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Seelentau

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  • I live in Germany
  • My occupation is Translator
  • I am Male
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== Chapter 621 translation ==
 
   
Hi Seelentau, I want to ask about the third missing kanji of Hashirama's Hotei no Jutsu, have you found it? And about Hōbi no Jutsu, is it better to move the page to its literal name? or that's better? —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:31, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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== Verlassen des Wikis ==
:Omni-san just added a third kanji for "Hotei", but I don't know if it's right or not. I checked a bad quality scanned panel for this jutsu. So it was unclear for me. And about the naming, let's wait for Viz translation of these technqiues to see what are the appropriate translations for that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:07, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen! Ich verstehe, warum du sauer bist, aber in manchen Fällen muss man einfach über die Ignoranz und Sturheit der anderen hinwegsehen, bis eine glasklare Antwort vom Mangaka kommt (am besten in Form eines neuen Databooks, wann immer das auch sein mag). Aus genau diesem Grund nehme ich an den meisten Diskussionen nicht teil, weil ich Angst hab, mir das Wiki dadurch verderben zu lassen.
   
== Re: Unconfirmed Kanji ==
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Auch wenn wir bis jetzt nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten bitte ich dich, die Sache mit dem Aufhören nochmal zu überdenken. Immerhin bist du meiner Meinung nach eine der wenigen Personen hier mit einem gesunden Menschenverstand, ganz zu schweigen von deinen Japanisch-Kenntnissen. Dein Verlassen wäre ein Verlust für das Wiki, ganz sicher! [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 23:03, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, but I added the kanji form the chapter scripts on [http://naruto-spoiler.seesaa.net/article/332165522.html this webpage]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:53, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: I'd like you to ==
   
== Veil of Cat Fire ==
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Request denied. You're upset that's understandable. You want to leave, that is understandable. But I'm not going to encourage this kind of response by banning you and keeping you from coming back if you calm down and decide you want to come back.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
From [http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/naruto_storm3/images/system/03/06utakata/02.jpg here], I think I found the missing kanji from {{translation|?炎猫火||Ten'en Byōka}}: . Is that the one? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:30, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Your a great addition to this wiki and deep down i don't think anyone wants you to leave. The wiki needs you. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 17:38, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
:So, "Wrapping Blaze Cat Fire" or "Wrapping Flame Cat Fire"? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:25, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Kanji ==
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Seelentau-san, what's going on?! I was held at school, so I couldn't come on the wiki until now, but from what I understand, you're leaving? Why?! The wiki needs, and I'll be really sad if you leave. :(--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 02:26, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Seelentau, ich find's zwar mittlerweile schon komisch sich hier auf deutsch zu unterhalten, aber was soll's! Ich arbeite als admin momentan auf einem anderen wiki aktiv mit und wir stehen gerade vor einem kleinen Problem. Viele Familiennamen werden ja in Japan mit Kanji geschrieben und jedes Kanji kann dabei unterschiedlich ausgelegt werden. Betrifft das auch die Vornamen? Die Namen in Hiragana zu schreiben wäre falsch, nicht wahr?
 
   
Daher frage ich dich, da du anscheinend auf diesem wiki mit am meisten japanisch verstehst (Hut ab dafür). Weißt du irgendeine Seite im internet, mit der man die Namen ermitteln könnte? Oder eine andere Methode? Wenn nicht, isses nicht schlimm, aber es würde auf jedenfall ungemein helfen! ;)
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== Apology & Question ==
   
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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So, first, I would like you to know that, though I disagreed venomously with your analysis of the Jiton (and still do), I do not harbor any ill will towards you. I'm glad you decided to stick around because, truth be told, you were right about one thing: you are a pretty unbias reader of the series. Doesn't mean I agree with some of your explanations, but I'd be wrong not to say as much. I never wanted to drive you from the wiki because, as many others have expressed, you are very much needed here and it would truly be a loss for the wiki without you around. If you still dislike me, well, I can't help that, but I do want to extend to you an sincere apology for letting my frustration with everything get the best of me. I miss the days when we, as a site, could sit down and discuss conflicting ideas without feeling the burning desire to tear each other's throats out and I know you feel the same.
   
[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 11:10, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
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That being said, I have an honest question for you in regards to the Gudōdama. We're both aware of how contentious that debate is, and the fact of the matter is, we're banging our heads into a wall over some fairly simple questions. It is my belief that Kishimoto finally gave us the natures for the Gudōdama (regardless of the user; the technique itself) with Black Zetsu's remark. I realize that some disagree with me on this point, and you might too, which is the point of my question:
:Nun, wie die Kanji aussehen, weiß ich und auch, wie sie auf Romanji (heißt das so?) geschrieben werden. Ich wusste nur nicht, wie und worüber man Kanji erstellen kann. Die Seite, die du mir gegeben hast, sollte mir aber weiterhelfen können. Vielen Dank! ;)[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 15:06, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Sage Mode Thoughts? ==
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''After examining the RAW of Black Zetsu's text, and knowing what previous characters have said in regards to the Truth-Seeking Balls, do you think that ''solid'' manga evidence suggests that each user's Gudōdama is of a different and unique composition? Or do you think that the technique, like any other technique, is composed of the exact same elements?''
   
What's your opinion on the whole Sage Mode issue on its talk page? Do you think there are distinct types of it or something else (like me)? There's no general agreement, so we can't restructure the article until there is one. You know of anything in the manga to (somewhat) clear this up? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 01:05, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
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That question seems to be the only one keeping us from finally putting this whole TSB debate behind us once and for all. Let me be clear, I don't care either way. I have my beliefs, but if the manga says something, we obviously need to document it. If its still too ambiguous, we wait, but recently it was decided that every user had the same natures except Naruto, whom the consensus said should have every nature but Yin-Yang, due to a few user's absolute refusal to believe he can use them. I just want the issue behind us. So, regarding that question, what is your thoughts? (And for any third party reading this, please don't butt in. Its rude to barge into other's conversations.) ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks for the response, that's basically what I was thinking. Oh, and sorry about that section spam. My phone must've gone derp when I submitted it. :o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:22, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
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: I suppose the only logical thing to do then is to wait, and, as you said, record what we know. Madara did say something about being surprised that Naruto wasn't erased when he blocked his Gudōdama, and thought that it might have something to do with him being heavily wounded (having not noticed his senjutsu enhancement yet), so I assume that means his can too. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:40, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Name Mean/Translate? ==
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:: I believe the evidence is there for Jiton. Using context clues and making an assumption are two different things. With the TSB, I understand the convolution, but there really is nothing like that for Gaara, Shukaku, and the other Jiton users. If you go back and read all of related chapters (even some of Gaara's words in his fight with Kimimaro) its quite apparent that's what Kishi intended. TheUltimate3 and the others have a valid point when they say Kishimoto won't tell us everything. Like any author, he's going to assume that we have the necessary material to put two and two together to get four. In areas where its murky (I believe that 3 out of 4 users of TSB having consistently all the same thing isn't murky, but I can see why you and others do), we can just do our best and record only what has been flat out told to us, but in areas where its pretty much obvious, we need to be readers, no Kishi's editors, and do the math. That's just my opinion though. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, comrade Seelentau. This is my first time talk to u, nice to meet u ^_^.
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::: Its pretty simple: does the manga support it, or is the evidence too flimsy to hold up? If someone can show me page, after page, after page, after chapter, after interview, after quote, etc, ect, that something is a certain way in the manga and it all holds up: add it. There's nothing wrong with that. Jiton is one example of that. When Gaara's father displayed the ''exact same rings'' as his son in his eyes, Kishi was basically handing us that information on a platter, regardless of whether we think so or not. If weren't a contributor to this wiki, and was just reading this manga to myself, that would've been an "''Aha!''" moment for me, because I'm the type of reader who will connect information. That's part of reading a story like this and its enjoyable when the author wants you to notice something rather than slap you in the face with information all the time. Sometimes, they want you to find it yourself, and I have fun looking for it. But if someone tells me that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells, for example (this was an actual argument), just because Kabuto said he used his studies of Hashirama's cells to heal him, and that's the ''only evidence they give me'', I'm going to wave them off and call crap on it.
I just read in ur profile that u know some Japanese things. Can u (if u want or not busy) transate some names for me? THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 15:37, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yeah. Ok thankyou. Here:
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::: That's why I, personally, wasn't involving Science in the Jiton debate (yes, I know others were). Kishi says he sucks at Science. We don't know how much he sucks (he obviously thought that Sakura's method of keeping Naruto alive was legit, for example; it wasn't. Punched through a rib and a lung scientifically), so its an assumption to say he'd even know what diamagnetism is. To him, it literally could've been as simple as "Hey, I want [insert Jiton user here] to magnetize this!" and that's it. But the manga itself held up, in my view, consistently. So to answer your question in one concerted effort: Where do we draw the line? If the manga supports it, and we can give enough references to back it up, add it. If it doesn't hold up or the references are too flimsy to use? Wait. That's how I see it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:00, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
# Jinpachi Mishima = 三島 仁八
 
# Heihachi Mishima = 三島 平八
 
# Kazuya Mishima = 三島 一八
 
# Jin Kazama = 風間 仁
 
# Jun Kazama = 風間 準
 
# Asuka Kazama = 風間 飛鳥
 
# Yoshimitsu = 吉光
 
# Kunimitsu = 州光
 
# Ganryu = 巌竜
 
# Kazumi or Kazume Mishima. (Not sure if this name is actually exist). Or, Miharu Hirano = 平野 美晴.
 
So so so sorry if it's long. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 17:40, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Hi, oh yeah so sorry I forgot, now i added. Can u also only translate this page? [http://www.tekken-official.jp/tag2/chara/unknown.html]. Sorry for disturbing and thank u. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 18:18, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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:::: That's where consensus comes in. Its one thing if one or two people are seeing the same thing. If three, four, five people are all seeing the same thing based on the same evidence, you've got one of two things going on: mass hysteria, which is unlikely, or something legitimate is being presented. I mean, the consensus, prior to your analysis on Jiton, was literally unanimous. Even in the recent debates, I only saw Elveonora and Munch (can never say his full username) that still saw things similarly to you (Elve had his own ideas, but that's getting more and more common lately). And what's more, we were all seeing the same evidence. The same consistency. The same patterns and the same context clues. In those cases, consensus is our best option. If there isn't one, then obviously the evidence is too flimsy. You'll see me doing the same thing. Where I'm on the fence with something, or want to believe something, but the current evidence just doesn't hold up, so I'll ask to wait on it. I have no problem waiting when the information isn't there. Its when we literally have the answer ''right in front of us'' and we're screaming at each other over the stupidest technicalities that I start having issues. As for "grasping for straws", I shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon, and I apologize. I let my frustration get the better of me. But there are cases of that. The debate on whether or not Naruto could use certain elements through his connection to the Bijū, for example. We had ''one user'' who just refused to let it go through and was even reverting the edits once the decision was made out of nothing more than his own stubbornness to give in. ''That'' is grasping for straws and when that happens, we obviously need to deal with the user in question, because that's a person problem, not a wiki issue. So, yes, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, comrade. Sorry to disturb, I just want to know if u finished the translate. If u busy then took ur time, only when u r free if u wan. I just come to remind, sorry again for disturbing and thankyou ^_^. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 16:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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::::: If the manga supports it? Absolutely. Kishi may retcon or correct facts later, but you can't tell a group of users who have reference after reference from the manga supporting their argument that they are wrong. Their basis is the manga. No different from anything else we add on this wiki. I mean, if we can't use the manga to prove our points, and get stuff done around here, we might as well lock the entire wiki until the series ends and the last databook comes out. We have to do something, Seel. Its not like we're saying, okay, add whatever you want to the wiki! We're saying, "If you have credible, consistent (direct confirmation works too, obviously) and the consensus sees it, then we add it. If you don't, we wait." That's not a bad system. It literally requires manga evidence, which is what you want in the first place, correct? Like I said, Kishimoto isn't going to tell us everything on a neon billboard. No author anywhere does that, so we shouldn't expect him too either. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, long time no talking comrade. Comrade, why don't u reply? I'm not angry of course, I just wanna know if u finished it, if I disturb u now then I'm sorry. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 21:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sorry to butt in... ==
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But I had to tell you this. I overlooked your messaging with TTF, and you asked if Madara ever negated something with his TSBs. He did actually, in chapter 665, page 12 when he cut off Minato's left arm with his TSB. Minato's left arm never grew back, just like Obito did with Minato's right arm. So yeah, Madara's TSB also has Yin-Yang Release. Again, didn't mean to butt in and be rude, that's why I created a separate headline on your page, but I was just trying to help. :) Glad you haven't left the wiki, that would have been a blow to Narutopedia. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Of course they do, Madara is a known YYR user since he had told Obito he would teach him just that--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi again comrade, ok understood, no need to apologize really, u were busy, and thank you very much for the translations ^_^. Could translate the page (link above)? No need for the name only the description, of course of u r free, sorry for disturbing and thank you ^_^. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 06:24, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== SPS&Rinnegan ==
   
== Question ==
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Not entirely:
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* both Naruto and Sasuke received power from Hagoromo which allowed them to awake SPST and Rinnegan respectively (I originally thought it was because of Hashirama stuff alone), so having 9TBs chakras by itself wouldn't give him SPST without Hagoromo's touch--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, can you translate the title of the upcoming opening song of Naruto Shippūden (ニワカ雨ニモ負ケズ) .. Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:40, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
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I mean latest chapter made it clear that Hagoromo has to do with their SPST and Rinnegan (so the tattoos weren't the only things he gave them) but Hagoromo didn't give Naruto TB chakra, they themselves did and Obito did the remaining 2. So whatever Hagoromo gave Naruto is the "missing piece" to the puzzle.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
:Isn't ''Niwaka Ame ni mo Makezu''? Because we need to edit the music article to create this song article. Anyway, here is the [http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/news/news07/index.html#143633 source for the song title]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:51, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That's good, thanks so much ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:50, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Possible rename ==
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Talk about coincidental timing 0_0 we messaged each other at the same time :P
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And yes, latest chapter makes it seem Hagoromo has to do with their powers, but you may figure out otherwise once you get your hands on the raw or so. And even though Madara didn't meet Hagoromo, he was TT jinch. TT is 9TB + x, the 'x' being what allows Six Paths Sage Technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:21, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Could you check the audio at [[Talk:Splitting Technique#Rename to Fission Technique.]]? As far as dialogue goes, we might have a name for the technique, similar to Mirage Genjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:15, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Hagoromo said that giving power only to one of them resulted in Ashura and Indra rivalry, giving power to both Naruto and Sasuke didn't fix it tho. So if the only power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were the tattoos, then either Ashura or Indra must have had one or both tattoos as well. Unless he was talking about different thing than the tattoos--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:27, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Madara's brothers ==
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Yes, Indra was already born with strong chakra and Ashura's eventually matured/bloomed as time went on. But birth inheritance isn't gift, unless Hagoromo created Ashura weak and Indra strong with Creation of All Things. So I suppose what the original gift refers to is Ashura's "battle avatar" Hagoromo likely gave Ashura Six Paths Senjutsu. Indra wasn't given anything, thus had only Sharingan. This time around, Hagoromo not only has given Ashura's incarnate Six Paths Senjutsu, but Rinnegan to Indra's incarnate as well. This way it makes sense--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
What exactly does he say? I still can't get over the fact both scanlations got the number of brothers wrong. Is there any way what Madara said can be interpreted as "we're five brothers" instead of "I have five brothers"? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:49, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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But Ashura eventually became equal to Indra. Hagoromo says giving power to one caused rivalry, so that doesn't seem like it refers to one of them having been born stronger. Hagoromo had no input about how their genes would turn out. Also I believe in an older chapter this is referenced and Hagoromo says he gave power to Ashura, so giving power to Ashura made him stronger than Indra thus caused trouble and as such can't refer to their birth inheritance, since Ashura was the weaker one originally. But you are the translator, so you may know better--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:52, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Only chapters ==
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So Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke successorship to Ninshu? That's it, Hagoromo made a clear parallel between giving power to Naruto and Sasuke and having given power just to Ashura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
That's how it's done since before I came around. I presume it's because if you go to the chapter, there's a number and link to the volume. Volumes also list new characters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:30, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Yes, I think in the latest chapter. But you may want to take this to relevant talkpage for everyone to chime in.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Kamui's dimension ==
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== Six Paths for Kaguya ==
   
In chapter 597, page 6 if I'm not mistaken. Kakashi says something like "Ore no Kamui no Jikūkan (something else)". The way he says it, can "Kamui no Jikūkan" be considered a name for the dimension Kamui sends stuff to? There's a discussion in the page's talk about a rename. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:25, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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I thought it was agreed that Kaguya has no involvement to the Six Paths or any related techniques.[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 10:05, September 11, 2014
:Bump. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:05, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Sound Four Technique ==
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I believe it was during the discussion of the Truth-Seeking Balls.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 10:11 September 11, 2014
   
What is the exact translation? We currently have it as "Sound Four: Summoning Technique: Four Corner Beast Formation". Kanji and romaji seem to be correct going by Japanese Wikipedia (though they dropped the group's name from the technique's name). 音隠れ四人衆・口寄せ・四獣包囲の陣, Otogakure Yoninshū: Kuchiyose: Shijū Hōi no Jin. First two parts are easy, "Sound Four: Summoning: Four Beasts ??? Formation", but the other part has more translation options. Also, should the Four Beasts part be translated as that? [http://tangorin.com/general/四獣 It has two possible meanings], and both apply: Four different summons ("beasts"), and the Sound Four's standing in each direction being a reference to 四神. Maybe even 四神獣? And I have no idea what would be the [http://tangorin.com/general/包囲 best translation] for 包囲. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:33, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== stuff ==
:Bump. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:40, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Could you please take a look Mr. Tau? :D ==
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Rikudou Rod etc. were also used I believe, but by Naruto and he likes to give weird nicknames.
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In my honest opinion "six paths" simply means Hagoromo, thus six path's means Hagoromo's.
   
[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Snake_and%E2%80%A6 here please]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:57, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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* Hagoromo's Senjutsu (his Senjutsu)
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* Hagoromo's Chakra (his chakra)
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* Hagoromo's Power (his power, unspecified)
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* Hagoromo's Yin Power/Yang Power (his power, specified)
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* Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei (specialized version of the technique)
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* Hagoromo's Technique (his personal technique with the Rinnegan)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:31, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Episode 306 translations ==
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Yes. But within the context of what we know, all six paths stuff = hagoromo stuff. There's no way to figure why he is six paths and what it is tho. We may need a databook for that. And I think your list should be complete, I don't recall any other six paths good job--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:06, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau and how are you? I have two question for this episode, the first is what's the kanji of Eyebright that said here? I couldn't find the suitable kanji for that at all. The second is about [[Might Guy]]'s taijutsu technique that used in this episode, what's it? Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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You did, but honestly, half the terms most likely refer to the same thing. Also in case you would, then be so nice and give some input to these:
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Nature_Transformation#Something
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#So_just_as_I_was_saying
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#kekkei_mora
   
== Naruto movie 6 ==
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Thanks in advance. The first, Six Paths Yin/Yang Powers were never called Yin and Yang nature releases, were they? The second, I believe you also know that Naruto is just a pseudo jinchuuriki of 1-8 TBs and not a full one. The third, is Naruto even an user of kekkei mora? He asks the Tailed Beasts for the natures, so he doesn't know how to use them himself. Therefore I think it's nonsensical that he has the ability to merge all natures that he can't even use, not to mention it has a genetic vibe to it, therefore in my opinion only Kaguya and Hagoromo should be considered users, not her jinchuuriki--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:17, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
can you edit the article since you know Japanese --[[User:Roger (UserJmootams brother)|Roger (UserJmootams brother)]] ([[User talk:Roger (UserJmootams brother)|talk]]) 19:42, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Earth Golem ==
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That's understandable, but man, If I had to count how many times I wanted to almost leave the wiki ... :P But what would this place be without me, right? :D Anyway:
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* I guess you are right. Although that's the reason why I'm wondering, are there things such as Six Paths Yin/Yang Release? :O
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And funny you mention that. The term pseudo worked just fine, until certain people changed it as they deemed fit with "logic" that "when chakra talks, they are full jinchuuriki" or so, like wtf. But I don't think you should be quiet about this, once the raw comes out and it implies that the Tailed Beasts aren't truly within Naruto, then you should let people know.
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And I know. Fact is, our beliefs are to be put in line soon, very soon... as soon as Naruto's TSB clashes with Sasuke or his technique ;) I admit that there's a chance we are wrong, but in my opinion more things imply his aren't all natures. So if we turn out to be wrong, then I will personally apologize to everyone I disagreed with and leave with a tail in between my legs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:51, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, I found in the Studio Pierrot blog webpage that the [[Earth Golem]]s' name is revealed to be (土牢剛霊無, ''Dorō Gōremu''). What's the exact meaning of its name? —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:49, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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== Your opinions on stuff ==
:There's a topic about it in the episode's talk page as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:22, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::While I did not find that talk page, I found the translation for the Kanji: ''Earth Prison Strength Soul Nothingness''. It's a Gairaigo. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:45, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::And about the talk page, check [[Talk:The Vengeful#New information|here]]. Thanks so much ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== chapter 626 ==
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I just wanted to say that I completely agree and support all the stuff you say. i agree with your opinion's on magnet release too. Just wanted to let you know that your not the only user that doesnt agree with all the bull shit that gets added. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 00:10, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Butting in :P the thing is, it shouldn't be about an agreement to begin with. If millions of people decide to agree about something that's just plain wrong, it won't become right anywhere but in their own heads. And even if they are right, they still are making an assumption (even if true) thus are jumping the gun, before it's actually known to be true.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
Could you please translate the sound effects? People say Madara put Hashi under a genjutsu, do the last panels support that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:15, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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== Help ==
   
Thank you, please, once it becomes available, we would like that translated I guess ^_ sound effect signs should not be dismissed :P if not raw then viz would do, but that will take a while.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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How do i make articles that don't have a template like for example an article on a book not the volume? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:13, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Raws are available now. We also need a proper translation on Hashirama's new technique. As far as Tangorin can help me, it's "Summit/Top/Peak Transformed Buddha". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:02, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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no offense taken and i was gonna create articles for the three anime profiles books. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks, I meant when Hashi looks up and there appears to be a sound effect, is that rain dropping or something like that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:00, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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== Six Paths ==
   
Awesome, thank you mister :D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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In the chapter that Naruto seals Madara's shadows in, he refers to the black rods as the "Sage's Rods". I don't know if that means anything or what the RAW's actually say, but I thought I'd bring that to your attention. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:58, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
 
== Episode 308 translations ==
 
 
Hi Seelentau. If you have spare time, could you give the kanji names and literal meaning for these following techniques from the recent episode:
 
#[[Hayate]]'s [[Secret Sword: Earth Shadow]].
 
#[[Iō (medical-nin)|Iō]]'s [[Earth Release: Flying Stones]].
 
#[[Yūgao]]'s [[Moonlit Night]].
 
Thanks so much. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:54, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Ah okay, take your time. :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== any opinion? ==
 
 
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Madara_Uchiha#creation_of_all_things if any of course, if so, would like to know what you think--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:49, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
More input needed, not just from you, but anyone, I find this unconcluded and confusing http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Chakra#life_force_topic I believe you have some original japanese sources at your disposal, is this anywhere specified?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:08, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Episode 309 translations ==
 
 
Hi Seelentau, I ask you about the country which appeared in this episode. According to the ending episode, it's called {{translation|此の国|Ko no Kuni}}. But I couldn't find a suitable translation. The subtitles referred for it to "This nation". —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:17, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Okay, but we have to name this country to create its article. Should it better to called it (Land of This)??!! —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:35, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== ancient Kirin topic ==
 
 
Just bored, so wanted to explain it to you. In order to "catch" the natural lightning, Sasuke has to use lightning natured chakra, it wouldn't work with ordinary chakra because there's no way it could reach that high, he just links the natural lightning in the sky with a super-weak chidori in hand like a magnet of sorts, shapes it using shape transformation alone and then brings it down using the link. So all in all, chidori/lightning release is needed to tame it, tho the monster itself isn't created with lightning chakra, that's why it isn't called Lightning Release: Kirin and yet it is one 0_o more examples of the same things are: [[Fire Release: Mist Blaze Dance Technique]] and [[Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning]] mist blaze uses natural fire to ignite fire release chakra natured gas and with Asuma's technique, the gun-powder is also coated in fire release chakra and then ignited by natural means. Again, I was just bored so it's for nothing, sorry for spamming ur talkpage :)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:23, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== UNS3 ultimates ==
 
 
So, kanji for some of the ultimates from the game started to appear. I would have waited around a bit longer to add and ask for translations, but some other users already started adding them, so I checked to see if they matched the ones where I could find them. The ones with kanji for now are:
 
* [[Cat Fire Bowl]]. The very literal translation made this an easy one, but I'd like to put some trivia around the actual cat brazier in it, but I have no idea if it has a mythological or cultural significance to point out.
 
* [[Five-Mountain Jump]]. There was a wrong kanji in it, but I corrected it, and the translation is the same as far as I know, so no need to change anything I think.
 
* [[Freight Bubbles]]. I added the kanji for that one, because someone else had added the wrong ones, but I don't know if the game name is an accurate translation of the Japanese.
 
* [[Lightning Straight]]. I did my best to add the literal translation of the several kanji in it.
 
* [[Rough Sea Splash]]. I moved it from "Rough Sea Spume" when someone added the kanji.
 
* [[Scale Powder Blasting]]. We've had the kanji for that from day one basically, since they were readable in one of the earliest videos of the game.
 
* [[Scorching River Great Eruption]]. Another one I moved from the game name when someone added the wrong kanji. I put the kanji I found in more than one source.
 
* [[Sickle Mist Technique]]. The "Ninja Art" part was dropped, like in many articles. The only thing I'm not sure if it's "-kiri" or "-giri".
 
* [[Storm Release: Black Hunting]]. I added the kanji, put what I believe to be the proper pronunciation of the kanji in the trivia, and added literal English, which could use a more proper look.
 
* [[Sword of Kagutsuchi]]. Kanji were added when videos with good enough audio became available, they're correct.
 
* [[Tengai Shinsei]]. Actual kanji are finally available, and I think this will end up being left untranslated, kinda in keeping with some other Rinnegan techniques, particularly Deva Path ones, which this also seems to be.
 
* Mifune's ultimate is the only new ultimate we still don't have an article for, because we didn't even have the game name for it. The game name for it is "Resident Decapitation", and the only source I have on the Japanese says his ultimate is called {{translation|居斬|いきる|Ikiru}}. I'm certain that in this technique or in at least one of the above there's a pun or word-play I did not find or recognise.
 
 
I'm still going through sites and lists, and I was able to gather a significant portion of the techniques used in the Ultimate Ninja series, though the thread I made about it in the forums is not up to date with what I have, I'm trying to translate as much as I can before asking for help. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Like I said, I'm trying to get as many game jutsu kanji done by myself before asking for you to take a look at it, because when I do ask for it, it'll be a lot. I have a 50 page long file where I'm listing everything I can. Most of it is already in a thread I made in the forums, spanning from UN1 through UN5, and UNS, but it's still missing UNI/S2/SG/S3 techniques in the thread. Most of UNS2/G is coming from the site I got UNS3 info, since most characters' movesets didn't change, only bummer is that they all lost a combo in UNS3, so there's usually one technique being left out, but that site still hasn't published all the movesets. I'm also trying to find Ultimate Ninja Heroes 3 stuff, since that in the Japanese games, that is sort of what would UN6 would have been (UN4, 5 and that are from the same series subset), but so far all I managed are youtube videos, which are harder to get kanji out of. Something I discovered since making the topic, is that kamakiri, written with the same kama kanji, but using a different kanji for the kiri part, is the word for a praying mantis. I'm sort of wondering in the pun is deliberate, and an indication that the romaji would actually be kamakiri instead of kamagiri. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:54, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Kotoamatsukami ==
 
 
Hi Seelentau, wondering why you removed my edit on Kotoamatsukami regarding the decade limitation between uses?... Do you not agree with what I wrote? Thanks. --[[User:UchihaFan|UchihaFan]] ([[User talk:UchihaFan|talk]]) 17:44, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I agree with you that what I wrote can't be proven literally from manga facts.
 
 
Consequently, the following statement from Shisui's page "This genjutsu however, could only be used once a decade, unless the user had a way to augment the process such as with Hashirama Senju's cells, thereby drastically reducing the time required from ten years to only a few hours." would also be circumstantial conjecture at best and not pure manga facts.
 
 
There are only two references to the use of Kotoamatsukami by Shisui :
 
 
1- Ao fought Shisui and has full knowledge of the ability of his Mangekyō Sharingan.
 
 
2- Shisui tried using Kotoamatsukami to prevent the coup d'etat.
 
 
At the time of his death, Shisui was about the same age as Itachi : around 17 years old... If you assume he did not awake his Mangekyō Sharingan before the age of 7 AND that he can only use Kotoamatsukami twice every decade (once for each eye) then you must conclude that the fight with Ao and the coup d'etat are the only two times Shisui used Kotoamatsukami!
 
 
Furthermore, we know the use of Sharigan by non-Uchiha such as Kakashi is very taxing on chakra, thus it is more than reasonable to assume that the use of Mangekyō Sharingan by a crow would be even more so, to the point that it would take a decade for it to "recharge".
 
 
What are your thoughts on this?...By the way, if I'm bothering you with my questions, don't worry about it, just tell me to shut up! ;-) Thanks --[[User:UchihaFan|UchihaFan]] ([[User talk:UchihaFan|talk]]) 18:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== re:Obito age ==
 
 
Thank you for support ^_ dunno why do people have issues with that. Although, I would like you to check Kakashi's and then Rin and Obito's ninja registration numbers. Is it obviously a retcon, since as of the number, Kakashi was originally to graduate before them, not along with them--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:11, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yes, I obviously know that since I'm saying the same. But Kakashi's ninja registration number is uneven to those of Obito and Kakashi, suggesting difference of years between his participation in the academy and theirs. At least that's how I understand those numbers, Kakashi's is 009720 while Obito and Rin's are 010886 and 010885, suggesting the other two were in the same bunch of graduates--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:31, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Do you understand how the Itachiwashero guy counts? I'm not getting his schematics, I don't want to offend and state him to be wrong, even though I'm more or less certain that Obito is around 34 now. Either I'm too dumb or he isn't explaining it properly.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:47, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Master Chen ==
 
 
From the Old Man and the Dragon's Eye, during the episode, he's also called "Master Chen". What does: {{translation||チェン老師|Chen Rōshi}} translate into exactly? Lord Tangorin gave me some translations, but they don't quite fit Chen. They only fit if I sort of translate them separately, which would result into something like "Old Master". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:31, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Sakumo killing Sasori's parents matter ==
 
 
I know there isn't any specific reference for this, but the war had begun before Nagato turned 10 (since then was after when Jiraiya began teaching him and noted him to have mastered all basic nature transformation and shit at that age) and Nagato's age during his death is around 42, unless I'm mistaken. Sasori's parents died before he turned 5 since that's when grandma with wooden hand started to teach him puppetry, so let's say 4. 35 (his age) - 4 = 31.
 
42 (Nagato's age) - 31 years of difference = 11 and as you may know, Second World War as still raged when Nagato was 11, so Sakumo indeed killed the parents during that war. I'm bringing this up because you have removed that from articles--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:18, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
If we assume the Ame Orphans were about the same age which is safe to I guess, Yahiko died as about 25 years old, SINCE Chouji described him as a man in between 25-30 years old by his appearance, the former being more likely. He died about 17 years before current events during the very end of 3rd Shinobi World War, well... 25+17=42, that's it. Since I doubt Nagato and Konan were older than that, that's their most probable age. Even if it's off by a little bit up or down, Sakumo still killed Sasori's parents during 2nd Shinobi World War for fuc*ing SURE, since it began some time before Nagato's parents died and lasted up to his maturity. Glad I could help--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:38, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Depends, Sasori was 35 as we know. It's not that much of an assumption, let's say Yahiko was rather 30 than 25. 54 (Jiraiya's age) - 17 = 37, I doubt there was only 7 year difference between Ame Orphans and J-man when he began teaching them, that would have made him 17 when fighting Hanzo so improbable, Sannin were like in their early 20's so Nagato and Konan being 42 is a very close approximate rather than assumption. We don't know exactly when 2nd Shinobi World War started, but it was before Nagato turned 10 and lasted up to their maturity. And since there is 7 years of difference between Sasori and Nagato (circa) and the former's parents died before he turned 5, there was definitely a war when Nagato was 11. I mean, it's not completely baseless, is it?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:27, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
His article, something akin to Chiyo teaching him puppetry at 5 to compensate for the loss of his parents--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:34, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Archive ==
 
Hey i would like to ask how can i create an archive?--[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 16:08, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== My apologies ==
 
 
Hopefully you don't take a disagreement personally, you can think anything you want about me but you aren't an authority I must agree with, even though I respect you greatly for things you have done for this place and all. I just think in that case, you are seeing more to it than there is. We were told everyone has an affinity and that Uchihas had one for fire, nowhere it suggests the nature itself is hereditary, rather the talent for it is, because if what you are saying was true, then all Uzumakis would share a single chakra nature or any clan with heavy inbreeding for that matter. The reason why Uchihas do is because it's a tradition to use Katon and what's being passed down with the genes is talent, even a person unrelated to Uchiha may have fire affinity.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:50, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Re-reading some stuff more in-depth, you might be right actually. It would appear that some people's chakra "lean" towards a certain nature. The whole Kakuzu hearts thing hints as such--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:30, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Hi, I don't know if you get on Fan sites but I currently Run http://naruto-fandom.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Fandom_Wiki. I am now looking for admins on the wikia, and ways to figure out how to let people create characters using the infoboxes you guys have here. Let me know if you could possibly help please.
 
 
[[User:EmperorSigma|EmperorSigma]] ([[User talk:EmperorSigma|talk]]) 16:14, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== feedback ==
 
 
Just would like your personal opinion on these:
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Ten-Tails#species/classification%20again%20... the topic is dead, so just to talkpage please
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Earth_Release:_Earth_Shore_Return#Shinobi%20Alliance something has to be done
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kabuto_Yakushi#the_article_as_is transfusion and transplants do not alter DNA
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Six_Paths_of_Pain#Madara_Says :-/
 
* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Orochimaru#when_head_hit_a_wall a serious one
 
Thank you--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:28, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
So you do in fact agree with some of my sentiments? But this is a wiki, shouldn't be about "who is right" but "what is correct" The only "evidence" they would likely accept is if Kishimoto himself has appeared sitting on their laps, whispering into their ears, while massaging their nipples, this reminds me the whole "is Orochimaru a Sage?" case and many religion-science related topic I have had in the past, I know it's unrelated to this show, but trying to convince fanatics in delusion is pretty much the same.
 
Still, I'd like to hear at least your personal opinion on topics 1, 3 and 5.
 
The author is limited in how much he can explain things and progress the plot at the same time, the manga chapters are getting shorter and shorter... (no idea why is that, but perhaps it's not selling enough?)
 
Funny, since the topics were brought up because the manga ITSELF says otherwise to what we have listed here.
 
First, it's clear Kishimoto obviously has a pretty clear distinction between DNA and cells. A foreign cell doesn't alter DNA of host cell, at least in most cases not, especially not blood cells, unless it's a parasitic virus. The only thing that blood juice did to Kabuto was the injected cells were trying to defeat Kabuto's immune system, procreate and replace his own cells, but his body WON and reverted the process. Kishimoto EVEN bothered to explain what happened to Kabuto and why he looked like that by drawing Jugo and having him clarify it was a result of Sage Transformation (Jugo's own mutative ability), commenting on Orochimaru's doing, that what he did was absorb the chakra that Kabuto had from Anko and undo his Senninka.
 
So already two-three things are false on Narutopedia:
 
* we state he is a mutant, which is false
 
* that Orochimaru's DNA was responsible for his form, while he purposely took on that form
 
* for this, people get confused ans speculate that he lost these powers, which is false, Orochimaru didn't suck out his blood or anything.
 
 
The one about white-snake guy's sealing is an obvious one, I don't think I have to repeat myself for 50th time. And at last, Jubi's classification as a "tailed beast" is definitely incorrect, I'm 99% sure of that. Not only it's false, but we should update information as more is getting revealed, the latest pieces of information state it's a deity, so we should list it as such. Another thing, [[Demonic Statue of the Outer Path]] and [[Ten-Tails]] should have been merged long ago in my opinion. Sorry if it's too long :-/--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:36, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== The big one ==
 
 
Well, here it comes. The single, most massive translation check request you'll ever receive. Going through the sources linked and mentioned at forum topic, I have done my best to list pretty much every possible technique in the Ultimate Ninja series. There are still a few to come in, but that depends on the site I get kanji for UNS3 updating. At the moment, all the kanji I can copy and paste from somewhere else is listed and translated. The only specific aid I can still provide, other than answering particulars about some translations here and there, is to link specifically for the UNH3 moveset videos, since that one, I wasn't able to find actual moveset lists that I can copy and paste. Don't hesitate to bug me about it, you'll probably want once you see the size of list, if you haven't already. [[Forum:Video game jutsu overhaul|The list]]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:31, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Your skills are required ==
 
 
What exactly did Zetsu say about Nagato's relation to the Senju in chapter 606, page 12 should it be? Thank you.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:53, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
So the word "descent" is really there? I trust you more than some random forum guy, so I take it Uzumaki are indeed descendants of Senju?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:09, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
But doesn't lineage go both ways, meaning Uzumaki could have been first? This is his response to your translation:
 
* There is no word there that says descend 降りる from Senju Lineage, it says of Senju Lineage/Blood Relations (Kettō), you will never find the descend or descendant Kanji on that text. The Viz Translation uses "of"
 
* We have here the Younger Son who clearly isn't known to have had red hair, in fact if we look at the anime depiction, the hair color is black and none of his shown Senju descendants did have red hair.
 
* Then suddenly there's a "descendant" clan (Uzumaki) of the Younger Son whose pure blooded members (Naruto is half) all have red hair? Impossible. Obviously the Uzumakis like ancient clans practice "inbreeding" that they have always had red hair.
 
 
Taking Biology into account, hair is one of the most consistent genes, and having the same color of hair in a clan who inbreeds is true. It doesn't make sense that a "descending" clan could develop such an unorthodox hair color if the original hair color was a different color. The interbreeding clan (Senju) would have to have red hair, or a strong dominant gene for it, but the Senjus don't, and red hair in itself is a recessive gene in humans.
 
 
Oh, also unrelated, but latest chapters again likely wrongly supports that Hashirama had lived long enough to see Tsunade develop super strength, so about her late childhood/early adolescence I would say... unless she was born like that. Databooks suggest one thing, manga SEVERAL others. Chapter cover 303 says that by Part II. it's been 50 years since his death, meaning he died when Tsunade was 4 .__.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:56, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Also isn't Hashirama's god gate no jutsu a barrier technique rather than sealing technique?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:10, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You are correct, it's missing in the volume release. This is the only thing I could get http://a.mpcdn.net/manga/p/739/132537/1.jpg ... could be photoshopped or otherwise added by anyone but Kishimoto? take a look before it gets deleted :P--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:55, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Hmm... it's present on all scanlation covers. Anyway, we can be "sure" Hashirama outlived Tobirama 0_o--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:03, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Tailed Beasts were created in the Jubi's image and share its chakra, their souls were inserted by Rikudou Sennin. Black Zetsu was created in image of White Zetsu, shares his power and is Madara's will embodied. I strongly believe what Madara did back there was Creation of All Things--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:53, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yes. It's about concept, both cases were created from something (Tailed Beasts from Jubi's chakra, Black Zetsu from White Zetsu's body) and forms of both are embodiment of will/imagination - Yin and then blown life with - Yang.
 
Well, White Zetsus are clones of Hashirama or rather even possibly clones of [[Hashirama's Living Clone]] but as you can see, the latter has no soul/consciousness. Zetsus look NOTHING like Hashirama despite having his DNA, meaning their form was Madara's invention "yin" and he made them alive unlike HLC with "yang" Uchiha Madara in the end, indeed is a lesser version of Sage of Six Paths, also stated by Kabuto.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:59, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
No. Also Tailed Beasts weren't created from Jubi, just its chakra. Seemingly even after the process, some had left since Madara sucked it to stay alive. In both cases, something serves as a medium (chakra, body) Rikudou Sennin didn't have to completely (or almost completely) rid the Jubi of its chakra, it was in order to defeat it. Since only a fragment of each of the Tailed Beasts' chakra is/would be enough to revive it, so would have been a fragment enough to create them in the first place. White Zetsus were definitely created with Yin-Yang release too, not only Madara's statement suggests it, but also [[Swirl Zetsu]] serves as enough of a proof to me, his forms represents... lack of imagination :D He might have been the very first before Madara settled on the final "design"--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:46, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
For you it represents a different technique somehow, while to me it seems to be the same thing. The separation part isn't mandatory to the technique. As I said, So6p didn't have to make Jubi an invalid, he could have just used a little bit of its existing chakra rather than permanently removing it from its body and splitting it. But I strongly believe that a medium may be a necessity (not a requirement tho) for Creation of All Things, since there's only as much "imagination" can do. It's easier to do it according to a template/from something than to make nothing turn into existence. Both White and Black Zetsus were created using yin-yang release. Hash's cells as a medium => giving it form and other qualities/attributes with yin => giving it life with yang. For BZ, using already shaped Hash from WZ => turning it into will embodied thus slightly altering its mind and form with yin => giving it life with yang.
 
 
I know where you think is a difference though. Adam being made of soil/dirt while Eva from his rib? Now, what more reasoning do you still have for Madara not being BS user?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:43, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
He did, he didn't take a part of WZ like his rib and made BZ from it, he created BZ only accordingly to WZ to fit him, notice that BZ is different, so there's body forming. He only glued them together, BZ didn't grow from WZ's body--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:10, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'm saying he didn't grow from his body, by "gluing" I meant that BZ grew in place where WZ has half his side missing. He isn't his alter-ego since they are both separate individuals, so the comparison doesn't work--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:21, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You are right. But how does that change being yin-yang release? Even Madara says so. Cool, so WZ's leg was sacrificed to make BZ, they both are still separate entities though. Think of them as of conjoined twins--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:40, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Whatever the case, he used YYR to create WZs, so still not creation of all things?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:07, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think all YYR techniques work the same, creating stuff and **** therefore it must be the same technique Rikudou Sennin used. Izanagi is Yin-Yang Release too, yet it's not "creation" rather manipulation of tangible and intangible, switching them around. I believe either manga states it's it soon, or next databook will list him, but I think we should list him already now, there's not much harm, is there? EDIT: also I believe GoDai already has an explanation for the whole "shinobi alliance doton users" thingy--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:17, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Fūtō ==
 
 
The kanji are taken from the spoiler script found [http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=47360665&postcount=8 here]. [[User:Blackstar1|Blackstar1]] ([[User talk:Blackstar1|talk]]) 20:15, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Something interesting? ==
 
 
In mangastream's version of 632, they put in these two pages after the colour spread, seems to be a sort of recap about Naruto and Sasuke. In [http://blog.pierrot.jp/archives/5526 this] Pierrot blog post, there seems to be something about Road to Ninja and the Prologue to Road to Ninja episode. Something interesting in either of these? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 05:51, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== should explain the alliance thing? ==
 
 
A nature can be used either as an energy with each having unique properties, or as a material. And according to Godai, using pre-existing source of material (which is more than likely true since it's suggested by usage of techniques) requires less of elemental chakra to manipulate and less skill too.
 
For an example, using nearby water source to form a dragon is less taxing and difficult than what Tobirama did against Hiruzen in manga, creating it from chakra. So same goes for the Earth Wall. Everyone's chakra can be changed into either of the five natures. While it takes years of training to use nature besides one's own affinity, the chakra has since it must have hints of all 5, otherwise it should be possible to change it into anything, not just those main things. The "affinity leaning" must be something contained within cells of an individual which create the chakra rather than the chakra itself, supported by having an organ transplanted giving a nature to the recipient, while getting chakra restored with transfer technique or absorbing it from anyone, DOESN'T grant a new nature. It all supports my understanding ;-) but back to the point.
 
 
So while it may be difficult for someone with Wind affinity to use Fire, Hand Seals should help, since they make control and concentration easier. So in my opinion and I strongly believe it, anyone can create elemental chakra of any x from the 5 natures to a '''lesser''' extent. For example Naruto was told to imagine two forces grinding edges against each other which would thin and sharpen his chakra in order to create stronger and more of wind natured chakra. So perhaps Katon chakra is being created by thinking of sensation of heat? Water by concentrating about wet and imagining waves? Well in short, if the lesser extent is true and with the GoDai stuff, using pre-existing earth from ground made it much easier, while they wouldn't be able to use it like Hiruzen did, spitting it from mouth. As much and you dislike it and don't want to hear it, if true it says than anyone can do (as long as skilled enough) a basic let's say C or D rank Katon, Doton, Suiton, Raiton and Fuuton technique with hand seals and available material medium. Even though Naruto's affinity is Wind, he isn't skilled at Fuuton, since he can just create amount and maintain it long enough to combine it with shape transformation and form a Shuriken. But he is yet to be shown infusing/enhancing already existing air with wind chakra like Temari, and nowhere close to Danzo (which I would say was the most impressive user) blowing sharp air from mouth.
 
So in short, Naruto is the same level Fuuton user as Shikamaru, Chouji and Ino are Doton, a low one. But he had to combine it with Rasengan and it was hard due to "looking left while also looking right" thingy and he has to use wind natured chakra as energy to do this, while the 3 had benefit of using existing material and doing only very basic form of shape transformation. Disagree?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:19, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That's not really how it works because your saying that by thinking of a certain scene or sensation you can use any element and it shouldn't be hard for naruto to do fire style the thing is that you have to do apply Nature Transformation to change your chakra to a specific type.[[User:Whiteraven1|Whiteraven1]] ([[User talk:Whiteraven1|talk]]) 18:39, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== strength of a hundred seal ==
 
 
What evidence is there to suggest that it's a separate technique from "yin seal" ? Just because the "release" fuinjutsu is called "yin seal: release" doesn't mean the "storage" technique has to be yin seal. Doesn't have to follow Shiki Fuujin pattern.
 
The thing that it increased her strength and stuff is speculation, hell, she hasn't done anything close to Tsunade yet. Also someone should get his/her shit straight already, now one article says one thing, some else another, like [[Cherry Blossom Impact]] states Sakura to be user of [[Yin Seal]]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:22, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Byakugō is written here with another kanji than in [[Strength of a Hundred Technique]], right? So shouldn't it have another name?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 16:01, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Yin seal stuff ==
 
 
I'm still catching up a bit. I don't edit for just under two days, discussion on a subjects kicks it into overdrive in more than one talk page, talk about Murphy's Law. Anyway, I have not read everything (and probably won't), but what I currently in-series is that: Strength of a Hundred Seal so far is another name for Yin Seal (I read Shizune's sentence as in "the seal needed for SoaH"), Sakura does have Yin Seal, and based on her thoughts she can/will release it, so she should be listed as having it (think Obito with Human Path claim), but we still don't know which technique she's going to use, just Creation Rebirth, or actually Strength of a Hundred, which would imply in her know CR too, as we currently list SoaH as a derived one from it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:12, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Seal of White Strength ==
 
 
Shouldn't [[White Strength Seal]] be named "Seal of White Strength?" 白豪'''の'''印. After looking up some seal techniques, not every technique has の/''no'' in it's kanji (e.g., [[Five Elements Seal]]), but when it does (e.g., [[Shrine Seal]]), shouldn't we acknowledge that? Like we do for [[Strength of a Hundred Technique]], [[Sword of Totsuka]] and other techniques with の/''no'' in their kanji.
 
 
I know the whole の thing is a little troublesome and sometimes gets in the way of translations, but shouldn't we be consistent with this? General Awesomo 10:55, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
:As far as I know, we've never been consistent with that. Many Jutsu have names like "x no Jutsu" and are translated as "x Technique", that's why I decided to go with that translation. Of course you're free to change it, but I think this whole matter has lived through enough changes in the past week. I don't want to change anything related to it until we've more information on that topic. Oh, and as Omnibender said, they don't have to be translated as "Technique of x", although I handle it like this in the German Narutopedia. As I mentioned somewhere else, I really don't know why Suki-senpai named the Byakugō no Jutsu that way, it should've been either "Hundred Strength Technique" or "Technique of Hundred Strength", since its Japanese name is Byakugō no Jutsu and not Byaku no Gō (no) Jutsu. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:37, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Tail Chasing Fang Rotating Fang ==
 
 
Could you check if the change by anonymous user was correct: is it "ooi gagatenga" or "ooi gatenga"? By the way, could you check if full name of [[Human Beast Combination Transformation: Three-Headed Wolf]] is correct?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 23:09, June 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
:OK, thanks.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 18:52, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Well, thanks for response anyway.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 18:29, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
:By the way, with "Formation E", how will E be read in Japanese?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 18:48, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Thanks.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 19:05, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Episode 316 translation stuff ==
 
 
Hi Seelentau and how are you? Long time no see there ... I have question and request about the latest episode. The question is could you give the moniker name of [[Heiji]] that he said to Kabuto? And my request is if you could check the kanji names and literal meaning of the episode technique like [[Earth Release: Sand Dance]] and [[Winding Smoke Technique]] and [[Daimaru]]'s moniker name. Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 08:14, June 7, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Kidaichū ==
 
 
Any mistakes in how scanlations translated what Shino said about them? I want to make a page for the new bug species. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:52, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== re: age estimates ==
 
 
There's a reference in his article.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:32, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yes and no? You are correct at that my dear, but Minato wasn't older than mid-twenties during his death since he was Nagato's generation.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:00, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
* Shikamaru, Chouji and Ino are the same age as Naruto, so even if possibly wrong, it's more than slightly reasonable to assume that his father would be about the same age as their parents by now (circa 41, 1 year more or less)
 
* More likely than not, Jiraya began teaching Minato after Nagato, once returning from 2nd Shinobi World War. J-man left Nagato as 10 years old and Minato just graduated form Academy as 10 years old to become J-man's student, so they both were mostly the same age, difference of months. Chouji described Yahiko as someone of age 25-30, the former more likely. 25+17 (he died about 1 year before Naruto's birth) equals 42, Nagato and Konan's ages. 42-16 = 26, Minato's age when he died.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:34, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Forwards ==
 
 
Grammatically, it's not correct from what I know at least. Forward still indicates a definite direction, but I'm guessing you wanted it to convey the verb meaning in terms of movement right? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:50, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Chapter 634 ==
 
 
Could you write down translations of the new techniques?--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 21:56, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for cheching them.--[[User:LeafShinobi|LeafShinobi]] ([[User talk:LeafShinobi|talk]]) 14:27, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Oro Zetsu stuff ==
 
 
My sincerest apology for the constant interruption and bothering of yours with matters of little life relevant importance, but your expertise is unmatched amongst us, that's why I look up to you with another request you could help with I'm certain; if not for the feedback, we would appreciate if you told us what does the sound effect after Orochimaru transfers his being into the Zetsu clone and when he transforms say? Thousands thanks in advance.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:43, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Sure, but sugar-coating is my specialty, that's why I still have all my teeth intact :D But to get to the task, chapter 618 page 15 or so.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:55, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
So all in all it says nothing afraid, am I? 0_0 What's your opinion on the matter? And yes, sometimes we get lot of inactive editors and at times like this, the very opposite of that...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:34, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Lol, fair enough and no, should be all for now. But crap? Well, it used to be better, but I wouldn't say that. Do you read anything else?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:24, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Hmm... I guess so. Actually, I read something similar a few days ago, about fans falsely predicting and believing things to be as they want them, only to be disappointed once they turn out differently - going against their wishes, not realizing they aren't the author but readers. Then they say x is crap because it didn't happen their way etc. But well, I'm here mostly for the community too, there still is stuff that interest me and I'm happy about some things like Oro coming back and so on, but I would say it has lost its appeal due to being too long and getting less about ninja than anything, even though the Hashirama's flashback kinda brought back for a little the original theme. Also may I ask when it happened? You loosing most of interest I mean, since I remember you worked on the timeline and similar stuff--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:48, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
You might have "Orochimaru's syndrome" 0_0 once you achieve immortality, you cease valuing life and seeing its true meaning and beauty. Hopefully you won't leave anytime soon, not because we need a translator, but because many have left as of late. Hell, I even miss X29 :D Also people with more than half a brain are needed because as you can see, most of the fanbase aren't the cleverest of folks ._.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:33, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Light and Dark==
 
Hey, Seelentau. I neither know if I can add this to your talk page, nor if it's appropriate, but I am compelled to ask you an important question to me. First off, i'd would like to say that unlike most of the Naruto fanbase, I don't read the series blindly and solely for entertainment. I am more interested in deciphering the many morals, lessons, and overall meaning that Kishi offers in Naruto. With that, I tend to compare it to our lives and how the world is. And for a translator like yourself, whether or not you enjoy the series as much as I do, I know that you must surely be a person who pays close attention to detail. My guess is that most translators do.
 
:However, before I digress, allow me to present my question to you if you don't mind answering it. Hiruzen and Danzo are two characters who have represented light and dark in the series, much like Madara and Hashirama. In your opinion, which group of individuals are a better representation?
 
::Hiruzen and Danzo or Hashirama and Madara? [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 05:46, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Thank You!!! I thought you might say, due to the fact that they were the original. Also, I like your point about the fact that Hiruzen and Danzo were pretty much stained and shaped by Konoha's environment at the time (kind of like parents and kids). Oh, and just as I imagined you would, you gave me an honest answer, instead of backing it up with bias like most would. Thanks, Seelentau, if I have any more questions, I will look forward to your opinion. [[File: Senju_Symbol.svg|20px]]'''KotoSenju''' ''('''OldUser:'''JaZZBaND)''-[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|Contributions]] 15:51, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== [[Soul Removal]]'s new name ==
 
 
Is there any way we can make Absorption Soul Technique sound more...English? Absorbing Soul Technique? General Awesomo 22:40, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:...what? Do you want a translation of the Japanese name or an English name based on that translation? Those names aren't actually supposed to sound English at all, they're just representing the Japanese word in another language. Furthermore, the same Kanji is translated as "Absorbtion" [[Spiralling Absorption Sphere|here]], that's why I translated it that way. Oh and if you want me to answer you on your talk page, I suggest you put a link to it in your signature. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:53, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I was just wondering if 吸 could also be translated as "absorbing" or other variants of the word. So that maybe we can make a better sounding name.
 
 
::Also, I don't see the point of having a discussion being split up by two user talk pages. Why do some users do that? General Awesomo 22:59, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::It could, but as I said, this isn't about good sounding or so. People do that because it's hard to keep track of the discussion. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:03, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I'm just saying if we can make it sound a little better without disrupting the translation, it wouldn't hurt. But I'll respect this decision, and I'll try to get used to this way of discussing. General Awesomo ([[User talk:General Awesomo|talk]]) 23:26, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen! Ich verstehe, warum du sauer bist, aber in manchen Fällen muss man einfach über die Ignoranz und Sturheit der anderen hinwegsehen, bis eine glasklare Antwort vom Mangaka kommt (am besten in Form eines neuen Databooks, wann immer das auch sein mag). Aus genau diesem Grund nehme ich an den meisten Diskussionen nicht teil, weil ich Angst hab, mir das Wiki dadurch verderben zu lassen.

Auch wenn wir bis jetzt nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten bitte ich dich, die Sache mit dem Aufhören nochmal zu überdenken. Immerhin bist du meiner Meinung nach eine der wenigen Personen hier mit einem gesunden Menschenverstand, ganz zu schweigen von deinen Japanisch-Kenntnissen. Dein Verlassen wäre ein Verlust für das Wiki, ganz sicher! Norleon (talk) 23:03, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I'd like you to Edit

Request denied. You're upset that's understandable. You want to leave, that is understandable. But I'm not going to encourage this kind of response by banning you and keeping you from coming back if you calm down and decide you want to come back.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 15:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Your a great addition to this wiki and deep down i don't think anyone wants you to leave. The wiki needs you. Munchvtec (talk) 17:38, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Seelentau-san, what's going on?! I was held at school, so I couldn't come on the wiki until now, but from what I understand, you're leaving? Why?! The wiki needs, and I'll be really sad if you leave. :(--NinjaSheik 02:26, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Apology & Question Edit

So, first, I would like you to know that, though I disagreed venomously with your analysis of the Jiton (and still do), I do not harbor any ill will towards you. I'm glad you decided to stick around because, truth be told, you were right about one thing: you are a pretty unbias reader of the series. Doesn't mean I agree with some of your explanations, but I'd be wrong not to say as much. I never wanted to drive you from the wiki because, as many others have expressed, you are very much needed here and it would truly be a loss for the wiki without you around. If you still dislike me, well, I can't help that, but I do want to extend to you an sincere apology for letting my frustration with everything get the best of me. I miss the days when we, as a site, could sit down and discuss conflicting ideas without feeling the burning desire to tear each other's throats out and I know you feel the same.

That being said, I have an honest question for you in regards to the Gudōdama. We're both aware of how contentious that debate is, and the fact of the matter is, we're banging our heads into a wall over some fairly simple questions. It is my belief that Kishimoto finally gave us the natures for the Gudōdama (regardless of the user; the technique itself) with Black Zetsu's remark. I realize that some disagree with me on this point, and you might too, which is the point of my question:

After examining the RAW of Black Zetsu's text, and knowing what previous characters have said in regards to the Truth-Seeking Balls, do you think that solid manga evidence suggests that each user's Gudōdama is of a different and unique composition? Or do you think that the technique, like any other technique, is composed of the exact same elements?

That question seems to be the only one keeping us from finally putting this whole TSB debate behind us once and for all. Let me be clear, I don't care either way. I have my beliefs, but if the manga says something, we obviously need to document it. If its still too ambiguous, we wait, but recently it was decided that every user had the same natures except Naruto, whom the consensus said should have every nature but Yin-Yang, due to a few user's absolute refusal to believe he can use them. I just want the issue behind us. So, regarding that question, what is your thoughts? (And for any third party reading this, please don't butt in. Its rude to barge into other's conversations.) ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:06, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

I suppose the only logical thing to do then is to wait, and, as you said, record what we know. Madara did say something about being surprised that Naruto wasn't erased when he blocked his Gudōdama, and thought that it might have something to do with him being heavily wounded (having not noticed his senjutsu enhancement yet), so I assume that means his can too. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:40, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
I believe the evidence is there for Jiton. Using context clues and making an assumption are two different things. With the TSB, I understand the convolution, but there really is nothing like that for Gaara, Shukaku, and the other Jiton users. If you go back and read all of related chapters (even some of Gaara's words in his fight with Kimimaro) its quite apparent that's what Kishi intended. TheUltimate3 and the others have a valid point when they say Kishimoto won't tell us everything. Like any author, he's going to assume that we have the necessary material to put two and two together to get four. In areas where its murky (I believe that 3 out of 4 users of TSB having consistently all the same thing isn't murky, but I can see why you and others do), we can just do our best and record only what has been flat out told to us, but in areas where its pretty much obvious, we need to be readers, no Kishi's editors, and do the math. That's just my opinion though. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 00:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Its pretty simple: does the manga support it, or is the evidence too flimsy to hold up? If someone can show me page, after page, after page, after chapter, after interview, after quote, etc, ect, that something is a certain way in the manga and it all holds up: add it. There's nothing wrong with that. Jiton is one example of that. When Gaara's father displayed the exact same rings as his son in his eyes, Kishi was basically handing us that information on a platter, regardless of whether we think so or not. If weren't a contributor to this wiki, and was just reading this manga to myself, that would've been an "Aha!" moment for me, because I'm the type of reader who will connect information. That's part of reading a story like this and its enjoyable when the author wants you to notice something rather than slap you in the face with information all the time. Sometimes, they want you to find it yourself, and I have fun looking for it. But if someone tells me that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells, for example (this was an actual argument), just because Kabuto said he used his studies of Hashirama's cells to heal him, and that's the only evidence they give me, I'm going to wave them off and call crap on it.
That's why I, personally, wasn't involving Science in the Jiton debate (yes, I know others were). Kishi says he sucks at Science. We don't know how much he sucks (he obviously thought that Sakura's method of keeping Naruto alive was legit, for example; it wasn't. Punched through a rib and a lung scientifically), so its an assumption to say he'd even know what diamagnetism is. To him, it literally could've been as simple as "Hey, I want [insert Jiton user here] to magnetize this!" and that's it. But the manga itself held up, in my view, consistently. So to answer your question in one concerted effort: Where do we draw the line? If the manga supports it, and we can give enough references to back it up, add it. If it doesn't hold up or the references are too flimsy to use? Wait. That's how I see it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:00, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's where consensus comes in. Its one thing if one or two people are seeing the same thing. If three, four, five people are all seeing the same thing based on the same evidence, you've got one of two things going on: mass hysteria, which is unlikely, or something legitimate is being presented. I mean, the consensus, prior to your analysis on Jiton, was literally unanimous. Even in the recent debates, I only saw Elveonora and Munch (can never say his full username) that still saw things similarly to you (Elve had his own ideas, but that's getting more and more common lately). And what's more, we were all seeing the same evidence. The same consistency. The same patterns and the same context clues. In those cases, consensus is our best option. If there isn't one, then obviously the evidence is too flimsy. You'll see me doing the same thing. Where I'm on the fence with something, or want to believe something, but the current evidence just doesn't hold up, so I'll ask to wait on it. I have no problem waiting when the information isn't there. Its when we literally have the answer right in front of us and we're screaming at each other over the stupidest technicalities that I start having issues. As for "grasping for straws", I shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon, and I apologize. I let my frustration get the better of me. But there are cases of that. The debate on whether or not Naruto could use certain elements through his connection to the Bijū, for example. We had one user who just refused to let it go through and was even reverting the edits once the decision was made out of nothing more than his own stubbornness to give in. That is grasping for straws and when that happens, we obviously need to deal with the user in question, because that's a person problem, not a wiki issue. So, yes, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
If the manga supports it? Absolutely. Kishi may retcon or correct facts later, but you can't tell a group of users who have reference after reference from the manga supporting their argument that they are wrong. Their basis is the manga. No different from anything else we add on this wiki. I mean, if we can't use the manga to prove our points, and get stuff done around here, we might as well lock the entire wiki until the series ends and the last databook comes out. We have to do something, Seel. Its not like we're saying, okay, add whatever you want to the wiki! We're saying, "If you have credible, consistent (direct confirmation works too, obviously) and the consensus sees it, then we add it. If you don't, we wait." That's not a bad system. It literally requires manga evidence, which is what you want in the first place, correct? Like I said, Kishimoto isn't going to tell us everything on a neon billboard. No author anywhere does that, so we shouldn't expect him too either. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 02:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in... Edit

But I had to tell you this. I overlooked your messaging with TTF, and you asked if Madara ever negated something with his TSBs. He did actually, in chapter 665, page 12 when he cut off Minato's left arm with his TSB. Minato's left arm never grew back, just like Obito did with Minato's right arm. So yeah, Madara's TSB also has Yin-Yang Release. Again, didn't mean to butt in and be rude, that's why I created a separate headline on your page, but I was just trying to help. :) Glad you haven't left the wiki, that would have been a blow to Narutopedia. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do, Madara is a known YYR user since he had told Obito he would teach him just that--Elveonora (talk) 09:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

SPS&Rinnegan Edit

Not entirely:

  • both Naruto and Sasuke received power from Hagoromo which allowed them to awake SPST and Rinnegan respectively (I originally thought it was because of Hashirama stuff alone), so having 9TBs chakras by itself wouldn't give him SPST without Hagoromo's touch--Elveonora (talk) 22:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I mean latest chapter made it clear that Hagoromo has to do with their SPST and Rinnegan (so the tattoos weren't the only things he gave them) but Hagoromo didn't give Naruto TB chakra, they themselves did and Obito did the remaining 2. So whatever Hagoromo gave Naruto is the "missing piece" to the puzzle.--Elveonora (talk) 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Talk about coincidental timing 0_0 we messaged each other at the same time :P And yes, latest chapter makes it seem Hagoromo has to do with their powers, but you may figure out otherwise once you get your hands on the raw or so. And even though Madara didn't meet Hagoromo, he was TT jinch. TT is 9TB + x, the 'x' being what allows Six Paths Sage Technique--Elveonora (talk) 10:21, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo said that giving power only to one of them resulted in Ashura and Indra rivalry, giving power to both Naruto and Sasuke didn't fix it tho. So if the only power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were the tattoos, then either Ashura or Indra must have had one or both tattoos as well. Unless he was talking about different thing than the tattoos--Elveonora (talk) 10:27, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Indra was already born with strong chakra and Ashura's eventually matured/bloomed as time went on. But birth inheritance isn't gift, unless Hagoromo created Ashura weak and Indra strong with Creation of All Things. So I suppose what the original gift refers to is Ashura's "battle avatar" Hagoromo likely gave Ashura Six Paths Senjutsu. Indra wasn't given anything, thus had only Sharingan. This time around, Hagoromo not only has given Ashura's incarnate Six Paths Senjutsu, but Rinnegan to Indra's incarnate as well. This way it makes sense--Elveonora (talk) 10:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

But Ashura eventually became equal to Indra. Hagoromo says giving power to one caused rivalry, so that doesn't seem like it refers to one of them having been born stronger. Hagoromo had no input about how their genes would turn out. Also I believe in an older chapter this is referenced and Hagoromo says he gave power to Ashura, so giving power to Ashura made him stronger than Indra thus caused trouble and as such can't refer to their birth inheritance, since Ashura was the weaker one originally. But you are the translator, so you may know better--Elveonora (talk) 10:52, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

So Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke successorship to Ninshu? That's it, Hagoromo made a clear parallel between giving power to Naruto and Sasuke and having given power just to Ashura--Elveonora (talk) 11:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think in the latest chapter. But you may want to take this to relevant talkpage for everyone to chime in.--Elveonora (talk) 11:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths for Kaguya Edit

I thought it was agreed that Kaguya has no involvement to the Six Paths or any related techniques.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:05, September 11, 2014

I believe it was during the discussion of the Truth-Seeking Balls.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:11 September 11, 2014

stuff Edit

Rikudou Rod etc. were also used I believe, but by Naruto and he likes to give weird nicknames. In my honest opinion "six paths" simply means Hagoromo, thus six path's means Hagoromo's.

  • Hagoromo's Senjutsu (his Senjutsu)
  • Hagoromo's Chakra (his chakra)
  • Hagoromo's Power (his power, unspecified)
  • Hagoromo's Yin Power/Yang Power (his power, specified)
  • Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei (specialized version of the technique)
  • Hagoromo's Technique (his personal technique with the Rinnegan)--Elveonora (talk) 20:31, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. But within the context of what we know, all six paths stuff = hagoromo stuff. There's no way to figure why he is six paths and what it is tho. We may need a databook for that. And I think your list should be complete, I don't recall any other six paths good job--Elveonora (talk) 21:06, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

You did, but honestly, half the terms most likely refer to the same thing. Also in case you would, then be so nice and give some input to these:

Thanks in advance. The first, Six Paths Yin/Yang Powers were never called Yin and Yang nature releases, were they? The second, I believe you also know that Naruto is just a pseudo jinchuuriki of 1-8 TBs and not a full one. The third, is Naruto even an user of kekkei mora? He asks the Tailed Beasts for the natures, so he doesn't know how to use them himself. Therefore I think it's nonsensical that he has the ability to merge all natures that he can't even use, not to mention it has a genetic vibe to it, therefore in my opinion only Kaguya and Hagoromo should be considered users, not her jinchuuriki--Elveonora (talk) 21:17, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

That's understandable, but man, If I had to count how many times I wanted to almost leave the wiki ... :P But what would this place be without me, right? :D Anyway:

  • I guess you are right. Although that's the reason why I'm wondering, are there things such as Six Paths Yin/Yang Release? :O

And funny you mention that. The term pseudo worked just fine, until certain people changed it as they deemed fit with "logic" that "when chakra talks, they are full jinchuuriki" or so, like wtf. But I don't think you should be quiet about this, once the raw comes out and it implies that the Tailed Beasts aren't truly within Naruto, then you should let people know. And I know. Fact is, our beliefs are to be put in line soon, very soon... as soon as Naruto's TSB clashes with Sasuke or his technique ;) I admit that there's a chance we are wrong, but in my opinion more things imply his aren't all natures. So if we turn out to be wrong, then I will personally apologize to everyone I disagreed with and leave with a tail in between my legs--Elveonora (talk) 21:51, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Your opinions on stuff Edit

I just wanted to say that I completely agree and support all the stuff you say. i agree with your opinion's on magnet release too. Just wanted to let you know that your not the only user that doesnt agree with all the bull shit that gets added. Munchvtec (talk) 00:10, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Butting in :P the thing is, it shouldn't be about an agreement to begin with. If millions of people decide to agree about something that's just plain wrong, it won't become right anywhere but in their own heads. And even if they are right, they still are making an assumption (even if true) thus are jumping the gun, before it's actually known to be true.--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Help Edit

How do i make articles that don't have a template like for example an article on a book not the volume? Munchvtec (talk) 18:13, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

no offense taken and i was gonna create articles for the three anime profiles books. Munchvtec (talk) 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Edit

In the chapter that Naruto seals Madara's shadows in, he refers to the black rods as the "Sage's Rods". I don't know if that means anything or what the RAW's actually say, but I thought I'd bring that to your attention. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:58, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

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