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Initial impressions

I don't agree with the Crystal Lightning/Earth combination much, but could I just say that I find this table absolutely amazing? It's a job well done! --NejiByakugan360 15:25, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

  • Thank ShounenSuki, he gave me the base code for the table. I listed Crystal as Earth and Lightning mainly because of fulgurites. It's the only thing I can think of when I put earth and lightning together. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:40, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
    • I've added explanations on my reasoning for the combinations in the table. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:54, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
      • I must say the fulgurite idea was amazing and I would have never thought of it, but I was reading over the Crystal Release page and it says (and I have seen this) the Crystal Nature can crystallize virtually anything with physical mass, including moisture. How would lightning turn anything other than sand and minerals into fulgurites? I was thinking, crystallization involves saturation, solutes in solutions, temperature, pressure, etc., instead of manipulating what you're crystallizing, it may make more sense to manipulate the conditions of crystallization. I know this may sound stupid and way out there, but if you manipulated Fire and Wind (or maybe Lightning with one of these) wouldn't you be able to manipulate crystallization (instead of using Earth to manipulate crystals themselves)? You know, saturation, melting, cooling, temperature, and pressure. But this would only be true if Crystal Release counts as canon, which it most likely isn't. Oh well. But it's good to think about how Earth and Lightning would crystallize moisture in the air. Sorry for the huge comment again.--GoDai (talk) 08:08, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
        • Maybe it's possible to direct the energy of lightning to manipulate the crystallization conditions you mentioned. And the third databook explicitly states that Earth natured chakra is used to change the hardness and composition of materials. Perhaps the earth chakra changes things into something "crystallizable" and the lightning chakra provides the energy for the process. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:04, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
          • But how would you add Earth chakra to water? I know Earth + Lightning is probably the only thing that can make sense, but the Crystal element seems to have bits and pieces of all 5 elements in some cases. I wouldn't take it so greatly as an official canon nature.--GoDai (talk) 20:07, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I've got to hand it to you Omnibender, all the reasoning are understandable. Crystal i good as well. I'm really impressed ^_^.--NejiByakugan360 22:25, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

There's got to be something that can be put in for fire and wind. 24.189.153.102 (talk) 21:11, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

It's the one I'm having most trouble with. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:12, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Blaze is the only thing i could think of, but that would be impossible. 24.189.153.102 (talk) 21:16, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Possibility is a smoke release, thought that would be stupid. 24.189.153.102 (talk) 21:17, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

It's the best idea I've seen so far, the most I had come up with is "heat", but that's too close to fire. I'll list smoke, perhaps ash, for now. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:19, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

It could also be another option for plasma, as plasma is an ionized gas that is very hot. 24.189.153.102 (talk) 21:24, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Plasma would have a closer relationship with lightning for me. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:36, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, water is a very good solvent by itself, combining it with itself could mean some possibility of a dissolve of solvent release. Vik0z0z (talk) 21:51, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Thing is, there are two solvent like water combinations already, with earth and with fire. One yields lava, and the other gives acid. I get what you mean, but it would feel too similar to other advanced natures. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:57, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I think lightning+lightning combo should be light release not dark but i dont know what dark should be —This unsigned comment was made by 72.213.29.42 (talkcontribs) .

I did think about it, but lightning/lightning was the only combination in which Dark Release made the slightest sense. Read the definition of Dark Release, the definition of Lightning Release, and then my reasoning. It's quite a stretch, but it's the only way I could make it work. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:54, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

I personally don't think there should be a Light Release, since Darui's Storm Release: Laser Circus seemed to be a light-based technique. --GoDai (talk) 06:17, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Looks more like liquid lightning if you ask me, that's even how we describe it over at Storm Release, and in the technique Darui used. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:22, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Then would you say the "Laser" part was just a pun on the appearance of the technique? GoDai (talk)
I don't know if it's a pun, but it isn't unheard of, see Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:58, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Oh I meant how the kanji is pronounced "Laser Circus," although it's not usually pronounced that way exactly. --GoDai (talk) 07:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

So wouldn't "laser" mean it's light-based? Can you describe what a Light Release jutsu would look like and do? If it's something like a bright light being fired, wouldn't it be too similar to that Lightning-genjutsu Lightning Illusion Flash of Lightning Pillar?--GoDai (talk) 04:40, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

By the way, if it is, that clan + Nara clan = pwnage at the 4th Shinobi World War.--GoDai (talk) 04:40, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think laser may not necessarily refer to the nature of Storm Release attacks, but in that case the look of the technique. I know they were rather fluid, but that aside, they did look like laser beams. I think that Light Release jutsu would look similar to Lightning Release, but with less forked energy, less branches, with a constant and even energy pulse, so to speak. For the lack of better comparison, I picture it as a neutral colored version of Starfire's attacks from Teen Titans, though not just the random bursts of energy, Light Release would be more varied. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:10, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

So like Whitebeard's "Quake bubbles" from One Piece? --GoDai (talk) 04:17, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
Like a "ball" or "bubble" of light in your hand, right?

I know it might be a little too big to ask, but could you add the appearance and effects of the theoretical Advanced Natures? I know I have said this before, but, as you know, the names and effects aren't usually the same. Storm wasn't a stereotypical "storm," Blaze was a controlled Amaterasu, Boil made an acid mist, not boiling water, and Dust wasn't just dust, but even smaller molecules.--GoDai (talk) 07:10, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

I would also love to see reasoning for the effects, for example, your account of Dust Release explains how actual dust is created instead of explaining the molecular nature of Dust Release. Thanks for reading my suggestion. --GoDai (talk) 08:13, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know anything about One Piece, but yes, something like a ball of light, though not always a ball, shape manipulation does exist in Naruto. I know effects and looks don't always go together. You mean the natures I proposed (the ones without an icon designed by ShounenSuki) or unconfirmed ones in general? Most of the known effects of confirmed natures can be explained by the reasoning on why basic element A plus basic element B make advanced element C. My best guess for Storm is that it was the least crazy thing Kishimoto could think for Water and Lightning, so he just mixed and matched the effects from both of them, Storm for me revolves around explosions. Boil's acidic nature comes from the fact acid corrodes, symbolically, it is a "burning water". Dust comes from Earth's solidness being made small from Wind's slicing, the effect carrying over to the targets of the techniques, the fragmentation of something resulting in the molecule related effects. I feel less comfortable speculating on Blaze because it's significantly different from other advanced natures, and it may involve Yin and Yang, of which we know next to nothing. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:04, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
I mean your speculative natures especially, but you should mention what you said for the already-existing natures, such as Dust being Wind slicing up the minerals in Earth into tinier molecules (I think the Wind would also create pressure in pulverizing targets). Although the names usually make sense, for example, if the name of Boil was Acid Release, it would have been hard for fans to imagine it being Water + Fire. So I think it's most likely your speculative natures may have other effects, possibly completely different from their names, but at the same time making sense in the case of chakra and its many properties.--GoDai (talk) 19:04, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
My tables are for unconfirmed elements and its compositions, so since Boil and Storm are pretty much confirmed, they're not there. I don't think that Water and Fire making Acid/Boil is hard, Boil already takes you to water and heat, so it isn't that much of a logical leap, but I'll expand by reasoning for Dust Release. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:42, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
Oh that's what I meant with Boil Release. If it wasn't named Boil Release in the first place, it wouldn't have made sense if Water + Fire = Acid. The name was created to make a connection between the components and the product.--GoDai (talk) 19:55, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Proof reading

I think Ash Release would probably be pronounced as Haiton instead of Kaiton. Pressure is Atsuryoku (圧力) and Pressure Release would most likely be pronounced as Atton. Otherwise, pretty good job on the Japanese there. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 00:15, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Yin an Yang

I gotta say, your table seems incredibly accurate. Just to throw out my opinion, for the elements such as Blaze, Darkness and Pressure, you can't really "combine" an element with itself. I think it's more likely that Yin/Yang acts as an enhancing element, and when combined with one of the original five, creates a stronger version of the element. So......Blaze would be Fire and Yin/Yang. Darkness would be Lightning and Yin/Yang. Pressure would be Wind and Yin/Yang. Steel would be Earth and Yin/Yang. And Light would be Water and Yin/Yang. But anyway, the table is great! Thanks! ZeusMino

  • I considered those as alternative theories, the only reason I considered putting an element with itself is because is some cases, such as Blaze and Steel, it fits. Every advanced nature is, or at least is supposed to be a kekkei genkai using the five basic natures. At first, I considered Blaze as Fire and Lightning, because it was the only thing that fit, but then came Steel, and the only thing left for Earth was Earth itself, so that's when I changed the current same element natures. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:42, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think you should mention Yin and Yang in the summary for the stronger versions table, because it is a possibility that Yin and Yang make elements stronger. Oh, and I get the Stronger versions, but I don't see the advanced natures having them. Vik0z0z (talk) 22:48, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

  • I thought about that, but since Blaze Release doesn't seem to have any Yin and Yang in it, as far as we can tell, I'm not playing that card just yet. Advanced natures having stronger counterparts just felt possible, everything could get stronger, Blaze is a stronger version for a nature manipulation, others should have it as well, basic and advanced alike. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:07, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

More than two elements combo

Is it me or noone has ever thought about combinations of more than two elements?

  • I was wondering about and they never said that only may be 2 elemennt in a combo. for exeple :wind+air+lightning= iron sand and maybe bigger part of one and smaller af the other may result in another element for exeple:a 3/4 of water and 1/4 of wind = buble releaseThe ultimate fan of NARUTO [[Welimer2]] (talk) 22:34, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
    • It might be possible, but since such a thing was never actually hinted on the manga, I'm not going down that path just yet. I'm a very "by the book" person, and the only things ever said about advanced natures is that they're made up from two basic natures. If Kishimoto-sensei decides to introduce three element advanced natures, well, I'm going to have a hard time making a table for three elements, not to mention a grid with three entries. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:39, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
      • When Yamato explained wood release (chapter 316 page 6), he said that he used earth in his right hand and water in his left, so mixing three or more elements might not be possible. Jacce | Talk 06:33, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
        • The only way I can see something like more than two elements combo would be someone pulling a Naruto and somehow using Shadow clones for extra elements. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 14:24, November 12, 2009 (UTC)
          • To Jacce it might be the Yamato case or just to explain to Naruto if he said that he was transforming half of his chakra in water and the another half in earth the fusing both into just one Naruto would make a face like"...uh..." The ultimate fan of NARUTO welimer2 22:02, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

But how would Haku use Wind and Water in each hand if he used the technique with one-handed seals? I think it is possible that each-hands-thing might only count for Wood Release.--GoDai (talk) 06:47, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • Haku's one handed technique was a Water Release, he used both hands for the mirrors. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:04, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Water + Water

I was thinking... flame is a more powerful type of fire... steel is a more powerful type of earth... so wut is a powerful form of liquid... and i though..Mercury.. liquid metal... and umm.. yeah.. wut do u think about it? 76.193.190.47 (talk) 22:54, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

  • Liquid metal is only related to water because it's liquid, Ocean was the thing that best fit what I imagined for water + water. Since the other forms of water were already taken by Han and Utakata, ocean, as in great quantity of water was the best I could come up with. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:08, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

It is possible for water and water to be a superfluid release. You can look it up on wikipedia. It has a relation to your shape release theory. I think superfluid in japanese would be 流動 (ryūdō)24.45.20.86 (talk) 18:20, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia and Google Translate both give me 超流体 (chō ryūtai). It seems that in Japanese, it's two words instead of one. Interesting idea though. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:44, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

do you think it is interesting enough to put on the table? 24.45.20.86 (talk) 19:02, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I think it would be ryūton 24.45.20.86 (talk) 19:06, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I'm still looking it up a bit, trying to see if I can picture actual ninjutsu using this nature. The things superfluids do, like creeping up and the like seems like something regular Water Release would do, since water was seen jumping to places. I'm looking for something more unique within superfluids, but it looks viable, I'll add it later. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:37, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

You know, maybe you're just thinking too hard about this. Blaze Release does nothing more special than Fire Release, it is just stronger. Maybe Water Release's more advanced form is the same. In that case, it would have a name that would simply remind one of powerful water. Something like Wave Release.
Wave Release, of course, would be perfect for Naruto. Not only would he have a nature that could stand a chance against Sasuke's Blaze Release, it would also combine with his Wind Release to form his father's family name: Namikaze - Waves and Wind. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 21:52, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
Superb idea. What would it be? Hiton or Haton? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:22, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Haton (波遁) --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 22:51, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

But I don't think Blaze Release is just a stronger Fire Release, but a way to "condense" flames (maybe just Amaterasu) into seemingly-solid shapes. When Sasuke was fighting Gaara, he was amazed that he had to use a Blaze Release technique (probably Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi) to block the Kazekage's attack.--GoDai (talk) 01:30, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

He could fire balls of Amaterasu at Gaara, ignite Susanoo's ribs and shape them into a shield around himself, and gather flames Amaterasu into one area and condense them into spikes.--GoDai (talk) 07:09, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Amaterasu itself has been stated to be a strong Fire Release, and it is only Blaze Release when its shape has been changed (which Itachi was incapable of), in my opinion. I know this has been mentioned several times, but I think the best explanation for Blaze Release is that it is Fire + Lightning, since they are the two natures Sasuke is capable of using, Amaterasu symbolizes "the Material World and Light", and the sun, which itself symbolizes light, heat, plasma, flares, radiation, etc. But that's just my opinion and I myself think that's just symbols.--GoDai (talk) 07:15, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't say it is Fire and Lightning fused. Amaterasu, and therefore all Blaze Release techniques stem from the Mangekyō Sharingan, which in turn stem from the regular Sharigan, which isn't a element combining kekkei genkai. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:31, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
But Would that mean Itachi was unable to use Blaze Release because he wasn't as skilled as Sasuke is now? Or is it because all Mangekyo Sharingan may have differing abilities depending on the user? --GoDai (talk) 18:15, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps even both. The moment Sasuke was able to use shape manipulation on Amaterasu, he was noted to be more gifted than Itachi. Also, Itachi was sick, we don't know how debilitated his abilities were. Maybe he was able to do such things and we never saw it. Taking into account how degraded his eyesight was when he fought Sasuke, I'd say that he simply didn't spam the Mangekyō like Sasuke is doing now. He had it for years, and the damage Sasuke has now is comparable to that of Itachi's, despite Sasuke having his for a shorter time. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:38, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I was just thinking, would Sasuke have named his new nature by himself, or would he have learned of Blaze Release off-screen, somewhere in an unknown sub-plot? Characters use a lot of techniques, which they may have named themselves...which means Sasuke might have been trying to look "cool" with his new "nature" which seems to be nothing different from shape transformation on a strong fire...--GoDai (talk) 19:35, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Sasuke naming the new nature, I think he's self-centered enough to do it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:15, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Water+water could be something related to living beings. Besides, what is essential to living beings? WATER dear pals WATER. And it could be water+ying-yang instead. So it would be Life Release. On the other hand, if it could create life, it would also destroy life. Sorry, long explanation. Sennoman (talk) 16:51, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

I think that is going a little too far, since although life itself needs water, but isn't like water itself. If there was a water + water, I would think it would be some sort of advanced liquid. Trees needs water, but Wood Release had earth as a requirement also, due to the minerals needed. It was stated Wood Release users literally use their chakra as a life source for the plant to feed upon. Wood Release itself manipulates tree cells, through the manipulation of their requirements, such as water, minerals, and "spark" of life.--GoDai (talk) 05:00, March 17, 2010 (UTC)

Stronger version

If we consider that Blaze and other same element combinations aren't actually combinations, but instead a stronger version of their basic nature, I've also put together what the "stronger version" of all other releases might be, those being the so far non same element combos (both confirmed ones such as wood, ice, lava, etc. and my main theories for unknown combinations, such as light and smoke). I won't be putting them here now because they still need more tweaking and researching of kanji, because they're a bit too fanon for my taste, and because I don't want to make yet another giant table. If you want to, ask here while the whole thing isn't ready. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:51, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

As it turned out, I'm way too much into nature transformation to let this go, so I sped this up and here it is. Feel free to correct any Japanese mistake, wiktionary has failed me before. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:58, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

I looked at what the site has to say about Yin/Yang transformation. If it's true that it has to do with altering the amounts of physical and mental energy in the chakra(as Shikamaru mentioned while fighting Tayuya), then it's possible that all the "stronger versions" of the normal chakra natures are simply those natures with much more physical energy than chakra. After all, if you think about it, a "blaze" is a very strong fire, and the english translation of it being "inferno style" confirms this. Therefore, it could very easily be a very physically strong fire release. I don't count the movie natures as canon, so I have no comments on - for example - the idea of "dark" being a stronger version of "lightning", although if I'm right, it would seem that that nature is more likely to be lightning release with high levels of mental energy, given that it can absorb and then release chakra from others.

So much for me having no comments on it.

In any case, I get the feeling that as soon as Yin/Yang transformation is explained in the manga, there will be quite a lot of new tables to work out.

Does anyone else think that that explanation might come pretty soon? Naruto's going to be getting a lot of training since he's one of the last two Jinchuriki, and Yamato and Kakashi had said that the explanation of Yin/Yang transformation would be for the next time, meaning they do intend to teach him about it.

Apologies for rambling.

Movie natures

i think you should add Wind and Lightning to the possible combinations list, since we are not counting th movie natures as canon. 24.45.20.86 (talk) 18:41, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I'm considering lightning and wind as swift until the manga gives us a more plausible nature. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:48, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

I know you hear me say this often, but you speculated sound as being related to Wind, and Lightning has been shown to be related to vibrations. I think something like a Sound Release (but probably with a cool symbolic name like "Roar Release" or something) would be produced between the two, manipulating air pressure and vibrations, and something related to the phenomenon of thunder although kaminari refers to both lightning and thunder.--GoDai (talk) 20:34, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Sound is an a Wind alternative theory akin to Blaze being a stronger fire for me. There is a relation, but Sound is too close to wind and air, it doesn't seem to require lightning to be sound. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 21:45, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Get There

How do you get to the article for this the recompsition table of what you think, can u tell me or have a link.Kouseki (talk) 19:05, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Liquid Release

I'd Like to offer a suggestion if thats okay. How about Water+Water is Liquid Release. As in being able to control all things Liquid or liquid like.--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 06:05, December 10, 2009 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan

Typhoon

Technically, Taiton would mean Great Release, and the other option is Futon, but that would mean Wind Release, so your "Great Release" would be improbable. 24.45.20.86 (talk) 21:47, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Technically it wouldn't. Since it is derived from the Japanese word taifū, there are two ways to write Taiton. One is with the kanji 台 (pedestal, tall building) and the other is with the kanji 颱 (typhoon). If it is ever used in manga, I'd say the latter option would be the more likely one to be used. --ShounenSuki (talk | contribs) 22:08, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Possible and Stronger Element Theories

I just want to say that your theories, as always, are amazing. I don't completely agree with the Wave one, but still, it has sense. Good job.--NejiByakugan360 23:52, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

  • Thanks. I think that my greatest accomplishment yet was to foresee vacuum techniques as part of Wind Release, even though it wasn't a new element. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:57, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Sand Release

Could you possibly try and put a Sand Release in there? Gaara and his tailed beast use Sand, and it is a long term speculation. The only problem is...the combination on Earth and Wind is already taken...--NejiByakugan360 16:18, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

  • I wouldn't list sand. It was never implied to be a nature manipulation, and the fact Gaara takes sand with him implies he can't generate sand, like we've seen shinobi generating the elements they use. If I had made this table before Dust Release was revealed, I would definitely have listed Sand as a wind and earth blend. Plus, the one named sand technique with an elemental name is Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud Great Breakthrough, linking it more to Wind Release than Earth Release. And to boot, Earth Release already has the most possible combinations, including Earth with itself, unless they introduce a concept that the ratio of elements used changes the blend, or maybe a Yin and Yang manipulation does something similar, I can't see sand being anything other than a tailed beast ability. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:38, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • But Rock Lee did note Gaara's ability to make sand out of soil using his own sand and pressure-based ability, although the sand was harder to control than his own chakra-infused desert sand. Earth Release is known to have a mud-based theme, usually transforming soil into mud (and maybe hardening it into a rock-like form, but not precisely rock). Also, although not as relevant, in a video game (I don't remember which one), an Earth Dragon Bullet can be formed using Gaara's sand with Kisame or Suigetsu's Water Dragon Bullet, hinting Earth Release is manipulation of moist/wet soil(mud), and Gaara/Shukaku's sand manipulation is manipulation of dry soil(sand). --GoDai (talk) 03:12, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
      • What I mean is that Gaara can't make it out of nowhere. Sure, Gaara can use the soil to make sand, but he can't make sand appear out of nowhere. Hiruzen was able to spit mud, he created earth. Gaara never did something like that. Gaara's only way to get more sand is either to take regular sand, or create it by harvest minerals from the soil. He can't just spit sand. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:22, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
        • Then is there a term such as chakra-infusion? Ink, Paper, Bones (Calcium), and other jutsu (many of which seem similar to chakra natures, but are likely not) are used by infusing the substances with chakra, then manipulating it. Would this be a form of simple Shape Manipulation? (Most of these techniques seem unique to the user though)--GoDai (talk) 00:36, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
          • I don't know if this would count as shape manipulation, but it is the sort of infusing chakra and manipulating things with it, Deidara did say that Gaara's sand was enhanced with his chakra. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:58, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
            • Didn't Gaara spit sand in his jinchuriki form with Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud Great Breakthrough? Or was that the sand inside the gourd that fused with him to form Shukaku's shape?--GoDai (talk) 01:20, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
              • The amount of sand on him during the transformation did increase, but I believe that's because Shukaku was getting more control over Gaara. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:24, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
                • So he didn't turn his chakra into sand, right? In Gaara's Jinchuriki form, does his sand fuse onto the outside and inside of his body to form Shukaku's shape?--GoDai (talk) 06:11, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
                  • I think that when he's in those forms, the amount of sand increases because Shukaku starts taking over his body, kinda like how flesh and bones of the Nine-Tails start to form on Naruto in his latter forms. In Shukaku's case, sand appearing to form his body instead of raw chakra. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 15:31, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
                    • So in the Two-Tails case, it's blue fire? Would sand and fire still be infused with chakra to form an "chakra coat"? --GoDai (talk) 18:18, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
                      • I'd say so, from the little we saw on the Two-Tails, that would be my guess. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:38, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

So Shukaku had wind nature, while sand was not an element. Two-Tails wasn't fire nature, right? And Three-tails wasn't water nature or was it? --GoDai (talk) 06:44, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

  • Not as far as I could tell. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:20, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
    • When Tobi complained to Deidara about the Three-Tails being a Water-type and that Kisame should be on that job, he wasn't saying it was water-natured, was it? --GoDai (talk) 04:45, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
      • I think he meant that the Three-Tails was an aquatic creature, a turtle. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:10, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

3 Way

Since ninja with the correct bloodlines can make new elements with 2 releases how about 3 releases into one (like Water, Fire, and Wind) and. Or mixing already made advanced chakra with simpler chakra (Like Wood, and Fire). Or even 2 different advanced releases(Wood and Ice for example).--Nintendo-Fan (talk) 21:58, January 23, 2010 (UTC)Nintendo-Fan

Naming

Seeing the confirmed canon advanced natures so far, it seems that Masashi Kishimoto is planning to name all the natures as "traditional" as possible. Storm was actually more like light ("laser circus"), Blaze was controlling the shapes of Amaterasu (maybe symbolizing Light, Heat, Sun, or Plasma), Boil was not just steam, but it was a corrosive, acidic vapour, and Dust was crushing things into molecule-sized dust (although its abilities have not been fully confirmed or revealed, it was not called Molecule Release)--GoDai (talk) 03:51, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

So therefore I don't think an advanced nature would have a name like Radiation, Plasma, Pressure, Magnetism, Acid, Velocity, or Laser.
Dust Release abilities were slightly explained in the second Fanbook. Boil isn't very traditional, nor is Storm or Dust, and nonetheless, they're there. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:22, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
I understand, but the theme seems like "what japanese people (maybe ninjas) would have known in the old days" to me. They would have known the concepts of boil, storm, and dust, even though the effects of the jutsu weren't very traditional (for example, Storm does not control actual storms). I think the rule is "Traditional name, but modern sci-fi effect". GoDai (talk)
We've seen survailance cameras, refrigerators and TVs, but no fire arms. Orochimaru did genetic engeneering research. They have some technology, and it seems natural they'd have some knowledge on some stuff. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:58, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but I'm just thinking the names of Natures are made around things actual ninja would have known, not ninjas in Naruto. Considering their technology, the word Storm doesn't seem to be the best way to describe the effects of Storm Release.--GoDai (talk) 07:43, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

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