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Tabs and drop downs? Do you mean like the Zetsu article? And can you please provide me some examples of "troublesome articles" as you mentioned? As for long articles: While I do understand that popular characters such as Naruto, Sasuke, and the like are demanded to have the most detail, pages such as these have rather slow loading times as compared to other articles. You are correct that unfortunately, users do feel the need to further stuff already long articles with pictures and such. --WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 00:38, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'm optimistic that Kakashi and Sasuke can get under 100k. Which is still long, I guess, but a dramatic improvement. Sasuke's is currently 155K, yet about 45k of that is just the summary of events of chapters 580-700. Just the summary. As in, not counting whatever Personality and Abilities also happens in that time frame. Hell, his second-to-last quote is about 1.5k on its own. You take a generous axe to these two things and Sasuke's article becomes about the same size as Sakura's currently is.
Naruto's is a problem, though. Always will be. But I disagree with tabs or whatever else on principle. ~SnapperTo 01:00, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Even if the scrolling function were implemented, users could still edit it out, whether intentionally or unintentionally, just to place further additions to the long pages. An issue indeed. I do feel that edits like this, while in good-faith, further add more to the problem. It may be a minor edit, but let us say a thousand more users do those "minor edits" and that's part of what makes articles so long. A solution for this may indeed be... difficult to find, whether it be tabs, scrolling, taking out pictures, etc. An attempt to shorten Naruto's article was to take out the anime only arcs altogether as well, though that has not been too effective over the long-term...
--WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 01:04, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
First things first the content needs to be compressed, if I had my way. Naruto vs Sasuke's last fight was 4 paragraphs, and goes on to detail just about every move the two of them did. The rest of the article is just as stupid and this is repeated on just about every character's articles. None of that is needed. If we can do that, and make sure that actually sticks however would be a great benefit.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 01:17, January 13, 2015 (UTC)
I wholeheartedly agree. Naruto and Sasuke's second battle at the Valley of the End is the reason why I brought up this issue. For instance, in both of Naruto and Sasuke's articles, and I say this due to lack of better phraseology, they have been stuffed with every move they made in that fight and users are adding way too much stuff on top of that. Those "summaries" essentially cover every muscular movement Naruto and Sasuke seem to make towards each other. Also, users tend to have a fixation for the colored manga images and proceed to insert too many of them within articles describing Naruto and Sasuke's final fight. It is all quite unnecessary from my standpoint, and has to be shortened in some manner as a first step. Though, as SnapperTwo notified me on my talkpage, removing such images will only cause users to insert them back into the article. Another step taken was shortening introductions in various articles due to them having too much content to fulfill the purpose of them being simple summaries, though we have had to deal with users wanting to unnecessarily revise our contributions i.e., users adding more descriptions (and possibly spoiler content), links in the introductions, and so on. --WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 01:38, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

Continuing this conversation, I have noticed that in Naruto and Sasuke's articles, summaries that potentially lead to anime-only arcs have been removed. For instance, this in Naruto's article and this in Sasuke's (which is understandable). To further thin articles like these (such as Kakashi's, Sakura's, etc), would it not be valid to remove any paragraphs that sequentially start out with "In the anime, this happened" and attempt to leave links to them (if possible) to keep the consistency and further thin these articles? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 16:46, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

^Never mind that, TheUltimateThree. We will find other ways to shorten long pages. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 00:12, January 17, 2015 (UTC)


Well then...

Those big bold letters on your user pages has me like... ಠ_ಠ Gotten quite tired of chat, have you not? And is there a User Banhammer template, or you just created that red link to annoy you-know-who? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 21:32, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars

Hey, I saw you like Star Wars' version of canon, and I gotta ask you - what do you think about what happened to the EU on April 25, 2014? Do you hate it or like it (please say you hate it)? Gemnist (talk) 00:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist

THANK YOU!!! My optimistic guess is though: this is just a scam meant to avoid any plot details on the sequel trilogy, and soon everything that happened pre-Episode VI will be considered - by 2019 - and then the "Legends" covers will become collectible-level. All in a day's work to maintain a brand name. I was really hoping, though, that they're all one single universe. Gemnist (talk) 04:26, January 20, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist
Not sure if I explained myself well. I meant everything BEFORE Return of the Jedi, not after. After, we'll have to wait and see - unfortunately. Gemnist (talk) 16:39, January 20, 2015 (UTC)Gemnist

Scuffle: SuperSajuuk

Not to be rude, but I don't think you've really read it in context. And no, as a forum operator, it is my duty to moderate the forums, I am not going to just ignore Seelentau or I will be accused of "not doing my job". If he wants me to stop getting on my case, he does not need to resort to flames and abusive behaviour. If you hadn't noticed, I have not flamed him, swore at him, nor even used "Ad Hominem" towards him, yet somehow I'm in the wrong for being friendly and polite?

I would advise you contact other sysops and ask them to assess the situation, it feels incredibly biased in favour of letting Tau use his sysop flag as a way to get whatever he wants or be abusive to users for no reason. So Tau saying things like "I'm a failure of a moderator" and "I'm bitter for him being sysop" is not trolling behaviour? Good to know, I'll just be forwarding all of this to Wikia Staff as it seems like it's painfully obvious Dantman is too busy to care or notice his sysops going around contravening TOU: unlike what you claim, the TOU gets to override the wiki's local policies at any time, so they'll be agreeing with me as well on this matter. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 14:33, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I have spoken to users on Central Wiki, including VSTF, who agree fully with me that Tau's behaviour is abusive. Telling Tau he can continue this not only damages the wiki's reputation, but is 100% contravening Wikia TOU, which you seem to not care for. Do you want to lose your rights as well for encouraging inappropriate and abusive behaviour? Your messages to me and Tau are being included in evidence which I am sending to Wikia for their involvement in this situation, as it seems you cannot keep yourself from encouraging everyone else to be as crass and as abusive as they want to me. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:20, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
The email hasn't been sent yet, I'm working on gathering evidence. I'll be including evidence of other sysops encouraging the behaviour in said email, so your message to Tau will be included. Even when I send it, I won't be making any screen captures of private conversations with Wikia Staff to the public. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:27, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
And no, you won't start removing my posts either. So you can desist that behaviour as well. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:30, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
You do not need to blank the replies. You can copy/paste from the source to a Notepad document and leave the replies as they should be. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:33, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
He did not break forum policy in any way. Saying just "owned" is not making a swipe at anyone, but writing messages like Seelentau did is making a clear swipe at someone and is a personal attack. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:42, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

Scuffle: Seelentau

Sorry if all this means any extra work for you. Wasn't my intention. But no, I'm not gonna change my ways. SuperSajuuk is a danger to this wiki and should be dealt with accordingly. It's simply not right that a normal user has all rights a sysop has, even though he was deemed unfit to be a sysop. I don't care about my own rank, as I said, but since you have way more experience in this, you should talk to Dantman. I tried and he didn't respond, so yeah. Please do something. • Seelentau 愛 17:11, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

I doubt that he'll ever change his behaviour as long as he isn't a sysop himself. And only the devil knows what he'll do then. • Seelentau 愛 17:20, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

six paths sage mode

hey mate...a user named kuroiraikou keeps changine the six paths sage mode article...& the small one in the six paths sage tech...wanted to talk him out of doing it but then thought U can be more effective... --DARK ZERO--talk 09:58, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

re: moval

Meh. I do not really feel the need to ask and wait, wait, wait for it to work. I will just be doing it manually in the meantime until I eventually get tired, and probably then I will ask for a bot.
-- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:34, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

RE: Character Pages

Oh ok I understand it makes since now. Thanks for the help. AllstarUchiha (talk) 01:11, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

tailed beast genders

Question: why did you remove them?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 23:00, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

It didn't say they don't, either. This was discussed on the talkpage. Gyuki is a bull for example and bulls are male.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 23:39, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Tenseigan: Scattering Truth-Seeking Balls

Why did you revert the rename? Unless you can think of a name that includes Tenseigan and Truth-Seeking Ball AND that hints that there are multiple of those balls, rename appropriately. Not to be angry or anything, but you are reverting renames for no apparent reason.--Omojuze (talk) 13:03, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Plus, even though the name is longer, it perfectly captures what is happening in the technique. Unlike the previous name, an that what unnamed techniques should do.--Omojuze (talk) 13:04, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
He did in fact used black spheres. It shows that you haven't seen the movie yet. He even used 'em like a shield, similarly to Obito. In his normal spheres, he didn't use the truth-seeking balls.--Omojuze (talk) 14:42, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
a) I am not the one who created the page. b) The movie is already in the theaters, so there is a way to watch it without piracy. c) Nobody suggested you looking yourself. d) I am not accusing you of anything >.<--Omojuze (talk) 15:06, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
Question: Then WHY do edits on material when you have no idea what happened/is happening?--Omojuze (talk) 15:21, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
I saw that. There is no way I could've known the difference, 'cause, as Suzaku said, they look exactly the same. Well, the original creator provided proof in the form of a link to a Youtube video where the entire movie is shown in 4 parts, so...--Omojuze (talk) 15:30, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
does Tenseigan: Scattering Chakra Rosary|this please 'ya now?--Omojuze (talk) 16:04, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Impressive

Congratulations. You are the sole user that has received at least 20 kudos on one comment. I guess people really like you and your opinions. (Not much of an honor, I know, but it was something I just happened to notice.) -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 02:48, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Congrats TU3, that is indeed something. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:51, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Location/Village infoboxes

Hey I just started a discussion of a possibility to integrate infoboxes for locations and or villages and I was wondering what you think of it. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 20:43, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

Founder of Narutopedia

Thanks Sasuke79 (talk) 17:53, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

KKM

Okay, so you just classified the Byakugan as a KKM due to Kaguya only being listed as a KKM user, making all of Kaguya's techniques KKM. Since Hagoromo is the same case as his mother, only being listed as a KKM and not a KKG user and thereby his Rinnegan is a KKM too, wouldn't that mean his TSB (and the rest of his techniques) are KKM as well? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 21:58, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Well, as I said, it only listed Hagoromo as a KKM user and not a KKG user. And you're right, we don't have bloody clue what it is. But yeah, doesn't him being listed as only a KKM user mean anything? I think it does mean that all of his techniques are KKM, being listed as one and all... -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 22:09, February 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thread:162690

Considering this comment you made, may I have your opinion in this thread?
-- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:23, February 10, 2015 (UTC)

Tenseigan (Energy Vessel)

TheUltimateThree, it was referred to as the Tenseigan as well in the movie, not the "Energy Vessel." And "Tenseigan (Energy Vessel)" is distinguishable enough. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 23:57, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Naruto's Six Paths Sage Mode

I really don't want to be involved in that guy's antics. What do you want to know? The databook article doesn't mention the tailed beasts at all, it just says that it's a gift from the Rikudo Sennin. Also, he was in that mode when he kicked the Gudodama, not in normal Sage Mode or in Kurama Mode, if that's of importance. • Seelentau 愛 15:05, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Here. And I agree with both of you, I don't even want to dignify that guy's statements with a response.
-- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 15:34, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
Not true. • Seelentau 愛 16:52, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
I have the physical copy and a high quality digital copy, there's no blurry text for me. So yeah, the other one. :D • Seelentau 愛 18:44, February 12, 2015 (UTC)
I did, but I have no idea where else it is mentioned (or where that information came from). • Seelentau 愛 18:57, February 12, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox Pictures

Hi I have another question about character pages. Would it be alright if the info boxes had how they looked in The Last? Because every character page has how they look like in Part 1, Part 2, and rhe Epilogue, but I think a pic of how they looked in The Last should be added because all of them have a different appearance. AllstarUchiha (talk) 23:38, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

WoW

As a fellow Azerothian, I'd like to know your opinion on the overall state of the game as it is now. Do you think of quitting? Or do you enjoy WoD? And how would you rank all the expansions, from best to worst? My ranking goes:

  1. Wrath of The Lich King (The golden age, highest number of subscribers. Northrend is an environmentally stunning continent that has the best lore&story yet with fitting soundtrack accompanying it all, dungeons&raids well designed.)
  2. Mists of Pandaria ("WoW 2.0" essentially, worked out more or less, everything except Pandas was great about it ironically.)
  3. Cataslysm (Epic start, anticlimactic ending expansion. Let's level 10 alts before the novelty wears off.)
  4. The Burning Crusade (There's a group which says TBC > WOTLK, but in my opinion it was a "Let's patch what was wrong with Vanilla and make iconic characters from Warcraft III into villains for no apparent reasons besides the cool factor" expansion.)
  5. Warlords of Draenor (The unfulfilled promises/false marketing expansion.)
  6. Vanilla.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 22:43, February 21, 2015 (UTC)

It's cool, I hope it gets better. And well, that's the thing. The Garrison was great at first but has become a mandatory chore and it killed professions. Who needs herbalism? Everyone has a garden. Who needs mining? Everyone has a mine. Hell primary professions too from followers. Not to mention Enchanting and Jewelcrafting have been greatly reduced to fewer slots and "perks" of Blacksmithing, Tailoring and so on are gone too. Also the only thing gold is for now are Savage Blood and mounts.

Since daily quest hubs have been removed, reputations are a grind... kill 10 000 mobs to get exalted, fun. And that's the thing - you are in the world until you hit 100, but once you do, there's no reasons. Hidden treasures and rares drop equipment inferior to heroic dungeons, raids, invasions and follower missions. So while the experience from 90 to 100 was great, one of the best, there's simply not much to do at 100. The endgame consists of garrison chores, 2 raids. For those who do PvP queuing for Ashran. For those who care about achievements, grinding for reputations with no rewards besides a follower. And optionally pet battles for those who like Pokemon.

Hopefully 6.2 gives me a reason to come back. I had much more fun and more things to do in MoP. And I'm glad you agree about WotLK, I miss it T_T For WoD, even though it has the lore, the actual stories are half-assed. It was obviously rushed so they could launch it in November. What they did with Orgrim has no excuse ._.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 10:36, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

They might as well remove the professions completely at this point, the very few enchants and gems make little difference. Also removing mandatory stats (Hit, Expertise and so on) while adding the new stats makes the removal of Reforging bizarre, it would have been more usable than ever now. For hubs, the only differences between them and no daily hubs is that the former gives you x reason to kill y mobs in location z, while in WoD you aren't told killing which mobs and where gives you reputation for which faction and since there's no quest telling you to do so, there's less volition to partake in such an activity. So the removal of dailies hasn't solved anything only worsened it.

Also I don't get why people hated dailies. Well, some of them I do, but dailies like Cataclysm's Molten Front or Mists of Pandaria's Landfall were superb, some of the best in WoW. The way I see it:

  1. People complain that they "must" do x
  2. Blizzard removes x
  3. People suddenly complain that Blizzard removed the x and that there's nothing to do now

For the rest, don't tell me that by "the best new character of the expac" you mean Joan of Argus.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:18, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Now that you talk Draenei and Velen, it was the dumbest idea ever to make him do something in WoD and eventually sacrifice himself. But guess what, it doesn't freaking count, cause it wasn't our Velen, who still does shit but sits in Exodar, but AU past Velen lol. There was really no reason to make another one and let him die if Blizzard ain't gonna do a thing with our Velen, so they might have as well killed him.

And I don't see anything special about Yrel. The best of her character so far has been the hentai pic of her getting pounded by "daddy Blackhand" Originally, she was supposed to be Velen's niece and Maraad's love interest, but Feminists were complaining that "a woman doesn't need no man" so Blizzard scrapped her and Maraad having been in love and possibly her being Velen's niece as well. I hope not though, since it's been suggested that Kil'jaeden is Velen's brother, if that's true, then that would make Yrel Kil'jaeden's daugher, THAT would be some interesting plot development and twist. I hope they go that route.

And I agree. It's one thing listening to your fans, but another to dance according to a minority's command. Blizzard only listens to the loudest, never content always complaining group of nerds.

  • Fat Alliance neckbeard: "Warlords of Draenor is just another Orc Expansion, change that else I'm cancelling my sub!"
  1. "Blizzard reworks Gorground, removes Orgrim Doomhammer's storyline and character development, reduces him to a minute cameo in Talador and shits on his head"
  2. Fat alliance nerd: "Hahaha, there ya go Horde faggets"
  3. Blizzard: "See? We listen to our fans!"
  • But the dumbest one ever was:
  1. "Waa waa waaa, I can play WoW only at night when I can't see the environment and mobs, I'm also an adult who's afraid of the dark, so do something Blizz or else I will crap my underwear and unsubscribe"
  2. Meeting at Blizzard: "We are rapidly losing subs, what do we do? We must act quickly!"
  3. An employee: "(sarcastic remark) I know, lets listen to the crybabies and remove the day/night time cycle, haha..."
  4. Derpy Colleagues: "(taken seriously) Brilliant! We are going to be richer than ever, muhahahaha!"
  • Some months later, nerds cry that the day/night cycle was removed and demand its comeback, threatening with cancellation of their subscription otherwise:
  1. Blizzard responds: "To satisfy both parties, we are bringing nights but only in 1/4 of Azeroth's zones and in 2 Draenor zones!"

--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 15:22, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

I wonder what's up with the forehead thingy he gave her tho. Well, this time around, Varian stayed back on our Azeroth and "you" are essentially supposed to be the hero/commander whoever. The Alliance has more heroes and otherwise than just Varian, though. Tirion Fordring was heavily featured in WotLK, Thrall or rather "Go'el" was heavily featured in Cata (oh wait, he is Horde, or is he?) and hey, in MoP Varian's son Anduin had more appearances than his father, so as you can see, it's not all just about Varian ; D

And dunno, love and revenge for the loss of it are strong motivations, rather than just: "I'm a mere priestess with no combat experience, that can become a top-class Paladin in just a few days with no explanation whatsoever, because I believe in myself." Not to mention I think Maraad deserved better, should have at least gotten some pussy, but nope, he went back into the past from which he had escaped only to get killed by an orc. His should have been a more of a redemption story, because if you have seen Lords of War last episode, he kinda had messed up and lived with regret. Not sure if dying to protect Yrel did him justice, but if they had been in love, maybe it would have more.

And what do you mean by Tyrande? Malfurion was sleeping in the Emerald Dream for thousands of years, she did just fine all that time by herself and was especially badass in Warcraft III. She is no way dependent on him.

Gorground was originally supposed to heavily feature Orgrim Doomhammer and depict his transformation from a bad guy into a good one, but Alliance alpha/beta testers complained about WoD "featuring too many orcs" (duh, it's Draenor biatch) so Gorground got reworked into its current form, plants vs fungi, hence the mess that's Orgrim's short appearance in Talador, after the cut storyline they simply put him there for the sake of it I guess.

And I disagree about MoP being Horde focused. There were Varian and Anduin, LOTS of Jaina as well. Not to mention if freaking escalated with the Alliance raiding Orgrimmar.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 17:05, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

We may continue once I return from my extended walk that I gotta take so I don't become a pig after eating all that meat and candies.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 19:21, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, so my extended walk has run short somewhat, cause I'm lazy. So: Correction, when this is all over, she will be the full on leader of the AU past Draenei, meaning she will be completely irrelevant in the next expansion pack, since we are likely not going to stay in that time and universe, so much for a new Alliance hero. And I know my lore pal. The Argent Crusade is still more Alliance-friendly though, since they kinda hate the Undead. And by this Tirion ain't Alliance logic, Thrall ain't Horde either, since he isn't the Warchief anymore and he is kinda a Human-lover. Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

Gorgrond, there's this piece of trivia [1] it has no reference, but that's what people say on forums, so shrugs.

A few questions:

  1. What do you predict to come after WoD?
  2. What would you do if you were in Blizzard seat?

This was supposed to be much longer but I forgot a half of it.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 20:48, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Draenei aren't the only race which needs progression. When was the last time we've got Gnome, Dwarf lore update or at least characters' stories continuation? In WotLK I believe. And as you mention Worgen... the Worgen, Forsaken and Blood Elves technically aren't even races, so I find it stupid that they are considered as such. The Worgen are mostly Gilnean Humans and Night Elves affected by a Druidic curse, not an actual race, but at least two races using a transformation, so they are more like a faction if anything. Forsaken also are animated mostly Human and High Elven corpses, not a single biological race, not to mention they can't even reproduce, yet another faction considered a race in WoW. And the Blood Elves are High Elves on crack, that's it. They should freaking rejoin the Alliance now that their addiction is no longer an issue. The only reason they stay with the Horde is because Sylvanas introduced them there and for in-game faction balance, Hordes would cry if their only good looking race were to join the Alliance and Forsaken were removed. Lore-wise, Lordaeron should have been long reclaimed.

  1. Flying has been removed with WoD, who visits Stormwind/Orgrimmar or any of Azeroth nowadays anyway? Level 90 boost it is, the old continents are a ghost town.
  2. Talk about it, Stormwind is yet to be completely repaired, doesn't make any sense story-wise, Blizzard is just lazy.
  3. Doubtful they would do such a thing. They don't really care about the lore/story. This is evident with you starting in Cataclysm era (unless you are a Blood Elf or Draenei, in which case you timetravel back even further) then you timetravel back in time once arriving on Outland, then you travel slightly into the Future (but still you are in the past) once arriving on Northrend, then you travel into the time from which you had started and there goes MoP and WoD. Obviously, I get that this can't be completely avoided, but they should update the old stuff at least slightly so it makes more sense. But sure, they aren't gonna remake Pandaria now just because Garrosh is dead, it's still "recent enough" Outland and Northrend on the other hand definitely aren't.
  4. There's a quite recent crackpot "theory" around the WoW forums, that at the end of WoD, our time and universe will either be erased or we won't be able to return back home for some reason, meaning the next expansion would take place on the past AU Azeroth instead, essentially "retconning" everything until WoD outta existence. The level cap would be moved back to 1-60. While very interesting, I doubt Blizzard has balls to do such a thing, not to mention the amount of content they would have both to remove and rework. But if they did it, it would be "WoW 2.0" essentially and lore-wise a semi-reboot (shit happened, but got erased) but there would be no Lich King and all that cool shit and nerds would commit suicide.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 11:15, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
  1. In that case, the next expansion's location would have to take place on Azeroth. Not sure if we want Burning Legion on Azeroth :P Also why just Stormwind? Poor Ironforge, Gnomeregan (yet to be completely reclaimed btw) Darnassus, Exodar and now Gilneas (yet to be reclaimed as well) they are just kinda... there. Same for the Horde's besides Orgrimmar.
  2. Well, this is a huge problem with Warcraft. There are too many stories to tell and WoW is too limited to do it properly. We have Bolvar sitting frozen, doing nothing, will anything ever be done with that? Hence why Warcraft 4 should be a thing.
  3. Obviously they can't update everything to match a single point in time, but it should at least make sense during the questing experience, that CAN be done. Consider that when a character is made as level 1, we play during "year 0" let's say. And essentially as we level up, years go by. In that case, if they fix Draenei starting zones, Blood Elf starting zones, Outland and Northrend, it will all fit.
  4. Makes you question tho what's the freaking point of us doing anything there, since Garrosh is dead, most of the Warlords are dead and the Dark Portal is destroyed, they are no longer a threat to us and we don't owe those people anything. About the crackpot theory, well, level 105 or 110 seems strange, one would have thought that it would be 100 at most and that's it.

About the races you agree I guess? Which races would you add/remove to/from which faction?--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 12:19, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Ugh, offtopic, but I would break necks and cut testicles/ovaries at the moment >_< I have lost 7 matches of Pokemon Showdown in a row, what the hell, is this no luck day or what? Aarrghhh... That would have been okay and all, but the last one was a tie, YET I lost and the other one won, how did the computer decide that I'm the loser even though it was a tie? "The universe conspires against me"--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 13:32, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Pokemon is like chess or a card game, just with more options. The major difference is that there's quite a lot of randomness present in Pokemon, unlike chess or card games which have minimal. On the thing:

  1. In my opinion there are 2 major reasons why the cities are empty. One is that each new expansion's hub has everything in it (all the portals, vendors, trainers etc.) and the second that there are too many realms but not enough players. I'd reduce the number in half at least.
  2. Talking Garrosh, is it just me or is his character kinda inconsistent? I remember in Cata him being angry at Sylvanas for using the plague on innocents and using her Valkyres to raise enemies' corpses into her own army. So I get the vibe that originally, he wasn't intended to be so evil.
  3. We kinda already do that though, with the exceptions of the aforementioned locations. And new isn't always good either, viz MoP. Blizzard tried to do WoW 2.0 with it and most refused it cause "Kung-Fu Panda lol"
  4. Thing is, they can't hurt anyone anymore but themselves, their portals are destroyed and most of their forces have been killed. It would take many years before they could attempt another assault on our or AU past Azeroth. Well, I guess Gul'dan needs to die so AU Medivh doesn't contact him and all.--Elve [Mod] Talk Page|Contribs 14:39, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

reporting bad edit

Per my request and discussion on the requests page, here is one of Kunoichi's pointless edits. There's probably more that were done recently, but that one caught my eye. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:12, March 14, 2015 (UTC)

The reason for that policy being added was based on Simant telling Kunoichi101 off for removing the trailing comma from the end of infobox lists, because it does nothing to improve the article and just adds a pointless revision for people to see (those commas will keep coming back due to semantic forms, so the edit to remove them is pointless). In that case, she continued to remove the comma despite being told to stop at least 3 times by Simant, so I decided to add a clear policy of "don't make edits that don't change the appearance of the page" to build on things ranging from removing the underscores, adding/removing spaces and fixing headings.
The problem is that, you can make these kind of "unseen" edits as part of another edit (like expanding an article), but Kunoichi is just going into pages and making only edits that nobody is going to see reflected on the page, she doesn't actually contribute anything to expanding the wiki's content in terms of expanding stubs or uploading images: her edits are primarily minor and bordering on obsessive in nature.
But I'll continue to report bad edits as and when they happen. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 13:39, March 14, 2015 (UTC)
And I'm just gonna ask out loud, when did I say to stop letting me know when Kunoichi101 did something that pissed you off?
I eventually got bored of all the bad edits that I just stopped bothering to report them, since it was basically equating to every edit she made. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:44, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

Talk page formatting

Is fromatting talk pages not allowed or something cause it appears to get sajuuk pretty butt-hurt. Munchvtec (talk) 15:53, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

alright thanks. i don't really think ive edited a old one in a long while so i wont. thanks again. Munchvtec (talk) 16:06, March 18, 2015 (UTC)

Chakra

If you would be so inclined... would you weigh in on this discussion? Some guy needs help learning the concept of chakra... Would like your opinion, personally...
WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 02:32, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Serious Question

I'll just quote the Manual of Style:

Do not make edits that do absolutely nothing to change the appearance of the page when it is rendered, such as adding or removing a space between paragraphs, adding underscores in spaces when including an image onto an article, or removing unused parameters from infobox templates. This does nothing except add pointless edit revisions to the page history and does not improve the wiki.
Do not go adding last names to links unless you have a valid reason to do so (full character name hasn't been used earlier in the article). Full names should not be abused to bypass redirects.
Do not change page numbers in ref tags to have a leading zero. Going around the wiki and changing 3 to 03 despite most pages sticking to 3 doesn't improve the wiki at all and just adds pointless edits, just stick with 3.

Those are full definitions of pointless edits, especially the first one, which (while you considered to be fine) Kunoichi101 regularly violates with her edits. Two other types of pointless edit include:

Reverting something just because another editor did so, for the sake of "I just want to click the undo button".
"Stating the obvious" (aka stating something that a viewer can already determine without it being spelled, either because it's mentioned elsewhere on the page, or because they already know what it is referring to). An example of this type of edit would be stating that a trivia point is mentioned in the episode on an episode article (eg "As mentioned in the episode, X means Y" on a page that summarises the episode).

Very rarely (and I put heavy emphasis on that), she makes a minor edit that is actually good (such as correcting poor spelling), but the vast majority of her edits are those which do nothing to change the page's appearances and Simant regularly told her to stop those edits. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 18:11, April 14, 2015 (UTC)

That will take time so you won't be able to get a reply for that for a few days. But you can start by looking at the contributions and comparing at least the first page of "mainspace" only edits on her contributions list. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 18:43, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
Apologies, I'm gonna be quite busy, both with other wiki's and irl, so I won't be able to fulfil your request for examples of pointless edits. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:22, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Protection Removal

Greetings, TU3!

My rights to create my own user profile were revoked by Dantman back in 2008, when I was new to the wiki. I was hoping that you or another Sysop could maybe reinstate me, since I'm a forum mod now and I'd like to be able to leave some links or help users figure out what the hell I'm actually doing here.

Any help would be appreciated :)--Jizo 悟 (talk) 12:05, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

re: Manuel of Style

I agree that it might have to be altered. And well, I was referring more to the long wall of text I put on her talk page. Basically, she's been consistently ignoring user requests for years, which is why this witch hunt is happening in the first place. It's not all because of the Manual of Style. EDIT: So yeah, her not heeding what others tell her not to do is why she's been blocked so much and why you-know-who has made it known he wants her gone... WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 09:25, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

(Funny how I was just talking about the Image Wars with someone else...) Yeah, it isn't required, but those user requests that have been ignored eventually have become warnings, and ignoring warnings is what gets her blocked, from what I've seen.
WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 09:35, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
A user isn't required to listen to user requests... yet she gets blocked for not doing so. That just sounds and looks weird to me. Also, some users complain that such edits "add additional entry to page history and RC" and is unnecessary. Hey, I'm just telling you what I see. But the Manual of Style should probably be altered. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 09:46, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Really? No discussion, huh? Well, while that was added, Simant enforced it. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 09:47, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Policies can be added without any discussion, if they are deemed to be necessary (hint: Project:Three-revert rule). Simant enforced a lot of non-written policies, but this one regularly came up as an issue, so I added it. Discussions don't need to be made on obvious common sense things, so there is nothing to change.
Also, I would appreciate that you stop demeaning me whenever you get an opportunity to do so. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 09:51, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
Pre-edit conflict: Getting ready for war. May the force be with you, Master.
Post edit conflict: Ugh. Seriously, Sajuuk? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 09:53, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
I'm blatantly serious. I like how you've agreed with the policy so long, but when TU3 raises a stink, you immediately jump to his side and decide the policy is useless. That policy is perfectly valid, Kunoichi has been warned about those edits for years, other users have also been warned about useless edits, so there is nothing to discuss. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 09:57, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Note: I only said "seriously" due to frustration with the edit conflict. And I never said the policy was useless, thank you very much. And also, I've already created a topic on the Manual of Style talk page, so it should be discussed there. And I'm on my own side. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 10:00, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

I apologise for that then. The timing of the message was simply bad. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:01, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

My Name

I would appreciate you to call me Sajuuk, like every other member of this wiki does. I do not appreciate you calling me "Forum Moderator", because it's obvious you are doing it to deride and make my opinion seem irrelevant to the community. So, you call me Sajuuk, like everyone else, or I'm going to just go to Dantman and complain about your behaviour to wiki editors. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 14:27, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Because you are using any other name, other than "Sajuuk", to refer to me in a degrading manner, as though my opinion is somehow irrelevant and you wish to do whatever possible to make that opinion irrelevant in a serious discussion. I don't ask much, but you cannot just keep referring to editors in any way you wish. If they ask you to refer to them in a certain way, common courtesy is that you should actually honour the request.
Also, just because of the way the policy discussion is going, doesn't mean Kunoichi should be infinitely blocked. If she can't make anything other than "non-page changing edits", she should consider simply making no contribution and focusing on some other part of the wiki, like the forums. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:15, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
The forums are not "my playground", I don't know why you think they are. Sure I pushed for them to be opened up more, but that's only because I felt it was a way to improve the wiki as a whole. And it has, to an extent.
Also, if you haven't noticed, she just reverts things because she doesn't actually pay any attention to the multitude of announcement and information posts made by translators and other wiki members, as well as making edits "just in case". She also has no concept of how to use preview, despite knowing of its existence, yet ignores every request to actually use it.
These are not suitable, nor acceptable, excuses to make edits. You don't just make edits on the basis of "just in case", the wiki is not a public sandbox: you also don't just keep ignoring editor requests to use specific wiki features to help you to stop making about 5-10 edits in a row. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 15:24, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

What does this do?

I edited Daimaru's page and I saw Kunoichi adding "
". What does that even do? I don't see any visual differences in the article.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 20:24, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

S-rank

Hey TU3, what makes a missing-nin, S-rank? Outside of Madara, Sasuke's the only mainstream character in memory who became a rogue shinobi without being classified as S-rank. Snapper2 already told me there's no set criteria for it. But I've seen that edit reverted three times already, so I'm just curious.--Minamoto15 (talk) 19:31, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

~_~

Lol. You reverted to your Chōchō Mode again?! >_> <_< WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:52, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Did I now? :P EDIT: Ohhhhhhhhhhhh.
So I assume every week you'll change your profile pic to Chōchō, change "TheUltimate3 aka Sage of the One Path" to "TheUltimate3 aka Chōchō is love. Chōchō is life." in your profile, and to top it off you'll put the Chōchō Mōdo page on your user page? Lmao, just rofl. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 06:11, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
Er... not to sound nit-picky or anything of the sort... but on your Chōchō Mōdo, is the first line supposed to be "There is only Path" or "There is only One Path?" WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 03:13, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
No "TheUltimate3 aka Chōchō is love. Chōchō is life?" :P WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 10:40, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
Chouchou's greatness banner is still there? Still in Chouchou Mode or... partial Chouchou Mode? :/ WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 00:17, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Block notices

Hey there TheUltimate3! I just wanted to let you know that, during my excursions on the wiki, I found {{TempBlock}}. This template seems to be quite a nice way of displaying that the user is blocked, so when blocking a user, use this template on their talkpage. You can add your own personal message below the template if you feel it necessary. Thanks! :) --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 18:00, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox mistake

Yo. The Otsutsuki's Rinne Sharingan isn't shown in the infobox here, any idea how to fix it? • Seelentau 愛 08:04, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Signatures

Hey, I wanted to ask if you have experience with custom signatures? I've made mine with an image, but everytime I leave my signature now it says in recent wiki activity that "AllstarUchiha has added a new photo" and it shows the image that's in my signature. Do you know why it's doing that? --☆ Allstar ☆ Konoha’s Allstar Mangekyō Sharingan Sasuke 05:57, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Re: You know, this debate would make more sense if the Uzumaki weren't extant but meh

Aye. I'd prefer if people used concrete evidence such as Boruto wearing the clan symbol or even the bento box that Hinata packed having the symbol rather than saying Hinata married into his clan.—Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 11:43, May 19, 2015 (UTC)

Ugh...

If you thought those hideous design changes were bad enough, now Wikia wants to standardise infoboxes on mobile. I think the intention is for them to use their useless syntax over wiki's local infoboxes formats. Funnily enough, they claim that "infoboxes are broken on mobile", which is so wrong that it isn't even funny. >_> --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:44, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

No idea. Frankly, I haven't actually browsed the wiki using a mobile skin for a while now, but when I did browse it, they formatted fine enough for me. Wikia is just intent on pushing mobiles over everything else, since apparently "the vast number of viewers come from mobile, so they're more important" >_> --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:55, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Random question

What you put on your /popcorn for this boxing match? You bust open a soda, too? :P WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 11:18, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that. You got a red link there too (It links to Six Path" " Sage Mode). What are you trying to do? Shorten Naruto's already cumbersome article? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 16:39, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Chat?

Can you join the chat? You probably won't, but I'll ask on the off-chance you might. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 14:39, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

trimming

Did this die out then? --Sajuuk [Mod] 19:07, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

Ah kk. I do find it interesting that Snapper2 regularly points out the long articles needing trimmed, but seems determined to avoid them. Don't know why that is, but oh well. You'll never find me trimming content here though ;) (though I did manage to trim content on another wiki, although that one had issues with referencing/fanon) --Sajuuk [Mod] 09:37, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Banhammer

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>_< lol WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 08:11, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

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Larger. LOL. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 08:24, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

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Not too big, not too small. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 08:34, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

I freakin' knew it XD. Knew you couldn't resist. Just rolf, haha. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 09:31, June 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Chat Policy

I'm not going to "battle", just saying that a majority of users think. It's just annoying that he thinks that he's in charge of this place and has the right to be predatory anywhere he likes about anyone he likes.--Omojuze (talk) 12:30, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

re: thread

The only way the thread will die is when it is closed. As long as it remains open to comments, it's going to keep being bumped. If Dantman wants to post in it, he can reopen it and leave his comments. But the thread staying open will only end up in a constant back-and-forth that won't end, as some random user will come along to bump it, continuing the cycle. So it would be better for all of us if the thread was closed. Dantman has enough comments to read, he certainly doesn't need to see pointless comments that don't improve anything. --Sajuuk 21:24, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Re: Goddamn it.

In light of recent events, I have an idea that I and some others I have consulted feel would prevent situations like this from happening again. It's a rough idea and I'm still working out the logistics of it.

I have no problems with you and I hope that you don't feel offended by this, but when I said I was waiting for an appropriate Sysop, I meant one that wasn't involved in that debacle that led to Sajuuk giving up his rights. Right now, the last thing we need is more accusations of playing favorites. --Jizo 悟 (talk) 09:54, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Wow

I was just about to do that and you beat me to it. Haha Bravo. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 16:10, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Boruto has Gentle Fist?! Air Palm?!

-__- Save me, please. Like you, I'm pretty much tired of everything. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 23:49, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Thread started out fine, then got petty (It started here, read downwards), escalated here, and yeah.... (closing) WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 17:53, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

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