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Hey I'm not the one who do that! It's Kurenaisarutobi. Check her Special:Contributions/Kurenaisarutobi. What I do on the page is to tag it for deletion. And please create a new section because I'm having a hard time to find it! Ilnarutoanime (Talk-Contribs.-Images) 08:38, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Stop making archives and posting to the main page.
I report it to an admin, that user will be blocked.
That's alright! Next time use the History page. She is underage maybe she don't understand such things. She's blocked until she become 13, (2015) by an admin. --Ilnarutoanime26 (Talk-Contribs.-Links) 10:46, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
RE. Fact changing
He became a chunin at 10, half a year later he became an Anbu, Half a year after that he killed Shisui and gained the Mangekyo Sharingan, which makes him 11, then The third managed to postpone his S-rank Massacre Mission for a few years, He then becomes an Anbu Captain at 13, sometime immediately following that he kills his clan then flees Konoha. So it is a fact. It has been talked about and agreed upon ItachiWasAHero (talk) 21:45, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
Gaara, Temari and Kankuro
- Does ShounenSuki actually own the real databook? Because if he relied off of the online scans whether they seemed raw or not then he got one thing wrong, Temari is 158.3 cm in Databook 2.
Re: I have a question for you
I own the actual databooks. There is no doubt that Temari was 159.3cm when she was 16. I could even show you a high-quality scan if you'd like. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 23:15, June 1, 2011 (UTC)
- Here are her second databook stats ^^ —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 00:06, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you ShounenSuki, One more thing I need cleared up is Shino's Databook 2 Height, I'm almost positive this wiki has it right, but I saw a databook 2 scan online and I dont know if it was tampered with but it claims, from what i remember, that he was 161.3 cm at 13. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:10, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
I hate to bother you, but on Shizune, Jiraiya, Sakura, and Tsunade's databook entrys are the heights they are given with their tall sandals on or without the tall sandals? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 00:16, June 2, 2011 (UTC)
Re: On Your Character Particulars
To tentens page and the such and so on? The Hero Book states quite a few people a number age younger than databook 3 states them, so its easy to see they were all younger until 6 months later when they were all a number age older and sasuke betrays orochimaru and such. So common sense, tells you, if sakura, was 15, temari was 18, kankuro was 17, and naruto and gaara were 15 and kakashi was 29 then its safe to say everybody was all younger, until sasuke vs orochimaru, remember it is a tad over 6 months from the beginning of shippuden to the day sasuke betrays orochimaru. So it is a FACT that everyone was younger, for example narutos age group was 15 and a half when shippuden started, neji's age group was 16 and a half. So I am right that they were all younger in the beginning of shippuden. Chek there number ages and birth months and days then check what I just said, you will see i am generally right. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:08, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Also the manga states "about 2 and a half years" and then after that they just simplify it to 2 years for awhile so its actually a bit less than 2 and a half years but almost 2 and a half years after part 1 of Naruto, and at the end of part one of naruto, naruto's age group was 13. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:23, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Please don't use the Talk page of Narutopedia's home page, for things unrelated to the home page. SimAnt 18:50, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
ItachiWasAHero (talk) 13:39, July 24, 2011 (UTC) That issue has already been brought to light, and I wasn't signed in when I made that response. Thanks anyway.
Re: I just confirmed something interesting.
Your reasoning is sound, but I still cannot simply agree with you. The dates and times stated in the manga are simply not definite enough to be this exact. You're taking the statements of 'three years' for Orochimaru's body transfer, 'two and a half years' for the time skip, and 'half a year' for Sai's statement as exactly that long, but it could easily be 'three years and 2 months', 'two years and five months', and 'seven months'. None of the statements are necessarily exact. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 20:03, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- The one thing it does confirm is that every character in Shippuden was younger then they were in Databook 3 until around the time Sasuke betrays Orochimaru. Also, your right there is no exact timeline which is why its safe to make the timeline go by years only, besides births and confirmed events by month there should be no other month listings in the timeline, although I think that's already how you have it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:44, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Height listings for some characters from Shippuden Character Reference's
You might want to make a forum for this to see how the other editors feel about including those numbers. As they're from the anime, they're already not canon, but even within anime continuity they might not necessarily be canon, given that they're merely character sheets. They're meant to give a rough indication of how a character should be drawn, not to give background details on the character. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 20:06, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- I believe Sakura's extra centimeter in height because of her shoes should just be noted in her appearance section and the only other heights that should even be considered for addition to the wiki is Hiruko, Moegi, Udon, and Matsuri's as Kisame's height is contradicted by Databook 3's height listing. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 22:49, September 3, 2011 (UTC)
- The thickness of the soles Sakura's shoes is really rather pointless, especially since they aren't all that unusually thick.
- As for the heights, the fact that there are contradictions in the first place means the data is unreliable. It's made even more unreliable because we don't have any actual images for most of the heights. I really don't think we can use this information as any more than trivia points. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 01:31, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
I'd love to translate those sentences for you, but I'd have to know where you got them from in the first place. Are they from the third databook or something? —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 14:50, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yes sir, on the part where it shows the evolution in stats for Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke. I don't know what page it is but its the page that shows the increases in the stats between the end of Part 1 Volume 27 and by the end of part 2, Volume 43. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:59, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
- There, I finished translated the entire article. you can find it here ^^ —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 12:27, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
Earlier I read you had wrote somewhere, possibly the Mizukages page, asking for another place to read manga aside from the popular Mangastream.
This is another good site :)
Hope it helps if you still needed it.
Re: I hope I'm not being a pest.
I remember it being said that Sasuke's Sharingan had more potential than Itachi's, but that's about it. I remember Neji being called a genius, but that's about it. You'll have to give me some sources for those statements if you want a good answer. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 19:08, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Chapter 79, Page 16. Chapter 80, Page 4. Chapter 99, Page 19. Chapter 101, Page 8, 12. Chapter 103, Page 4.
Zetsu explained Sasuke was more skilled with the sharingan when he defeated Tsukuyomi with only his 3 tomoe seal sharingan and we already know Itachi, then Orochimaru, then Madara in order, have said that sasuke's eyes have more potential then Itachi. So more skill than itachi with the sharingan, plus more potential than Itachi with the sharingan, plus countering his every genjutsu and seeing through every jutsu he used, and his eyes were compared to Madara's at only the age of 15 makes me think Sasuke is the Peak Uchiha. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:07, September 24, 2011 (UTC)
Re: I have a question.
I don't have all my full-chapter translations posted together somewhere. I've done way too few of them for that with way too much time between them. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 19:10, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
I got them from here, all of them in raw. I used 7zip to get them extracted.
- ah, thank you very much! :D I think you need an account for uploading on megaupload... Seelentau 愛議 08:23, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry I haven't replied sooner, I hadn't had the time to look over those raws yet. Unfortunately I seem to already have everything useful from that list. Thanks any way. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 10:10, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Oh ok cool. But wait.. So you have the HeroBook in raw already? I thought you told me once you needed it to fully translate it as it had never been fully translated before? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:18, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
Please quit adding your speculative Rinnegan statements to the articles. It is currently unknown and we'll wait for an official statement in the manga. Thank you. Skitts (talk) 03:44, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
Re: Nagato's title
While I'm not into speculations/theories that much. I believe it could simply be chalked up to Orochimaru being seriously angered after being passed over for the Hokage-ship. Not too sure if he had a vision for the village, or even wanted to be a part of it after he was "wronged". As such destroying the village, would allow him and Danzō to both get what they wanted- two birds, one stone. Though it's not add worthy as it's just speculation.--Cerez365™(talk) 02:40, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
- I sincerely doubt Orochimaru has ever been loyal to anything or anyone other than himself. He doesn't want the same Konoha as Danzō, he just wants destruction and chaos. —ShounenSuki (talk | contribs | translations) 14:57, April 25, 2012 (UTC)
Except you know movies shouldn't be taken for reference, they aren't canon. Also it takes a whole year to pass a class at least. Databook says Kakashi graduated the academy at 5 so he had to attend it since 4. Another reason why your "almost" approach doesn't work is because we do not know the exact month of year when the opening ceremony takes place nor when a school year ends. For example if it starts/ends even a day before his x birthday, he would be 1 year younger, if on the same day as his birthday or later, he would be 1 year older. Also you can't use real-life time as a reference for your calculations either, figure it's May in here but January in Narutoverse? Could you please provide your approach for calculations? I don't see much logic in it, no offense, perhaps enlighten me please. We should use Narutoverse events for reference. Right, Kakashi was already 14 when Naruto was born. The war had ended circa a year before that event and Itachi was 4 then while 5 when Obito attacked. So Naruto's birth marks circa 5 years after Kakashi Gaiden and Obito was 13 when crushed by boulders. This means it can't be 2 years and 7 months because during some months of the year, there's 4 year difference between them, wouldn't be possible with your math.--Elveonora (talk) 10:43, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
So are you suggesting Kakashi graduated in a year but Rin and Obito didn't? They were shown entering the academy together and taking chunin exams too. I still don't understand, excuse me. Could you please write it up as a timeline? Like "x even x character age" etc. Thank you. I'm not saying you are wrong and me correct, but again this is the way I see it. Kakashi graduated from Academy at 5 and became Chunin at 6 while taking the same exams as Obito and Rin, meaning they must have graduated with him too while being 4 years older. Obito and likely Rin too failed the exams once as 10 years old (when Kakashi was 6 and succeed) but managed to do it a year later (Kakashi 7) Then Obito "died" at 13 meaning Kakashi was 9. Sorry for repeating myself--Elveonora (talk) 20:28, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
Your math works, but the numbers are wrong, according to it, Kakashi had to wait 3 times for the two of them to catch up, you know that it's just wrong, right? 10-months let's say (an academy year) for them to graduate, then they failed Chunin Exams at 9 when he was 6, also had to fail at 10 when he was 7 and managed to do it at 11 when he was 8. The problem is, nothing in manga suggests him waiting for his classmates and shows Obito failing Chunin Exams only once, not twice. Obito had to be 13 years and 5 months old for Kakashi to turn 11 during the war, that's also ok. Except he is 3 years 7 months older, you are somehow loosing a whole year somewhere.
Let's see, we can use an Academy year having 10 months but works with 12 too when their ages are altered accordingly:
- Kakashi 5 years 0 months, Obito 8 years 7 months (academy entrance)
- Kakashi still 5 years but 10 months graduates.
- Obito is 9 years 5 months old, also graduates with him.
- Months later, Chunin Exams.
- Kakashi at 6 years 5 months old becomes Chunin, Obito at 10 fails.
- Kakashi 7 years 5 months, Obito 11 Chunin succeeds.
- Kakashi 9 years 5 months old becomes Jounin, Obito "dies" at 13.
The fact that there are 2 exams per a year is completely irrelevant, it actually supports him being 9 even more but ok. The chapter shouldn't be referenced much since it's full of errors. Anko is 27 years old and she graduated Academy at 10, yet she was at Chunin Exams when Kakashi was 6, thus she herself being about 3? 0_0 Another thing is Hayate shouldn't ABSOLUTELY have been there--Elveonora (talk) 10:15, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
Current time Anko is 28 and Hayate would of been 27. Naruto went from 12 in Databook 1 to 16 in databook 3, no reason why Anko wouldn't age 4 years now right... meaning she is only 2 years younger than Kakashi, and Hayate is only 3 years younger than Kakashi. Either way those 2 being in chapter 599 is an error for sure, so is Minato's Stone face. But that is where the errors END in that chapter, the rest fits in right, and works with the proof I presented ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:37, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
A non-canon movie that Kishimoto had nothing to do with isn't much in favor of your evidence, the databooks make it clear there's 3 years 7 months difference, thus 5 months in a year, Obito is 4 years older than Kakashi is.--Elveonora (talk) 11:52, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
My age is irrelevant, but perhaps since you are such an expert at deciding how old characters are, try to calculate that one as well. The reason why I deleted it is because that topic doesn't belong here. Not only you are presenting something as fact without enough evidence, you are making a forum topic of it, no one is interested, are you not getting it? Even Seelentau told you that you are wrong, do you need more people to tell you that so you get it? First, again explain from where are you getting 2 years 7 months, I have already presented to you that it's wrong because it doesn't fit at all.--Elveonora (talk) 21:25, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
The age stuff again
Bingo! you are a wise folk after all ItachiHero, that was the point all along, looking at databooks there's over 3 (almost 4) years difference, it's pointless trying to explain chapter 599 since it's flawed, I bet the author himself doesn't have an answer for that ._. --Elveonora (talk) 11:22, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
There's no reason to do a timeline related to Obito anymore, with all current information he is 33-34, it matters not in what month the exams took place, it matters more which month it is currently in Naruto, rather.--Elveonora (talk) 12:40, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
The only info that supports Obito being 33-34 is the grad age numbers, but ONLY if you look at those alone. That's it. Chapter 599 and the Databooks Registration Numbers and Number Ages, combined with Grad Ages support Obito being 32-33 current time, I just don't understand why you don't see that Elve.. it's a mystery to me. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 15:33, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
No, I'm certain Suki Sensei would have told you the same thing. We simply don't know if chap. 599 is a retcon or errors, if the former, then possibly the grad. and prom. ages or even how old characters are may have been retconned, thus it isn't safe to base any evidence on that.--Elveonora (talk) 15:54, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Only the face was fixed, Hayate and Anko stayed, and THAT'S why we don't know if it's a retcon or he mistook again and hasn't noticed those 2 "errors" or if he did it purposely and it's a retcon. That's why for what we know, next Databook may change Kakashi's Chunin age to 10--Elveonora (talk) 16:08, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Also as you can see, there are more inconsistencies than Hayate as Anko, Ebisu, Genma, Ibiki, Guy, Kurenai. So please, stop spamming the wikia with these topics, I'm not saying you are wrong so don't be angry. Be mature, I bet you are intelligent enough so it should show, hopefully you won't continue in this behavior. I'm not saying your evidence and math are flawed, cause you did them right, it's because they are based on questionable material. The former material that WORKS should do for now. It matters not if you find a girl having crush on 9 years old buy stupid/weird or not, THAT IS a bias my dear ;D--Elveonora (talk) 16:19, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Now that I understand what you mean, that you understand my argument I won't need to post anymore about that. Now we are just waiting for databook 4. You know what else hasn't shown up yet? Shippuden OST 3. What the hell is going on. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:27, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, both Kishi and anime composers are late. But on topic, I thought I have made it clear enough already that I understand what you are talking about. That's why I'm surprised you are still going around with this. I remember you admitting "yeah, we wait for databook 4" many times before already, yet you have brought this up again and again nevertheless.--Elveonora (talk) 16:33, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
Re: I need your help
To be honest, I could not care less about this age issue. Databook says he was nine, we mention nine in his article; it's as simple as that to me. What I have an issue with is you changing the information in the article based on your assumption. Please do not do that, find some other medium such as a talkpage to add it. I'm assuming that the user you mentioned, removed the information because it looked like speculation/forum-like content.--Cerez365™(talk) 14:15, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
Chuunin Exam info
I saw what you had posted on Elv's talk page, and thought I might be able to introduce myself into the convo, as well, lol. I do hope you do not mind. The general idea seems to be that three newly graduated genin are given a Jounin team leader. So as far as any teams being makeshift (the major ones), I do not believe that is the case. However, that doesn't mean any minor teams did not consist of them (makeshift teams). Sakura, for instance, became chuunin without Naruto and Sasuke present. I believe from that we can draw a conclusion that she was put in a three man cell with two other people. One could also assume she wasn't in any team during the second exam, but the entire premise of the chuunin exam and being chuunin is about leading a squad, so it wouldn't make sense for Sakura to have taken it completely alone. Her leadership skills and ability to cooperate with other people in a team would be completely moot had she taken it alone. I guess a tl;dr would be: Yes, in theory, people can form temporary teams to take the chuunin exam, Konoha 11 teams were not temporary; and no, people cannot take it alone. (All speculation, of course)--Taynio (talk) 14:33, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
Please stop using the wiki as a soapbox for your attempts to establish a timeline of the series. The discussions you start, such as this, will never end with anything more than speculation and therefore will never benefit the wiki. ~SnapperTo 07:52, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
He killed Shisui, got MS and joined Akatsuki when he was 11, became an ANBU captain and massacred the clan at 13, that's long established from back when ShounenSuki was still here--Elveonora (talk) 13:27, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
The Calender photo was from episode 3, 2 minutes 11 seconds (give or take a second or two) in. It was a pain to get that photo as it was only shown for a brief moment. However, in light of the Calendar being shown it does give the series a more believable starting date. I mean come on, I don't care how freaking good someone is, you don't nominate them to become a Chuunin, which means leading missions and teaching at the Academy (though the latter is optional), with only three months of Shinobi experience. Even if Kakashi probably didn't expect them to pass it wouldn't have been a very good move it that was so. Most people assume they were only Shinobi for 3 months because of the Japanese school year ending at the end of March and beginning in April. I followed that logic too until I caught glimpse of the calendar when re-watching some old episodes for the sake of nostalgia and inspiration for fanfiction writing. Establishing a timeline in the Narutoverse is about as big of a pain as trying to figure out what freaking animals the ANBU masks are supposed to represent when they do not call one of them by their code name!--Freewolf17 (talk) 17:47, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
Re: talk page additions removed
If you are referring to you most recent edits on Tobirama's talk page and now on Narutopedia (that's not what the main talk page is for by the way) I was the one who removed it. A discussion was taking place on the flying thunder god technique article, had you contributed there it would've been fine, your i told you so comment on a discussion that had died a month prior was unnecessary.--Cerez365™(talk) 02:13, July 7, 2013 (UTC)
Do not make personal attacks against other users, even if they are beginning to get under your skin. If you have a problem with a specific user that you think needs administration review, contact me or one of the other sysops, but acting like you did on that talk page was uncalled for. This is a community effort, and people will disagree with you sometimes. I realize that sometimes this can rub you the wrong way and make you angry, but you can't let that stuff get personal. This is a warning. Cut it out. If I notice Elve doing the same, I'll mention it to him, but so far, I haven't seen that kind of language directed towards you (by him), so I'm addressing the matter with you. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 06:15, July 10, 2013 (UTC)
Hi, where exactly did you get those characters heights from? I don't recall any of them that you added before from the recent Pierrot blog articles. I remember that I saw some of the main characters design by Pierrot before a couple of months ago. So could you provide me the sources from Pierrot Settei that you bring them up (not Imageshack)? Thanks and may I help you for that. (Contact) 11:45, July 15, 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks so much. (Contact) 14:37, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
- Just a request, I recently found some characters settei on the internet that you don't be included by you like Three-Tails Arc characters, Sukui and some of the Konoha History Arc filler characters. Also, it seems that you couldn't add the heights of some character whom you have settei on your gallery like Omoi, Samui, Gold and Silver Brothers and Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist because they aren't so clear to see, right? Hopefully I might help you when the new settei will be released in the future. (Contact) 23:47, July 16, 2013 (UTC)
You did? Cool, send me the links and I will upload them to the library. Also thanks, the settei's are like secondary official sources for height listings so they are actually essential if you think about it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:32, July 17, 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, it's been a long time. Sorry, I was quite busy ... Excuse me, some of your collection of settei have low quality and it's hard to read the heights from it. If you have a better quality of them, could you inform me about it? Thanks so much :) (Contact) 21:11, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
Re: Tsunade about Kabuto
- That's most likely a mistranslation. I'll translate it tomorrow, just to be sure. Seelentau 愛議 22:03, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
Ten Tailed Fox is not the one forbidding you from continuing discussion regarding Itachi's age. I am. And my reason is simple: you've been bringing it up over and over and over again and have not accomplished anything. Literally. Two years ago you started with the same basic argument and evidence, and your argument and evidence have a) not improved, and b) not benefited the wiki in any way, shape, or form. It boggles my mind why you continue to beat this dead horse.
And so, there aren't going to be any more discussions about it. Because they don't go anywhere and they devolve into name-calling. I've explained this before, warned you to the same purpose, and so now I'm warning you again: stop disrupting the wiki with this pointless topic. Pick some other Naruto forum on the internet and talk in circles to your heart's content, please. But you will not do it here. ~SnapperTo 04:13, October 23, 2013 (UTC)