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== Reply ==
 
I never intended to add it. Its crap, its useless. I was just testing the code from my console and then when I moved Monobook.js ==> Common.js I tested that too and I guess I was beaten by Firebug's '''''feature''''' of not clearing the console window after running the code.--'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 13:17, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Question on idle talks ==
 
 
Yeah, thanks for that message, even if it was just an automated one.
 
 
I actually do have a question.
 
 
How long does a 'talk correspondence' need to be idle for it ti be considered dead?
 
 
Thanks a whole bunch. I'm new--[[User:SummerBlossom|SummerBlossom]] ([[User talk:SummerBlossom|talk]]) 17:29, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Sandbox2 ==
 
Your opinion on [[Narutopedia:Sandbox2|this]] would be much appreciated! You can leave your opinion [[Narutopedia talk:Sandbox2|here]]. {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig1}} 12:26, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== red chakra ==
 
Yes, anime doesn't count. 2 out of 9 isn't much evidence.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:16, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Translation ==
 
Hey, would you be able to translate this: [[User:Teppei_Kiyoshi/Sandbox#Shinobi_Retsuden_3]]..? {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig1}} 12:46, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Not my intention T_T ==
 
 
I know the idea was born from a good place. I don't know if I'm just overreacting As usual but I have this overwhelming feeling that this is going to start another bad fad. One of the reasons why I was so against this is because I knew people would abuse it like this. This is why I prefer the times when we were expressly told that we weren't a democracy.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:29, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Since Obamacare.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:39, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Image Deletion ==
 
Need help, could you please delete the last image i uploaded? if you can. File name: Chen Taijutsu Mater.PNG. I made a mistake in the file's name, after the image deletion i will upload the image with its name corrected :). [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 15:09, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Mods Group ==
 
Hey, just wondering what your opinion is on [[Forum:Moderators Group|this forum topic]] proposal. I'm aware you already posted there, but wanted to see what your opinion is of the idea in general. :) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:18, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:The reasoning for this being proposed was because there was a time yesterday in which no sysop was online and there was continual edit / revert warring occuring that could not be dealt with (it was dealt with by Omnibender, 2 hours later), so having a small group of users who can quickly protect a page until a sysop comes online to stop the warring would make it easier to get the point across that the user should use the talkpage. I will wait until you have read the whole discussion to make the full opinion though :) --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:39, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== OmegaRasengan is being rude ==
 
I created a page of what is a new technique in the latest chapter, and he practically began yelling at me and wishing me to be banned.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 18:35, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
: This is all I am saying, I am not wishing you were banned, I stated I am surprised that your speculative article creations hasn't resulted a ban. What you are doing is speculating on something we do not know about yet. That is all. --[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 18:39, July 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== I need help, please ==
 
== I need help, please ==
   
I was trying to do some minor edits on the new technique that Obito [[Ten-Tails Chakra Weapons|recently used]], and they were reverted twice by two different users. I didn't made any intentional vandalism at all and all I did was adding a comma to the Third Hokage's name and removed the space to the end of the sentence with the first reference. Not only that, I even changed offense and defense to that of the British English's offence and defence. I don't know what to do without being blocked or have my edit reverted the third time. I need help, please. All I can do is wait. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:07, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
It can be seen in [[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ten-Tails_Chakra_Weapons?action=history]]. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:12, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I am very sorry. I meant that you can look at the history to see what happened to my edits. I was trying to give you a link to the past and recent edits and the link didn't take me to the right location. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:12, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I fixed the link now. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:13, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Thank you for understanding. But still, I wasn't adding any swear words, I didn't add any speculations, and I didn't even remove the whole text from the article. All I did was in honesty, was removing the unnecessary space between what the Third Hokage said and the reference of when he said it, and changed those the wording of offense and defense to match that of British English in that article, as well as according to what Hiruzen Sarutobi said by adding a comma. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:23, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Ya, I wondered about that, too. Gotta see what the raw says. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 14:12, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
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== So... ==
   
I literally don't get what's going on, TheUltimate3. When I did a minor edit without any real signs of vandalism, this happened [[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ten-Tails_Chakra_Weapons?diff=806550&oldid=806548]], yet when somebody else did it later, there was no reverting the words offence and defence to offense and defense at all. And when I made the next minor edit, this happened again [[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ten-Tails_Chakra_Weapons?diff=806717&oldid=806713]], and I wasn't even adding any false information. Seelentau and Ten Tailed Fox are responsible for this. I was intent on improving the article, not trying to vandalize it, destroy it or adding speculations on it. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:41, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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it seems we have a deeper problem in this wiki. I got that feeling ever since ShounenSuki left. He was the calm that held the wiki together and now that he's gone, every discussion turns ape-shit in a couple of hours. See Blaze Release. I asked Elve-kun to start a discussion and left for maybe four hours, and when I come back, there are multiple replies with accusations and bolded words, because we all know that someone who bolds his words is right and the others are wrong.
   
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Ever since I began here, I only wanted to clarify stuff, since I'm most likely the one with the most Naruto knowledge, at least in the German fandom. I never intended to give my personal views on happenings, every discussion I began was based on the manga and what he gives us. But most of the time, I'm confronted with ignorance and words like ''bias'' or so.
   
Okay. I fully understand now. I am calming down now. Thank you very much. I am just not too sure now if I can edit articles again without another one of those reverts. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:44, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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You remember when Suki did his New Years Fact Checking or whatever he called it? He explained some stuff and BAMM, everyone believed him, no big deal. Now I do the same, I explain to you guys what Enton, Senjutsu and all that stuff is, all based on the manga and everything, but in return I get "discussions" as seen on the Blaze Release talk page.
   
Okay. But would adding a summary would really help the other same users to prove I am simply fixing something?? <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:47, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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If it was a random fan who wanted to tell us otherwise because he simply doesn't know better, I'd do it like you and not start a big discussion. But I am by no means a random fan. As I said before, I'm Seelentau, I know my stuff and I believe you guys should trust me a little more, instead of telling me to go and beat dead dolphin horse babies or whatever.
   
Am I required to add a summary to my edit every time? I shouldn't take it personally in the first place, anyways. Reverts are bound to happen, anyway. I am trying to avoid being blocked in anyway possible. But I am still bound to make mistakes like everybody else. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 02:56, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Anyways, I think we need to find a new calm. I originally intended to be it, but apparently, I'm not suited for it. So what do we do? I don't wanna go the current road any longer (or at all). [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 22:00, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thank you very much for the advice. It was really helpful. Not only that, you also helped me with not having to be completely ashamed of my edits and take it too personally. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 03:01, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:If I may offer a solution: maybe Seelentau should replace Suki as a sysop in the capacity of the site's translator. Considering Suki has, in effect, left the wiki, I think this is the most appropriate thing to do. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::The problem we are having is that everyone's ego is damn too high and each one of us wants to be right and command the others. That's pretty much all. Having had a single figure (Suki) that we followed had its pros imo. Because now, we all want to be Suki. To put it into better words: People demand democracy and want to overthrow the monarch. But once the rule is in their hands, they start fighting against each other--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:04, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Thank you, both of you for your feedback. The decision on who should be a sysop is not mine to make. That lies with Dantman.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:18, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:Ya, thank you guys for replying. But I don't think making me a Sysop is going to solve the core problem. It doesn't make me more correct than the rest of you guys or in any way better than you. I think the only little thing most of you need to understand is that I in fact see things as black and white when it comes to the manga. At least 95% of everything I write during discussions is based on what the manga gave us. That's also why I don't understand anyone who calls me biased or a fanboy. It could very well be that I'm blinded by myself or so, but if you really want to prove me wrong, calling me something or saying I beat things isn't the right way. I mean, we all work towards the same goal and when I present you guys a possible mistake, it's your job to prove me wrong, not prove why you're right or call me anything. For example, I wrote on the Blaze Release discussion<br />
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"that it was cast from one eye, and then manipulated with the other. - but that is not the case. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)"<br />
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Now, I say that never happened and the easiest way to prove me wrong would simply be to give me a manga chapter where it happened. From there on, we could discuss further.<br />
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Another thing that comes to mind, again related to Blaze Release, is how some of you handle new information. Sasuke used no Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi, but a normal Kagutsuchi (whatever that is). Instead of accepting it as something new, you guys say that it's not something that needs to be discussed, for whatever reason. But I believe that it shines a new light on things. So what are we going to do? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:33, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:The main problem lies in the manga itself. I don't know how you guys see it, but in the past, everything that happened in the manga was easy to understand and document. Lately, there pops up so much stuff that's not explained completely or just gives flimsy hints towards things we already took for granted, so the the fans are forced to link the recent events with the "old knowledge" by themselves. Naturally, people interpret certain key elements different than others, and that's where discussions start. Just look at the ridiculously long debates about "Naruto having Magma Release", "Naruto and the 9 Tailed Beasts inside him in general", "Kaguya's eye being a Sharingan or not", "Blaze Release being something we did not think about before or so..." and it goes on and on '''and on'''.
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:Of course it's a problem how quickly discussions start to get out of control. I deliberately refrain myself from participating in any of these debates as I know that I will quickly lose any motivation to come to the wiki itself - just because it never goes forward. To spreak in fanboy-language, it reminds me of Izanagi.
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:Making somebody an admin for this reason is again not legit enough for me, but that's not for me to decide either. For future discussions with seemingly no end: A good action in my eyes is to, for once, not continue until every participant hates each other even more while there's still no consensus reached, but instead agree on a way to write down the discussed subject in a way everybody can agree on. If that's not the case, write down both versions as possible probabilities. I know this wiki does not include speculation, but a conclusion based on the own argumentation is also speculation in its own way. I mean, nobody can't really say what's going on in Kishimoto's head, right?
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:The argument "I can't go back on what I said as I am 100% sure it's right" is also no warranty for a victory in the discussion. The opposing participants think so just as well. What gives anybody the right to think that his or her thoughts are superior to others? [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 10:36, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::'''@Seelentau:''' I don't recall anybody has called ''you'' a fanboy. The term get's thrown at everyone else though. That being said, in response to "that it was cast from one eye, and then manipulated with the other. - but that is not the case" comment, when we first see the Kagutsuchi, in chapter 464 states that he Sasuke casts the Amaterasu with his left eye, then manipulates it with the right, which we see in what basically amounts to slow motion in this current chapter. Unless of course you mean to tell me that what has been in the chapter for damn near four years is wrong then by the Old, this wiki we have much much bigger problems. And to a "normal" Kagutsuchi because it dropped the prefix, I will point out to [[Sage Art: Lava Release Rasenshuriken|this technique]] which I was told over and over ''had'' to have Wind Release, despite not having it as a suffix.
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::So what are we going to do? At this point, I want to us to stop assuming everything we see is new unless it is actually explained as being new. We have a wealth of information that Kishimoto has already provided us, if he isn't explaining anything now, then we '''''must''''' assume, and I know you really really hate using that word, that it is because we should already know it. But I've stated this 100 times before and naturally that blanket decision is not mine alone to make, but you know that.
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::'''@Norleon:''' Izanami. But I see your point. That would be the best course of action, it opens itself up to other issues. For example, picking at the "Naruto and the tailed beasts" thing, that got stupid when it was brought up that because Minato also had a talking tailed beast him in, that that made him a jinchuriki, but when Naruto had 9 of basically the same thing, he wasn't. Then it spiraled into stupid from there. Adjusting it to be more ambiguous could work, but then by that same token it would have to be adjusted to be just as ambiguous for Minato, and so on. And that doesn't get into the realm of infoboxes, categories, ect. The idea is sound and damn may even work. But such ambiguity would have ripples at everything.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:41, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I'm all for us stating more possibilities in the articles. Why are we so afraid of doing things such as: "Note: Hagoromo proclaimed that his mother has power of the Sharingan, while an identical eye of Madara's was called a Rinnegan. Sasuke's eye which is similar is also a Rinnegan. Currently it's unknown which is true" etc.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:46, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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::::'''@TU:''' I don't know if I was called it directly, but I was called it indirectly, I think. But that doesn't bother me.
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::::Regarding the Blaze Release thing, you're right (as far as I remember the Japanese text). So if he uses his right eye to '''only''' manipulate it, then how do you explain the instances where he has only his right eye opened? The fight against Obito comes to mind. Also, the Lava Rasen Shuriken itself is ambiguous, I or instance say it's not Wind Release. So I wouldn't count it as an example. (See? That's what discussions are. Not the horse beating thing.)
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::::How does one explain something to be new? Isn't it new if it simply has never happened before? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:20, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Flames created off panel or "quick" (thus still off panel). We don't always see Naruto creating the necessary Wind Release: Rasengan or see him go through the motions of producing shadow clones, but we know he's doing that. But I do not plan to go through the Blaze Release confusion in my talk page. Consider it me losing if that'll make you feel better.
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:::::But what can be considered new has to actually ''be'' new. Small variation of we already know, isn't something totally world breaking new. If it was, damn near more than half of just about everything we see could be labeled a new technique, new trait, new anything, simply because it wasn't 1:1 of what we have seen before. As I stated before, regrettably using the Blaze Release I just said I didn't want to use again, we know his right eye manipulates the flames while his left creates it. What we don't need is two dedicated panels every time Sasuke points black fire arrows at something. Just as we don't need something of 4 panels for Naruto preparing a Rasenshuriken, parts of techniques are cut out to save time, because Kishimoto expects us to know what's happening because he already showed us it before. But something is new when it is actually something that has ''never'' happened before. If something happens and we are literally unable to go "Ok in the past, X happened so Y", taking into account the very first use of something, subsequent usage and the like, then that is something new. What we saw with Sasuke wasn't new because we know that is how it has always worked, we just have to use the dreaded common sense to understand that every piece of it is likely not going to be drawn down because it was essentially been a waste.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:47, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
It's just that if I try to justify something regarding my actions, people could easily conceive it as a guilty conscience or assume or speculate as something else. If I try to do anything less than what is accepted, I would be told to not take it personally, calm down, not worry about it, or something else and be criticized for almost anything I have done. It's like I have to pick and use the best approach every single time in any Wiki for the first time so I get or receive none of that or at least minimize it or at best even prevent that from ever happening once or again. I cannot change the past so easily and I can only affect the present and the future. There is only so much I can take as a single person. <span style="border-left:1px solid red; border-top:1px solid red; border-right:1px solid red; border-bottom:1px solid red;">[[User:Dekoshu|Dekoshu]] [[User talk:Dekoshu|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Dekoshu|contrib]]</span> 04:57, July 18, 2013 (UTC)
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== weird ==
   
== Skype ==
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I could have sword that I did put your comment back. Although those beers may have something to do with it--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:43, June 28, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, wanted to ask if you've got Skype. If not, it isn't a major issue. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 14:07, August 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Chapter 643 scan ==
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== Re: Intervention ==
Hey Ultimate3, I found a Chinese scan of the next chapter. But I doubt if it's real or not. check it please [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 12:03, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I'm the one who has to apologize, sorry if that bothers you and I won't do it again. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 15:12, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Wood Release ==
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The irony of that is astonishing since you guys replaced a much higher quality image with the current one simply because it was "too close up". --[[User:M4ND0N|Mandon]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 22:46, July 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
Can you please weigh in [[Talk:Wood Release: Flowering Tree|here]]? I know the discussion is long, but skim through it if you can; there are some important points. At this point, we just need some other opinions as the same users keep tossing it back and forth and, so far, everyone has their own opinions of what's going on. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:15, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
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== Madara Uchiha editing ==
   
: We might want to wait on some of these issues. Mangastream released a statement and said that these early chapter translations are highly unreliable, because they were leaked from a Chinese company who, like Viz, gets the chapters early, and then the scanalators made a hasty, Chinese to Japanese to English translation. Mangastream itself is waiting until tomorrow to release the chapters. It might be wise to wait for the RAWs, or, at the very least, a better translation, to clear the mess up. What say you? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 12:07, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Look, I am not saying that I am a die-hard fan of Madara, I am just saying that sections like his Sharingan should have more specifics. A lot of cutting out took place after I spent several weeks editing it like I did other pages. I have no problem with simplifying the sections. It's just when you put a lot of work into something, you feel bad when basically it isn't considered good enough and plain cut off. I am not trying to start an edit war I am just speaking my mind.Steveo920, 18:22, July 7, 2014
   
== ...I put Hashirama... ==
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Sorry if my writing style comes off as an obsessed fan, but I am not. Personally, I hate narcissists. Also, I am not asking you to restore or give the okay for me to restore my edits. I also have been simplifying sections all over the site. I am just saying you didn't have to announce to all readers that I'm "waving my dick to Madara". Steveo920, 19;34, July 7, 2014
   
...was as fast as Tobirama ''without'' the Thunder God Technique. Not that he was faster. He was only faster than the Tailed Beast Ball, which I noted.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 19:33, August 26, 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, I am open to constructive criticism. I was just giving my two cents to the subject on editing. I you think there was something wrong with my editing, that's fine. I'm all for making this site seem professional, just keep it civil and not embarrassing should others read it. Steveo920, 20:38, July 7, 2014
   
== Re: 327/328 ==
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== Request ==
Unless I'm mistaken, this isn't the first instance of where two episodes in a row referred to the same character and in both, the image used in the infobox was just the one from the previous episode. I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember such a thing happening before. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 13:19, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi. May I ask you to look at [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Wood_Release:_Several_Thousand_Hands this talkpage]? It's about a missing derived jutsu and nobody answered until now. If you don't agree with what I wrote, please tell me where I'm wrong. Thanks in advance! [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 18:05, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

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Ya, I wondered about that, too. Gotta see what the raw says. Seelentau 愛 14:12, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

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it seems we have a deeper problem in this wiki. I got that feeling ever since ShounenSuki left. He was the calm that held the wiki together and now that he's gone, every discussion turns ape-shit in a couple of hours. See Blaze Release. I asked Elve-kun to start a discussion and left for maybe four hours, and when I come back, there are multiple replies with accusations and bolded words, because we all know that someone who bolds his words is right and the others are wrong.

Ever since I began here, I only wanted to clarify stuff, since I'm most likely the one with the most Naruto knowledge, at least in the German fandom. I never intended to give my personal views on happenings, every discussion I began was based on the manga and what he gives us. But most of the time, I'm confronted with ignorance and words like bias or so.

You remember when Suki did his New Years Fact Checking or whatever he called it? He explained some stuff and BAMM, everyone believed him, no big deal. Now I do the same, I explain to you guys what Enton, Senjutsu and all that stuff is, all based on the manga and everything, but in return I get "discussions" as seen on the Blaze Release talk page.

If it was a random fan who wanted to tell us otherwise because he simply doesn't know better, I'd do it like you and not start a big discussion. But I am by no means a random fan. As I said before, I'm Seelentau, I know my stuff and I believe you guys should trust me a little more, instead of telling me to go and beat dead dolphin horse babies or whatever.

Anyways, I think we need to find a new calm. I originally intended to be it, but apparently, I'm not suited for it. So what do we do? I don't wanna go the current road any longer (or at all). • Seelentau 愛 22:00, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

If I may offer a solution: maybe Seelentau should replace Suki as a sysop in the capacity of the site's translator. Considering Suki has, in effect, left the wiki, I think this is the most appropriate thing to do. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 22:02, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
The problem we are having is that everyone's ego is damn too high and each one of us wants to be right and command the others. That's pretty much all. Having had a single figure (Suki) that we followed had its pros imo. Because now, we all want to be Suki. To put it into better words: People demand democracy and want to overthrow the monarch. But once the rule is in their hands, they start fighting against each other--Elveonora (talk) 23:04, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, both of you for your feedback. The decision on who should be a sysop is not mine to make. That lies with Dantman.--TheUltimate3
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(talk) 23:18, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Ya, thank you guys for replying. But I don't think making me a Sysop is going to solve the core problem. It doesn't make me more correct than the rest of you guys or in any way better than you. I think the only little thing most of you need to understand is that I in fact see things as black and white when it comes to the manga. At least 95% of everything I write during discussions is based on what the manga gave us. That's also why I don't understand anyone who calls me biased or a fanboy. It could very well be that I'm blinded by myself or so, but if you really want to prove me wrong, calling me something or saying I beat things isn't the right way. I mean, we all work towards the same goal and when I present you guys a possible mistake, it's your job to prove me wrong, not prove why you're right or call me anything. For example, I wrote on the Blaze Release discussion

"that it was cast from one eye, and then manipulated with the other. - but that is not the case. • Seelentau 愛 議 21:38, June 25, 2014 (UTC)"
Now, I say that never happened and the easiest way to prove me wrong would simply be to give me a manga chapter where it happened. From there on, we could discuss further.
Another thing that comes to mind, again related to Blaze Release, is how some of you handle new information. Sasuke used no Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi, but a normal Kagutsuchi (whatever that is). Instead of accepting it as something new, you guys say that it's not something that needs to be discussed, for whatever reason. But I believe that it shines a new light on things. So what are we going to do? • Seelentau 愛 09:33, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

The main problem lies in the manga itself. I don't know how you guys see it, but in the past, everything that happened in the manga was easy to understand and document. Lately, there pops up so much stuff that's not explained completely or just gives flimsy hints towards things we already took for granted, so the the fans are forced to link the recent events with the "old knowledge" by themselves. Naturally, people interpret certain key elements different than others, and that's where discussions start. Just look at the ridiculously long debates about "Naruto having Magma Release", "Naruto and the 9 Tailed Beasts inside him in general", "Kaguya's eye being a Sharingan or not", "Blaze Release being something we did not think about before or so..." and it goes on and on and on.
Of course it's a problem how quickly discussions start to get out of control. I deliberately refrain myself from participating in any of these debates as I know that I will quickly lose any motivation to come to the wiki itself - just because it never goes forward. To spreak in fanboy-language, it reminds me of Izanagi.
Making somebody an admin for this reason is again not legit enough for me, but that's not for me to decide either. For future discussions with seemingly no end: A good action in my eyes is to, for once, not continue until every participant hates each other even more while there's still no consensus reached, but instead agree on a way to write down the discussed subject in a way everybody can agree on. If that's not the case, write down both versions as possible probabilities. I know this wiki does not include speculation, but a conclusion based on the own argumentation is also speculation in its own way. I mean, nobody can't really say what's going on in Kishimoto's head, right?
The argument "I can't go back on what I said as I am 100% sure it's right" is also no warranty for a victory in the discussion. The opposing participants think so just as well. What gives anybody the right to think that his or her thoughts are superior to others? Norleon (talk) 10:36, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
@Seelentau: I don't recall anybody has called you a fanboy. The term get's thrown at everyone else though. That being said, in response to "that it was cast from one eye, and then manipulated with the other. - but that is not the case" comment, when we first see the Kagutsuchi, in chapter 464 states that he Sasuke casts the Amaterasu with his left eye, then manipulates it with the right, which we see in what basically amounts to slow motion in this current chapter. Unless of course you mean to tell me that what has been in the chapter for damn near four years is wrong then by the Old, this wiki we have much much bigger problems. And to a "normal" Kagutsuchi because it dropped the prefix, I will point out to this technique which I was told over and over had to have Wind Release, despite not having it as a suffix.
So what are we going to do? At this point, I want to us to stop assuming everything we see is new unless it is actually explained as being new. We have a wealth of information that Kishimoto has already provided us, if he isn't explaining anything now, then we must assume, and I know you really really hate using that word, that it is because we should already know it. But I've stated this 100 times before and naturally that blanket decision is not mine alone to make, but you know that.
@Norleon: Izanami. But I see your point. That would be the best course of action, it opens itself up to other issues. For example, picking at the "Naruto and the tailed beasts" thing, that got stupid when it was brought up that because Minato also had a talking tailed beast him in, that that made him a jinchuriki, but when Naruto had 9 of basically the same thing, he wasn't. Then it spiraled into stupid from there. Adjusting it to be more ambiguous could work, but then by that same token it would have to be adjusted to be just as ambiguous for Minato, and so on. And that doesn't get into the realm of infoboxes, categories, ect. The idea is sound and damn may even work. But such ambiguity would have ripples at everything.--TheUltimate3
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(talk) 11:41, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
I'm all for us stating more possibilities in the articles. Why are we so afraid of doing things such as: "Note: Hagoromo proclaimed that his mother has power of the Sharingan, while an identical eye of Madara's was called a Rinnegan. Sasuke's eye which is similar is also a Rinnegan. Currently it's unknown which is true" etc.--Elveonora (talk) 11:46, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
@TU: I don't know if I was called it directly, but I was called it indirectly, I think. But that doesn't bother me.
Regarding the Blaze Release thing, you're right (as far as I remember the Japanese text). So if he uses his right eye to only manipulate it, then how do you explain the instances where he has only his right eye opened? The fight against Obito comes to mind. Also, the Lava Rasen Shuriken itself is ambiguous, I or instance say it's not Wind Release. So I wouldn't count it as an example. (See? That's what discussions are. Not the horse beating thing.)
How does one explain something to be new? Isn't it new if it simply has never happened before? • Seelentau 愛 13:20, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Flames created off panel or "quick" (thus still off panel). We don't always see Naruto creating the necessary Wind Release: Rasengan or see him go through the motions of producing shadow clones, but we know he's doing that. But I do not plan to go through the Blaze Release confusion in my talk page. Consider it me losing if that'll make you feel better.
But what can be considered new has to actually be new. Small variation of we already know, isn't something totally world breaking new. If it was, damn near more than half of just about everything we see could be labeled a new technique, new trait, new anything, simply because it wasn't 1:1 of what we have seen before. As I stated before, regrettably using the Blaze Release I just said I didn't want to use again, we know his right eye manipulates the flames while his left creates it. What we don't need is two dedicated panels every time Sasuke points black fire arrows at something. Just as we don't need something of 4 panels for Naruto preparing a Rasenshuriken, parts of techniques are cut out to save time, because Kishimoto expects us to know what's happening because he already showed us it before. But something is new when it is actually something that has never happened before. If something happens and we are literally unable to go "Ok in the past, X happened so Y", taking into account the very first use of something, subsequent usage and the like, then that is something new. What we saw with Sasuke wasn't new because we know that is how it has always worked, we just have to use the dreaded common sense to understand that every piece of it is likely not going to be drawn down because it was essentially been a waste.--TheUltimate3
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(talk) 13:47, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

weird Edit

I could have sword that I did put your comment back. Although those beers may have something to do with it--Elveonora (talk) 22:43, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Intervention Edit

The irony of that is astonishing since you guys replaced a much higher quality image with the current one simply because it was "too close up". --Mandon (talk) 22:46, July 5, 2014 (UTC)

Madara Uchiha editing Edit

Look, I am not saying that I am a die-hard fan of Madara, I am just saying that sections like his Sharingan should have more specifics. A lot of cutting out took place after I spent several weeks editing it like I did other pages. I have no problem with simplifying the sections. It's just when you put a lot of work into something, you feel bad when basically it isn't considered good enough and plain cut off. I am not trying to start an edit war I am just speaking my mind.Steveo920, 18:22, July 7, 2014

Sorry if my writing style comes off as an obsessed fan, but I am not. Personally, I hate narcissists. Also, I am not asking you to restore or give the okay for me to restore my edits. I also have been simplifying sections all over the site. I am just saying you didn't have to announce to all readers that I'm "waving my dick to Madara". Steveo920, 19;34, July 7, 2014

Hey, I am open to constructive criticism. I was just giving my two cents to the subject on editing. I you think there was something wrong with my editing, that's fine. I'm all for making this site seem professional, just keep it civil and not embarrassing should others read it. Steveo920, 20:38, July 7, 2014

Request Edit

Hi. May I ask you to look at this talkpage? It's about a missing derived jutsu and nobody answered until now. If you don't agree with what I wrote, please tell me where I'm wrong. Thanks in advance! Norleon (talk) 18:05, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

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