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Seelentau

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== [[Soul Removal]]'s new name ==
 
   
Is there any way we can make Absorption Soul Technique sound more...English? Absorbing Soul Technique? General Awesomo 22:40, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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== Verlassen des Wikis ==
:...what? Do you want a translation of the Japanese name or an English name based on that translation? Those names aren't actually supposed to sound English at all, they're just representing the Japanese word in another language. Furthermore, the same Kanji is translated as "Absorbtion" [[Spiralling Absorption Sphere|here]], that's why I translated it that way. Oh and if you want me to answer you on your talk page, I suggest you put a link to it in your signature. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:53, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen! Ich verstehe, warum du sauer bist, aber in manchen Fällen muss man einfach über die Ignoranz und Sturheit der anderen hinwegsehen, bis eine glasklare Antwort vom Mangaka kommt (am besten in Form eines neuen Databooks, wann immer das auch sein mag). Aus genau diesem Grund nehme ich an den meisten Diskussionen nicht teil, weil ich Angst hab, mir das Wiki dadurch verderben zu lassen.
::I was just wondering if 吸 could also be translated as "absorbing" or other variants of the word. So that maybe we can make a better sounding name.
 
   
::Also, I don't see the point of having a discussion being split up by two user talk pages. Why do some users do that? General Awesomo 22:59, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Auch wenn wir bis jetzt nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten bitte ich dich, die Sache mit dem Aufhören nochmal zu überdenken. Immerhin bist du meiner Meinung nach eine der wenigen Personen hier mit einem gesunden Menschenverstand, ganz zu schweigen von deinen Japanisch-Kenntnissen. Dein Verlassen wäre ein Verlust für das Wiki, ganz sicher! [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 23:03, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
:::It could, but as I said, this isn't about good sounding or so. People do that because it's hard to keep track of the discussion. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:03, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I'm just saying if we can make it sound a little better without disrupting the translation, it wouldn't hurt. But I'll respect this decision, and I'll try to get used to this way of discussing. General Awesomo ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 23:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Katsuyu ==
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== Re: I'd like you to ==
   
Can you please [[Talk:Katsuyu#Katsuyu: One or many?|look here]]? I need your expertise with Japanese. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:57, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Request denied. You're upset that's understandable. You want to leave, that is understandable. But I'm not going to encourage this kind of response by banning you and keeping you from coming back if you calm down and decide you want to come back.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
== white snake possession ==
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Your a great addition to this wiki and deep down i don't think anyone wants you to leave. The wiki needs you. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 17:38, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
Could you please translate what Oro says about that throat snake no jutsu in latest chapter? Thanks--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:15, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Seelentau-san, what's going on?! I was held at school, so I couldn't come on the wiki until now, but from what I understand, you're leaving? Why?! The wiki needs, and I'll be really sad if you leave. :(--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 02:26, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thank you :) so the translation doesn't differ any from what we've got already--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:53, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== Apology & Question ==
   
== Episode 319 translations ==
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So, first, I would like you to know that, though I disagreed venomously with your analysis of the Jiton (and still do), I do not harbor any ill will towards you. I'm glad you decided to stick around because, truth be told, you were right about one thing: you are a pretty unbias reader of the series. Doesn't mean I agree with some of your explanations, but I'd be wrong not to say as much. I never wanted to drive you from the wiki because, as many others have expressed, you are very much needed here and it would truly be a loss for the wiki without you around. If you still dislike me, well, I can't help that, but I do want to extend to you an sincere apology for letting my frustration with everything get the best of me. I miss the days when we, as a site, could sit down and discuss conflicting ideas without feeling the burning desire to tear each other's throats out and I know you feel the same.
   
Hi Seelentau, if you have a spare time, could you check the corrected kanji and rōmaji of [[Chiyo]]'s [[Reverse White Secret Technique: The Uematsu Collection of Ten Puppets]]? (Especially the Uematsu's part since the subtitles referred it as "Esematsu"). Thanks in advance —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:33, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
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That being said, I have an honest question for you in regards to the Gudōdama. We're both aware of how contentious that debate is, and the fact of the matter is, we're banging our heads into a wall over some fairly simple questions. It is my belief that Kishimoto finally gave us the natures for the Gudōdama (regardless of the user; the technique itself) with Black Zetsu's remark. I realize that some disagree with me on this point, and you might too, which is the point of my question:
:Any chance it's 蝦夷松 ezomatsu? Or maybe one of [http://tangorin.com/names/e*matsu these]? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:21, July 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== how could... ==
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''After examining the RAW of Black Zetsu's text, and knowing what previous characters have said in regards to the Truth-Seeking Balls, do you think that ''solid'' manga evidence suggests that each user's Gudōdama is of a different and unique composition? Or do you think that the technique, like any other technique, is composed of the exact same elements?''
   
Hashirama recognize Rinne Tensei?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:20, July 4, 2013 (UTC)
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That question seems to be the only one keeping us from finally putting this whole TSB debate behind us once and for all. Let me be clear, I don't care either way. I have my beliefs, but if the manga says something, we obviously need to document it. If its still too ambiguous, we wait, but recently it was decided that every user had the same natures except Naruto, whom the consensus said should have every nature but Yin-Yang, due to a few user's absolute refusal to believe he can use them. I just want the issue behind us. So, regarding that question, what is your thoughts? (And for any third party reading this, please don't butt in. Its rude to barge into other's conversations.) ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Wow, didn't expect that one ^_ a response I mean, but better late than never I guess, thanks. Can you provide some evidence for the Shinigami not being an entity? A line from databook/manga that suggest either way would be nice, unless there's none and it's just your sentiment :P --[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:16, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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: I suppose the only logical thing to do then is to wait, and, as you said, record what we know. Madara did say something about being surprised that Naruto wasn't erased when he blocked his Gudōdama, and thought that it might have something to do with him being heavily wounded (having not noticed his senjutsu enhancement yet), so I assume that means his can too. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:40, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
And that's quite logical, but sealing techniques seal/unseal stuff, not create ghosts. Also the "only the summoner and the ones getting sealed can see it" is fishy, doubtful it's just chakra manifested. Not to mention if it were true then once the technique ends it ceases to exist, the contents would have been gone for good. And yet, Shinigami summoned by Oro contained souls of Hokages. So if it isn't real, where exactly did the souls go once the Shinigami vanished, eh? :) Just a speculation on my part, but deities are so-said Omnipresent. There's no need to summon it, death is always present ;D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:24, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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:: I believe the evidence is there for Jiton. Using context clues and making an assumption are two different things. With the TSB, I understand the convolution, but there really is nothing like that for Gaara, Shukaku, and the other Jiton users. If you go back and read all of related chapters (even some of Gaara's words in his fight with Kimimaro) its quite apparent that's what Kishi intended. TheUltimate3 and the others have a valid point when they say Kishimoto won't tell us everything. Like any author, he's going to assume that we have the necessary material to put two and two together to get four. In areas where its murky (I believe that 3 out of 4 users of TSB having consistently all the same thing isn't murky, but I can see why you and others do), we can just do our best and record only what has been flat out told to us, but in areas where its pretty much obvious, we need to be readers, no Kishi's editors, and do the math. That's just my opinion though. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
You said that. A mask indeed was used to summon it, how do you explain that? The mask most likely was created long before Minato and Hiruzen used the technique. So since as you say it's the same Shinigami, then in one form or another it must be real and reside somewhere.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:33, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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::: Its pretty simple: does the manga support it, or is the evidence too flimsy to hold up? If someone can show me page, after page, after page, after chapter, after interview, after quote, etc, ect, that something is a certain way in the manga and it all holds up: add it. There's nothing wrong with that. Jiton is one example of that. When Gaara's father displayed the ''exact same rings'' as his son in his eyes, Kishi was basically handing us that information on a platter, regardless of whether we think so or not. If weren't a contributor to this wiki, and was just reading this manga to myself, that would've been an "''Aha!''" moment for me, because I'm the type of reader who will connect information. That's part of reading a story like this and its enjoyable when the author wants you to notice something rather than slap you in the face with information all the time. Sometimes, they want you to find it yourself, and I have fun looking for it. But if someone tells me that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells, for example (this was an actual argument), just because Kabuto said he used his studies of Hashirama's cells to heal him, and that's the ''only evidence they give me'', I'm going to wave them off and call crap on it.
   
Come on, not that again, the "new NB" I mean ^_ it's more people that make up the editing community, of course there are going to be disagreements. Also I don't see speculation getting a pass, quite the opposite, as of late more and more people are against "speculation" or even well based "evidence"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:55, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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::: That's why I, personally, wasn't involving Science in the Jiton debate (yes, I know others were). Kishi says he sucks at Science. We don't know how much he sucks (he obviously thought that Sakura's method of keeping Naruto alive was legit, for example; it wasn't. Punched through a rib and a lung scientifically), so its an assumption to say he'd even know what diamagnetism is. To him, it literally could've been as simple as "Hey, I want [insert Jiton user here] to magnetize this!" and that's it. But the manga itself held up, in my view, consistently. So to answer your question in one concerted effort: Where do we draw the line? If the manga supports it, and we can give enough references to back it up, add it. If it doesn't hold up or the references are too flimsy to use? Wait. That's how I see it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:00, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
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:::: That's where consensus comes in. Its one thing if one or two people are seeing the same thing. If three, four, five people are all seeing the same thing based on the same evidence, you've got one of two things going on: mass hysteria, which is unlikely, or something legitimate is being presented. I mean, the consensus, prior to your analysis on Jiton, was literally unanimous. Even in the recent debates, I only saw Elveonora and Munch (can never say his full username) that still saw things similarly to you (Elve had his own ideas, but that's getting more and more common lately). And what's more, we were all seeing the same evidence. The same consistency. The same patterns and the same context clues. In those cases, consensus is our best option. If there isn't one, then obviously the evidence is too flimsy. You'll see me doing the same thing. Where I'm on the fence with something, or want to believe something, but the current evidence just doesn't hold up, so I'll ask to wait on it. I have no problem waiting when the information isn't there. Its when we literally have the answer ''right in front of us'' and we're screaming at each other over the stupidest technicalities that I start having issues. As for "grasping for straws", I shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon, and I apologize. I let my frustration get the better of me. But there are cases of that. The debate on whether or not Naruto could use certain elements through his connection to the Bijū, for example. We had ''one user'' who just refused to let it go through and was even reverting the edits once the decision was made out of nothing more than his own stubbornness to give in. ''That'' is grasping for straws and when that happens, we obviously need to deal with the user in question, because that's a person problem, not a wiki issue. So, yes, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yes, do you like my profile picture? :D jk. Well, you might have missed the Shima&Fukasaku age stuff, nothing to add to that? Other than that, nothing I worry my brain about currently. But if anything shows up, I know where to find a reliable guy :D thanks--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:08, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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::::: If the manga supports it? Absolutely. Kishi may retcon or correct facts later, but you can't tell a group of users who have reference after reference from the manga supporting their argument that they are wrong. Their basis is the manga. No different from anything else we add on this wiki. I mean, if we can't use the manga to prove our points, and get stuff done around here, we might as well lock the entire wiki until the series ends and the last databook comes out. We have to do something, Seel. Its not like we're saying, okay, add whatever you want to the wiki! We're saying, "If you have credible, consistent (direct confirmation works too, obviously) and the consensus sees it, then we add it. If you don't, we wait." That's not a bad system. It literally requires manga evidence, which is what you want in the first place, correct? Like I said, Kishimoto isn't going to tell us everything on a neon billboard. No author anywhere does that, so we shouldn't expect him too either. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Would be nice, I hate when information gets purposely ignored--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:20, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sorry to butt in... ==
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But I had to tell you this. I overlooked your messaging with TTF, and you asked if Madara ever negated something with his TSBs. He did actually, in chapter 665, page 12 when he cut off Minato's left arm with his TSB. Minato's left arm never grew back, just like Obito did with Minato's right arm. So yeah, Madara's TSB also has Yin-Yang Release. Again, didn't mean to butt in and be rude, that's why I created a separate headline on your page, but I was just trying to help. :) Glad you haven't left the wiki, that would have been a blow to Narutopedia. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Of course they do, Madara is a known YYR user since he had told Obito he would teach him just that--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tobirama and body flicker references ==
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== SPS&Rinnegan ==
   
Hey, when you have the time could you please translate what the Second says upon his arrival onto the battlefield in chapter 631 and what he days again after seeing Minato cut Obito down in chapter 637.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:07, July 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Not entirely:
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* both Naruto and Sasuke received power from Hagoromo which allowed them to awake SPST and Rinnegan respectively (I originally thought it was because of Hashirama stuff alone), so having 9TBs chakras by itself wouldn't give him SPST without Hagoromo's touch--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks for that.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:50, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
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I mean latest chapter made it clear that Hagoromo has to do with their SPST and Rinnegan (so the tattoos weren't the only things he gave them) but Hagoromo didn't give Naruto TB chakra, they themselves did and Obito did the remaining 2. So whatever Hagoromo gave Naruto is the "missing piece" to the puzzle.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Translation clarification ==
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Talk about coincidental timing 0_0 we messaged each other at the same time :P
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And yes, latest chapter makes it seem Hagoromo has to do with their powers, but you may figure out otherwise once you get your hands on the raw or so. And even though Madara didn't meet Hagoromo, he was TT jinch. TT is 9TB + x, the 'x' being what allows Six Paths Sage Technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:21, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hey could you have a look on the Byakugan and Shukaku's talkpages at the most recent discussions. We need a bit of clarification on what exactly Kakashi says about the dōjutsu and whether or not Gaara called the beast the reincarnation of a [depraved] priest. There are links to the raws for your convenience.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:49, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Hagoromo said that giving power only to one of them resulted in Ashura and Indra rivalry, giving power to both Naruto and Sasuke didn't fix it tho. So if the only power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were the tattoos, then either Ashura or Indra must have had one or both tattoos as well. Unless he was talking about different thing than the tattoos--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:27, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks! --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:00, July 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Yes, Indra was already born with strong chakra and Ashura's eventually matured/bloomed as time went on. But birth inheritance isn't gift, unless Hagoromo created Ashura weak and Indra strong with Creation of All Things. So I suppose what the original gift refers to is Ashura's "battle avatar" Hagoromo likely gave Ashura Six Paths Senjutsu. Indra wasn't given anything, thus had only Sharingan. This time around, Hagoromo not only has given Ashura's incarnate Six Paths Senjutsu, but Rinnegan to Indra's incarnate as well. This way it makes sense--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
I believe I might have asked this already (not so certain atm) but what's your feedback on the whole "shinigami and jashin = characters?" thing? In my opinion, the latter may not even be real, so shouldn't be treated as one, but the former is. And I have to ask, do the databooks/manga suggest that the Shinigami is an entity or otherwise? Cerez's opinion is it to be just a manifestation of a technique or something. I ask because I presume yours to have read them quite a few times and having both vast material and knowledge of Japanese at your disposal, maybe you could help.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:45, July 14, 2013 (UTC)
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But Ashura eventually became equal to Indra. Hagoromo says giving power to one caused rivalry, so that doesn't seem like it refers to one of them having been born stronger. Hagoromo had no input about how their genes would turn out. Also I believe in an older chapter this is referenced and Hagoromo says he gave power to Ashura, so giving power to Ashura made him stronger than Indra thus caused trouble and as such can't refer to their birth inheritance, since Ashura was the weaker one originally. But you are the translator, so you may know better--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:52, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Naruto Raws ==
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So Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke successorship to Ninshu? That's it, Hagoromo made a clear parallel between giving power to Naruto and Sasuke and having given power just to Ashura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
The site where i used to get the Raws was shut down, where can i get some raws now? Help me @Seel xD. [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 16:52, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Call me dumb but i couldn't find anything :/. Could you post the link? Thanks :). [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 17:29, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: Done already, thanks :). [[User:Dan.Faulkner|Dan.Faulkner]] ([[User talk:Dan.Faulkner|talk]]) 18:42, July 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Hello, needing a translation ==
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Yes, I think in the latest chapter. But you may want to take this to relevant talkpage for everyone to chime in.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hello Seelentau, I hope I'm not disturbing, but I'd like you to give me the exact translation of the phrase Sasuke said at the end of chapter 553, when he awakened the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan by killing White Zetsu with Susanoo and Amaterasu.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 08:41, July 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Six Paths for Kaguya ==
   
== A translation request ==
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I thought it was agreed that Kaguya has no involvement to the Six Paths or any related techniques.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 10:05, September 11, 2014
   
Hi senpai, I need your work for translating the last panel of today's chapter [http://i.imgur.com/2AYsJBb.jpg here] especially the last two lines in the bottom. Thanks [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 17:46, July 24, 2013 (UTC)
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I believe it was during the discussion of the Truth-Seeking Balls.[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 10:11 September 11, 2014
:Thanks, I thought that Naruto will take a break on the next week. But seems to me it's wrong, the next issue will be released on August 5, 2013 as stated from Ohana. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 17:00, July 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Second Hokage creating the FTGT ==
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== stuff ==
   
Can you check if the raws supports [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Flying_Thunder_God_Technique?s=wldiff&diff=0&oldid=810616 this claim]? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 14:01, August 1, 2013 (UTC)
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Rikudou Rod etc. were also used I believe, but by Naruto and he likes to give weird nicknames.
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In my honest opinion "six paths" simply means Hagoromo, thus six path's means Hagoromo's.
   
== MS help ==
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* Hagoromo's Senjutsu (his Senjutsu)
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* Hagoromo's Chakra (his chakra)
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* Hagoromo's Power (his power, unspecified)
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* Hagoromo's Yin Power/Yang Power (his power, specified)
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* Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei (specialized version of the technique)
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* Hagoromo's Technique (his personal technique with the Rinnegan)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:31, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Can you take a look at [[Talk:Mangekyō Sharingan#Enhanced perceptive|this]] please? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 18:54, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Yes. But within the context of what we know, all six paths stuff = hagoromo stuff. There's no way to figure why he is six paths and what it is tho. We may need a databook for that. And I think your list should be complete, I don't recall any other six paths good job--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:06, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yeah, that should be it. Page 8 right? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 18:55, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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You did, but honestly, half the terms most likely refer to the same thing. Also in case you would, then be so nice and give some input to these:
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Nature_Transformation#Something
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#So_just_as_I_was_saying
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#kekkei_mora
   
== Chapter #641 stuff ==
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Thanks in advance. The first, Six Paths Yin/Yang Powers were never called Yin and Yang nature releases, were they? The second, I believe you also know that Naruto is just a pseudo jinchuuriki of 1-8 TBs and not a full one. The third, is Naruto even an user of kekkei mora? He asks the Tailed Beasts for the natures, so he doesn't know how to use them himself. Therefore I think it's nonsensical that he has the ability to merge all natures that he can't even use, not to mention it has a genetic vibe to it, therefore in my opinion only Kaguya and Hagoromo should be considered users, not her jinchuuriki--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:17, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi senpai, could you help for translating the chapter title as well as Tobirama's and Minato's technique? Also could you claim your opinion that Tobirama is the creator of FTGT as well as about [[Talk:Scorch Release: Halo Gale#Delete|this talkpage]]? Thanks.. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 23:46, August 2, 2013 (UTC)
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That's understandable, but man, If I had to count how many times I wanted to almost leave the wiki ... :P But what would this place be without me, right? :D Anyway:
:Thanks so much, seems Minato lost his speech talent this time. No wonder where did Naruto get his weird ways of speech from?!! LOL xD [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 17:39, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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* I guess you are right. Although that's the reason why I'm wondering, are there things such as Six Paths Yin/Yang Release? :O
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And funny you mention that. The term pseudo worked just fine, until certain people changed it as they deemed fit with "logic" that "when chakra talks, they are full jinchuuriki" or so, like wtf. But I don't think you should be quiet about this, once the raw comes out and it implies that the Tailed Beasts aren't truly within Naruto, then you should let people know.
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And I know. Fact is, our beliefs are to be put in line soon, very soon... as soon as Naruto's TSB clashes with Sasuke or his technique ;) I admit that there's a chance we are wrong, but in my opinion more things imply his aren't all natures. So if we turn out to be wrong, then I will personally apologize to everyone I disagreed with and leave with a tail in between my legs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:51, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Tsunade about Kabuto ==
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== Your opinions on stuff ==
   
In the chapter that Itachi ends the Edo Tensei.. Tsunade says something about Kabuto that sounded kind of fishy. Can you translate it?? Because it seems to me that Kabuto might have been working for Konoha this whole time.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:59, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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I just wanted to say that I completely agree and support all the stuff you say. i agree with your opinion's on magnet release too. Just wanted to let you know that your not the only user that doesnt agree with all the bull shit that gets added. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 00:10, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Butting in :P the thing is, it shouldn't be about an agreement to begin with. If millions of people decide to agree about something that's just plain wrong, it won't become right anywhere but in their own heads. And even if they are right, they still are making an assumption (even if true) thus are jumping the gun, before it's actually known to be true.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
Chapter 591, Page 4. This one http://img.mangahit.com/manga/0916/053698/04.jpg [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:26, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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== Help ==
   
Ok cool. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:31, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
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How do i make articles that don't have a template like for example an article on a book not the volume? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:13, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh ok so he was still an enemy.. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 18:00, August 4, 2013 (UTC)
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no offense taken and i was gonna create articles for the three anime profiles books. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Image Request ==
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== Six Paths ==
   
Hi, Seelentau! Can you make a Doujutsu image for me? It should be yellow, and it should look like Kakashi's Mangekyou Sharingan. If you can, then thanks you! --[[User:DarkGolem700|<span style="font-family:Impact; color:black; font-size:17px;">DarkGolem700</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:DarkGolem700|<span style="color:#92000A; text-shadow:0.5px 0.5px red;">'''talk'''</span>]]</sup> 09:19, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
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In the chapter that Naruto seals Madara's shadows in, he refers to the black rods as the "Sage's Rods". I don't know if that means anything or what the RAW's actually say, but I thought I'd bring that to your attention. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:58, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Chapter 593 ==
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== Re: Names ==
Hello Seelantau! I was hoping you could translate page 5 of chapter 593. He mentions the form he changes into and I think it would help [[Talk:Sage Transformation#Renaming this Article| this debate]]. Thank you in advance. [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 17:47, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Dōjutsu images ==
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I know how and where to look. Currently from [http://senki.kusakage.com/tuika.htm here] and [http://giocox.jp/naruto-r/ here]. I expect both to get more names as the days go by. The links on the first I can only read right when I get Google's cached version, I just look for a video game technique I know they have. Second link will have more movesets as the days go by as well. I got most of the Storm 2, Generations and Storm 3 from their Storm 3 site over at the enormous list I have at [[Forum:Video game jutsu overhaul/sub]]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:38, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hello! Thanks for that translation I asked you some weeks ago, I'm sorry for not thanking you as soon as I could. I hope not to disturb you, but could you please do some dōjutsu images for me, or at least tell me of how to create them?--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 00:00, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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== not very serious, just bored ==
   
:Sorry I thought you were the guy that did the ones on this wikia. Still, thank you very much for answering so fast! See ya.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 10:32, August 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Yet, I've been thinking... most Root remembers were orphans, right? Iruka is an orphan.
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The guy in the [http://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/5287/5287266a17eba8f2e49e4bf5ad5f7f8a279e478.jpg background] looks just like Iruka and I presume that that's [[Hyo]] under the mask. So both orphans, same scar, same hairstyle and hair color, same eye color... same person? :O Too bad it doesn't work since Hyo is 21 years old, rait? T_T--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:26, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
== flying swallow ==
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== Outer Path Fact-Checking ==
   
A little request. Could you please post translations of everything that was said about the technique in databooks? Thanks.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:21, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Hey, I was wondering if you could translate a few things related to the Outer Path abilities when you get a chance.
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* Chapter 565, pages 6 and 10 - Do these seem to attribute the connected vision to Gedō or just controlling corpses with chakra? (The article currently states both are derived from Gedō).
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* Chapter 569, page 2 - Does Obito actually say he'll drag Four-Tails and Naruto inside of himself? This isn't documented anywhere on the wiki, as far as I can tell.
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* Same chapter, page 10 - What does Obito say about his and Nagato's binding power? Is this sufficient evidence that both the chakra receivers and chains are Gedō powers? We currently list the latter as one but not the former, using this page as evidence. (And yes, I'm fully aware that Madara created receivers without the Rinnegan in one instance).
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Thanks.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 23:49, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
Lol, thanks for the effort. With that being said, how come don't we classify Kakashi's raikiri kunai and Danzo's wind kunai as flying swallow?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:08, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry for butting in, but I'm also interested in the Outer Path's connection to the "Gedo Mazo". I remember that you already explained this somewhere, but I can't find the topic.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:49, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
 
==Translate==
 
 
Hey, Seelentau-san! :) Sorry to bother you, but I was wondering if you could help me with something. If possible, could you please translate [http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/9d502c23dd54564e987271d5b2de9c82d0584fcf.jpg this] for me? I only need know the summary for the one titled "pain and ecstasy". Although, I'm not sure if these are actually Japanese scans. Someone told me they were Chinese, but since I can't read either, I was hoping you might help me. Can you please, please, please do it (if it is in Japanese), pretty please~?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 20:38, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I see. Thanks, anyway. :)--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:13, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Translation ==
 
 
Hello! Since I think that the title for the "Jinchūriki Forms" page is kind of plain, I was planning to rename it, and for that I'd like you to translate Deidara's thoughts in the last panel of Chapter 277, page 7. Unfortunately I don't know if there are any available raws of that, but if that were the case, please do!--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 19:11, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:The page is called that because it's a general consolidation article that covers the transformations that ALL jinchuriki undertake. It's not supposed to have some awesome name, it was done so we didn't have a line of pages called "X Jinchuriki Forms", where X is some jinchuriki's name. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 19:14, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
::You're right, but still, I kind of rememeber Deidara saying "is that...the jinchūriki metamorphosis?" in that page, so I wanted to see the literal translation and hopefully get a kind of "official name"...--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 12:11, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I have access to all the raws, so that's not the problem. But he simply says "Jinchūriki no...", leaving the sentence incomplete. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:46, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Too bad then. Thanks though.--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 15:19, August 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== tailed beast extraction?: road to ninja edition ==
 
 
Hi, do you have the movie in Japanese at your disposal or on DVD in English? Seemingly, the way Obito attempted to extract Kurama from Naruto was the same as he did to Kushina and it's suggested to be a doujutsu rather than fuuinjutsu--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:18, August 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Translation question ==
 
 
Hi. How would you translate "飛雷神の術は あいつのために 使ってもらう"? You probably know the context...Tsunade is talking about countering Madara Uchiha's fire-style techniques. Thanks in advance--[[User:Karunyan|Karunyan]] ([[User talk:Karunyan|talk]]) 04:37, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Wood Release ==
 
 
Can you please weigh in [[Talk:Wood Release: Flowering Tree|here]]? I know the discussion is long, but skim through it if you can; there are some important points. At this point, we just need some other opinions as the same users keep tossing it back and forth and, so far, everyone has their own opinions of what's going on. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:16, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chapter #643 translation ==
 
Hi senpai, the raws are out today. Could you provide the the actual translation of the chapter title and [[Earth Release: Earthen Wall|this jutsu]]? The barrier jutsu I think won't be changed, right? Also, could you translate what Obito said about if he lost his ability for using Kamui after becoming the Jūbi's jinchūriki? Thanks so much. [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 16:16, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== tablet stuff ==
 
 
Hello, could you please translate best of your ability what does Madara say when quoting the tablet during his Hash chit chat? Thanks.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 08:49, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
For the movie, circa 1 hour 33 minutes, just right after Obito possesses Menma. Later it can be seen that Kurama is getting extracted from Naruto and the moment he is interrupted by Sakura, it cancels (around 1 hour 34) Also I want your opinion on Yin Kurama = Black Kurama. Even in the movie Naruto comments something like "he can use the full extent of that part of the chakra" (referring to Kurama's) For the tablet, it's either chapter 625 or around... in the Naka Shrine when Hash talks about Madara becoming 2nd Hokage--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:47, August 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks, I was wondering how could Madara come up with Moon Eye Plan by reading that specific line. For the movie dialogue, so can you confirm it indeed suggests the whole Doujutsu thing was done on Kushina and extracted Kurama from her? Actually the very same thing can be seen in the manga, people just assumed those pillars are chains were responsible for the extraction rather than his eye--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:54, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Sasuke's Tsukuyomi ==
 
Hello, Seelentau. Could you please give me the exact translation of what Danzō said about Sasuke's genjutsu in their battle? (Chapter 478, page 3) I'm kinda pissed off at some friends who just continue saying that Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. Pretty please!--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 20:40, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:Then the only thing which states Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi is that page in the Third Databook about Susanoo being the union of Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu, huh. Still, thanks for the answer. Bye bye!--[[User:JOA20|JOA20]] ([[User talk:JOA20|talk]]) 10:22, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Rollback ==
 
Hey, I just added the rollback flag onto your account so you can now use the rollback function to revert anything bad, I feel you are most likely to use this feature properly, as our translator. Enjoy! --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 08:29, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Barrier Encampment Method ==
 
 
How do you think this technique should be translated??--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 20:13, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:So 'Barrier Method Formation'?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 20:27, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Thanks.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 20:38, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Naruto's chakra levels ==
 
 
Be that kind, were they stated to be twice of Kakashi's or four time Kakashi's?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:48, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks. There may be a misinterpretation on either side. Not 100% certain but it seems SuperSaiyan believes that Naruto's own chakra is 100 times larger than Kakashi's and it was only twice because most of his was used to suppress Kurama's. The general understanding is that the 100 times part was with Kurama's included.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:19, August 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Translation Request ==
 
 
Hey, I know you've been bombarded with these lately, but I think I found something that can settle our little Chakra Receiver debate. Can you please translate Chapter 569, specifically what Obito is thinking about the chakra receivers as Naruto tries to pull them out of Son Gokū? In the MangaPanda version of the chapter, its page 10, but with all that fan art they usually put in front of it, I'm not sure what page it'd be in the RAWs. Please and thank you. =) ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:11, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: Thank you much. That just might do the trick. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 22:57, August 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Request==
 
 
Hey, Seelentau-san! :) Sorry to bother you, but I was wondering, when you have free time, could you please translate [http://d-6th.com/blog/ Yana Tobos-sensei's latest blog post, the one that's titled "Volume 17 of Black Butler is Released" in Japanese] for me? Pretty please? I can only get so much from using Google Translator, you know? You don't have to do it now or anything, but if and when you have free, may I ask you to translate it? Please say yes! :D Oh, I'm sorry to bother you about this, since I know you must be busy with other stuff.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 22:02, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Aw, that's a shame. :( Well, all right. I guess I have to find someone else, then. Thanks, anyway.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 22:26, August 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== My apologizes ==
 
 
In case you didn't read it, my apologizes for being a whiny ass.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:08, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Kishimoto's freetalk ==
 
Hello there Seelentau, I'd like to ask you to translate [https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1185017_430028620451918_1159643365_n.jpg Kishimoto's freetalk from volume 66], if you may. There's been a lot of people in the internet claiming that he's saying that Naruto's ending is close [[User talk:Guilherme Abe|Abe]] 21:49,9/8/2013
 
 
== Just wondering ==
 
 
[http://gnedpsych2-winter2010-topic11.wikispaces.com/Japanese+Zodiac On the image at the bottom of the page; What does the symbols between the compass and the animals mean?] [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 09:02, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thanks. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 13:01, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Translation request ==
 
 
Hey, when you have some time, could you please translate what Sakura says about her parent('s) rank while she is on the swing with Naruto. I'm trying to ascertain whether a specific rank was given for either of her parents.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:14, September 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Sorry, I forgot the details. It's in the movie itself so I'm not too sure if you be able to translate it off audio alone. You can check any website for it, or go to a place called [http://www.gogoanime.com/naruto-shippuden-movie-6-road-to-ninja-2012 gogoanime], they have a fast-loading player. I'll remove the link soon because I don't think we're supposed to have it, but it's around the 16 minute mark.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:08, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Dead Demon Consuming Seal: Release ==
 
 
Since the anime already showed the scroll, it occurred me to ask something. Do the kanji [http://images.wikia.com/naruto/pt-br/images/c/c8/Pergaminho_do_Shiki_F%C5%ABjin.PNG at the top of the scroll] actually mean or give some information, or are they just gibberish, like the ones at [[:File:Alliance Headquarters.png|Alliance HQ]]? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:26, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Just to remind... ==
 
 
[[User talk:Shakhmoot/Anime#October episodes|if you have enough time]]. ^_^ [[User:Shakhmoot|<choose><option>http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a553/anaspet06/Shakhmootssign_zps2a261e68.png</option></choose>]][[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sup>(Contact)</sup>]] 13:23, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Verlassen des Wikis Edit

Bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen! Ich verstehe, warum du sauer bist, aber in manchen Fällen muss man einfach über die Ignoranz und Sturheit der anderen hinwegsehen, bis eine glasklare Antwort vom Mangaka kommt (am besten in Form eines neuen Databooks, wann immer das auch sein mag). Aus genau diesem Grund nehme ich an den meisten Diskussionen nicht teil, weil ich Angst hab, mir das Wiki dadurch verderben zu lassen.

Auch wenn wir bis jetzt nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten bitte ich dich, die Sache mit dem Aufhören nochmal zu überdenken. Immerhin bist du meiner Meinung nach eine der wenigen Personen hier mit einem gesunden Menschenverstand, ganz zu schweigen von deinen Japanisch-Kenntnissen. Dein Verlassen wäre ein Verlust für das Wiki, ganz sicher! Norleon (talk) 23:03, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I'd like you to Edit

Request denied. You're upset that's understandable. You want to leave, that is understandable. But I'm not going to encourage this kind of response by banning you and keeping you from coming back if you calm down and decide you want to come back.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 15:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Your a great addition to this wiki and deep down i don't think anyone wants you to leave. The wiki needs you. Munchvtec (talk) 17:38, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Seelentau-san, what's going on?! I was held at school, so I couldn't come on the wiki until now, but from what I understand, you're leaving? Why?! The wiki needs, and I'll be really sad if you leave. :(--NinjaSheik 02:26, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Apology & Question Edit

So, first, I would like you to know that, though I disagreed venomously with your analysis of the Jiton (and still do), I do not harbor any ill will towards you. I'm glad you decided to stick around because, truth be told, you were right about one thing: you are a pretty unbias reader of the series. Doesn't mean I agree with some of your explanations, but I'd be wrong not to say as much. I never wanted to drive you from the wiki because, as many others have expressed, you are very much needed here and it would truly be a loss for the wiki without you around. If you still dislike me, well, I can't help that, but I do want to extend to you an sincere apology for letting my frustration with everything get the best of me. I miss the days when we, as a site, could sit down and discuss conflicting ideas without feeling the burning desire to tear each other's throats out and I know you feel the same.

That being said, I have an honest question for you in regards to the Gudōdama. We're both aware of how contentious that debate is, and the fact of the matter is, we're banging our heads into a wall over some fairly simple questions. It is my belief that Kishimoto finally gave us the natures for the Gudōdama (regardless of the user; the technique itself) with Black Zetsu's remark. I realize that some disagree with me on this point, and you might too, which is the point of my question:

After examining the RAW of Black Zetsu's text, and knowing what previous characters have said in regards to the Truth-Seeking Balls, do you think that solid manga evidence suggests that each user's Gudōdama is of a different and unique composition? Or do you think that the technique, like any other technique, is composed of the exact same elements?

That question seems to be the only one keeping us from finally putting this whole TSB debate behind us once and for all. Let me be clear, I don't care either way. I have my beliefs, but if the manga says something, we obviously need to document it. If its still too ambiguous, we wait, but recently it was decided that every user had the same natures except Naruto, whom the consensus said should have every nature but Yin-Yang, due to a few user's absolute refusal to believe he can use them. I just want the issue behind us. So, regarding that question, what is your thoughts? (And for any third party reading this, please don't butt in. Its rude to barge into other's conversations.) ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:06, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

I suppose the only logical thing to do then is to wait, and, as you said, record what we know. Madara did say something about being surprised that Naruto wasn't erased when he blocked his Gudōdama, and thought that it might have something to do with him being heavily wounded (having not noticed his senjutsu enhancement yet), so I assume that means his can too. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:40, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
I believe the evidence is there for Jiton. Using context clues and making an assumption are two different things. With the TSB, I understand the convolution, but there really is nothing like that for Gaara, Shukaku, and the other Jiton users. If you go back and read all of related chapters (even some of Gaara's words in his fight with Kimimaro) its quite apparent that's what Kishi intended. TheUltimate3 and the others have a valid point when they say Kishimoto won't tell us everything. Like any author, he's going to assume that we have the necessary material to put two and two together to get four. In areas where its murky (I believe that 3 out of 4 users of TSB having consistently all the same thing isn't murky, but I can see why you and others do), we can just do our best and record only what has been flat out told to us, but in areas where its pretty much obvious, we need to be readers, no Kishi's editors, and do the math. That's just my opinion though. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 00:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Its pretty simple: does the manga support it, or is the evidence too flimsy to hold up? If someone can show me page, after page, after page, after chapter, after interview, after quote, etc, ect, that something is a certain way in the manga and it all holds up: add it. There's nothing wrong with that. Jiton is one example of that. When Gaara's father displayed the exact same rings as his son in his eyes, Kishi was basically handing us that information on a platter, regardless of whether we think so or not. If weren't a contributor to this wiki, and was just reading this manga to myself, that would've been an "Aha!" moment for me, because I'm the type of reader who will connect information. That's part of reading a story like this and its enjoyable when the author wants you to notice something rather than slap you in the face with information all the time. Sometimes, they want you to find it yourself, and I have fun looking for it. But if someone tells me that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells, for example (this was an actual argument), just because Kabuto said he used his studies of Hashirama's cells to heal him, and that's the only evidence they give me, I'm going to wave them off and call crap on it.
That's why I, personally, wasn't involving Science in the Jiton debate (yes, I know others were). Kishi says he sucks at Science. We don't know how much he sucks (he obviously thought that Sakura's method of keeping Naruto alive was legit, for example; it wasn't. Punched through a rib and a lung scientifically), so its an assumption to say he'd even know what diamagnetism is. To him, it literally could've been as simple as "Hey, I want [insert Jiton user here] to magnetize this!" and that's it. But the manga itself held up, in my view, consistently. So to answer your question in one concerted effort: Where do we draw the line? If the manga supports it, and we can give enough references to back it up, add it. If it doesn't hold up or the references are too flimsy to use? Wait. That's how I see it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:00, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's where consensus comes in. Its one thing if one or two people are seeing the same thing. If three, four, five people are all seeing the same thing based on the same evidence, you've got one of two things going on: mass hysteria, which is unlikely, or something legitimate is being presented. I mean, the consensus, prior to your analysis on Jiton, was literally unanimous. Even in the recent debates, I only saw Elveonora and Munch (can never say his full username) that still saw things similarly to you (Elve had his own ideas, but that's getting more and more common lately). And what's more, we were all seeing the same evidence. The same consistency. The same patterns and the same context clues. In those cases, consensus is our best option. If there isn't one, then obviously the evidence is too flimsy. You'll see me doing the same thing. Where I'm on the fence with something, or want to believe something, but the current evidence just doesn't hold up, so I'll ask to wait on it. I have no problem waiting when the information isn't there. Its when we literally have the answer right in front of us and we're screaming at each other over the stupidest technicalities that I start having issues. As for "grasping for straws", I shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon, and I apologize. I let my frustration get the better of me. But there are cases of that. The debate on whether or not Naruto could use certain elements through his connection to the Bijū, for example. We had one user who just refused to let it go through and was even reverting the edits once the decision was made out of nothing more than his own stubbornness to give in. That is grasping for straws and when that happens, we obviously need to deal with the user in question, because that's a person problem, not a wiki issue. So, yes, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
If the manga supports it? Absolutely. Kishi may retcon or correct facts later, but you can't tell a group of users who have reference after reference from the manga supporting their argument that they are wrong. Their basis is the manga. No different from anything else we add on this wiki. I mean, if we can't use the manga to prove our points, and get stuff done around here, we might as well lock the entire wiki until the series ends and the last databook comes out. We have to do something, Seel. Its not like we're saying, okay, add whatever you want to the wiki! We're saying, "If you have credible, consistent (direct confirmation works too, obviously) and the consensus sees it, then we add it. If you don't, we wait." That's not a bad system. It literally requires manga evidence, which is what you want in the first place, correct? Like I said, Kishimoto isn't going to tell us everything on a neon billboard. No author anywhere does that, so we shouldn't expect him too either. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 02:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in... Edit

But I had to tell you this. I overlooked your messaging with TTF, and you asked if Madara ever negated something with his TSBs. He did actually, in chapter 665, page 12 when he cut off Minato's left arm with his TSB. Minato's left arm never grew back, just like Obito did with Minato's right arm. So yeah, Madara's TSB also has Yin-Yang Release. Again, didn't mean to butt in and be rude, that's why I created a separate headline on your page, but I was just trying to help. :) Glad you haven't left the wiki, that would have been a blow to Narutopedia. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do, Madara is a known YYR user since he had told Obito he would teach him just that--Elveonora (talk) 09:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

SPS&Rinnegan Edit

Not entirely:

  • both Naruto and Sasuke received power from Hagoromo which allowed them to awake SPST and Rinnegan respectively (I originally thought it was because of Hashirama stuff alone), so having 9TBs chakras by itself wouldn't give him SPST without Hagoromo's touch--Elveonora (talk) 22:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I mean latest chapter made it clear that Hagoromo has to do with their SPST and Rinnegan (so the tattoos weren't the only things he gave them) but Hagoromo didn't give Naruto TB chakra, they themselves did and Obito did the remaining 2. So whatever Hagoromo gave Naruto is the "missing piece" to the puzzle.--Elveonora (talk) 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Talk about coincidental timing 0_0 we messaged each other at the same time :P And yes, latest chapter makes it seem Hagoromo has to do with their powers, but you may figure out otherwise once you get your hands on the raw or so. And even though Madara didn't meet Hagoromo, he was TT jinch. TT is 9TB + x, the 'x' being what allows Six Paths Sage Technique--Elveonora (talk) 10:21, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo said that giving power only to one of them resulted in Ashura and Indra rivalry, giving power to both Naruto and Sasuke didn't fix it tho. So if the only power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were the tattoos, then either Ashura or Indra must have had one or both tattoos as well. Unless he was talking about different thing than the tattoos--Elveonora (talk) 10:27, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Indra was already born with strong chakra and Ashura's eventually matured/bloomed as time went on. But birth inheritance isn't gift, unless Hagoromo created Ashura weak and Indra strong with Creation of All Things. So I suppose what the original gift refers to is Ashura's "battle avatar" Hagoromo likely gave Ashura Six Paths Senjutsu. Indra wasn't given anything, thus had only Sharingan. This time around, Hagoromo not only has given Ashura's incarnate Six Paths Senjutsu, but Rinnegan to Indra's incarnate as well. This way it makes sense--Elveonora (talk) 10:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

But Ashura eventually became equal to Indra. Hagoromo says giving power to one caused rivalry, so that doesn't seem like it refers to one of them having been born stronger. Hagoromo had no input about how their genes would turn out. Also I believe in an older chapter this is referenced and Hagoromo says he gave power to Ashura, so giving power to Ashura made him stronger than Indra thus caused trouble and as such can't refer to their birth inheritance, since Ashura was the weaker one originally. But you are the translator, so you may know better--Elveonora (talk) 10:52, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

So Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke successorship to Ninshu? That's it, Hagoromo made a clear parallel between giving power to Naruto and Sasuke and having given power just to Ashura--Elveonora (talk) 11:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think in the latest chapter. But you may want to take this to relevant talkpage for everyone to chime in.--Elveonora (talk) 11:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths for Kaguya Edit

I thought it was agreed that Kaguya has no involvement to the Six Paths or any related techniques.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:05, September 11, 2014

I believe it was during the discussion of the Truth-Seeking Balls.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:11 September 11, 2014

stuff Edit

Rikudou Rod etc. were also used I believe, but by Naruto and he likes to give weird nicknames. In my honest opinion "six paths" simply means Hagoromo, thus six path's means Hagoromo's.

  • Hagoromo's Senjutsu (his Senjutsu)
  • Hagoromo's Chakra (his chakra)
  • Hagoromo's Power (his power, unspecified)
  • Hagoromo's Yin Power/Yang Power (his power, specified)
  • Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei (specialized version of the technique)
  • Hagoromo's Technique (his personal technique with the Rinnegan)--Elveonora (talk) 20:31, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. But within the context of what we know, all six paths stuff = hagoromo stuff. There's no way to figure why he is six paths and what it is tho. We may need a databook for that. And I think your list should be complete, I don't recall any other six paths good job--Elveonora (talk) 21:06, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

You did, but honestly, half the terms most likely refer to the same thing. Also in case you would, then be so nice and give some input to these:

Thanks in advance. The first, Six Paths Yin/Yang Powers were never called Yin and Yang nature releases, were they? The second, I believe you also know that Naruto is just a pseudo jinchuuriki of 1-8 TBs and not a full one. The third, is Naruto even an user of kekkei mora? He asks the Tailed Beasts for the natures, so he doesn't know how to use them himself. Therefore I think it's nonsensical that he has the ability to merge all natures that he can't even use, not to mention it has a genetic vibe to it, therefore in my opinion only Kaguya and Hagoromo should be considered users, not her jinchuuriki--Elveonora (talk) 21:17, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

That's understandable, but man, If I had to count how many times I wanted to almost leave the wiki ... :P But what would this place be without me, right? :D Anyway:

  • I guess you are right. Although that's the reason why I'm wondering, are there things such as Six Paths Yin/Yang Release? :O

And funny you mention that. The term pseudo worked just fine, until certain people changed it as they deemed fit with "logic" that "when chakra talks, they are full jinchuuriki" or so, like wtf. But I don't think you should be quiet about this, once the raw comes out and it implies that the Tailed Beasts aren't truly within Naruto, then you should let people know. And I know. Fact is, our beliefs are to be put in line soon, very soon... as soon as Naruto's TSB clashes with Sasuke or his technique ;) I admit that there's a chance we are wrong, but in my opinion more things imply his aren't all natures. So if we turn out to be wrong, then I will personally apologize to everyone I disagreed with and leave with a tail in between my legs--Elveonora (talk) 21:51, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Your opinions on stuff Edit

I just wanted to say that I completely agree and support all the stuff you say. i agree with your opinion's on magnet release too. Just wanted to let you know that your not the only user that doesnt agree with all the bull shit that gets added. Munchvtec (talk) 00:10, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Butting in :P the thing is, it shouldn't be about an agreement to begin with. If millions of people decide to agree about something that's just plain wrong, it won't become right anywhere but in their own heads. And even if they are right, they still are making an assumption (even if true) thus are jumping the gun, before it's actually known to be true.--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Help Edit

How do i make articles that don't have a template like for example an article on a book not the volume? Munchvtec (talk) 18:13, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

no offense taken and i was gonna create articles for the three anime profiles books. Munchvtec (talk) 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Edit

In the chapter that Naruto seals Madara's shadows in, he refers to the black rods as the "Sage's Rods". I don't know if that means anything or what the RAW's actually say, but I thought I'd bring that to your attention. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:58, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Names Edit

I know how and where to look. Currently from here and here. I expect both to get more names as the days go by. The links on the first I can only read right when I get Google's cached version, I just look for a video game technique I know they have. Second link will have more movesets as the days go by as well. I got most of the Storm 2, Generations and Storm 3 from their Storm 3 site over at the enormous list I have at Forum:Video game jutsu overhaul/sub. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:38, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

not very serious, just bored Edit

Yet, I've been thinking... most Root remembers were orphans, right? Iruka is an orphan. The guy in the background looks just like Iruka and I presume that that's Hyo under the mask. So both orphans, same scar, same hairstyle and hair color, same eye color... same person? :O Too bad it doesn't work since Hyo is 21 years old, rait? T_T--Elveonora (talk) 12:26, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Outer Path Fact-Checking Edit

Hey, I was wondering if you could translate a few things related to the Outer Path abilities when you get a chance.

  • Chapter 565, pages 6 and 10 - Do these seem to attribute the connected vision to Gedō or just controlling corpses with chakra? (The article currently states both are derived from Gedō).
  • Chapter 569, page 2 - Does Obito actually say he'll drag Four-Tails and Naruto inside of himself? This isn't documented anywhere on the wiki, as far as I can tell.
  • Same chapter, page 10 - What does Obito say about his and Nagato's binding power? Is this sufficient evidence that both the chakra receivers and chains are Gedō powers? We currently list the latter as one but not the former, using this page as evidence. (And yes, I'm fully aware that Madara created receivers without the Rinnegan in one instance).

Thanks.--BeyondRed (talk) 23:49, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but I'm also interested in the Outer Path's connection to the "Gedo Mazo". I remember that you already explained this somewhere, but I can't find the topic.--Elveonora (talk) 09:49, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

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