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Seelentau

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  • I live in Germany
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== Chapter 621 translation ==
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== ugh, Rikudou Senjutsu ==
   
Hi Seelentau, I want to ask about the third missing kanji of Hashirama's Hotei no Jutsu, have you found it? And about Hōbi no Jutsu, is it better to move the page to its literal name? or that's better? —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:31, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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* I don't think Naruto is using Sage Mode at all
:Omni-san just added a third kanji for "Hotei", but I don't know if it's right or not. I checked a bad quality scanned panel for this jutsu. So it was unclear for me. And about the naming, let's wait for Viz translation of these technqiues to see what are the appropriate translations for that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:07, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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* Rikudou Senjutsu is what Hagoromo gave to Naruto, the mode in question was called Sage Transformation by Madara--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 08:52, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Unconfirmed Kanji ==
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Sorry, but I sincerely believe that you are wrong this time. Rikudou Senjutsu is what Hagoromo gave to Naruto, it doesn't sound like a name of a transformation at all. It doesn't make sense for only Obito's version to be called Sage Transformation since it's the same thing--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:27, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, but I added the kanji form the chapter scripts on [http://naruto-spoiler.seesaa.net/article/332165522.html this webpage]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:53, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
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What's with the attitude? You can't just change something as radical and say "full stop end of discussion" Madara even said it's a power, not a transformation/mode.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:43, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Veil of Cat Fire ==
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Don't take this wrong, but knowing a language and having good reading comprehension/understanding context are two different things. You can't just put words into Madara's mouth and pretend that he meant what you think he meant. All he said was that Naruto got Rikudou Senjutsu and that he possesses the same power, no mention of cloak/form/mode/transformation/anything.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:22, April 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
From [http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/naruto_storm3/images/system/03/06utakata/02.jpg here], I think I found the missing kanji from {{translation|?炎猫火||Ten'en Byōka}}: 纏. Is that the one? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:30, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Rikudou Senjutsu is one of the things that power Naruto's form, but the form itself isn't called Rikudou Senjutsu. Sage Transformation sounds much more like a name of the form. Think logically, Hagoromo didn't give Madara anything, he got it by becoming the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki, so you think Shinju gave Madara "Rikudou Senjutsu" ? ._. I interpret it as "Hagoromo's Senjutsu" with Rikudou simply being short for Rikudou Sennin.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:03, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
:So, "Wrapping Blaze Cat Fire" or "Wrapping Flame Cat Fire"? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:25, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Kanji ==
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So Madara got "Rikudou Senjutsu" from the Shinju? Also again, it's illogical for the staff (which is just the truth seeking balls technique in another shape) to be called a transformation while the actual transformation being called a technique :D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:24, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Seelentau, ich find's zwar mittlerweile schon komisch sich hier auf deutsch zu unterhalten, aber was soll's! Ich arbeite als admin momentan auf einem anderen wiki aktiv mit und wir stehen gerade vor einem kleinen Problem. Viele Familiennamen werden ja in Japan mit Kanji geschrieben und jedes Kanji kann dabei unterschiedlich ausgelegt werden. Betrifft das auch die Vornamen? Die Namen in Hiragana zu schreiben wäre falsch, nicht wahr?
 
   
Daher frage ich dich, da du anscheinend auf diesem wiki mit am meisten japanisch verstehst (Hut ab dafür). Weißt du irgendeine Seite im internet, mit der man die Namen ermitteln könnte? Oder eine andere Methode? Wenn nicht, isses nicht schlimm, aber es würde auf jedenfall ungemein helfen! ;)
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Also the [[Six Paths Sage Technique]] says things much close akin to my own interpretation of it, the infobox even has the eyes, not the cloak--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:34, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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Okay, but how is a cloak/form whatever from chakras of all 9 Tailed Beasts and Senjutsu chakra a "Rikudou Senjutsu"? The technique used with the form is [[Truth-Seeking Ball]] and you say Madara called Obito's staff which is just the ball technique variant a Sage Transformation. How don't you see it's illogical for a jinchuuriki form to be called a technique and for a technique it utilizes to be called a transformation? To me at least, it's obviously in reverse. The Truth Seeking Balls are more of a Rikudou Senjutsu if you ask me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:40, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 11:10, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Still illogical for a technique (TSB) to be called a transformation and for a transformation (the cloak) to be a technique. Also one way or another, the article made by the guy disagrees with your explanation, so it should either be modified or removed--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:48, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
:Nun, wie die Kanji aussehen, weiß ich und auch, wie sie auf Romanji (heißt das so?) geschrieben werden. Ich wusste nur nicht, wie und worüber man Kanji erstellen kann. Die Seite, die du mir gegeben hast, sollte mir aber weiterhelfen können. Vielen Dank! ;)[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 15:06, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Sage Mode Thoughts? ==
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I don't blame you, the whole thing is damn complex and confusing, but I'm sure one way or another, the information we currently present is wrong T_T damn Kishi, why u no explain properly?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:58, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
What's your opinion on the whole Sage Mode issue on its talk page? Do you think there are distinct types of it or something else (like me)? There's no general agreement, so we can't restructure the article until there is one. You know of anything in the manga to (somewhat) clear this up? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 01:05, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
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== Spiral Zetsu to Guruguru ==
   
Thanks for the response, that's basically what I was thinking. Oh, and sorry about that section spam. My phone must've gone derp when I submitted it. :o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:22, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
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I apologize for being late to the party, but which raw (chapter) was used to find its name? --[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 18:04, April 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Name Mean/Translate? ==
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==Six Paths Sage Technique==
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When and where exactly was the discussion for Naruto's new form to be a new page, if there was one? I'm not gonna edit anything either way, I'm just simply asking. [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 23:01, April 28, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
   
Hi, comrade Seelentau. This is my first time talk to u, nice to meet u ^_^.
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Hi! May I know why my contribution to Kakashi Hatake's Wiki page has been deleted?
I just read in ur profile that u know some Japanese things. Can u (if u want or not busy) transate some names for me? THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 15:37, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yeah. Ok thankyou. Here:
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[[User:Seifu10|Seifu10]] ([[User talk:Seifu10|talk]]) 12:25, April 30, 2014 (UTC)Seifu10
# Jinpachi Mishima = 三島 仁八
 
# Heihachi Mishima = 三島 平八
 
# Kazuya Mishima = 三島 一八
 
# Jin Kazama = 風間 仁
 
# Jun Kazama = 風間 準
 
# Asuka Kazama = 風間 飛鳥
 
# Yoshimitsu = 吉光
 
# Kunimitsu = 州光
 
# Ganryu = 巌竜
 
# Kazumi or Kazume Mishima. (Not sure if this name is actually exist). Or, Miharu Hirano = 平野 美晴.
 
So so so sorry if it's long. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 17:40, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Hi, oh yeah so sorry I forgot, now i added. Can u also only translate this page? [http://www.tekken-official.jp/tag2/chara/unknown.html]. Sorry for disturbing and thank u. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 18:18, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks :)
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:Because it was unnecessary overhyping. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:36, April 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, comrade. Sorry to disturb, I just want to know if u finished the translate. If u busy then took ur time, only when u r free if u wan. I just come to remind, sorry again for disturbing and thankyou ^_^. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 16:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Gattai Ōgi names ==
   
Hi, long time no talking comrade. Comrade, why don't u reply? I'm not angry of course, I just wanna know if u finished it, if I disturb u now then I'm sorry. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 21:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi senpai, today Namco Bandai Japan has released a page about the battle system in the upcoming game. Some of those combination ōgi are named in [http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/naruto_r/system2/ougi.html this page]. Can you translate them in order to create their articles later on? —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 12:27, May 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi again comrade, ok understood, no need to apologize really, u were busy, and thank you very much for the translations ^_^. Could translate the page (link above)? No need for the name only the description, of course of u r free, sorry for disturbing and thank you ^_^. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 06:24, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== Yōton Request ==
   
== Question ==
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[[File:Lava Release Icon.svg|thumb]] Already I ended the icon. I hope that you like.
   
Hi Seelentau, can you translate the title of the upcoming opening song of Naruto Shippūden (ニワカ雨ニモ負ケズ) .. Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:40, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:Sasukeuzumaki|Sasukeuzumaki]] ([[User Talk:Sasukeuzumaki|Mi discusión]]) 12:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)
:Isn't ''Niwaka Ame ni mo Makezu''? Because we need to edit the music article to create this song article. Anyway, here is the [http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/news/news07/index.html#143633 source for the song title]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:51, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That's good, thanks so much ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:50, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Possible rename ==
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== Translate Stuff ==
   
Could you check the audio at [[Talk:Splitting Technique#Rename to Fission Technique.]]? As far as dialogue goes, we might have a name for the technique, similar to Mirage Genjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:15, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi! If you have time, can you translate "[[Katabami Kinzan]]" to English? Thanks! :) ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 10:16, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
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:Thank you! :) ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:springtimeofyouth|RLS]])</sup> 10:47, May 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Madara's brothers ==
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== Jonin problem ==
   
What exactly does he say? I still can't get over the fact both scanlations got the number of brothers wrong. Is there any way what Madara said can be interpreted as "we're five brothers" instead of "I have five brothers"? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:49, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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If you have some time, could you take a look at [[Talk:Kagerō#Fuma Jonin|this problem]]? The episode in question is from the original series, number 140, at ca. 16:45. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 18:21, May 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Only chapters ==
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Thanks. [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 13:10, May 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
That's how it's done since before I came around. I presume it's because if you go to the chapter, there's a number and link to the volume. Volumes also list new characters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:30, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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== Chapter 64 ==
   
== Kamui's dimension ==
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In chapter 64, near the end, there's a scene with Hiruzen and Anko. Hiruzen asks Anko if the pain in her neck, caused by the cursed seal, is any better. She says "thank you" and say it is. Is there anything there, maybe in the raw, that implies he actually did something to seal the effects, or did she simply get better by being away from Orochimaru and resting? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 19:41, May 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
In chapter 597, page 6 if I'm not mistaken. Kakashi says something like "Ore no Kamui no Jikūkan (something else)". The way he says it, can "Kamui no Jikūkan" be considered a name for the dimension Kamui sends stuff to? There's a discussion in the page's talk about a rename. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:25, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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==Discrepancy with the Shinju's eye==
:Bump. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:05, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
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I want to know your opinion on [[Talk:Shinju#Discrepancy with the Shinju's eye|this]]. [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]]) 00:02, May 18, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125
   
== Sound Four Technique ==
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== Check this out for me ==
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Hey Seel. Mind stopping by Zetsu's talkpage and pitching in your two cents about the topic, ''Dojutsu in Zetsu''? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, -- '''Koto'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 12:47, May 20, 2014 (UTC).
   
What is the exact translation? We currently have it as "Sound Four: Summoning Technique: Four Corner Beast Formation". Kanji and romaji seem to be correct going by Japanese Wikipedia (though they dropped the group's name from the technique's name). 音隠れ四人衆・口寄せ・四獣包囲の陣, Otogakure Yoninshū: Kuchiyose: Shijū Hōi no Jin. First two parts are easy, "Sound Four: Summoning: Four Beasts ??? Formation", but the other part has more translation options. Also, should the Four Beasts part be translated as that? [http://tangorin.com/general/四獣 It has two possible meanings], and both apply: Four different summons ("beasts"), and the Sound Four's standing in each direction being a reference to 四神. Maybe even 四神獣? And I have no idea what would be the [http://tangorin.com/general/包囲 best translation] for 包囲. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:33, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Bump. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:40, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Could you please take a look Mr. Tau? :D ==
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== Kakashi Anbu Hen articles in Pierrot's blog webpage ==
   
[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Snake_and%E2%80%A6 here please]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:57, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi senpai. This week, the official blog of Studio Pierrot has released [http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7608 two] [http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7646 articles] about the latest Kakashi Anbu filler arc. It contains some useful information that reveals the timelines of those characters, you can modify your timeline based on them. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 18:24, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Episode 306 translations ==
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== the shinju infinite tsukuyomi user? ==
   
Hi Seelentau and how are you? I have two question for this episode, the first is what's the kanji of Eyebright that said here? I couldn't find the suitable kanji for that at all. The second is about [[Might Guy]]'s taijutsu technique that used in this episode, what's it? Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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I'd like to know.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:18, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Naruto movie 6 ==
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Considering Kaguya presumably got her third eye as a result of the fruit, which hints that Kaguya's eye and the Shinju's are the same. Also Obito was about to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi with the Shinju's own eye.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:25, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
can you edit the article since you know Japanese --[[User:Roger (UserJmootams brother)|Roger (UserJmootams brother)]] ([[User talk:Roger (UserJmootams brother)|talk]]) 19:42, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Earth Golem ==
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Thank you a lot for your feedback. I suppose it comes down to the topic about what qualifies someone as a legit user. I would say that even being capable of X without having done X still means being a user of X.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:51, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, I found in the Studio Pierrot blog webpage that the [[Earth Golem]]s' name is revealed to be (土牢剛霊無, ''Dorō Gōremu''). What's the exact meaning of its name? —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:49, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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== Kaguya's third eye wasn't named ==
:There's a topic about it in the episode's talk page as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:22, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::While I did not find that talk page, I found the translation for the Kanji: ''Earth Prison Strength Soul Nothingness''. It's a Gairaigo. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:45, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::And about the talk page, check [[Talk:The Vengeful#New information|here]]. Thanks so much ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== chapter 626 ==
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http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:124964 see my latest comment.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:02, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Could you please translate the sound effects? People say Madara put Hashi under a genjutsu, do the last panels support that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:15, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Too bad ^_ I just don't think we should label the third eye as Sharingan, since that wasn't stated--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thank you, please, once it becomes available, we would like that translated I guess ^_ sound effect signs should not be dismissed :P if not raw then viz would do, but that will take a while.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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== Furigana ==
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:Sorry I don't know anything about Japanese and stuff so I might sound completely senseless.
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:Would it be beneficial as well as possible (practically; not technically) to add those to translations in the form: <ruby lang="ja">攻殻 機動隊<rp>(</rp><rt>こうかく きどうたい</rt><rp>)</rp></ruby>
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:You'd need to use chrome/IE to see above properly or [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/html-ruby/ this addon]
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:More info is [http://html5doctor.com/ruby-rt-rp-element/ here]--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 16:06, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
Raws are available now. We also need a proper translation on Hashirama's new technique. As far as Tangorin can help me, it's "Summit/Top/Peak Transformed Buddha". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:02, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::I hate using title; it can't be accessed be touchscreen devices (iPad, mobiles, etc) neither by text-to-speech devices
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::Nor are they indexed by search engines.
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::What I was thinking was to integrate it with our {{tlx|translation}} so users could do {{tlx|translation|'''Sharingan'''|写 輪 眼|4=lit meaning=Copy Wheel Eye|5=viz meaning=Mirror Wheel Eye|6=furigana = うつし わ め}} which will produce Sharingan (<ruby lang="ja">写 輪 眼<rp>; </rp><rt>うつし わ め</rt></ruby>; Literally meaning "Copy Wheel Eye", Meaning (Viz) "Mirror Wheel Eye")
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::Ignore the line-height, it'll mostly be the first line.
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::Adding half a dozen characters doesn't really increase the length of the article''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 14:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks, I meant when Hashi looks up and there appears to be a sound effect, is that rain dropping or something like that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:00, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Technicalities aside what I meant to ask is would it be possible to add furigana for atleast most of the translations we have and would it be worth the effort?--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 09:59, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Awesome, thank you mister :D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::::But would that matter since it would only be read by those understanding Japanese? And I guess Furigana is simpler than that?--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 16:25, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Episode 308 translations ==
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== Kaguya's speech ==
   
Hi Seelentau. If you have spare time, could you give the kanji names and literal meaning for these following techniques from the recent episode:
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I know that she has said only like two sentences since her revival, but is there anything worth of note about her vocabulary?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:56, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
#[[Hayate]]'s [[Secret Sword: Earth Shadow]].
 
#[[Iō (medical-nin)|Iō]]'s [[Earth Release: Flying Stones]].
 
#[[Yūgao]]'s [[Moonlit Night]].
 
Thanks so much. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:54, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Ah okay, take your time. :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== any opinion? ==
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== Re:Raws ==
   
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Madara_Uchiha#creation_of_all_things if any of course, if so, would like to know what you think--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:49, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Couldn't say for sure, but Shueisha started getting a lot more aggressive in targeting copyright violators earlier this year, threatening legal action against people and individuals posting bootleg scans and spoilers before the magazines actually go on sale. Japanese bootleggers also tend to be extremely skiddish (perhaps because the Japanese legal system is so strict), so any sign of trouble and they head for the hills. [[User:FF-Suzaku|FF-Suzaku]] ([[User talk:FF-Suzaku|talk]]) 02:53, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
More input needed, not just from you, but anyone, I find this unconcluded and confusing http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Chakra#life_force_topic I believe you have some original japanese sources at your disposal, is this anywhere specified?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:08, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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:Is that so? I haven't really been following. All I know is that the cover-to-cover scans of ''Weekly Shonen Jump'' have generally been hitting the Japanese filesharing sites a few days after they hit newsstands, sometimes later. [[User:FF-Suzaku|FF-Suzaku]] ([[User talk:FF-Suzaku|talk]]) 09:31, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Episode 309 translations ==
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::I suppose, if someone were to have the presence of mind to download, extract, and redistribute them. [[User:FF-Suzaku|FF-Suzaku]] ([[User talk:FF-Suzaku|talk]]) 20:22, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, I ask you about the country which appeared in this episode. According to the ending episode, it's called {{translation|此の国|Ko no Kuni}}. But I couldn't find a suitable translation. The subtitles referred for it to "This nation". —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:17, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Stupid question, but why don't the scanners release the raws to the public?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:21, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
:Okay, but we have to name this country to create its article. Should it better to called it (Land of This)??!! —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:35, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== ancient Kirin topic ==
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== I can't tell since I suck at japanese ==
   
Just bored, so wanted to explain it to you. In order to "catch" the natural lightning, Sasuke has to use lightning natured chakra, it wouldn't work with ordinary chakra because there's no way it could reach that high, he just links the natural lightning in the sky with a super-weak chidori in hand like a magnet of sorts, shapes it using shape transformation alone and then brings it down using the link. So all in all, chidori/lightning release is needed to tame it, tho the monster itself isn't created with lightning chakra, that's why it isn't called Lightning Release: Kirin and yet it is one 0_o more examples of the same things are: [[Fire Release: Mist Blaze Dance Technique]] and [[Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning]] mist blaze uses natural fire to ignite fire release chakra natured gas and with Asuma's technique, the gun-powder is also coated in fire release chakra and then ignited by natural means. Again, I was just bored so it's for nothing, sorry for spamming ur talkpage :)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:23, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7780
   
== UNS3 ultimates ==
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But is there anything relevant or helpful on this for the timeline or anything?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 05:34, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
So, kanji for some of the ultimates from the game started to appear. I would have waited around a bit longer to add and ask for translations, but some other users already started adding them, so I checked to see if they matched the ones where I could find them. The ones with kanji for now are:
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Thanks Seel, I also noticed that Shisui's height is either wrong, or they just drew 11.5yr old Itachi too tall. Because Itachi was only 170cm when he left Konoha, and there it tries to paint him as 178cm at age 11.5... pretty sure he didn't shrink 8cm in 1.5 years. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 11:41, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
* [[Cat Fire Bowl]]. The very literal translation made this an easy one, but I'd like to put some trivia around the actual cat brazier in it, but I have no idea if it has a mythological or cultural significance to point out.
 
* [[Five-Mountain Jump]]. There was a wrong kanji in it, but I corrected it, and the translation is the same as far as I know, so no need to change anything I think.
 
* [[Freight Bubbles]]. I added the kanji for that one, because someone else had added the wrong ones, but I don't know if the game name is an accurate translation of the Japanese.
 
* [[Lightning Straight]]. I did my best to add the literal translation of the several kanji in it.
 
* [[Rough Sea Splash]]. I moved it from "Rough Sea Spume" when someone added the kanji.
 
* [[Scale Powder Blasting]]. We've had the kanji for that from day one basically, since they were readable in one of the earliest videos of the game.
 
* [[Scorching River Great Eruption]]. Another one I moved from the game name when someone added the wrong kanji. I put the kanji I found in more than one source.
 
* [[Sickle Mist Technique]]. The "Ninja Art" part was dropped, like in many articles. The only thing I'm not sure if it's "-kiri" or "-giri".
 
* [[Storm Release: Black Hunting]]. I added the kanji, put what I believe to be the proper pronunciation of the kanji in the trivia, and added literal English, which could use a more proper look.
 
* [[Sword of Kagutsuchi]]. Kanji were added when videos with good enough audio became available, they're correct.
 
* [[Tengai Shinsei]]. Actual kanji are finally available, and I think this will end up being left untranslated, kinda in keeping with some other Rinnegan techniques, particularly Deva Path ones, which this also seems to be.
 
* Mifune's ultimate is the only new ultimate we still don't have an article for, because we didn't even have the game name for it. The game name for it is "Resident Decapitation", and the only source I have on the Japanese says his ultimate is called {{translation|居斬|いきる|Ikiru}}. I'm certain that in this technique or in at least one of the above there's a pun or word-play I did not find or recognise.
 
   
I'm still going through sites and lists, and I was able to gather a significant portion of the techniques used in the Ultimate Ninja series, though the thread I made about it in the forums is not up to date with what I have, I'm trying to translate as much as I can before asking for help. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
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== Warawa ==
:Like I said, I'm trying to get as many game jutsu kanji done by myself before asking for you to take a look at it, because when I do ask for it, it'll be a lot. I have a 50 page long file where I'm listing everything I can. Most of it is already in a thread I made in the forums, spanning from UN1 through UN5, and UNS, but it's still missing UNI/S2/SG/S3 techniques in the thread. Most of UNS2/G is coming from the site I got UNS3 info, since most characters' movesets didn't change, only bummer is that they all lost a combo in UNS3, so there's usually one technique being left out, but that site still hasn't published all the movesets. I'm also trying to find Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 stuff, since that in the Japanese games, that is sort of what would UN6 would have been (UN4, 5 and that are from the same series subset), but so far all I managed are youtube videos, which are harder to get kanji out of. Something I discovered since making the topic, is that kamakiri, written with the same kama kanji, but using a different kanji for the kiri part, is the word for a praying mantis. I'm sort of wondering in the pun is deliberate, and an indication that the romaji would actually be kamakiri instead of kamagiri. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:54, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Kotoamatsukami ==
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Someone recently added to Kaguya's personality section this pronoun she uses to refer to herself. I can see it in the raw for chapter 680, but what the person added it signifies (nobility) and what tangorin tells me it signifies (humility) is different. Can you take a look? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:58, June 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, wondering why you removed my edit on Kotoamatsukami regarding the decade limitation between uses?... Do you not agree with what I wrote? Thanks. --[[User:UchihaFan|UchihaFan]] ([[User talk:UchihaFan|talk]]) 17:44, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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== re: Enton ==
   
I agree with you that what I wrote can't be proven literally from manga facts.
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No idea at the moment, I still haven't recovered from that reverse harem, but I will let you know once I do ._. Also, what's your opinion on Kaguya and Ten-Tails merger?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Consequently, the following statement from Shisui's page "This genjutsu however, could only be used once a decade, unless the user had a way to augment the process such as with Hashirama Senju's cells, thereby drastically reducing the time required from ten years to only a few hours." would also be circumstantial conjecture at best and not pure manga facts.
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Can you remind be a bit of the Enton topic? It was quite a while back. What I've noticed from the latest chapter though is that the Enton part was omitted and that he can create Kagatsuchi outside his field of view as well--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
There are only two references to the use of Kotoamatsukami by Shisui :
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So Kagatsuchi and Enton: Kagatsuchi are two different techniques... hmm. Makes sense, because in many instances where Enton: Kagatsuchi was used, he didn't use Amaterasu prior. Perhaps this should be taken to the talkpage. And if true, pretty much confirms that Amaterasu is Enton--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
1- Ao fought Shisui and has full knowledge of the ability of his Mangekyō Sharingan.
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I wouldn't hold my breath ^_ and will do.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
2- Shisui tried using Kotoamatsukami to prevent the coup d'etat.
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Well, we tried :( Although you can always document it as intended over at German wiki I suppose--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
At the time of his death, Shisui was about the same age as Itachi : around 17 years old... If you assume he did not awake his Mangekyō Sharingan before the age of 7 AND that he can only use Kotoamatsukami twice every decade (once for each eye) then you must conclude that the fight with Ao and the coup d'etat are the only two times Shisui used Kotoamatsukami!
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The raw is seemingly out--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:41, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Furthermore, we know the use of Sharigan by non-Uchiha such as Kakashi is very taxing on chakra, thus it is more than reasonable to assume that the use of Mangekyō Sharingan by a crow would be even more so, to the point that it would take a decade for it to "recharge".
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== Re: So... ==
   
What are your thoughts on this?...By the way, if I'm bothering you with my questions, don't worry about it, just tell me to shut up! ;-) Thanks --[[User:UchihaFan|UchihaFan]] ([[User talk:UchihaFan|talk]]) 18:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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There was never peace. Just sysops who were fore more willing to throw their weight to crush opposition when it cropped up. Using only myself as an example, a few years back I would not have quietly entertained Elvenora's repeated beating of a dead dolphin horse over issues that have been solved time and time again. It would have been done and done once, and that would have been the end until something new actually came about to change things. But that is of course just an old man getting caught up in nostalgia.
   
== re:Obito age ==
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Nobody here is untrusting of you or your desire to help. However, you may consider the explosions that (more of often than not follow Elvenora, not you) follow you to be what happens after several odd years of ''blindly'' following ShounenSuki's words because he was the only one who could translate. Essentially it's occupational hazards. More times than not, what ShounenSuki had stated went down because he was the only one who was sure what was actually said. And, I know I am terribly guilty of this, I was very willing to appease him, because he was the only one who could translate anything and having him gone left us to the mercy of scanlations and Viz. Hell I walk a very, ''very'' thin line as it is in my opposition to any discussion you pick a side on because of that reason. It's also part of the reason, I believe, that why Sysops tend to do far far less now than they used to.
   
Thank you for support ^_ dunno why do people have issues with that. Although, I would like you to check Kakashi's and then Rin and Obito's ninja registration numbers. Is it obviously a retcon, since as of the number, Kakashi was originally to graduate before them, not along with them--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:11, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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As such, typically when you make a translation, it goes. No ifs, ands or buts. For a recent example, Kaguya's Rinnegan. And this is as per ShounenSuki. However, other things, which doesn't involve translations, such as the nature of Blaze Release, and instead can go by everything from interpretation of what we were already told, what we believe based on what know, and just wild mass guessing, that is where things get skewed. Where we would have originally just bowed to ShounenSuki because that's what we did, we know "fight" back so to speak. And even then, you aren't necessarily a "hot button", unlike Elvennora or Ten Tailed Fox. Your position as Main Translator(tm) put's you in high prestige, make no mistake of that. But after coming off of ShounenSuki, it does not make you free of opposition, not anymore.
   
Yes, I obviously know that since I'm saying the same. But Kakashi's ninja registration number is uneven to those of Obito and Kakashi, suggesting difference of years between his participation in the academy and theirs. At least that's how I understand those numbers, Kakashi's is 009720 while Obito and Rin's are 010886 and 010885, suggesting the other two were in the same bunch of graduates--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:31, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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I agree, we need a new calm. But to be a calm one has to be completely and utterly '''neutral''' in all things, and only look at things as black and white from the manga. Never getting into any discussion that has to be interpreted or looked at from 2 or more different angles. Must always be "The manga said this" and that be the end. That is something I don't expect, or want from you because that makes you, for all extensive purposes, a useless editor. Actually being interested in the topic is a good thing, and being able to passionately fight over something is something we could have used years ago if any of us had the balls to actually do something.
   
Do you understand how the Itachiwashero guy counts? I'm not getting his schematics, I don't want to offend and state him to be wrong, even though I'm more or less certain that Obito is around 34 now. Either I'm too dumb or he isn't explaining it properly.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:47, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:And this was a very long write.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:29, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Master Chen ==
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==Two Things==
   
From the Old Man and the Dragon's Eye, during the episode, he's also called "Master Chen". What does: {{translation||チェン老師|Chen Rōshi}} translate into exactly? Lord Tangorin gave me some translations, but they don't quite fit Chen. They only fit if I sort of translate them separately, which would result into something like "Old Master". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:31, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
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===681 Raws===
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I know the raws just came out and I might be rushing you, but what do they say about Kaguya and the Ten-Tails?
   
== Sakumo killing Sasori's parents matter ==
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'''Case 1:'''
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MangaStream:
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Black Zetsus (plural, two entities) says when Kaguya looks at Naruto and Sasuke, she is reminded of "Us," her two sons, implying that these two Black Zetsus were created to remind her of Hagoromo and Hamura.
   
I know there isn't any specific reference for this, but the war had begun before Nagato turned 10 (since then was after when Jiraiya began teaching him and noted him to have mastered all basic nature transformation and shit at that age) and Nagato's age during his death is around 42, unless I'm mistaken. Sasori's parents died before he turned 5 since that's when grandma with wooden hand started to teach him puppetry, so let's say 4. 35 (his age) - 4 = 31.
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MangaPanda:
42 (Nagato's age) - 31 years of difference = 11 and as you may know, Second World War as still raged when Nagato was 11, so Sakumo indeed killed the parents during that war. I'm bringing this up because you have removed that from articles--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Black Zetsu (singular, one entity) treats Hagoromo and Hamura as different people.
   
If we assume the Ame Orphans were about the same age which is safe to I guess, Yahiko died as about 25 years old, SINCE Chouji described him as a man in between 25-30 years old by his appearance, the former being more likely. He died about 17 years before current events during the very end of 3rd Shinobi World War, well... 25+17=42, that's it. Since I doubt Nagato and Konan were older than that, that's their most probable age. Even if it's off by a little bit up or down, Sakumo still killed Sasori's parents during 2nd Shinobi World War for fuc*ing SURE, since it began some time before Nagato's parents died and lasted up to his maturity. Glad I could help--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:38, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
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'''Case 2:'''
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According to the raw, the Ten-Tails is the Shinju ''and'' Kaguya, correct? Both Panda and Stream agree on that, but Elveonora has confused me by say Kaguya is the Ten-Tails, therefore is not a jinchuuriki, but is a tailed beast herself (whatever Elve said, I'm paraphrasing him)
   
Depends, Sasori was 35 as we know. It's not that much of an assumption, let's say Yahiko was rather 30 than 25. 54 (Jiraiya's age) - 17 = 37, I doubt there was only 7 year difference between Ame Orphans and J-man when he began teaching them, that would have made him 17 when fighting Hanzo so improbable, Sannin were like in their early 20's so Nagato and Konan being 42 is a very close approximate rather than assumption. We don't know exactly when 2nd Shinobi World War started, but it was before Nagato turned 10 and lasted up to their maturity. And since there is 7 years of difference between Sasori and Nagato (circa) and the former's parents died before he turned 5, there was definitely a war when Nagato was 11. I mean, it's not completely baseless, is it?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:27, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
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'''Case 3:'''
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MangaStream:
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Black Zetsu claims to have hid Madara's body to study the Sharingan.
   
His article, something akin to Chiyo teaching him puppetry at 5 to compensate for the loss of his parents--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:34, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
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MangaPanda:
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But Black Zetsu says Tobirama was studying Madara's body (which seems more plausible than Stream, but just to be sure)
   
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'''Case 4:'''
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MangaStream:
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Hashirama's flesh was cultivated with the Demonic Statue and prolonged its survival ''and'' The White Zetsus were just there and Black Zetsu escaped.
   
== Archive ==
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MangaPanda:
Hey i would like to ask how can i create an archive?--[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 16:08, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
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He (who?) cultivated Madara's meat with the Statue and tried to live longer ''and'' Black Zetsu claims to have taken out the White Zetsu.
   
== My apologies ==
 
   
Hopefully you don't take a disagreement personally, you can think anything you want about me but you aren't an authority I must agree with, even though I respect you greatly for things you have done for this place and all. I just think in that case, you are seeing more to it than there is. We were told everyone has an affinity and that Uchihas had one for fire, nowhere it suggests the nature itself is hereditary, rather the talent for it is, because if what you are saying was true, then all Uzumakis would share a single chakra nature or any clan with heavy inbreeding for that matter. The reason why Uchihas do is because it's a tradition to use Katon and what's being passed down with the genes is talent, even a person unrelated to Uchiha may have fire affinity.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:50, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
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BTW On my talk page, can you answer these cases like, for example "1) Panda ... 2)Stream ... 3) Neither, the Raw said this ..." and so on?
   
Re-reading some stuff more in-depth, you might be right actually. It would appear that some people's chakra "lean" towards a certain nature. The whole Kakuzu hearts thing hints as such--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:30, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
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Also, between Panda and Stream, which should I trust more in the future? Panda makes some ridiculous mistakes, but Stream has its inconsistencies as well.
   
Hi, I don't know if you get on Fan sites but I currently Run http://naruto-fandom.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Fandom_Wiki. I am now looking for admins on the wikia, and ways to figure out how to let people create characters using the infoboxes you guys have here. Let me know if you could possibly help please.
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===ShounenSuki===
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I saw that long response TU3 posted on your talk page. I went to his talk page and saw the conversation. Why exactly did ShounenSuki leave Narutopedia? I came post-ShounenSuki, so I just want to know.
   
[[User:EmperorSigma|EmperorSigma]] ([[User talk:EmperorSigma|talk]]) 16:14, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
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I know this is a lot, but thanx in advance! [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 02:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
== feedback ==
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According to Shakhmoot, the raws are out. Ask him. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 02:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
   
Just would like your personal opinion on these:
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== Gattai Ougi again ==
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Ten-Tails#species/classification%20again%20... the topic is dead, so just to talkpage please
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Earth_Release:_Earth_Shore_Return#Shinobi%20Alliance something has to be done
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kabuto_Yakushi#the_article_as_is transfusion and transplants do not alter DNA
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Six_Paths_of_Pain#Madara_Says :-/
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Orochimaru#when_head_hit_a_wall a serious one
 
Thank you--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:28, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
So you do in fact agree with some of my sentiments? But this is a wiki, shouldn't be about "who is right" but "what is correct" The only "evidence" they would likely accept is if Kishimoto himself has appeared sitting on their laps, whispering into their ears, while massaging their nipples, this reminds me the whole "is Orochimaru a Sage?" case and many religion-science related topic I have had in the past, I know it's unrelated to this show, but trying to convince fanatics in delusion is pretty much the same.
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Could you get the name for Madara and Obito's ultimate from the new trailer? It's [http://youtu.be/HyfYO2XdKhc?t=2m4s here]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 15:42, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
Still, I'd like to hear at least your personal opinion on topics 1, 3 and 5.
 
The author is limited in how much he can explain things and progress the plot at the same time, the manga chapters are getting shorter and shorter... (no idea why is that, but perhaps it's not selling enough?)
 
Funny, since the topics were brought up because the manga ITSELF says otherwise to what we have listed here.
 
First, it's clear Kishimoto obviously has a pretty clear distinction between DNA and cells. A foreign cell doesn't alter DNA of host cell, at least in most cases not, especially not blood cells, unless it's a parasitic virus. The only thing that blood juice did to Kabuto was the injected cells were trying to defeat Kabuto's immune system, procreate and replace his own cells, but his body WON and reverted the process. Kishimoto EVEN bothered to explain what happened to Kabuto and why he looked like that by drawing Jugo and having him clarify it was a result of Sage Transformation (Jugo's own mutative ability), commenting on Orochimaru's doing, that what he did was absorb the chakra that Kabuto had from Anko and undo his Senninka.
 
So already two-three things are false on Narutopedia:
 
* we state he is a mutant, which is false
 
* that Orochimaru's DNA was responsible for his form, while he purposely took on that form
 
* for this, people get confused ans speculate that he lost these powers, which is false, Orochimaru didn't suck out his blood or anything.
 
   
The one about white-snake guy's sealing is an obvious one, I don't think I have to repeat myself for 50th time. And at last, Jubi's classification as a "tailed beast" is definitely incorrect, I'm 99% sure of that. Not only it's false, but we should update information as more is getting revealed, the latest pieces of information state it's a deity, so we should list it as such. Another thing, [[Demonic Statue of the Outer Path]] and [[Ten-Tails]] should have been merged long ago in my opinion. Sorry if it's too long :-/--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:36, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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== Chapter 684 ==
   
== The big one ==
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Senpai, I found the other techniques' kanji which appeared in this chapter from a spoiler.
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#Naruto's jutsu using Gobi's chakra called 怪力無双
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#Naruto's clone jutsu called うずまきナルト一帯連弾
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#Kaguya's kekkei genkai jutsu called 共殺の灰骨
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#The chapter's title is 殺しておくべきだ
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—[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 11:00, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:If Gobi's technique really is a technique is something I can't say from just that.
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:The clone technique really means ''Naruto Uzumaki Region Combo''.
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:The KG was obvious, I already added it. ^_^
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:The chapter's title is ''We Should Kill Him First'' or so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::unparalleled superhuman strength? sounds like a technique to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Not if it's just part of what Gobi said to Naruto, the way mangastream depicts it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:16, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Well, here it comes. The single, most massive translation check request you'll ever receive. Going through the sources linked and mentioned at forum topic, I have done my best to list pretty much every possible technique in the Ultimate Ninja series. There are still a few to come in, but that depends on the site I get kanji for UNS3 updating. At the moment, all the kanji I can copy and paste from somewhere else is listed and translated. The only specific aid I can still provide, other than answering particulars about some translations here and there, is to link specifically for the UNH3 moveset videos, since that one, I wasn't able to find actual moveset lists that I can copy and paste. Don't hesitate to bug me about it, you'll probably want once you see the size of list, if you haven't already. [[Forum:Video game jutsu overhaul|The list]]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:31, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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== Probability ==
   
== Your skills are required ==
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Is there any for Mei's "Lava" and other users' Lava being two different advanced natures? I mean, does Mei's actually translate as Lava Release and was it anywhere stated that: "oh yeah, her KKG totally is the same as of rubber guy and the jinchuuriki dwarf's and Tsuchikage dwarf granddaughter's"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:19, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
What exactly did Zetsu say about Nagato's relation to the Senju in chapter 606, page 12 should it be? Thank you.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:53, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Perhaps I'm just over-thinking things, because Mei said that she can use Water, Fire and Earth. But Water and Earth is Wood, while Water and Fire is assumed to be Boil. There's no room for a different "Lava" combination :( Unless hers is all 3 natures, but that would be [[Kekkei Tōta]] :P So I guess nothing then. But if Kokuō has Boil Release, what does Saiken have? That's why I thought the slug might have "Lava" Release, but different from Son Goku's. There being differences between Mei's "Lava" and of the others' seemed like evidence to me at first.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:54, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
So the word "descent" is really there? I trust you more than some random forum guy, so I take it Uzumaki are indeed descendants of Senju?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:09, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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You sure? If that's the case, false alarm then :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:59, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
But doesn't lineage go both ways, meaning Uzumaki could have been first? This is his response to your translation:
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== TSB natures ==
* There is no word there that says descend 降りる from Senju Lineage, it says of Senju Lineage/Blood Relations (Kettō), you will never find the descend or descendant Kanji on that text. The Viz Translation uses "of"
 
* We have here the Younger Son who clearly isn't known to have had red hair, in fact if we look at the anime depiction, the hair color is black and none of his shown Senju descendants did have red hair.
 
* Then suddenly there's a "descendant" clan (Uzumaki) of the Younger Son whose pure blooded members (Naruto is half) all have red hair? Impossible. Obviously the Uzumakis like ancient clans practice "inbreeding" that they have always had red hair.
 
   
Taking Biology into account, hair is one of the most consistent genes, and having the same color of hair in a clan who inbreeds is true. It doesn't make sense that a "descending" clan could develop such an unorthodox hair color if the original hair color was a different color. The interbreeding clan (Senju) would have to have red hair, or a strong dominant gene for it, but the Senjus don't, and red hair in itself is a recessive gene in humans.
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Considering that Naruto simply took his TSB and thew it as TBB and it was Wind Release, that in my opinion is enough evidence that TSB aren't 4 natures and Hiruzen was talking about Obito's usage specifically. Naruto's TSB is just Wind Release, what do you think?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:12, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh, also unrelated, but latest chapters again likely wrongly supports that Hashirama had lived long enough to see Tsunade develop super strength, so about her late childhood/early adolescence I would say... unless she was born like that. Databooks suggest one thing, manga SEVERAL others. Chapter cover 303 says that by Part II. it's been 50 years since his death, meaning he died when Tsunade was 4 .__.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:56, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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I just thought that if TSB truly were "at least 4 natures" in the least all the time, then Naruto's TBB would have been whatever release, not just wind :) And yeah, I don't like YYR business either, makes me want to vomit.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:25, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Also isn't Hashirama's god gate no jutsu a barrier technique rather than sealing technique?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:10, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Volume 70 Info? ==
   
You are correct, it's missing in the volume release. This is the only thing I could get http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/132537/1.jpg ... could be photoshopped or otherwise added by anyone but Kishimoto? take a look before it gets deleted :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:55, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
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Yeah, you're right senpai. But the most thing that we don't know about this volume is its title. And for adding techniques and characters, we just add the volume number into the included chapters articles and that should be enough. Hopefully we'll know the title on this Saturday. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:59, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hmm... it's present on all scanlation covers. Anyway, we can be "sure" Hashirama outlived Tobirama 0_o--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:03, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
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== Mind checking this out? ==
   
Tailed Beasts were created in the Jubi's image and share its chakra, their souls were inserted by Rikudou Sennin. Black Zetsu was created in image of White Zetsu, shares his power and is Madara's will embodied. I strongly believe what Madara did back there was Creation of All Things--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:53, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7936
   
Yes. It's about concept, both cases were created from something (Tailed Beasts from Jubi's chakra, Black Zetsu from White Zetsu's body) and forms of both are embodiment of will/imagination - Yin and then blown life with - Yang.
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Does it give any info, like age, timeline, connection, story stuff?? Hopefully we can get something from this. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:09, July 17, 2014 (UTC)
Well, White Zetsus are clones of Hashirama or rather even possibly clones of [[Hashirama's Living Clone]] but as you can see, the latter has no soul/consciousness. Zetsus look NOTHING like Hashirama despite having his DNA, meaning their form was Madara's invention "yin" and he made them alive unlike HLC with "yang" Uchiha Madara in the end, indeed is a lesser version of Sage of Six Paths, also stated by Kabuto.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:59, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
No. Also Tailed Beasts weren't created from Jubi, just its chakra. Seemingly even after the process, some had left since Madara sucked it to stay alive. In both cases, something serves as a medium (chakra, body) Rikudou Sennin didn't have to completely (or almost completely) rid the Jubi of its chakra, it was in order to defeat it. Since only a fragment of each of the Tailed Beasts' chakra is/would be enough to revive it, so would have been a fragment enough to create them in the first place. White Zetsus were definitely created with Yin-Yang release too, not only Madara's statement suggests it, but also [[Swirl Zetsu]] serves as enough of a proof to me, his forms represents... lack of imagination :D He might have been the very first before Madara settled on the final "design"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:46, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
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That link above I thought I put it there the first time... guess I didn't oops [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:48, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
For you it represents a different technique somehow, while to me it seems to be the same thing. The separation part isn't mandatory to the technique. As I said, So6p didn't have to make Jubi an invalid, he could have just used a little bit of its existing chakra rather than permanently removing it from its body and splitting it. But I strongly believe that a medium may be a necessity (not a requirement tho) for Creation of All Things, since there's only as much "imagination" can do. It's easier to do it according to a template/from something than to make nothing turn into existence. Both White and Black Zetsus were created using yin-yang release. Hash's cells as a medium => giving it form and other qualities/attributes with yin => giving it life with yang. For BZ, using already shaped Hash from WZ => turning it into will embodied thus slightly altering its mind and form with yin => giving it life with yang.
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Thanks Seel. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 18:46, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
I know where you think is a difference though. Adam being made of soil/dirt while Eva from his rib? Now, what more reasoning do you still have for Madara not being BS user?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:43, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: moovee ==
   
He did, he didn't take a part of WZ like his rib and made BZ from it, he created BZ only accordingly to WZ to fit him, notice that BZ is different, so there's body forming. He only glued them together, BZ didn't grow from WZ's body--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:10, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks senpai, so the counter will stop on the next Monday at GMT timeline. That also confirms that the huge project which will be announced in the next chapter relates to the movie. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 09:29, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:Yeah, the same time when the issue #35 will be released in Japan featuring Naruto as the leading manga in that issue. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:38, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
I'm saying he didn't grow from his body, by "gluing" I meant that BZ grew in place where WZ has half his side missing. He isn't his alter-ego since they are both separate individuals, so the comparison doesn't work--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:21, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Kaguya riku senjutsu ==
   
You are right. But how does that change being yin-yang release? Even Madara says so. Cool, so WZ's leg was sacrificed to make BZ, they both are still separate entities though. Think of them as of conjoined twins--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:40, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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She flies, or not? Also since she is chakra originate, isn't it fair to assume that powers of her sons are her powers as well?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:44, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
Whatever the case, he used YYR to create WZs, so still not creation of all things?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:07, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, both Naruto and Sasuke got Hagoromo's chakra, one was stated to have gotten Rinnegan the other Six Paths Senjutsu and only the latter floats, so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:16, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
I don't think all YYR techniques work the same, creating stuff and **** therefore it must be the same technique Rikudou Sennin used. Izanagi is Yin-Yang Release too, yet it's not "creation" rather manipulation of tangible and intangible, switching them around. I believe either manga states it's it soon, or next databook will list him, but I think we should list him already now, there's not much harm, is there? EDIT: also I believe GoDai already has an explanation for the whole "shinobi alliance doton users" thingy--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:17, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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How else would have Naruto gotten Six Paths Senjutsu? Also Sasuke said he's got Rikudou's power too.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:35, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Fūtō ==
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Then how did Sasuke get Rinnegan? I'm not sure just some Yin tattoo gave him that--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:28, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
The kanji are taken from the spoiler script found [http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=47360665&postcount=8 here]. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 20:15, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
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Nah. We've been told that Ashura + Indra chakra = Rinnegan. Indra's chakra is already Yinish or something, so Yin+Yin = Rinnegan doesn't make sense to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:48, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Something interesting? ==
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So Sasuke doesn't have the "Ashura part" of Hagoromo's chakra in your opinion?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:52, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
In mangastream's version of 632, they put in these two pages after the colour spread, seems to be a sort of recap about Naruto and Sasuke. In [http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/5526 this] Pierrot blog post, there seems to be something about Road to Ninja and the Prologue to Road to Ninja episode. Something interesting in either of these? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:51, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
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== Help ==
   
== should explain the alliance thing? ==
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Could I get your help with this question?: [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Yin%E2%80%93Yang_Release#Basis_of_All_Ninjutsu.3F Basis of all Ninjutsu?] [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 04:37, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
A nature can be used either as an energy with each having unique properties, or as a material. And according to Godai, using pre-existing source of material (which is more than likely true since it's suggested by usage of techniques) requires less of elemental chakra to manipulate and less skill too.
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==Gantta==
For an example, using nearby water source to form a dragon is less taxing and difficult than what Tobirama did against Hiruzen in manga, creating it from chakra. So same goes for the Earth Wall. Everyone's chakra can be changed into either of the five natures. While it takes years of training to use nature besides one's own affinity, the chakra has since it must have hints of all 5, otherwise it should be possible to change it into anything, not just those main things. The "affinity leaning" must be something contained within cells of an individual which create the chakra rather than the chakra itself, supported by having an organ transplanted giving a nature to the recipient, while getting chakra restored with transfer technique or absorbing it from anyone, DOESN'T grant a new nature. It all supports my understanding ;-) but back to the point.
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This Gantta guy keeps reverting edits on the Kamui page. Can you please tell him that on this wiki, we do things democratically and don't define things to suit any one person's needs? I don't wanna get into an edit war with this guy; he's a new editor and is already becoming annoying. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 16:11, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
So while it may be difficult for someone with Wind affinity to use Fire, Hand Seals should help, since they make control and concentration easier. So in my opinion and I strongly believe it, anyone can create elemental chakra of any x from the 5 natures to a '''lesser''' extent. For example Naruto was told to imagine two forces grinding edges against each other which would thin and sharpen his chakra in order to create stronger and more of wind natured chakra. So perhaps Katon chakra is being created by thinking of sensation of heat? Water by concentrating about wet and imagining waves? Well in short, if the lesser extent is true and with the GoDai stuff, using pre-existing earth from ground made it much easier, while they wouldn't be able to use it like Hiruzen did, spitting it from mouth. As much and you dislike it and don't want to hear it, if true it says than anyone can do (as long as skilled enough) a basic let's say C or D rank Katon, Doton, Suiton, Raiton and Fuuton technique with hand seals and available material medium. Even though Naruto's affinity is Wind, he isn't skilled at Fuuton, since he can just create amount and maintain it long enough to combine it with shape transformation and form a Shuriken. But he is yet to be shown infusing/enhancing already existing air with wind chakra like Temari, and nowhere close to Danzo (which I would say was the most impressive user) blowing sharp air from mouth.
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== The Last movie scans ==
So in short, Naruto is the same level Fuuton user as Shikamaru, Chouji and Ino are Doton, a low one. But he had to combine it with Rasengan and it was hard due to "looking left while also looking right" thingy and he has to use wind natured chakra as energy to do this, while the 3 had benefit of using existing material and doing only very basic form of shape transformation. Disagree?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:19, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
That's not really how it works because your saying that by thinking of a certain scene or sensation you can use any element and it shouldn't be hard for naruto to do fire style the thing is that you have to do apply Nature Transformation to change your chakra to a specific type.[[User:Whiteraven1|Whiteraven1]] ([[User talk:Whiteraven1|talk]]) 18:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Senpai, how are you doing? Can you translate what's written in these [http://i.imgur.com/fdzOTpT.jpg two] [http://i.imgur.com/1eTQcjn.jpg scans] please especially that bottom-left corner regarding of 2015 stuff? Thanks so much... —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 08:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Thank you so much and no problem at all. Seems you were busy at that time :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 09:03, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
== strength of a hundred seal ==
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== Hagoromo and chakras ==
   
What evidence is there to suggest that it's a separate technique from "yin seal" ? Just because the "release" fuinjutsu is called "yin seal: release" doesn't mean the "storage" technique has to be yin seal. Doesn't have to follow Shiki Fuujin pattern.
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Do you get what was Hagoromo trying to say about Kurama's chakra?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:33, July 23, 2014 (UTC)
The thing that it increased her strength and stuff is speculation, hell, she hasn't done anything close to Tsunade yet. Also someone should get his/her shit straight already, now one article says one thing, some else another, like [[Cherry Blossom Impact]] states Sakura to be user of [[Yin Seal]]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:22, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Byakugō is written here with another kanji than in [[Strength of a Hundred Technique]], right? So shouldn't it have another name?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 16:01, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Yin seal stuff ==
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== Revolt of the demon world ==
   
I'm still catching up a bit. I don't edit for just under two days, discussion on a subjects kicks it into overdrive in more than one talk page, talk about Murphy's Law. Anyway, I have not read everything (and probably won't), but what I currently in-series is that: Strength of a Hundred Seal so far is another name for Yin Seal (I read Shizune's sentence as in "the seal needed for SoaH"), Sakura does have Yin Seal, and based on her thoughts she can/will release it, so she should be listed as having it (think Obito with Human Path claim), but we still don't know which technique she's going to use, just Creation Rebirth, or actually Strength of a Hundred, which would imply in her know CR too, as we currently list SoaH as a derived one from it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:12, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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So let's say your theory about more spiritual/mental/psychical whatever energy being Yin Release and more physical being Yang Release is correct.
   
== Seal of White Strength ==
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Genjutsu is Yin Release. This technique uses more spiritual energy, so it is presumably Yin Release, but it's labeled Ninjutsu. Does that mean Yin Release can be both genjutsu and ninjutsu?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:20, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Shouldn't [[White Strength Seal]] be named "Seal of White Strength?" 白豪'''の'''印. After looking up some seal techniques, not every technique has の/''no'' in it's kanji (e.g., [[Five Elements Seal]]), but when it does (e.g., [[Shrine Seal]]), shouldn't we acknowledge that? Like we do for [[Strength of a Hundred Technique]], [[Sword of Totsuka]] and other techniques with の/''no'' in their kanji.
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==Quick Question==
   
I know the whole thing is a little troublesome and sometimes gets in the way of translations, but shouldn't we be consistent with this? General Awesomo 10:55, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
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Hello, Seelentau-san~! :) I know you're busy, so I'm sorry to bother you, but I have a a question to ask you. This is a bit (actually, super embarrassing)) embarrassing to ask, considering I've been editing for years now, but this something I want to fully understand. I know Japanese is a very tricky language (even more so after taking a class in my last semester for college), which is why translations will always differ depending on who translates it. That being said, I want to confirm something: When romanizating a name from Japanese to English, in which case, let's say the name Kōjaku, for example, the spelling "Koujaku" would the closet literal translation into English, correct? And "Kōjaku" is the spelling that is closet to its Japanese name? I think that's is known as transliteration? There are a lot of characters in ''Naruto'' that has the accent marks in there, and the wiki chooses to use it. I always had a inkling of why, but never quite scratch the surface of the reason behind it since translations are bit confusing. If it's all right with you, may I ask you to explain in details on the concept of this?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 21:12, July 25, 2014 (UTC)
:As far as I know, we've never been consistent with that. Many Jutsu have names like "x no Jutsu" and are translated as "x Technique", that's why I decided to go with that translation. Of course you're free to change it, but I think this whole matter has lived through enough changes in the past week. I don't want to change anything related to it until we've more information on that topic. Oh, and as Omnibender said, they don't have to be translated as "Technique of x", although I handle it like this in the German Narutopedia. As I mentioned somewhere else, I really don't know why Suki-senpai named the Byakugō no Jutsu that way, it should've been either "Hundred Strength Technique" or "Technique of Hundred Strength", since its Japanese name is Byakugō no Jutsu and not Byaku no Gō (no) Jutsu. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:37, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Tail Chasing Fang Rotating Fang ==
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Seelentau-san, thank you very much for replying to me. :) Yes, I finished my Japanese lesson for college. Waa, it was a harder than I thought. T _ T My college won't even be offering the next course level anymore, though, so I'm going to have learn Japanese through anime again. But I feel like I understand the Japanese language a bit better now, instead of being self-taught. :D Seelntau-san's amazing for being a translator! The three alphabets are really confusing, and kanji is so difficult to memorize. I can't believe Japan teaches all three. It's really hard! But I'm pretty happy now I can tell the differences between hiragana, katakana, and kanji now.
   
Could you check if the change by anonymous user was correct: is it "ooi gagatenga" or "ooi gatenga"? By the way, could you check if full name of [[Human Beast Combination Transformation: Three-Headed Wolf]] is correct?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 23:09, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
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So, it depends on the system? I do know that using the names with or without the macrons isn't incorrect, so it really comes down to personal preference when people are using them. With official translations, they don't use macrons at all, so they either get rid of them or use ''ou'', ''oo'' and ''uu''. Hmm... So, using the name "Koujaku" again as the example, would "Koujaku" or "Kōjaku" be closer to the English language? It'd be Koujaku, right? I've noticed sometimes in anime that the characters' names will be spelled out sometimes in an episodes in its raw version. I'm currently watching an anime that does that a lot ("Koujaku" is actual the name of one of the main characters in there), so I thought it was a bit strange. I know another anime that spells two characters names as "Kou" (Kō) and "Shouta" (Shōta) in its raw version on items. It's also the spelling the official subtitles use. Hmm... Okay, I think I understand it better now! :D Thank you very much for your time.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 23:32, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
:OK, thanks.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 18:52, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Well, thanks for response anyway.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 18:29, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:By the way, with "Formation E", how will E be read in Japanese?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 18:48, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Thanks.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 19:05, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Episode 316 translation stuff ==
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Thank you very much for your insight, Seel-san~! Waa, Japanese is so tricky~! T _ T But I understand it now perfectly! Well, it's not like the spellings aren't incorrect. Whether you spelled a name with or without its macrons, it's still the same and really just comes down to which system the person prefers. Still, like you said, a lot of fans don't seem to understand that, and it's just a huge headache to break it down for them. ^_^; Well, thank you again! Nighty-night~! :D--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:59, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau and how are you? Long time no see there ... I have question and request about the latest episode. The question is could you give the moniker name of [[Heiji]] that he said to Kabuto? And my request is if you could check the kanji names and literal meaning of the episode technique like [[Earth Release: Sand Dance]] and [[Winding Smoke Technique]] and [[Daimaru]]'s moniker name. Thanks [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 08:14, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
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Wa~! So tricky! T _ T But I understand what you mean. I really do prefer using the macrons, though. I used them in my fanfics, even. Thank you very much, Seel-san~! :D It's not something my Japanese class covered during the semester. I was hoping they would, but really, we worked on pronunciation more than we did with reading the characters. We covered that for, like, two weeks and that's it. Well, thank you again for your insight! Bye~! :)--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 18:51, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Kidaichū ==
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== Explosion Release ==
   
Any mistakes in how scanlations translated what Shino said about them? I want to make a page for the new bug species. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:52, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Do not the kanji of any of the known techniques give a hint about which natures may be included?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:33, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== re: age estimates ==
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== kaguya chakra question ==
   
There's a reference in his article.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:32, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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It's been stated numerous times that all chakra was originally one and that it belonged to her/Ten-Tails/Shinju whatever, right? The issue is if the chakra that Hagoromo spread to everyone actually lowered her chakra and now she has just taken it back, or if she is taking more chakra than she had to begin with because she is greedy?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:19, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Yes and no? You are correct at that my dear, but Minato wasn't older than mid-twenties during his death since he was Nagato's generation.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:00, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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But the chakra all living things have is as much hers as is the chakra of Tailed Beasts, isn't it? Technically the chakra that exists now in living beings is the same one as Hagoromo gifted millennia ago, since children inherit chakra from their parents. So can she have more chakra than in her prime or does sucking everyone out just restore her to the way she was at the beginning?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:35, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
* Shikamaru, Chouji and Ino are the same age as Naruto, so even if possibly wrong, it's more than slightly reasonable to assume that his father would be about the same age as their parents by now (circa 41, 1 year more or less)
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Hmm, I see. Well, I disagree but I respect your opinion, so I'm gonna drop the topic for the time being since it boils down to matter of opinion I guess. I just don't think she feels falsely entitled to something that doesn't belong her, but rather she just wants to get back something that does belong to her.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:59, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
* More likely than not, Jiraya began teaching Minato after Nagato, once returning from 2nd Shinobi World War. J-man left Nagato as 10 years old and Minato just graduated form Academy as 10 years old to become J-man's student, so they both were mostly the same age, difference of months. Chouji described Yahiko as someone of age 25-30, the former more likely. 25+17 (he died about 1 year before Naruto's birth) equals 42, Nagato and Konan's ages. 42-16 = 26, Minato's age when he died.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:34, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Forwards ==
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Since everyone's chakra was Hagoromo's and Hagoromo's was hers, then everyone's chakra belongs to her by extension, especially if the chakra that Hagoromo spread was taken directly from Ten-Tails rather than his own he was born with.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:41, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
Grammatically, it's not correct from what I know at least. Forward still indicates a definite direction, but I'm guessing you wanted it to convey the verb meaning in terms of movement right? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:50, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== I'm back ==
   
== Chapter 634 ==
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With another Pierrot post... this one looks like it may have good info on it.
   
Could you write down translations of the new techniques?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 21:56, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7955
:Thanks for cheching them.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 14:27, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Oro Zetsu stuff ==
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[[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:40, July 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
My sincerest apology for the constant interruption and bothering of yours with matters of little life relevant importance, but your expertise is unmatched amongst us, that's why I look up to you with another request you could help with I'm certain; if not for the feedback, we would appreciate if you told us what does the sound effect after Orochimaru transfers his being into the Zetsu clone and when he transforms say? Thousands thanks in advance.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:43, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Hmm, so it doesn't give any ages or hint to any of the ages of the characters in the settei sheets?? and thanks man. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
:Sure, but sugar-coating is my specialty, that's why I still have all my teeth intact :D But to get to the task, chapter 618 page 15 or so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:55, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
So all in all it says nothing afraid, am I? 0_0 What's your opinion on the matter? And yes, sometimes we get lot of inactive editors and at times like this, the very opposite of that...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:34, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== chapter 674 ==
   
Lol, fair enough and no, should be all for now. But crap? Well, it used to be better, but I wouldn't say that. Do you read anything else?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:24, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Can you please clarify what does the text above Madara's head says on first page? Thanks--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:51, July 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hmm... I guess so. Actually, I read something similar a few days ago, about fans falsely predicting and believing things to be as they want them, only to be disappointed once they turn out differently - going against their wishes, not realizing they aren't the author but readers. Then they say x is crap because it didn't happen their way etc. But well, I'm here mostly for the community too, there still is stuff that interest me and I'm happy about some things like Oro coming back and so on, but I would say it has lost its appeal due to being too long and getting less about ninja than anything, even though the Hashirama's flashback kinda brought back for a little the original theme. Also may I ask when it happened? You loosing most of interest I mean, since I remember you worked on the timeline and similar stuff--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:48, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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The panel he does the hand seal to cast the lightning--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
You might have "Orochimaru's syndrome" 0_0 once you achieve immortality, you cease valuing life and seeing its true meaning and beauty. Hopefully you won't leave anytime soon, not because we need a translator, but because many have left as of late. Hell, I even miss X29 :D Also people with more than half a brain are needed because as you can see, most of the fanbase aren't the cleverest of folks ._.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:33, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks a lot, because the scanlations mention the lightning being black so I was wondering if the text indeed says the lightning to be black.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:50, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Light and Dark==
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Greatly appreciated. So not exactly black, but of darker color I suppose? You might have figured out why I'm interested in this by now. Since Madara's Yin Raiton was "dusky" so I suppose is Sasuke's Yin-powered Chidori of the same color.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:53, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Seelentau. I neither know if I can add this to your talk page, nor if it's appropriate, but I am compelled to ask you an important question to me. First off, i'd would like to say that unlike most of the Naruto fanbase, I don't read the series blindly and solely for entertainment. I am more interested in deciphering the many morals, lessons, and overall meaning that Kishi offers in Naruto. With that, I tend to compare it to our lives and how the world is. And for a translator like yourself, whether or not you enjoy the series as much as I do, I know that you must surely be a person who pays close attention to detail. My guess is that most translators do.
 
:However, before I digress, allow me to present my question to you if you don't mind answering it. Hiruzen and Danzo are two characters who have represented light and dark in the series, much like Madara and Hashirama. In your opinion, which group of individuals are a better representation?
 
::Hiruzen and Danzo or Hashirama and Madara? [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 05:46, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thank You!!! I thought you might say, due to the fact that they were the original. Also, I like your point about the fact that Hiruzen and Danzo were pretty much stained and shaped by Konoha's environment at the time (kind of like parents and kids). Oh, and just as I imagined you would, you gave me an honest answer, instead of backing it up with bias like most would. Thanks, Seelentau, if I have any more questions, I will look forward to your opinion. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 15:51, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== [[Soul Removal]]'s new name ==
 
 
Is there any way we can make Absorption Soul Technique sound more...English? Absorbing Soul Technique? General Awesomo 22:40, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:...what? Do you want a translation of the Japanese name or an English name based on that translation? Those names aren't actually supposed to sound English at all, they're just representing the Japanese word in another language. Furthermore, the same Kanji is translated as "Absorbtion" [[Spiralling Absorption Sphere|here]], that's why I translated it that way. Oh and if you want me to answer you on your talk page, I suggest you put a link to it in your signature. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:53, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I was just wondering if 吸 could also be translated as "absorbing" or other variants of the word. So that maybe we can make a better sounding name.
 
 
::Also, I don't see the point of having a discussion being split up by two user talk pages. Why do some users do that? General Awesomo 22:59, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::It could, but as I said, this isn't about good sounding or so. People do that because it's hard to keep track of the discussion. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:03, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I'm just saying if we can make it sound a little better without disrupting the translation, it wouldn't hurt. But I'll respect this decision, and I'll try to get used to this way of discussing. General Awesomo ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 23:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 

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ugh, Rikudou Senjutsu Edit

  • I don't think Naruto is using Sage Mode at all
  • Rikudou Senjutsu is what Hagoromo gave to Naruto, the mode in question was called Sage Transformation by Madara--Elveonora (talk) 08:52, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, but I sincerely believe that you are wrong this time. Rikudou Senjutsu is what Hagoromo gave to Naruto, it doesn't sound like a name of a transformation at all. It doesn't make sense for only Obito's version to be called Sage Transformation since it's the same thing--Elveonora (talk) 15:27, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

What's with the attitude? You can't just change something as radical and say "full stop end of discussion" Madara even said it's a power, not a transformation/mode.--Elveonora (talk) 15:43, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Don't take this wrong, but knowing a language and having good reading comprehension/understanding context are two different things. You can't just put words into Madara's mouth and pretend that he meant what you think he meant. All he said was that Naruto got Rikudou Senjutsu and that he possesses the same power, no mention of cloak/form/mode/transformation/anything.--Elveonora (talk) 16:22, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Rikudou Senjutsu is one of the things that power Naruto's form, but the form itself isn't called Rikudou Senjutsu. Sage Transformation sounds much more like a name of the form. Think logically, Hagoromo didn't give Madara anything, he got it by becoming the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki, so you think Shinju gave Madara "Rikudou Senjutsu" ? ._. I interpret it as "Hagoromo's Senjutsu" with Rikudou simply being short for Rikudou Sennin.--Elveonora (talk) 09:03, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

So Madara got "Rikudou Senjutsu" from the Shinju? Also again, it's illogical for the staff (which is just the truth seeking balls technique in another shape) to be called a transformation while the actual transformation being called a technique :D--Elveonora (talk) 10:24, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Also the Six Paths Sage Technique says things much close akin to my own interpretation of it, the infobox even has the eyes, not the cloak--Elveonora (talk) 10:34, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, but how is a cloak/form whatever from chakras of all 9 Tailed Beasts and Senjutsu chakra a "Rikudou Senjutsu"? The technique used with the form is Truth-Seeking Ball and you say Madara called Obito's staff which is just the ball technique variant a Sage Transformation. How don't you see it's illogical for a jinchuuriki form to be called a technique and for a technique it utilizes to be called a transformation? To me at least, it's obviously in reverse. The Truth Seeking Balls are more of a Rikudou Senjutsu if you ask me--Elveonora (talk) 10:40, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Still illogical for a technique (TSB) to be called a transformation and for a transformation (the cloak) to be a technique. Also one way or another, the article made by the guy disagrees with your explanation, so it should either be modified or removed--Elveonora (talk) 10:48, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't blame you, the whole thing is damn complex and confusing, but I'm sure one way or another, the information we currently present is wrong T_T damn Kishi, why u no explain properly?--Elveonora (talk) 10:58, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Spiral Zetsu to Guruguru Edit

I apologize for being late to the party, but which raw (chapter) was used to find its name? --Questionaredude (talk) 18:04, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Sage TechniqueEdit

When and where exactly was the discussion for Naruto's new form to be a new page, if there was one? I'm not gonna edit anything either way, I'm just simply asking. WindStar7125 (talk) 23:01, April 28, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

Hi! May I know why my contribution to Kakashi Hatake's Wiki page has been deleted?

Seifu10 (talk) 12:25, April 30, 2014 (UTC)Seifu10

Thanks :)

Because it was unnecessary overhyping. • Seelentau 愛 12:36, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Gattai Ōgi names Edit

Hi senpai, today Namco Bandai Japan has released a page about the battle system in the upcoming game. Some of those combination ōgi are named in this page. Can you translate them in order to create their articles later on? —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 12:27, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yōton Request Edit

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Already I ended the icon. I hope that you like.

Sasukeuzumaki (Mi discusión) 12:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

Translate Stuff Edit

Hi! If you have time, can you translate "Katabami Kinzan" to English? Thanks! :) ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 10:16, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! :) ~IndxcvNovelist (talk | contribs | PR | RLS) 10:47, May 7, 2014 (UTC)

Jonin problem Edit

If you have some time, could you take a look at this problem? The episode in question is from the original series, number 140, at ca. 16:45. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 18:21, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 13:10, May 11, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 64 Edit

In chapter 64, near the end, there's a scene with Hiruzen and Anko. Hiruzen asks Anko if the pain in her neck, caused by the cursed seal, is any better. She says "thank you" and say it is. Is there anything there, maybe in the raw, that implies he actually did something to seal the effects, or did she simply get better by being away from Orochimaru and resting? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:41, May 12, 2014 (UTC)

Discrepancy with the Shinju's eyeEdit

I want to know your opinion on this. WindStar7125 (talk) 00:02, May 18, 2014 (UTC) WindStar7125

Check this out for me Edit

Hey Seel. Mind stopping by Zetsu's talkpage and pitching in your two cents about the topic, Dojutsu in Zetsu? I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 12:47, May 20, 2014 (UTC).


Kakashi Anbu Hen articles in Pierrot's blog webpage Edit

Hi senpai. This week, the official blog of Studio Pierrot has released two articles about the latest Kakashi Anbu filler arc. It contains some useful information that reveals the timelines of those characters, you can modify your timeline based on them. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 18:24, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

the shinju infinite tsukuyomi user? Edit

I'd like to know.--Elveonora (talk) 15:18, May 22, 2014 (UTC)

Considering Kaguya presumably got her third eye as a result of the fruit, which hints that Kaguya's eye and the Shinju's are the same. Also Obito was about to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi with the Shinju's own eye.--Elveonora (talk) 14:25, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you a lot for your feedback. I suppose it comes down to the topic about what qualifies someone as a legit user. I would say that even being capable of X without having done X still means being a user of X.--Elveonora (talk) 14:51, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya's third eye wasn't named Edit

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:124964 see my latest comment.--Elveonora (talk) 13:02, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Too bad ^_ I just don't think we should label the third eye as Sharingan, since that wasn't stated--Elveonora (talk) 14:26, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Furigana Edit

Sorry I don't know anything about Japanese and stuff so I might sound completely senseless.
Would it be beneficial as well as possible (practically; not technically) to add those to translations in the form: 攻殻 機動隊(こうかく きどうたい)
You'd need to use chrome/IE to see above properly or this addon
More info is here--~UltimateSupreme 16:06, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
I hate using title; it can't be accessed be touchscreen devices (iPad, mobiles, etc) neither by text-to-speech devices
Nor are they indexed by search engines.
What I was thinking was to integrate it with our {{translation}} so users could do {{translation|Sharingan|写 輪 眼|lit meaning=Copy Wheel Eye|viz meaning=Mirror Wheel Eye|furigana = うつし わ め}} which will produce Sharingan (写 輪 眼; うつし わ め; Literally meaning "Copy Wheel Eye", Meaning (Viz) "Mirror Wheel Eye")
Ignore the line-height, it'll mostly be the first line.
Adding half a dozen characters doesn't really increase the length of the article~UltimateSupreme 14:40, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
Technicalities aside what I meant to ask is would it be possible to add furigana for atleast most of the translations we have and would it be worth the effort?--~UltimateSupreme 09:59, May 27, 2014 (UTC)
But would that matter since it would only be read by those understanding Japanese? And I guess Furigana is simpler than that?--~UltimateSupreme 16:25, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya's speech Edit

I know that she has said only like two sentences since her revival, but is there anything worth of note about her vocabulary?--Elveonora (talk) 16:56, June 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Raws Edit

Couldn't say for sure, but Shueisha started getting a lot more aggressive in targeting copyright violators earlier this year, threatening legal action against people and individuals posting bootleg scans and spoilers before the magazines actually go on sale. Japanese bootleggers also tend to be extremely skiddish (perhaps because the Japanese legal system is so strict), so any sign of trouble and they head for the hills. FF-Suzaku (talk) 02:53, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Is that so? I haven't really been following. All I know is that the cover-to-cover scans of Weekly Shonen Jump have generally been hitting the Japanese filesharing sites a few days after they hit newsstands, sometimes later. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:31, June 20, 2014 (UTC)
I suppose, if someone were to have the presence of mind to download, extract, and redistribute them. FF-Suzaku (talk) 20:22, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Stupid question, but why don't the scanners release the raws to the public?--Elveonora (talk) 21:21, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

I can't tell since I suck at japanese Edit

http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7780

But is there anything relevant or helpful on this for the timeline or anything?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 05:34, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Seel, I also noticed that Shisui's height is either wrong, or they just drew 11.5yr old Itachi too tall. Because Itachi was only 170cm when he left Konoha, and there it tries to paint him as 178cm at age 11.5... pretty sure he didn't shrink 8cm in 1.5 years. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:41, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Warawa Edit

Someone recently added to Kaguya's personality section this pronoun she uses to refer to herself. I can see it in the raw for chapter 680, but what the person added it signifies (nobility) and what tangorin tells me it signifies (humility) is different. Can you take a look? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:58, June 22, 2014 (UTC)

re: Enton Edit

No idea at the moment, I still haven't recovered from that reverse harem, but I will let you know once I do ._. Also, what's your opinion on Kaguya and Ten-Tails merger?--Elveonora (talk) 10:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Can you remind be a bit of the Enton topic? It was quite a while back. What I've noticed from the latest chapter though is that the Enton part was omitted and that he can create Kagatsuchi outside his field of view as well--Elveonora (talk) 11:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

So Kagatsuchi and Enton: Kagatsuchi are two different techniques... hmm. Makes sense, because in many instances where Enton: Kagatsuchi was used, he didn't use Amaterasu prior. Perhaps this should be taken to the talkpage. And if true, pretty much confirms that Amaterasu is Enton--Elveonora (talk) 11:44, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't hold my breath ^_ and will do.--Elveonora (talk) 11:50, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Well, we tried :( Although you can always document it as intended over at German wiki I suppose--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

The raw is seemingly out--Elveonora (talk) 15:41, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: So... Edit

There was never peace. Just sysops who were fore more willing to throw their weight to crush opposition when it cropped up. Using only myself as an example, a few years back I would not have quietly entertained Elvenora's repeated beating of a dead dolphin horse over issues that have been solved time and time again. It would have been done and done once, and that would have been the end until something new actually came about to change things. But that is of course just an old man getting caught up in nostalgia.

Nobody here is untrusting of you or your desire to help. However, you may consider the explosions that (more of often than not follow Elvenora, not you) follow you to be what happens after several odd years of blindly following ShounenSuki's words because he was the only one who could translate. Essentially it's occupational hazards. More times than not, what ShounenSuki had stated went down because he was the only one who was sure what was actually said. And, I know I am terribly guilty of this, I was very willing to appease him, because he was the only one who could translate anything and having him gone left us to the mercy of scanlations and Viz. Hell I walk a very, very thin line as it is in my opposition to any discussion you pick a side on because of that reason. It's also part of the reason, I believe, that why Sysops tend to do far far less now than they used to.

As such, typically when you make a translation, it goes. No ifs, ands or buts. For a recent example, Kaguya's Rinnegan. And this is as per ShounenSuki. However, other things, which doesn't involve translations, such as the nature of Blaze Release, and instead can go by everything from interpretation of what we were already told, what we believe based on what know, and just wild mass guessing, that is where things get skewed. Where we would have originally just bowed to ShounenSuki because that's what we did, we know "fight" back so to speak. And even then, you aren't necessarily a "hot button", unlike Elvennora or Ten Tailed Fox. Your position as Main Translator(tm) put's you in high prestige, make no mistake of that. But after coming off of ShounenSuki, it does not make you free of opposition, not anymore.

I agree, we need a new calm. But to be a calm one has to be completely and utterly neutral in all things, and only look at things as black and white from the manga. Never getting into any discussion that has to be interpreted or looked at from 2 or more different angles. Must always be "The manga said this" and that be the end. That is something I don't expect, or want from you because that makes you, for all extensive purposes, a useless editor. Actually being interested in the topic is a good thing, and being able to passionately fight over something is something we could have used years ago if any of us had the balls to actually do something.

And this was a very long write.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 22:29, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Two ThingsEdit

681 RawsEdit

I know the raws just came out and I might be rushing you, but what do they say about Kaguya and the Ten-Tails?

Case 1: MangaStream: Black Zetsus (plural, two entities) says when Kaguya looks at Naruto and Sasuke, she is reminded of "Us," her two sons, implying that these two Black Zetsus were created to remind her of Hagoromo and Hamura.

MangaPanda: Black Zetsu (singular, one entity) treats Hagoromo and Hamura as different people.

Case 2: According to the raw, the Ten-Tails is the Shinju and Kaguya, correct? Both Panda and Stream agree on that, but Elveonora has confused me by say Kaguya is the Ten-Tails, therefore is not a jinchuuriki, but is a tailed beast herself (whatever Elve said, I'm paraphrasing him)

Case 3: MangaStream: Black Zetsu claims to have hid Madara's body to study the Sharingan.

MangaPanda: But Black Zetsu says Tobirama was studying Madara's body (which seems more plausible than Stream, but just to be sure)

Case 4: MangaStream: Hashirama's flesh was cultivated with the Demonic Statue and prolonged its survival and The White Zetsus were just there and Black Zetsu escaped.

MangaPanda: He (who?) cultivated Madara's meat with the Statue and tried to live longer and Black Zetsu claims to have taken out the White Zetsu.


BTW On my talk page, can you answer these cases like, for example "1) Panda ... 2)Stream ... 3) Neither, the Raw said this ..." and so on?

Also, between Panda and Stream, which should I trust more in the future? Panda makes some ridiculous mistakes, but Stream has its inconsistencies as well.

ShounenSukiEdit

I saw that long response TU3 posted on your talk page. I went to his talk page and saw the conversation. Why exactly did ShounenSuki leave Narutopedia? I came post-ShounenSuki, so I just want to know.

I know this is a lot, but thanx in advance! WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 02:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

According to Shakhmoot, the raws are out. Ask him. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 02:33, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Gattai Ougi again Edit

Could you get the name for Madara and Obito's ultimate from the new trailer? It's here. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:42, July 2, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 684 Edit

Senpai, I found the other techniques' kanji which appeared in this chapter from a spoiler.

  1. Naruto's jutsu using Gobi's chakra called 怪力無双
  2. Naruto's clone jutsu called うずまきナルト一帯連弾
  3. Kaguya's kekkei genkai jutsu called 共殺の灰骨
  4. The chapter's title is 殺しておくべきだ

Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 11:00, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

If Gobi's technique really is a technique is something I can't say from just that.
The clone technique really means Naruto Uzumaki Region Combo.
The KG was obvious, I already added it. ^_^
The chapter's title is We Should Kill Him First or so. • Seelentau 愛 11:09, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
unparalleled superhuman strength? sounds like a technique to me--Elveonora (talk) 11:13, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Not if it's just part of what Gobi said to Naruto, the way mangastream depicts it. • Seelentau 愛 11:16, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Probability Edit

Is there any for Mei's "Lava" and other users' Lava being two different advanced natures? I mean, does Mei's actually translate as Lava Release and was it anywhere stated that: "oh yeah, her KKG totally is the same as of rubber guy and the jinchuuriki dwarf's and Tsuchikage dwarf granddaughter's"--Elveonora (talk) 12:19, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm just over-thinking things, because Mei said that she can use Water, Fire and Earth. But Water and Earth is Wood, while Water and Fire is assumed to be Boil. There's no room for a different "Lava" combination :( Unless hers is all 3 natures, but that would be Kekkei Tōta :P So I guess nothing then. But if Kokuō has Boil Release, what does Saiken have? That's why I thought the slug might have "Lava" Release, but different from Son Goku's. There being differences between Mei's "Lava" and of the others' seemed like evidence to me at first.--Elveonora (talk) 12:54, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

You sure? If that's the case, false alarm then :P--Elveonora (talk) 12:59, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

TSB natures Edit

Considering that Naruto simply took his TSB and thew it as TBB and it was Wind Release, that in my opinion is enough evidence that TSB aren't 4 natures and Hiruzen was talking about Obito's usage specifically. Naruto's TSB is just Wind Release, what do you think?--Elveonora (talk) 12:12, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I just thought that if TSB truly were "at least 4 natures" in the least all the time, then Naruto's TBB would have been whatever release, not just wind :) And yeah, I don't like YYR business either, makes me want to vomit.--Elveonora (talk) 13:25, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Volume 70 Info? Edit

Yeah, you're right senpai. But the most thing that we don't know about this volume is its title. And for adding techniques and characters, we just add the volume number into the included chapters articles and that should be enough. Hopefully we'll know the title on this Saturday. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:59, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

Mind checking this out? Edit

http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7936

Does it give any info, like age, timeline, connection, story stuff?? Hopefully we can get something from this. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:09, July 17, 2014 (UTC)

That link above I thought I put it there the first time... guess I didn't oops ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:48, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Seel. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 18:46, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: moovee Edit

Thanks senpai, so the counter will stop on the next Monday at GMT timeline. That also confirms that the huge project which will be announced in the next chapter relates to the movie. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:29, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the same time when the issue #35 will be released in Japan featuring Naruto as the leading manga in that issue. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:38, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Kaguya riku senjutsu Edit

She flies, or not? Also since she is chakra originate, isn't it fair to assume that powers of her sons are her powers as well?--Elveonora (talk) 09:44, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Well, both Naruto and Sasuke got Hagoromo's chakra, one was stated to have gotten Rinnegan the other Six Paths Senjutsu and only the latter floats, so.--Elveonora (talk) 10:16, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

How else would have Naruto gotten Six Paths Senjutsu? Also Sasuke said he's got Rikudou's power too.--Elveonora (talk) 10:35, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Then how did Sasuke get Rinnegan? I'm not sure just some Yin tattoo gave him that--Elveonora (talk) 11:28, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Nah. We've been told that Ashura + Indra chakra = Rinnegan. Indra's chakra is already Yinish or something, so Yin+Yin = Rinnegan doesn't make sense to me--Elveonora (talk) 11:48, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

So Sasuke doesn't have the "Ashura part" of Hagoromo's chakra in your opinion?--Elveonora (talk) 12:52, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Help Edit

Could I get your help with this question?: Basis of all Ninjutsu? Skitts (talk) 04:37, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

GanttaEdit

This Gantta guy keeps reverting edits on the Kamui page. Can you please tell him that on this wiki, we do things democratically and don't define things to suit any one person's needs? I don't wanna get into an edit war with this guy; he's a new editor and is already becoming annoying. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 16:11, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

The Last movie scans Edit

Senpai, how are you doing? Can you translate what's written in these two scans please especially that bottom-left corner regarding of 2015 stuff? Thanks so much... —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 08:08, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much and no problem at all. Seems you were busy at that time :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:03, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo and chakras Edit

Do you get what was Hagoromo trying to say about Kurama's chakra?--Elveonora (talk) 15:33, July 23, 2014 (UTC)

Revolt of the demon world Edit

So let's say your theory about more spiritual/mental/psychical whatever energy being Yin Release and more physical being Yang Release is correct.

Genjutsu is Yin Release. This technique uses more spiritual energy, so it is presumably Yin Release, but it's labeled Ninjutsu. Does that mean Yin Release can be both genjutsu and ninjutsu?--Elveonora (talk) 13:20, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Quick QuestionEdit

Hello, Seelentau-san~! :) I know you're busy, so I'm sorry to bother you, but I have a a question to ask you. This is a bit (actually, super embarrassing)) embarrassing to ask, considering I've been editing for years now, but this something I want to fully understand. I know Japanese is a very tricky language (even more so after taking a class in my last semester for college), which is why translations will always differ depending on who translates it. That being said, I want to confirm something: When romanizating a name from Japanese to English, in which case, let's say the name Kōjaku, for example, the spelling "Koujaku" would the closet literal translation into English, correct? And "Kōjaku" is the spelling that is closet to its Japanese name? I think that's is known as transliteration? There are a lot of characters in Naruto that has the accent marks in there, and the wiki chooses to use it. I always had a inkling of why, but never quite scratch the surface of the reason behind it since translations are bit confusing. If it's all right with you, may I ask you to explain in details on the concept of this?--NinjaSheik 21:12, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Seelentau-san, thank you very much for replying to me. :) Yes, I finished my Japanese lesson for college. Waa, it was a harder than I thought. T _ T My college won't even be offering the next course level anymore, though, so I'm going to have learn Japanese through anime again. But I feel like I understand the Japanese language a bit better now, instead of being self-taught. :D Seelntau-san's amazing for being a translator! The three alphabets are really confusing, and kanji is so difficult to memorize. I can't believe Japan teaches all three. It's really hard! But I'm pretty happy now I can tell the differences between hiragana, katakana, and kanji now.

So, it depends on the system? I do know that using the names with or without the macrons isn't incorrect, so it really comes down to personal preference when people are using them. With official translations, they don't use macrons at all, so they either get rid of them or use ou, oo and uu. Hmm... So, using the name "Koujaku" again as the example, would "Koujaku" or "Kōjaku" be closer to the English language? It'd be Koujaku, right? I've noticed sometimes in anime that the characters' names will be spelled out sometimes in an episodes in its raw version. I'm currently watching an anime that does that a lot ("Koujaku" is actual the name of one of the main characters in there), so I thought it was a bit strange. I know another anime that spells two characters names as "Kou" (Kō) and "Shouta" (Shōta) in its raw version on items. It's also the spelling the official subtitles use. Hmm... Okay, I think I understand it better now! :D Thank you very much for your time.--NinjaSheik 23:32, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your insight, Seel-san~! Waa, Japanese is so tricky~! T _ T But I understand it now perfectly! Well, it's not like the spellings aren't incorrect. Whether you spelled a name with or without its macrons, it's still the same and really just comes down to which system the person prefers. Still, like you said, a lot of fans don't seem to understand that, and it's just a huge headache to break it down for them. ^_^; Well, thank you again! Nighty-night~! :D--NinjaSheik 03:59, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Wa~! So tricky! T _ T But I understand what you mean. I really do prefer using the macrons, though. I used them in my fanfics, even. Thank you very much, Seel-san~! :D It's not something my Japanese class covered during the semester. I was hoping they would, but really, we worked on pronunciation more than we did with reading the characters. We covered that for, like, two weeks and that's it. Well, thank you again for your insight! Bye~! :)--NinjaSheik 18:51, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Explosion Release Edit

Do not the kanji of any of the known techniques give a hint about which natures may be included?--Elveonora (talk) 18:33, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

kaguya chakra question Edit

It's been stated numerous times that all chakra was originally one and that it belonged to her/Ten-Tails/Shinju whatever, right? The issue is if the chakra that Hagoromo spread to everyone actually lowered her chakra and now she has just taken it back, or if she is taking more chakra than she had to begin with because she is greedy?--Elveonora (talk) 18:19, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

But the chakra all living things have is as much hers as is the chakra of Tailed Beasts, isn't it? Technically the chakra that exists now in living beings is the same one as Hagoromo gifted millennia ago, since children inherit chakra from their parents. So can she have more chakra than in her prime or does sucking everyone out just restore her to the way she was at the beginning?--Elveonora (talk) 18:35, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, I see. Well, I disagree but I respect your opinion, so I'm gonna drop the topic for the time being since it boils down to matter of opinion I guess. I just don't think she feels falsely entitled to something that doesn't belong her, but rather she just wants to get back something that does belong to her.--Elveonora (talk) 18:59, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Since everyone's chakra was Hagoromo's and Hagoromo's was hers, then everyone's chakra belongs to her by extension, especially if the chakra that Hagoromo spread was taken directly from Ten-Tails rather than his own he was born with.--Elveonora (talk) 19:41, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm back Edit

With another Pierrot post... this one looks like it may have good info on it.

http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/7955

ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:40, July 29, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, so it doesn't give any ages or hint to any of the ages of the characters in the settei sheets?? and thanks man. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:08, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

chapter 674 Edit

Can you please clarify what does the text above Madara's head says on first page? Thanks--Elveonora (talk) 22:51, July 30, 2014 (UTC)

The panel he does the hand seal to cast the lightning--Elveonora (talk) 10:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, because the scanlations mention the lightning being black so I was wondering if the text indeed says the lightning to be black.--Elveonora (talk) 10:50, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Greatly appreciated. So not exactly black, but of darker color I suppose? You might have figured out why I'm interested in this by now. Since Madara's Yin Raiton was "dusky" so I suppose is Sasuke's Yin-powered Chidori of the same color.--Elveonora (talk) 11:53, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

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