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Thank You!!

Thank you for settling the wielder of Samehada.--Narutouz7 (talk) 10:20, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

She's not

She's not in her 20s. The second fanbook states she's in her 30s. ~Hakinu (talk | contribs) 19:39, December 13, 2009 (UTC)


Please stop changing hand seals to fuinjutsu, it is incorrect. Simant (talk) 00:26, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

  • Why would it be incorrect? Hand seals falls under ninjutsu. All we know its a Seal stat, which is most likely Fuinjutsu, Simant.—This unsigned comment was made by SuperSaiyaMan (talkcontribs) .
Talk:Sasuke_Uchiha#Concerning_stats Simant (talk) 00:30, December 28, 2009 (UTC)


Please stop adding that information, those instances did not show us him making it completly, or in the case of versus sasuke, used fox chakra to mold it. Simant (talk) 20:28, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'm warning you stop.. Simant (talk) 20:36, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
A.) Sign your comments. B.) Never said I was a mod. C.) Take it to the talkpage. Simant (talk) 20:47, January 6, 2010 (UTC)


When youre going to edit a page, please make sure you look to see if someone else already edited/fix it. —This unsigned comment was made by Shelldone (talkcontribs) .

right, sorry i forgot to sign my post hakinu Shelldone (talk) 22:24, March 3, 2010 (UTC)


Yes, thank you. I do realise that my spelling was off by a few letter. But hey that happens when you type fast. Anyhow, it was already corrected, so your comment was not needed. Sanders-sama (talk) 23:19, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Are you sure Naruto didn't use a Super Great Ball Rasengan in the latest chapter?

I'm quite sure, yes. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 14:21, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Kagami Uchiha was a Hokage Candidate.

You're speculating , there is no solid proof that it was a test. Also, Tobirama wasn't waiting for them to give an answer, he said himself that he was slow to make the decision to sacrifice himself--Deva 27 (talk) 03:29, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Contract seal

Dude your post is nice but you need to gather more info about the contract seal before you post it. Thx for your work.

Revert War

You seem to be in a fair number of revert wars. Here is a tip, use the talkpage and read edit summaries. SimAnt 19:18, July 25, 2010 (UTC)


We shouldn't be putting yin and yang in Chouji and Shikamaru's infoboxes until it is explained how their techniques work. If you don't agree please use the talk page.--Deva 27 (talk) 03:50, September 20, 2010 (UTC)


Ok, I will accept your changes, but it would be good to do something regarding the word repetition. Three times "even" in this short passage is a bit much I think. I will not change it, but it does not seem neutral (in my opinion) the way it is written. I thought about the possibilities of writing a comment to the talk page or change the formulation and decided to revert it instead, because it was a short passage and I would have to completely rewrite it. Seems like it was the wrong choice.--DanChem (talk) 19:00, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Can you please stop deleting my edits?

The bits you're trying to add to Sasuke's ability section don't really add new stuff. We already have a sentence showing how Sasuke got stronger to the point of fighting a couple Kage, putting he began to lose to A is already covered by the exhaustion part, and Sasuke did last a bit against A (for example Linger Bomb). The bit about Danzō, we can't say for sure that the small illusion was Tsukuyomi, that's speculation. I get the whole "adding stuff" to pages, but what you're adding doesn't actually add new content. That and a tendency to put some shaky speculation is, in my opinion, why people tend to revert your edits. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:49, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Madara noted that Sasuke used the illusion with Itachi (the one Danzō compared to Itachi's Tsukuyomi) to see if Danzō could be caught on genjutsu, they never said anything about the small illusion being Tsukuyomi itself. Take Madara for example. We know the MS grants control over the Nine-Tails, but Madara didn't have an activated MS when he controlled it during the attack on Konoha. For all we know, Sasuke could have used a lesser illusion, which doesn't require the MS, but he was simply using MS. And more info isn't necessarily more accurate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:55, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


According to Shounensuki's translations of character stats seen here, the databook makes no mention of how tall they are.--Deva 27 (talk) 20:59, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Genjutsu Kai.jpg

File:Genjutsu Kai.jpg

SuperSaiyaMan, the image Genjutsu Kai.jpg which you uploaded has been tagged for deletion. Please see the image page for deletion notes. We suggest you look over our image policy and ask that you make an attempt to fix the issues you are causing. ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 22:00, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Image deletion: Rasenshuriken Explodes.jpg

File:Rasenshuriken Explodes.jpg

SuperSaiyaMan, the image Rasenshuriken Explodes.jpg which you uploaded has been tagged for deletion. Please see the image page for deletion notes. We suggest you look over our image policy and ask that you make an attempt to fix the issues you are causing. ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 22:06, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Really should stop using Sleepyfans version of 464.

Well the last time i checked any translation at all it still said he guarded himself with an Enton [1]. I don't think it'll change that drastically between scans to mean something entirely different. Also look at the page... like Sasuke says he guarded with an Enton the part you're talking about is later on in the chapter when they all combine their attacks. The part in the article you're editing is the part where Gaara and Sasuke seemingly have a one on one battle. Of note also you should read the Blaze Release article to see that it's simply manipulation of Amaterasu flames. --Cerez365 (talk) 02:41, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

    • Blinktopia's translation, which is the better one, uses flames. Not Enton. Just Flames.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 02:43, October 19, 2010 (UTC)

I took the image from mangashare and coincidentally they were the ones who did chapter 464. You just invalidated your own argument --Cerez365 (talk) 09:29, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

Paths jutsu

When was Madara seen using Shinra Tensei and the others? Jacce | Talk | Contributions 20:46, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

He hasn't been seen using them yet, but he should be able to use it since all the techniques of the Six Paths of Pain are Rinnegan Powers. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:48, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
That is not how Narutopedia works. The sage of the six paths also had Rinnegan, and we still haven't added Shinra Tensei or Chakra Propulsion Boots to his list. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 20:50, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
And not all the jutsu Nagato used was derived from the Rinnegan. Many of his named techniques, such as Flaming Arrow of Amazing Ability, Shapeshifting Technique, Blocking Technique Absorption Seal, Magic Lantern Body Technique and Mirrored Sudden Attacker Technique were all given entries in the third databook, the same which gave us an entry on the Rinnegan, and none of them were listed as kekkei genkai techniques. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:23, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Fair Use Rationale

Put this for images taken from the manga

{{Characters in image|}}
{{Fair use rationale
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| Source            = The [[Naruto Series|Naruto]] manga, chapter 
| Portion           = A single panel from the manga [[Naruto Series|Naruto]].
| Purpose           = For the illustration of the character [[]]
| Resolution        = Low/High
| Replaceability    = Only by a similar snapshot with the same license status.
| Other Information = Character design by [[Masashi Kishimoto]].

and this for images taken from the anime.

{{Characters in image|}}
{{Fair use rationale
| Description       = Single frame snapshot of [[]].
| Source            = [[Naruto Series|Naruto]] Episode 
| Portion           = Single frame from the [[Naruto Series|Naruto]] Anime series.
| Purpose           = For the illustration of the character [[]].
| Resolution        = Low/High
| Replaceability    = Only by a similar snapshot with the same license status.
| Other Information = 

Just fill in the info from the image. You're already adding the license properly, so this is all that is left for you to add when uploading images. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:33, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Request Block of

Fixed by Simant. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 07:52, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Does anko Mitarashi get killed by Kabuto?


What exactly about Itachi's last fight translates into dying from disease in conjunction with chakra exhaustion and him having "at most three shots with his Mangekyō, a fourth which would drain him entirely of his chakra and kill him"? Normally I would have reverted this in heartbeat, but since I don't want to engage in an useless revert war, I'm asking you before I do anything else. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:44, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

^ SimAnt 22:46, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
Due to his low stamina. Itachi has a 2.5, and in part I when he was relatively healthy, he used his MS three times that day (One Tsukuyomi for Kakashi, one Tsukuyomi for Sasuke, and one Amaterasu to escape from the Toad Mouth Bind) he was unable to maintain his Sharingan at the end. He did the same thing during his final battle with Sasuke, forcing a fourth MS usage with Susanoo, which killed him from chakra exhaustion and the strain on his body.--NaruHina fan (talk) 22:49, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
We don't know how healthy Itachi was in Part I, Madara said Itachi was fighting illness with medicines, we have no idea for how long. A stronger or weaker Itachi could simply come from taking his medicine (or not taking them) with a different frequency. Who's to say that he didn't take less medicine before fighting Sasuke or something along those lines? Who's to say that Susanoo takes more chakra to perform that Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu? That's the kind of edits you make that makes me cringe a bit, because you state something that's not set in stone as if it were established fact. That's the reason I revert most of your edits if someone hasn't done it already, such as Deva27, who I believe shares my opinion on speculative character of info you add. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:57, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
Three MS jutsus in Part I made it so Itachi couldn't maintain his Sharingan. Not only that, during the Shoten Clone, with just 30% of Itachi's chakra, the Itachi clone couldn't perform not ONE MS technique. And again, 2.5 in stamina, not affected by illness (since Kimimaro had a 4.5 and was on his death bed). Itachi's low stamina only gives him three shots, and a fourth would kill him from chakra exhaustion. --NaruHina fan (talk) 22:59, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
Who's to say that databook ranks take in account things like illnesses? 4,5 could be Kimimaro's regular strength, without the disease. Even if 2,5 is Itachi's stamina without the illness, remember that not everyone spends the same amount of chakra to perform techniques, as explained way in the beginning of the series. The huge chakra cost could be mitigated by a good "chakra use efficiency", so to speak. Hiruzen could use powerful elemental jutsu in his age because of that. People practice and get stronger, getting more chakra and becoming better at using it. Do you think Itachi just gained his MS and could use it the best he could just like that? Part II Itachi could perhaps be much better at MS jutsu as far as effect and efficiency goes. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:12, November 23, 2010 (UTC)

Re: The Chapter is already out?

I'm assuming you're wondering if there is a translated chapter out. As far as I know, there isn't. I'm using a low-quality Japanese chapter at the moment. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 21:17, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

The text was rather illegible at places, so I can't really make a good judgement, but on the whole I think the chapter could've been better. Sai was rather awesome, though. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 21:29, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Crossbow & Arrow

I think those would be better as tool articles, much like Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror, since they're too Susanoo tools. I also think one article should be able cover them instead of two, since the arrows are merely the ammunition of the crossbow. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:46, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, lets merge them together and classify them as tools. --NaruHina fan (talk) 01:48, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
I'll make the crossbow one into tool and have the arrow redirect there then. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:51, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Block

Snapper2 fixed it. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:49, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Has already been taken care of. All of them. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 06:53, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Image

You have to click edit on the page. Instead of uploading a new image with comments, that only adds the comments if it is the first version of the file. SimAnt 19:59, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Biju ball

Positive and negative chakra, does not equal yin and yang.--Deva 27 (talk) 07:06, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Speculation, they aren't referred to as yin and yang, so there not until said otherwise. Also, the Nine-tails had its yin chakra sealed away, so I doubt their the same.--Deva 27 (talk) 07:16, December 4, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Did you even check out the talk page at the arguments for deletion?

Yes I did, and I already left my reply. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:51, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

empty wall palm image addition

kozo... please stop adding that image to Hianta and Neji's article ◘it's small and throws the whole section out of whack ◘there'll be more than enough opportunities to add a better image to the section as the plot develops and the article lengthens. --Cerez365 (talk) 18:28, December 24, 2010 (UTC)


Deidara claims to possess Explosion Release when he's fighting Ōnoki in the island turtle, according to the raw. We didn't add it them, because there was no confirmation it was an actual kekkei genkai, but now we do. Deidara doesn't hate kekkei genkai in general, just the Sharingan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:04, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

As Omnibender said, Deidara only hates the Sharingan. Also, Deidara claimed to have Bakuton and now that that ahs been revealed as a true kekkei genkai, it is obvious Deidara has this too. He isn't the one to plagiarise or imitate, after all. Also, he was a member of the Explosion Corps. This was clearly said in chapter 522. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:07, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
And the kinjutsu is how he adds to explosive chakra to the clay sculptures. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:09, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Even if the technique is a kekkei genkai, the Sharingan can still see the chakra of the technique, it just means he can't copy it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:12, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
if he created Kibaku Nendo to outdo Bakuton, he wouldn't have called his techniques Bakuton while fighting the Tsuchikage. Also, the Sharingan cannot copy kekkei genkai, that's it.
The kinjutsu he stole only allows one to add chakra to matter like clay. That alone does not make the clay explosive, nor does Doton for that matter. Bakuton fits in perfectly. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:16, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
What Sasuke saw to determine the clay had earth chakra was the snake hand seal when Deidara activated one his techniques. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:18, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Gari doesn't have a kinjutsu that allows him to add his chakra to clay. Deidara literally called his techniques Bakuton. Perhaps the character least likely to lie about such things called his art Bakuton. There is no denying this. Besides, would Kishimoto-sensei add a kekkei genkai that apparently has the exact same effect as a non-kekkei genkai? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:22, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

What Sasuke read was a hand seal, and from that he determined the chakra nature. As far as we know, Sasuke can't simply use the Sharingan to tell the nature of chakra. I agree that is very unusual and convoluted, but when things are put together, they fit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:23, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, it is very likely that the clay itself is sculpted and animated by Doton and that the Bakuton only adds explosive properties. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:25, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
You're forgetting who Deidara is. He would never just attack if he could fight with his art. Besides, he's a long-range fighter, not a short-range one. Also, the fact that Gari's techniques work differently from Deidara's are perfectly explained by the Iwagakure kinjutsu. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:28, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Until the revelation of Explosion Release as an actual kekkei genkai, I could have agreed with you on the kinjutsu being responsible for the explosive property, but not after it, specially when Deidara claimed he uses it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:31, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Like suggested above, the animation of clay itself could be earth release, hence vulnerable to lightning. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:35, December 31, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, even before the revelation of Bakuton, you shouldn't have believed that. The kinjutsu was very clearly explained as "technique to knead chakra into substances." This does not make the substance explosive. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:35, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

he hates the sharingan

deidara is not kekei genkai phobic he just hates itachis and his sharingan for defeating him in a fightGODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON (talk) 03:14, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

youre a xenophobic racist aint yaGODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON (talk) 03:14, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

thats not allowedGODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON (talk) 03:14, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

you are not allowed to remove messagesGODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON (talk) 03:14, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Been getting some harassment from this user

I blocked him/her for a while. I hope that will help. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 07:59, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Sasuke's Infobox

How do you know that Sasuke's chakra has an affinity toward fire nature?

It was the first element he learned and mastered? --NaruHina fan (talk) 08:28, January 4, 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't mean his chakra has an affinity toward it. The series hasn't confirmed that fact yet. Nor any databooks or other sources. {{SUBST:User:Banan14kab/sig2}} 08:45, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

are you the one being harrased by GODKING OF ICE CERBERUS WERE-GARURUMON

Site malfunctioning

Wikia rolled out an update to the mediawiki software, and according to some comments at the blog post announcing it (Simant left a link in the Swordsmen of the Mist talk page) the semantic wikia engine is down for the update. Pretty much every time they do anything with that, we get screwed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:10, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

No idea. The site has been acting weird and slow (slow to me at least, don't know about others) for about eight hours now. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:23, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mangetsu and swords

If you really intent to list Mangetsu as having mastered all swords, add him to all seven swords, not just Samehada. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:15, January 13, 2011 (UTC)


Since you're invested as far as the seven swords are concerned, there's a point I brought up that I feel should be addressed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:21, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Naruto's Sage Mode Use

I apologize, for some reason, I completely forgot that he used it during his fight with the Nine-Tails. But I still don't agree that he used it "a hell of a lot" since the fight against Pain. ~ Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 22:48, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

He was seen practicing once. He also used it to sense where Kakashi was after Sasuke fought Danzō. Still don't think his use after Nagato is "a hell of a lot". Regardless, I think the confusion on that edit was what "it" meant. I changed so it shows that what Naruto hasn't used since that battle is the scroll, not Sage Mode. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:53, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
Yep, thanks for clearing that up. ~ Fmakck - Talk - Contributions 22:58, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Rotation

Friend, instead of causing a revert war especially with an Admin just go [here] and state your case. --Cerez365 (talk) 03:41, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

Like i said take it to the talkpage. There are two major things working against this:

  • Members of the branch house were not allowed to learn these techniques
  • There's no sign that he used the rotation i.e. the normal sinking in the ground, or any sign at all that he was using the technique.

Those kunai could've been there for any reason really. --Cerez365 (talk) 04:00, February 3, 2011 (UTC)


That was soooo funny!!! And that was so not racist did you read the whole thing???Meimeimeioopzimback (talk) 05:43, February 13, 2011 (UTC)


Did you change your username?--Ttogafer (talk) 10:57, February 15, 2011 (UTC)

Spell Check

Apparently, we've switched to the British spelling of words now... ~ Fmakck©TalkContributions ~ 01:09, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Regardless of where you live we're using the Queen's English now so simply sight click in the edit box, scroll down to languages and change your setting to (English/United Kingdom). --Cerez☺ (talk) 01:17, March 2, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Why the switch to British English?

From what I remember in some forum page about guidelines and the like, the point was raised that the wiki caters to an international audience, not just the North American, and it would seem that internationally, the British English is more prevalent. It was also raised that the English used in other countries where which use it as an official language is the British one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:34, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

lightning release body flicker

Did you create that page? LIGHTNING HAWK (talk) 11:44, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

Nine-Tails Shroud

Can you give me those references you mentioned about the Nine-Tails itself having a shroud? The only references I can remember are those of people describing its chakra as a shroud when Naruto taps into it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:23, March 27, 2011 (UTC)

Itachi and Susanoo

Friend from what we SAW in the manga it cannot be assumed that he had to completely reform Susanoo or that he used the complete form of Susanoo in the first place. Unless you're Masashi Kishimoto all we know is what we saw. What you're doing is speculation.--Cerez365™☺ 20:15, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

  • Sasuke's Susanoo ≠ Itachi's Susanoo
  • The point is that there's the possibility that Itachi didn't use his full Susanoo
  • Never said he wouldn't have time just that there's the possibility that he didn't. And while that possibility remains what you add is speculation unless you wrote the manga. If there was a frame in the manga where we saw Susanoo before Kirin hit then it wouldn't be speculation.--Cerez365™☺ 20:34, April 19, 2011 (UTC)


Until you have proof Naruto did compress it take stop adding it. Make an argument on the talk page.--Deva 27 06:18, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

If the manga is on your side, then why do you need to resort to "seemingly"? Also, this.
The rest is just general cleanup; more references than are needed, grouping related facts, etc.
In any event, I've protected the article. And I'm seriously considering blocking you. I don't want to since your average edit is constructive, but you get into far too many disagreements on a weekly basis to just overlook. So this is the last warning you are going to get: use. the. talk. page. ~SnapperTo 07:00, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
Three days. Hopefully some neutral option can be decided upon by then?
And, to bore you with my philosophizing, I believe the reason for the arguments you get into can be summarized thusly:
An encyclopedia can have two sins: not having a particular piece of information and having the wrong information. Most editors think wrong information is way worse, which is why seemingly obvious facts can be presented with an invisible question mark, if they are presented at all. You (and even many editors when it comes to their pet theories) believe missing information is intolerable and that something needs to be said. Considering that an encyclopedia is meant to inform, your viewpoint is perhaps most valid. But if your interpretation of a scene is to be given, so should other equally plausible interpretations. Since a scene cannot have two different meanings that are both correct, that then creates the issue most editors have: that the wiki is at least half-wrong. This typically results in the middle-ground of "X happens for unknown reasons". This restricts things to plot synopsis and prevents phenomena from being discussed in potentially-related articles/sections, but it's the best that can be done.
In conclusion, I encourage you to use "unknown reasons" more often. If your theory one day ends up being the correct one, then you can bask in the knowledge that the rest of us are thick-headed. ~SnapperTo 07:38, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Tailed Beast Rasengan

In the latest Naruto Chapter Killer Bee states that the best way to learn and master is on the battle field--Mitchie Okere (talk) 05:08, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Stop changing the facts i put into those photos.

I understand changing back what i posted on Itachi's "Appearance" Photo. But the rest of the stuff I posted were facts, I talked with ShounenSuki and a few others to make sure my info was correct. I am going to change them back in a few minutes to what I put them as. There is no reason for you to remove the info of the ages I put in the photos. So cease from it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:36, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Naruto's Taijutsu section

Just to let you know, the manga scene you just uploaded has been animated already.--Cerez365™☺ 22:31, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Ne'ermind there's no good screenshot to be had there.--Cerez365™☺ 22:35, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I found an animated image of him vs Kiba during the chūnin exams. That should suffice yes? --Cerez365™☺ 22:45, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that's necessary when we already have an image that can suffice. Taijutsu is taijutsu is taijutsu to me.--Cerez365™☺ 23:32, May 9, 2011 (UTC)


Soory for this question, but, are you a girl? --NejiLoverr26 (Talk-Contribs.-Links) Konohagakure Symbol 09:02, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Sasuke article

Hey dude. I don't want you to get blocked, but you have to stop putting that in Sasuke's page. Nobody agrees with you and it's just gong to be a useless revert war that's going to get the page locked. --MysticOrb (talk) 20:02, June 3, 2011 (UTC)MysticOrb Hello again. I never said his skills didn't drop. What I meant by "nobody" was the majority of users editing the page. So please stop. And a another thing, just because I joined May 20th of 2011, that does NOT mean I don't know how things work here. So you don't need to remind me that I'm new. Thank You for your time.--MysticOrb (talk) 20:10, June 3, 2011 (UTC)MysticOrb

Re: Exactly

That's your opinion. It could simply be the fact that people like A, Bee and Kakashi are obviously more skilled than him at taijutsu. What he chooses to use his Shaingan for is really his own business, whether it's to "not see weaknesses in techniques" or out of a blatant need he has developed to show off the power of his clan's kekkei genkai. I just don't think we should draw assumptions like that in his article.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 20:06, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

  • At what point (excluding the time he fought against Yoroi) has Sasuke ever depended heavily on taijutsu? Taikutsu simply isn't a great part of his fighting style. So to answer your first question...never.
  • I've never heard A praise anyone he's fighting with
  • Killer Bee is a beast and your point on this only helps my point
  • Kakashi is a best...
  • I don't see what Sasuke's fight with Danzō has to do with taijutsu

Sasuke has always been a minimal taijutsu user so you saying that they've dulled us just your own opinion. --Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 20:17, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Chapter's out

Can we update now A, B, Tsunade and Naruto's articles about the latest chapter? --Ilnarutoanime 18:51, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ah.. okay then I should also help. ^_^ --Ilnarutoanime 18:54, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Itachi your favorite character?

Oww you must be joking...if there is one thing i'm not is biased about any character...second i base what i write in what read from the please keep the talk to the discussion and do not call out my imparciallty. Darksusanoo (talk) 00:42, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

I may be relatively new here, but i have always taken into account what is to write and i always try to use the most logical arguments for everything. Darksusanoo (talk) 00:50, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

outer path

my edit is correct check 551 nagato uses Naraka Path and brings out yama, Kabuto confirms this. the "outer path is Nagato himself think of Gedo mazo and yama as Summons. it is not a finite path like deva it is an ability that only nagato and so6p have. Demonic Statue of the Outer Path... it is of the outer path, Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique, yama is the median in which the tech is used it does not refer to yama it's self.—This unsigned comment was made by Trogdor247 (talkcontribs) .

Re: Your comment

"What 'inability'? He needs to do the Water Gun by transforming his hand. How do you explain how easily he got to the top of Gaara's pyramid?" He's never transformed his hand, just created water out of it in the same way Yamato can make wood from his hand, or Sasuke can make snakes from his. And he can likewise create oil that melts sand- he's never shown the ability to transform *into* water, mind you. ZeroSD (talk) 04:57, October 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Um...why can't I upload pictures?

Seems you managed to upload images. I have no idea why you wouldn't be able to upload them. The one thing done recently that would prevent you from doing so is when I restricted editing to those with sysop levels, because we had lots of users from various DBZ wiki vandalising the wiki, but they've been blocked and the protection lifted. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:09, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Neither Naruto nor Bee used any speed against Itachi.

They were still moving quite fast. Also, you seem to have completely forgotten B's battle with Itaci afterward. Both were moving quite fast and he even avoided B's extremely fast and unpredictable Seven Swords Dance. Also, if everything had to be explicitly stated or "tested", we'd almost never update characters abilities section. Skitts (talk) 06:35, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Funny. Not only does the ground not always shatter when he moves quickly, but you seem to have ignored everything I said about B and Itachi fighting. I never said that they're fight was limited to only the retreating part. >.> Skitts (talk) 06:40, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying that they aren't moving fast? Because they're obviously moving at least a decent speed. Also, you, yet again, ignored the part about him avoiding B later on. Skitts (talk) 06:46, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Points of contact? You mean him blocking it? A bit less impressive than not getting hit at all (not that blocking is even really getting hit), but the point still stands. Also, considering Naruto was much more interested in checking out the validity of Tobi's story about Itachi, I don't find it surprising at all that he was thinking about Itachi's speed. I mean, it's not like he didn't already know that Itachi was fast. Easier to discuss Talk:Itachi_Uchiha#Before_this_gets_too_far_outta_hand.... Skitts (talk) 06:57, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Lets take this to talk.

Done. Also Diedara was referring to the use of the power of human sacrifice. I highly doubt he meant one man with two dōjutsu controlling five bijū desperate to be freed.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol 00:43, January 31, 2012 (UTC)

Re:What's wrong with the pictures?

Not too sure bud. I think we're entering that dark time again where the images break. I see a few of them but some of them I've had to reupload in order for them to show. We'll probably have to wait and see what happens.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol 00:20, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

NaruSaku is gonna work NaruHina is not.Naruto hasn't expressed any interest in Hinata at all. K.Hatake (talk) 11:13, February 12, 2012 (UTC)

Shippings NS/NH

I would like to debate with you about this pairings NH/NS. I'll try to be as polite as I can. Naruto hasn't shown interest in Hinata as far as we now. And bringing up that point in Part 1 is irrelevant. He menat he likes people like herbut not in a romantic sense; Friendship-wise. When he turned 6 tails it wasn't just because of Hinata. You are giving her to much credit. Naruto was still dealing with Jiraiya's death and recently Kakashi so he had pent-up rage inside him. Also Pain's speech to him made it worse. In other words, he was emotionally unstable. So Hinata just comes of of the blue to confess to him about feelings he never knew she had and go on a suicide attempt at Pain. Of course he would go 6 tails! She is just risking her life and Pain unfairly owns her. If it was Sakura doing that it wouldv'e been worse. He would've gone straight to 9 tails and no one would have been able to stop him. If Naruto truly had feelings for Hinata, he wouldv'e made it known by now. Naurto is never shy when it comes to his feelings. He would have thanked her after that and spend time with her but he did that with Sakura. Also, who was the one that hugged him after his fight with Pain? Not Hinata. So many people hate Sakura because she is misunderstood. During her confession(whether it was true or not) she was trying to help Naruto. She didn't want him to go after Sasuke recklessly and put himself in danger. Sakura was also trying to relieve the burdan of the PoaLT. So, in reality, she was doing all that for Naruto. She was not manipulating his feelings to hunt down Sasuke. Sakura wasn't going to do that until Naruto was being difficult. Sakura's feelings for Naruto are still ambigious. Admittingly, Sakura has been selfish in the past, but that confession was quite the oppostite. At least she's trying to change herself. As for abusive, she isn't that bad. Sure she hits Naruto but its never without a reason and he doesn't hate her for it. Despite being "abusive" as you put it, he is still in love with her. Also, the anime magnifies how much she hits him for in the manga its not that often anymore. Personally, I think Hinata can be annoying at times and Sakura is my favorite character next to Naruto. I am sorry for butting in but the person you originally sent that message to is unable to answer at the moment so he asked me too. Romance Girl (talk) 23:40, February 12, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

In my opinion, she didn't actually save Naruto. If anything, she made the situation worse. Minato was the one who saved Naruto and the Leaf Village. She was the only one who went there because she was able to see what was going on with her Byakugan. No one else saw what was going on and if they did, they figured Naruto could do it. Sakura certainly didn't know he was in danger and if she did, she would've helped in a more productive way. If Hinata truly wanted to help Naruto or at least be useful, she would of 1. Pull out the chakra recievers in his body. 2. Get back up to stall Pain. and 3. Actually think of a reasonable battle plan instead of charging. Hinata didn't do any of these things that would actually help the situation and the 1st one was filler. Yes Hinata was the trigger but think of the circumstances. She just confessed a touching confession, knowing she was likely going to die, so went on a suicide mission(in her own words "I'm just being selfish.") so how he took it was undertandable. If anything, this battle shows how little faith she has in his abiltities. Sure he did need help but she auotmaticlly didn't think Naruto could win before even knowing what was going on. Evne now, she thinks he needs her "protection" when thats the last thing he needs. Not much faith. As for the seal breaking, it was already weakening and was angry about many things around that time(Don't you think Jiraiya or Kakashi contibuted? He's much closer to those two then he ever was/is to Hinata). If it was Shikamaru or any one of his friends he would've had a similar reaction. We know how much he values his bonds.

Sakura's confession is under controversy. But let's put it like this. Why tell Naruto she loves him? She could have gone around it in different ways like "Naruto I'm your friend so please listen up!" or "Its are duty as ninjas to protect the village which is why Sasuke must be stopped."But she didn't do that. Why? Obviously her saying she didn't care about Sasuke anymore was a big lie. Anyone with brains can see that. But what proof we do we have that she was lying about loving Naruto? Simple answer: We don't. Not once has Sakura said she didn't love Naruto nor did she take back her confession. In fact, when Naruto called her out on it she was angry with him. Too angry for someone who was lying. What I said before still stands. She was doing everything she could for Naruto. That is selfless. Maybe she went about it the wrong way but she was trying and Naruto doesn't hold it against her. As for the other reactions, its not all that surprising. That was the complete wrong time for a confession. Sakura's group was just confused she was doing this now when they didn't originally come her for that(Rock Lee I think actually believed she was honest with her feelings for Naruto. HE likes her too remember? Hence his facepalming.) And Yamato just didn't understand the timing so of course he knew something was up. Yamato knows or at least believes Sakura loves Naruto(The unfinished sentence). Kakashi was more or less expressionless so who knows what he was thinking. So in truth, we really don't know Sakura's feelings for Naruto.

If Sakura does love Naruto(I believe she does), of course she loves him for who he's become. Because who he's become is who Naruto is. Hinata loves Naruto as well but she honestly doesn't know him as well as Sakura does. All she knows about him is him dtermination to never give up, a "proud failure" but that's it really. She doesn't know much about his personality or his feelings. And Sakura doesn't only love him because he saved the village. She started having feelings for him before Pain. When Sakura listed why she loves him, most of them were good reasons and she looked sincere then.

Also Hinata silently supporting him didn't change a thing. In his childhood, all Naruto wanted was friends who cared about him. If Hinata wanted to have a bond with him then she would have actually tried. At least when Sakura supports him, its obvious and open about it. So really Hinata "silently supporting him" was almost as bad as people ignoring him. It didn't make a difference to him. So her shyness is her weakness which is why she isn't an important bond to Naruto. And yes, I well aware that Sakura still loves Sasuke but she's not proud of it. She's ashamed of her feelings and overcoming them will be part of her character development. I fail to see the manga going in a NaruHina direction. All I see is unrequited love from Hinata's side and its always been like that. Yes Naruto praised her recently but only because he saw her lack of confidence and he's a good friend. That moment wasn't romanctic. The manga is going in a NaruSaku direction and has been since Chapter 3. None of what you think changes the fact that Naruto fell in love with Sakura and still is until proven otherwise. Romance Girl (talk) 00:56, February 13, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

Hinata barely tried. I'm not saying she doesn't love him but she could have done more which she didn't and I was mad at her for that. As for what she did in the anime, that's filler so you can't bring that up for it doesn't count. Sakura did not know Naruto was in danger. If she did, Sakura definitely would have helped if she knew but she didn't. What Hinata did wasn't completely selfish but you have to admit some selfishness was involved in it. Yeah Naruto was stunned and angry but that's how he is with his friends. Hinata is a friend to him, a dear friend who he respects but he doesn't have feelings for her.

Sakura didn't tell him about Sasuke getting eliminated because she knew how he would feel about that. Yes she should have told the truth but like Sai said "She was only considering his feelings," and whether Sakura truly lied to Naruto about her feelings or not is up to interpretation. So manga-wise, Sakura wasn't being selfish in the least. Like I said, it was a poorly judged decision but like Hinata before her, she tried. Why are you saying for a fact that Sakura lied to Naruto about loving him? We really don't know if she was lying are not. Many have varying opinions but its still left open. I still believe Sakura loves Naruto while you think differently. Kiba was pissed because this wasn't their plan. Not one person said she didn't love Naruto. Only that she was lying about not loving Sasuke anymore which we all know was the lie for sure. And Sai didn't make up an assumption about Naruto's feelings. Every thing he said to Sakura was true. What's more, he actually asked Naruto if he loved Sakura and though he didn't say "Yes Sai. I'm in love with her.", he didn't deny it and said "How can I? I can't even keep my promise to her.", indirectly confirming he was in love with her. Like it or not, Sai made no mistake. You're being kind of hyprocritcal. Sai made all these assumptions about Sakura'a motives without asking her or confirming it. I'm not saying that he was wrong about Sakura loving Sasuke but he just builded his answer based on Naruto's reactions. Now is Sai really good at emotions? At that point no.

Now this is something all NaruHina fans say. You act like Hinata needs to have Naruto because she loved him first. Her feelings aren't important to the plot; she's a side character. You put her on a pedestal and the only reason you want her to be with him is because you are a Hinata fan. I, on the other hand, am a Naruto/Sakura fan. This is stupid. Maybe that would mean something if he actually loved her. You are only thinking of Hinata's feelings and disregarding Naruto's. I could say the same as a NaruSaku: "Naruto loved Sakura all this time has always been there and supported her so he should get Sakura." See? It goes both ways. Naruto should get Sakura because of his selfless love for her. Don't you think, after everything he's done and worked for, he deserves to be happy with the woman he loves? Don't say he wouldn't be happy because she doesn't love him. We don't know for sure if she does but there are evidence she does feel the same(4-tails, Yamato's unfinished sentence, The hug, Feeding scene, huge amounts of concern she never had in Part 1, crying over his safety. I could go on.) All NaruHina moments are really just Hinata moments, one-sided from her side. And also Sakura barely ridicules him anymore. And for your information, during Naruto's fight against Kiba, Sakura was cheering him on loudly and being outspoken. She had faith in him, unlike Hinata who doubts him way too much, even in Shippuden. Yes of course Sakura knows Naruto better because she's his teammate and spends time with him outside of missions. Naruto acknowledged her feelings but he doesn't love her. We would know by now. They don't have enough panel time to actually be the final couple. That's this pairings main problem besides being one-sided.

Your personal view of Sakura is wrong. That is Part 1 Sakura, not Part 2 Sakura. Part 1 Sakura for the most part ignored his feelings and disliked him. Part 2 Sakura is much more considerate of his feelings, cares for him very much, and spends most of her free time with Naruto. Remember this: "The only things I can ever do for Naruto..are the little things anyone can do!" She wants to help him. Sakura has strong feelings for Naruto, whether romantic or not is debatable. There is development to this pairing which is why its more likely. Now to Yamato's unfinished sentence. He could have been wrong but he came up with that answer because he saw firsthand how much she cares for him and took it as romantic. He is ANBU and they are usually pretty smart. I am disappointed that you are a Sakura hater. She is a good character but you can't look past her violence(Which is by the way comic relief and not intended to take seriously. Naruto is never severely injuried and he doesn't mind.) which is sad. Sakura is a kind, compasisonate character who isn't the same brat she was in Part 1. Sakura is the most widely misunderstood character in Naruto besides Sasuke.. Honestly, I hated Sakura when she was 12-13 but I see she's changed into a different person at 15-16 and now she is one of my favorite characters. I also don't get how you say Naruto can change his feelings but Sakura can't. Sakura definitely can. She has good reasons to move on from Sasuke while Naruto has no good reasons to move on from Sakura. You also act like Sakura can't be in love with two people. She is in love two people: Sasuke and Naruto.

Also, for your information, I hate Twilight and for you to compare NaruSaku to that disaster is ridiculous and insulting. And yes, I do know a lot about romance and how to analyze things, unlike you NaruHina fan. Also, Hinata was never Naruto's original love interest. If anything, the only completely original character of Kishi's is Sakura. What you heard must of been a rumor. And what shots at Hinata's feelings? It is still one sided, Same as its always been. Again I fail to see that just because Hinata loves him means Naruto feels the same. Why are you getting so pissed? I am just trying to see your views on NaruHina and compare them to my logic. Romance Girl (talk) 05:37, February 13, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

NaruSaku/NaruHina Debate Part 2

Well I am glad you don't hate Sakura. I see too many people who do and it annoys me to hell for she is just a misunderstood character. Also I do not ship Katara and Zuko together. I don't know why people do. I'm more a Katara/Aang fan. And no worries for the Twilight remark. I myself get annoyed over obsessed Twilght fans when its not even that great a story. I'm also sorry for coming off a little rude in my last post. I'd like to think I'm a polite NaruSaku fan but I do get annoyed every now and then. You are fun to debate with SuperSaiyanMan ^.^

Well back to the debate. I honestly think Naruto's feelings stopped being a crush towards the end of Part One. He knew how Sakura felt about Sasuke and it breaks his heart to see her unhappy which is why he made that promise. That promise was connected to his love for Sakura because he wants her to be happy above himself. Naruto's feelings for Sakura are more than just a crush. He was so selfless to her that there is no way he can be that selfless towards someone and not love them. His feelings may seem crushlike at times but he seems the type to not show how deeply he feels for someone unless something bad happpens or it just shows up(Look at Sasuke for example. We never knew how deeply he felt for Sasuke until he betrayed everyone.) The reason I love NaruSaku is mainly because of Naruto and how dedicated he is to her. Of course Naruto understands love! He understands his love for his friends and Sakura. Just not parental love. I admit Sai isn't the best source to go to when it comes to feelings and romance and he learns mostly from books, but he actually got a direct confession from Naruto(I think the correct thing Sai asked was: "You love Sakura don't you?") so it seems to stand.

Most NaruHina fans put Hinata on a pedestal, sometimes unconsiously sometimes consicous. I think you do it unconciously. They only think of Hinata's feelings and act like its enough. Naruto's feelings count too and we don't see much from his side. Of course Naruto cares for Hinata very much but whether its romantic...not really. I have yet to see something that truly convinces me he does. Personally, I don't think Naruto will ever love Hinata because he seems like the type to only love one person. But I'm not Kishi. As for what I said earlier, I think Sakura was busy evacuating everyone so wasn't right next to that Hyuga the whole time. Either that or he didn't tell her which seems unlikely. If Sakura did know, she would have been right up there with Hinata to help him because that's just the kind of person she he is with Naruto. She cares for him a great deal, romantic or otherwise.

Again Sakura's confession, that's up for interpretation. Was Sakura telling the truth about loving Naruto? We really don't know because Sakura herself hasn't stated she was lying or not. We will probably get an answer to that later. But if she was lying, that would be wrong but I would still think her heart was in the right place. Though I honestly don't think she was. She knows Naruto loves her and lying about loving him would be a big mistake on her part because it would hurt and confuse him. She would never want that. Remember this: "I've done nothing but give him pain. I've done so many mistakes...I don't want to make another one." Wouldn't lying about loving him, knowing that he does love her, be another mistake on her part? Something she specifically said she wouldn't do? Lying would be a massive mistake and she would realize this. Sakura isn't the type of person to lie about that and she never wants to hurt Naruto. That's the last thing she would want to do. Of course Sakura still loves Sasuke. I am aware of that. But I believe she's conflicted between both Naruto and Sasuke and she is currently trying to figure out her feelings.

Hinata loving Naruto after all this time is a fact but that doesn't mean Naruto feels the same. NaruSaku is more likely.

Sakura hitting Naruto. She does that because that's the type of character she is. It really isn't meant to be taken seriously. I actually find it funny. She is a Tsundere. Appropiate definiton: "A tsundere is the japanese term for a female character who is prone to violent tendencies to other characters, usually the Main Character or possible love interest who is often male. They start out having distaste towards Main Character and despising them/insulting them but eventually warm up towards them over time and in some cases, even falling in love with them." This is a stereotype that is widely used in Action mangas. I'm serious. Look it up on Wikipedia. Tsun Tsun is japenese for "to turn away in disgust" and Dere Dere means "lovey dovey" or "lovestruck". Not all follow this but most. That's why Sakura hits him.

Also, I never heard of Hinata being the original main love interest. I heard quite the opposite. Where did you hear this? Romance Girl (talk) 07:36, February 13, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

You are right about one thing. During the promise of a Lifetime, since then he was convinced she would always love Sasuke. But that doesn't mean he stopped loving her. There is plenty of proof that he still did. Why can't you see that Sakura was trying in the confession? Of course she may have been lying about her feelings but she was trying to protect Naruto. Was it a poorly judged decision? Yes. Sakura doesn't like hurting Naruto. Maybe she should of just told him the truth about Sasuke being eliminated but she didn't want to hurt him. Did it have the opposite effect? Yes. But the point of the matter was, the confession showed she cared about him to not want to hurt him intentionally. Naruto's reaction isn't suprising. First of all, it was extremely bad timing but their were other reasons. Since the PoaL, he basically build a wall around himself when comes to Sakura ever feeling the same. Naruto didn't want to get his hopes up but at the same time he wasn't trying to move on from her hence him still loving her. The confession was something he always wanted to hear and it seemed unreal. But because of the way he sees things, he refused to believe Sakura felt the same. He needed to see more. Naruto believed she still loved only Sasuke and he didn't want to take a lie. If Sakura loves him great but he wanted her to be honest with herself. When Naruto called her out on lying about not caring about Sasuke anymore, he was absolutely right. Everytime Sakura mentioned Sasuke she had a forced expression but when talking about Naruto it wasn't like that. Naruto didn't want to take, imo, fake love. Do I agree with his views on Sakura not loving him? Not really. But thats how he saw it. Also Sakura point blank asked him "If you don't like me then just say so!" and what did Naruto say? He didn't even answer that. He basically avoided it. Does it prove he still loved her at that time? Possibly yes and possibly no. Does it prove he didn't love her at that time? No. Like it or not, Sakura's confession is up for interpretation. Until Sakura herself admits she was lying or not it is. Sakura wasn't honest with herself over Sasuke. That we know. Naruto's? We don't.

Naruto could still love someone but not understand it. Its not impossible. Also, I admit because I think highly of Sakura's character, I can come off as putting her on a pedestal. But Sakura is by no means perfect. She's an imperfect character and is supposed to be realistic to us. She has made plenty of mistakes over the course of the series(Some she wasn't even aware of until now and Sasuke being one of them.)There are many times Sakura has made me angry but she has a desire to prove and change herself. And I honesty don't hate Hinata. I like her sometimes. She is gentle, caring, and also wants to change herself as well. She's less shy than she used to be and more confident. Though I have a problem with Hinata. Her whole character revolves around Naruto and she thinks about only Naruto, similar to how Sakura was in Part 1 with Sasuke(Back then I hated Sakura for that sole reason.). Also, she can never have confidence on her own with Naruto being her motivator. In order to be fully done with her character development, she needs to move on from Naruto. Only then will I like her more than I do. Honestly, I was disappointed in Kishimoto for the recent chapter. It showed that since her confession, she hasn't grown much as a character and is still the same "Naruto Fangirl." Another thing: Her lack of confidence in him is annoying. She acts like he needs her protection which is completely ridiculous. Hinata is weak compared to him and while he shouldn't do this on his own, he doesn't need protection, especially from her. Those are my problems with her.

The reason Hinata still loves him is because Kishi is aware many fans only read Naruto for the pairings(Such as some NH fans) and if she was over him right away, they would drop it and he would lose fans. Why he is milking the pairing wars is for the same reason. Why Sakura's feelings for Naruto are ambigious. Another reason Hinata still loves Naruto is because she needs closure which she will get eventually, postive or negative. The only logical reason Sakura still loves Sasuke is for drama and the typical love triangle. Any normal person would be over him by now.

Naruto's indirect confession to Sai about loving Sakura. This took place before Pain but there was Character DataBook that came out during Pain that confirms at that point he still loved her. Also, Naruto's wordings to Sai hints that he will confess his feelings for Sakura when Sasuke is resolved so you can expect a confession from him at some point as well. Why I say Sakura's feelings are ambigious? She hasn't taken back her confession when she could have and most of the time Sakura's feelings are brought up in Third Party Reference. The one thing we are absolutely sure of Sakura's feelings is she still loves Sasuke. That is a confirmed fact. Does she only love Sasuke? That's unknown. What we know for sure that is undebateable is: Hinata loves Naruto. Naruto loves Sakura. Sakura loves Sasuke. Sasuke loves no one. Sakura's feelings for Naruto are ambigious. You are probably thinking "Sakura's feelings for Naruto aren't ambigious!" Yes they are. I'm not being biased with this. It was a confirmed fact. Reference to Third DataBook: "What are Sakura's feelings for Naruto? Sakura herself doesn't know the answer." That's an exact quote. Considered straight from Kishimoto. The next Character book still says the same. Does this mean her feelings for Naruto are romantic? Not nessessarily. But it does means Sakura's feelings for Naruto have grown so much over the course of Part 2 that she's confused and questioning her feelings. Which is why I say she's still figuring things out.

Also what you heard must of been wrong. His original characters were Sakura and Naruto. Kakashi too. His editors brought up Sasuke to create a rivalry between him and Naruto. Hinata wasn't even originally a ninja. If it came from an interview, I wouldn't take it as fact. So many people translate them differently that that could be biased and sway from what it originally said.

Also, my personal preference is Tsundere pairings, not the "Wallflower"/Main Character. Tsundere pairings are more hilarious and it shows the Tsundere has grown as a character. Also, whenever the main character(Naruto) does something stupid, reckless, or brash they are put in their place by the short-tempered, more rational Tsundere(Sakura). Hinat would just agree with Naruto says or does while Sakura questions it.

I am not saying NaruHina is impossible. Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? As of yet no. Romance Girl (talk) 03:33, February 14, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl '

This has been entertaining. /intrudes :D I'm gonna have to side with RomanceGirl. I mean come on. Why would Naruto, after 572+ chapters of liking, then loving Sakura get together with someone he hasn't even shown any real deep feelings for? He's the main character. Sakura has shown some interest in him that way, though she obviously still loves Sasuke. Even Kishi pointed out that she isn't quite sure how she feels about him yet, back around Jiraiya's death anyway. It's not like someone can't be in love with more than one person at a time. Then there's the Kushina statement. 573 revealed nothing new: Hinata is still in love with Naruto; no reciprocation has he indicated. And he's the main character. Whether or not you agree with the pairing, don't you think he should get to be with someone he loves after what he's been through? Skitts (talk) 05:31, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

And Hinata's confession hasn't been addressed in over 150 chapters now. Not so much as a "Hey, you know how you said you loved me/ Yeah, thanks!" And Hinata doesn't seem like his type in my opinion. Naruto needs someone to hit him when he says/does something stupid...which is often. That isn't Hinata. x) Skitts (talk) 05:38, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Erm, that's not abusive. o.o That's a comedic thing, obviously. And in both of those instances you're mentioning, he literally only thought of Hinata being hurt in the first and thinking of how she tried to save him in the second. That doesn't shown anything in regards to feelings of love, which he indirectly admitted to Sai that he had for Sakura. Skitts (talk) 05:47, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I don't see what Male on Female violence has o do with this. Kishi has her hit him when he's an idiot. It's funny. It has no other connotations than that. And wondering if he had hurt her? Duh. Kurama took over. He didn't remember what had happened. He said the same thing about Konoha: "Did I kill everyone in Konoha and Hinta?!" That=/=any feelings towards her relationship wise. Neither does commending her for her bravery since she was feeling like she was a weakling at the time. Didn't admit anything to Sai? Um:

It has far less to do with that I want to happen than with what the main character wants, and what has been foreshadowed more than anything else. Skitts (talk) 06:11, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I used SleepyFans because it was on the site I was currently using. It DOES say love there according to this wiki however, so don't pretend like it was just some thing that Sai misinterpreted. He admitted to it HIMSELF. PART of this series is based on Dragon Ball. To insist that such a thing extends to everything else in this series is foolish at best. I don't particularly care much for NaruHina sure. But that's only because of logic and the fact that Naruto has shown zero interest in her. That's the problem with the NaruHina scenario and it's funny, because despite the confirmation Naruto gave to Sai, most die-hard NaruHina fans (didn't say all) insist otherwise, contradicting the manga. Skitts (talk) 06:25, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Haha, no. Nice try. He said "I like people like you." Not "I like you" in the way you're trying to twist to imply. That is not interest. Oh wow, she saw him off by hiding as he ran towards the village exit. Big woop. That's not an "important point". THat has no importance to Naruto liking her. That's where ALL NaruHina statements fall short. NaruSaku has some feedback, not a lot, but then again NaruHina has none. Zero, ziltch, nada. If we're going to start pointing out things, I could just as easily point out what Sakura said when Naruto returned. Or her trying to feed him ramen. Or her hugging him after his fight with Pain.

Again, not EVERYTHING is based off of Dragon Ball. Son Goku was an obvious reference. However, again, it is very foolish to think that everything in this series is based off of that, especially character interactions and progression. Skitts (talk) 06:37, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

I acknowledged and answered everything you said. As I said "Naruto only said 'I like people like you.', not 'I like you' in the way you're implying." As well as "Oh wow, she saw him off by hiding as he ran towards the village exit. Big woop. That's not an "important point". THat has no importance to Naruto liking her". You're actually the one who ignored what I said.

To be frank, you're either being a troll or an idiot to think that everything in Naruto is based off of Dragon Ball. Kishimoto hasn't even indicated anything in regards to that.

That's what I hate about the character pairings in this series, especially NaruHina. Fans of it insist on some minor things that don't even involve anything on Naruto's part and, as you did, enlarge them as "important". You say Hinata saw him off. I could just as easily say "Well, Sakura saw him back in." Do you see how stupid that sounds? Or I could point out one of the things I said in my previous post.Skitts (talk) 06:48, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Her feelings being readdressed....That. Has. Been. Happening. Since. She. Was Introduced. And yes, her continuing to do what she had been doing at that point was insignificant. He DIDN'T say he likes her in the way you're saying. He said "I like people like you.", not I like you. You really like to twist things. Whereas he has openly admitted to Sai whom he's in love with. For me, this is logic, not "let's bring up some small things that can easily be countered with comparable things with the other character". Naruto loves Sakura. Sakura loves Sasuke and isn't sure herself of her feelings for Naruto. Hinata is one-siding Naruto.

Here's an analogy of sorts. Take the Harry Potter series. Ginny and Harry. Would it make ANY sense at all for Harry to all of a sudden love some side character with whom he'd had little interaction with and no relationship type feelings for in the entire series? Exactly, no. I'd like to think that Kishimoto is a better writer than that. And you tend to skip any counter points I bring up, which I find humorous.Skitts (talk) 07:00, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

xD I didn't counter anything? Dude, you ignored EVERY point I brought up then told me I wasn't acknowledging your points, despite those points being direct statements towards what you were saying. And no, there haven't been more NaruHina statements than NaruSaku. That's just plain lies. Sakura's character problems are of little concern, other than her love for Sasuke. Her confession was eaily brushed aside by Naruto because she said "You can forget about that promise you made to me". That's when he knew she was hiding something. Skitts (talk) 07:12, February 14, 2012 (UTC)


How much of a fan are you? White Flash (talk) 05:17, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Well I didn't ask for Skitts to step in but it seems most of what he said is basically what I said. I agree with him. I ship NaruSaku because it seems most likely and there are actually signs that Sakura feels the same. NaruHina has lack of development and seems one-sided. I can understand your thoughts on Sakura's confession for it was up to interpretation but for you to declare it impossible for Sakura loving Naruto as well as Sasuke and state Naruto's love for Sakura a crush is ridiculous. First of all, Naruto's feelings are too selfless for a crush and it been mentioned/revealed/hinted in Databooks that he is indeed in love with her and in manga. Even as a NaruHina fan, you can't at least acknowledge he loves Sakura? You are in denial my friend. When the next NH moment or NaruSaku moment shows up we will debate over this again. Until then, bye. Romance Girl (talk) 07:28, February 14, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

Agreed. Pairing debates can be stressful. I get annoyed sometimes myself. Though I would still like to debate with you again. It can just be the two of us or you can invite another NaruHina fan if Skitts comes along again. I actually had fun debating with you. Its refreshing seeing a different point of view. You don't have too but next time if you agree to, we won't go overboard. Just discuss the moment and interpret it it. We may have varying opinions, but I still have fun with you. Romance Girl (talk) 07:40, February 14, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

Sorry about that man. I was just getting annoyed, as usually happens in these debates. xD Skitts (talk) 07:42, February 14, 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about it Skitts. We all get annoyed in pairing debates. In a few of my posts I posted I did as well. They bring it out of us. I'm actually suprised I kept as level-headed as I did. Romance Girl (talk) 08:00, February 14, 2012 (UTC)Romance Girl

Me and you debate pairings help from anyone else. --K.Hatake (talk) 08:13, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

actually I change my mind I can't have can.

--K.Hatake (talk) 08:17, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Re: What is with your current deletion stuff?

If you had even read the deletion notices, there was a discussion that conjectural characters will be removed to clean up this wiki. Do not accuse me of just randomly adding the deletion notice for no reason. Your attitude is concerning and extremely rude. --speysider (talk) 08:34, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

May I ask what was wrong with my edits?


Sorry, this haven't figured out how this works let. That last message was from me,, who edited the Itachi page? I thought I cleared up a lot of spelling mistakes, vague pronouns, tense issues, punctuation errors, garbled sentences, non-sequitor, etc with my edit. I also thought the things I added were pretty relevant to the page, considering what I've read of its surrounding context. If I did something wrong, please tell me, because I really do want to help clean up that page, if only that one page. (talk) 07:56, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Signature policy

The Signature policy says that You must include your actual user name, in your signature. 05:46, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

What? Did you read it? 05:51, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Talk:Sage Mode#as of latest chapter...

I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying because I agree, just feel that it has gone on a bit too long. Also try to avoid making ridiculously long section names like you did on my talkpage, it stretches the TOC box too much :/ --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel 22:26, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

I'm not a staffer here, so I can't exactly make any authoritative statements like that. Simply put, I was trying to mediate the situation and failed. I've asked User:TheUltimate3 to step in and stop the discussion. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | My Wiki | Channel 22:31, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Elveonora's and Saeyatachi's behavior

I found the instances Elveonora insulted you, but I'm not finding Saeyatachi's. I didn't do the fine-combing by comparing each revisions of the page, so unless that has been removed, I don't see him (or her, I don't know Saeyatachi's gender) insulting you. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:11, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

Found it. Was that the only instance? I see that there are some unsigned comments as well, any insult from those? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:15, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

About the sage mode discussion

hey sorry bout that...really thought you guys were kinda slow there...won't happen again..Saeyatachi (talk) 07:20, July 14, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi

is that why your using a different account now?Saeyatachi (talk) 08:22, July 14, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi

ah i see...Saeyatachi (talk) 08:26, July 14, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi

Re: Why do you keep editing out Naruto's accomplishments?

You have a tendency to keep adding "braggart" stuff to articles which aren't abilities at all. So I'll go through all of what I recently removed from his article again so you know what I'm talking about:

...fight on a comparable level against Kage...

Being able to hold your own in a battle against a Kage doesn't mean you're fighting on a comparable level. There isn't even a set standard to say "yes that's Kage-level fighting" because that is based solely on opinion.

After forming an alliance with Kurama, he could fight Tobi's fully transformed tailed beasts and overwhelm them, ultimately freeing them from his control all at once.

Naruto was not the only person there fighting the tailed beast. Gyūki was also there and if I recall correctly, Naruto/Kurama would have been knocked the cluck out by Isobu, had Gyūki not been there. Yes he was able to free them, all of which is not an ability and is mentioned in the respective places.

Even Madara remarked he'd have to take Naruto seriously when fighting him after he had survived one of his assaults with no damage

That is also up for debate. Your interpretation of what Madara meant may be different. Madara said he was going to take Naruto seriously because he was bragging about being the child of a Hokage. It wasn't a matter of him not taking Naruto seriously, it was the fact that he was holding back so he didn't kill him.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 21:39, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Madara's purpose was to capture the hosts to complete the statue. Granted Madara does think that everyone is beneath him. And what's so special about Naruto making a Tailed Beast Ball that is larger than the others? It's not special, just bigger. And the balls weren't overpowered, he veered it off course, that would be better mentioned in any part on his article that speaks to his intelligence or battle strategy. Freeing the beasts already mentioned and an account is made of Naruto fighting Kage, it was not removed.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 22:24, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

And that's the problem, you keep piecing together irrelevant pieces of information to compare. That's something people have the luxury to do on a forum, not the wiki. Did Madara need to capture any of the Kage and seal whatever's inside them into the statue to complete a plan (which he didn't even know Obito had put into action)? Madara was never not serious with Naruto. As for the tailed beast ball that is not true, two objects at travelling at the same speed can divert one another if shot at an angle, and that's all Naruto did, there was no mention of his being any more powerful that the others'. Not even to mention getting into the physics of them both flying upwards...--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:06, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

You're ignoring the part where he said, I was trying to hold back because you are the jinchūriki? You do remember what happens to a tailed beast if its host dies right? Madara also said he would have to take the situation seriously, not Naruto specifically. Remember that Madara confronted Naruto with his Eye of the Moon Plan in mind.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:14, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

You have your facts wrong. A tailed beast "dies" when their host dies, and it takes a while for the beast to be "revived" after that. There is no way killing Naruto would have been a viable option there for Madara at that point. That's why it was one for A because it would have stopped the opposition for getting the beasts for a while. Now we don't know how long it takes for this process to occur but it's not something instantaneous, else what would have been Kushina's reason for wanting to reseal the beast into herself and die if the thing would be revived almost instantly. I'm not fighting against saying that Madara would need to take Naruto serious because Naruto is a formidable opponent, but that's not what was meant there.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 23:31, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Raw images

Okay, but you must include them in their articles. And for me I think it's not necessary right now. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:57, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re:What is your problem?

I don't have a problem, at least not one with you...if your talking about the section you added about A's chakra, i don't think it's necessary since it's four lines of text at best...i don't remove entire sections to annoy anyone, if you pay attention i added quite a few sections of my own and text...somethings are just too much and somethings, sometimes need to be streamlined that's all...if it irritated you i'm sorry it wasn't my intent, just that i thought you added something that was un-necessary. Darksusanoo (talk) 21:45, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Kurama

First, the sentences just needed to be rephrased. Second, you made an error on Kurama enduring the Top Transformed Buddha barrage part, it was its Susanoo armor doing all work because it disappeared after the attack. KazeKitsune (talk) 15:50, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hinata 633

I have to ask why SuperSaiyaMan, we already have an image of that technique both from the anime and manga, unless you want to replace the old manga image? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:57, June 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re:...could you have looked at the talkpage

I did.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 22:47, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

Warning: Speculation

Do not add anymore speculation to the articles. Obito never used a Tailed Beast Ball and just because the new technique has the same color as a Tailed Beast Ball doesn't make them related in any remote way. They're very different. I have reverted your edits to Tailed Beast Ball and cleaned up the speculation on the other techniques. Please don't do it again. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 08:14, July 17, 2013 (UTC)

Wood Release

STOP FRIGGINFLOWERS EDITING IT BACK, I AM BEING SERIOUS so could I please edit some small things which are true e.i.

the ratio of water and earth chakra in wood is equal wood could be created out of the body, wood and earth sources, since wood is made out of earth, but also out of water sources since it's also made out of water (Khallil123 (talk) 04:24, July 24, 2013 (UTC))

well. IMO it's info that the article needs, and if it's added it won't hurt the article. so please ;) —This unsigned comment was made by Khallil123 (talkcontribs) .

well. it won;t hurt the article well at least add these 2 things please, which is pretty unclear, and discussed about it on NarutoBase

-the earth-water ratio is equal in wood -wood could be created out of the water thnx ;) (Khallil123 (talk) 05:02, July 24, 2013 (UTC))

Can You Look At

Can you please take a look at the Six Paths Technique's talk page: It's About Time, and comment please.

Thanks in Advance. Senju SymbolKotoSenju (OldUser:JaZZBaND)-Talk-Contributions 15:16, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Really misunderstanding what was said.

Hashirama said Naruto was sharing his chakra with the Alliance and compared it his own volume. That is true, however, we are already aware than Naruto was giving out Kurama's chakra in both instance which had been altered by himself. Naruto's chakra cannot put people in Version 1 states. What Hashirama said after that point was in reference to Naruto and Minato's plan to fly everyone out of the barrier not the chakra itself.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 19:49, August 28, 2013 (UTC)

re: your nonsense

Except what Naruto has been handling to the alliance wasn't his own chakra but Kurama's.--Elveonora (talk) 22:05, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Not his original chakra, but Kurama's with his color and chakra signature. If he were to handle his own chakra to 40 000 people, he would be laying long dead by now--Elveonora (talk) 22:12, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Keep on going about being stupid and ignorant, you are doing well. Kurama's chakra while Naruto is in chakra mode and tailed beast mode is yellow you dumbass. Refer to the signature part why the sensors sensed it as his. Naruto's reserves are large but only about as twice as Kakashi's. Not enough to dose 40 000 people and stand alive. It's Kurama who is constantly running out of chakra and replenishing, not Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 22:19, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

If you don't want to be insulted, then give ma a reason to be nice to you. Manga > anime, that's canon. It said four times in anime alone. And are you gonna keep ignoring what you are being told?--Elveonora (talk) 22:27, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Insult

I am aware, and I have dealt with it. You're both in the wrong in that you should've taken your disagreement to Hashirama's talk page, just like you and I did with Tobirama last night, rather than continue to have a revert war; hence why I protected the article. That being said, that doesn't excuse his actions. My advice is, stop messaging him, as he's been asked to take a break from the debate too. Come back when you're more calm and discuss it on Hashirama's talk page if you still think there needs to be a debate. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 22:34, August 29, 2013 (UTC)

Bijuu Mode + Sage Mode Image

I appreciate you posting the image, but why not try this one?--Itachi7000 (talk) 19:10, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

No, that image is a policy violation and it will be deleted immediately. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 19:12, September 4, 2013 (UTC)


Hi, this is an informal request, which you are not required to do anything about. I would like to request that you stop writing long section headings. All it's doing is causing the TOC box to become very stretched for no real reason and causing a double line heading. You don't need to write the whole of your message in the heading, just a summary and then write your message under it. So for example, like this:

== Changing Info? ==
Please stop changing the information on X page because it's proven in manga chapter Y that Z happened. Thanks

Rather than this:

== Please stop changing the information about X because chapter Y proved the opposite ==
Thanks for your understanding.

As I said, you don't have to do this if you don't want, but it is a nuisance and can easily be avoided. Thanks :) --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 19:36, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re:We did see that

No we didn't. Madara and Hashirama weren't shown in the chapter he detonated those balls. Period. They weren't. Do we know that's what happened? Absolutely, but it wasn't shown, so it doesn't need to be mentioned. Readers aren't stupid, they know what happened. Our job is to summarize that, and that means especially leaving out details that aren't shown in the manga. We know that they were fighting, there was an explosion, and then they were shown at a later date, still fighting. Tell me why it is important for you to hype things up continually? Especially by adding useless notations such as they regenerated and then noticed Obito? Its just something that doesn't need to be spelled out. Kishimoto found it unimportant enough to leave out of his manga (meaning he didn't care enough to show them being obliterated and reforming), so its not important for us to note it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 01:42, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

You're misunderstanding. "Hype" is a word used to indicate adding additional emphasis to make something seem more grand, or exaggerating a situation to make it more appealing. That's exactly what you do in 90% of your edits, which is why you'll see me make those comments. For example, I had to reword what you said about the natural energy infused Tailed Beast Ball. You don't know that it made the attack more powerful. Can you guess? Sure, but that is hype. The only reason Naruto added natural energy to the Bijūdama was so that he could bypass Obito's ninjutsu-cancelling effects; but you immediately jumped to the conclusion, in all of your edits, that he was just making them all super powerful by combining his tailed beast chakra with senjutsu chakra. Or how, in this instance, you added a whole scene that was never shown in the manga, just because you knew it happened. All we report on, on this wiki, and any wiki, is what we know, and what we see. Not with what we think happened, or what should have happened, or even what we think is currently happening. Just what we saw, and what it meant. That is what an encyclopedia does. It does not add "fluff", per say. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 02:00, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Jinchūriki Forms Gallery

You really need to pay attention when others make edits. Ultimate and I, numerous times, have stated in the edit summaries, which are readily available for you to read in the article's history (which I recommend so you can see why certain edits/reverts were made), groups shots are preferred over singular ones. We don't really care to have 50 million images of Tailed Beast transformations; that gallery is there for examples. So, showing all five of Tobi's Six Paths of Pain (since Rōshi isn't present in the shot) using Tailed Beast Mode in a single shot is preferred over, say Yugito's usage individually, or Han's, or Rōshi's. You get the point. The same is with Naruto and Minato. When the anime depicts them using it side-by-side, then, and only then, will it be replaced. We do not need an anime picture of Naruto's and then a manga picture right next to it of Minato's next to Naruto's. Since Naruto and Minato's are both equally unique, and we have a shot of them side by side, we prefer that over the new anime episode's image. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 22:29, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Senjutsu chakra

Yes, he's in Sage Mode. Therefore, he is adding natural energy to all of his techniques; not "senjutsu chakra". Yes, its true that when one is in Sage Mode, they get a new dimension to their chakra, which is called "senjutsu chakra", but the key there is the addition of natural energy. That's all he did. It wasn't a new technique, was it? That wasn't Sage Technique (Senjutsu): Tailed Beast Ball, was it? No. It was a normal Tailed Beast ball that had natural energy added onto it to make it effective against Obito. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 04:38, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, its not that simple. For example, when Naruto empowered Minato's Rasengan, he was only using natural energy, no Sage chakra involved. All Sage chakra is is normal chakra with natural energy. Any technique empowered by Sage Mode just has natural energy added to it. What I'm trying to say is that saying he "added natural energy to it" and "added senjutsu chakra to it" is redundant. You're saying the same thing. There is nothing special about senjutsu chakra. Its just chakra with natural energy, and that's what they call it. But to say he "added" senjutsu chakra to it is false, because he already made it with his unique chakra while in Sage Mode. All he did was add natural energy to a normal technique. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 05:45, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
Why would he? Jugo's clan passively absorbs natural energy, but they can't balance it. Sage chakra is a perfect balance between mental, physical, and natural energy. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 07:32, September 19, 2013 (UTC)


I don't have an interest in reading that discussion, so let's start with lying. What is he lying about? ~SnapperTo 18:50, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Minor point, but: Aoba = guy, Aoda = snake.
I wouldn't really call any of that lying, since they're subjective opinions and all. Besides, I agree with him that Susanoo's size has always been inconsistent:
  • In 476, Susanoo's head = 1.5 Sasukes.
  • In 478, Susanoo's head = 1 Sasuke.
  • In 484, Susanoo's head (although admittedly hard to tell) = 2 Sasukes.
  • In 647, Susanoo's head = 1 Sasuke.
  • In 648, Susanoo's head = 3 Sasukes.
Even within those very chapters the size varies. Therefore, not lying.
Moving on, how is he forcing his opinion on others? ~SnapperTo 19:25, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
For future reference, links to the above are available in the previous version (oldid=826656) of your talk page.
So he's being rude and throwing around belittling terms in an improper context? Most discussions inevitably see somebody taking that turn. Regardless, I'll remind him to be polite. ~SnapperTo 19:47, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
Kishimoto's been ratcheting up sizes recently for no obvious reason. Have you noticed how many things are suddenly larger than mountains? Add to that that Sasuke has gone through three or four so-called "complete" Susnaoo, and it's easy to lose track of what size things should be.
I did want to draw your attention in particular to the links I gave to 647 and 648. Both are the same Susnaoo, as in there hasn't been a large gap in time between when Kishimoto has had to draw them and Sasuke has not magically undergone another evolution; they are the same. And still the sizes are clearly different. It proves the point that you can't always go strictly off of how things are depicted when making conclusions. ~SnapperTo 20:00, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Upload Request

Done. ^_^ 21:56, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Naruto

Our job isn't to make Naruto look powerful. That's Kishimoto's job. We're trying to trim the fat of the article, and you just continue to pile on examples and references when there are ample examples of Naruto's power both in and out of Tailed Beast Mode in the article. The fact is that Naruto had B's help while fighting the Bijū. Only his Tailed Beast Ball equaled theirs in power, and B/Gyūki didn't even seem all that impressed; rather shocked that Naruto could do a Tailed Beast Ball at all. To jump from "Bijūdama equals their Bijūdama" to "Naruto is stronger than five Bijū combined" is overhyping it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 22:12, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

"you and others" — that should've been your key clue there. You can't go around making decisions like that on your own. The talk page is in overwhelming support of trimming the "fat", like you're adding, from the articles. You've been told by myself, Cerez, and Speysider to stop overhyping the additions to character's abilities. So yes, I am saying that you are not to jump to conclusions like that unless you get community support because the manga simply does not reflect your conclusions. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 01:44, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
No, it is hype. I've read your "references" and it even goes against what you say. After Naruto equaled the power of their Beast Ball, he used the confusion to grab them by the necks and free them from Obito's control. Prior to that, B/Gyūki was a member of the fight, assisting Naruto as much as Naruto was assisting him. That is pure manga fact. The article is far from bias, it is almost a play-by-play of the manga, noting every little menial sneeze Naruto makes as some "great" new ability. If you consider the fact that we don't want Naruto having "he's as strong as five tailed beasts", which is unproven, compared to the mountain of other references we have, as "downplaying", then either you and I are not reading the same article OR you're deliberately trying to hype up Naruto's skills beyond what is already mentioned. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 02:57, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
Equaling =/= Overpowering. Their power equaled out. Naruto did nothing after the Bomb exploded except grab their necks and pull the rods out. Obito's "crediting" of Naruto had to do with the fact that he freed them from Obito's control, thus no longer making them his puppets, so he had to reseal them before they retaliated against him. THAT is what the manga shows. Naruto did not, by any means necessary, overwhelm five tailed beasts. He equaled a combo attack from them, which, if it isn't already mentioned on Naruto's page (I know its noted on the Tailed Beast Ball page), then it should, but that is it. Nothing else need be inferred because that is the only thing that happened. My point is, you're over-hyping the ending of that fight. Naruto did nothing; literally nothing; but pull out the stakes. How is that overwhelming and defeating five tailed beasts at once? If anything, he defeated Obito. The tailed beasts were fine, just free of Obito's brainwash. There is no argument beyond hype to suggest otherwise. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 03:23, October 9, 2013 (UTC)

Madara's wood clone

Madara switched with it before she punched it. He did that when they lsot sight of him and waited to get her. Where was it ever said that wood clones struck and damaged don't regenerate? Thats an assumption. The Fox King(The Fox King 19:09, October 20, 2013 (UTC))

When they turn back into wood, it ususally by the users will and by the regeneration comment, I mean't that as Edo tensei clones they probably could unless their was simply not enough power, like with Hashirama when he sent that one to Madara or because they were totally destroyed. Actually, whats said, even in the mangastream version more implies that he had switched with it ahead of time and used it to outwit them, as though they were outsmarted by Madara. When he says and what Tsunade says imply that. The Fox king(The Fox King 20:11, October 20, 2013 (UTC))

Check her talk page and lets just keep this on there The Fox King(The Fox King 20:18, October 20, 2013 (UTC))


Again, you are jumping the gun with radical speculations you've just made. This has got to stop...--OmegaRasengan (talk) 07:40, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

The edit you made saying Spiral Zetsu has the should know better than to add something like that. You are JUMPING THE GUN. I don't know how clear I have to be for you to understand. You've done stuff like this so much in the past, you should've realize by now that is not what should be done. We know nothing of how the statue was able to do that. So many people tell you you're rushing to conclusions but yet you refuse to listen to whatever anyone has to say and doing what you want. --OmegaRasengan (talk) 07:48, January 22, 2014 (UTC)

Madara The Epic God

What are u doingMadara the epic god (talk) 08:56, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

U know it is going to be true so why not put it in early.Madara the epic god (talk) 09:02, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Stop trying to delete everything I write on there.Madara the epic god (talk) 09:06, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

No I mean the actual facts that I post here like for example in the Akatuski section why do you guys keep trying to delete that.Madara the epic god (talk) 09:11, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

For the last time I am adding real facts. Please stop deleting my work and my name is Masashi Kishimoto so I am the owner of this base.Madara the epic god (talk) 09:34, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

How many times do I have to tell you this I am Kishimoto. Just because I am drawing a series does not mean i don't have any free time, and since I have some free time I will tell you what happens for the rest of the manga. Naruto will meet the sage of 6 paths and after that he will come up with a new resolution and that is to defeat Madara. The mystery man which you are soon about to find out will be none other than the elder son which is the Uchiha clan ancestor. He will tell Madara a horrible truth and Madara then goes as far as to use assume to fight naruto. After sasuke's death at the hands of naruto Madara finally realizes what he wanted to tell me. With this new resolution the biggest fight with naruto and Madara rages on. In the end Madara wins with an outstanding effort. You will find out all about this in due time.Madara the epic god (talk) 09:51, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

I have 2 children now this is just private matters.Madara the epic god (talk) 10:05, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Please don't ban me. I was just trying to organize Narutopedia. Sorry if you got tensed up I would have fixed the problem tomorrowMadara the epic god (talk) 10:40, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Speculation

It is speculation. Period. Was anything you just said stated by a character in the manga? No. Have we ever seen any of the three types of Sage Mode used side by side for direct comparison? No. The only difference we have proof of, is their appearance, which is noted. What you have added to the article, as you do with almost every single edit you make, is your personal opinion based on what you THINK is manga fact. But, I will tell you flat out, is not. Until you can give me chapter and page number where someone says that Snake/Hashirama/Toad Sage Mode is superior or inferior to any of the others, then it has absolutely, one hundred percent, no manga basis. That's final. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 04:32, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

...That's your evidence? Naruto was cut pretty easily by Pain's black rods. He was held in a pretty tight lock by the Preta Path and was shown unable to break out, despite the fact that earlier, he had thrown two giant animals. Even Naruto alone, disproves your speculation. I'm done with this conversation. Its speculation. You have no solid concrete proof other than what you think is proof. And that, frankly, isn't enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 04:38, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
I think you missed a critical part of my message. Namely, "the conversation is over". Speculation will not be added to the article, no matter how compelling you think it is. If you really wish to continue to argue about it, ask people on the Sage Mode page, and you'll be told the same thing. You have no proof. You have your opinion. Your opinion will not go into the article. I hope that is clear. Good day. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 04:46, March 7, 2014 (UTC)
No, what's dishonest is to add one's opinion. You're not stating what is said in the manga. You are taking two chapters, nearly two hundred apart from each other, and claiming that they prove that Sage Mode enhances its user differently. You. Don't. Have. Proof. The only way that exists to prove that, is for someone to either state it, or for two different Sage Mode to be shown being used side-by-side. That is how you make an accurate comparison. Speculation is when you get an idea in your head that is contrary to the words or direct comparisons made in the manga and decide to create a theory from it. Which is fine, but it is not going on a wiki page. Now, for the third time, I will reiterate. This discussion is over. Good day. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 04:51, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you delete my photo and post it again by your name? Anu-Generation (talk) 08:20, March 26, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya and Infinte Tsukuyomi

Hello. Sorry, but I don't get where it was stated in the latest chapter that Kaguya used Infinite Tsukuyomi. Could you please tell me?--JOA20 (talk) 07:18, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Fanon

If someone uploads fanon, simply undo the edit, tag any uploaded image with {{delete|<quick=true>|<reason=Fanon>}} and leave a message on the user's talkpage asking them to upload fanon on Naruto Fanon Wiki.

On another note, you might want to consider archiving your talkpage as it's getting quite long... --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 07:44, April 22, 2014 (UTC)

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