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much better now! ;) (talk) 16:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

hey am I blocked now? your answer to this would be your 4k edit! :D79.223.68.89 (talk) 18:22, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re: a dumb question

It is a word in Japanese. It's a word that is rarely used outside of fiction. You can see a few topics, including a very long topic about it at Hiden's talk page. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Elveonora, I just wanna to say that sorry about my edits. From now, Im gonna to mark them as minor edit. Greetings. Leo Hatake (talk) 16:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re: With all due respect

Could you please stop addressing Fox's person directly all the time? This has nothing to do with me so I'm sorry for sticking nose into matters I'm not involved in, but it's getting awkward seeing you making it personal quite often. Take it elsewhere, it's kinda childish and this happens since him getting sysop rights.

  1. I'm not making it personal, he is by constantly being aggressive with all my edits on this wiki.
  2. I'm not going to take it elsewhere, because this is an issue on this wiki and I want all users to see it. I haven't removed or asked other users to take their issues with me elsewhere have I ?
  3. I dislike him because of the fact he requested and got sysop permissions which is quite the opposite of how you are meant to get them. You get them by proving that you are a good editor, you don't get them just by asking. That is, in fact, completely against the Wikia's ideals as well.

I keep addressing him because he's the one making a big deal out of my concerns. I am making an opinion and he just takes apart my posts, misquotes words and takes everything I say out of context. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't keep doing this. --Speysider Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 21:08, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for addressing that, Elve. Not to worry, I have a handle on the situation. If he continues with this, I'll simply take it to the other admins, or deal with it myself.~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 21:37, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
Meh, I'm laid back about things. I honestly don't have a problem with him. He's a productive editor. Anyone can see that. I don't know why he has a problem with me, and even if he does, he shouldn't drag the others into it. And yeah, I go inactive for times, and then get really active for times. I usually log on here when the new chapter come out, make my edits, and then log off. Occasionally, I'll make other edits, but I do like to contribute to the debates and discussions. Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end. He'll come around hopefully, and if he doesn't, I'll just drop it. No need to keep senseless arguments going. But again, thanks for your concern ^^ ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 21:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re: creepy throat snake no jutsu

If you feel one is necessary and the article can support it sure.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 20:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Re: leaf village stuff

Or, you could add it and if it needs work, it'll be worked on~ --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 12:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hidan's Eternal Youth

That's not the point. It's hard to say it but I found this webpage that features Hidan having eternal youth due to being immortal. If you don't believe me here is the webpage link.

If you look below and look in the known user box, Hidan's name is in it. Also, eternal youth is under the "Variation" section.

And if you look the known user box in the eternal youth page, Hidan's name is also in it.

--Jon825lazery7 (talk) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)User talk:Jon825lazery7--Jon825lazery7 (talk) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: thank you,

Seeing that discussion sparked in my memory that we had those. Felt double-stardardish to refuse adding those names when I recalled there being some names of that nature. I got all I remembered down. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hayate filler

Anyway It would be good next episode the episode may even expand on his relationship with yugao his girlfriend --User:Jmootam1999Allied Shinobi Forces SymbolLoves Naruto 23:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Haha your crazy haha shikamaru would be like what kurenai had It with hayate haha--User:Jmootam1999Allied Shinobi Forces SymbolLoves Naruto 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Re: immortality question

In theory, yes. Biological immortality does exist in the form of immortalised cell cultures such as HeLa and Jurkat cells. There's a jellyfish which can be biologically immortal through changing back to an immature form, but in nature ends up perishing either to disease or predation. Hydra have something similar going on, but they don't know how telemore restoration works with their constant cellular division. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

FairyTail Fanon wiki

Hey could you please join FairyTaill Fanon wiki please, It's new and I need Admins who can develop the wiki really well please join -- Nature Icon Yin–YangJmootam1999Nature Icon Yin–Yang 09:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: how you

Yeah, I wonder how Madara could survive after his battle with Hashirama and also how he could find the Gedo statue to bring the supply of his life until he met Obito. Perhaps he awakened his Rinnegan at that time to allow himself to control the life as he desire. And maybe Itachi was right about most of Madara's theories that you talked about, but I think we'll know more of Madara's flashbacks very soon. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Re: chapter 626

I don't have access to the chapters 625 and 626 yet. Mangahead is seemingly having some problems with the Naruto raws and I don't have any other raw source. Seelentau 愛 17:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Uh, I don't know what Genjutsu sound words look like, but I don't see anything that would stand out. Seelentau 愛 16:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
Nope, the sound effect ザ za stands for whoosh or such, describing strong, energetic movement of the rain, in this case. Seelentau 愛 17:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Forum talk

The ones who knew her as his mother aren't the ones who would be crazy on killing him (for being Minato's son), are they?~ UltimateSupreme 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Doesn't seem that kind of a person... Hiruzen must have decieded so only after accurately measuring the pros and cons (?)~ UltimateSupreme 16:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Hashirama's scar

Did you noticed in the recent chapter that Hashirama's scar on his nose bridge in the Hokage Monument isn't exist? Of course we're talking about the recent timing. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 14:18, April 10, 2013 (UTC)

FTG Slash

Hey man , is it true that Minato says Tobi has better space time ninjutsu than him and the Second ? If so, what chapter ? Im starting to get a little confused as to what things suggest it's Space time ninjutsu (other than the name), could you clear this up for me ? (maybe give me some reasons ? ahaha)Thanks --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 12:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Ok cool , what chapter did you say ? ahhaha "50x" ? :p I dont really understand. Sorry for being pedantic, I just dont recall this part about the Second ! --Keep Calm And Call Kakashi (talk) 13:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Hayate filler arc

Unfortunately, no info available yet for that. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 19:21, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Obito and Kakashi's Age Difference.

Obito is 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi, Kakashi took only 1 year to graduate to Genin, he was still 5, he was almost 7 when he became a Chunin, and freshly 11 when he became a Jonin. Obito was 9 when he became a Genin, after a short time he and Rin took the Chunin exams with Kakashi and him and Rin lost, Kakashi who was almost 7 years old passed becoming a Chunin. Obito was 16years and 8 months when he attacked the village and Kakashi was 14years and 25 days, this was on the day of Naruto's birth which was 10/10/1996 as a figurehead.

Use this site to do the date differences and you will see that he is not 3 years 7 months and 5 days older than Kakashi but in fact 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi.

Obito to current date From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980 To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 33 years, 2 months, 28 days excluding the end date

Kakashi to current date From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982 To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 30 years, 7 months, 23 days excluding the end date

Naruto to current date From and including: Thursday, October 10, 1996 To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013 16 years, 6 months, 28 days excluding the end date

The earliest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982 To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989 6 years, 4 months, 26 days excluding the end date

Obito on that day From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980 To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989 9 years excluding the end date

The latest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982 To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989 6 years, 11 months, 30 days excluding the end date

Obito on that day From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980 To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989 9 years, 7 months, 4 days excluding the end date ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Oh and in the Lost Tower Movie they went back 20 years before current time Naruto date setting so Kakashi's age of 30 years, 7 months, 23 days becomes 10 years, 7 months, 23 days and his data file in the movie said he was a Chunin at that time so it fits right in to all of this ItachiWasAHero (talk) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)

Yamato was 6 years 8 months 28 days and a Chunin too at that time, but he wasn't shown in the movie except for his current self. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 02:59, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Btw I used 1996 for Naruto and Sasuke, 1991 for Itachi, 1982 for Kakashi, and 1980 for Obito. For yamato I used 1986. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

To Elveo,

So lets put it like this then, They all enter the academy at the same time that's a manga fact, and Obito is 2years7months5days older than Kakashi, the grad ages were 9(genin) and 11(chunin) for Obito and Rin... Kakashi's was 5(genin) and 6(chunin).

Academy Entrance: Obito, Kakashi, Rin, at the same time.

1 year later: Kakashi(Still 5 but almost 6) becomes Genin: Obito and Rin are still in the academy.

Obito and Rin become Genin: a short time later Kakashi at almost 7 years old(Still 6 since his birthday hasn't come yet) becomes a chunin after taking the exams with Rin and Obito who fail the exams.

Obito(11yrs) and Rin become Chunin: Obito is shown with his chunin vest and papers.

2 years go by and Obito is now 13: Kakashi who is 11 has become a Jonin, Obito who is 13 nearly dies and goes rogue. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 06:32, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

One part you forget... the Jonin Sensei is the one who sends them to take the Chunin Exams, Like Gai made sure team Gai couldn't take the exams when he thought they weren't ready... Minato obviously did not think his team were ready to take a second Chunin exams until they were 11, Sasuke and Naruto got into the academy when they were 5, they Graduated when they were 12 man... 12. My math still fits. Kakashi became Chunin at 6(almost 7) and was that way until 11. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

BTW there are TWO Chunin exams every year, one at the beginning and one at the end of the year and Jonin Sensei's can prevent their students from taking the exams as much as they want until they feel they are ready. Kakashi was 11 when he became a Jonin, My PROOF? here are some facts.. Gai became a Chunin at 11 and he is only around over 8 months older than Kakashi and Asuma became a Chunin at 12 and he is around a year older than Kakashi.. Gai and Asuma were BOTH wearing their Chunin vests in chapter 599 when we see Rin showing her "Project give Kakashi a present to congratulate Kakashi becoming a Jonin" plan... Obito died at 13(a fact), and in the Kakashi Gaiden they say Kakashi just became a Jonin so it is clear that page in chapter 599 happens soon before the Kakashi Gaiden.. which means I am right and Obito is 2yrs 7months 5days older than Kakashi. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 03:01, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

That manga chapter had 3 errors only, Minato's stone face, Hayate, and Anko being in it... that was it. The rest can be assumed as accurate enough. In the movie lost towers Kakashi is 10 and still Chunin and that supports me.. chapter 599? that supports me... Gai and Asuma's chunin ages? they support me. I am right you are wrong. Kakashi became Jonin at 11 and Obito is 2 years 7 months older than him. Enough said. My evidence is better and more accurate than yours, my evidence has facts, manga and data.. and math that all fits.. I don't see why you are so hell bent on Kakashi being a 9 year old Jonin and Obito being 3yrs 7months older than him... they don't fit and they never will, once all the other facts are realized like ALL the posts I put on your talk page. I brought more evidence and facts than you, and all of them fit and are supported by databook and manga. Just accept I am right and move on this is getting old. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:12, May 19, 2013 (UTC)


No again you are presuming it takes everyone a year to graduate the academy. Itachi and Kakashi were PRAISED for graduating in a year, AND at the top of their classes so that in itself I am right on again. One year = 12 months no matter what. 5 Years and 11 months minus a year equals?? exactly. Also this isn't based on OUR dates, ONly the months and days are correspondent and the days that were given that were not databook or manga data were only used to support my post, they could of been a few days later or a few days earlier or even a month or two. You need to be looking at the age DIFFERENCES in those dates posted mainly, the utmost importance and point in my post was not 100% the actual dates. Read my post again and let me know if you understand what it really meant. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 19:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

AND a year before the nine tales attack Obito would of been 15, 2 years before that Obito was 13, that is 3 years before the nine tails attack, Kakashi being 14 minus 3 equals 11. On to another piece, Itachi is 8 years, 8 months, 25 days younger than Kakashi and it was a stated fact he was still around the time the 3rd war ended. So the 3rd war ended on his 4th Birthday at the least and the last day of his 4th year at the most, meaning it ended around almost 2 years after Obito's "Death" at Kanabi Bridge at most and around 1 year at the least. My math makes sense all the way. Obito was 16 and 8 months when he attacked Konoha, Itachi was 5 and 4 months, and Kakashi was 14 and 25 days. During the the Gaiden Kakashi was 11 and Obito was 13 and Itachi was 2, I didn't specify the months here because it should be easy to calculate them using the date calculator and I want you to see for yourself... you will get the exact months too and it will all fit. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashi was 9 years old when Obito "died". Not 11. Itachi was born that year. I've gone through all that multiple times, if you don't trust Elve-kun's words, trust me. Seelentau 愛 21:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Kakashi, Obito and Rin graduated at the same time, 9 years prior to Naruto's birth (ptNb). Kakashi became Chūnin one year later (8 years ptNb), Obito and Rin two years (7 years ptNb) later. Obito "died" 5 years ptNb. Both Obito and Rin are four years older than Kakashi. Seelentau 愛 21:20, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
There's a gap, that's right. Don't know how to take that into account, though. Seelentau 愛 21:33, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

No, you are not getting this. Re-read my posts... I am right. I am only stating facts here not my opinions... I did your math and my math countless times and in the end you are still wrong. Go over everything I posted again. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 07:00, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

And where exactly am I wrong? Seelentau 愛 10:57, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Naruto's healing

The passage isn't in mangareader's scanlation, but in mangastream's archive site (which I'm not sure is actually maintained by them, the .to domain), you can see the scanlated part where Kakashi thinks "Must be the Nine-Tails' power". And since the scanlation probably dates back to a long time ago, the quality is rather bad, some of the kanji are still readable, and you can even see part of the kanji for nine, just above the box where that thought is written. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Not exactly sure. As an Uzumaki, Naruto ought to have the "potential for long life" yada, yada, yada, and since he's an Uzumaki through his mother. Only case I can think of from the top of my head that someone explicitly linked anything Naruto has with his heritage was Kurama when Naruto went Oprah "You get a chakra cloak! You get a cloak! EVERYBODY gets a chakra cloak!" with its chakra. I don't recall if there are others, but I think it stands to reason that he'd have inherited something from Kushina. I don't particularly recall anyone being against listing Naruto as having those benefits, as an Uzumaki, but my memory could be faulty. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Sakumo killing Sasori's parents matter

Why do you think Nagato was that old when he died? My timeline says so, too, but I have no idea why it does that, since I removed everything regarding the second WW due to missing proof. So if you can proof that Nagato was that old, it'd be awesome. Maybe I could then add it again. Seelentau 愛 15:07, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

So your whole argumentation is based on an assumption? I don't think that's enough, dude. Seelentau 愛 15:45, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Where does it say that Sasori's parents died when he was younger than 5? Seelentau 愛 17:00, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
Could you get me a manga reference for that information? Seelentau 愛 17:41, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Archive

Yep--ROOT 根 (talk) 17:35, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Then why Is my archive weird looking its not like yours where It neat and says Archive 1 ? how come? It hasn't got any links example "Archive 1" like yours --ROOT 根 (talk) 17:57, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Jubi forms

Second form is emaciated/handicapped, third form is it bulking up arms, horns etc. There's nothing special about the beast opening its mouth and showing us its penis, so it's not a fourth form.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 17:38, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

I'm kind of lost, but, if I understand you correctly, there'd be no need to represent the mouth in the gallery.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 17:47, May 15, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I thought they mentioned that it was transforming again that's why that was put there. Checked and didn't see it, I'll edit it to reflect that.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 17:58, May 15, 2013 (UTC)


You need to tone down the speculation, Elve. Its fine if you want to discuss theories or ideas you have in a forum or on personal talk pages, but three times since the chapter came out, I've seen you starting new discussions (Ten-Tails classification, Naruto being a sensor, and now the Haruno clan) based on nothing but over exaggerations of canon statements and baseless speculation on your behalf. This is not a reprimand, just a reminder that we can't actually use evidence like a symbol appearing above Sakura's head (regardless of who drew it, or the circumstances) to draw any conclusions. The same about the Ten-Tails, or Naruto's abilities. There has to be concrete facts before they are added. That's why we couldn't change the Ten-Tails' classification, that's why Naruto cannot be added as a sensor, and that's why we are not going to list that symbol as proof of a "Haruno clan".

It may happen that, later on down the road, Kishimoto proves your theories all right. Or, he could do a 180 and prove them all wrong. My point is that you have to have something solid before using it in an argument. Maybes, could be's, might have's, and possibly's are not things that are going to be considered for a mention on the articles. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 20:16, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Of course. I didn't want to seem like I was hunting your comments down and attacking them. I've learned the hard way that others can take it like that, though that is never my intentions. Besides, I see you in a friendly light and enjoy our debates. I just want to make sure we keep speculation out of them for the good of the site. That's all. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Yamagakure Symbol 21:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)


I am happy with your latest message to Seelentau regarding chakra. Do you have any questions or anything you're still not sure about that I could maybe help explain? Everything about chakra and all its components gets VERY confusing, especially since there's a lot of misinformation about it (though you've shown you know more than the average). We all can still learn. =) -- (talk) 22:59, May 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree. Is there anything still unclear to you, Elve-kun? Also this. Might wanna read it. Seelentau 愛 01:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

I am actually quite hurt and disappointed, Elv. I was being completely earnest and amiable. I also do not know how much of chakra you understand, so I only wanted to try and help you clear any confusion that you may have about such a large topic. It is the most comprehensive and confusing thing Kish has created in regards to Naruto, in my opinion. And concerning affinities, you have displayed a bit of that confusion.

If it helps you believe, trust, and understand me more... I don't understand the Obito-Kakashi age situation. I mean, yes, I get the answer people come up with, but I haven't done the research and every time I decide I want to start, I get overwhelmed because I honestly don't know where to start, or how. And I would actually appreciate it if you would perhaps help me with that, walking me through it. Perhaps you could list it on my talk page in the way I requested Itachiwasahero do it on Seelentau's timeline page. And don't forget, we've also agreed on things that others might not, so I'm not out to get you.

To reply to the questions and everything, however -- What parts do you feel were disagreed upon? I must have missed it, because the only part I was discussing is what an affinity was =(. As for arms, legs, etc, that is a debate I've had with other Naruto-philes who do all they can to understand the lore. It seem plausible. Kakuzu's heart issues is simply explained because the heart contains a lot of chakra and vital components to a person. Using what was stored in them (the bonus chakra, nature transformation affinity (because the body naturally leans that way), etc) is what allowed him to use them. And that's the only reason why he could use affinities, because of the heart contained the information and etc. The hearts don't allow him to use others outide of their owners' affinity because it goes based solely on the body's chakra naturally leaned towards/emitted. Sure, they may have trained for others, but the body doesn't naturally do it, and it is why, even if a master in Raiton (Affinity) and Doton (Secondary), their expertise in Raiton (assuming they train it) produces larger results much more easily (and what allowed Kakuzu to use such masterful and large techniques, because he would use the heart's affinity).

As for being physical and spiritual energies, you're not incorrect as chakra is molded from physical and spiritual. But it's the chakra that determines it, and all the dialogue explicitly states it, and leaves naught to imagination. They say it (chakra) leans towards a nature, you pump chakra into the paper, the paper reacts to the nature hidden in the chakra, etc. And of course all the other dialogue. So I don't get why you think it is personality based and it explains transplants (when the only things transplanted are the body, chakra, affinity) working better.

As for Uchiha's being Katon more often than not, don't forget that there is seemingly a Rite of Passage where you're not really an Uchiha unless you can use Katon (technically they just don't consider you an adult, but I prefer my version better lol). So from that, we can gather there are some Uchiha whose affinity sometimes differs. But along with Uchiha being Kekkei Genkai oriented, we can also assume their bodies have always produced a chakra leaning towards Katon, especially if you do consider the genetics/breeding part you've mentioned in the past. I would say it's the same for Iwagakure, where they're known for their Doton, Kirigakure being known for their Suiton, Sungakure -- Fuuton, and Kumogakure -- Raiton, and in the end it really just probably ends up being all attributable to breeding/genetics and chakra leaning towards a nature being perpetuated.

As for changing affinities, there's no reason to believe that, and it's heresy. And having two affinities? Hm, I've wondered about that when it comes to people like Haku, Hashirama, etc. They need both elements, and seemingly are born with both elements in order to use their KKG. I mean we've all come to understand they need both, but I haven't seen anyone approach the idea of having two affinities from birth for them. Maybe people have, but I haven't seen it, so... no, I don't agree with changing affinities, but I do agree with some having two affinities because of KKG.-- (talk) 14:24, May 20, 2013 (UTC)


I am cooled down now and I have come to this conclusion, if we completely exclude chapter 599, then Obito and Rin are 4 years older than Kakashi. if we include chapter 599 then they are 2 years older than Kakashi. It all comes down to Databook 4 to solve this issue. Right now as long as it isn't addressed by databook 4 then we are both wrong and right at the same time. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 09:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re: this guy's theory/prediction

I did not look through all of it, but between mistranslations and just plain wrong assumptions. Even if something that guy proposed ends up happening, I don't think it'll happen how he proposed. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Could you please take a look?

Don't know exactly what you're asking. I usually don't give much thought to the "lessons" and "teachings" of a fictional world, I'm much more interested in its mythology and how it works. If you wrote about that, I'd be able to give you a much better feedback. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 22:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Naruto Fandom wiki

hey elv-san would you like to join Naruto Fandom Wiki we need more creative people to come and Interact at the moment the wiki's growing very successfully --ROOT 根 (talk) 16:08, May 21, 2013 (UTC)


I used it the same as one would "dude" or "man", but I'm a girl and always use it anyways when speaking to someone. I just delved into my personality a little bit and used it, lol. But I won't use it, despite not having used it before with you for all this time. --Taynio (talk) 16:09, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Lol it's okay. I wouldn't speak to you like that, especially after all the discussions we've had. But just incase you missed my other announcement to you, I am the anon you would always debate with.--Taynio (talk) 16:44, May 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re: latest chapter opinion

I liked it because stuff happened. Sakura does indeed seem to be getting serious, but I'll only believe it when it happens. I found Sasuke's sudden ambition to become Hokage rather poorly done. If anything, I thought he would simply give up on destroying the village, save it to honour Itachi's wishes, and then he'd keep a distance. He'd protect it, but we would keep a distance, due to his resentment. Regarding Minato, I get how what happened would be possible, but I feel it cheapened his character. The great thing about Minato is that he was simply gifted, I feel that giving him that chakra mode feels like a crutch to his abilities, when he clearly shouldn't need one. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:34, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

I was sad that minato didn't retrieve the toad contract with Jiraiya's blood on it and have orochimaru summon him. He is the only missing link in teacher student lineage ;( — SimAnt 00:51, May 23, 2013 (UTC)

Make an archive

Hey I would like to know how do I make an archive on my talk page. Inoyamanaka98 (talk) 19:38, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98

Thank you. Inoyamanaka98 (talk) 19:47, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98


Btw if you are still making a timeline, the chunin exams are held on the 1st of july, idk if that is the first of the year or the second time in the year, but that was what hiruzen said when konoha 12 took were about to take exams. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:25, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and Idk if it was just the exam the 12 took or what but there is a month gap between the last part of the exam and the other parts, so it ends in august. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 04:27, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re: feedback

I don't think it's possible to discuss serious stuff with most of the people here. The case of Kakashi's age taught me that. Almost no one here is able to accept that they eventually could be wrong with what they're thinking. You're basically talking against walls most of the time. Seelentau 愛 11:53, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

On the Obito thing again

The only info that supports Obito being 33-34 is the grad age numbers, but ONLY if you look at those alone. That's it. Chapter 599 and the Databooks Registration Numbers and Number Ages, combined with Grad Ages support Obito being 32-33 current time, I just don't understand why you don't see that Elve.. it's a mystery to me. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 15:34, May 25, 2013 (UTC)


I would agree on that, but the only thing Kishi has addressed was the stone face prob in the shonen jump and fixed it in a later in chapter mosaic, is the tankobon release out yet for chapter 599? and how many errors have been fixed in it? ItachiWasAHero (talk) 16:04, May 25, 2013 (UTC)

hokage monument stuff

Susanoo thing is in the trivia, not too sure why either. Hanzō and the other manga images are an entirely different thing- that's just how it was decided to handle it. For the monument, there's no need to show an entirely correct depiction of a landmark and then show what the anime's done to it. It's not like it's in black and white. The hawk thing I agree with, but the last time I changed it, it was reverted, so I think you'll have to bring that up on the talkpage.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:37, May 26, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Your skills are required

"Nagato wa Senju no Kettō de Gedō Mazō o Madara igai ni Kuchiyose dekiru Yuiitsu no Jinbutsu nano sa"
"Since Nagato descends from the Senju lineage, he's aside from Madara the only person who's capable of summoning the Gedō Mazō"
Seelentau 愛 13:00, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

No, the literal translation would be "Nagato is a lineage of Senju" or so, but that would be senseless. Since you descend from a lineage, I've chosen that wording. You could simply say "Nagato is from the Senju lineage", though. Seelentau 愛 13:15, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
No, 降りる isn't used but I don't see why it should be? Does the meaning of the whole sentence changes when you use 'descends' instead of 'of' or 'from'? Whatever wording you choose, the meaning stays the same: Nagato and the Uzumaki clan are part of the Senju lineage. Seelentau 愛 16:08, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
Could you get me a raw for chapter 303? I only found the tankōbon raw where the text was deleted. Since the God Gate Jutsu seals aways the movements of the target, I'd say it's a sealing technique. Why would it be a barrier? Seelentau 愛 12:10, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, I found that one, too. But it's still missing the raw text about the century-stuff. Seelentau 愛 14:01, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
Unless I have a raw I can't take that into account. Seelentau 愛 14:08, May 30, 2013 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, please explain to me why you think Black Zetsu is to White Zetsu what Bijū are to the Jūbi. Seelentau 愛 20:15, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

I thought there was more behind it... well, good for me, though. I don't think you understand what exactly happened in both instances. There are slight differences between the Jūbi issue and the Zetsu issue. Black Zetsu wasn't made out of nothing, but out of White Zetsu and Madara's will. White Zetsu wasn't split like the Jūbi's chakra was, but created by cultivating Hashirama Senju's cells. It could be that White Zetsu was created with Yang Release. I know Madara said he created White Zetsu with YYR, but I can't think how that would fit with the rest of it. Furthermore, Madara's will would be Yin Release, wouldn't it? Seelentau 愛 21:48, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
mmh, wouldn't you say that Black Zetsu was created with White Zetsu, while the TB were created from Jūbi? Like this:
Jūbi => Chakra and body parted => Chakra parted in nine parts and given life with YYR
Hashiramas DNA => cultivated/formed with YinR => given life with YangR = WZ => WZ given "will" with YinR = BZ
It seems to me that the Jūbi issue was kind of a separation, while the Zetsu issue was kind of a construction. The RS's doing goes from big (Jūbi) to small (Bijū), while Madara's doing goes from small (Hashi's cells) to big (Zetsu). Seelentau 愛 22:23, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
Where am I wrong, then? Seelentau 愛 10:37, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
Madara didn't do any body forming when making BZ, did he? He did only mind forming, so only YangR. The body - White Zetsu - was already there. So where's the YYR? Seelentau 愛 15:53, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
And there we have your mistake: BZ was created by pouring Madara's will into WZ's body. There was no glueing together, because there'd have to be two different bodies for that and he didn't grow from WZ body, either. BZ is like the evil side of Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Seelentau 愛 16:16, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
The problem is that WZ never had half his side missing. His arm and one eye were missing, but BZ isn't an artifical body. Check chapter 606, you can clearly see Madara's will crawling over WZ's body and on the next page that he even had a white leg before the will covered it and made it black. Seelentau 愛 16:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
It isn't YYR when there's no YinR involved. Also, Madara even said that Obito could take the ones created with YYR as his pawns, referring to the WZ. He didn't include BZ there for a reason. BZ and WZ were made separate entities by Madara, they were one WZ at the beginning. The Madara came and infused his will (YangR) into half of WZ's body and thus made BZ as a Mini-Me or so. Seelentau 愛 16:45, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

That's a different topic :D I'm of course agreeing with you when it comes to the creation of the White Zetsus, that was YYR. But I don't know if it was BS, maybe Madara used YYR in a different way? Seelentau 愛 17:10, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Please don't jump to any conclusions with that. Madara is a YYR user, but no confirmed BS user. Seelentau 愛 17:23, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re: welcome back

Haha, thanks, I've been following Naruto but haven't been on the wikia much, as you can see. I just saw the movie and thought I'd add some information. I've just been so busy that I haven't been able to show up much around here. I'll probably come back when Kishi reveals some more detail on chakra natures, haha. --GoDai (talk) 03:31, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Not too sure about those points in general, but I do think that the original Orochimaru was still sealed into the Sword. I'm not 100% sure how this all works overall, but I imagine it something like the mechanics for teleportation in shows like Stark Trek - The original person is destroyed and a copy containing an identical set of information is created elsewhere. Not exactly the same situation, but something like that. For example, if a soul is defined to be a singular entity residing in a certain set of information unique to an individual, then I guess you could say the original Orochimaru's soul now resides in this newly generated body. If not, this is just another Orochimaru with the same body and memories, who thinks he is Orochimaru, and in many ways, he IS Orochimaru now, since he is no different from the original besides continuity. It's somewhat confusing when you dig into the technical level. --GoDai (talk) 04:18, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Interesting point, but that snake doesn't go to the Mountain's Graveyard to become Orochimaru, does it? I think it's some form of foreshadowing if anything at all. Unless you're correct and he somehow kept his consciousness free of the illusion. --GoDai (talk) 17:31, June 1, 2013 (UTC)

Haha, but not much more information was added to the page; it was more of an update to brush things up. I think laying off the whole elements thing has cleared my mind quite a bit, and has been very helpful. I mean, when one keeps going at it at that sort of thing, one starts spitting out all sorts of forced-in, nonsensical ideas that don't even sound like elements. I'm still not sure if the Lava Releases are actually supposed to be different, since the anime portrayed lava for Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique but the Japanese wikipedia still lists her Yōton as Corrosion Release (溶遁) and says it produces viscous acid slime which can harden... For now, I'm going with it being lava, since Kishi would have already raged if it was supposed to be acidic slime but the anime creators made it lava. For the different usages of Lava Release, my opinion is that it differs like a basic element would. Asuma used ash for Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning and dust for Wind Release: Dust Cloud Technique, which has not been done by other shinobi. Likewise, many variations on the basic elements have been seen, and it is likely that advanced natures simply have such variations as well; we just don't see them as often because you need kekkei genkai to use them. --GoDai (talk) 01:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: strength of a hundred seal

I explained how it works on the YS:R talk page. Seelentau 愛 19:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Blown Away

Whoa i must admit {Elveonora} i wasen't really expecting that from you and it must have been alot of work on your part and i must say i actually agree with you now on many things.I must say that that many people may be very impressed with your theory's and progress.But i just started on this wiki today so im still a novice but ounce people see this im positive people will be just as impressed as i was.Whiteraven1 (talk) 19:29, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Page merger

I'm all for a page merger, but we don't do votes here. I agree with your point of locks and keys not having same name or whatnot. — SimAnt 19:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi

I think that IS Shape Transformation..  Teppei  talk  13:27, 6/4/2013 

Chunin Exam Info

Hiruzen says "any genins you want to enter into the chunin exams?" in chapter 35 page 5, that means actual teams dont have to enter together, and that gai, ebisu and the other guy might have just been a makeshift temporary team for the team section of the exams. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 13:44, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Ok so in chapter 38 Kakashi claims the test can only be taken by teams of 3, it's weird Hiruzen would lie about it. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 14:11, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Re: age estimates

Too much room for error, I think. For example, Killer B and Motoi, we list their ages because there are fewer indicatives, which give a precise age. The only concrete thing about Minato's age I know, without going through several comparisons, is that he was not 30 yet. I think the more comparisons and things we have to compare, the less reliable the end result will be. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:15, June 8, 2013 (UTC)

Where was that stuff about Minato not being 30 years old said? o: Seelentau 愛 19:05, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
ah, I see. Minato was born at most 31 years before Naruto's birth. Team Minato was established 9 years bNb, meaning Minato was at most 22 years old (31-9=22). He became Hokage 1 year bNb at the age of at most 30 years old and died at the age of 31. I'm saying "at most" all the time because he was younger than Kakashi, but we only have Kakashi's age to calculate with. Am I wrong somewhere? Seelentau 愛 16:56, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
Was he? Why do you think so? Seelentau 愛 21:07, June 10, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Kabuto question

As I understand it, after Danzō decided to dispose of Kabuto, Orochimaru decided to keep him, having taken an interest in him long ago. I don't know what happened after Orochimaru took Kabuto under his wing. We didn't see what happened. All we know is that Kabuto kept working for Orochimaru ever since. The fake backstory would work for the general population and shinobi of Konoha, but Root would know. There are gaps to be filled. Maybe Orochimaru presented a fake body, or maybe Danzō figured that he wouldn't go through it because he suspected Orochimaru already had plans to leave the village (if that happened around the time Minato became Hokage), but it still wouldn't make sense for him not to take action against Kabuto. Maybe he figured that having someone he knew near Orochimaru would be interesting in the long run. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:30, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Katsuyu

I can't really tell, I don't speak Japanese to associate words and such to traditionally feminine traits. Even them, it's not something as clear cut. If I'm not mistaken, Orochimaru commonly uses "watashi" to refer to himself, and watashi is traditionally feminine as well. ShounenSuki gave a list of some of those gender things once, including names that are traditionally associate with genders. I think Gaara's name is also traditionally used for women as well. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 13:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

I think you take things too literal sometimes. Zetsu noted that Nagato was from the Senju lineage (the Uzumaki). That's what the section was meant to convey, not that he had direct Senju blood. Still, the issue should be fixed now I believe yes?--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:19, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Oro Zetsu stuff

You can skip the sugarcoating :D Can you tell me the chapter and page number where that happens? Seelentau 愛 19:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)

There are many discussions going on in the last weeks, huh? Well, to answer your question, the sound effect when Oro leaves his body is ドプッ dopu, which is most likely a mistake. I think Kishi meant to write ドピュ dopyu, which means spurting, in this case of Oro's blood. The next one is ズッ Zu, simply illustrating Oro's movement. The last one is ズズ Zuzu, which is a "SFX for a slow maneuver, usually to emphasize and dramatize something deadly or of high importance/impact about to happen" :) Seelentau 愛 20:26, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
I haven't read that discussion because I don't think most of the people here are able to actually discuss things. I also don't want to know what you're discussing, because I simply don't care. As it was with Suki-senpai, I'm not interested in Naruto that much. I'm doing this because I have fun translating stuff, not because I like the manga that much. The only interesting things about it is all the "background stuff", how chakra works and all this. The actual story is crap and I'm reading it only because I want to know how it ends. Well, sorry about this text :D Anything else I can help you with? Seelentau 愛 20:39, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
I'm currently following Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Gantz, Fairy Tail, Manga Love Story, Soul Eater, Soul Eater Not!, Deadman Wonderland, Toriko, Aiki and Shingeki no Kyojin. But I guess the problem with Naruto is that I kind of over-analyzed it. I lost the fun reading it after working with it that much because I can't read it like a random manga anymore. So it's probably a bit my own fault. Seelentau 愛 21:28, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
It happened ove a longer period of time. I'm still interested in the stuff behind the scenes, but not in the actual story. Seelentau 愛 22:07, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
Nah, I'm not going to leave you all alone. I'll do as much as my life allows me to do and also, compared to the German Narutopedia, this one is heaven. We've almost no editors over there so it became kind of my own project. But it's boring editing stuff when no one else does, that's why I'm working here most of the time. Seelentau 愛 10:05, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Happy Birthday

Thank you. ^_^ Jacce | Talk | Contributions 15:29, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again. B| Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:19, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Orochimaru's characterization

He has either an ulterior motive, or is using ulterior means to his same old motive. He got smart enough to notice that trying to achieve his goals the way he was doing was like pissing against the wind. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:05, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

Re: red chakra

You'll never hear me state that the anime never counts, or agree to it. Long before you arrived on these shores it was manga, anime high so long it doesn't contradict manga, OVAs follow the same road as anime but less so, then movie and games.

With that out of the way, even if you want to ignore the anime, two completely different beasts having the same color chakra does in fact set a precedent. Until we are given a reason that this is wrong other than the all to common drivel of "uh we dunno lol!" then it is right.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:31, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Chapter 635 raw images

Aye, now we need Seelentau to translate. Then we can proceed from there.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 19:39, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re: community poll

What... are you talking about? --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 21:23, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Oh, the poll. I never saw it. Fixed~ --Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 21:41, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re: volume 65 cover

I've sort of given a description in the edit summary. And actually, I can give a site: Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:01, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Re: white snake possession

He says that "otherwise, my snakes will bind you, enter from your mouth and take over your bodies". Don't ask me if he or his snakes enter their bodies, I don't know. :/ Seelentau 愛 15:26, June 24, 2013 (UTC)

Re: eye integration 0_0

Shounensuki was asked a while back about this, he noted that both were used.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 12:58, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

If you can use hair trimmings to replicate cells and fix holes in someone's body I doubt the integration of eyes is a far cry from that. Why else would one sibling/person need to go around blind if they could just swap eyes and be done with it. However the procedure is done, if it's an integration literally how it sounds or not the bottom line is you don't have any eyes left over for other people after this. Else I don't see why Obito wouldn't have taken Sasuke's hand-me-downs for example.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 13:11, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Re: how could...

I don't know. Seelentau 愛 09:25, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Jashin is a deity, we have never seen him, only his doing. I don't know if that counts as evidence of his existence, though. I'd say yes.
The Shinigami is created through the Shiki Fujin and not a real entity floating around in another plane of existence. Seelentau 愛 15:37, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

I was busy the last few weeks, but now I've summer holidays and a bit of time at hand. I have no valid source for what I said, though. It's just my logical assumption. If he was a real entity, the Shiki Fujin would be a Summoning Jutsu, right? But it was never labeled as such, so... Seelentau 愛 18:19, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
It's always the same Shinigami being created, that's why the souls are always with him. But by the logic of the new Narutopedia, we should create an article for the summoning of the Shinigami, since he isn't created with Shiki Fūjin, hm? Seelentau 愛 18:30, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
As I said, if we consider him being a real entity, existing in another plane of reality, we'd have at least label him as a Summoning, if not creating an unnamed technique for his summoning. Or that's what the new NP would do now. Seelentau 愛 18:39, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
It's just that the edits/discussions based on speculation took over in the last months. It's good that this is changing again. Anywaaaay, do you still have any question or unresolved matter? Seelentau 愛 18:59, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
I don't like overused memes :D I can translate the databook entry for Fukasaku if you want me to~ Seelentau 愛 19:15, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

"Shizen to kyōseishi, neriagete kita chakura wa, yowai 800 sai o koe nagara otoroe o shirazu."
"Co-existing with the nature, the chakra he kneads exceeds 800 years while being unaffected by a weakening."
Or so... I don't know if that's 100% correct, though. To me it sounds like "by co-existing with the nature he kneads chakra since 800 years, not being affected by weakening" or so, meaning that he's 800 years old and still able to knead chakra. Seelentau 愛 20:28, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Tobirama...

I've known this since forever. I remember when people called him the "fodder Hokage". Naruto's always an idiot to me, dunno what to make of that. I don't think Minato's technique is being overhyped it seems more deliberate than anything else to be used as a gimmick/comic relief especially with a name like that. If logic was presented in every story, there would have been no need for Harry to be the chosen one in a world where you say two words and someone dies, or the wasted trip to Mount Doom when there were giant eagles all along or any logical reason why someone didn't murder all the Lannisters sooner... You have to play by the rules that authors make.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 14:53, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

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