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== talkpage ==
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== Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation ==
much better now! ;)[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 16:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:hey am I blocked now? your answer to this would be your 4k edit! :D[[Special:Contributions/79.223.68.89|79.223.68.89]] ([[User talk:79.223.68.89|talk]]) 18:22, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: a dumb question ==
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Just like [[The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu]]'s episode or even better. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
It [http://tangorin.com/general/秘伝 is] a word in Japanese. It's a word that is rarely used outside of fiction. You can see a few topics, including a very long topic about it at Hiden's talk page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.
   
==Edits==
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== Re: Hamura ==
Hi, Elveonora, I just wanna to say that sorry about my edits. From now, Im gonna to mark them as minor edit. Greetings. [[User:Leo Hatake|Leo Hatake]] ([[User talk:Leo Hatake|talk]]) 16:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: With all due respect ==
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Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
<blockquote>''Could you please stop addressing Fox's person directly all the time? This has nothing to do with me so I'm sorry for sticking nose into matters I'm not involved in, but it's getting awkward seeing you making it personal quite often. Take it elsewhere, it's kinda childish and this happens since him getting sysop rights.''</blockquote>
 
#I'm not making it personal, he is by constantly being aggressive with all my edits on this wiki.
 
#I'm not going to take it elsewhere, because this is an issue on this wiki and I want all users to see it. I haven't removed or asked other users to take their issues with me elsewhere have I ?
 
#I dislike him because of the fact he requested and got sysop permissions which is quite the opposite of how you are meant to get them. You get them by proving that you are a good editor, you don't get them just by asking. That is, in fact, completely against the Wikia's ideals as well.
 
I keep addressing him because he's the one making a big deal out of my concerns. I am making an opinion and he just takes apart my posts, misquotes words and takes everything I say out of context. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't keep doing this. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:08, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: Thank you for addressing that, Elve. Not to worry, I have a handle on the situation. If he continues with this, I'll simply take it to the other admins, or deal with it myself.~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:37, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Hamura symbol ==
   
: Meh, I'm laid back about things. I honestly don't have a problem with him. He's a productive editor. Anyone can see that. I don't know why he has a problem with me, and even if he does, he shouldn't drag the others into it. And yeah, I go inactive for times, and then get really active for times. I usually log on here when the new chapter come out, make my edits, and then log off. Occasionally, I'll make other edits, but I do like to contribute to the debates and discussions. Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end. He'll come around hopefully, and if he doesn't, I'll just drop it. No need to keep senseless arguments going. But again, thanks for your concern ^^ ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: creepy throat snake no jutsu ==
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== Merging Discussion ==
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Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in [[Will Materialisation]]'s talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with [[Banbutsu Sōzō]]. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you feel one is necessary and the article can support it sure.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re:Re:Raws ==
   
== Re: leaf village stuff ==
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I have no idea. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
Or, you could add it and if it needs work, it'll be worked on~ --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: age ==
   
==Re: Hidan's Eternal Youth==
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I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
That's not the point. It's hard to say it but I found this webpage that features Hidan having eternal youth due to being immortal. If you don't believe me here is the webpage link.
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: In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you look below and look in the known user box, Hidan's name is in it. Also, eternal youth is under the "Variation" section. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality
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In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] [[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]]
   
And if you look the known user box in the eternal youth page, Hidan's name is also in it. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Immortality
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== Enton ==
   
--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)[[User talk:Jon825lazery7]]--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: thank you, ==
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== Re: latest chapter opinion ==
   
Seeing that discussion sparked in my memory that we had those. Felt double-stardardish to refuse adding those names when I recalled there being some names of that nature. I got all I remembered down. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
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It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]][[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]
   
== Re: Hayate filler ==
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== Re: your feedback ==
Anyway It would be good next episode the episode may even expand on his relationship with yugao his girlfriend --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Haha your crazy haha shikamaru would be like what kurenai had It with hayate haha--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: what do you think? ==
   
== Re: immortality question ==
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You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.
   
In theory, yes. [[wikipedia:Biological immortality|Biological immortality]] does exist in the form of immortalised cell cultures such as [[wikipedia:HeLa|HeLa]] and [[wikipedia:Jurkat cells|Jurkat]] cells. There's [[wikipedia:Turritopsis nutricula|a jellyfish]] which can be biologically immortal through changing back to an immature form, but in nature ends up perishing either to disease or predation. [[wikipedia:Hydra (genus)|Hydra]] have something similar going on, but they don't know how telemore restoration works with their constant cellular division. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "''What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?''" and "''I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority.''" Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.
   
== FairyTail Fanon wiki ==
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# While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I ''understand'' you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
Hey could you please join FairyTaill Fanon wiki please, It's new and I need Admins who can develop the wiki really well please join --
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# Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.
<span style="padding-left:6px; background-color:Gold; border:6px dotted yellow;{{border-radius|20em 20em 20em 20em}}">[[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]][[User:Jmootam1999|<span style= "font-size:15px; font-family: Bauhaus 93;">'''Jmootam1999'''</span>]][[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]]</span> 09:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: how you ==
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Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually ''agree'' with your ''theory'', but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.
   
Yeah, I wonder how Madara could survive after his battle with Hashirama and also how he could find the Gedo statue to bring the supply of his life until he met Obito. Perhaps he awakened his Rinnegan at that time to allow himself to control the life as he desire. And maybe Itachi was right about most of Madara's theories that you talked about, but I think we'll know more of Madara's flashbacks very soon. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.
   
== Re: chapter 626 ==
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:You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has ''only'' a Rinnegan comes from the '''speculation''' that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to '''Madara''' and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
   
I don't have access to the chapters 625 and 626 yet. Mangahead is seemingly having some problems with the Naruto raws and I don't have any other raw source. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. ''All'' Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because ''all'' of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as ''Sharingan''. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "''natural evolution''". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "''what lies beyond the Sharingan''" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.
:Uh, I don't know what Genjutsu sound words look like, but I don't see anything that would stand out. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Nope, the sound effect ザ ''za'' stands for ''whoosh'' or such, describing strong, energetic movement of the rain, in this case. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re:Forum talk ==
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Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.
   
The ones who knew her as his mother aren't the ones who would be crazy on killing him (for being Minato's son), are they?'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.
   
Doesn't seem that kind of a person... Hiruzen must have decieded so only after accurately measuring the pros and cons (?)'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)'''''[[User: KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]]'''''[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization]]
   
== Hashirama's scar ==
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== Re: 681 scans ==
   
Did you noticed in the recent chapter that Hashirama's scar on his nose bridge in the Hokage Monument isn't exist? Of course we're talking about the recent timing. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:18, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== FTG Slash ==
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== Re: almost forgot about this ==
   
Hey man , is it true that Minato says Tobi has better space time ninjutsu than him and the Second ? If so, what chapter ? Im starting to get a little confused as to what things suggest it's Space time ninjutsu (other than the name), could you clear this up for me ? (maybe give me some reasons ? ahaha)Thanks --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 12:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok cool , what chapter did you say ? ahhaha "50x" ? :p I dont really understand. Sorry for being pedantic, I just dont recall this part about the Second ! --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 13:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: confirmed ==
   
== Re: Hayate filler arc ==
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Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara ''again''? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
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: I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unfortunately, no info available yet for that. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 19:21, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:: Very true. True enough. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Obito and Kakashi's Age Difference. ==
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== Re: Probability ==
   
Obito is 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi, Kakashi took only 1 year to graduate to Genin, he was still 5, he was almost 7 when he became a Chunin, and freshly 11 when he became a Jonin. Obito was 9 when he became a Genin, after a short time he and Rin took the Chunin exams with Kakashi and him and Rin lost, Kakashi who was almost 7 years old passed becoming a Chunin. Obito was 16years and 8 months when he attacked the village and Kakashi was 14years and 25 days, this was on the day of Naruto's birth which was 10/10/1996 as a figurehead.
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None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean ''Lava''. , the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means ''to melt'', so it would be ''Melt/Melting(?) Release''. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to ''to dissolve'', making Mei's KG a ''Dissolution Release''. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the ''lava'' part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for ''lava'' but literally simply means ''Molten Rock''. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Use this site to do the date differences and you will see that he is not 3 years 7 months and 5 days older than Kakashi but in fact 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi.
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Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.
   
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html
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(referring to kaguya's infobox)
   
Obito to current date
 
From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980
 
To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013
 
33 years, 2 months, 28 days excluding the end date
 
   
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--[[User:Jashin Uchiha|Jashin Uchiha]] ([[User talk:Jashin Uchiha|talk]]) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Kakashi to current date
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== Tobirama's raw strength. ==
From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982
 
To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013
 
30 years, 7 months, 23 days excluding the end date
 
   
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Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014
   
Naruto to current date
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I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014
From and including: Thursday, October 10, 1996
 
To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013
 
16 years, 6 months, 28 days excluding the end date
 
   
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I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014
   
The earliest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin
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== RP: Rude ==
From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982
 
To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989
 
6 years, 4 months, 26 days excluding the end date
 
   
Obito on that day
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I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980
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: Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989
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:: They were most likely fighting the ''rest'' of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
9 years excluding the end date
 
   
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==Susanoo-Equipped Kurama==
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By the way, what is your opinion on [[Talk:Susanoo#Is the Susanoo clad Kurama anime picture worth adding in Madara's abilities?|this]]? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Susanoo/Archive_4#Equipped_Susanoo here], when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
The latest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin
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== Re: TSB natures ==
From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982
 
To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989
 
6 years, 11 months, 30 days excluding the end date
 
   
Obito on that day
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No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980
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:I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989
 
9 years, 7 months, 4 days excluding the end date
 
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== Re: Reincarnation ==
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I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh and in the Lost Tower Movie they went back 20 years before current time Naruto date setting so Kakashi's age of 30 years, 7 months, 23 days becomes 10 years, 7 months, 23 days and his data file in the movie said he was a Chunin at that time so it fits right in to all of this [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== RE: Something unusual ==
   
Yamato was 6 years 8 months 28 days and a Chunin too at that time, but he wasn't shown in the movie except for his current self. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:59, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits [[Special:Editcount/Elveonora|here]] (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
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:There might be some staff-only tool. [[Special:Contact/general|Ask them]]--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Btw I used 1996 for Naruto and Sasuke, 1991 for Itachi, 1982 for Kakashi, and 1980 for Obito. For yamato I used 1986. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: wat ==
   
To Elveo,
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If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
So lets put it like this then, They all enter the academy at the same time that's a manga fact, and Obito is 2years7months5days older than Kakashi, the grad ages were 9(genin) and 11(chunin) for Obito and Rin... Kakashi's was 5(genin) and 6(chunin).
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== Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu ==
   
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Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:Was it stated that they got his ''chakra''? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::''Power'' doesn't necessarily mean ''chakra''. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the ''chakra''. They got the ''Six Paths Yin/Yang Power'' and the ''Six Path Senjutsu'', but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Academy Entrance: Obito, Kakashi, Rin, at the same time.
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== Re: Revolt of the demon world ==
   
1 year later: Kakashi(Still 5 but almost 6) becomes Genin: Obito and Rin are still in the academy.
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I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Obito and Rin become Genin: a short time later Kakashi at almost 7 years old(Still 6 since his birthday hasn't come yet) becomes a chunin after taking the exams with Rin and Obito who fail the exams.
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== Gonna be real serious here Elveonora. ==
   
Obito(11yrs) and Rin become Chunin: Obito is shown with his chunin vest and papers.
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I am ignorant of ''nothing'' and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.
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:I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does ''not'' make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now ''isn't wrong''. It is presented in a way that ''makes it convenient to our readers''. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for ''them''.
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:The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as ''mentions'' something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing ''nothing'' new to the conversation.
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:You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.
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Questions?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
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:If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
2 years go by and Obito is now 13: Kakashi who is 11 has become a Jonin, Obito who is 13 nearly dies and goes rogue. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:32, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
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==Why do we even==
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Mental issues? That is undeniably insulting, I read at a college level and I possess an above average IQ.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:34, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
   
One part you forget... the Jonin Sensei is the one who sends them to take the Chunin Exams, Like Gai made sure team Gai couldn't take the exams when he thought they weren't ready... Minato obviously did not think his team were ready to take a second Chunin exams until they were 11, Sasuke and Naruto got into the academy when they were 5, they Graduated when they were 12 man... 12. My math still fits. Kakashi became Chunin at 6(almost 7) and was that way until 11. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Explosion Release ==
   
BTW there are TWO Chunin exams every year, one at the beginning and one at the end of the year and Jonin Sensei's can prevent their students from taking the exams as much as they want until they feel they are ready. Kakashi was 11 when he became a Jonin, My PROOF? here are some facts.. Gai became a Chunin at 11 and he is only around over 8 months older than Kakashi and Asuma became a Chunin at 12 and he is around a year older than Kakashi.. Gai and Asuma were BOTH wearing their Chunin vests in chapter 599 when we see Rin showing her "Project give Kakashi a present to congratulate Kakashi becoming a Jonin" plan... Obito died at 13(a fact), and in the Kakashi Gaiden they say Kakashi just became a Jonin so it is clear that page in chapter 599 happens soon before the Kakashi Gaiden.. which means I am right and Obito is 2yrs 7months 5days older than Kakashi. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 03:01, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
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Nope. It's Doton and ? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
 
That manga chapter had 3 errors only, Minato's stone face, Hayate, and Anko being in it... that was it. The rest can be assumed as accurate enough. In the movie lost towers Kakashi is 10 and still Chunin and that supports me.. chapter 599? that supports me... Gai and Asuma's chunin ages? they support me. I am right you are wrong. Kakashi became Jonin at 11 and Obito is 2 years 7 months older than him. Enough said. My evidence is better and more accurate than yours, my evidence has facts, manga and data.. and math that all fits.. I don't see why you are so hell bent on Kakashi being a 9 year old Jonin and Obito being 3yrs 7months older than him... they don't fit and they never will, once all the other facts are realized like ALL the posts I put on your talk page. I brought more evidence and facts than you, and all of them fit and are supported by databook and manga. Just accept I am right and move on this is getting old. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 11:12, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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== Re: Kaguya ==
   
No again you are presuming it takes everyone a year to graduate the academy. Itachi and Kakashi were PRAISED for graduating in a year, AND at the top of their classes so that in itself I am right on again. One year = 12 months no matter what. 5 Years and 11 months minus a year equals?? exactly. Also this isn't based on OUR dates, ONly the months and days are correspondent and the days that were given that were not databook or manga data were only used to support my post, they could of been a few days later or a few days earlier or even a month or two. You need to be looking at the age DIFFERENCES in those dates posted mainly, the utmost importance and point in my post was not 100% the actual dates. Read my post again and let me know if you understand what it really meant. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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To you maybe. To me more than enough.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
AND a year before the nine tales attack Obito would of been 15, 2 years before that Obito was 13, that is 3 years before the nine tails attack, Kakashi being 14 minus 3 equals 11. On to another piece, Itachi is 8 years, 8 months, 25 days younger than Kakashi and it was a stated fact he was still around the time the 3rd war ended. So the 3rd war ended on his 4th Birthday at the least and the last day of his 4th year at the most, meaning it ended around almost 2 years after Obito's "Death" at Kanabi Bridge at most and around 1 year at the least. My math makes sense all the way. Obito was 16 and 8 months when he attacked Konoha, Itachi was 5 and 4 months, and Kakashi was 14 and 25 days. During the the Gaiden Kakashi was 11 and Obito was 13 and Itachi was 2, I didn't specify the months here because it should be easy to calculate them using the date calculator and I want you to see for yourself... you will get the exact months too and it will all fit. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: kaguya chakra question ==
   
Kakashi was 9 years old when Obito "died". Not 11. Itachi was born that year. I've gone through all that multiple times, if you don't trust Elve-kun's words, trust me. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
:Kakashi, Obito and Rin graduated at the same time, 9 years prior to Naruto's birth (ptNb). Kakashi became Chūnin one year later (8 years ptNb), Obito and Rin two years (7 years ptNb) later. Obito "died" 5 years ptNb. Both Obito and Rin are four years older than Kakashi. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:20, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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:No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
::There's a gap, that's right. Don't know how to take that into account, though. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:33, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
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::Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
No, you are not getting this. Re-read my posts... I am right. I am only stating facts here not my opinions... I did your math and my math countless times and in the end you are still wrong. Go over everything I posted again. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:00, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: chapter 674 ==
:And where exactly am I wrong? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Naruto's healing ==
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eh, what text exactly? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:17, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:It says the technique's name, doesn't it? I only have a weird version of the raw available right now, I'll check a better version when I'm back home. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:42, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ah, found it. It says 昏き雷が2人を襲う!! ''Kuraki ikazuchi ga futari o osou!!'', which means ''Dark thunder attacks the two!!''. However, this is not ''black''. 昏 comes from 氏 ''low'' and 日 ''sun'', it basically means ''dusk''. Can also be translated as ''gloomy''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:25, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::But Madaras' Yin Raiton was white... also, it most likely refers to the bad intent behind his attack, not to the colour of it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
The passage isn't in mangareader's scanlation, but in mangastream's archive site (which I'm not sure is actually maintained by them, the .to domain), you can see the scanlated part where Kakashi thinks "Must be the Nine-Tails' power". And since the scanlation probably dates back to a long time ago, the quality is rather bad, some of the kanji are still readable, and you can even see part of the kanji for nine, just above the box where that thought is written. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
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== Naruto's Stockholm Syndrome ==
:Not exactly sure. As an Uzumaki, Naruto ought to have the "potential for long life" yada, yada, yada, and since he's an Uzumaki through his mother. Only case I can think of from the top of my head that someone explicitly linked anything Naruto has with his heritage was Kurama when Naruto went Oprah "You get a chakra cloak! You get a cloak! EVERYBODY gets a chakra cloak!" with its chakra. I don't recall if there are others, but I think it stands to reason that he'd have inherited something from Kushina. I don't particularly recall anyone being against listing Naruto as having those benefits, as an Uzumaki, but my memory could be faulty. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
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As much as [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki?diff=903050&oldid=902983 this may be true], I think it's too harshly written for the article. It clearly shows your discontent with Naruto's personality which shouldn't be here. I don't want to entirely undo the edit, as I think it contains true facts. Nevertheless, as it is now, it will probably start another edit wars, so maybe we should find a solution of writing it in a more neutral term, starting with leaving out terms like "evil" or "bizarre" which reflect your own opinion about it. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 11:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Sakumo killing Sasori's parents matter ==
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== Re: Eyes ==
   
Why do you think Nagato was that old when he died? My timeline says so, too, but I have no idea why it does that, since I removed everything regarding the second WW due to missing proof. So if you can proof that Nagato was that old, it'd be awesome. Maybe I could then add it again. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 15:07, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
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None of which is conveyed in a black and white image. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:07, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
:So your whole argumentation is based on an assumption? I don't think that's enough, dude. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:45, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Where does it say that Sasori's parents died when he was younger than 5? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:00, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Could you get me a manga reference for that information? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:41, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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== Re: Part IIIOf ==
   
== Re: Archive ==
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If Sasuke ever becomes Hokage, I will ''join'' Naruto's Akatsuki lol ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 06:52, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
Yep--[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 17:35, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Then why Is my archive weird looking its not like yours where It neat and says Archive 1 ? how come? It hasn't got any links example "Archive 1" like yours --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 17:57, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Jubi forms ==
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== Kaguya's eye was once a Sharingan! ==
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Do you not realize? Sasuke was able to cast Amaterasu and Susano'o from Rinnegan and Madara was able to utilise Susano'o through his Rinnegan as well! Their Rinnegan had once been Sharingan therefore they are able to use the Sharingan's power despite them possessing a Rinnegan. If you believe Kaguya's third eye is a Rinnegn with Sharingan power you must accept that it was once a Sharingannnnnnn![[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 18:47, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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I understand but Susano'o is a Mangekyou Sharingan jutsu, Hyuga clan and Uzumaki without eyes can not use it.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 12:32, August 6, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
   
Second form is emaciated/handicapped, third form is it bulking up arms, horns etc. There's nothing special about the beast opening its mouth and showing us its penis, so it's not a fourth form.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:38, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: latest episode forum discussion ==
   
I'm kind of lost, but, if I understand you correctly, there'd be no need to represent the mouth in the gallery.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:47, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
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[[Thread:132821|Done]]. Yeah, I agree that this episode was amazing in terms of storyline and animation. Tenpenchii's scene was depicted so great and I loved it... —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]]
   
Oh, I thought they mentioned that it was transforming again that's why that was put there. Checked and didn't see it, I'll edit it to reflect that.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:58, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: 2 things ==
   
== Speculation ==
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1) No. Unless the TSB and the TBB are the same. Then yes. But the TBB as a TBB without any connection to the TSB not, no.<br />
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2) Probably. But I couldn't care less right now. Trying to figure out the mechanics behind Saiken's gas, fluids and Mei's gas. I have a hunch that they're the same. At least the gases, dunno about the fluids. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:39, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, I'm re-reading the raws for the exact words about Saiken's techniques. We have the ''strong alkaline fluid'' used in Leech Gap and the ''corroding gas'' used in Acid Scattering. Alcaline fluids are chemical bases, while the gas is most likely chemical acid. Both bases and acid are determined by their pH-level, with bases having a high level and acids having a low one. I suspect that the sticky slime field has a neutral pH-level. Now, what else works as an acid gas? That's right: Futton. I suspect that those things have a relation to each other. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Because Boil Release doesn't create slime, I guess. I'm hesistant to add it, too. I also need to figure out how Utakata's bubbles play into this. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:11, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I have only a slight idea how lime and vulcanism are related, but they are. Same goes for rubber and lava, of course.
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:::Regarding the bubbles, the answer came immediately after I hit ''Publish''. Bubbles are mostly created with soap and soap is a base. So yeah. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:37, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Ah, he called it ''Suiton'', that's right. Okay, then the bubbles are out of question, same goes for NM's oily water, I think. What now? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Well, when Mei attacked Sasuke, the latter said that his Susanoo is ''melting'' (溶ける, ''tokeru''). Hachibi uses the same word, only in its transitive form (溶く, ''toku''). Furthermore, Sasuke calls the mist ''mist of acid/acid mist'' (酸の霧, ''san no kiri'') and Mei says she needs to change the ''acidity'' (酸度, ''sando''). Over at the German wiki, I already created the article for ''Acid Ninja Techniques'', maybe I should add this. It doesn't mean that Futton and Saiken's techniques are definitely related, though. They just work the same way. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:30, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Because Mei produces mist. Mist is the result of burning a fluid (mostly water, as in Mei's case). If you burn acid water, the mist is acid, if you burn alkaline water, the mist is alkaline. (I have no idea about the Trivia in the Boil Release article, by the way). Saiken, on the other hand, produces gas and while mist is always a gas, gas isn't always mist. It's likely that Saiken does not burn water, but something else. They both use "gas ninjutsu", but only Mei uses the "mist line" of the "gas ninjutsu", so to speak. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
You need to tone down the speculation, Elve. Its fine if you want to discuss theories or ideas you have in a forum or on personal talk pages, but three times since the chapter came out, I've seen you starting new discussions (Ten-Tails classification, Naruto being a sensor, and now the Haruno clan) based on nothing but over exaggerations of canon statements and baseless speculation on your behalf. This is not a reprimand, just a reminder that we can't actually use evidence like a symbol appearing above Sakura's head (regardless of who drew it, or the circumstances) to draw any conclusions. The same about the Ten-Tails, or Naruto's abilities. There has to be concrete facts before they are added. That's why we couldn't change the Ten-Tails' classification, that's why Naruto cannot be added as a sensor, and that's why we are not going to list that symbol as proof of a "Haruno clan".
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== Re: Do you remember or can you find ==
   
It may happen that, later on down the road, Kishimoto proves your theories all right. Or, he could do a 180 and prove them all wrong. My point is that you have to have something solid before using it in an argument. Maybes, could be's, might have's, and possibly's are not things that are going to be considered for a mention on the articles. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:16, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
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Well, Sasuke used the black flames on A multiple times, but there was no reaction. Other than that, no. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau ]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:19, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
 
: Of course. I didn't want to seem like I was hunting your comments down and attacking them. I've learned the hard way that [[User:Speysider|others]] can take it like that, though that is never my intentions. Besides, I see you in a friendly light and enjoy our debates. I just want to make sure we keep speculation out of them for the good of the site. That's all. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Happy ==
 
 
I am happy with your latest message to Seelentau regarding chakra. Do you have any questions or anything you're still not sure about that I could maybe help explain? Everything about chakra and all its components gets VERY confusing, especially since there's a lot of misinformation about it (though you've shown you know more than the average). We all can still learn. =) --[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 22:59, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I agree. Is there anything still unclear to you, Elve-kun? Also [[User:Seelentau/Timeline|this]]. Might wanna read it. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 01:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I am actually quite hurt and disappointed, Elv. I was being completely earnest and amiable. I also do not know how much of chakra you understand, so I only wanted to try and help you clear any confusion that you may have about such a large topic. It is the most comprehensive and confusing thing Kish has created in regards to Naruto, in my opinion. And concerning affinities, you have displayed a bit of that confusion.
 
 
If it helps you believe, trust, and understand me more... I don't understand the Obito-Kakashi age situation. I mean, yes, I get the answer people come up with, but I haven't done the research and every time I decide I want to start, I get overwhelmed because I honestly don't know where to start, or how. And I would actually appreciate it if you would perhaps help me with that, walking me through it. Perhaps you could list it on my talk page in the way I requested Itachiwasahero do it on Seelentau's timeline page. And don't forget, we've also agreed on things that others might not, so I'm not out to get you.
 
 
To reply to the questions and everything, however -- What parts do you feel were disagreed upon? I must have missed it, because the only part I was discussing is what an affinity was =(. As for arms, legs, etc, that is a debate I've had with other Naruto-philes who do all they can to understand the lore. It seem plausible. Kakuzu's heart issues is simply explained because the heart contains a lot of chakra and vital components to a person. Using what was stored in them (the bonus chakra, nature transformation affinity (because the body naturally leans that way), etc) is what allowed him to use them. And that's the only reason why he could use affinities, because of the heart contained the information and etc. The hearts don't allow him to use others outide of their owners' affinity because it goes based solely on the body's chakra naturally leaned towards/emitted. Sure, they may have trained for others, but the body doesn't naturally do it, and it is why, even if a master in Raiton (Affinity) and Doton (Secondary), their expertise in Raiton (assuming they train it) produces larger results much more easily (and what allowed Kakuzu to use such masterful and large techniques, because he would use the heart's affinity).
 
 
As for being physical and spiritual energies, you're not incorrect as chakra is molded from physical and spiritual. But it's the chakra that determines it, and all the dialogue explicitly states it, and leaves naught to imagination. They say it (chakra) leans towards a nature, you pump chakra into the paper, the paper reacts to the nature hidden in the chakra, etc. And of course all the other dialogue. So I don't get why you think it is personality based and it explains transplants (when the only things transplanted are the body, chakra, affinity) working better.
 
 
As for Uchiha's being Katon more often than not, don't forget that there is seemingly a Rite of Passage where you're not really an Uchiha unless you can use Katon (technically they just don't consider you an adult, but I prefer my version better lol). So from that, we can gather there are some Uchiha whose affinity sometimes differs. But along with Uchiha being Kekkei Genkai oriented, we can also assume their bodies have always produced a chakra leaning towards Katon, especially if you do consider the genetics/breeding part you've mentioned in the past. I would say it's the same for Iwagakure, where they're known for their Doton, Kirigakure being known for their Suiton, Sungakure -- Fuuton, and Kumogakure -- Raiton, and in the end it really just probably ends up being all attributable to breeding/genetics and chakra leaning towards a nature being perpetuated.
 
 
As for changing affinities, there's no reason to believe that, and it's heresy. And having two affinities? Hm, I've wondered about that when it comes to people like Haku, Hashirama, etc. They need both elements, and seemingly are born with both elements in order to use their KKG. I mean we've all come to understand they need both, but I haven't seen anyone approach the idea of having two affinities from birth for them. Maybe people have, but I haven't seen it, so... no, I don't agree with changing affinities, but I do agree with some having two affinities because of KKG.--[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 14:24, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Truce. ==
 
 
I am cooled down now and I have come to this conclusion, if we completely exclude chapter 599, then Obito and Rin are 4 years older than Kakashi. if we include chapter 599 then they are 2 years older than Kakashi. It all comes down to Databook 4 to solve this issue. Right now as long as it isn't addressed by databook 4 then we are both wrong and right at the same time. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 09:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: this guy's theory/prediction ==
 
 
I did not look through all of it, but between mistranslations and just plain wrong assumptions. Even if something that guy proposed ends up happening, I don't think it'll happen how he proposed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Could you please take a look? ==
 
 
Don't know exactly what you're asking. I usually don't give much thought to the "lessons" and "teachings" of a fictional world, I'm much more interested in its mythology and how it works. If you wrote about that, I'd be able to give you a much better feedback. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Naruto Fandom wiki ==
 
hey elv-san would you like to join Naruto Fandom Wiki we need more creative people to come and Interact at the moment the wiki's growing very successfully --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 16:08, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re:please ==
 
 
I used it the same as one would "dude" or "man", but I'm a girl and always use it anyways when speaking to someone. I just delved into my personality a little bit and used it, lol. But I won't use it, despite not having used it before with you for all this time. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 16:09, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Lol it's okay. I wouldn't speak to you like that, especially after all the discussions we've had. But just incase you missed my other announcement to you, I am the anon you would always debate with.--[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 16:44, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: latest chapter opinion ==
 
   
I liked it because stuff happened. Sakura does indeed seem to be getting serious, but I'll only believe it when it happens. I found Sasuke's sudden ambition to become Hokage rather poorly done. If anything, I thought he would simply give up on destroying the village, save it to honour Itachi's wishes, and then he'd keep a distance. He'd protect it, but we would keep a distance, due to his resentment. Regarding Minato, I get how what happened would be possible, but I feel it cheapened his character. The great thing about Minato is that he was simply gifted, I feel that giving him that chakra mode feels like a crutch to his abilities, when he clearly shouldn't need one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:34, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
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== Apology ==
:I was sad that minato didn't retrieve the toad contract with Jiraiya's blood on it and have orochimaru summon him. He is the only missing link in teacher student lineage ;( — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 00:51, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Make an archive ==
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I owe you a personal apology. I had not seen the talk page on Seel's Magnet Release page so I was unaware a new consensus had been reached. Please forgive my reversions and my wrongful blocking of you. Had I seen that first (the link only lead to the page itself), I wouldn't have reacted so rashly, but that is my fault for not looking into it further. Again, you have my deepest apologies. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:46, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hey I would like to know how do I make an archive on my talk page. [[User:Inoyamanaka98|Inoyamanaka98]] ([[User talk:Inoyamanaka98|talk]]) 19:38, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98
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==Re: Confused==
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Just to make sure they respond. A lot of things on talkpages go unnoticed, and I'm not the patient type. And I'm not disputing your theory, I'm just really confused on it. I know Kaguya is the TT, but still... And I'll eventually bring it to a talkpage if need be... [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 21:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thank you. [[User:Inoyamanaka98|Inoyamanaka98]] ([[User talk:Inoyamanaka98|talk]]) 19:47, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98
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== TSB Article ==
   
== Timeline ==
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With the end of the Scale Powder discussion, I could not find any actual reason to believe the Truth-Seeking Balls were used in the creation of the Rasenshuriken.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:19, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Btw if you are still making a timeline, the chunin exams are held on the 1st of july, idk if that is the first of the year or the second time in the year, but that was what hiruzen said when konoha 12 took were about to take exams. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:25, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
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:Probably not.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:56, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
Oh, and Idk if it was just the exam the 12 took or what but there is a month gap between the last part of the exam and the other parts, so it ends in august. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:27, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
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::I try.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:00, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: feedback ==
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== Re: Kaguya six paths senjutsu ==
   
I don't think it's possible to discuss serious stuff with most of the people here. The case of Kakashi's age taught me that. Almost no one here is able to accept that they eventually could be wrong with what they're thinking. You're basically talking against walls most of the time. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:53, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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You said somewhere that the SPS was stated to be the mother technique for the TSB (in the manga). Do you remember where exactly? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:13, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:But then it's not because of the TT, but because of the 9TB. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:30, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::It's not the same thing. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:37, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
== On the Obito thing again ==
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No answer? :( [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:14, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
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:But it is relevant. The TT is not the sum of all tailed beasts, because the tailed beasts are more than simple parts of the TT. They're their own living beings with each their own mind and body. Their personalities are their own, not part of Kaguya's will or so. That's why it's necessary to differ between [because of the TT] and [because of the 9TB]. You get the SPS when you have or had all 9TB in your body at one point, not if you had the TT in your body. Because Naruto, who has the SPS, never had the Gedo Mazo in his body, which is obviously part of the TT. In turn, saying that Kaguya has the SPS because she's the TT's "host" is wrong. She has the SPS because of the nine beasts inside her, not because of the TT as a whole. Do you get that?^^ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:54, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
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::I don't disagree, but I'm against adding her simply because we know jackshit about what is what and what is not. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 08:54, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Because this case is different than the Tobigate. This time, we have no complete explanation regarding what the Six Paths Senjutsu are. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Becoming the Ten-Tails' jinch grants Six Paths Senjutsu. - That is wrong, as I explained above. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:30, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The 9 TB are more than simple fragments of the TT's chakra. Having the 9 TB in ones body, one does not have the TT in his body. The TT is an entirely different entity, because it never had the personalities of each TB. That's why you can't attribute the SPS to the TT, but only to the 9TB. Naruto also never was the TT's Jinchuriki, hm? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:51, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
The only info that supports Obito being 33-34 is the grad age numbers, but ONLY if you look at those alone. That's it. Chapter 599 and the Databooks Registration Numbers and Number Ages, combined with Grad Ages support Obito being 32-33 current time, I just don't understand why you don't see that Elve.. it's a mystery to me. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 15:34, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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...I can't. I'm feeling like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7K0ufoX-dOI#t=10 this]... especially what he's saying at 00:30... goddamnit [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 11:49, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:The complete TT as it was years ago didn't include the TB chakras, because the TB didn't exist at that point. Imagine it like this: You have dough and you split that dough up. Then you form little buns out of the dough and add raisins to one dough, grains of salt to another and so on. Then you put all the buns together again. Now you have the original dough, but with raisins, salt grains and other things. That's what happened with the Tailed Beasts and the Ten Tails. So what I'm saying is that it's not the TT that allows the use of SPS, but the 9TB. There's a slight difference which is important nonetheless.
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:I wrote a [[User:Seelentau/RTS#Is_SPS_the_mother_technique_for_TSB_or_can_one_have_TSB_without_using_SPS.3F|little bit]], but I can't think any further. I have no sugar available. :/ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::Then it still would not be necessary to be the TT Jinchuriki. You can use the SPS without it, Naruto is the living proof. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:15, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::It mustn't be from the TT, it must be from the 9TB. Otherwise, Naruto wouldn't be able to use the SPS. So yes, Kaguya is most likely a user of SPS, since she has the same TB in her that Naruto and the others have. However, this doesn't confirm that the TSB are part of the SBS. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:31, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Hmm ==
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== TSB ==
   
I would agree on that, but the only thing Kishi has addressed was the stone face prob in the shonen jump and fixed it in a later in chapter mosaic, is the tankobon release out yet for chapter 599? and how many errors have been fixed in it? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:04, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Let's get a few things straight. One, I don't give a damn what you think is stupid. I haven't edited in the last few hours specifically to avoid involving myself in your nonsense, due to TU3's wise advice, and now you're pestering me on my talk page. Don't. I don't care. Secondly, I'm not adding her as a user because she's not one. If the consensus is to remove SPS as a parent then you have two options; ask another sysop to remove it or wait 4 hours until I get home from my job and I will happily do so myself. Take your pick, it won't ruffle my jimmies either way. Lastly, you and I need to stay faaar away from each other so I'd suggest finding another user to call names and argue with on a constant basis because I, good sir, am at the limits of my patience. If that concludes our business here, I sincerely bid you a good day and ask that you direct any further inquiries to another sysop. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 13:23, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
== hokage monument stuff ==
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== Opinions needed ==
   
Susanoo thing is in the trivia, not too sure why either. Hanzō and the other manga images are an entirely different thing- that's just how it was decided to handle it. For the monument, there's no need to show an entirely correct depiction of a landmark and then show what the anime's done to it. It's not like it's in black and white. The hawk thing I agree with, but the last time I changed it, it was reverted, so I think you'll have to bring that up on the talkpage.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:37, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
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[[Shu]] talk page [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Your skills are required ==
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== Re: Harassment ==
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It's harassment because TTF asked you quite specifically not to message him and to direct your problems to someone else, yet you messaged him anyway. Secondly, stop saying "sysop status abuse", the sysop flag is '''not''' a status symbol, the flag simply gives him some extra tools to help the wiki as a whole, he doesn't have supreme authority over anyone else. While you might be being honest, I feel that the constant talkpage discussions that go on for days are starting to drag down the wiki and make it impossible for anyone to do anything. You can tell that Omnibender has left the wiki, let's not scare off any more people. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 12:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
「長門は千手の血統で外道魔像をマダラ以外に口寄せできる唯一の人物なのさ」<br />
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== Hi ==
"Nagato wa Senju no Kettō de Gedō Mazō o Madara igai ni Kuchiyose dekiru Yuiitsu no Jinbutsu nano sa"<br />
 
"Since Nagato descends from the Senju lineage, he's aside from Madara the only person who's capable of summoning the Gedō Mazō"<br />
 
[[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:00, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No, the literal translation would be "Nagato is a lineage of Senju" or so, but that would be senseless. Since you descend from a lineage, I've chosen that wording. You could simply say "Nagato is from the Senju lineage", though. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:15, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
::No, 降りる isn't used but I don't see why it should be? Does the meaning of the whole sentence changes when you use 'descends' instead of 'of' or 'from'? Whatever wording you choose, the meaning stays the same: Nagato and the Uzumaki clan are part of the Senju lineage. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:08, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Could you get me a raw for chapter 303? I only found the tankōbon raw where the text was deleted. Since the God Gate Jutsu seals aways the movements of the target, I'd say it's a sealing technique. Why would it be a barrier? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:10, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, I found that one, too. But it's still missing the raw text about the century-stuff. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:01, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Unless I have a raw I can't take that into account. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:08, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
On an unrelated note, please explain to me why you think Black Zetsu is to White Zetsu what Bijū are to the Jūbi. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 20:15, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
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May I ask what the come on was for, I think i wrote those perso sections pretty well. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:27, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
:I thought there was more behind it... well, good for me, though. I don't think you understand what exactly happened in both instances. There are slight differences between the Jūbi issue and the Zetsu issue. Black Zetsu wasn't made out of nothing, but out of White Zetsu and Madara's will. White Zetsu wasn't split like the Jūbi's chakra was, but created by cultivating Hashirama Senju's cells. It could be that White Zetsu was created with Yang Release. I know Madara said he created White Zetsu with YYR, but I can't think how that would fit with the rest of it. Furthermore, Madara's will would be Yin Release, wouldn't it? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:48, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::mmh, wouldn't you say that Black Zetsu was created ''with'' White Zetsu, while the TB were created ''from'' Jūbi? Like this:
 
::Jūbi => Chakra and body parted => Chakra parted in nine parts and given life with YYR
 
::Hashiramas DNA => cultivated/formed with YinR => given life with YangR = WZ => WZ given "will" with YinR = BZ
 
::It seems to me that the Jūbi issue was kind of a separation, while the Zetsu issue was kind of a construction. The RS's doing goes from big (Jūbi) to small (Bijū), while Madara's doing goes from small (Hashi's cells) to big (Zetsu). [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:23, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Where am I wrong, then? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:37, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Madara didn't do any body forming when making BZ, did he? He did only mind forming, so only YangR. The body - White Zetsu - was already there. So where's the YYR? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:53, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::And there we have your mistake: BZ was created by pouring Madara's will into WZ's body. There was no glueing together, because there'd have to be two different bodies for that and he didn't grow from WZ body, either. BZ is like the evil side of Harvey Dent/Two-Face. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:16, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::The problem is that WZ never had half his side missing. His arm and one eye were missing, but BZ isn't an artifical body. Check chapter 606, you can clearly see Madara's will crawling over WZ's body and on the next page that he even had a white leg before the will covered it and made it black. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::::It isn't YYR when there's no YinR involved. Also, Madara even said that Obito could take the ones created with YYR as his pawns, referring to the WZ. He didn't include BZ there for a reason. BZ and WZ were made separate entities by Madara, they were one WZ at the beginning. The Madara came and infused his will (YangR) into half of WZ's body and thus made BZ as a Mini-Me or so. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:45, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
That's a different topic :D I'm of course agreeing with you when it comes to the creation of the White Zetsus, that was YYR. But I don't know if it was BS, maybe Madara used YYR in a different way? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 17:10, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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oh...sorry about that. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:47, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
:Please don't jump to any conclusions with that. Madara is a YYR user, but no confirmed BS user. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:23, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: welcome back ==
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== Re: apparently :-/ ==
Haha, thanks, I've been following Naruto but haven't been on the wikia much, as you can see. I just saw the movie and thought I'd add some information. I've just been so busy that I haven't been able to show up much around here. I'll probably come back when Kishi reveals some more detail on chakra natures, haha. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 03:31, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Not too sure about those points in general, but I do think that the original Orochimaru was still sealed into the Sword. I'm not 100% sure how this all works overall, but I imagine it something like the mechanics for teleportation in shows like ''Stark Trek'' - The original person is destroyed and a copy containing an identical set of information is created elsewhere. Not exactly the same situation, but something like that. For example, if a soul is defined to be a singular entity residing in a certain set of information unique to an individual, then I guess you could say the original Orochimaru's soul now resides in this newly generated body. If not, this is just another Orochimaru with the same body and memories, who thinks he is Orochimaru, and in many ways, he IS Orochimaru now, since he is no different from the original besides continuity. It's somewhat confusing when you dig into the technical level. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 04:18, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
Interesting point, but that snake doesn't go to the Mountain's Graveyard to become Orochimaru, does it? I think it's some form of foreshadowing if anything at all. Unless you're correct and he somehow kept his consciousness free of the illusion. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 17:31, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Haha, but not much more information was added to the page; it was more of an update to brush things up. I think laying off the whole elements thing has cleared my mind quite a bit, and has been very helpful. I mean, when one keeps going at it at that sort of thing, one starts spitting out all sorts of forced-in, nonsensical ideas that don't even sound like elements. I'm still not sure if the Lava Releases are actually supposed to be different, since the anime portrayed lava for [[Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique]] but the Japanese wikipedia still lists her Yōton as Corrosion Release (溶遁) and says it produces viscous acid slime which can harden... For now, I'm going with it being lava, since Kishi would have already raged if it was supposed to be acidic slime but the anime creators made it lava. For the different usages of Lava Release, my opinion is that it differs like a basic element would. Asuma used ash for [[Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning]] and dust for [[Wind Release: Dust Cloud Technique]], which has not been done by other shinobi. Likewise, many variations on the basic elements have been seen, and it is likely that advanced natures simply have such variations as well; we just don't see them as often because you need kekkei genkai to use them. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 01:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Leave me out of those discussions please. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 17:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: strength of a hundred seal ==
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== Re: I'm Clueless ==
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Since in fiction, words and definitions are distorted for many different purposes. Im pretty sure anyone who fights like Killer Bee or Ay, wouldn't be considered "ninja", ''universally''. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 16:05, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
I explained how it works on the YS:R talk page. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Hamura (Koto) ==
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Yea, that's what I realised right before I deleted it. And the staff too would have probably been what caught most peoples eye, but like you said, there are too many different possible reasons how he could have gotten it. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 16:48, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
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== re: explanation ==
   
== Blown Away ==
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I gathered that. But, like, why "Bob"?
Whoa i must admit {Elveonora} i wasen't really expecting that from you and it must have been alot of work on your part and i must say i actually agree with you now on many things.I must say that that many people may be very impressed with your theory's and progress.But i just started on this wiki today so im still a novice but ounce people see this im positive people will be just as impressed as i was.[[User:Whiteraven1|Whiteraven1]] ([[User talk:Whiteraven1|talk]]) 19:29, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
==RE: Page merger==
 
I'm all for a page merger, but we don't do votes here. I agree with your point of locks and keys not having same name or whatnot. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 19:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi ==
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I realize TheUltimate3 way being unhelpful about the issue, but this is the sort of thing [[Narutopedia:Sysop Requests]] is for: to request assistance for things you can't do on your own. So, instead of needing to attempt the Bob workaround (although I'm surprised that didn't work), you ask a sysop to move the page for you. Evidently TU3 wouldn't have done so, but Jacce was online, for instance. And now I am. So... '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:46, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
I think that IS Shape Transformation.. {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|13:27, 6/4/2013}}
 
   
== Chunin Exam Info ==
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:Infoboxes will update on their own eventually. Or you can make a null edit to the effected articles.
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:As for the split, all you need to do is edit [[Shinju]] (or [[God Tree]], I might argue), replacing the redirect with tree-related content. Sysop assistance should officially be no longer needed. If I'm wrong, then I'll render support when I'm able. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:56, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hiruzen says "any genins you want to enter into the chunin exams?" in chapter 35 page 5, that means actual teams dont have to enter together, and that gai, ebisu and the other guy might have just been a makeshift temporary team for the team section of the exams. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 13:44, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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::It has sentience, so I suppose it technically is a character. My own inclination would be to treat it as a standard phenomenon and skip the infobox. But it's up to you and others. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:02, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok so in chapter 38 Kakashi claims the test can only be taken by teams of 3, it's weird Hiruzen would lie about it. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 14:11, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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:::I'd recommend going through [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Shinju]], make sure links go to the right article. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:45, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::::^ still this please. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:04, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: age estimates ==
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==Re: thank you a lot==
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No prob. You're welcome. Although I'm doing all of this from my phone, I'm in a car at the moment, so it'll take a while. But I got you. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:21, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:Driving and being on my phone? Lol I would never do that. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
   
Too much room for error, I think. For example, Killer B and Motoi, we list their ages because there are fewer indicatives, which give a precise age. The only concrete thing about Minato's age I know, without going through several comparisons, is that he was not 30 yet. I think the more comparisons and things we have to compare, the less reliable the end result will be. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:15, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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== re:your opinion ==
:Where was that stuff about Minato not being 30 years old said? o: [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:05, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::ah, I see. Minato was born at most 31 years before Naruto's birth. Team Minato was established 9 years bNb, meaning Minato was at most 22 years old (31-9=22). He became Hokage 1 year bNb at the age of at most 30 years old and died at the age of 31. I'm saying "at most" all the time because he was younger than Kakashi, but we only have Kakashi's age to calculate with. Am I wrong somewhere? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:56, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Was he? Why do you think so? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:07, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Kabuto question ==
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I WOULD...
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elve...I appreciate that you're very active and caring about this wiki...but with all due respect, please stay out of my conversations with other people...I got Ur opinion on the talk page...now I want other people's opinions...
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anyway...thanx 4 Ur time... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 13:03, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
As I understand it, after Danzō decided to dispose of Kabuto, Orochimaru decided to keep him, having taken an interest in him long ago. I don't know what happened after Orochimaru took Kabuto under his wing. We didn't see what happened. All we know is that Kabuto kept working for Orochimaru ever since. The fake backstory would work for the general population and shinobi of Konoha, but Root would know. There are gaps to be filled. Maybe Orochimaru presented a fake body, or maybe Danzō figured that he wouldn't go through it because he suspected Orochimaru already had plans to leave the village (if that happened around the time Minato became Hokage), but it still wouldn't make sense for him not to take action against Kabuto. Maybe he figured that having someone he knew near Orochimaru would be interesting in the long run. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:30, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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well...the TT's rinnegan icon got fixed EXACTLY after I PMed omnibender...donno if it was a coincidence or not...at least I get to know others ideas... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 13:30, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Katsuyu ==
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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...U won't give up on me will U...got a crush on me or sth :]?
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in every god damn scanlation it's written they merged...this wiki says melded...or incarnated together...nowhere is said she incarnated into it...or it incarnated into her... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 20:54, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
I can't really tell, I don't speak Japanese to associate words and such to traditionally feminine traits. Even them, it's not something as clear cut. If I'm not mistaken, Orochimaru commonly uses "watashi" to refer to himself, and watashi is traditionally feminine as well. ShounenSuki gave a list of some of those gender things once, including names that are traditionally associate with genders. I think Gaara's name is also traditionally used for women as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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the only thing we know about the original shinju before incarnation was an image that hagoromo showed to naruto which is similar in nothing to the tree obito summoned...that tree is a form of TT...not the original shinju before merging or incarnation or whatever...rinnegan was first manifested in kaguya...possibly beside byakugan...I don't think she had them before eating the fruit...but that's irrelevant here...then after the merging or incarnation the TT got it from her...donno why it didn't get byakugan too...this is irrelevant too...the point is...we have no evidence that the original shinju had rinnegan...therefore listing it in its infobox is wrong in my opinion...the only trait or feature that shinju had was its fukkin fruit...& I can't edit it simply because I'm the only one thinking this way...a majority of the people here should vote their opinions too... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 21:18, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think you take things too literal sometimes. Zetsu noted that Nagato was from the Senju lineage (the Uzumaki). That's what the section was meant to convey, not that he had direct Senju blood. Still, the issue should be fixed now I believe yes?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:19, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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then we should either separate the original shinju's article form the one obito summoned...or reomve the rinnegan from the one exsting now...the rinnegan infobox is misleading info there... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 21:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Oro Zetsu stuff ==
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== Re: pure land ==
   
You can skip the sugarcoating :D Can you tell me the chapter and page number where that happens? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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Don't know. Haku and Zabuza didn't remember anything, did they? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:09, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
:There are many discussions going on in the last weeks, huh? Well, to answer your question, the sound effect when Oro leaves his body is ドプッ ''dopu'', which is most likely a mistake. I think Kishi meant to write ドピュ ''dopyu'', which means ''spurting'', in this case of Oro's blood. The next one is ズッ ''Zu'', simply illustrating Oro's movement. The last one is ズズ ''Zuzu'', which is a "SFX for a slow maneuver, usually to emphasize and dramatize something deadly or of high importance/impact about to happen" http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/browse/zu/ :) [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:26, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I haven't read that discussion because I don't think most of the people here are able to actually discuss things. I also don't want to know what you're discussing, because I simply don't care. As it was with Suki-senpai, I'm not interested in Naruto that much. I'm doing this because I have fun translating stuff, not because I like the manga that much. The only interesting things about it is all the "background stuff", how chakra works and all this. The actual story is crap and I'm reading it only because I want to know how it ends. Well, sorry about this text :D Anything else I can help you with? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:39, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I'm currently following Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Gantz, Fairy Tail, Manga Love Story, Soul Eater, Soul Eater Not!, Deadman Wonderland, Toriko, Aiki and Shingeki no Kyojin. But I guess the problem with Naruto is that I kind of over-analyzed it. I lost the fun reading it after working with it that much because I can't read it like a random manga anymore. So it's probably a bit my own fault. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:28, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::It happened ove a longer period of time. I'm still interested in the stuff behind the scenes, but not in the actual story. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:07, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Nah, I'm not going to leave you all alone. I'll do as much as my life allows me to do and also, compared to the German Narutopedia, this one is heaven. We've almost no editors over there so it became kind of my own project. But it's boring editing stuff when no one else does, that's why I'm working here most of the time. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:05, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Happy Birthday ==
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== profile page ==
   
Thank you. ^_^ [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 15:29, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Sorry if you feel like im intruding but why don't you have a profile page. i mean you have been a user for a while now and it would really help people get to know you a bit. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 08:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks again. B| [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 16:19, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Why ask me if it makes you a better editor lol. I was just wondering because a lot of the users have an about me section and I was looking forward to reading yours. I have one. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 08:53, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Orochimaru's characterization ==
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Okay, i appreciate that your honest. But cab I ask you what you think the profile page here is for then? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 09:11, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
He has either an ulterior motive, or is using ulterior means to his same old motive. He got smart enough to notice that trying to achieve his goals the way he was doing was like pissing against the wind. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:05, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
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Thank you for your time, i appreciate it. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 09:21, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: red chakra ==
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== Kudos ==
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Please do not kudos your own posts, it looks silly and is meant for use on other people's posts. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:40, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
   
You'll never hear me state that the anime never counts, or agree to it. Long before you arrived on these shores it was manga, anime high so long it doesn't contradict manga, OVAs follow the same road as anime but less so, then movie and games.
 
   
With that out of the way, even if you want to ignore the anime, two completely different beasts having the same color chakra does in fact set a precedent. Until we are given a reason that this is ''wrong'' other than the all to common drivel of "uh we dunno lol!" then it is ''right''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:31, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
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==Evidence==
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http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537667 Use this! The first point is invalid though.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:41, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
   
== Re: Chapter 635 raw images ==
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== Re: Seelentau's Analysis ==
   
Aye, now we need Seelentau to translate. Then we can proceed from there.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:39, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Pretty much all of it. I would elaborate, but reliops' opinion on the subject is pretty much in agreement with mine. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 15:57, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: community poll ==
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== Re: Regarding Naruto's Natures ==
   
What... are you talking about? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:23, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Wrong. In the anime filler, had you bothered to watch, you'd see he combined Fuuton with Suiton. He didn't give them Wind Release. He wasn't a tailed beast and he wasn't sealed inside of them. Naruto can use the tailed beast's abilities because of the very fact that he is a jinchūriki, same as any jinchūriki can. That's just a fact. Han can use Steam Ninjutsu, Gaara can use Sand, Bee can use Ink, the list goes on and on, and you only want to separate Naruto out because you are dead set against adding ''anything to him'', even if you're wrong. When are you going to get it? The infoboxes don't display the natures Naruto painstakingly learned himself. It shows the natures he's been shown using. Guess what? If Son Gokū gives him Lava and Naruto applies, he used Lava Release! That's all there is to it. The Truth-Seeking Balls are a ''Tailed Beast Skill''. Only those with the all nine or the Ten-Tails could ever use them. If that's a fact, then does it really matter if Naruto painstakingly learned all five natures and yin-yang? Hell no. They come from his connection to the Bijuu chakras inside of him. He's still using those natures. He may have help doing so, but for the longest time he needed help creating a Rasengan. Should he have been unlisted as a user of that too?
   
Oh, the poll. I never saw it. Fixed~ --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:41, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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This is all in light of a fact that I really wish you would stop showing up to butt in on conversations I start with other people. I tried talking to Seel to finally put this TSB mess behind us, because God knows you are going to fight tooth and nail to say that four versions (five if you count the Sage) of the exact same technique are different elemental combinations, despite ''four times'' being confirmed Yin-Yang (Obito, Madara negated Minato's other arm, Kaguya, and we know Hagoromo had all natures), so why the hell is Naruto any different? Because you refuse to accept it. That's the only difference. We were told that they consist of four or more natures, we now know five are needed (I count Yin-Yang as one since it was listed Inyo, not Yin and Yang). Nothing has contradicted. The only thing that seems fishy is Obito not negating Edo Tensei for one chapter, in which he manifested two (rather than 10) TSB, and used an uncontroled version of the technique. But how is that any different than Naruto's Rasenshuriken? He couldn't control it at first, he couldn't throw it, so it harmed him. Now he can throw it and use it at its full potential. I fail to see how that's any different but somehow, good lord, you do.
   
== Re: volume 65 cover ==
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If none of this makes you think, then I'm done arguing it. Eventually the databooks will come around, or Kishi will confirm it ''again'' in the Naruto/Sasuke fight. I just hope that at some point, you open your eyes and see it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 14:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
I've sort of given a description in the edit summary. And actually, I can give a site: http://www.shonenjump.com/j/comics/. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:01, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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:: I can tell you to stay out of my conversations, and I will tell you that you are no longer to message me on my talk page. We're done here. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I did stay out of the topic between you and Seel. But you can't ban others from reading that and continuing it in another topic, especially since the topic at hand pertains the whole wikia, not just the two of you. The topic is nothing personal of yours, if you felt like it was, then you should have taken that over to Skype or Facebook. Now you have proven that you aren't a person to be taken seriously one bit--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:02, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: white snake possession ==
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== SPS & Rinnegan ==
   
He says that "otherwise, my snakes will bind you, enter from your mouth and take over your bodies". Don't ask me if he or his snakes enter their bodies, I don't know. :/ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:26, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
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You remember how Madara talked about Naruto gaining the SPS and Sasuke the Rinnegan? He put those powers on some kind of scale, so to speak. They're equivalent powers, two sides of the same coin. What for Naruto is the SPS, for Sasuke is the Rinnegan.<br />
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Now, flash forward: Hagoromo said in the latest chapter how Naruto has all tailed beast chakras and Sasuke has the Rinnegan. I believe that he did the same as Madara and we have our answer as to what the SPS actually is: all nine tailed beasts chakras in one person. No TT stuff, no Kaguya stuff, just a (pseudo) jinchuriki of all TB.<br />
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Whatcha think? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Was it actually confirmed that the SPS and Rinnegan come from Hagoromo's power? Because remember, Kabuto healed Sasuke with Hashi's cells and Naruto received the missing TB. Furthermore, Madara, who has the same powers, did not meet Hagoromo, but did receive Hashi's cells and the TB. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Hagoromo gave them his yin/yang chakra, which resulted in the seals. As I said, there's nothing that confirms he gave the SPS/Rinnegan and Madara having the exact same powers without meeting Hagoromo basically confirms it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I actually saw your message and answered quickly. ^^ Anyways, if 9TB+x results in SPS, Naruto can't have SPS because he's missing the x. And how does the last chapter suggest that Hagoromo has to do with the SPS and the Rinnegan? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:23, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Ah, that... hmmm, if I recall correctly, he gave both of his sons equal powers, but only Indra inherited his strong chakra, right? Hagoromo said so when he talked to Naruto, I believe. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Not "gift" in a sense of a birth presentor so. :D You know how they say someone's been "gifted with intelligence" or so? It's the same here. But you're going too far into speculation, mate. Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:48, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Giving power to someone mustn't mean you do it actively. But maybe he meant how he chose Ashura to be his successor, giving him power over the Ninshu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Now I'm confused. :D Let's get back to the main question please: Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: eye integration 0_0 ==
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== Six Paths ==
   
Shounensuki was asked a while back about this, he noted that both were used.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:58, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm working on a list of all the different terms that use "Six Paths". So far I have:
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* Rikudō Sennin (六道仙人)
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* Rikudō Senjutsu (六道仙術)
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* Rikudō no Chakura (六道のチャクラ)
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* Rikudō no Chikara (六道の力)
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* Rikudō no In no Chikara (六道の陰の力) and Rikudō no Yō no Chikara (六道の陽の力)
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* Rikudō Chibaku Tensei (六道地爆天星)
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* Rikudō no Jutsu (六道の術)
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* Pain Rikudō (ペイン六道)
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What did I miss? I didn't include the Sage's tools, for obvious reasons. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:I wish you would just answer my questions and not throw in some speculation all the time. :D And even if all of those refers to Hagoromo, he himself was the Sage of Six Paths. He wouldn't be a sage of himself, would he? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:01, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I forgot the ''Six Paths Sage Chakra'' Naruto used against Madara's clone. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:10, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I don't really want to discuss those uncertain things anymore. The last time it ended with me almost leaving the wiki. So here's my opinion on those things:<br />
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:::No, nature releases (Inton and Yoton) were never mentioned in that context. But if I recall correctly, Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke chakra, so it's likely the chakra's yin/yang power they meant, meaning they received yin/yang-chakra, which equals Inton and Yoton.
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:::I don't think there's a manga definition for the term "pseudo jinchuriki", huh? So since it's our definition, we can change it around as we need to.
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:::I personally don't think that Naruto's TSB has all natures. So yeah, I can't say anything about that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:30, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you can use hair trimmings to replicate cells and fix holes in someone's body I doubt the integration of eyes is a far cry from that. Why else would one sibling/person need to go around blind if they could just swap eyes and be done with it. However the procedure is done, if it's an integration literally how it sounds or not the bottom line is you don't have any eyes left over for other people after this. Else I don't see why Obito wouldn't have taken Sasuke's hand-me-downs for example.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:11, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Naruto, Kaguya, the SPS, and the TSB ==
   
== Re: how could... ==
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I have some thoughts regarding these that I'd like to run by you and see what you think. If we come to a reasonable conclusion, then we can bring them to the site at large, so let's try to leave speculation out of this as much as possible. The fact of the matter is, against each other, we're our own worst enemies: together, though, we could get shit done on this wiki. Of that, there is no question in my mind. So here's my thought process:
   
I don't know. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:25, July 5, 2013 (UTC)
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* Recently, Hagoromo noted a similarity in Naruto and Kaguya: both possess the chakra of the nine tailed beasts. Obviously, their chakra was originally Kaguya's, so she'd naturally have it. Naruto gained it by receiving it from the beasts themselves.
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** In that regard, Hagoromo says that Naruto and his mother are the same, though he doesn't think he'll turn out like Kaguya.
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* We know that the [[Six Paths Sage Technique]] is likely a result of [[senjutsu]] chakra combining with the the chakra of the nine tailed beasts.
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** We know this because the [[Ten-Tails]] is made of natural energy and possess the chakra of all nine tailed beasts: the result is its jinchūriki automatically obtain the SPS.
   
Jashin is a deity, we have never seen him, only his doing. I don't know if that counts as evidence of his existence, though. I'd say yes.<br />
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'''Conclusion''': From that alone, I can reasonably connect Kaguya's TSB with Naruto's. I agree with you on one regard: Naruto does not ''himself'' have use of all five basic natures and Yin-Yang. He can only use wind and Yang on his own (even before he got the mark, Naruto could manipulate Yang chakra through [[Nine-Tails Chakra Mode]], as that is what turned the White Zetsu into trees). Now, here's where its crucial to follow me through:
The Shinigami is created through the Shiki Fujin and not a real entity floating around in another plane of existence. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:37, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I was busy the last few weeks, but now I've summer holidays and a bit of time at hand. I have no valid source for what I said, though. It's just my logical assumption. If he was a real entity, the Shiki Fujin would be a Summoning Jutsu, right? But it was never labeled as such, so... [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:19, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
::It's always the same Shinigami being created, that's why the souls are always with him. But by the logic of the new Narutopedia, we should create an article for the summoning of the Shinigami, since he isn't created with Shiki Fūjin, hm? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:30, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::As I said, if we consider him being a real entity, existing in another plane of reality, we'd have at least label him as a Summoning, if not creating an unnamed technique for his summoning. Or that's what the new NP would do now. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:39, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::It's just that the edits/discussions based on speculation took over in the last months. It's good that this is changing again. Anywaaaay, do you still have any question or unresolved matter? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:59, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::I don't like overused memes :D I can translate the databook entry for Fukasaku if you want me to~ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:15, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
「自然と共生し、練り上げてきたチャクラは、齢800歳を超えながら衰えを知らず。」<br />
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* The TSB are a Tailed Beast Skill; they require the chakras of the beasts to function. Therefore, if Naruto uses them, which he does, we can accept that the tailed beast chakra helps them even without him directly asking for those natures. After all, Minato says that the balls are instantaneous. They form absent of the user's will, which explains why Naruto never asked for help creating them.
"Shizen to kyōseishi, neriagete kita chakura wa, yowai 800 sai o koe nagara otoroe o shirazu."<br />
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** Matatabi possesses '''Fire'''.
"Co-existing with the nature, the chakra he kneads exceeds 800 years while being unaffected by a weakening."<br />
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** Isobu possesses '''Water'''.
Or so... I don't know if that's 100% correct, though. To me it sounds like "by co-existing with the nature he kneads chakra since 800 years, not being affected by weakening" or so, meaning that he's 800 years old and still able to knead chakra. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:28, July 23, 2013 (UTC)
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** Naruto himself already possesses '''Yang''' and '''Wind'''.
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** Either Chōmei or Gyūki possess '''Lightning''' — it doesn't matter which because we know Madara gained lightning chakra for his [[Storm Release]] from the Ten-Tails chakra.
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* Son Gokū possesses '''Earth'''.
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* Yin Kurama, which was within Naruto at the time, possesses '''Yin'''.
   
== Re: Tobirama... ==
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From this alone, Naruto has all the components to make up the [[kekkei mōra]] of the [[Truth-Seeking Ball]]. Like I said, he doesn't have to mold them himself because Mintao claims that they are instantaneously created, and as a tailed beast skill, their chakra is already involved in the creation, so their elements would be present. Does this make any sense? I'm taking this a step at a time. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:53, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
I've known this since forever. I remember when people called him the "fodder Hokage". Naruto's always an idiot to me, dunno what to make of that. I don't think Minato's technique is being overhyped it seems more deliberate than anything else to be used as a gimmick/comic relief especially with a name like that. If logic was presented in every story, there would have been no need for Harry to be the chosen one in a world where you say two words and someone dies, or the wasted trip to Mount Doom when there were giant eagles all along or any logical reason why someone didn't murder all the Lannisters sooner... You have to play by the rules that authors make.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:53, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Minato's imperfection is quite refreshing to me, you can't be entirely perfect. As the great scientist Mayuri Kurotsuchi said: perfection is boring. I'd be fine with getting more history about people like that. Minato's not a jinchūriki though. I never expected him to really be putting the chakra to much/the same use as Naruto. Then again this battle looks nowhere near finished. What I find interesting is what Sasuke hoped to accomplish with his Susanoo defence when before the lance destroyed its hand? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:35, July 31, 2013 (UTC)
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== Discussion ==
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Excuse the interruption, but I was wondering what I did incorrectly with that discussion I posted. Should I have linked it to some other page? --[[User:Plane in the Desert|Plane in the Desert]] ([[User talk:Plane in the Desert|talk]]) 16:03, September 17, 2014 (UTC)Plane in the Desert

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Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation Edit

Just like The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu's episode or even better. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.

Re: Hamura Edit

Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura symbol Edit

But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Merging Discussion Edit

Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in Will Materialisation's talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with Banbutsu Sōzō. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Re:Raws Edit

I have no idea. • Seelentau 愛 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: age Edit

I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple (talk) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Enton Edit

So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • Seelentau 愛 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • Seelentau 愛 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • Seelentau 愛 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • Seelentau 愛 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: latest chapter opinion Edit

Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple(talk) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: your feedback Edit

I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: what do you think? Edit

You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.

The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?" and "I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority." Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.

  1. While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I understand you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
  2. Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.

Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually agree with your theory, but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.

Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.

You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has only a Rinnegan comes from the speculation that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to Madara and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. All Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because all of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as Sharingan. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "natural evolution". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "what lies beyond the Sharingan" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.

Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.

Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.

Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC) Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: 681 scans Edit

Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: almost forgot about this Edit

Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: confirmed Edit

Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara again? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
Very true. True enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probability Edit

None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean Lava. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means to melt, so it would be Melt/Melting(?) Release. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to to dissolve, making Mei's KG a Dissolution Release. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the lava part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for lava but literally simply means Molten Rock. • Seelentau 愛 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • Seelentau 愛 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • Seelentau 愛 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.

(referring to kaguya's infobox)


--Jashin Uchiha (talk) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama's raw strength. Edit

Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014

I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014

I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014

RP: Rude Edit

I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
They were most likely fighting the rest of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo-Equipped KuramaEdit

By the way, what is your opinion on this? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of here, when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: TSB natures Edit

No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • Seelentau 愛 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • Seelentau 愛 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Reincarnation Edit

I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Something unusual Edit

Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits here (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--~UltimateSupreme 13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

There might be some staff-only tool. Ask them--~UltimateSupreme 13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: wat Edit

If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu Edit

Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • Seelentau 愛 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Was it stated that they got his chakra? • Seelentau 愛 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Power doesn't necessarily mean chakra. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the chakra. They got the Six Paths Yin/Yang Power and the Six Path Senjutsu, but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • Seelentau 愛 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • Seelentau 愛 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • Seelentau 愛 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • Seelentau 愛 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Revolt of the demon world Edit

I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • Seelentau 愛 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Gonna be real serious here Elveonora. Edit

I am ignorant of nothing and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.

I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does not make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now isn't wrong. It is presented in a way that makes it convenient to our readers. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for them.
The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as mentions something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing nothing new to the conversation.
You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.

Questions?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Why do we evenEdit

Mental issues? That is undeniably insulting, I read at a college level and I possess an above average IQ.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:34, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: Explosion Release Edit

Nope. It's Doton and ? • Seelentau 愛 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya Edit

To you maybe. To me more than enough.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: kaguya chakra question Edit

She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. • Seelentau 愛 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. • Seelentau 愛 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. • Seelentau 愛 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • Seelentau 愛 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: chapter 674 Edit

eh, what text exactly? • Seelentau 愛 09:17, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

It says the technique's name, doesn't it? I only have a weird version of the raw available right now, I'll check a better version when I'm back home. • Seelentau 愛 10:42, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, found it. It says 昏き雷が2人を襲う!! Kuraki ikazuchi ga futari o osou!!, which means Dark thunder attacks the two!!. However, this is not black. 昏 comes from 氏 low and 日 sun, it basically means dusk. Can also be translated as gloomy. • Seelentau 愛 11:25, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
But Madaras' Yin Raiton was white... also, it most likely refers to the bad intent behind his attack, not to the colour of it. • Seelentau 愛 11:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto's Stockholm Syndrome Edit

As much as this may be true, I think it's too harshly written for the article. It clearly shows your discontent with Naruto's personality which shouldn't be here. I don't want to entirely undo the edit, as I think it contains true facts. Nevertheless, as it is now, it will probably start another edit wars, so maybe we should find a solution of writing it in a more neutral term, starting with leaving out terms like "evil" or "bizarre" which reflect your own opinion about it. Norleon (talk) 11:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Eyes Edit

None of which is conveyed in a black and white image. ~SnapperTo 19:07, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Part IIIOf Edit

If Sasuke ever becomes Hokage, I will join Naruto's Akatsuki lol ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 06:52, August 5, 2014 (UTC)


Kaguya's eye was once a Sharingan! Edit

Do you not realize? Sasuke was able to cast Amaterasu and Susano'o from Rinnegan and Madara was able to utilise Susano'o through his Rinnegan as well! Their Rinnegan had once been Sharingan therefore they are able to use the Sharingan's power despite them possessing a Rinnegan. If you believe Kaguya's third eye is a Rinnegn with Sharingan power you must accept that it was once a Sharingannnnnnn!KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 18:47, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple I understand but Susano'o is a Mangekyou Sharingan jutsu, Hyuga clan and Uzumaki without eyes can not use it.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 12:32, August 6, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Re: latest episode forum discussion Edit

Done. Yeah, I agree that this episode was amazing in terms of storyline and animation. Tenpenchii's scene was depicted so great and I loved it... —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk)

Re: 2 things Edit

1) No. Unless the TSB and the TBB are the same. Then yes. But the TBB as a TBB without any connection to the TSB not, no.
2) Probably. But I couldn't care less right now. Trying to figure out the mechanics behind Saiken's gas, fluids and Mei's gas. I have a hunch that they're the same. At least the gases, dunno about the fluids. • Seelentau 愛 19:39, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm re-reading the raws for the exact words about Saiken's techniques. We have the strong alkaline fluid used in Leech Gap and the corroding gas used in Acid Scattering. Alcaline fluids are chemical bases, while the gas is most likely chemical acid. Both bases and acid are determined by their pH-level, with bases having a high level and acids having a low one. I suspect that the sticky slime field has a neutral pH-level. Now, what else works as an acid gas? That's right: Futton. I suspect that those things have a relation to each other. • Seelentau 愛 20:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Because Boil Release doesn't create slime, I guess. I'm hesistant to add it, too. I also need to figure out how Utakata's bubbles play into this. • Seelentau 愛 20:11, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
I have only a slight idea how lime and vulcanism are related, but they are. Same goes for rubber and lava, of course.
Regarding the bubbles, the answer came immediately after I hit Publish. Bubbles are mostly created with soap and soap is a base. So yeah. • Seelentau 愛 20:37, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, he called it Suiton, that's right. Okay, then the bubbles are out of question, same goes for NM's oily water, I think. What now? • Seelentau 愛 20:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Well, when Mei attacked Sasuke, the latter said that his Susanoo is melting (溶ける, tokeru). Hachibi uses the same word, only in its transitive form (溶く, toku). Furthermore, Sasuke calls the mist mist of acid/acid mist (酸の霧, san no kiri) and Mei says she needs to change the acidity (酸度, sando). Over at the German wiki, I already created the article for Acid Ninja Techniques, maybe I should add this. It doesn't mean that Futton and Saiken's techniques are definitely related, though. They just work the same way. • Seelentau 愛 21:30, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Because Mei produces mist. Mist is the result of burning a fluid (mostly water, as in Mei's case). If you burn acid water, the mist is acid, if you burn alkaline water, the mist is alkaline. (I have no idea about the Trivia in the Boil Release article, by the way). Saiken, on the other hand, produces gas and while mist is always a gas, gas isn't always mist. It's likely that Saiken does not burn water, but something else. They both use "gas ninjutsu", but only Mei uses the "mist line" of the "gas ninjutsu", so to speak. • Seelentau 愛 21:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Do you remember or can you find Edit

Well, Sasuke used the black flames on A multiple times, but there was no reaction. Other than that, no. • Seelentau 愛 12:19, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Apology Edit

I owe you a personal apology. I had not seen the talk page on Seel's Magnet Release page so I was unaware a new consensus had been reached. Please forgive my reversions and my wrongful blocking of you. Had I seen that first (the link only lead to the page itself), I wouldn't have reacted so rashly, but that is my fault for not looking into it further. Again, you have my deepest apologies. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 17:46, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ConfusedEdit

Just to make sure they respond. A lot of things on talkpages go unnoticed, and I'm not the patient type. And I'm not disputing your theory, I'm just really confused on it. I know Kaguya is the TT, but still... And I'll eventually bring it to a talkpage if need be... WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 21:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

TSB Article Edit

With the end of the Scale Powder discussion, I could not find any actual reason to believe the Truth-Seeking Balls were used in the creation of the Rasenshuriken.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:19, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Probably not.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:56, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I try.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:00, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya six paths senjutsu Edit

You said somewhere that the SPS was stated to be the mother technique for the TSB (in the manga). Do you remember where exactly? • Seelentau 愛 18:13, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

But then it's not because of the TT, but because of the 9TB. • Seelentau 愛 18:30, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
It's not the same thing. • Seelentau 愛 18:37, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

No answer? :( • Seelentau 愛 14:14, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

But it is relevant. The TT is not the sum of all tailed beasts, because the tailed beasts are more than simple parts of the TT. They're their own living beings with each their own mind and body. Their personalities are their own, not part of Kaguya's will or so. That's why it's necessary to differ between [because of the TT] and [because of the 9TB]. You get the SPS when you have or had all 9TB in your body at one point, not if you had the TT in your body. Because Naruto, who has the SPS, never had the Gedo Mazo in his body, which is obviously part of the TT. In turn, saying that Kaguya has the SPS because she's the TT's "host" is wrong. She has the SPS because of the nine beasts inside her, not because of the TT as a whole. Do you get that?^^ • Seelentau 愛 14:54, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
I don't disagree, but I'm against adding her simply because we know jackshit about what is what and what is not. • Seelentau 愛 08:54, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Because this case is different than the Tobigate. This time, we have no complete explanation regarding what the Six Paths Senjutsu are. • Seelentau 愛 09:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Becoming the Ten-Tails' jinch grants Six Paths Senjutsu. - That is wrong, as I explained above. • Seelentau 愛 09:30, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
The 9 TB are more than simple fragments of the TT's chakra. Having the 9 TB in ones body, one does not have the TT in his body. The TT is an entirely different entity, because it never had the personalities of each TB. That's why you can't attribute the SPS to the TT, but only to the 9TB. Naruto also never was the TT's Jinchuriki, hm? • Seelentau 愛 09:51, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

...I can't. I'm feeling like this... especially what he's saying at 00:30... goddamnit • Seelentau 愛 11:49, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

The complete TT as it was years ago didn't include the TB chakras, because the TB didn't exist at that point. Imagine it like this: You have dough and you split that dough up. Then you form little buns out of the dough and add raisins to one dough, grains of salt to another and so on. Then you put all the buns together again. Now you have the original dough, but with raisins, salt grains and other things. That's what happened with the Tailed Beasts and the Ten Tails. So what I'm saying is that it's not the TT that allows the use of SPS, but the 9TB. There's a slight difference which is important nonetheless.
I wrote a little bit, but I can't think any further. I have no sugar available. :/ • Seelentau 愛 12:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Then it still would not be necessary to be the TT Jinchuriki. You can use the SPS without it, Naruto is the living proof. • Seelentau 愛 12:15, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
It mustn't be from the TT, it must be from the 9TB. Otherwise, Naruto wouldn't be able to use the SPS. So yes, Kaguya is most likely a user of SPS, since she has the same TB in her that Naruto and the others have. However, this doesn't confirm that the TSB are part of the SBS. • Seelentau 愛 12:31, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

TSB Edit

Let's get a few things straight. One, I don't give a damn what you think is stupid. I haven't edited in the last few hours specifically to avoid involving myself in your nonsense, due to TU3's wise advice, and now you're pestering me on my talk page. Don't. I don't care. Secondly, I'm not adding her as a user because she's not one. If the consensus is to remove SPS as a parent then you have two options; ask another sysop to remove it or wait 4 hours until I get home from my job and I will happily do so myself. Take your pick, it won't ruffle my jimmies either way. Lastly, you and I need to stay faaar away from each other so I'd suggest finding another user to call names and argue with on a constant basis because I, good sir, am at the limits of my patience. If that concludes our business here, I sincerely bid you a good day and ask that you direct any further inquiries to another sysop. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 13:23, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Opinions needed Edit

Shu talk page Munchvtec (talk) 15:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Harassment Edit

It's harassment because TTF asked you quite specifically not to message him and to direct your problems to someone else, yet you messaged him anyway. Secondly, stop saying "sysop status abuse", the sysop flag is not a status symbol, the flag simply gives him some extra tools to help the wiki as a whole, he doesn't have supreme authority over anyone else. While you might be being honest, I feel that the constant talkpage discussions that go on for days are starting to drag down the wiki and make it impossible for anyone to do anything. You can tell that Omnibender has left the wiki, let's not scare off any more people. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 12:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Edit

May I ask what the come on was for, I think i wrote those perso sections pretty well. Munchvtec (talk) 12:27, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

oh...sorry about that. Munchvtec (talk) 12:47, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: apparently :-/ Edit

Leave me out of those discussions please. • Seelentau 愛 17:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I'm Clueless Edit

Since in fiction, words and definitions are distorted for many different purposes. Im pretty sure anyone who fights like Killer Bee or Ay, wouldn't be considered "ninja", universally. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 16:05, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura (Koto) Edit

Yea, that's what I realised right before I deleted it. And the staff too would have probably been what caught most peoples eye, but like you said, there are too many different possible reasons how he could have gotten it. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 16:48, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

re: explanation Edit

I gathered that. But, like, why "Bob"?

I realize TheUltimate3 way being unhelpful about the issue, but this is the sort of thing Narutopedia:Sysop Requests is for: to request assistance for things you can't do on your own. So, instead of needing to attempt the Bob workaround (although I'm surprised that didn't work), you ask a sysop to move the page for you. Evidently TU3 wouldn't have done so, but Jacce was online, for instance. And now I am. So... ~SnapperTo 18:46, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes will update on their own eventually. Or you can make a null edit to the effected articles.
As for the split, all you need to do is edit Shinju (or God Tree, I might argue), replacing the redirect with tree-related content. Sysop assistance should officially be no longer needed. If I'm wrong, then I'll render support when I'm able. ~SnapperTo 18:56, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
It has sentience, so I suppose it technically is a character. My own inclination would be to treat it as a standard phenomenon and skip the infobox. But it's up to you and others. ~SnapperTo 19:02, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
I'd recommend going through Special:WhatLinksHere/Shinju, make sure links go to the right article. ~SnapperTo 20:45, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
^ still this please. ~SnapperTo 19:04, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re: thank you a lotEdit

No prob. You're welcome. Although I'm doing all of this from my phone, I'm in a car at the moment, so it'll take a while. But I got you. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:21, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Driving and being on my phone? Lol I would never do that. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

re:your opinion Edit

I WOULD... elve...I appreciate that you're very active and caring about this wiki...but with all due respect, please stay out of my conversations with other people...I got Ur opinion on the talk page...now I want other people's opinions... anyway...thanx 4 Ur time... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 13:03, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

well...the TT's rinnegan icon got fixed EXACTLY after I PMed omnibender...donno if it was a coincidence or not...at least I get to know others ideas... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 13:30, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...U won't give up on me will U...got a crush on me or sth :]? in every god damn scanlation it's written they merged...this wiki says melded...or incarnated together...nowhere is said she incarnated into it...or it incarnated into her... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 20:54, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

the only thing we know about the original shinju before incarnation was an image that hagoromo showed to naruto which is similar in nothing to the tree obito summoned...that tree is a form of TT...not the original shinju before merging or incarnation or whatever...rinnegan was first manifested in kaguya...possibly beside byakugan...I don't think she had them before eating the fruit...but that's irrelevant here...then after the merging or incarnation the TT got it from her...donno why it didn't get byakugan too...this is irrelevant too...the point is...we have no evidence that the original shinju had rinnegan...therefore listing it in its infobox is wrong in my opinion...the only trait or feature that shinju had was its fukkin fruit...& I can't edit it simply because I'm the only one thinking this way...a majority of the people here should vote their opinions too... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:18, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

then we should either separate the original shinju's article form the one obito summoned...or reomve the rinnegan from the one exsting now...the rinnegan infobox is misleading info there... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re: pure land Edit

Don't know. Haku and Zabuza didn't remember anything, did they? • Seelentau 愛 13:09, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

profile page Edit

Sorry if you feel like im intruding but why don't you have a profile page. i mean you have been a user for a while now and it would really help people get to know you a bit. Munchvtec (talk) 08:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Why ask me if it makes you a better editor lol. I was just wondering because a lot of the users have an about me section and I was looking forward to reading yours. I have one. Munchvtec (talk) 08:53, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, i appreciate that your honest. But cab I ask you what you think the profile page here is for then? Munchvtec (talk) 09:11, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your time, i appreciate it. Munchvtec (talk) 09:21, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Kudos Edit

Please do not kudos your own posts, it looks silly and is meant for use on other people's posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 11:40, September 7, 2014 (UTC)


EvidenceEdit

http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537667 Use this! The first point is invalid though.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:41, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: Seelentau's Analysis Edit

Pretty much all of it. I would elaborate, but reliops' opinion on the subject is pretty much in agreement with mine. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 15:57, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Regarding Naruto's Natures Edit

Wrong. In the anime filler, had you bothered to watch, you'd see he combined Fuuton with Suiton. He didn't give them Wind Release. He wasn't a tailed beast and he wasn't sealed inside of them. Naruto can use the tailed beast's abilities because of the very fact that he is a jinchūriki, same as any jinchūriki can. That's just a fact. Han can use Steam Ninjutsu, Gaara can use Sand, Bee can use Ink, the list goes on and on, and you only want to separate Naruto out because you are dead set against adding anything to him, even if you're wrong. When are you going to get it? The infoboxes don't display the natures Naruto painstakingly learned himself. It shows the natures he's been shown using. Guess what? If Son Gokū gives him Lava and Naruto applies, he used Lava Release! That's all there is to it. The Truth-Seeking Balls are a Tailed Beast Skill. Only those with the all nine or the Ten-Tails could ever use them. If that's a fact, then does it really matter if Naruto painstakingly learned all five natures and yin-yang? Hell no. They come from his connection to the Bijuu chakras inside of him. He's still using those natures. He may have help doing so, but for the longest time he needed help creating a Rasengan. Should he have been unlisted as a user of that too?

This is all in light of a fact that I really wish you would stop showing up to butt in on conversations I start with other people. I tried talking to Seel to finally put this TSB mess behind us, because God knows you are going to fight tooth and nail to say that four versions (five if you count the Sage) of the exact same technique are different elemental combinations, despite four times being confirmed Yin-Yang (Obito, Madara negated Minato's other arm, Kaguya, and we know Hagoromo had all natures), so why the hell is Naruto any different? Because you refuse to accept it. That's the only difference. We were told that they consist of four or more natures, we now know five are needed (I count Yin-Yang as one since it was listed Inyo, not Yin and Yang). Nothing has contradicted. The only thing that seems fishy is Obito not negating Edo Tensei for one chapter, in which he manifested two (rather than 10) TSB, and used an uncontroled version of the technique. But how is that any different than Naruto's Rasenshuriken? He couldn't control it at first, he couldn't throw it, so it harmed him. Now he can throw it and use it at its full potential. I fail to see how that's any different but somehow, good lord, you do.

If none of this makes you think, then I'm done arguing it. Eventually the databooks will come around, or Kishi will confirm it again in the Naruto/Sasuke fight. I just hope that at some point, you open your eyes and see it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 14:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I can tell you to stay out of my conversations, and I will tell you that you are no longer to message me on my talk page. We're done here. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 17:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
I did stay out of the topic between you and Seel. But you can't ban others from reading that and continuing it in another topic, especially since the topic at hand pertains the whole wikia, not just the two of you. The topic is nothing personal of yours, if you felt like it was, then you should have taken that over to Skype or Facebook. Now you have proven that you aren't a person to be taken seriously one bit--Elveonora (talk) 18:02, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

SPS & Rinnegan Edit

You remember how Madara talked about Naruto gaining the SPS and Sasuke the Rinnegan? He put those powers on some kind of scale, so to speak. They're equivalent powers, two sides of the same coin. What for Naruto is the SPS, for Sasuke is the Rinnegan.
Now, flash forward: Hagoromo said in the latest chapter how Naruto has all tailed beast chakras and Sasuke has the Rinnegan. I believe that he did the same as Madara and we have our answer as to what the SPS actually is: all nine tailed beasts chakras in one person. No TT stuff, no Kaguya stuff, just a (pseudo) jinchuriki of all TB.
Whatcha think? • Seelentau 愛 22:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Was it actually confirmed that the SPS and Rinnegan come from Hagoromo's power? Because remember, Kabuto healed Sasuke with Hashi's cells and Naruto received the missing TB. Furthermore, Madara, who has the same powers, did not meet Hagoromo, but did receive Hashi's cells and the TB. • Seelentau 愛 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Hagoromo gave them his yin/yang chakra, which resulted in the seals. As I said, there's nothing that confirms he gave the SPS/Rinnegan and Madara having the exact same powers without meeting Hagoromo basically confirms it. • Seelentau 愛 10:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I actually saw your message and answered quickly. ^^ Anyways, if 9TB+x results in SPS, Naruto can't have SPS because he's missing the x. And how does the last chapter suggest that Hagoromo has to do with the SPS and the Rinnegan? • Seelentau 愛 10:23, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that... hmmm, if I recall correctly, he gave both of his sons equal powers, but only Indra inherited his strong chakra, right? Hagoromo said so when he talked to Naruto, I believe. • Seelentau 愛 10:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Not "gift" in a sense of a birth presentor so. :D You know how they say someone's been "gifted with intelligence" or so? It's the same here. But you're going too far into speculation, mate. Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • Seelentau 愛 10:48, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Giving power to someone mustn't mean you do it actively. But maybe he meant how he chose Ashura to be his successor, giving him power over the Ninshu? • Seelentau 愛 10:57, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Now I'm confused. :D Let's get back to the main question please: Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • Seelentau 愛 11:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Edit

I'm working on a list of all the different terms that use "Six Paths". So far I have:

  • Rikudō Sennin (六道仙人)
  • Rikudō Senjutsu (六道仙術)
  • Rikudō no Chakura (六道のチャクラ)
  • Rikudō no Chikara (六道の力)
  • Rikudō no In no Chikara (六道の陰の力) and Rikudō no Yō no Chikara (六道の陽の力)
  • Rikudō Chibaku Tensei (六道地爆天星)
  • Rikudō no Jutsu (六道の術)
  • Pain Rikudō (ペイン六道)

What did I miss? I didn't include the Sage's tools, for obvious reasons. • Seelentau 愛 17:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

I wish you would just answer my questions and not throw in some speculation all the time. :D And even if all of those refers to Hagoromo, he himself was the Sage of Six Paths. He wouldn't be a sage of himself, would he? • Seelentau 愛 21:01, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I forgot the Six Paths Sage Chakra Naruto used against Madara's clone. • Seelentau 愛 21:10, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really want to discuss those uncertain things anymore. The last time it ended with me almost leaving the wiki. So here's my opinion on those things:
No, nature releases (Inton and Yoton) were never mentioned in that context. But if I recall correctly, Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke chakra, so it's likely the chakra's yin/yang power they meant, meaning they received yin/yang-chakra, which equals Inton and Yoton.
I don't think there's a manga definition for the term "pseudo jinchuriki", huh? So since it's our definition, we can change it around as we need to.
I personally don't think that Naruto's TSB has all natures. So yeah, I can't say anything about that. • Seelentau 愛 21:30, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto, Kaguya, the SPS, and the TSB Edit

I have some thoughts regarding these that I'd like to run by you and see what you think. If we come to a reasonable conclusion, then we can bring them to the site at large, so let's try to leave speculation out of this as much as possible. The fact of the matter is, against each other, we're our own worst enemies: together, though, we could get shit done on this wiki. Of that, there is no question in my mind. So here's my thought process:

  • Recently, Hagoromo noted a similarity in Naruto and Kaguya: both possess the chakra of the nine tailed beasts. Obviously, their chakra was originally Kaguya's, so she'd naturally have it. Naruto gained it by receiving it from the beasts themselves.
    • In that regard, Hagoromo says that Naruto and his mother are the same, though he doesn't think he'll turn out like Kaguya.
  • We know that the Six Paths Sage Technique is likely a result of senjutsu chakra combining with the the chakra of the nine tailed beasts.
    • We know this because the Ten-Tails is made of natural energy and possess the chakra of all nine tailed beasts: the result is its jinchūriki automatically obtain the SPS.

Conclusion: From that alone, I can reasonably connect Kaguya's TSB with Naruto's. I agree with you on one regard: Naruto does not himself have use of all five basic natures and Yin-Yang. He can only use wind and Yang on his own (even before he got the mark, Naruto could manipulate Yang chakra through Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, as that is what turned the White Zetsu into trees). Now, here's where its crucial to follow me through:

  • The TSB are a Tailed Beast Skill; they require the chakras of the beasts to function. Therefore, if Naruto uses them, which he does, we can accept that the tailed beast chakra helps them even without him directly asking for those natures. After all, Minato says that the balls are instantaneous. They form absent of the user's will, which explains why Naruto never asked for help creating them.
    • Matatabi possesses Fire.
    • Isobu possesses Water.
    • Naruto himself already possesses Yang and Wind.
    • Either Chōmei or Gyūki possess Lightning — it doesn't matter which because we know Madara gained lightning chakra for his Storm Release from the Ten-Tails chakra.
  • Son Gokū possesses Earth.
  • Yin Kurama, which was within Naruto at the time, possesses Yin.

From this alone, Naruto has all the components to make up the kekkei mōra of the Truth-Seeking Ball. Like I said, he doesn't have to mold them himself because Mintao claims that they are instantaneously created, and as a tailed beast skill, their chakra is already involved in the creation, so their elements would be present. Does this make any sense? I'm taking this a step at a time. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 18:53, September 14, 2014 (UTC)


Discussion Edit

Excuse the interruption, but I was wondering what I did incorrectly with that discussion I posted. Should I have linked it to some other page? --Plane in the Desert (talk) 16:03, September 17, 2014 (UTC)Plane in the Desert

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