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== Chapter 621 translation ==
 
   
Hi Seelentau, I want to ask about the third missing kanji of Hashirama's Hotei no Jutsu, have you found it? And about Hōbi no Jutsu, is it better to move the page to its literal name? or that's better? —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:31, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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== Verlassen des Wikis ==
:Omni-san just added a third kanji for "Hotei", but I don't know if it's right or not. I checked a bad quality scanned panel for this jutsu. So it was unclear for me. And about the naming, let's wait for Viz translation of these technqiues to see what are the appropriate translations for that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:07, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen! Ich verstehe, warum du sauer bist, aber in manchen Fällen muss man einfach über die Ignoranz und Sturheit der anderen hinwegsehen, bis eine glasklare Antwort vom Mangaka kommt (am besten in Form eines neuen Databooks, wann immer das auch sein mag). Aus genau diesem Grund nehme ich an den meisten Diskussionen nicht teil, weil ich Angst hab, mir das Wiki dadurch verderben zu lassen.
   
== Re: Unconfirmed Kanji ==
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Auch wenn wir bis jetzt nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten bitte ich dich, die Sache mit dem Aufhören nochmal zu überdenken. Immerhin bist du meiner Meinung nach eine der wenigen Personen hier mit einem gesunden Menschenverstand, ganz zu schweigen von deinen Japanisch-Kenntnissen. Dein Verlassen wäre ein Verlust für das Wiki, ganz sicher! [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 23:03, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Sorry, but I added the kanji form the chapter scripts on [http://naruto-spoiler.seesaa.net/article/332165522.html this webpage]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:53, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: I'd like you to ==
   
== Veil of Cat Fire ==
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Request denied. You're upset that's understandable. You want to leave, that is understandable. But I'm not going to encourage this kind of response by banning you and keeping you from coming back if you calm down and decide you want to come back.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
From [http://www.bandaigames.channel.or.jp/list/naruto_storm3/images/system/03/06utakata/02.jpg here], I think I found the missing kanji from {{translation|?炎猫火||Ten'en Byōka}}: . Is that the one? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:30, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Your a great addition to this wiki and deep down i don't think anyone wants you to leave. The wiki needs you. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 17:38, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
:So, "Wrapping Blaze Cat Fire" or "Wrapping Flame Cat Fire"? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:25, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Kanji ==
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Seelentau-san, what's going on?! I was held at school, so I couldn't come on the wiki until now, but from what I understand, you're leaving? Why?! The wiki needs, and I'll be really sad if you leave. :(--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 02:26, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
Hey Seelentau, ich find's zwar mittlerweile schon komisch sich hier auf deutsch zu unterhalten, aber was soll's! Ich arbeite als admin momentan auf einem anderen wiki aktiv mit und wir stehen gerade vor einem kleinen Problem. Viele Familiennamen werden ja in Japan mit Kanji geschrieben und jedes Kanji kann dabei unterschiedlich ausgelegt werden. Betrifft das auch die Vornamen? Die Namen in Hiragana zu schreiben wäre falsch, nicht wahr?
 
   
Daher frage ich dich, da du anscheinend auf diesem wiki mit am meisten japanisch verstehst (Hut ab dafür). Weißt du irgendeine Seite im internet, mit der man die Namen ermitteln könnte? Oder eine andere Methode? Wenn nicht, isses nicht schlimm, aber es würde auf jedenfall ungemein helfen! ;)
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== Apology & Question ==
   
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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So, first, I would like you to know that, though I disagreed venomously with your analysis of the Jiton (and still do), I do not harbor any ill will towards you. I'm glad you decided to stick around because, truth be told, you were right about one thing: you are a pretty unbias reader of the series. Doesn't mean I agree with some of your explanations, but I'd be wrong not to say as much. I never wanted to drive you from the wiki because, as many others have expressed, you are very much needed here and it would truly be a loss for the wiki without you around. If you still dislike me, well, I can't help that, but I do want to extend to you an sincere apology for letting my frustration with everything get the best of me. I miss the days when we, as a site, could sit down and discuss conflicting ideas without feeling the burning desire to tear each other's throats out and I know you feel the same.
   
[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 11:10, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
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That being said, I have an honest question for you in regards to the Gudōdama. We're both aware of how contentious that debate is, and the fact of the matter is, we're banging our heads into a wall over some fairly simple questions. It is my belief that Kishimoto finally gave us the natures for the Gudōdama (regardless of the user; the technique itself) with Black Zetsu's remark. I realize that some disagree with me on this point, and you might too, which is the point of my question:
:Nun, wie die Kanji aussehen, weiß ich und auch, wie sie auf Romanji (heißt das so?) geschrieben werden. Ich wusste nur nicht, wie und worüber man Kanji erstellen kann. Die Seite, die du mir gegeben hast, sollte mir aber weiterhelfen können. Vielen Dank! ;)[[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 15:06, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Sage Mode Thoughts? ==
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''After examining the RAW of Black Zetsu's text, and knowing what previous characters have said in regards to the Truth-Seeking Balls, do you think that ''solid'' manga evidence suggests that each user's Gudōdama is of a different and unique composition? Or do you think that the technique, like any other technique, is composed of the exact same elements?''
   
What's your opinion on the whole Sage Mode issue on its talk page? Do you think there are distinct types of it or something else (like me)? There's no general agreement, so we can't restructure the article until there is one. You know of anything in the manga to (somewhat) clear this up? [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 01:05, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
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That question seems to be the only one keeping us from finally putting this whole TSB debate behind us once and for all. Let me be clear, I don't care either way. I have my beliefs, but if the manga says something, we obviously need to document it. If its still too ambiguous, we wait, but recently it was decided that every user had the same natures except Naruto, whom the consensus said should have every nature but Yin-Yang, due to a few user's absolute refusal to believe he can use them. I just want the issue behind us. So, regarding that question, what is your thoughts? (And for any third party reading this, please don't butt in. Its rude to barge into other's conversations.) ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:06, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks for the response, that's basically what I was thinking. Oh, and sorry about that section spam. My phone must've gone derp when I submitted it. :o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 20:22, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
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: I suppose the only logical thing to do then is to wait, and, as you said, record what we know. Madara did say something about being surprised that Naruto wasn't erased when he blocked his Gudōdama, and thought that it might have something to do with him being heavily wounded (having not noticed his senjutsu enhancement yet), so I assume that means his can too. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 23:40, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Name Mean/Translate? ==
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:: I believe the evidence is there for Jiton. Using context clues and making an assumption are two different things. With the TSB, I understand the convolution, but there really is nothing like that for Gaara, Shukaku, and the other Jiton users. If you go back and read all of related chapters (even some of Gaara's words in his fight with Kimimaro) its quite apparent that's what Kishi intended. TheUltimate3 and the others have a valid point when they say Kishimoto won't tell us everything. Like any author, he's going to assume that we have the necessary material to put two and two together to get four. In areas where its murky (I believe that 3 out of 4 users of TSB having consistently all the same thing isn't murky, but I can see why you and others do), we can just do our best and record only what has been flat out told to us, but in areas where its pretty much obvious, we need to be readers, no Kishi's editors, and do the math. That's just my opinion though. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, comrade Seelentau. This is my first time talk to u, nice to meet u ^_^.
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::: Its pretty simple: does the manga support it, or is the evidence too flimsy to hold up? If someone can show me page, after page, after page, after chapter, after interview, after quote, etc, ect, that something is a certain way in the manga and it all holds up: add it. There's nothing wrong with that. Jiton is one example of that. When Gaara's father displayed the ''exact same rings'' as his son in his eyes, Kishi was basically handing us that information on a platter, regardless of whether we think so or not. If weren't a contributor to this wiki, and was just reading this manga to myself, that would've been an "''Aha!''" moment for me, because I'm the type of reader who will connect information. That's part of reading a story like this and its enjoyable when the author wants you to notice something rather than slap you in the face with information all the time. Sometimes, they want you to find it yourself, and I have fun looking for it. But if someone tells me that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells, for example (this was an actual argument), just because Kabuto said he used his studies of Hashirama's cells to heal him, and that's the ''only evidence they give me'', I'm going to wave them off and call crap on it.
I just read in ur profile that u know some Japanese things. Can u (if u want or not busy) transate some names for me? THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 15:37, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Yeah. Ok thankyou. Here:
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::: That's why I, personally, wasn't involving Science in the Jiton debate (yes, I know others were). Kishi says he sucks at Science. We don't know how much he sucks (he obviously thought that Sakura's method of keeping Naruto alive was legit, for example; it wasn't. Punched through a rib and a lung scientifically), so its an assumption to say he'd even know what diamagnetism is. To him, it literally could've been as simple as "Hey, I want [insert Jiton user here] to magnetize this!" and that's it. But the manga itself held up, in my view, consistently. So to answer your question in one concerted effort: Where do we draw the line? If the manga supports it, and we can give enough references to back it up, add it. If it doesn't hold up or the references are too flimsy to use? Wait. That's how I see it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:00, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
# Jinpachi Mishima = 三島 仁八
 
# Heihachi Mishima = 三島 平八
 
# Kazuya Mishima = 三島 一八
 
# Jin Kazama = 風間 仁
 
# Jun Kazama = 風間 準
 
# Asuka Kazama = 風間 飛鳥
 
# Yoshimitsu = 吉光
 
# Kunimitsu = 州光
 
# Ganryu = 巌竜
 
# Kazumi or Kazume Mishima. (Not sure if this name is actually exist). Or, Miharu Hirano = 平野 美晴.
 
So so so sorry if it's long. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 17:40, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Hi, oh yeah so sorry I forgot, now i added. Can u also only translate this page? [http://www.tekken-official.jp/tag2/chara/unknown.html]. Sorry for disturbing and thank u. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 18:18, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
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:::: That's where consensus comes in. Its one thing if one or two people are seeing the same thing. If three, four, five people are all seeing the same thing based on the same evidence, you've got one of two things going on: mass hysteria, which is unlikely, or something legitimate is being presented. I mean, the consensus, prior to your analysis on Jiton, was literally unanimous. Even in the recent debates, I only saw Elveonora and Munch (can never say his full username) that still saw things similarly to you (Elve had his own ideas, but that's getting more and more common lately). And what's more, we were all seeing the same evidence. The same consistency. The same patterns and the same context clues. In those cases, consensus is our best option. If there isn't one, then obviously the evidence is too flimsy. You'll see me doing the same thing. Where I'm on the fence with something, or want to believe something, but the current evidence just doesn't hold up, so I'll ask to wait on it. I have no problem waiting when the information isn't there. Its when we literally have the answer ''right in front of us'' and we're screaming at each other over the stupidest technicalities that I start having issues. As for "grasping for straws", I shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon, and I apologize. I let my frustration get the better of me. But there are cases of that. The debate on whether or not Naruto could use certain elements through his connection to the Bijū, for example. We had ''one user'' who just refused to let it go through and was even reverting the edits once the decision was made out of nothing more than his own stubbornness to give in. ''That'' is grasping for straws and when that happens, we obviously need to deal with the user in question, because that's a person problem, not a wiki issue. So, yes, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, comrade. Sorry to disturb, I just want to know if u finished the translate. If u busy then took ur time, only when u r free if u wan. I just come to remind, sorry again for disturbing and thankyou ^_^. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 16:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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::::: If the manga supports it? Absolutely. Kishi may retcon or correct facts later, but you can't tell a group of users who have reference after reference from the manga supporting their argument that they are wrong. Their basis is the manga. No different from anything else we add on this wiki. I mean, if we can't use the manga to prove our points, and get stuff done around here, we might as well lock the entire wiki until the series ends and the last databook comes out. We have to do something, Seel. Its not like we're saying, okay, add whatever you want to the wiki! We're saying, "If you have credible, consistent (direct confirmation works too, obviously) and the consensus sees it, then we add it. If you don't, we wait." That's not a bad system. It literally requires manga evidence, which is what you want in the first place, correct? Like I said, Kishimoto isn't going to tell us everything on a neon billboard. No author anywhere does that, so we shouldn't expect him too either. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 02:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi, long time no talking comrade. Comrade, why don't u reply? I'm not angry of course, I just wanna know if u finished it, if I disturb u now then I'm sorry. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 21:02, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
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== Sorry to butt in... ==
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But I had to tell you this. I overlooked your messaging with TTF, and you asked if Madara ever negated something with his TSBs. He did actually, in chapter 665, page 12 when he cut off Minato's left arm with his TSB. Minato's left arm never grew back, just like Obito did with Minato's right arm. So yeah, Madara's TSB also has Yin-Yang Release. Again, didn't mean to butt in and be rude, that's why I created a separate headline on your page, but I was just trying to help. :) Glad you haven't left the wiki, that would have been a blow to Narutopedia. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Of course they do, Madara is a known YYR user since he had told Obito he would teach him just that--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi again comrade, ok understood, no need to apologize really, u were busy, and thank you very much for the translations ^_^. Could translate the page (link above)? No need for the name only the description, of course of u r free, sorry for disturbing and thank you ^_^. THANKYOU [[User:Small brother|Small brother]] ([[User talk:Small brother|talk]]) 06:24, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== SPS&Rinnegan ==
   
== Question ==
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Not entirely:
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* both Naruto and Sasuke received power from Hagoromo which allowed them to awake SPST and Rinnegan respectively (I originally thought it was because of Hashirama stuff alone), so having 9TBs chakras by itself wouldn't give him SPST without Hagoromo's touch--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 22:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, can you translate the title of the upcoming opening song of Naruto Shippūden (ニワカ雨ニモ負ケズ) .. Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:40, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
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I mean latest chapter made it clear that Hagoromo has to do with their SPST and Rinnegan (so the tattoos weren't the only things he gave them) but Hagoromo didn't give Naruto TB chakra, they themselves did and Obito did the remaining 2. So whatever Hagoromo gave Naruto is the "missing piece" to the puzzle.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
:Isn't ''Niwaka Ame ni mo Makezu''? Because we need to edit the music article to create this song article. Anyway, here is the [http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/news/news07/index.html#143633 source for the song title]. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:51, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
::That's good, thanks so much ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:50, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Possible rename ==
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Talk about coincidental timing 0_0 we messaged each other at the same time :P
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And yes, latest chapter makes it seem Hagoromo has to do with their powers, but you may figure out otherwise once you get your hands on the raw or so. And even though Madara didn't meet Hagoromo, he was TT jinch. TT is 9TB + x, the 'x' being what allows Six Paths Sage Technique--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:21, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
Could you check the audio at [[Talk:Splitting Technique#Rename to Fission Technique.]]? As far as dialogue goes, we might have a name for the technique, similar to Mirage Genjutsu. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:15, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Hagoromo said that giving power only to one of them resulted in Ashura and Indra rivalry, giving power to both Naruto and Sasuke didn't fix it tho. So if the only power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were the tattoos, then either Ashura or Indra must have had one or both tattoos as well. Unless he was talking about different thing than the tattoos--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:27, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Madara's brothers ==
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Yes, Indra was already born with strong chakra and Ashura's eventually matured/bloomed as time went on. But birth inheritance isn't gift, unless Hagoromo created Ashura weak and Indra strong with Creation of All Things. So I suppose what the original gift refers to is Ashura's "battle avatar" Hagoromo likely gave Ashura Six Paths Senjutsu. Indra wasn't given anything, thus had only Sharingan. This time around, Hagoromo not only has given Ashura's incarnate Six Paths Senjutsu, but Rinnegan to Indra's incarnate as well. This way it makes sense--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
What exactly does he say? I still can't get over the fact both scanlations got the number of brothers wrong. Is there any way what Madara said can be interpreted as "we're five brothers" instead of "I have five brothers"? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:49, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
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But Ashura eventually became equal to Indra. Hagoromo says giving power to one caused rivalry, so that doesn't seem like it refers to one of them having been born stronger. Hagoromo had no input about how their genes would turn out. Also I believe in an older chapter this is referenced and Hagoromo says he gave power to Ashura, so giving power to Ashura made him stronger than Indra thus caused trouble and as such can't refer to their birth inheritance, since Ashura was the weaker one originally. But you are the translator, so you may know better--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:52, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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So Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke successorship to Ninshu? That's it, Hagoromo made a clear parallel between giving power to Naruto and Sasuke and having given power just to Ashura--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Yes, I think in the latest chapter. But you may want to take this to relevant talkpage for everyone to chime in.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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== Six Paths for Kaguya ==
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I thought it was agreed that Kaguya has no involvement to the Six Paths or any related techniques.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 10:05, September 11, 2014
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I believe it was during the discussion of the Truth-Seeking Balls.—[[User:Steveo920|Steveo920]] [[User talk:Steveo920|(Talk)]] 10:11 September 11, 2014
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Rikudou Rod etc. were also used I believe, but by Naruto and he likes to give weird nicknames.
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In my honest opinion "six paths" simply means Hagoromo, thus six path's means Hagoromo's.
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* Hagoromo's Senjutsu (his Senjutsu)
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* Hagoromo's Chakra (his chakra)
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* Hagoromo's Power (his power, unspecified)
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* Hagoromo's Yin Power/Yang Power (his power, specified)
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* Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei (specialized version of the technique)
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* Hagoromo's Technique (his personal technique with the Rinnegan)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:31, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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Yes. But within the context of what we know, all six paths stuff = hagoromo stuff. There's no way to figure why he is six paths and what it is tho. We may need a databook for that. And I think your list should be complete, I don't recall any other six paths good job--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:06, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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You did, but honestly, half the terms most likely refer to the same thing. Also in case you would, then be so nice and give some input to these:
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Nature_Transformation#Something
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#So_just_as_I_was_saying
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* http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Naruto_Uzumaki#kekkei_mora
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Thanks in advance. The first, Six Paths Yin/Yang Powers were never called Yin and Yang nature releases, were they? The second, I believe you also know that Naruto is just a pseudo jinchuuriki of 1-8 TBs and not a full one. The third, is Naruto even an user of kekkei mora? He asks the Tailed Beasts for the natures, so he doesn't know how to use them himself. Therefore I think it's nonsensical that he has the ability to merge all natures that he can't even use, not to mention it has a genetic vibe to it, therefore in my opinion only Kaguya and Hagoromo should be considered users, not her jinchuuriki--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:17, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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That's understandable, but man, If I had to count how many times I wanted to almost leave the wiki ... :P But what would this place be without me, right? :D Anyway:
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* I guess you are right. Although that's the reason why I'm wondering, are there things such as Six Paths Yin/Yang Release? :O
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And funny you mention that. The term pseudo worked just fine, until certain people changed it as they deemed fit with "logic" that "when chakra talks, they are full jinchuuriki" or so, like wtf. But I don't think you should be quiet about this, once the raw comes out and it implies that the Tailed Beasts aren't truly within Naruto, then you should let people know.
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And I know. Fact is, our beliefs are to be put in line soon, very soon... as soon as Naruto's TSB clashes with Sasuke or his technique ;) I admit that there's a chance we are wrong, but in my opinion more things imply his aren't all natures. So if we turn out to be wrong, then I will personally apologize to everyone I disagreed with and leave with a tail in between my legs--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:51, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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== Your opinions on stuff ==
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I just wanted to say that I completely agree and support all the stuff you say. i agree with your opinion's on magnet release too. Just wanted to let you know that your not the only user that doesnt agree with all the bull shit that gets added. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 00:10, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Butting in :P the thing is, it shouldn't be about an agreement to begin with. If millions of people decide to agree about something that's just plain wrong, it won't become right anywhere but in their own heads. And even if they are right, they still are making an assumption (even if true) thus are jumping the gun, before it's actually known to be true.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)
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== Help ==
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How do i make articles that don't have a template like for example an article on a book not the volume? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:13, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
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no offense taken and i was gonna create articles for the three anime profiles books. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)
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== Six Paths ==
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In the chapter that Naruto seals Madara's shadows in, he refers to the black rods as the "Sage's Rods". I don't know if that means anything or what the RAW's actually say, but I thought I'd bring that to your attention. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 01:58, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Names ==
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I know how and where to look. Currently from [http://senki.kusakage.com/tuika.htm here] and [http://giocox.jp/naruto-r/ here]. I expect both to get more names as the days go by. The links on the first I can only read right when I get Google's cached version, I just look for a video game technique I know they have. Second link will have more movesets as the days go by as well. I got most of the Storm 2, Generations and Storm 3 from their Storm 3 site over at the enormous list I have at [[Forum:Video game jutsu overhaul/sub]]. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:38, September 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== not very serious, just bored ==
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Yet, I've been thinking... most Root remembers were orphans, right? Iruka is an orphan.
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The guy in the [http://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/5287/5287266a17eba8f2e49e4bf5ad5f7f8a279e478.jpg background] looks just like Iruka and I presume that that's [[Hyo]] under the mask. So both orphans, same scar, same hairstyle and hair color, same eye color... same person? :O Too bad it doesn't work since Hyo is 21 years old, rait? T_T--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:26, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
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== Outer Path Fact-Checking ==
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Hey, I was wondering if you could translate a few things related to the Outer Path abilities when you get a chance.
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* Chapter 565, pages 6 and 10 - Do these seem to attribute the connected vision to Gedō or just controlling corpses with chakra? (The article currently states both are derived from Gedō).
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* Chapter 569, page 2 - Does Obito actually say he'll drag Four-Tails and Naruto inside of himself? This isn't documented anywhere on the wiki, as far as I can tell.
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* Same chapter, page 10 - What does Obito say about his and Nagato's binding power? Is this sufficient evidence that both the chakra receivers and chains are Gedō powers? We currently list the latter as one but not the former, using this page as evidence. (And yes, I'm fully aware that Madara created receivers without the Rinnegan in one instance).
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Thanks.--[[User:BeyondRed|BeyondRed]] ([[User talk:BeyondRed|talk]]) 23:49, September 16, 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry for butting in, but I'm also interested in the Outer Path's connection to the "Gedo Mazo". I remember that you already explained this somewhere, but I can't find the topic.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:49, September 17, 2014 (UTC)
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== Translation requests ==
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Can you translate these two pages for me??
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2014/05/%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%81%EF%BC%88%E6%9C%A8%E3%83%8E%E8%91%89%E6%99%82%E4%BB%A3%EF%BC%89%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B3%E3%83%94%E3%83%BC.jpg
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http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2014/06/%E3%82%B5%E3%82%B9%E3%82%B1%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%A1%E8%A6%AA.jpg [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:56, September 19, 2014 (UTC)
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I just wanted to know everything that was said on those pages is all. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 21:32, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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== Sasuke and Kakashi Character Scans Translations? ==
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Hello Seelentau-Senpai! How are you today? When you find the time, can you please translate the new scan of Sasuke and Kakashi's character design for the new movie? I've heard some rumors that it says Sasuke has turned good and Kakashi is Hokage, and also that starting in October, we will get new teasers of the movie with every new Naruto Shippuden episode. Can you please confirm or deny these rumors, as well as let me (us) know any other information the scan provides? Thanks a bunch- have a nice day! --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 23:43, September 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Does it say that Sasuke is now on the "good side"? What do the little messages next to both Sasuke and Kakashi say? And do you have any extensive info about what these teasers are? Thanks! --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 19:01, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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== Obito and Hagoromo's chakra ==
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Kakashi while being possessed by Obito phantom said Six Paths chakra stuff. So unless Six Paths chakra doesn't equal Hagoromo's chakra, then Obito and by extension Kakashi had Hagoromo's chakra.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:15, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:He does? In that case take back what I said then... but what is Six Paths Power again? :D Sasuke had Six Paths Yin Power, Naruto had Six Paths Yang Power, but what kind of power did Obito have and more importantly from where? :O--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:19, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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== Question ==
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Based on [[Talk:Six_Paths_Sage_Technique#Method_of_obtaining|here]], do you believe that the TSB is a tailed beast skill (which requires TB chakra)? Simple yes or no and an explanation will do, thanks. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 13:22, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't believe the TSB is a tailed beast skill either, because of chapter 690, when Kaguya remember Hagoromo and Hamura sealing her, Hagoromo was clearly using a TSB without having Tailed Beast chakra (due to facing the original Tailed Beast). I'll elaborate further on what I think a TSB is now made of after you give me your opinion on what happened in 690. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 13:36, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::I think he was using one TSB, instead of multiple. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 13:37, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Only chapters ==
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Just pointing out that young Hagoromo with a TSB was shown in chapter 680, was that a pre-jinchuuriki?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:46, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
That's how it's done since before I came around. I presume it's because if you go to the chapter, there's a number and link to the volume. Volumes also list new characters. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:30, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
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:::Hamura and his staff is a different subject altogether. What I'm getting at is that, like you, I don't think the TSB is a tailed beast skill, but because of Hagoromo. I say the TSB is made of the five natures, Yin-Yang, senjutsu, and the Six Paths Power/chakra. Not tailed beast chakra. For Naruto, I believe the tailed beasts gave him the elements necessary to use the TSB. I also believe that the TT gave Madara the elements necessary to use the TSB as well (with him pulling that lightning technique out of nowhere). But because Hagoromo mastered the five elements, Yin-Yang, and used the TSB without tailed beast chakra when facing the TT shown in 670 and 690, that is where I agree with you on the TSB not being a tailed beast skill. Correct me if I'm wrong on what I think, please. Thank you for your time. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 13:48, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Kamui's dimension ==
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My bad for creating debate on your talkpage @Tau, I just wanted to ask a simple question and point out that I agree with your assertion that the TSB isn't a TB skill. Sorry if I needlessly invaded your talkpage. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 14:06, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:But it is a Tailed Beast Skill for Obito and Madara, because Six Paths chakra comes from Kaguya/the Ten-Tails. Hagoromo is an unique case, since he is her son.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:14, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
In chapter 597, page 6 if I'm not mistaken. Kakashi says something like "Ore no Kamui no Jikūkan (something else)". The way he says it, can "Kamui no Jikūkan" be considered a name for the dimension Kamui sends stuff to? There's a discussion in the page's talk about a rename. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:25, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
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==TSB==
:Bump. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 03:05, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
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Howdy, on the [[Truth-Seeking Ball]] talkpage, a user brought up the question if the name should be plural or not, but nothing came of it. Ten told him to ask you, but since I saw no one asking, I took it upon myself to ask. Could it be plural? [[User:Benknightprime|&#34;Let go your earthly tether.&#34;]] ([[User talk:Benknightprime|talk]]) 21:26, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Sound Four Technique ==
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== would you please ==
   
What is the exact translation? We currently have it as "Sound Four: Summoning Technique: Four Corner Beast Formation". Kanji and romaji seem to be correct going by Japanese Wikipedia (though they dropped the group's name from the technique's name). 音隠れ四人衆・口寄せ・四獣包囲の陣, Otogakure Yoninshū: Kuchiyose: Shijū Hōi no Jin. First two parts are easy, "Sound Four: Summoning: Four Beasts ??? Formation", but the other part has more translation options. Also, should the Four Beasts part be translated as that? [http://tangorin.com/general/四獣 It has two possible meanings], and both apply: Four different summons ("beasts"), and the Sound Four's standing in each direction being a reference to 四神. Maybe even 四神獣? And I have no idea what would be the [http://tangorin.com/general/包囲 best translation] for 包囲. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:33, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Upload an official and full version of [https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ3s8J2lrb4PoWUjQVf52uudxAwa_RXOfE16teAQ7OvUXrevKsQEA this image]? It comes from one of the chapters' covers of the fight between him and Uchiha brothers.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:08, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
:Bump. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:40, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Could you please take a look Mr. Tau? :D ==
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Yes, thanks. Do you think it could be used as an image for Jugo Clan's KKG? It shows both the transformation and absorption of natural energy in one.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:17, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
[http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:The_Snake_and%E2%80%A6 here please]--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:57, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Yes, but there's not a single scene with Jugo which shows natural energy entering his body I believe--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:25, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Episode 306 translations ==
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U sure? 0_o http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Naruto_the_Sage.png looks the same to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:29, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau and how are you? I have two question for this episode, the first is what's the kanji of Eyebright that said here? I couldn't find the suitable kanji for that at all. The second is about [[Might Guy]]'s taijutsu technique that used in this episode, what's it? Thanks —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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== Two questions ==
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Not trying to argue with or revert your decisions, but:
   
== Naruto movie 6 ==
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1. Is it plausible to say ''all'' TSB use the Six Paths Sage Chakra from the SPST? Kaguya was able to use it without the SPST.
can you edit the article since you know Japanese --[[User:Roger (UserJmootams brother)|Roger (UserJmootams brother)]] ([[User talk:Roger (UserJmootams brother)|talk]]) 19:42, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Earth Golem ==
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2. Why remove the notice? You never know if an editor who thinks he or she is correcting incorrect info could add wood release there again.
   
Hi Seelentau, I found in the Studio Pierrot blog webpage that the [[Earth Golem]]s' name is revealed to be (土牢剛霊無, ''Dorō Gōremu''). What's the exact meaning of its name? [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:49, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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I know it always seems like there's a debate about the TSB or Six Paths, but I just have questions. That is all. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 22:21, September 22, 2014 (UTC)
:There's a topic about it in the episode's talk page as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:22, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
::While I did not find that talk page, I found the translation for the Kanji: ''Earth Prison Strength Soul Nothingness''. It's a Gairaigo. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:45, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::And about the talk page, check [[Talk:The Vengeful#New information|here]]. Thanks so much ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:53, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== chapter 626 ==
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== Thanks... ==
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For removing the TB skill from TSB. But may I ask what was your reasoning? I thought it was because of Hagoromo. You say it's about the Six Paths power. Can you please further elaborate on why it isn't related to a TB? Thanks! --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:14, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Could you please translate the sound effects? People say Madara put Hashi under a genjutsu, do the last panels support that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:15, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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So Kaguya copied later users you say...?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:18, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, but it doesn't change that the first confirmed time of use comes from Hagoromo, not Kaguya. And even if she used it earlier, it doesn't prove that it's a TBs. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:20, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::Okay, so let me ask you this: where do you think Six Paths Chakra comes from?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:21, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::No idea. If it really comes from the TT, aren't technically all jutsu and everything that uses chakra TB skills? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:24, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Windstar made the same point and I guess so? 0_o The thing is, Six Paths Chakra isn't something that people and otherwise in Narutoverse commonly have, or so it would seem. Becoming a TT jinch grants this chakra, that's why it's a TBS to me--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:26, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::I did make that point. @Tau, if you can get by the duo of @Elveo and @Foxie, that'll be impressive. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 11:31, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thank you, please, once it becomes available, we would like that translated I guess ^_ sound effect signs should not be dismissed :P if not raw then viz would do, but that will take a while.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:34, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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What defines a Tailed Beast Skill anyway? Was such term ever officially used in the first place?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:33, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, it wasn't. And we don't have prove that becoming the TT's Jinchuriki grants Six Paths Chakra. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:40, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::'''Clarifiacation:''' Tailed Beast Skill was made to separate "Ninjutsu" from "Tailed Beast Ball" which at the time of it's creation wasn't considered an actual jutsu but more of a thing tailed beasts could just do. It is in no way official and there are enough holes in the concept that it could very easily be done away with in full.
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::Carry on with whatever.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:46, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::@Ulti, thanks for clarification. So it's basically fanon I guess? 0_0 Maybe we should change some things if that's the case. @Seel, if becoming TT jinch doesn't grant SPC, then where did Obito and Madara get it? ;)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:47, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::No idea. I can just say what the manga says. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:53, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Well you do have an idea, they got it from the Ten-Tails obviously :)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:57, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Can you provide proof for that, other than "They only got it after becoming TT's Jinchuriki"? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:00, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Raws are available now. We also need a proper translation on Hashirama's new technique. As far as Tangorin can help me, it's "Summit/Top/Peak Transformed Buddha". [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:02, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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But ain't that 'nough proof?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:01, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:Considering that Naruto, who never was Jinchuriki of the TT, has the orbs, too? No. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:03, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::But was given chakra from Hagoromo, who not only is Kaguya's son but also was the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki. If you go backwards, the origin of all chakra is Kaguya--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 12:11, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:::He was given chakra from Hagoromo, not from the TT. You're making the Hagoromo-Kaguya-TT connection seem way too easy, man. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:18, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
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::::^^^^Again, thanks. You somehow got by @Elveo, but you'll have to find a way to get by @Foxie as well, for this is one of the rare topics @Elveo and him agree on. @Foxie may come at add the TB skill thing there all over again. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 19:26, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks, I meant when Hashi looks up and there appears to be a sound effect, is that rain dropping or something like that?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:00, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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And here I thought Hagoromo's chakra came from his mother, but whatever...--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:45, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
Awesome, thank you mister :D--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:13, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
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== This is late and may be fruitless but.. ==
   
== Episode 308 translations ==
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http://i.imgur.com/qE8cj3e.png This is the supposed official spoiler for 693. Can you translate it please?? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 23:17, September 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau. If you have spare time, could you give the kanji names and literal meaning for these following techniques from the recent episode:
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Darn.. damn internet trolls. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 01:28, September 25, 2014 (UTC)
#[[Hayate]]'s [[Secret Sword: Earth Shadow]].
 
#[[Iō (medical-nin)|Iō]]'s [[Earth Release: Flying Stones]].
 
#[[Yūgao]]'s [[Moonlit Night]].
 
Thanks so much. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:54, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Ah okay, take your time. :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== any opinion? ==
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== My theory on how nature releases work ==
   
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Madara_Uchiha#creation_of_all_things if any of course, if so, would like to know what you think--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:49, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Once you said that you are interested in mechanism behind chakra, so you may be interested in what I think.
   
More input needed, not just from you, but anyone, I find this unconcluded and confusing http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Chakra#life_force_topic I believe you have some original japanese sources at your disposal, is this anywhere specified?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 13:08, April 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Clearly we both understand what each of the chakra natures is (heated chakra, thin sharp chakra, vibrating chakra, density manipulation chakra, state manipulation chakra) so the question may be: how come then the resulting techniques appear as actual fire, wind, lightning, earth and water? Note: you may disagree, because the explanation has less to do with magic but more with chemistry, but I see it like this:
   
== Episode 309 translations ==
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* To exhale fire, they do so by kneading Katon Chakra into gases inside of their bodies, exhaling said gases as fire.
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* To make wind, there are multiple ways to do so. For example Temari, she kneads Fuuton Chakra into her fan and with the motion of it, she creates air movement and pressure that is like blades, thus wind. Danzo for another example did it by kneading Fuuton Chakra directly into his breath and then exhaling it.
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* To make lightning, they knead Raiton Chakra into actual electricity in their bodies, notably from brain and nervous system.
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* To spit earth, they knead Doton Chakra into their bodily fluids and other chemicals, spitting it up as a substance. You probably wouldn't want to touch or smell that.
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* To spit water, they knead Suiton Chakra into actual water inside of their bodies. No wonder Suigetsu has to drink so much.
   
Hi Seelentau, I ask you about the country which appeared in this episode. According to the ending episode, it's called {{translation|此の国|Ko no Kuni}}. But I couldn't find a suitable translation. The subtitles referred for it to "This nation". —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:17, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Most people probably think, that for example Wood Release is actual earth mixed with water, but that would be mud. It is just the chakras mixed together, not substances.
:Okay, but we have to name this country to create its article. Should it better to called it (Land of This)??!! —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:35, April 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== ancient Kirin topic ==
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Do you agree with at least some of these? I hope so ._.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:01, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Just bored, so wanted to explain it to you. In order to "catch" the natural lightning, Sasuke has to use lightning natured chakra, it wouldn't work with ordinary chakra because there's no way it could reach that high, he just links the natural lightning in the sky with a super-weak chidori in hand like a magnet of sorts, shapes it using shape transformation alone and then brings it down using the link. So all in all, chidori/lightning release is needed to tame it, tho the monster itself isn't created with lightning chakra, that's why it isn't called Lightning Release: Kirin and yet it is one 0_o more examples of the same things are: [[Fire Release: Mist Blaze Dance Technique]] and [[Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning]] mist blaze uses natural fire to ignite fire release chakra natured gas and with Asuma's technique, the gun-powder is also coated in fire release chakra and then ignited by natural means. Again, I was just bored so it's for nothing, sorry for spamming ur talkpage :)--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 11:23, April 19, 2013 (UTC)
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So you prefer a much simpler explanation then I guess :P Would heated chakra be a fire? I don't think so, it makes more sense to me that it's the heated chakra igniting bodily gases thus producing fire. And for example Naruto's Rasenshuriken doesn't produce wind like Temari or Danzo's techniques do, that's because he infuses rotating chakra with thin and sharp chakra rather than the air. Also Tobirama can create water out of nowhere as well, rather than just from his body. There are water particles in the air, infusing them with chakra could explain that--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 15:13, September 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
== UNS3 ultimates ==
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I got the idea from Shizune kneading chakra into chemicals inside of her body and exhaling them as poisonous gas, so such a thing indeed is done in Narutoverse.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 09:22, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
So, kanji for some of the ultimates from the game started to appear. I would have waited around a bit longer to add and ask for translations, but some other users already started adding them, so I checked to see if they matched the ones where I could find them. The ones with kanji for now are:
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== Naruto Tankobon omitted cover text ==
* [[Cat Fire Bowl]]. The very literal translation made this an easy one, but I'd like to put some trivia around the actual cat brazier in it, but I have no idea if it has a mythological or cultural significance to point out.
 
* [[Five-Mountain Jump]]. There was a wrong kanji in it, but I corrected it, and the translation is the same as far as I know, so no need to change anything I think.
 
* [[Freight Bubbles]]. I added the kanji for that one, because someone else had added the wrong ones, but I don't know if the game name is an accurate translation of the Japanese.
 
* [[Lightning Straight]]. I did my best to add the literal translation of the several kanji in it.
 
* [[Rough Sea Splash]]. I moved it from "Rough Sea Spume" when someone added the kanji.
 
* [[Scale Powder Blasting]]. We've had the kanji for that from day one basically, since they were readable in one of the earliest videos of the game.
 
* [[Scorching River Great Eruption]]. Another one I moved from the game name when someone added the wrong kanji. I put the kanji I found in more than one source.
 
* [[Sickle Mist Technique]]. The "Ninja Art" part was dropped, like in many articles. The only thing I'm not sure if it's "-kiri" or "-giri".
 
* [[Storm Release: Black Hunting]]. I added the kanji, put what I believe to be the proper pronunciation of the kanji in the trivia, and added literal English, which could use a more proper look.
 
* [[Sword of Kagutsuchi]]. Kanji were added when videos with good enough audio became available, they're correct.
 
* [[Tengai Shinsei]]. Actual kanji are finally available, and I think this will end up being left untranslated, kinda in keeping with some other Rinnegan techniques, particularly Deva Path ones, which this also seems to be.
 
* Mifune's ultimate is the only new ultimate we still don't have an article for, because we didn't even have the game name for it. The game name for it is "Resident Decapitation", and the only source I have on the Japanese says his ultimate is called {{translation|居斬|いきる|Ikiru}}. I'm certain that in this technique or in at least one of the above there's a pun or word-play I did not find or recognise.
 
   
I'm still going through sites and lists, and I was able to gather a significant portion of the techniques used in the Ultimate Ninja series, though the thread I made about it in the forums is not up to date with what I have, I'm trying to translate as much as I can before asking for help. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:58, April 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Is it possible to still purchase old magazine prints of the chapters that have the text?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 11:21, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hi Seelentau, wondering why you removed my edit on Kotoamatsukami regarding the decade limitation between uses?... Do you not agree with what I wrote? Thanks. --[[User:UchihaFan|UchihaFan]] ([[User talk:UchihaFan|talk]]) 17:44, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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The chapter cover with Yamato on it which says that Hashirama died 50 years prior to Part II. can you confirm?--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 12:06, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
I agree with you that what I wrote can't be proven literally from manga facts.
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My memory sucks to simply put it, so I may repeat myself often :P I should train my brain more often I guess. And I see, I would take that statement as him dying 50 years ago. That would fall in with Hashirama's flashback of Tsunade. I'd put his death as 34 bNB rather than 38.--[[User:Elveonora|'''Elve''']] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:Elveonora|Talk Page]]|[[Special:Contributions/Elveonora|Contribs]]</small></sup> 14:21, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
Consequently, the following statement from Shisui's page "This genjutsu however, could only be used once a decade, unless the user had a way to augment the process such as with Hashirama Senju's cells, thereby drastically reducing the time required from ten years to only a few hours." would also be circumstantial conjecture at best and not pure manga facts.
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== Six Paths Question ==
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Sorry to bother you again, but I need some clarification. Can you give me your best explanation of the difference between the Six Paths Chakra and the Six Paths Power (even though you might not know the full extent of the latter)? Also, did Sasuke use the Six Paths Chakra or Power when he used his Chidori to damage Madara? And finally, doesn't the Six Paths Chakra = Indra + Asura? Or is that something else? I honestly think the Six Paths Chakra/Power comes from light-purple Rinnegan. Thanks in advance. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 18:03, September 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:Bump. :/ --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 00:05, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
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::Bumpity-bump. Please answer, I want to know, and after this, I will no longer ask you any questions again. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 16:45, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
There are only two references to the use of Kotoamatsukami by Shisui :
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== six paths round 2 talk ==
   
1- Ao fought Shisui and has full knowledge of the ability of his Mangekyō Sharingan.
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seel, brutha can U please check the last part of that discussion & tell me Ur opinion...no one seems to give a fuck...thanx --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 07:55, September 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
2- Shisui tried using Kotoamatsukami to prevent the coup d'etat.
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== Help ==
   
At the time of his death, Shisui was about the same age as Itachi : around 17 years old... If you assume he did not awake his Mangekyō Sharingan before the age of 7 AND that he can only use Kotoamatsukami twice every decade (once for each eye) then you must conclude that the fight with Ao and the coup d'etat are the only two times Shisui used Kotoamatsukami!
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hey buddy...how U doin...need a favor...would U kindly translate "bloodline purification" & "bloodline annihilation" to Japanese 4 me...thanx :] --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 19:28, September 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
Furthermore, we know the use of Sharigan by non-Uchiha such as Kakashi is very taxing on chakra, thus it is more than reasonable to assume that the use of Mangekyō Sharingan by a crow would be even more so, to the point that it would take a decade for it to "recharge".
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== Chapter 694 Spoilers? ==
   
What are your thoughts on this?...By the way, if I'm bothering you with my questions, don't worry about it, just tell me to shut up! ;-) Thanks --[[User:UchihaFan|UchihaFan]] ([[User talk:UchihaFan|talk]]) 18:37, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
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If you have the time, can you please translate the spoiler for chapter 694 here (in the box on the bottom):[http://www.mangabee.com/Naruto/694/3/] Also, if you wouldn't mind, what does the little message about Sasuke's new series say? --[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 02:03, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

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Verlassen des Wikis Edit

Bitte lass es nicht dazu kommen! Ich verstehe, warum du sauer bist, aber in manchen Fällen muss man einfach über die Ignoranz und Sturheit der anderen hinwegsehen, bis eine glasklare Antwort vom Mangaka kommt (am besten in Form eines neuen Databooks, wann immer das auch sein mag). Aus genau diesem Grund nehme ich an den meisten Diskussionen nicht teil, weil ich Angst hab, mir das Wiki dadurch verderben zu lassen.

Auch wenn wir bis jetzt nicht so viel miteinander zu tun hatten bitte ich dich, die Sache mit dem Aufhören nochmal zu überdenken. Immerhin bist du meiner Meinung nach eine der wenigen Personen hier mit einem gesunden Menschenverstand, ganz zu schweigen von deinen Japanisch-Kenntnissen. Dein Verlassen wäre ein Verlust für das Wiki, ganz sicher! Norleon (talk) 23:03, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I'd like you to Edit

Request denied. You're upset that's understandable. You want to leave, that is understandable. But I'm not going to encourage this kind of response by banning you and keeping you from coming back if you calm down and decide you want to come back.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 15:53, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Your a great addition to this wiki and deep down i don't think anyone wants you to leave. The wiki needs you. Munchvtec (talk) 17:38, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Seelentau-san, what's going on?! I was held at school, so I couldn't come on the wiki until now, but from what I understand, you're leaving? Why?! The wiki needs, and I'll be really sad if you leave. :(--NinjaSheik 02:26, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Apology & Question Edit

So, first, I would like you to know that, though I disagreed venomously with your analysis of the Jiton (and still do), I do not harbor any ill will towards you. I'm glad you decided to stick around because, truth be told, you were right about one thing: you are a pretty unbias reader of the series. Doesn't mean I agree with some of your explanations, but I'd be wrong not to say as much. I never wanted to drive you from the wiki because, as many others have expressed, you are very much needed here and it would truly be a loss for the wiki without you around. If you still dislike me, well, I can't help that, but I do want to extend to you an sincere apology for letting my frustration with everything get the best of me. I miss the days when we, as a site, could sit down and discuss conflicting ideas without feeling the burning desire to tear each other's throats out and I know you feel the same.

That being said, I have an honest question for you in regards to the Gudōdama. We're both aware of how contentious that debate is, and the fact of the matter is, we're banging our heads into a wall over some fairly simple questions. It is my belief that Kishimoto finally gave us the natures for the Gudōdama (regardless of the user; the technique itself) with Black Zetsu's remark. I realize that some disagree with me on this point, and you might too, which is the point of my question:

After examining the RAW of Black Zetsu's text, and knowing what previous characters have said in regards to the Truth-Seeking Balls, do you think that solid manga evidence suggests that each user's Gudōdama is of a different and unique composition? Or do you think that the technique, like any other technique, is composed of the exact same elements?

That question seems to be the only one keeping us from finally putting this whole TSB debate behind us once and for all. Let me be clear, I don't care either way. I have my beliefs, but if the manga says something, we obviously need to document it. If its still too ambiguous, we wait, but recently it was decided that every user had the same natures except Naruto, whom the consensus said should have every nature but Yin-Yang, due to a few user's absolute refusal to believe he can use them. I just want the issue behind us. So, regarding that question, what is your thoughts? (And for any third party reading this, please don't butt in. Its rude to barge into other's conversations.) ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:06, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

I suppose the only logical thing to do then is to wait, and, as you said, record what we know. Madara did say something about being surprised that Naruto wasn't erased when he blocked his Gudōdama, and thought that it might have something to do with him being heavily wounded (having not noticed his senjutsu enhancement yet), so I assume that means his can too. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 23:40, September 9, 2014 (UTC)
I believe the evidence is there for Jiton. Using context clues and making an assumption are two different things. With the TSB, I understand the convolution, but there really is nothing like that for Gaara, Shukaku, and the other Jiton users. If you go back and read all of related chapters (even some of Gaara's words in his fight with Kimimaro) its quite apparent that's what Kishi intended. TheUltimate3 and the others have a valid point when they say Kishimoto won't tell us everything. Like any author, he's going to assume that we have the necessary material to put two and two together to get four. In areas where its murky (I believe that 3 out of 4 users of TSB having consistently all the same thing isn't murky, but I can see why you and others do), we can just do our best and record only what has been flat out told to us, but in areas where its pretty much obvious, we need to be readers, no Kishi's editors, and do the math. That's just my opinion though. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 00:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
Its pretty simple: does the manga support it, or is the evidence too flimsy to hold up? If someone can show me page, after page, after page, after chapter, after interview, after quote, etc, ect, that something is a certain way in the manga and it all holds up: add it. There's nothing wrong with that. Jiton is one example of that. When Gaara's father displayed the exact same rings as his son in his eyes, Kishi was basically handing us that information on a platter, regardless of whether we think so or not. If weren't a contributor to this wiki, and was just reading this manga to myself, that would've been an "Aha!" moment for me, because I'm the type of reader who will connect information. That's part of reading a story like this and its enjoyable when the author wants you to notice something rather than slap you in the face with information all the time. Sometimes, they want you to find it yourself, and I have fun looking for it. But if someone tells me that Sasuke has Hashirama's cells, for example (this was an actual argument), just because Kabuto said he used his studies of Hashirama's cells to heal him, and that's the only evidence they give me, I'm going to wave them off and call crap on it.
That's why I, personally, wasn't involving Science in the Jiton debate (yes, I know others were). Kishi says he sucks at Science. We don't know how much he sucks (he obviously thought that Sakura's method of keeping Naruto alive was legit, for example; it wasn't. Punched through a rib and a lung scientifically), so its an assumption to say he'd even know what diamagnetism is. To him, it literally could've been as simple as "Hey, I want [insert Jiton user here] to magnetize this!" and that's it. But the manga itself held up, in my view, consistently. So to answer your question in one concerted effort: Where do we draw the line? If the manga supports it, and we can give enough references to back it up, add it. If it doesn't hold up or the references are too flimsy to use? Wait. That's how I see it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:00, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
That's where consensus comes in. Its one thing if one or two people are seeing the same thing. If three, four, five people are all seeing the same thing based on the same evidence, you've got one of two things going on: mass hysteria, which is unlikely, or something legitimate is being presented. I mean, the consensus, prior to your analysis on Jiton, was literally unanimous. Even in the recent debates, I only saw Elveonora and Munch (can never say his full username) that still saw things similarly to you (Elve had his own ideas, but that's getting more and more common lately). And what's more, we were all seeing the same evidence. The same consistency. The same patterns and the same context clues. In those cases, consensus is our best option. If there isn't one, then obviously the evidence is too flimsy. You'll see me doing the same thing. Where I'm on the fence with something, or want to believe something, but the current evidence just doesn't hold up, so I'll ask to wait on it. I have no problem waiting when the information isn't there. Its when we literally have the answer right in front of us and we're screaming at each other over the stupidest technicalities that I start having issues. As for "grasping for straws", I shouldn't have jumped on that bandwagon, and I apologize. I let my frustration get the better of me. But there are cases of that. The debate on whether or not Naruto could use certain elements through his connection to the Bijū, for example. We had one user who just refused to let it go through and was even reverting the edits once the decision was made out of nothing more than his own stubbornness to give in. That is grasping for straws and when that happens, we obviously need to deal with the user in question, because that's a person problem, not a wiki issue. So, yes, it was wrong of me to accuse you of that. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:28, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
If the manga supports it? Absolutely. Kishi may retcon or correct facts later, but you can't tell a group of users who have reference after reference from the manga supporting their argument that they are wrong. Their basis is the manga. No different from anything else we add on this wiki. I mean, if we can't use the manga to prove our points, and get stuff done around here, we might as well lock the entire wiki until the series ends and the last databook comes out. We have to do something, Seel. Its not like we're saying, okay, add whatever you want to the wiki! We're saying, "If you have credible, consistent (direct confirmation works too, obviously) and the consensus sees it, then we add it. If you don't, we wait." That's not a bad system. It literally requires manga evidence, which is what you want in the first place, correct? Like I said, Kishimoto isn't going to tell us everything on a neon billboard. No author anywhere does that, so we shouldn't expect him too either. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 02:09, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in... Edit

But I had to tell you this. I overlooked your messaging with TTF, and you asked if Madara ever negated something with his TSBs. He did actually, in chapter 665, page 12 when he cut off Minato's left arm with his TSB. Minato's left arm never grew back, just like Obito did with Minato's right arm. So yeah, Madara's TSB also has Yin-Yang Release. Again, didn't mean to butt in and be rude, that's why I created a separate headline on your page, but I was just trying to help. :) Glad you haven't left the wiki, that would have been a blow to Narutopedia. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:22, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Of course they do, Madara is a known YYR user since he had told Obito he would teach him just that--Elveonora (talk) 09:25, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

SPS&Rinnegan Edit

Not entirely:

  • both Naruto and Sasuke received power from Hagoromo which allowed them to awake SPST and Rinnegan respectively (I originally thought it was because of Hashirama stuff alone), so having 9TBs chakras by itself wouldn't give him SPST without Hagoromo's touch--Elveonora (talk) 22:33, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I mean latest chapter made it clear that Hagoromo has to do with their SPST and Rinnegan (so the tattoos weren't the only things he gave them) but Hagoromo didn't give Naruto TB chakra, they themselves did and Obito did the remaining 2. So whatever Hagoromo gave Naruto is the "missing piece" to the puzzle.--Elveonora (talk) 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Talk about coincidental timing 0_0 we messaged each other at the same time :P And yes, latest chapter makes it seem Hagoromo has to do with their powers, but you may figure out otherwise once you get your hands on the raw or so. And even though Madara didn't meet Hagoromo, he was TT jinch. TT is 9TB + x, the 'x' being what allows Six Paths Sage Technique--Elveonora (talk) 10:21, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hagoromo said that giving power only to one of them resulted in Ashura and Indra rivalry, giving power to both Naruto and Sasuke didn't fix it tho. So if the only power Hagoromo gave to Naruto and Sasuke were the tattoos, then either Ashura or Indra must have had one or both tattoos as well. Unless he was talking about different thing than the tattoos--Elveonora (talk) 10:27, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Indra was already born with strong chakra and Ashura's eventually matured/bloomed as time went on. But birth inheritance isn't gift, unless Hagoromo created Ashura weak and Indra strong with Creation of All Things. So I suppose what the original gift refers to is Ashura's "battle avatar" Hagoromo likely gave Ashura Six Paths Senjutsu. Indra wasn't given anything, thus had only Sharingan. This time around, Hagoromo not only has given Ashura's incarnate Six Paths Senjutsu, but Rinnegan to Indra's incarnate as well. This way it makes sense--Elveonora (talk) 10:42, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

But Ashura eventually became equal to Indra. Hagoromo says giving power to one caused rivalry, so that doesn't seem like it refers to one of them having been born stronger. Hagoromo had no input about how their genes would turn out. Also I believe in an older chapter this is referenced and Hagoromo says he gave power to Ashura, so giving power to Ashura made him stronger than Indra thus caused trouble and as such can't refer to their birth inheritance, since Ashura was the weaker one originally. But you are the translator, so you may know better--Elveonora (talk) 10:52, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

So Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke successorship to Ninshu? That's it, Hagoromo made a clear parallel between giving power to Naruto and Sasuke and having given power just to Ashura--Elveonora (talk) 11:12, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I think in the latest chapter. But you may want to take this to relevant talkpage for everyone to chime in.--Elveonora (talk) 11:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths for Kaguya Edit

I thought it was agreed that Kaguya has no involvement to the Six Paths or any related techniques.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:05, September 11, 2014

I believe it was during the discussion of the Truth-Seeking Balls.—Steveo920 (Talk) 10:11 September 11, 2014

stuff Edit

Rikudou Rod etc. were also used I believe, but by Naruto and he likes to give weird nicknames. In my honest opinion "six paths" simply means Hagoromo, thus six path's means Hagoromo's.

  • Hagoromo's Senjutsu (his Senjutsu)
  • Hagoromo's Chakra (his chakra)
  • Hagoromo's Power (his power, unspecified)
  • Hagoromo's Yin Power/Yang Power (his power, specified)
  • Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei (specialized version of the technique)
  • Hagoromo's Technique (his personal technique with the Rinnegan)--Elveonora (talk) 20:31, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yes. But within the context of what we know, all six paths stuff = hagoromo stuff. There's no way to figure why he is six paths and what it is tho. We may need a databook for that. And I think your list should be complete, I don't recall any other six paths good job--Elveonora (talk) 21:06, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

You did, but honestly, half the terms most likely refer to the same thing. Also in case you would, then be so nice and give some input to these:

Thanks in advance. The first, Six Paths Yin/Yang Powers were never called Yin and Yang nature releases, were they? The second, I believe you also know that Naruto is just a pseudo jinchuuriki of 1-8 TBs and not a full one. The third, is Naruto even an user of kekkei mora? He asks the Tailed Beasts for the natures, so he doesn't know how to use them himself. Therefore I think it's nonsensical that he has the ability to merge all natures that he can't even use, not to mention it has a genetic vibe to it, therefore in my opinion only Kaguya and Hagoromo should be considered users, not her jinchuuriki--Elveonora (talk) 21:17, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

That's understandable, but man, If I had to count how many times I wanted to almost leave the wiki ... :P But what would this place be without me, right? :D Anyway:

  • I guess you are right. Although that's the reason why I'm wondering, are there things such as Six Paths Yin/Yang Release? :O

And funny you mention that. The term pseudo worked just fine, until certain people changed it as they deemed fit with "logic" that "when chakra talks, they are full jinchuuriki" or so, like wtf. But I don't think you should be quiet about this, once the raw comes out and it implies that the Tailed Beasts aren't truly within Naruto, then you should let people know. And I know. Fact is, our beliefs are to be put in line soon, very soon... as soon as Naruto's TSB clashes with Sasuke or his technique ;) I admit that there's a chance we are wrong, but in my opinion more things imply his aren't all natures. So if we turn out to be wrong, then I will personally apologize to everyone I disagreed with and leave with a tail in between my legs--Elveonora (talk) 21:51, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Your opinions on stuff Edit

I just wanted to say that I completely agree and support all the stuff you say. i agree with your opinion's on magnet release too. Just wanted to let you know that your not the only user that doesnt agree with all the bull shit that gets added. Munchvtec (talk) 00:10, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Butting in :P the thing is, it shouldn't be about an agreement to begin with. If millions of people decide to agree about something that's just plain wrong, it won't become right anywhere but in their own heads. And even if they are right, they still are making an assumption (even if true) thus are jumping the gun, before it's actually known to be true.--Elveonora (talk) 12:04, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Help Edit

How do i make articles that don't have a template like for example an article on a book not the volume? Munchvtec (talk) 18:13, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

no offense taken and i was gonna create articles for the three anime profiles books. Munchvtec (talk) 18:16, September 13, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Edit

In the chapter that Naruto seals Madara's shadows in, he refers to the black rods as the "Sage's Rods". I don't know if that means anything or what the RAW's actually say, but I thought I'd bring that to your attention. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 01:58, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Names Edit

I know how and where to look. Currently from here and here. I expect both to get more names as the days go by. The links on the first I can only read right when I get Google's cached version, I just look for a video game technique I know they have. Second link will have more movesets as the days go by as well. I got most of the Storm 2, Generations and Storm 3 from their Storm 3 site over at the enormous list I have at Forum:Video game jutsu overhaul/sub. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:38, September 15, 2014 (UTC)

not very serious, just bored Edit

Yet, I've been thinking... most Root remembers were orphans, right? Iruka is an orphan. The guy in the background looks just like Iruka and I presume that that's Hyo under the mask. So both orphans, same scar, same hairstyle and hair color, same eye color... same person? :O Too bad it doesn't work since Hyo is 21 years old, rait? T_T--Elveonora (talk) 12:26, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Outer Path Fact-Checking Edit

Hey, I was wondering if you could translate a few things related to the Outer Path abilities when you get a chance.

  • Chapter 565, pages 6 and 10 - Do these seem to attribute the connected vision to Gedō or just controlling corpses with chakra? (The article currently states both are derived from Gedō).
  • Chapter 569, page 2 - Does Obito actually say he'll drag Four-Tails and Naruto inside of himself? This isn't documented anywhere on the wiki, as far as I can tell.
  • Same chapter, page 10 - What does Obito say about his and Nagato's binding power? Is this sufficient evidence that both the chakra receivers and chains are Gedō powers? We currently list the latter as one but not the former, using this page as evidence. (And yes, I'm fully aware that Madara created receivers without the Rinnegan in one instance).

Thanks.--BeyondRed (talk) 23:49, September 16, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for butting in, but I'm also interested in the Outer Path's connection to the "Gedo Mazo". I remember that you already explained this somewhere, but I can't find the topic.--Elveonora (talk) 09:49, September 17, 2014 (UTC)

Translation requests Edit

Can you translate these two pages for me??

http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2014/05/%E3%82%A4%E3%82%BF%E3%83%81%EF%BC%88%E6%9C%A8%E3%83%8E%E8%91%89%E6%99%82%E4%BB%A3%EF%BC%89%E3%81%AE%E3%82%B3%E3%83%94%E3%83%BC.jpg

http://blog.pierrot.jp/wp-content/uploads/blog.pierrot.jp/2014/06/%E3%82%B5%E3%82%B9%E3%82%B1%E3%81%AE%E4%B8%A1%E8%A6%AA.jpg ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:56, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

I just wanted to know everything that was said on those pages is all. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:32, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Sasuke and Kakashi Character Scans Translations? Edit

Hello Seelentau-Senpai! How are you today? When you find the time, can you please translate the new scan of Sasuke and Kakashi's character design for the new movie? I've heard some rumors that it says Sasuke has turned good and Kakashi is Hokage, and also that starting in October, we will get new teasers of the movie with every new Naruto Shippuden episode. Can you please confirm or deny these rumors, as well as let me (us) know any other information the scan provides? Thanks a bunch- have a nice day! --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 23:43, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

Does it say that Sasuke is now on the "good side"? What do the little messages next to both Sasuke and Kakashi say? And do you have any extensive info about what these teasers are? Thanks! --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 19:01, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Obito and Hagoromo's chakra Edit

Kakashi while being possessed by Obito phantom said Six Paths chakra stuff. So unless Six Paths chakra doesn't equal Hagoromo's chakra, then Obito and by extension Kakashi had Hagoromo's chakra.--Elveonora (talk) 13:15, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

He does? In that case take back what I said then... but what is Six Paths Power again? :D Sasuke had Six Paths Yin Power, Naruto had Six Paths Yang Power, but what kind of power did Obito have and more importantly from where? :O--Elveonora (talk) 13:19, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Question Edit

Based on here, do you believe that the TSB is a tailed beast skill (which requires TB chakra)? Simple yes or no and an explanation will do, thanks. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 13:22, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

I don't believe the TSB is a tailed beast skill either, because of chapter 690, when Kaguya remember Hagoromo and Hamura sealing her, Hagoromo was clearly using a TSB without having Tailed Beast chakra (due to facing the original Tailed Beast). I'll elaborate further on what I think a TSB is now made of after you give me your opinion on what happened in 690. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 13:36, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
I think he was using one TSB, instead of multiple. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 13:37, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just pointing out that young Hagoromo with a TSB was shown in chapter 680, was that a pre-jinchuuriki?--Elveonora (talk) 13:46, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Hamura and his staff is a different subject altogether. What I'm getting at is that, like you, I don't think the TSB is a tailed beast skill, but because of Hagoromo. I say the TSB is made of the five natures, Yin-Yang, senjutsu, and the Six Paths Power/chakra. Not tailed beast chakra. For Naruto, I believe the tailed beasts gave him the elements necessary to use the TSB. I also believe that the TT gave Madara the elements necessary to use the TSB as well (with him pulling that lightning technique out of nowhere). But because Hagoromo mastered the five elements, Yin-Yang, and used the TSB without tailed beast chakra when facing the TT shown in 670 and 690, that is where I agree with you on the TSB not being a tailed beast skill. Correct me if I'm wrong on what I think, please. Thank you for your time. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 13:48, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

My bad for creating debate on your talkpage @Tau, I just wanted to ask a simple question and point out that I agree with your assertion that the TSB isn't a TB skill. Sorry if I needlessly invaded your talkpage. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 14:06, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

But it is a Tailed Beast Skill for Obito and Madara, because Six Paths chakra comes from Kaguya/the Ten-Tails. Hagoromo is an unique case, since he is her son.--Elveonora (talk) 14:14, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

TSBEdit

Howdy, on the Truth-Seeking Ball talkpage, a user brought up the question if the name should be plural or not, but nothing came of it. Ten told him to ask you, but since I saw no one asking, I took it upon myself to ask. Could it be plural? "Let go your earthly tether." (talk) 21:26, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

would you please Edit

Upload an official and full version of this image? It comes from one of the chapters' covers of the fight between him and Uchiha brothers.--Elveonora (talk) 11:08, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thanks. Do you think it could be used as an image for Jugo Clan's KKG? It shows both the transformation and absorption of natural energy in one.--Elveonora (talk) 11:17, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but there's not a single scene with Jugo which shows natural energy entering his body I believe--Elveonora (talk) 11:25, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

U sure? 0_o http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/File:Naruto_the_Sage.png looks the same to me--Elveonora (talk) 11:29, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Two questions Edit

Not trying to argue with or revert your decisions, but:

1. Is it plausible to say all TSB use the Six Paths Sage Chakra from the SPST? Kaguya was able to use it without the SPST.

2. Why remove the notice? You never know if an editor who thinks he or she is correcting incorrect info could add wood release there again.

I know it always seems like there's a debate about the TSB or Six Paths, but I just have questions. That is all. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 22:21, September 22, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks... Edit

For removing the TB skill from TSB. But may I ask what was your reasoning? I thought it was because of Hagoromo. You say it's about the Six Paths power. Can you please further elaborate on why it isn't related to a TB? Thanks! --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:14, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

So Kaguya copied later users you say...?--Elveonora (talk) 11:18, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

No, but it doesn't change that the first confirmed time of use comes from Hagoromo, not Kaguya. And even if she used it earlier, it doesn't prove that it's a TBs. • Seelentau 愛 11:20, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, so let me ask you this: where do you think Six Paths Chakra comes from?--Elveonora (talk) 11:21, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
No idea. If it really comes from the TT, aren't technically all jutsu and everything that uses chakra TB skills? • Seelentau 愛 11:24, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
Windstar made the same point and I guess so? 0_o The thing is, Six Paths Chakra isn't something that people and otherwise in Narutoverse commonly have, or so it would seem. Becoming a TT jinch grants this chakra, that's why it's a TBS to me--Elveonora (talk) 11:26, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
I did make that point. @Tau, if you can get by the duo of @Elveo and @Foxie, that'll be impressive. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 11:31, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

What defines a Tailed Beast Skill anyway? Was such term ever officially used in the first place?--Elveonora (talk) 11:33, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

No, it wasn't. And we don't have prove that becoming the TT's Jinchuriki grants Six Paths Chakra. • Seelentau 愛 11:40, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
Clarifiacation: Tailed Beast Skill was made to separate "Ninjutsu" from "Tailed Beast Ball" which at the time of it's creation wasn't considered an actual jutsu but more of a thing tailed beasts could just do. It is in no way official and there are enough holes in the concept that it could very easily be done away with in full.
Carry on with whatever.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 11:46, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
@Ulti, thanks for clarification. So it's basically fanon I guess? 0_0 Maybe we should change some things if that's the case. @Seel, if becoming TT jinch doesn't grant SPC, then where did Obito and Madara get it? ;)--Elveonora (talk) 11:47, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
No idea. I can just say what the manga says. • Seelentau 愛 11:53, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
Well you do have an idea, they got it from the Ten-Tails obviously :)--Elveonora (talk) 11:57, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
Can you provide proof for that, other than "They only got it after becoming TT's Jinchuriki"? • Seelentau 愛 12:00, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

But ain't that 'nough proof?--Elveonora (talk) 12:01, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

Considering that Naruto, who never was Jinchuriki of the TT, has the orbs, too? No. • Seelentau 愛 12:03, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
But was given chakra from Hagoromo, who not only is Kaguya's son but also was the Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki. If you go backwards, the origin of all chakra is Kaguya--Elveonora (talk) 12:11, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
He was given chakra from Hagoromo, not from the TT. You're making the Hagoromo-Kaguya-TT connection seem way too easy, man. • Seelentau 愛 12:18, September 23, 2014 (UTC)
^^^^Again, thanks. You somehow got by @Elveo, but you'll have to find a way to get by @Foxie as well, for this is one of the rare topics @Elveo and him agree on. @Foxie may come at add the TB skill thing there all over again. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 19:26, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

And here I thought Hagoromo's chakra came from his mother, but whatever...--Elveonora (talk) 19:45, September 23, 2014 (UTC)

This is late and may be fruitless but.. Edit

http://i.imgur.com/qE8cj3e.png This is the supposed official spoiler for 693. Can you translate it please?? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 23:17, September 24, 2014 (UTC)

Darn.. damn internet trolls. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 01:28, September 25, 2014 (UTC)

My theory on how nature releases work Edit

Once you said that you are interested in mechanism behind chakra, so you may be interested in what I think.

Clearly we both understand what each of the chakra natures is (heated chakra, thin sharp chakra, vibrating chakra, density manipulation chakra, state manipulation chakra) so the question may be: how come then the resulting techniques appear as actual fire, wind, lightning, earth and water? Note: you may disagree, because the explanation has less to do with magic but more with chemistry, but I see it like this:

  • To exhale fire, they do so by kneading Katon Chakra into gases inside of their bodies, exhaling said gases as fire.
  • To make wind, there are multiple ways to do so. For example Temari, she kneads Fuuton Chakra into her fan and with the motion of it, she creates air movement and pressure that is like blades, thus wind. Danzo for another example did it by kneading Fuuton Chakra directly into his breath and then exhaling it.
  • To make lightning, they knead Raiton Chakra into actual electricity in their bodies, notably from brain and nervous system.
  • To spit earth, they knead Doton Chakra into their bodily fluids and other chemicals, spitting it up as a substance. You probably wouldn't want to touch or smell that.
  • To spit water, they knead Suiton Chakra into actual water inside of their bodies. No wonder Suigetsu has to drink so much.

Most people probably think, that for example Wood Release is actual earth mixed with water, but that would be mud. It is just the chakras mixed together, not substances.

Do you agree with at least some of these? I hope so ._.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:01, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

So you prefer a much simpler explanation then I guess :P Would heated chakra be a fire? I don't think so, it makes more sense to me that it's the heated chakra igniting bodily gases thus producing fire. And for example Naruto's Rasenshuriken doesn't produce wind like Temari or Danzo's techniques do, that's because he infuses rotating chakra with thin and sharp chakra rather than the air. Also Tobirama can create water out of nowhere as well, rather than just from his body. There are water particles in the air, infusing them with chakra could explain that--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 15:13, September 26, 2014 (UTC)

I got the idea from Shizune kneading chakra into chemicals inside of her body and exhaling them as poisonous gas, so such a thing indeed is done in Narutoverse.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 09:22, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Tankobon omitted cover text Edit

Is it possible to still purchase old magazine prints of the chapters that have the text?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 11:21, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

The chapter cover with Yamato on it which says that Hashirama died 50 years prior to Part II. can you confirm?--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 12:06, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

My memory sucks to simply put it, so I may repeat myself often :P I should train my brain more often I guess. And I see, I would take that statement as him dying 50 years ago. That would fall in with Hashirama's flashback of Tsunade. I'd put his death as 34 bNB rather than 38.--Elve [Moderator] Talk Page|Contribs 14:21, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Question Edit

Sorry to bother you again, but I need some clarification. Can you give me your best explanation of the difference between the Six Paths Chakra and the Six Paths Power (even though you might not know the full extent of the latter)? Also, did Sasuke use the Six Paths Chakra or Power when he used his Chidori to damage Madara? And finally, doesn't the Six Paths Chakra = Indra + Asura? Or is that something else? I honestly think the Six Paths Chakra/Power comes from light-purple Rinnegan. Thanks in advance. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 18:03, September 27, 2014 (UTC)

Bump. :/ --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 00:05, September 28, 2014 (UTC)
Bumpity-bump. Please answer, I want to know, and after this, I will no longer ask you any questions again. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 16:45, September 28, 2014 (UTC)

six paths round 2 talk Edit

seel, brutha can U please check the last part of that discussion & tell me Ur opinion...no one seems to give a fuck...thanx --DARK ZER06 (talk) 07:55, September 29, 2014 (UTC)

Help Edit

hey buddy...how U doin...need a favor...would U kindly translate "bloodline purification" & "bloodline annihilation" to Japanese 4 me...thanx :] --DARK ZER06 (talk) 19:28, September 30, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter 694 Spoilers? Edit

If you have the time, can you please translate the spoiler for chapter 694 here (in the box on the bottom):[1] Also, if you wouldn't mind, what does the little message about Sasuke's new series say? --KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 02:03, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

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