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== talkpage ==
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== Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation ==
much better now! ;)[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 16:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:hey am I blocked now? your answer to this would be your 4k edit! :D[[Special:Contributions/79.223.68.89|79.223.68.89]] ([[User talk:79.223.68.89|talk]]) 18:22, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: a dumb question ==
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Just like [[The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu]]'s episode or even better. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
It [http://tangorin.com/general/秘伝 is] a word in Japanese. It's a word that is rarely used outside of fiction. You can see a few topics, including a very long topic about it at Hiden's talk page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.
   
==Edits==
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== Re: Hamura ==
Hi, Elveonora, I just wanna to say that sorry about my edits. From now, Im gonna to mark them as minor edit. Greetings. [[User:Leo Hatake|Leo Hatake]] ([[User talk:Leo Hatake|talk]]) 16:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: With all due respect ==
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Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
<blockquote>''Could you please stop addressing Fox's person directly all the time? This has nothing to do with me so I'm sorry for sticking nose into matters I'm not involved in, but it's getting awkward seeing you making it personal quite often. Take it elsewhere, it's kinda childish and this happens since him getting sysop rights.''</blockquote>
 
#I'm not making it personal, he is by constantly being aggressive with all my edits on this wiki.
 
#I'm not going to take it elsewhere, because this is an issue on this wiki and I want all users to see it. I haven't removed or asked other users to take their issues with me elsewhere have I ?
 
#I dislike him because of the fact he requested and got sysop permissions which is quite the opposite of how you are meant to get them. You get them by proving that you are a good editor, you don't get them just by asking. That is, in fact, completely against the Wikia's ideals as well.
 
I keep addressing him because he's the one making a big deal out of my concerns. I am making an opinion and he just takes apart my posts, misquotes words and takes everything I say out of context. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't keep doing this. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:08, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: Thank you for addressing that, Elve. Not to worry, I have a handle on the situation. If he continues with this, I'll simply take it to the other admins, or deal with it myself.~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:37, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Hamura symbol ==
   
: Meh, I'm laid back about things. I honestly don't have a problem with him. He's a productive editor. Anyone can see that. I don't know why he has a problem with me, and even if he does, he shouldn't drag the others into it. And yeah, I go inactive for times, and then get really active for times. I usually log on here when the new chapter come out, make my edits, and then log off. Occasionally, I'll make other edits, but I do like to contribute to the debates and discussions. Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end. He'll come around hopefully, and if he doesn't, I'll just drop it. No need to keep senseless arguments going. But again, thanks for your concern ^^ ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: creepy throat snake no jutsu ==
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== Merging Discussion ==
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Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in [[Will Materialisation]]'s talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with [[Banbutsu Sōzō]]. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you feel one is necessary and the article can support it sure.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re:Re:Raws ==
   
== Re: leaf village stuff ==
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I have no idea. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
Or, you could add it and if it needs work, it'll be worked on~ --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: age ==
   
==Re: Hidan's Eternal Youth==
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I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
That's not the point. It's hard to say it but I found this webpage that features Hidan having eternal youth due to being immortal. If you don't believe me here is the webpage link.
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: In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you look below and look in the known user box, Hidan's name is in it. Also, eternal youth is under the "Variation" section. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality
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In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] [[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]]
   
And if you look the known user box in the eternal youth page, Hidan's name is also in it. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Immortality
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== Enton ==
   
--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)[[User talk:Jon825lazery7]]--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
== Re: thank you, ==
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::I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Seeing that discussion sparked in my memory that we had those. Felt double-stardardish to refuse adding those names when I recalled there being some names of that nature. I got all I remembered down. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Re: Hayate filler ==
 
Anyway It would be good next episode the episode may even expand on his relationship with yugao his girlfriend --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Haha your crazy haha shikamaru would be like what kurenai had It with hayate haha--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: immortality question ==
 
 
In theory, yes. [[wikipedia:Biological immortality|Biological immortality]] does exist in the form of immortalised cell cultures such as [[wikipedia:HeLa|HeLa]] and [[wikipedia:Jurkat cells|Jurkat]] cells. There's [[wikipedia:Turritopsis nutricula|a jellyfish]] which can be biologically immortal through changing back to an immature form, but in nature ends up perishing either to disease or predation. [[wikipedia:Hydra (genus)|Hydra]] have something similar going on, but they don't know how telemore restoration works with their constant cellular division. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== FairyTail Fanon wiki ==
 
Hey could you please join FairyTaill Fanon wiki please, It's new and I need Admins who can develop the wiki really well please join --
 
<span style="padding-left:6px; background-color:Gold; border:6px dotted yellow;{{border-radius|20em 20em 20em 20em}}">[[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]][[User:Jmootam1999|<span style= "font-size:15px; font-family: Bauhaus 93;">'''Jmootam1999'''</span>]][[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]]</span> 09:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: how you ==
 
 
Yeah, I wonder how Madara could survive after his battle with Hashirama and also how he could find the Gedo statue to bring the supply of his life until he met Obito. Perhaps he awakened his Rinnegan at that time to allow himself to control the life as he desire. And maybe Itachi was right about most of Madara's theories that you talked about, but I think we'll know more of Madara's flashbacks very soon. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: chapter 626 ==
 
 
I don't have access to the chapters 625 and 626 yet. Mangahead is seemingly having some problems with the Naruto raws and I don't have any other raw source. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Uh, I don't know what Genjutsu sound words look like, but I don't see anything that would stand out. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Nope, the sound effect ザ ''za'' stands for ''whoosh'' or such, describing strong, energetic movement of the rain, in this case. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re:Forum talk ==
 
 
The ones who knew her as his mother aren't the ones who would be crazy on killing him (for being Minato's son), are they?'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Doesn't seem that kind of a person... Hiruzen must have decieded so only after accurately measuring the pros and cons (?)'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Hashirama's scar ==
 
 
Did you noticed in the recent chapter that Hashirama's scar on his nose bridge in the Hokage Monument isn't exist? Of course we're talking about the recent timing. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:18, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== FTG Slash ==
 
 
Hey man , is it true that Minato says Tobi has better space time ninjutsu than him and the Second ? If so, what chapter ? Im starting to get a little confused as to what things suggest it's Space time ninjutsu (other than the name), could you clear this up for me ? (maybe give me some reasons ? ahaha)Thanks --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 12:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Ok cool , what chapter did you say ? ahhaha "50x" ? :p I dont really understand. Sorry for being pedantic, I just dont recall this part about the Second ! --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 13:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Hayate filler arc ==
 
 
Unfortunately, no info available yet for that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 19:21, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Obito and Kakashi's Age Difference. ==
 
 
Obito is 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi, Kakashi took only 1 year to graduate to Genin, he was still 5, he was almost 7 when he became a Chunin, and freshly 11 when he became a Jonin. Obito was 9 when he became a Genin, after a short time he and Rin took the Chunin exams with Kakashi and him and Rin lost, Kakashi who was almost 7 years old passed becoming a Chunin. Obito was 16years and 8 months when he attacked the village and Kakashi was 14years and 25 days, this was on the day of Naruto's birth which was 10/10/1996 as a figurehead.
 
 
Use this site to do the date differences and you will see that he is not 3 years 7 months and 5 days older than Kakashi but in fact 2 years 7 months 5 days older than Kakashi.
 
 
http://www.timeanddate.com/date/duration.html
 
 
Obito to current date
 
From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980
 
To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013
 
33 years, 2 months, 28 days excluding the end date
 
 
 
Kakashi to current date
 
From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982
 
To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013
 
30 years, 7 months, 23 days excluding the end date
 
 
 
Naruto to current date
 
From and including: Thursday, October 10, 1996
 
To, but not including : Wednesday, May 8, 2013
 
16 years, 6 months, 28 days excluding the end date
 
 
 
The earliest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin
 
From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982
 
To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989
 
6 years, 4 months, 26 days excluding the end date
 
 
Obito on that day
 
From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980
 
To, but not including : Friday, February 10, 1989
 
9 years excluding the end date
 
 
 
The latest possible day of Kakashi becoming a Chunin
 
From and including: Wednesday, September 15, 1982
 
To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989
 
6 years, 11 months, 30 days excluding the end date
 
 
Obito on that day
 
From and including: Sunday, February 10, 1980
 
To, but not including : Thursday, September 14, 1989
 
9 years, 7 months, 4 days excluding the end date
 
[[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Oh and in the Lost Tower Movie they went back 20 years before current time Naruto date setting so Kakashi's age of 30 years, 7 months, 23 days becomes 10 years, 7 months, 23 days and his data file in the movie said he was a Chunin at that time so it fits right in to all of this [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 10:46, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Yamato was 6 years 8 months 28 days and a Chunin too at that time, but he wasn't shown in the movie except for his current self. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 02:59, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
Btw I used 1996 for Naruto and Sasuke, 1991 for Itachi, 1982 for Kakashi, and 1980 for Obito. For yamato I used 1986. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:07, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
To Elveo,
 
 
So lets put it like this then, They all enter the academy at the same time that's a manga fact, and Obito is 2years7months5days older than Kakashi, the grad ages were 9(genin) and 11(chunin) for Obito and Rin... Kakashi's was 5(genin) and 6(chunin).
 
 
 
Academy Entrance: Obito, Kakashi, Rin, at the same time.
 
 
1 year later: Kakashi(Still 5 but almost 6) becomes Genin: Obito and Rin are still in the academy.
 
 
Obito and Rin become Genin: a short time later Kakashi at almost 7 years old(Still 6 since his birthday hasn't come yet) becomes a chunin after taking the exams with Rin and Obito who fail the exams.
 
 
Obito(11yrs) and Rin become Chunin: Obito is shown with his chunin vest and papers.
 
 
2 years go by and Obito is now 13: Kakashi who is 11 has become a Jonin, Obito who is 13 nearly dies and goes rogue. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 06:32, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
One part you forget... the Jonin Sensei is the one who sends them to take the Chunin Exams, Like Gai made sure team Gai couldn't take the exams when he thought they weren't ready... Minato obviously did not think his team were ready to take a second Chunin exams until they were 11, Sasuke and Naruto got into the academy when they were 5, they Graduated when they were 12 man... 12. My math still fits. Kakashi became Chunin at 6(almost 7) and was that way until 11. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:06, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
BTW there are TWO Chunin exams every year, one at the beginning and one at the end of the year and Jonin Sensei's can prevent their students from taking the exams as much as they want until they feel they are ready. Kakashi was 11 when he became a Jonin, My PROOF? here are some facts.. Gai became a Chunin at 11 and he is only around over 8 months older than Kakashi and Asuma became a Chunin at 12 and he is around a year older than Kakashi.. Gai and Asuma were BOTH wearing their Chunin vests in chapter 599 when we see Rin showing her "Project give Kakashi a present to congratulate Kakashi becoming a Jonin" plan... Obito died at 13(a fact), and in the Kakashi Gaiden they say Kakashi just became a Jonin so it is clear that page in chapter 599 happens soon before the Kakashi Gaiden.. which means I am right and Obito is 2yrs 7months 5days older than Kakashi. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 03:01, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
That manga chapter had 3 errors only, Minato's stone face, Hayate, and Anko being in it... that was it. The rest can be assumed as accurate enough. In the movie lost towers Kakashi is 10 and still Chunin and that supports me.. chapter 599? that supports me... Gai and Asuma's chunin ages? they support me. I am right you are wrong. Kakashi became Jonin at 11 and Obito is 2 years 7 months older than him. Enough said. My evidence is better and more accurate than yours, my evidence has facts, manga and data.. and math that all fits.. I don't see why you are so hell bent on Kakashi being a 9 year old Jonin and Obito being 3yrs 7months older than him... they don't fit and they never will, once all the other facts are realized like ALL the posts I put on your talk page. I brought more evidence and facts than you, and all of them fit and are supported by databook and manga. Just accept I am right and move on this is getting old. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 11:12, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== ... ==
 
 
No again you are presuming it takes everyone a year to graduate the academy. Itachi and Kakashi were PRAISED for graduating in a year, AND at the top of their classes so that in itself I am right on again. One year = 12 months no matter what. 5 Years and 11 months minus a year equals?? exactly. Also this isn't based on OUR dates, ONly the months and days are correspondent and the days that were given that were not databook or manga data were only used to support my post, they could of been a few days later or a few days earlier or even a month or two. You need to be looking at the age DIFFERENCES in those dates posted mainly, the utmost importance and point in my post was not 100% the actual dates. Read my post again and let me know if you understand what it really meant. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 19:55, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
AND a year before the nine tales attack Obito would of been 15, 2 years before that Obito was 13, that is 3 years before the nine tails attack, Kakashi being 14 minus 3 equals 11. On to another piece, Itachi is 8 years, 8 months, 25 days younger than Kakashi and it was a stated fact he was still around the time the 3rd war ended. So the 3rd war ended on his 4th Birthday at the least and the last day of his 4th year at the most, meaning it ended around almost 2 years after Obito's "Death" at Kanabi Bridge at most and around 1 year at the least. My math makes sense all the way. Obito was 16 and 8 months when he attacked Konoha, Itachi was 5 and 4 months, and Kakashi was 14 and 25 days. During the the Gaiden Kakashi was 11 and Obito was 13 and Itachi was 2, I didn't specify the months here because it should be easy to calculate them using the date calculator and I want you to see for yourself... you will get the exact months too and it will all fit. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 20:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Kakashi was 9 years old when Obito "died". Not 11. Itachi was born that year. I've gone through all that multiple times, if you don't trust Elve-kun's words, trust me. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Kakashi, Obito and Rin graduated at the same time, 9 years prior to Naruto's birth (ptNb). Kakashi became Chūnin one year later (8 years ptNb), Obito and Rin two years (7 years ptNb) later. Obito "died" 5 years ptNb. Both Obito and Rin are four years older than Kakashi. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:20, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
::There's a gap, that's right. Don't know how to take that into account, though. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:33, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
No, you are not getting this. Re-read my posts... I am right. I am only stating facts here not my opinions... I did your math and my math countless times and in the end you are still wrong. Go over everything I posted again. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 07:00, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
:And where exactly am I wrong? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Naruto's healing ==
 
 
The passage isn't in mangareader's scanlation, but in mangastream's archive site (which I'm not sure is actually maintained by them, the .to domain), you can see the scanlated part where Kakashi thinks "Must be the Nine-Tails' power". And since the scanlation probably dates back to a long time ago, the quality is rather bad, some of the kanji are still readable, and you can even see part of the kanji for nine, just above the box where that thought is written. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:34, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Not exactly sure. As an Uzumaki, Naruto ought to have the "potential for long life" yada, yada, yada, and since he's an Uzumaki through his mother. Only case I can think of from the top of my head that someone explicitly linked anything Naruto has with his heritage was Kurama when Naruto went Oprah "You get a chakra cloak! You get a cloak! EVERYBODY gets a chakra cloak!" with its chakra. I don't recall if there are others, but I think it stands to reason that he'd have inherited something from Kushina. I don't particularly recall anyone being against listing Naruto as having those benefits, as an Uzumaki, but my memory could be faulty. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:50, May 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Sakumo killing Sasori's parents matter ==
 
 
Why do you think Nagato was that old when he died? My timeline says so, too, but I have no idea why it does that, since I removed everything regarding the second WW due to missing proof. So if you can proof that Nagato was that old, it'd be awesome. Maybe I could then add it again. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:07, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:So your whole argumentation is based on an assumption? I don't think that's enough, dude. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:45, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Where does it say that Sasori's parents died when he was younger than 5? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:00, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Could you get me a manga reference for that information? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:41, May 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Re: Archive ==
 
Yep--[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 17:35, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Then why Is my archive weird looking its not like yours where It neat and says Archive 1 ? how come? It hasn't got any links example "Archive 1" like yours --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 17:57, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Jubi forms ==
 
 
Second form is emaciated/handicapped, third form is it bulking up arms, horns etc. There's nothing special about the beast opening its mouth and showing us its penis, so it's not a fourth form.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:38, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I'm kind of lost, but, if I understand you correctly, there'd be no need to represent the mouth in the gallery.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:47, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Oh, I thought they mentioned that it was transforming again that's why that was put there. Checked and didn't see it, I'll edit it to reflect that.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:58, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Speculation ==
 
 
You need to tone down the speculation, Elve. Its fine if you want to discuss theories or ideas you have in a forum or on personal talk pages, but three times since the chapter came out, I've seen you starting new discussions (Ten-Tails classification, Naruto being a sensor, and now the Haruno clan) based on nothing but over exaggerations of canon statements and baseless speculation on your behalf. This is not a reprimand, just a reminder that we can't actually use evidence like a symbol appearing above Sakura's head (regardless of who drew it, or the circumstances) to draw any conclusions. The same about the Ten-Tails, or Naruto's abilities. There has to be concrete facts before they are added. That's why we couldn't change the Ten-Tails' classification, that's why Naruto cannot be added as a sensor, and that's why we are not going to list that symbol as proof of a "Haruno clan".
 
 
It may happen that, later on down the road, Kishimoto proves your theories all right. Or, he could do a 180 and prove them all wrong. My point is that you have to have something solid before using it in an argument. Maybes, could be's, might have's, and possibly's are not things that are going to be considered for a mention on the articles. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:16, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: Of course. I didn't want to seem like I was hunting your comments down and attacking them. I've learned the hard way that [[User:Speysider|others]] can take it like that, though that is never my intentions. Besides, I see you in a friendly light and enjoy our debates. I just want to make sure we keep speculation out of them for the good of the site. That's all. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:01, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Happy ==
 
 
I am happy with your latest message to Seelentau regarding chakra. Do you have any questions or anything you're still not sure about that I could maybe help explain? Everything about chakra and all its components gets VERY confusing, especially since there's a lot of misinformation about it (though you've shown you know more than the average). We all can still learn. =) --[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 22:59, May 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:I agree. Is there anything still unclear to you, Elve-kun? Also [[User:Seelentau/Timeline|this]]. Might wanna read it. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 01:32, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
I am actually quite hurt and disappointed, Elv. I was being completely earnest and amiable. I also do not know how much of chakra you understand, so I only wanted to try and help you clear any confusion that you may have about such a large topic. It is the most comprehensive and confusing thing Kish has created in regards to Naruto, in my opinion. And concerning affinities, you have displayed a bit of that confusion.
 
 
If it helps you believe, trust, and understand me more... I don't understand the Obito-Kakashi age situation. I mean, yes, I get the answer people come up with, but I haven't done the research and every time I decide I want to start, I get overwhelmed because I honestly don't know where to start, or how. And I would actually appreciate it if you would perhaps help me with that, walking me through it. Perhaps you could list it on my talk page in the way I requested Itachiwasahero do it on Seelentau's timeline page. And don't forget, we've also agreed on things that others might not, so I'm not out to get you.
 
 
To reply to the questions and everything, however -- What parts do you feel were disagreed upon? I must have missed it, because the only part I was discussing is what an affinity was =(. As for arms, legs, etc, that is a debate I've had with other Naruto-philes who do all they can to understand the lore. It seem plausible. Kakuzu's heart issues is simply explained because the heart contains a lot of chakra and vital components to a person. Using what was stored in them (the bonus chakra, nature transformation affinity (because the body naturally leans that way), etc) is what allowed him to use them. And that's the only reason why he could use affinities, because of the heart contained the information and etc. The hearts don't allow him to use others outide of their owners' affinity because it goes based solely on the body's chakra naturally leaned towards/emitted. Sure, they may have trained for others, but the body doesn't naturally do it, and it is why, even if a master in Raiton (Affinity) and Doton (Secondary), their expertise in Raiton (assuming they train it) produces larger results much more easily (and what allowed Kakuzu to use such masterful and large techniques, because he would use the heart's affinity).
 
 
As for being physical and spiritual energies, you're not incorrect as chakra is molded from physical and spiritual. But it's the chakra that determines it, and all the dialogue explicitly states it, and leaves naught to imagination. They say it (chakra) leans towards a nature, you pump chakra into the paper, the paper reacts to the nature hidden in the chakra, etc. And of course all the other dialogue. So I don't get why you think it is personality based and it explains transplants (when the only things transplanted are the body, chakra, affinity) working better.
 
 
As for Uchiha's being Katon more often than not, don't forget that there is seemingly a Rite of Passage where you're not really an Uchiha unless you can use Katon (technically they just don't consider you an adult, but I prefer my version better lol). So from that, we can gather there are some Uchiha whose affinity sometimes differs. But along with Uchiha being Kekkei Genkai oriented, we can also assume their bodies have always produced a chakra leaning towards Katon, especially if you do consider the genetics/breeding part you've mentioned in the past. I would say it's the same for Iwagakure, where they're known for their Doton, Kirigakure being known for their Suiton, Sungakure -- Fuuton, and Kumogakure -- Raiton, and in the end it really just probably ends up being all attributable to breeding/genetics and chakra leaning towards a nature being perpetuated.
 
 
As for changing affinities, there's no reason to believe that, and it's heresy. And having two affinities? Hm, I've wondered about that when it comes to people like Haku, Hashirama, etc. They need both elements, and seemingly are born with both elements in order to use their KKG. I mean we've all come to understand they need both, but I haven't seen anyone approach the idea of having two affinities from birth for them. Maybe people have, but I haven't seen it, so... no, I don't agree with changing affinities, but I do agree with some having two affinities because of KKG.--[[Special:Contributions/98.101.165.89|98.101.165.89]] ([[User talk:98.101.165.89|talk]]) 14:24, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Truce. ==
 
 
I am cooled down now and I have come to this conclusion, if we completely exclude chapter 599, then Obito and Rin are 4 years older than Kakashi. if we include chapter 599 then they are 2 years older than Kakashi. It all comes down to Databook 4 to solve this issue. Right now as long as it isn't addressed by databook 4 then we are both wrong and right at the same time. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 09:36, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: this guy's theory/prediction ==
 
 
I did not look through all of it, but between mistranslations and just plain wrong assumptions. Even if something that guy proposed ends up happening, I don't think it'll happen how he proposed. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Could you please take a look? ==
 
 
Don't know exactly what you're asking. I usually don't give much thought to the "lessons" and "teachings" of a fictional world, I'm much more interested in its mythology and how it works. If you wrote about that, I'd be able to give you a much better feedback. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:02, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Naruto Fandom wiki ==
 
hey elv-san would you like to join Naruto Fandom Wiki we need more creative people to come and Interact at the moment the wiki's growing very successfully --[[User:ROOT 根|ROOT 根]] ([[User talk:ROOT 根|talk]]) 16:08, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Re:please ==
 
 
I used it the same as one would "dude" or "man", but I'm a girl and always use it anyways when speaking to someone. I just delved into my personality a little bit and used it, lol. But I won't use it, despite not having used it before with you for all this time. --[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 16:09, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Lol it's okay. I wouldn't speak to you like that, especially after all the discussions we've had. But just incase you missed my other announcement to you, I am the anon you would always debate with.--[[User:Taynio|Taynio]] ([[User talk:Taynio|talk]]) 16:44, May 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
== Re: latest chapter opinion ==
 
== Re: latest chapter opinion ==
   
I liked it because stuff happened. Sakura does indeed seem to be getting serious, but I'll only believe it when it happens. I found Sasuke's sudden ambition to become Hokage rather poorly done. If anything, I thought he would simply give up on destroying the village, save it to honour Itachi's wishes, and then he'd keep a distance. He'd protect it, but we would keep a distance, due to his resentment. Regarding Minato, I get how what happened would be possible, but I feel it cheapened his character. The great thing about Minato is that he was simply gifted, I feel that giving him that chakra mode feels like a crutch to his abilities, when he clearly shouldn't need one. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:34, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
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Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
:I was sad that minato didn't retrieve the toad contract with Jiraiya's blood on it and have orochimaru summon him. He is the only missing link in teacher student lineage ;( — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 00:51, May 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
== Make an archive ==
 
   
Hey I would like to know how do I make an archive on my talk page. [[User:Inoyamanaka98|Inoyamanaka98]] ([[User talk:Inoyamanaka98|talk]]) 19:38, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98
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It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]][[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]
   
Thank you. [[User:Inoyamanaka98|Inoyamanaka98]] ([[User talk:Inoyamanaka98|talk]]) 19:47, May 23, 2013 (UTC)Inoyamanaka98
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== Re: your feedback ==
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I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Timeline ==
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== Re: what do you think? ==
   
Btw if you are still making a timeline, the chunin exams are held on the 1st of july, idk if that is the first of the year or the second time in the year, but that was what hiruzen said when konoha 12 took were about to take exams. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:25, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
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You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.
   
Oh, and Idk if it was just the exam the 12 took or what but there is a month gap between the last part of the exam and the other parts, so it ends in august. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 04:27, May 24, 2013 (UTC)
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The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "''What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?''" and "''I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority.''" Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.
   
== Re: feedback ==
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# While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I ''understand'' you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
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# Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.
   
I don't think it's possible to discuss serious stuff with most of the people here. The case of Kakashi's age taught me that. Almost no one here is able to accept that they eventually could be wrong with what they're thinking. You're basically talking against walls most of the time. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:53, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually ''agree'' with your ''theory'', but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.
   
== On the Obito thing again ==
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Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.
   
The only info that supports Obito being 33-34 is the grad age numbers, but ONLY if you look at those alone. That's it. Chapter 599 and the Databooks Registration Numbers and Number Ages, combined with Grad Ages support Obito being 32-33 current time, I just don't understand why you don't see that Elve.. it's a mystery to me. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 15:34, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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:You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has ''only'' a Rinnegan comes from the '''speculation''' that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to '''Madara''' and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
   
== Hmm ==
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:Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. ''All'' Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because ''all'' of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as ''Sharingan''. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "''natural evolution''". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "''what lies beyond the Sharingan''" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.
   
I would agree on that, but the only thing Kishi has addressed was the stone face prob in the shonen jump and fixed it in a later in chapter mosaic, is the tankobon release out yet for chapter 599? and how many errors have been fixed in it? [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 16:04, May 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.
   
== hokage monument stuff ==
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Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.
   
Susanoo thing is in the trivia, not too sure why either. Hanzō and the other manga images are an entirely different thing- that's just how it was decided to handle it. For the monument, there's no need to show an entirely correct depiction of a landmark and then show what the anime's done to it. It's not like it's in black and white. The hawk thing I agree with, but the last time I changed it, it was reverted, so I think you'll have to bring that up on the talkpage.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:37, May 26, 2013 (UTC)
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Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)'''''[[User: KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]]'''''[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization]]
   
== Re: Your skills are required ==
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== Re: 681 scans ==
   
「長門は千手の血統で外道魔像をマダラ以外に口寄せできる唯一の人物なのさ」<br />
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Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
"Nagato wa Senju no Kettō de Gedō Mazō o Madara igai ni Kuchiyose dekiru Yuiitsu no Jinbutsu nano sa"<br />
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:You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
"Since Nagato descends from the Senju lineage, he's aside from Madara the only person who's capable of summoning the Gedō Mazō"<br />
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::Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
[[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:00, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:No, the literal translation would be "Nagato is a lineage of Senju" or so, but that would be senseless. Since you descend from a lineage, I've chosen that wording. You could simply say "Nagato is from the Senju lineage", though. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:15, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
::No, 降りる isn't used but I don't see why it should be? Does the meaning of the whole sentence changes when you use 'descends' instead of 'of' or 'from'? Whatever wording you choose, the meaning stays the same: Nagato and the Uzumaki clan are part of the Senju lineage. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:08, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Could you get me a raw for chapter 303? I only found the tankōbon raw where the text was deleted. Since the God Gate Jutsu seals aways the movements of the target, I'd say it's a sealing technique. Why would it be a barrier? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:10, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Yeah, I found that one, too. But it's still missing the raw text about the century-stuff. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:01, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Unless I have a raw I can't take that into account. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:08, May 30, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
On an unrelated note, please explain to me why you think Black Zetsu is to White Zetsu what Bijū are to the Jūbi. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:15, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: almost forgot about this ==
:I thought there was more behind it... well, good for me, though. I don't think you understand what exactly happened in both instances. There are slight differences between the Jūbi issue and the Zetsu issue. Black Zetsu wasn't made out of nothing, but out of White Zetsu and Madara's will. White Zetsu wasn't split like the Jūbi's chakra was, but created by cultivating Hashirama Senju's cells. It could be that White Zetsu was created with Yang Release. I know Madara said he created White Zetsu with YYR, but I can't think how that would fit with the rest of it. Furthermore, Madara's will would be Yin Release, wouldn't it? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:48, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
::mmh, wouldn't you say that Black Zetsu was created ''with'' White Zetsu, while the TB were created ''from'' Jūbi? Like this:
 
::Jūbi => Chakra and body parted => Chakra parted in nine parts and given life with YYR
 
::Hashiramas DNA => cultivated/formed with YinR => given life with YangR = WZ => WZ given "will" with YinR = BZ
 
::It seems to me that the Jūbi issue was kind of a separation, while the Zetsu issue was kind of a construction. The RS's doing goes from big (Jūbi) to small (Bijū), while Madara's doing goes from small (Hashi's cells) to big (Zetsu). [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:23, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Where am I wrong, then? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:37, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::Madara didn't do any body forming when making BZ, did he? He did only mind forming, so only YangR. The body - White Zetsu - was already there. So where's the YYR? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:53, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::And there we have your mistake: BZ was created by pouring Madara's will into WZ's body. There was no glueing together, because there'd have to be two different bodies for that and he didn't grow from WZ body, either. BZ is like the evil side of Harvey Dent/Two-Face. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:16, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::The problem is that WZ never had half his side missing. His arm and one eye were missing, but BZ isn't an artifical body. Check chapter 606, you can clearly see Madara's will crawling over WZ's body and on the next page that he even had a white leg before the will covered it and made it black. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::::It isn't YYR when there's no YinR involved. Also, Madara even said that Obito could take the ones created with YYR as his pawns, referring to the WZ. He didn't include BZ there for a reason. BZ and WZ were made separate entities by Madara, they were one WZ at the beginning. The Madara came and infused his will (YangR) into half of WZ's body and thus made BZ as a Mini-Me or so. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:45, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
That's a different topic :D I'm of course agreeing with you when it comes to the creation of the White Zetsus, that was YYR. But I don't know if it was BS, maybe Madara used YYR in a different way? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 17:10, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
:Please don't jump to any conclusions with that. Madara is a YYR user, but no confirmed BS user. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:23, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: welcome back ==
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== Re: confirmed ==
Haha, thanks, I've been following Naruto but haven't been on the wikia much, as you can see. I just saw the movie and thought I'd add some information. I've just been so busy that I haven't been able to show up much around here. I'll probably come back when Kishi reveals some more detail on chakra natures, haha. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 03:31, May 31, 2013 (UTC)
 
:Not too sure about those points in general, but I do think that the original Orochimaru was still sealed into the Sword. I'm not 100% sure how this all works overall, but I imagine it something like the mechanics for teleportation in shows like ''Stark Trek'' - The original person is destroyed and a copy containing an identical set of information is created elsewhere. Not exactly the same situation, but something like that. For example, if a soul is defined to be a singular entity residing in a certain set of information unique to an individual, then I guess you could say the original Orochimaru's soul now resides in this newly generated body. If not, this is just another Orochimaru with the same body and memories, who thinks he is Orochimaru, and in many ways, he IS Orochimaru now, since he is no different from the original besides continuity. It's somewhat confusing when you dig into the technical level. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 04:18, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
Interesting point, but that snake doesn't go to the Mountain's Graveyard to become Orochimaru, does it? I think it's some form of foreshadowing if anything at all. Unless you're correct and he somehow kept his consciousness free of the illusion. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 17:31, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Haha, but not much more information was added to the page; it was more of an update to brush things up. I think laying off the whole elements thing has cleared my mind quite a bit, and has been very helpful. I mean, when one keeps going at it at that sort of thing, one starts spitting out all sorts of forced-in, nonsensical ideas that don't even sound like elements. I'm still not sure if the Lava Releases are actually supposed to be different, since the anime portrayed lava for [[Lava Release: Melting Apparition Technique]] but the Japanese wikipedia still lists her Yōton as Corrosion Release (溶遁) and says it produces viscous acid slime which can harden... For now, I'm going with it being lava, since Kishi would have already raged if it was supposed to be acidic slime but the anime creators made it lava. For the different usages of Lava Release, my opinion is that it differs like a basic element would. Asuma used ash for [[Fire Release: Ash Pile Burning]] and dust for [[Wind Release: Dust Cloud Technique]], which has not been done by other shinobi. Likewise, many variations on the basic elements have been seen, and it is likely that advanced natures simply have such variations as well; we just don't see them as often because you need kekkei genkai to use them. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 01:14, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara ''again''? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
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: I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: strength of a hundred seal ==
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:: Very true. True enough. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
I explained how it works on the YS:R talk page. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:28, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Probability ==
   
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None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean ''Lava''. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means ''to melt'', so it would be ''Melt/Melting(?) Release''. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to ''to dissolve'', making Mei's KG a ''Dissolution Release''. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the ''lava'' part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for ''lava'' but literally simply means ''Molten Rock''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Blown Away ==
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Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.
Whoa i must admit {Elveonora} i wasen't really expecting that from you and it must have been alot of work on your part and i must say i actually agree with you now on many things.I must say that that many people may be very impressed with your theory's and progress.But i just started on this wiki today so im still a novice but ounce people see this im positive people will be just as impressed as i was.[[User:Whiteraven1|Whiteraven1]] ([[User talk:Whiteraven1|talk]]) 19:29, June 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
==RE: Page merger==
 
I'm all for a page merger, but we don't do votes here. I agree with your point of locks and keys not having same name or whatnot. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 19:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi ==
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(referring to kaguya's infobox)
I think that IS Shape Transformation.. {{User:Teppei Kiyoshi/Sig2|13:27, 6/4/2013}}
 
   
== Chunin Exam Info ==
 
   
Hiruzen says "any genins you want to enter into the chunin exams?" in chapter 35 page 5, that means actual teams dont have to enter together, and that gai, ebisu and the other guy might have just been a makeshift temporary team for the team section of the exams. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 13:44, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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--[[User:Jashin Uchiha|Jashin Uchiha]] ([[User talk:Jashin Uchiha|talk]]) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok so in chapter 38 Kakashi claims the test can only be taken by teams of 3, it's weird Hiruzen would lie about it. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 14:11, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
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== Tobirama's raw strength. ==
   
== Re: age estimates ==
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Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014
   
Too much room for error, I think. For example, Killer B and Motoi, we list their ages because there are fewer indicatives, which give a precise age. The only concrete thing about Minato's age I know, without going through several comparisons, is that he was not 30 yet. I think the more comparisons and things we have to compare, the less reliable the end result will be. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:15, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014
:Where was that stuff about Minato not being 30 years old said? o: [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:05, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
::ah, I see. Minato was born at most 31 years before Naruto's birth. Team Minato was established 9 years bNb, meaning Minato was at most 22 years old (31-9=22). He became Hokage 1 year bNb at the age of at most 30 years old and died at the age of 31. I'm saying "at most" all the time because he was younger than Kakashi, but we only have Kakashi's age to calculate with. Am I wrong somewhere? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:56, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Was he? Why do you think so? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:07, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Kabuto question ==
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I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014
   
As I understand it, after Danzō decided to dispose of Kabuto, Orochimaru decided to keep him, having taken an interest in him long ago. I don't know what happened after Orochimaru took Kabuto under his wing. We didn't see what happened. All we know is that Kabuto kept working for Orochimaru ever since. The fake backstory would work for the general population and shinobi of Konoha, but Root would know. There are gaps to be filled. Maybe Orochimaru presented a fake body, or maybe Danzō figured that he wouldn't go through it because he suspected Orochimaru already had plans to leave the village (if that happened around the time Minato became Hokage), but it still wouldn't make sense for him not to take action against Kabuto. Maybe he figured that having someone he knew near Orochimaru would be interesting in the long run. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:30, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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== RP: Rude ==
   
== Re: Katsuyu ==
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I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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: Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:: They were most likely fighting the ''rest'' of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
   
I can't really tell, I don't speak Japanese to associate words and such to traditionally feminine traits. Even them, it's not something as clear cut. If I'm not mistaken, Orochimaru commonly uses "watashi" to refer to himself, and watashi is traditionally feminine as well. ShounenSuki gave a list of some of those gender things once, including names that are traditionally associate with genders. I think Gaara's name is also traditionally used for women as well. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 13:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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==Susanoo-Equipped Kurama==
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By the way, what is your opinion on [[Talk:Susanoo#Is the Susanoo clad Kurama anime picture worth adding in Madara's abilities?|this]]? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Susanoo/Archive_4#Equipped_Susanoo here], when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
   
I think you take things too literal sometimes. Zetsu noted that Nagato was from the Senju lineage (the Uzumaki). That's what the section was meant to convey, not that he had direct Senju blood. Still, the issue should be fixed now I believe yes?--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:19, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: TSB natures ==
   
== Re: Oro Zetsu stuff ==
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No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
   
You can skip the sugarcoating :D Can you tell me the chapter and page number where that happens? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:51, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Reincarnation ==
:There are many discussions going on in the last weeks, huh? Well, to answer your question, the sound effect when Oro leaves his body is ドプッ ''dopu'', which is most likely a mistake. I think Kishi meant to write ドピュ ''dopyu'', which means ''spurting'', in this case of Oro's blood. The next one is ズッ ''Zu'', simply illustrating Oro's movement. The last one is ズズ ''Zuzu'', which is a "SFX for a slow maneuver, usually to emphasize and dramatize something deadly or of high importance/impact about to happen" http://thejadednetwork.com/sfx/browse/zu/ :) [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:26, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
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I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
::I haven't read that discussion because I don't think most of the people here are able to actually discuss things. I also don't want to know what you're discussing, because I simply don't care. As it was with Suki-senpai, I'm not interested in Naruto that much. I'm doing this because I have fun translating stuff, not because I like the manga that much. The only interesting things about it is all the "background stuff", how chakra works and all this. The actual story is crap and I'm reading it only because I want to know how it ends. Well, sorry about this text :D Anything else I can help you with? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:39, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I'm currently following Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Gantz, Fairy Tail, Manga Love Story, Soul Eater, Soul Eater Not!, Deadman Wonderland, Toriko, Aiki and Shingeki no Kyojin. But I guess the problem with Naruto is that I kind of over-analyzed it. I lost the fun reading it after working with it that much because I can't read it like a random manga anymore. So it's probably a bit my own fault. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:28, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::It happened ove a longer period of time. I'm still interested in the stuff behind the scenes, but not in the actual story. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:07, June 15, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Nah, I'm not going to leave you all alone. I'll do as much as my life allows me to do and also, compared to the German Narutopedia, this one is heaven. We've almost no editors over there so it became kind of my own project. But it's boring editing stuff when no one else does, that's why I'm working here most of the time. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:05, June 16, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Happy Birthday ==
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== RE: Something unusual ==
   
Thank you. ^_^ [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 15:29, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits [[Special:Editcount/Elveonora|here]] (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
Thanks again. B| [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jacce|Contributions]] 16:19, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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:There might be some staff-only tool. [[Special:Contact/general|Ask them]]--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: Orochimaru's characterization ==
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== Re: wat ==
   
He has either an ulterior motive, or is using ulterior means to his same old motive. He got smart enough to notice that trying to achieve his goals the way he was doing was like pissing against the wind. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:05, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
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If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: red chakra ==
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== Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu ==
   
You'll never hear me state that the anime never counts, or agree to it. Long before you arrived on these shores it was manga, anime high so long it doesn't contradict manga, OVAs follow the same road as anime but less so, then movie and games.
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Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:Was it stated that they got his ''chakra''? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::''Power'' doesn't necessarily mean ''chakra''. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the ''chakra''. They got the ''Six Paths Yin/Yang Power'' and the ''Six Path Senjutsu'', but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
With that out of the way, even if you want to ignore the anime, two completely different beasts having the same color chakra does in fact set a precedent. Until we are given a reason that this is ''wrong'' other than the all to common drivel of "uh we dunno lol!" then it is ''right''.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:31, June 20, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Revolt of the demon world ==
   
== Re: Chapter 635 raw images ==
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I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
Aye, now we need Seelentau to translate. Then we can proceed from there.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 19:39, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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== Gonna be real serious here Elveonora. ==
   
== Re: community poll ==
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I am ignorant of ''nothing'' and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.
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:I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does ''not'' make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now ''isn't wrong''. It is presented in a way that ''makes it convenient to our readers''. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for ''them''.
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:The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as ''mentions'' something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing ''nothing'' new to the conversation.
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:You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.
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Questions?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
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:If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
   
What... are you talking about? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:23, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Explosion Release ==
   
Oh, the poll. I never saw it. Fixed~ --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:41, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Nope. It's Doton and ? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: volume 65 cover ==
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== Re: Kaguya ==
   
I've sort of given a description in the edit summary. And actually, I can give a site: http://www.shonenjump.com/j/comics/. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:01, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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To you maybe. To me more than enough.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: white snake possession ==
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== Re: kaguya chakra question ==
   
He says that "otherwise, my snakes will bind you, enter from your mouth and take over your bodies". Don't ask me if he or his snakes enter their bodies, I don't know. :/ [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:26, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
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She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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::Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation Edit

Just like The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu's episode or even better. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.

Re: Hamura Edit

Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura symbol Edit

But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Merging Discussion Edit

Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in Will Materialisation's talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with Banbutsu Sōzō. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Re:Raws Edit

I have no idea. • Seelentau 愛 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: age Edit

I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple (talk) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Enton Edit

So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • Seelentau 愛 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • Seelentau 愛 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • Seelentau 愛 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • Seelentau 愛 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: latest chapter opinion Edit

Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple(talk) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: your feedback Edit

I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: what do you think? Edit

You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.

The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?" and "I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority." Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.

  1. While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I understand you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
  2. Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.

Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually agree with your theory, but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.

Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.

You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has only a Rinnegan comes from the speculation that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to Madara and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. All Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because all of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as Sharingan. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "natural evolution". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "what lies beyond the Sharingan" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.

Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.

Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.

Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC) Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: 681 scans Edit

Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: almost forgot about this Edit

Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: confirmed Edit

Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara again? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
Very true. True enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probability Edit

None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean Lava. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means to melt, so it would be Melt/Melting(?) Release. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to to dissolve, making Mei's KG a Dissolution Release. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the lava part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for lava but literally simply means Molten Rock. • Seelentau 愛 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • Seelentau 愛 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • Seelentau 愛 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.

(referring to kaguya's infobox)


--Jashin Uchiha (talk) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama's raw strength. Edit

Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014

I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014

I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014

RP: Rude Edit

I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
They were most likely fighting the rest of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo-Equipped KuramaEdit

By the way, what is your opinion on this? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of here, when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: TSB natures Edit

No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • Seelentau 愛 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • Seelentau 愛 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Reincarnation Edit

I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Something unusual Edit

Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits here (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--~UltimateSupreme 13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

There might be some staff-only tool. Ask them--~UltimateSupreme 13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: wat Edit

If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu Edit

Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • Seelentau 愛 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Was it stated that they got his chakra? • Seelentau 愛 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Power doesn't necessarily mean chakra. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the chakra. They got the Six Paths Yin/Yang Power and the Six Path Senjutsu, but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • Seelentau 愛 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • Seelentau 愛 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • Seelentau 愛 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • Seelentau 愛 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Revolt of the demon world Edit

I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • Seelentau 愛 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Gonna be real serious here Elveonora. Edit

I am ignorant of nothing and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.

I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does not make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now isn't wrong. It is presented in a way that makes it convenient to our readers. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for them.
The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as mentions something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing nothing new to the conversation.
You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.

Questions?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Explosion Release Edit

Nope. It's Doton and ? • Seelentau 愛 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya Edit

To you maybe. To me more than enough.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: kaguya chakra question Edit

She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. • Seelentau 愛 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. • Seelentau 愛 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. • Seelentau 愛 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • Seelentau 愛 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

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