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Oil

Fire + Earth + Water = Oil release. I know Jiraiya used oil and he turned chakra into oil. With Kishi rectoning Amatersu into Blaze and Deidara's techs into collaborative Explosion and Earth its possible Jiraiya could have been using an elemental nature.Water And Earth creates a solution which is then give combustable properties through fire aka oil. I know Jiraiya didn't use and Water element tech but he knew enough to teach someone else about it.Umishiru (talk) 07:26, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

Blood Release

have u ever thought about a blood release as a possible three element combo possibly like water-yin-yang or as water-yin/yang-and another element. u know prolly something with water 01:38, February 25, 2011 (UTC)Muguruma69 (talk)

I have thought about it, but I'm a bit conflicted over the idea. My current idea for water + yin + yang is ocean, but that maybe too similar to wave, which I use as yang + water in the two element combinations. I can see how the three can make blood, and it sort of makes sense, but there's this unease about it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:13, February 25, 2011 (UTC)

Triple Elements

I like the triple elemental combinations you came up with so far. I don't know if you need it, but here's some help on the names:

  • Implosion Release (縮遁, Shukuton) and implosion (爆縮, bakushuku).
  • Rust Release (錆遁, Sabiton, possibly Seiton) and rust (錆, sabi).
  • Coal Release (炭遁, Tanton) and coal (炭, sumi).
    • Technically 炭 means charcoal (also written as 木炭, mokutan), but it can also be used for all kinds of coal. Normal coal is usually called 石炭 (sekitan).
  • Mercury Release (汞遁, Kōton) and mercury (水銀, suigin).
    • 汞 is a rather uncommon kanji for mercury, but still used in certain compound words and it's the standard word for mercury in Chinese. It's pronounced as 'mizugane' on its own. 水銀 literally means 'water silver' and the kanji you're using for mercury at the moment is simply the kanji for silver.
  • Meteorite Release (隕遁, Inton) and meteorite (隕石, inseki).
  • Health Release (健遁, Kenton) and Health (健康, kenkō).
  • Mind Release (心遁, Shinton) and mind (心, kokoro).
  • Sky Release (空遁, Kūton) and sky (空, sora).
  • Oil Release (油遁, Yuton) and oil (油, abura).
  • Alcohol Release (酒遁, Shuton) and alcohol (酒, sake) if you mean the drinks or alcohol (アルコール, arukōru) if you mean the basic substance.
  • Flesh Release (肉遁, Kūton) and flesh (肉, niku).
    • Just wanted to add this: Muscle Release (筋遁, Kinton) and muscle (筋肉, kinniku).
  • Blood Release (血遁, Ketton, Chiton) and blood (血, chi).
  • For star, I personally prefer 星 (hoshi) over 恒星 (kōsei), but that's just my personal preference. 星 is more poetic, but also more broadly defined, as it can refer to practically any celestial body.

ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 11:32, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I already had some of those, but you did point out some stuff I didn't have. The one I intend to use is 石炭 indeed, because it's mineral coal, not the you get by heating wood. The uncommon kanji for mercury is welcome. I do mean the substance in alcohol's case, though I can see the nature being used to make beverages as well. I think I'll stay with flesh, since that incorporates muscle as well as other soft tissues. I specifically used the more narrow term for star because I want to focus on the plasma of it. I originally had this as Plasma Release, but then someone pointed out I could use star. The combinations I'm having most difficulty with are the ones with lightning, yang, and wind. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:14, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
Glad I could help. I would like to point out, though, that since 心 can also be translated as 'heart', it is now finally possible to summon Captain Planet ^^
Also, would you like some icons with your new elements? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:22, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
"By your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!". Make them only as you're willing to make. Ideas on stuff with wind, lightning, or yang (the most problematic ones) are also welcome. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:24, March 6, 2011 (UTC)
Not bad idea, the Captain Planet thing. Wind-Yin-Yang combination could be Spirit or Soul Release since you already have health, mind, flesh, and blood. Deva Path and 3 of the 5 treasures manipulate the soul. --Sorrel (talk) 07:01, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
The problem with soul is that there are (I think) various kanji for it, and several can also mean other things. I also want to have a good reasoning for that, and so far what I can come up with is unsatisfactory for my standard. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:03, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
I glad you like the icons ^^ If you're looking for a nice kanji for soul, 魂 is the most common one. 霊 is mroe related to the deceased. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 18:48, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
Will probably use it, but I still need to come up with a viable reasoning for the combination. Is there some cultural connection between wind/air and the soul in the Japanese culture? I know the kanji used for Gas Release can also mean spirit. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:34, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
Not really, as far as I know. 風 can be used for concepts like manners, customs, and style — e.g. Japanese style (和風, wafū) and national customs (国風, kokufū) — but that's about as close as you can get. I do think that 魂 encompasses these concepts, though. Although similar to the English words spirit and soul, 魂 and 霊 have very unique meanings. Read this for more detailed info. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 20:06, March 7, 2011 (UTC)
So it's something that kinda reminds one from habit/personality. I see there's also a relation with the word soul that three of the tools used by Kinkaku and Ginkaku use to curse and seal others. Yeah, I'm using it. Just a question before I add it. 魂遁 would be Konton or Gonton? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:12, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
Konton. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 20:24, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
You might find this interesting:
There's a word for soul in Japanese, 魂魄 (konpaku), that is written with 魂 — the kanji we talked about above — and 魄, which is a kanji that means roughly the same as 魂. However, both have a subtle difference to them. 魂 is said to refer to that part of the soul that governs the mind — the Yang energy — whereas 魄 refers to that part of the soul that governs the body — the Yin energy. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 20:38, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
So, in a way, Kishimoto may have switched some characteristics from Yin and Yang? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:18, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, odd isn't it? I wonder if it was a mistake or done on purpose... Here's a little list from the Japanese Wikipedia, showing some examples of the duality of Yin and Yang:
  Yin Yang
Fundamental characteristics centripetal force centrifugal force
Inclination contraction expansion
Function scattering, dispersion, disassembly, separation adhesion, assimilation, gathering, formation
Movement lethargic, slow vigorous, quick
Oscillation short wave, high frequency long wave, low frequency
Direction descending, horizontal ascending, vertical
Location inside, centre outside, circumference
Weight heavy light
Light intensity dark (dim light, moonlight) bright (bright light, sunlight)
Humidity damp dry
Density dense thin
Form small large
Shape deflating expanding
Sense of touch hard soft
Particles electrons protons
Chemical elements nitrogen, oxygen, phosphorus, calcium, etc. hydrogen, carbon, sodium, arsenic, magnesium, etc.
Enviroment waves ― air ―   ― water ― earth
Climate cold climate tropical climate
Biological characteristics plant animal
Sex female male
Respiration exhalation inhalation
Organ structure solid organs, condensing Hollow organs, swelling
Nerves central nerves, parasympathetic nerves peripheral nerves, sympathetic nerves
reinforce/reduce (acupuncture) reinforce reduce
Attitude, sensitivity calm, negative/unmotivated, defensive active, positive/assertive, offensive
Work physical, social psychological, mental
Culture material mental
Dimension space time
In-/exterior interior exterior
Martial arts gentle strong
Battle Defence Offence
Orientation below, behind, right above, front, left
Spouses wife husband
Parents mother father
Sides reverse obverse
Heavenly bodies Moon (Great Yin) Sun (Great Yang)
Weather rain clear
Day/night night day
Heaven/Earth Earth Heaven
Temperature cold warm
Numbers even odd
Business loss profit
State of affairs quiet changing
Human beings Body Spirit (mind)
Mathematics - (negative) + (positive)
Spring/Autumn Autumn Spring
Summer/Winter Summer Winter
East/West West East
North/South North South
Back/abdomen abdomen back
Emotions constraint excitement
Internal organs Five (six) zàng: liver, heart, spleen, lungs, kidneys (and pericardium) The six (five) fǔ: gall bladder, small intestine, stomach, large intestine, urinary bladder (and Sān Jiāo)
Human body structure skin, bones muscles
Portions lower part top part
Height low high
Sound pitch, tone low high
Light/dark light dark
Mountains north south
Rivers south north
ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 10:16, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
If I didn't know Yin-Yang applied to so many things, I'd say that this list fails to grasp to show "little". Still, there's stuff here I never heard of. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:49, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
Yin–Yang applies to everything. It is what the Universe is made of. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 20:37, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
Taking this table into consideration, I'd say coming up with properties and ideas will be far simpler, well, at least for the Yin and Yang combos. Vik0z0z (talk) Kami da! 13:52, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Wind and earth combination

Man, it's annoying to see that empty spot for the wind-earth combination >< How about something that combines wind with the ability of Earth chakra to change how hard or soft something is? Perhaps a wind that can make anything it touches brittle, soft, or dull, pliable or hard? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 17:46, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I already have something in that spot. You need to take a raw look at it to see. It's one of the combinations I speculate on the most in the page. I hope Kishimoto will confirm it in coming chapters. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:12, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, of course. Te be honest, I still believe that's the best solution as well. Especially considering Dust Release. I even made an icon for it a long time ago already ^^ —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 10:11, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Fire, Water, and Yang.

Could this make steam release? Because when fire and water come together, steam happens, and yang is like making things more powerful... That's just what I was thinking. And would Mirror Release be like genjutsu? I think it sounds like a really cool idea. --Ampm123 (talk) 23:22, June 9, 2011 (UTC)Ampm123

I'm not considering steam as an option since Han is already known to use it, and his isn't even implied to be an element. I haven't imagined any of the combinations in this page as genjutsu. I see Mirror Release as something that can be used in many ways, though the easiest ways which come to mind are defensive and supplementary. I have one idea for fire, water, and yang, but I haven't put it down yet because I hope to find a better alternative, since the one I thought up doesn't sound very offensive, it looks like a element version of medical ninjutsu, something like hot springs, since Yang Release has to do with energy and life. I tried finding something liquid and powerful, kinda like napalm, but nothing seems to fit, and when it sort of does, there's no native word in Japanese for it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:44, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

I like the hot spring idea. And the reason I thought Mirror Release would be a genjutsu is because like one person would use a mirror release move, and the opponent would like see there self in the "mirror" and it would make an illusion... But that's just what I thought. Thanks for replying. --Ampm123 (talk) 00:14, June 10, 2011 (UTC)Ampm123

Mirrors do have a ring about illusions don't they? One example of what I think would be a good portrayal of Mirror Release is imprisoning something that is reflected in the mirror. In some cultures, mirrors show one's soul, and when someone dies, reflective surfaces are covered so the deceased one's soul isn't caught by accident and is able to move on. Negating an attack by doing the same with a Mirror Release technique is one example of what I think it can do. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:35, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

I never knew about the soul not moving on, that's really cool. I really like all your combonations on the table. --Ampm123 (talk) 01:38, June 10, 2011 (UTC)Ampm123

Lightning Yin fire...Power release?

I dont know about your power release theory... I mean raiton its self is power. You shouldnt wast this spot on Power Release, I think you should make something better. Im not forcing your I just think power release is really really lame.And I dont think thats even close to what masashi would say. Ill try to give you scientific ideas for other elements to.--Black-Light (talk) 05:16, June 12, 2011 (UTC)Black-Light

I'm not saying power as in electric power. I'm saying power as in work performance rate or energy conversion rate. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 05:25, June 12, 2011 (UTC)

The Original Techniques

I came across this article on the Japanese Wikipedia and I thought you might be interested. It's about the techniques that the elemental jutsu from Naruto were based on. Below is the translation. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 01:25, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

Tonjutsu

Within ninjutsu, Escape Techniques (遁術, Tonjutsu) are techniques used to hide or escape from the enemy. Also called the 'Five Escapes, Thirty Methods' (五遁三十法), there are a total of thirty techniques, consisting of the 'Ten Methods of Heavenly Escapes' (天遁十法), the 'Ten Methods of Earthly Escapes' (地遁十法), and the 'Ten Methods of Human Escapes' (人遁十法).

Ten Methods of Heavenly Escapes

Ten Methods of Heavenly Escapes (天遁十法)

Methods using the weather to escape. To effectively use these, a ninja must be trained in telling what the weather will be from the look of the sky.

  • Sun Escape (日遁): Utilising the sun. For example: blinding the enemy by having the sun in your back.
  • Moon Escape (月遁): Utilising the moon. For example: taking the opportunity to escape when the moon is hidden behind clouds.
  • Star Escape (星遁): Utilising the stars.
  • Cloud Escape (雲遁): Utilising the clouds.
  • Mist Escape (霧遁): Utilising mist. For example: Advancing when heavy fog causes a poor field of vision.
  • Thunder Escape (雷遁): Utilising thunder. For example: predicting a thundercloud and using the diversion of the thunder to do reconnaissance.
  • Electricity Escape (電遁): Utilising electricity. For example: taking the opportunity to escape when the enemy is caused to falter by static electricity.
  • Wind Escape (風遁): Utilising the wind.
  • Rain Escape (雨遁): Utilising rain. For example: Waiting for an evening shower to cause a poor field of vision before escaping.
  • Snow Escape (雪遁): Utilising snow. For example: preparing a special outfit designed to protect against the cold, so you can escape during a blizzard.

Ten Methods of Earthly Escapes

Ten Methods of Earthly Escapes (地遁十法)

Methods using objects and the terrain to escape.

  • Wood Escape (木遁): Utilising wood. For example: making timber that is leaning against something fall down.
  • Grass Escape (草遁): Utilising grass. For example: binding up grass to someone stumble.
  • Fire Escape (火遁): Utilising fire. For example: causing a fire.
  • Smoke Escape (煙遁): Utilising smoke. For example: raising a smokescreen.
  • Earth Escape (土遁): Utilising earth. For example: throwing earth at the opponent.
  • Shop Escape (屋遁): Utilising buildings. For example: taking refuge under the floor.
  • Gold Escape (金遁): Utilising money. For example: coiling up money and escape while the enemy is picking it up.
  • Stone Escape (石遁): Utilising stones. For example: hitting the opponent with stones.
  • Water Escape (水遁): Utilising water. For example: averting the opponent by grabbing their attention, especially with the sound of water.
  • Hot Water Escape (湯遁): Utilising hot water. For example: throwing boiling water at the enemy.

Ten Methods of Human Escapes

Ten Methods of Human Escapes (人遁十法)

Methods using humans and animals to escape.

  • Man Escape (男遁): Utilising the male gender.
  • Woman Escape (女遁): Utilising the female gender.
  • Old Escape (老遁): Utilising aged people. For example: as disguise.
  • Young Escape (幼遁): Utilising children. For example: using a child as a decoy.
  • Nobility Escape (貴遁): Utilising people of high social status.
  • Poverty Escape (賎遁): Utilising people of low social status.
  • Bird Escape (禽遁): Utilising birds. For example: using a falcon as a decoy.
  • Beast Escape (獣遁): Utilising animals. For example: causing a horse act violently to raise an uproar.
  • Insect Escape (虫遁): Utilising insects, reptiles, and amphibians. For example: throwing a snake at someone.
  • Fish Escape (魚遁): Utilising fish.

Awesome. What exactly is the "hot water" one? I had this idea for fire, water, and yang, sort of hot spring, associating yang to healing baths and all, but I never actually listed because it doesn't feel like it has any offensive potential. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:07, June 17, 2011 (UTC)

The 'hot water' one is yu (湯). The same as in Hidan's hometown Yugakure. It's the same word that gave rise to the ゆ sign often seen on onsen and the same kanji used in hot-spring cure (湯治, dōji).
I personally don't see why an element should necessarily have mainly offensive potential. Defensive and supplementary potential can be just as handy. Still, hot water can hurt like hell, trust me. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 02:35, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
Is there another similar kanji for hot water or spring which would include that meaning? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:55, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
I think 湯 already carries the healing aspect enough, if that's what you mean. One of the first things a native Japanese person would think of when seeing 湯 is onsen and healing baths. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 01:08, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
Similar to 灼熱, is there an equivalent expression using "scalding"? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:27, June 18, 2011 (UTC)
There's 'scald' [as in the injury] (湯傷, tōshō) and 'boiling water' (熱湯, nettō). —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 14:00, June 18, 2011 (UTC)

Magnetism Release.

I am guessing Wind + Lightning or Earth + Lighting.Umishiru (talk) 15:11, July 6, 2011 (UTC)

Same. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:34, July 6, 2011 (UTC)
I know it's a bit farfetched, but Earth and Wind could be a possible combination, not just out of convenience because you need it. Electricity can travel through the electrons in air molecules (and obviously metal, ie: gold, copper, etc.) which is the common day shock that we get when near televisions or door knobs. Their ability to manipulate metal may actually be connected to positively charged minitature barriers around certain objects and/or the air around them, and the 'spark' would be more like converted chakra, similar to Tsunade-sama's Ranshinshou technique. Just food for though. 68.98.148.216 (talk) 02:20, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
In Naruto, Lighting is generated by the lighting element, otherwise it would be a derivate of another element like in The Last Airbender, since that is the case the magnetic properties are mostly likely generated by Lightning release since they tie into it As for the other element in the mix either one can be argued. Also Omni I know you want to declare your theory Debunked but how about instead declare it semi-confirmed. It is the first canon element that you guessed the name too before its reveal name wise. You can still try to guess the combo and hope for a complete verify.Umishiru (talk) 02:30, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
If that's the case, remove the '(presumed)' comment next to the lightning release symbol on Tsunade's page. She converted her chakra into electricity, according to the site anyway (which I believe to be true), so what's so strange about a spark of chakra being strong enough to create a barrier through the polarization of gaseous and metalic atoms/molecules. Besides, that's what magnetism is. It's a barrier. I know I'm really proving the point of Lightning+Earth/Wind, and not Earth+Wind, but I'm just being biased. I don't want to see Swift Release moved from the chart. :P 68.98.148.216 (talk) 02:39, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
Because your trying to over scientize something where the author is known to not being good at science. Good luck though, just don't get mad when Kishi does something again that goes against established scientific law. As for the Tsunade thing, this isn't the place for it, I would bring it up at or go read the proper talk pages for the site's decision for it. I can tell you though if your looking for me to defend the other side of the argument when it comes to her I am not the person for it. Its not ultimately up to you about what you want to see, keep and so on on the chart, its Omni's. All I do is type up suggestions and at the end of the day he decides what to do.Umishiru (talk) 02:54, July 7, 2011 (UTC)
I know, which is why I was suggesting an idea just like you, and trying to support it so that Omni would see it. Besides, weirder things have been on here before. See'ya! :) 68.98.148.216 (talk) 02:59, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Idea

Wind + Earth + Yin. I was maybe thinking of a Desert/Age Release. Basically it ages an object but rather than regular aging the object turns into sand, kind of like desertification or as it is culturally known sands of time thingy. Like in the mummy where Hamunaptra(City of the dead) turns to sand or ages when they flash forward it to modern time.Umishiru (talk) 03:03, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Bump.Umishiru (talk) 04:32, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

From the desert angle, I wouldn't use it, because Desert feels like something I'd use for stronger counterpart of Sand Release in the stronger counterpart table. Aging seems rather similar to the rotting idea you gave me in Rust Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:14, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

Volcanic Lightning?

Lightning+Earth+Yang. Dirty Thunderstorm or Volcanic Lightning. Idk if this is been suggested, but I can't find it as far as I saw. Electrical charges caused by ash and soot. Or maybe even 'Electrical Discharge' instead of Volcanic Lightning. ~Food for thought :) Sorry if my suggestions are lame. 68.98.148.216 (talk) 05:56, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

Smoke Release

Instead of smoke release being Fire+Wind+Yin, why not use Fire+Wind+Water since fire and wind already make smoke but if you put water in the mix (like dousing a fire) it also creates smoke (sorry for the lousy description)? Joshbl56 (talk) 04:56, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Smoke is defined as the airborne product of combustion. The smoke which rises after a fire is doused is the smoke that was already forming when the fire was doused. No new smoke is produced. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:27, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Black lightning Release

Instead of the Lightning + Yin combination giving Dark Release (冥遁, Meiton), it should give Black lightning that the Third Raikage and Darui are known for using, just like fire+Yin give the blaze release. —This unsigned comment was made by 78.108.169.8 (talkcontribs) .

Blaze Release was explicitly called something that indicates a new nature. Darui's black lightning wasn't called a new nature, it was called "Lightning Release", indicating it's not a new nature. My guess is that black lightning is some sort of hiden Lightning Release style. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:27, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Also if i may add something here, the black flames of Amaterasu is not blaze release, but simple fire release, so the fact that they are both black doesnt prove anything. I know you never said that was your reason for thinking black lightning should be lightning + yin, so if not my apoligies --Cosmikaze (talk) 16:46, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. Just Amaterasu is Fire Release, the manipulation of it, as seen in Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi, was called a new nature. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:25, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Plasma Release

I was looking for something that would work with the fire+water+lightning and instead of finding that, i found this instead. In the scientific explanation section it says that the phenomenon is a mixture of gas and plasma. Since you already have star release as a Fire+Lightning+Yang combination and a star is plasma, why not use Fire+Lightning+Wind for this release? If that doesn't seem to work, why not use Fire+Lightning+Water? I know it seems like a stupid idea but if you go by the way Storm release looks, its not as bad as it seems. Since storm release makes energy that can move like water, why not make this one plasma that can move like a fluid but can also pierce objects instead of just hitting them?Joshbl56 (talk) 03:53, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

You're not the first person to suggest something like that. Out of all suggestions, they all have something to do with an ethereal energy of sorts. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:46, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
I was going to suggest Fire+Lightning+Wind put you already have dawn release for that one (I'm confused on how that would work) but on a better note, I have another theory: Pyrocumulus clouds, Since this uses fire to evaporate moisture to make the cloud. Not sure this is a good choice either since you already have a cloud release but its the only thing i could find that doesn't have to do with plasma.Joshbl56 (talk) 00:19, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
If you read the reasoning for Dawn Release, you'll see that the original idea was Aurora Release. The most basic thing I can use as an example is Pokemon's Aurora Beam attack. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:53, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Theoretical Natures

First of all, I would like feedback for the Fluid (流), Shatter (破), and Gravity/Weight (重) Release ideas mentioned on your talk page, hope your triple combinations are working out. Also, some new ideas:

  • Since the kanji for Blaze (炎) was the simplest upgrade possible for the kanji for Fire (火), I find it possible that "Electricity/Thunder" (電) could be an upgrade (either Yin or Yang) for Lightning (雷).
  • The kanji "震" is used in the word for "earthquake" (地震) and can mean something around "thunder" (as in the sound) on its own. It is also used for "vibrate/shaking" (震動). "Quake Release" (震遁; Shinton)?

Also, do you think Wind Release gives natures the quality of passing through things and floating (I think I mentioned this before)? For Scorch, Dust, and Ice Releases, all of the produced elements either "phase" through targets and/or float in mid-air. --GoDai (talk) 02:50, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

For now, I'm not thinking about two element combinations. All the spots are filled with something already. Most of my lack of replying is because those are the last few weeks in collage for me in this period, so things are a bit hectic. I noticed the wind changing things so they pass through stuff. It's one of the reasons I considered wind and lightning a possibility to magnetism. Fluid/Flow is something I've always left benched because all things I can think for it are a bit too general. I don't quite get how Yang would be involved in shattering stuff. Gravity is specifically something I have avoided because of Nagato. I always tried to make something centred on mass, but it usually doesn't come out right. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:34, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Well Yang would enhance the energy.Umishiru (talk) 07:01, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Addition of Dokuton

A Dokuton(Poison)nature, yielding Poison release ninjutsu. Poisons or things of the poison nature causing various afflictions to an opponent's body. Poisons come in a variety of forms(i.e liquid,gas,etc). The poison release allows the user to perform poison based ninjutsu with various symptoms and such.

Would very much like it if you did a grid for a poison release(tried to help in it) and made a special tab/release icon for it :^D —This unsigned comment was made by 67.173.219.61 (talkcontribs) .

Symptoms and disease are kinda already covered by Bacteria Release, and considering that there are poison ninjutsu which as far as we know aren't elemental techniques (for example, Poison Mist), I won't consider poison as a viable chakra nature. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:14, July 15, 2011 (UTC)

The only kind of poison we have seen is a gas. I think his idea of the poison release being more then just gas, which would make more sense since we haven't seen anyone make liquid poison with chakra.Joshbl56 (talk) 03:46, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
I see no reason for characters who are already able to use gaseous poison being unable to make liquid poison as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 12:01, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Dokuton would cover a large range of abilities, poisonous gas as stated, liquid poison, corrosive poison,etc. We can't assume that they can make liquid poison just because they can make gaseous poison, such thinking isnt enough to use for a valid argument in my opinion. Also poison chakra nature seems more viable then certain assumed/custom made chakra elements(i.e typhoon, wave,land,brine, which are covered in their respective elements of wind, water, earth. Then dawn release which makes no reasonable sense to me or star,sky. Not sure how Forest can even be considered different from mokuton). As stated Dokuton would cover a wider range of possiblities and jutsu, just because a few members can create certain poison jutsu doesn't necessarily mean it covers the field of poison nature since a number of characters use fire jutsus and such.

Plus think about magnetism release once thought to be restricted to the third kazekage only to reveal others also have the kekkei genkai but utilize the kekkei genkai in their own respective means using different methods. So just because some characters use poison jutsu doesn't mean poison nature cant be used in a more refined ability. —This unsigned comment was made by 67.173.219.61 (talkcontribs) .

Typhoon, wave, land, and brine are pretty much what Blaze Release is to Fire Release. We still don't know what exactly Blaze Release is, so I based those four on what I think the mechanic is for Blaze Release. If you take the time to read the reasoning for Dawn Release, you'll see it's a proxy for aurora borealis-like techniques. I don't simply throw something random at a combination, I always take the time and trouble to find some degree of explanation for them. Forest is based on a different theory, in which there are no combinations with Yin or Yang, in which case, based on Blaze Release, each nature would have a stronger, or empowered version of itself. I don't consider using poison as a nature because characters were already mentioned as using poison without doing any nature transformation. Magnetism is different. From the first time it appeared, it was said to be a kekkei genkai, it just wasn't called a nature transformation. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:47, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

Idea Pt.2

How about a Salt release. Wind + Earth + Yin. It seems the desert contains many minerals including many salts. Earth reduced to sand like particles(Earth + Wind) that are transformed by Yin into salt.Umishiru (talk) 06:27, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

That would have been a good idea, but I already the kanji for salt in Brine Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 06:33, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Brine Release seems more like the use of water diluted with salt than salt itself.Umishiru (talk) 06:47, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm.Sugar release. Aww man, Salt and Sugar. Salt: Earth + Wind + Yin Sugar: Earth + Wind + Yang. Would have been perfect. Lets see a Gem release? Gem are cut(Wind)and refined/polished(sometimes)minerals(Earth). Uh a mineral(Earth)is cut by the Wind into a particular size and shape which is enhanced(Yang).Umishiru (talk) 06:59, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Mechanics again

I'm sorry for bringing this up since you probably have realized, but from what we have seen,

  • Fire adds energy into things, making particles move faster and changes states of matter. (This also makes sense for the effects of Dust.)
  • Wind causes things to float and/or pass through solid matter.
  • Lightning (I am not exactly sure, since there aren't many confirmed combinations, nor common traits between the known ones) involves electromagnetic energies.
  • Earth seems to involve minerals (and maybe organic matter), and their characteristics.
  • Water either involves actual H2O, or fluid movement.

I believe some of your natures could be a little more based on these, although these are subject to change over time also. This organization has become slightly refined in recent times as new natures were shown. Although we still haven't seen much of Yin and Yang, I am not sure about several things:

  • Brine Release implies that there's more salt in it, which in turn sounds more related to Earth, as Yin alone being able to change the quantities of salt seems a little sceptical.
  • Mirror Release seems too closely related to Glass Release, and Water seems to lack an actual part in the process ofits formation.

Not too be overly critical, I just think some natures deserve a better clarification. I really liked your section for the Sand Issue, I hope you create more analyses like that one. I also personally think the triple combinations have some duality with one another when their combinations are identical except for Yin and Yang (e.g. Smoke/Gas, Implosion/Pulse, Alcohol/Hot Water). Also, did you base the Implosion and Pulse natures' directions on the inward/outward comparison of Yin and Yang? I thought that was really creative. --GoDai (talk) 07:03, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I know about brine, but since it's still mostly water, I don't feel such a strong connection to earth. Most other works which involve changing a water element in someway that makes it become brine, I don't remember any of them using earth to do so. It's always something which relates to negativity, so Yin takes that aspect. I have different takes on Glass and Mirror. I see Glass as something sharp, kinda like a solid wind. Maybe even glass dust. I put water in mirror because I saw I could use the reflection aspect of water. The reason I made the section about sand is because there has always been a lot of debate on that topic ever since we learned that advanced natures are made from basic ones. If I put the sand issue in the reasoning section of a table, it would completely overpower the table, so I gave it its own spot. I noticed the duality as well between Smoke/Gas and others, and that's somewhat to be expected, since two elements are shared between them, and we don't know much of what Yin and Yang do, so I had to make something different, but that still had more of a connection with the basic elements than triple non-Yin-Yang combinations. Implosion and Pulse were actually suggested to me. Whenever someone gives me an idea I end up using, I note it in the credits section of the page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:20, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

So for Glass, it would be using the solid, transparent, sharp nature of glass, and Mirror would be focused around its reflective properties? I can see how you incorporated the reflection aspect of Water into Mirror, as it has also been noted in the effects of Ice Release, but I also find that a "Mirror Release" could be too similar to what we have seen in Demonic Ice Crystal Mirrors, although I guess its effects could be a little different.
I also like what you did with Dawn Release (being Aurora), the name being symbolic for the actual effect of a Release is something that has happened in the manga (Storm being fluid electric beams, Boil being an acidic vapour). In my opinion, you could always come up with the effect of the techniques first, name it symbolically, and then put what you imagine for the nature's effects. --GoDai (talk) 19:47, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

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