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Dance of the Shikigami

In regards to your edit on Dance of the Shikigami, I don't think you get it she was never said to be invulnerable at any point in time; the paper is still her body. Madara absorbing her in paper form or someone burning all the paper up would kill her. I think you're confusing it because it often seems like she's expending her body parts for attacks.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 15:10, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

I understand that it's very likely if an attack destroys all the papers, then she's gone. But we really can't be very sure of that assumption. It was never explicitly stated, nor established, although it was implied. Remember I originally explained the whole phenomenon as relating to her losing her "intact" portion. But then after looking into it thoroughly, I figured that there could be other reasons. And the one you're giving, could be one of them. But when you have more than one fitting-explanation for a phenomenon, then it's best to regard all the explanations as speculations. And that's why i turned down on my own initial suggestion. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't mention the fact that the technique has some vulnerabilities. It was clearly established that it has some, but we can never say complete with full confidence what it is since there are more than one explanations that could fit into the picture. That's why i decided to mention that it has some vulnerabilities without being specific, but still state the context in which that vulnerability was shown. it's the best way to address this issue without jumping the gun.
Also you should be more discreet with the way you handle discussions and editing. You have a bad habit of not assessing the discussion properly before jumping to action, like your reply to my first post on this topic.
Here is the sentence I added to the page. Read it again and you will see that it addresses the issue without including any of the speculations we suggested: However, during her battle with Madara, it was shown that this technique has some vulnerabilities when he attempted to warp all the papers into another dimension--Newestman (talk) 15:45, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
You have a bad habit of not assessing the discussion properly before jumping to action--Newestman (talk) 16:22, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Firstly, I should say I never saw this> People tend not to write on their own talk pages when responding to someone and with the exception of one person here I don't know to look out for it from anyone else.

That being said, you still don't get that what you're putting into the article is an assumption you're making based off the notion that you have that the technique makes her invulnerable in some way. I cannot recall any point in time where it was said or even remotely implied in any way that she was invulnerable to attacks or anything like that so you need to provide reference for it so that I can see it. As for her remaining in tact I have tried explaining that to you to whatever ends I'm not sure.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 17:21, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

read chapter 509 again. I shouldn't be the one to tell you that. You should've checked it yourself to know if it's supported in the manga. Read Konan's statement before she attempted to sneak in explosive tags, and then read Madara's statement after the attack failed.Newestman (talk) 21:16, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
I don't need you to tell me to read a chapter that I've read more than once. Referencing something includes giving a page number and a specific example about what you're talking about. I asked you to show me where it is implied that she was invulnerable in that form and you present Konan attempting to suicide bomb Madara? How is that in any way an example of it being implied that she was invulnerable? --Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 21:32, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
that's just one part of the things i told you to check. did you check for the second?Newestman (talk) 21:38, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Oh dear, we're discussing invulnerability yes? Your addition→ "Also her papers are expendable, including parts of her body converted to paper; and how much paper she can expend depends on her chakra reserve. However, during her battle with Madara, it was shown that this technique has some vulnerabilities when he attempted to warp all the papers into another dimension." Right there you say however as if it was said in the article that she was invulnerable.

  • Konan: "I'll slip in some explosive tags and drag you to hell with me" — Meaning she knew she would die when the paper exploded.
  • Madara after failed suicide attempt: "It seems you were planning to explode the moment I swallowed you and take me with you but you failed. I was too quick for you and swallowed the whole explosion. Though you did manage to injure me. But thanks to me you're still alive you should be grateful. Is this the extent of your secret plan?" — Madara confirms the fact that Konan intended to kill both him and herself with the explosion.

But all of this proves nothing in your favour. My question to you still stands: Where was it stated that she was invulnerable while using the Dance of the Shikigami technique? That's all I need to know because it's never been mentioned or even remotely implied (no the chapter you pointed to doesn't prove anything) that she was you assume that she's invulnerable because she's made out of paper. If you want it to stay provide an exact chapter, page, quotation and state your point explicitly or else i'll continue to remove it because it's unsupported and false information.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 22:21, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

You are right. What gave me the idea of the vulnerability was because of Madara's initial move to absorb her. For some reason I've approached the whole issue with the notion that Madara must know all about Konan's ability and it's weaknesses.I was wrong to assume that, which in turn affected my whole view on the issue. And it also makes sense since that second sentence didn't add up with the preceding sentence. Sorry for putting you through too much trouble.--Newestman (talk) 22:35, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
It's fine.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol 22:42, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
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