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== talkpage ==
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== Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation ==
much better now! ;)[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 16:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:hey am I blocked now? your answer to this would be your 4k edit! :D[[Special:Contributions/79.223.68.89|79.223.68.89]] ([[User talk:79.223.68.89|talk]]) 18:22, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: a dumb question ==
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Just like [[The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu]]'s episode or even better. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
It [http://tangorin.com/general/秘伝 is] a word in Japanese. It's a word that is rarely used outside of fiction. You can see a few topics, including a very long topic about it at Hiden's talk page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.
   
==Edits==
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== Re: Hamura ==
Hi, Elveonora, I just wanna to say that sorry about my edits. From now, Im gonna to mark them as minor edit. Greetings. [[User:Leo Hatake|Leo Hatake]] ([[User talk:Leo Hatake|talk]]) 16:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: With all due respect ==
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Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
<blockquote>''Could you please stop addressing Fox's person directly all the time? This has nothing to do with me so I'm sorry for sticking nose into matters I'm not involved in, but it's getting awkward seeing you making it personal quite often. Take it elsewhere, it's kinda childish and this happens since him getting sysop rights.''</blockquote>
 
#I'm not making it personal, he is by constantly being aggressive with all my edits on this wiki.
 
#I'm not going to take it elsewhere, because this is an issue on this wiki and I want all users to see it. I haven't removed or asked other users to take their issues with me elsewhere have I ?
 
#I dislike him because of the fact he requested and got sysop permissions which is quite the opposite of how you are meant to get them. You get them by proving that you are a good editor, you don't get them just by asking. That is, in fact, completely against the Wikia's ideals as well.
 
I keep addressing him because he's the one making a big deal out of my concerns. I am making an opinion and he just takes apart my posts, misquotes words and takes everything I say out of context. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't keep doing this. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:08, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: Thank you for addressing that, Elve. Not to worry, I have a handle on the situation. If he continues with this, I'll simply take it to the other admins, or deal with it myself.~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:37, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Hamura symbol ==
   
: Meh, I'm laid back about things. I honestly don't have a problem with him. He's a productive editor. Anyone can see that. I don't know why he has a problem with me, and even if he does, he shouldn't drag the others into it. And yeah, I go inactive for times, and then get really active for times. I usually log on here when the new chapter come out, make my edits, and then log off. Occasionally, I'll make other edits, but I do like to contribute to the debates and discussions. Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end. He'll come around hopefully, and if he doesn't, I'll just drop it. No need to keep senseless arguments going. But again, thanks for your concern ^^ ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: creepy throat snake no jutsu ==
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== Merging Discussion ==
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Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in [[Will Materialisation]]'s talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with [[Banbutsu Sōzō]]. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you feel one is necessary and the article can support it sure.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re:Re:Raws ==
   
== Re: leaf village stuff ==
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I have no idea. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
Or, you could add it and if it needs work, it'll be worked on~ --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: age ==
   
==Re: Hidan's Eternal Youth==
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I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
That's not the point. It's hard to say it but I found this webpage that features Hidan having eternal youth due to being immortal. If you don't believe me here is the webpage link.
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: In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you look below and look in the known user box, Hidan's name is in it. Also, eternal youth is under the "Variation" section. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality
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In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] [[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]]
   
And if you look the known user box in the eternal youth page, Hidan's name is also in it. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Immortality
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== Enton ==
   
--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)[[User talk:Jon825lazery7]]--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: thank you, ==
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== Re: latest chapter opinion ==
   
Seeing that discussion sparked in my memory that we had those. Felt double-stardardish to refuse adding those names when I recalled there being some names of that nature. I got all I remembered down. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
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It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]][[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]
   
== Re: Hayate filler ==
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== Re: your feedback ==
Anyway It would be good next episode the episode may even expand on his relationship with yugao his girlfriend --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Haha your crazy haha shikamaru would be like what kurenai had It with hayate haha--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: what do you think? ==
   
== Re: immortality question ==
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You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.
   
In theory, yes. [[wikipedia:Biological immortality|Biological immortality]] does exist in the form of immortalised cell cultures such as [[wikipedia:HeLa|HeLa]] and [[wikipedia:Jurkat cells|Jurkat]] cells. There's [[wikipedia:Turritopsis nutricula|a jellyfish]] which can be biologically immortal through changing back to an immature form, but in nature ends up perishing either to disease or predation. [[wikipedia:Hydra (genus)|Hydra]] have something similar going on, but they don't know how telemore restoration works with their constant cellular division. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "''What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?''" and "''I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority.''" Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.
   
== FairyTail Fanon wiki ==
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# While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I ''understand'' you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
Hey could you please join FairyTaill Fanon wiki please, It's new and I need Admins who can develop the wiki really well please join --
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# Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.
<span style="padding-left:6px; background-color:Gold; border:6px dotted yellow;{{border-radius|20em 20em 20em 20em}}">[[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]][[User:Jmootam1999|<span style= "font-size:15px; font-family: Bauhaus 93;">'''Jmootam1999'''</span>]][[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]]</span> 09:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: how you ==
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Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually ''agree'' with your ''theory'', but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.
   
Yeah, I wonder how Madara could survive after his battle with Hashirama and also how he could find the Gedo statue to bring the supply of his life until he met Obito. Perhaps he awakened his Rinnegan at that time to allow himself to control the life as he desire. And maybe Itachi was right about most of Madara's theories that you talked about, but I think we'll know more of Madara's flashbacks very soon. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.
   
== Re: chapter 626 ==
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:You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has ''only'' a Rinnegan comes from the '''speculation''' that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to '''Madara''' and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
   
I don't have access to the chapters 625 and 626 yet. Mangahead is seemingly having some problems with the Naruto raws and I don't have any other raw source. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. ''All'' Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because ''all'' of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as ''Sharingan''. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "''natural evolution''". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "''what lies beyond the Sharingan''" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.
:Uh, I don't know what Genjutsu sound words look like, but I don't see anything that would stand out. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Nope, the sound effect ザ ''za'' stands for ''whoosh'' or such, describing strong, energetic movement of the rain, in this case. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re:Forum talk ==
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Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.
   
The ones who knew her as his mother aren't the ones who would be crazy on killing him (for being Minato's son), are they?'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.
   
Doesn't seem that kind of a person... Hiruzen must have decieded so only after accurately measuring the pros and cons (?)'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)'''''[[User: KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]]'''''[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization]]
   
== Hashirama's scar ==
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== Re: 681 scans ==
   
Did you noticed in the recent chapter that Hashirama's scar on his nose bridge in the Hokage Monument isn't exist? Of course we're talking about the recent timing. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:18, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== FTG Slash ==
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== Re: almost forgot about this ==
   
Hey man , is it true that Minato says Tobi has better space time ninjutsu than him and the Second ? If so, what chapter ? Im starting to get a little confused as to what things suggest it's Space time ninjutsu (other than the name), could you clear this up for me ? (maybe give me some reasons ? ahaha)Thanks --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 12:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok cool , what chapter did you say ? ahhaha "50x" ? :p I dont really understand. Sorry for being pedantic, I just dont recall this part about the Second ! --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 13:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: confirmed ==
   
== Re: Hayate filler arc ==
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Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara ''again''? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
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: I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unfortunately, no info available yet for that. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 19:21, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:: Very true. True enough. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Probability ==
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None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean ''Lava''. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means ''to melt'', so it would be ''Melt/Melting(?) Release''. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to ''to dissolve'', making Mei's KG a ''Dissolution Release''. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the ''lava'' part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for ''lava'' but literally simply means ''Molten Rock''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.
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(referring to kaguya's infobox)
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--[[User:Jashin Uchiha|Jashin Uchiha]] ([[User talk:Jashin Uchiha|talk]]) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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== Tobirama's raw strength. ==
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Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014
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I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014
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I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014
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== RP: Rude ==
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I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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: Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:: They were most likely fighting the ''rest'' of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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==Susanoo-Equipped Kurama==
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By the way, what is your opinion on [[Talk:Susanoo#Is the Susanoo clad Kurama anime picture worth adding in Madara's abilities?|this]]? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Susanoo/Archive_4#Equipped_Susanoo here], when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: TSB natures ==
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No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
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:I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Reincarnation ==
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I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)
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== RE: Something unusual ==
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Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits [[Special:Editcount/Elveonora|here]] (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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:There might be some staff-only tool. [[Special:Contact/general|Ask them]]--''[[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#0078ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0054d3, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0093f4;">~Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#f00; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #f33, 1px 0px 1px white, 2px 2px 6px #f33, -2px -2px 6px #f33;">Supreme</span>]]'' 13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: wat ==
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If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu ==
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Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:Was it stated that they got his ''chakra''? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::''Power'' doesn't necessarily mean ''chakra''. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the ''chakra''. They got the ''Six Paths Yin/Yang Power'' and the ''Six Path Senjutsu'', but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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::::That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Revolt of the demon world ==
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I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
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== Gonna be real serious here Elveonora. ==
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I am ignorant of ''nothing'' and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.
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:I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does ''not'' make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now ''isn't wrong''. It is presented in a way that ''makes it convenient to our readers''. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for ''them''.
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:The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as ''mentions'' something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing ''nothing'' new to the conversation.
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:You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.
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Questions?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
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:After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
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:If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)
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==Why do we even==
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Mental issues? That is undeniably insulting, I read at a college level and I possess an above average IQ.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:34, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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== Re: Explosion Release ==
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Nope. It's Doton and ? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Kaguya ==
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To you maybe. To me more than enough.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: kaguya chakra question ==
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She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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::Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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:::You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: chapter 674 ==
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eh, what text exactly? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:17, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:It says the technique's name, doesn't it? I only have a weird version of the raw available right now, I'll check a better version when I'm back home. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:42, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ah, found it. It says 昏き雷が2人を襲う!! ''Kuraki ikazuchi ga futari o osou!!'', which means ''Dark thunder attacks the two!!''. However, this is not ''black''. 昏 comes from 氏 ''low'' and 日 ''sun'', it basically means ''dusk''. Can also be translated as ''gloomy''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:25, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::But Madaras' Yin Raiton was white... also, it most likely refers to the bad intent behind his attack, not to the colour of it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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== Naruto's Stockholm Syndrome ==
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As much as [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Uzumaki?diff=903050&oldid=902983 this may be true], I think it's too harshly written for the article. It clearly shows your discontent with Naruto's personality which shouldn't be here. I don't want to entirely undo the edit, as I think it contains true facts. Nevertheless, as it is now, it will probably start another edit wars, so maybe we should find a solution of writing it in a more neutral term, starting with leaving out terms like "evil" or "bizarre" which reflect your own opinion about it. [[User:Norleon|Norleon]] ([[User talk:Norleon|talk]]) 11:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Eyes ==
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None of which is conveyed in a black and white image. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:07, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Part IIIOf ==
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If Sasuke ever becomes Hokage, I will ''join'' Naruto's Akatsuki lol ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 06:52, August 5, 2014 (UTC)
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== Kaguya's eye was once a Sharingan! ==
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Do you not realize? Sasuke was able to cast Amaterasu and Susano'o from Rinnegan and Madara was able to utilise Susano'o through his Rinnegan as well! Their Rinnegan had once been Sharingan therefore they are able to use the Sharingan's power despite them possessing a Rinnegan. If you believe Kaguya's third eye is a Rinnegn with Sharingan power you must accept that it was once a Sharingannnnnnn![[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 18:47, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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I understand but Susano'o is a Mangekyou Sharingan jutsu, Hyuga clan and Uzumaki without eyes can not use it.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 12:32, August 6, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization
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== Re: latest episode forum discussion ==
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[[Thread:132821|Done]]. Yeah, I agree that this episode was amazing in terms of storyline and animation. Tenpenchii's scene was depicted so great and I loved it... —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]]
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== Re: 2 things ==
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1) No. Unless the TSB and the TBB are the same. Then yes. But the TBB as a TBB without any connection to the TSB not, no.<br />
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2) Probably. But I couldn't care less right now. Trying to figure out the mechanics behind Saiken's gas, fluids and Mei's gas. I have a hunch that they're the same. At least the gases, dunno about the fluids. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:39, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:Well, I'm re-reading the raws for the exact words about Saiken's techniques. We have the ''strong alkaline fluid'' used in Leech Gap and the ''corroding gas'' used in Acid Scattering. Alcaline fluids are chemical bases, while the gas is most likely chemical acid. Both bases and acid are determined by their pH-level, with bases having a high level and acids having a low one. I suspect that the sticky slime field has a neutral pH-level. Now, what else works as an acid gas? That's right: Futton. I suspect that those things have a relation to each other. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::Because Boil Release doesn't create slime, I guess. I'm hesistant to add it, too. I also need to figure out how Utakata's bubbles play into this. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:11, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I have only a slight idea how lime and vulcanism are related, but they are. Same goes for rubber and lava, of course.
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:::Regarding the bubbles, the answer came immediately after I hit ''Publish''. Bubbles are mostly created with soap and soap is a base. So yeah. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:37, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Ah, he called it ''Suiton'', that's right. Okay, then the bubbles are out of question, same goes for NM's oily water, I think. What now? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Well, when Mei attacked Sasuke, the latter said that his Susanoo is ''melting'' (溶ける, ''tokeru''). Hachibi uses the same word, only in its transitive form (溶く, ''toku''). Furthermore, Sasuke calls the mist ''mist of acid/acid mist'' (酸の霧, ''san no kiri'') and Mei says she needs to change the ''acidity'' (酸度, ''sando''). Over at the German wiki, I already created the article for ''Acid Ninja Techniques'', maybe I should add this. It doesn't mean that Futton and Saiken's techniques are definitely related, though. They just work the same way. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:30, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Because Mei produces mist. Mist is the result of burning a fluid (mostly water, as in Mei's case). If you burn acid water, the mist is acid, if you burn alkaline water, the mist is alkaline. (I have no idea about the Trivia in the Boil Release article, by the way). Saiken, on the other hand, produces gas and while mist is always a gas, gas isn't always mist. It's likely that Saiken does not burn water, but something else. They both use "gas ninjutsu", but only Mei uses the "mist line" of the "gas ninjutsu", so to speak. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Do you remember or can you find ==
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Well, Sasuke used the black flames on A multiple times, but there was no reaction. Other than that, no. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:19, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
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== Apology ==
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I owe you a personal apology. I had not seen the talk page on Seel's Magnet Release page so I was unaware a new consensus had been reached. Please forgive my reversions and my wrongful blocking of you. Had I seen that first (the link only lead to the page itself), I wouldn't have reacted so rashly, but that is my fault for not looking into it further. Again, you have my deepest apologies. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:46, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
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==Re: Confused==
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Just to make sure they respond. A lot of things on talkpages go unnoticed, and I'm not the patient type. And I'm not disputing your theory, I'm just really confused on it. I know Kaguya is the TT, but still... And I'll eventually bring it to a talkpage if need be... [[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contributions)</sub>]] 21:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
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== TSB Article ==
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With the end of the Scale Powder discussion, I could not find any actual reason to believe the Truth-Seeking Balls were used in the creation of the Rasenshuriken.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:19, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
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:Probably not.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:56, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
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::I try.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:00, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Kaguya six paths senjutsu ==
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You said somewhere that the SPS was stated to be the mother technique for the TSB (in the manga). Do you remember where exactly? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:13, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:But then it's not because of the TT, but because of the 9TB. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:30, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::It's not the same thing. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:37, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
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No answer? :( • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:14, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
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:But it is relevant. The TT is not the sum of all tailed beasts, because the tailed beasts are more than simple parts of the TT. They're their own living beings with each their own mind and body. Their personalities are their own, not part of Kaguya's will or so. That's why it's necessary to differ between [because of the TT] and [because of the 9TB]. You get the SPS when you have or had all 9TB in your body at one point, not if you had the TT in your body. Because Naruto, who has the SPS, never had the Gedo Mazo in his body, which is obviously part of the TT. In turn, saying that Kaguya has the SPS because she's the TT's "host" is wrong. She has the SPS because of the nine beasts inside her, not because of the TT as a whole. Do you get that?^^ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:54, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
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::I don't disagree, but I'm against adding her simply because we know jackshit about what is what and what is not. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 08:54, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Because this case is different than the Tobigate. This time, we have no complete explanation regarding what the Six Paths Senjutsu are. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Becoming the Ten-Tails' jinch grants Six Paths Senjutsu. - That is wrong, as I explained above. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:30, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::The 9 TB are more than simple fragments of the TT's chakra. Having the 9 TB in ones body, one does not have the TT in his body. The TT is an entirely different entity, because it never had the personalities of each TB. That's why you can't attribute the SPS to the TT, but only to the 9TB. Naruto also never was the TT's Jinchuriki, hm? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 09:51, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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...I can't. I'm feeling like [https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7K0ufoX-dOI#t=10 this]... especially what he's saying at 00:30... goddamnit • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:49, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:The complete TT as it was years ago didn't include the TB chakras, because the TB didn't exist at that point. Imagine it like this: You have dough and you split that dough up. Then you form little buns out of the dough and add raisins to one dough, grains of salt to another and so on. Then you put all the buns together again. Now you have the original dough, but with raisins, salt grains and other things. That's what happened with the Tailed Beasts and the Ten Tails. So what I'm saying is that it's not the TT that allows the use of SPS, but the 9TB. There's a slight difference which is important nonetheless.
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:I wrote a [[User:Seelentau/RTS#Is_SPS_the_mother_technique_for_TSB_or_can_one_have_TSB_without_using_SPS.3F|little bit]], but I can't think any further. I have no sugar available. :/ • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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::Then it still would not be necessary to be the TT Jinchuriki. You can use the SPS without it, Naruto is the living proof. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:15, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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:::It mustn't be from the TT, it must be from the 9TB. Otherwise, Naruto wouldn't be able to use the SPS. So yes, Kaguya is most likely a user of SPS, since she has the same TB in her that Naruto and the others have. However, this doesn't confirm that the TSB are part of the SBS. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:31, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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== TSB ==
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Let's get a few things straight. One, I don't give a damn what you think is stupid. I haven't edited in the last few hours specifically to avoid involving myself in your nonsense, due to TU3's wise advice, and now you're pestering me on my talk page. Don't. I don't care. Secondly, I'm not adding her as a user because she's not one. If the consensus is to remove SPS as a parent then you have two options; ask another sysop to remove it or wait 4 hours until I get home from my job and I will happily do so myself. Take your pick, it won't ruffle my jimmies either way. Lastly, you and I need to stay faaar away from each other so I'd suggest finding another user to call names and argue with on a constant basis because I, good sir, am at the limits of my patience. If that concludes our business here, I sincerely bid you a good day and ask that you direct any further inquiries to another sysop. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 13:23, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
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== Opinions needed ==
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[[Shu]] talk page [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 15:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Harassment ==
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It's harassment because TTF asked you quite specifically not to message him and to direct your problems to someone else, yet you messaged him anyway. Secondly, stop saying "sysop status abuse", the sysop flag is '''not''' a status symbol, the flag simply gives him some extra tools to help the wiki as a whole, he doesn't have supreme authority over anyone else. While you might be being honest, I feel that the constant talkpage discussions that go on for days are starting to drag down the wiki and make it impossible for anyone to do anything. You can tell that Omnibender has left the wiki, let's not scare off any more people. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 12:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)
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== Hi ==
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May I ask what the come on was for, I think i wrote those perso sections pretty well. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:27, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
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oh...sorry about that. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 12:47, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: apparently :-/ ==
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Leave me out of those discussions please. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: I'm Clueless ==
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Since in fiction, words and definitions are distorted for many different purposes. Im pretty sure anyone who fights like Killer Bee or Ay, wouldn't be considered "ninja", ''universally''. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 16:05, August 27, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Hamura (Koto) ==
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Yea, that's what I realised right before I deleted it. And the staff too would have probably been what caught most peoples eye, but like you said, there are too many different possible reasons how he could have gotten it. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 16:48, August 28, 2014 (UTC)
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== re: explanation ==
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I gathered that. But, like, why "Bob"?
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I realize TheUltimate3 way being unhelpful about the issue, but this is the sort of thing [[Narutopedia:Sysop Requests]] is for: to request assistance for things you can't do on your own. So, instead of needing to attempt the Bob workaround (although I'm surprised that didn't work), you ask a sysop to move the page for you. Evidently TU3 wouldn't have done so, but Jacce was online, for instance. And now I am. So... '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:46, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:Infoboxes will update on their own eventually. Or you can make a null edit to the effected articles.
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:As for the split, all you need to do is edit [[Shinju]] (or [[God Tree]], I might argue), replacing the redirect with tree-related content. Sysop assistance should officially be no longer needed. If I'm wrong, then I'll render support when I'm able. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 18:56, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::It has sentience, so I suppose it technically is a character. My own inclination would be to treat it as a standard phenomenon and skip the infobox. But it's up to you and others. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:02, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I'd recommend going through [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Shinju]], make sure links go to the right article. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 20:45, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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::::^ still this please. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 19:04, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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==Re: thank you a lot==
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No prob. You're welcome. Although I'm doing all of this from my phone, I'm in a car at the moment, so it'll take a while. But I got you. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:21, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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:Driving and being on my phone? Lol I would never do that. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User:WindStar7125]] [[User talk:WindStar7125|<sup>(Talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|<sub>(Contribs)</sub>]] 20:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
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== re:your opinion ==
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I WOULD...
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elve...I appreciate that you're very active and caring about this wiki...but with all due respect, please stay out of my conversations with other people...I got Ur opinion on the talk page...now I want other people's opinions...
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anyway...thanx 4 Ur time... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 13:03, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
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well...the TT's rinnegan icon got fixed EXACTLY after I PMed omnibender...donno if it was a coincidence or not...at least I get to know others ideas... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 13:30, September 3, 2014 (UTC)
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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...U won't give up on me will U...got a crush on me or sth :]?
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in every god damn scanlation it's written they merged...this wiki says melded...or incarnated together...nowhere is said she incarnated into it...or it incarnated into her... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 20:54, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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the only thing we know about the original shinju before incarnation was an image that hagoromo showed to naruto which is similar in nothing to the tree obito summoned...that tree is a form of TT...not the original shinju before merging or incarnation or whatever...rinnegan was first manifested in kaguya...possibly beside byakugan...I don't think she had them before eating the fruit...but that's irrelevant here...then after the merging or incarnation the TT got it from her...donno why it didn't get byakugan too...this is irrelevant too...the point is...we have no evidence that the original shinju had rinnegan...therefore listing it in its infobox is wrong in my opinion...the only trait or feature that shinju had was its fukkin fruit...& I can't edit it simply because I'm the only one thinking this way...a majority of the people here should vote their opinions too... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 21:18, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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then we should either separate the original shinju's article form the one obito summoned...or reomve the rinnegan from the one exsting now...the rinnegan infobox is misleading info there... --[[User:DARK ZER06|DARK ZER06]] ([[User talk:DARK ZER06|talk]]) 21:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: pure land ==
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Don't know. Haku and Zabuza didn't remember anything, did they? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:09, September 4, 2014 (UTC)
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== profile page ==
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Sorry if you feel like im intruding but why don't you have a profile page. i mean you have been a user for a while now and it would really help people get to know you a bit. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 08:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
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Why ask me if it makes you a better editor lol. I was just wondering because a lot of the users have an about me section and I was looking forward to reading yours. I have one. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 08:53, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
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Okay, i appreciate that your honest. But cab I ask you what you think the profile page here is for then? [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 09:11, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
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Thank you for your time, i appreciate it. [[User:Munchvtec|Munchvtec]] ([[User talk:Munchvtec|talk]]) 09:21, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
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== Kudos ==
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Please do not kudos your own posts, it looks silly and is meant for use on other people's posts. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:40, September 7, 2014 (UTC)
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==Evidence==
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http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537667 Use this! The first point is invalid though.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 16:41, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
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== Re: Seelentau's Analysis ==
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Pretty much all of it. I would elaborate, but reliops' opinion on the subject is pretty much in agreement with mine. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 15:57, September 8, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Regarding Naruto's Natures ==
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Wrong. In the anime filler, had you bothered to watch, you'd see he combined Fuuton with Suiton. He didn't give them Wind Release. He wasn't a tailed beast and he wasn't sealed inside of them. Naruto can use the tailed beast's abilities because of the very fact that he is a jinchūriki, same as any jinchūriki can. That's just a fact. Han can use Steam Ninjutsu, Gaara can use Sand, Bee can use Ink, the list goes on and on, and you only want to separate Naruto out because you are dead set against adding ''anything to him'', even if you're wrong. When are you going to get it? The infoboxes don't display the natures Naruto painstakingly learned himself. It shows the natures he's been shown using. Guess what? If Son Gokū gives him Lava and Naruto applies, he used Lava Release! That's all there is to it. The Truth-Seeking Balls are a ''Tailed Beast Skill''. Only those with the all nine or the Ten-Tails could ever use them. If that's a fact, then does it really matter if Naruto painstakingly learned all five natures and yin-yang? Hell no. They come from his connection to the Bijuu chakras inside of him. He's still using those natures. He may have help doing so, but for the longest time he needed help creating a Rasengan. Should he have been unlisted as a user of that too?
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This is all in light of a fact that I really wish you would stop showing up to butt in on conversations I start with other people. I tried talking to Seel to finally put this TSB mess behind us, because God knows you are going to fight tooth and nail to say that four versions (five if you count the Sage) of the exact same technique are different elemental combinations, despite ''four times'' being confirmed Yin-Yang (Obito, Madara negated Minato's other arm, Kaguya, and we know Hagoromo had all natures), so why the hell is Naruto any different? Because you refuse to accept it. That's the only difference. We were told that they consist of four or more natures, we now know five are needed (I count Yin-Yang as one since it was listed Inyo, not Yin and Yang). Nothing has contradicted. The only thing that seems fishy is Obito not negating Edo Tensei for one chapter, in which he manifested two (rather than 10) TSB, and used an uncontroled version of the technique. But how is that any different than Naruto's Rasenshuriken? He couldn't control it at first, he couldn't throw it, so it harmed him. Now he can throw it and use it at its full potential. I fail to see how that's any different but somehow, good lord, you do.
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If none of this makes you think, then I'm done arguing it. Eventually the databooks will come around, or Kishi will confirm it ''again'' in the Naruto/Sasuke fight. I just hope that at some point, you open your eyes and see it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 14:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:: I can tell you to stay out of my conversations, and I will tell you that you are no longer to message me on my talk page. We're done here. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I did stay out of the topic between you and Seel. But you can't ban others from reading that and continuing it in another topic, especially since the topic at hand pertains the whole wikia, not just the two of you. The topic is nothing personal of yours, if you felt like it was, then you should have taken that over to Skype or Facebook. Now you have proven that you aren't a person to be taken seriously one bit--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:02, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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== SPS & Rinnegan ==
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You remember how Madara talked about Naruto gaining the SPS and Sasuke the Rinnegan? He put those powers on some kind of scale, so to speak. They're equivalent powers, two sides of the same coin. What for Naruto is the SPS, for Sasuke is the Rinnegan.<br />
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Now, flash forward: Hagoromo said in the latest chapter how Naruto has all tailed beast chakras and Sasuke has the Rinnegan. I believe that he did the same as Madara and we have our answer as to what the SPS actually is: all nine tailed beasts chakras in one person. No TT stuff, no Kaguya stuff, just a (pseudo) jinchuriki of all TB.<br />
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Whatcha think? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
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:Was it actually confirmed that the SPS and Rinnegan come from Hagoromo's power? Because remember, Kabuto healed Sasuke with Hashi's cells and Naruto received the missing TB. Furthermore, Madara, who has the same powers, did not meet Hagoromo, but did receive Hashi's cells and the TB. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:Hagoromo gave them his yin/yang chakra, which resulted in the seals. As I said, there's nothing that confirms he gave the SPS/Rinnegan and Madara having the exact same powers without meeting Hagoromo basically confirms it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I actually saw your message and answered quickly. ^^ Anyways, if 9TB+x results in SPS, Naruto can't have SPS because he's missing the x. And how does the last chapter suggest that Hagoromo has to do with the SPS and the Rinnegan? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:23, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Ah, that... hmmm, if I recall correctly, he gave both of his sons equal powers, but only Indra inherited his strong chakra, right? Hagoromo said so when he talked to Naruto, I believe. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::Not "gift" in a sense of a birth presentor so. :D You know how they say someone's been "gifted with intelligence" or so? It's the same here. But you're going too far into speculation, mate. Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:48, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::::Giving power to someone mustn't mean you do it actively. But maybe he meant how he chose Ashura to be his successor, giving him power over the Ninshu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:57, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::::::Now I'm confused. :D Let's get back to the main question please: Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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== Six Paths ==
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I'm working on a list of all the different terms that use "Six Paths". So far I have:
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* Rikudō Sennin (六道仙人)
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* Rikudō Senjutsu (六道仙術)
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* Rikudō no Chakura (六道のチャクラ)
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* Rikudō no Chikara (六道の力)
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* Rikudō no In no Chikara (六道の陰の力) and Rikudō no Yō no Chikara (六道の陽の力)
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* Rikudō Chibaku Tensei (六道地爆天星)
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* Rikudō no Jutsu (六道の術)
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* Pain Rikudō (ペイン六道)
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What did I miss? I didn't include the Sage's tools, for obvious reasons. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:I wish you would just answer my questions and not throw in some speculation all the time. :D And even if all of those refers to Hagoromo, he himself was the Sage of Six Paths. He wouldn't be a sage of himself, would he? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:01, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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::I forgot the ''Six Paths Sage Chakra'' Naruto used against Madara's clone. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:10, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:::I don't really want to discuss those uncertain things anymore. The last time it ended with me almost leaving the wiki. So here's my opinion on those things:<br />
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:::No, nature releases (Inton and Yoton) were never mentioned in that context. But if I recall correctly, Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke chakra, so it's likely the chakra's yin/yang power they meant, meaning they received yin/yang-chakra, which equals Inton and Yoton.
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:::I don't think there's a manga definition for the term "pseudo jinchuriki", huh? So since it's our definition, we can change it around as we need to.
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:::I personally don't think that Naruto's TSB has all natures. So yeah, I can't say anything about that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:30, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
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== Naruto, Kaguya, the SPS, and the TSB ==
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I have some thoughts regarding these that I'd like to run by you and see what you think. If we come to a reasonable conclusion, then we can bring them to the site at large, so let's try to leave speculation out of this as much as possible. The fact of the matter is, against each other, we're our own worst enemies: together, though, we could get shit done on this wiki. Of that, there is no question in my mind. So here's my thought process:
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'''Conclusion''': From that alone, I can reasonably connect Kaguya's TSB with Naruto's. I agree with you on one regard: Naruto does not ''himself'' have use of all five basic natures and Yin-Yang. He can only use wind and Yang on his own (even before he got the mark, Naruto could manipulate Yang chakra through [[Nine-Tails Chakra Mode]], as that is what turned the White Zetsu into trees). Now, here's where its crucial to follow me through:
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** Isobu possesses '''Water'''.
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From this alone, Naruto has all the components to make up the [[kekkei mōra]] of the [[Truth-Seeking Ball]]. Like I said, he doesn't have to mold them himself because Mintao claims that they are instantaneously created, and as a tailed beast skill, their chakra is already involved in the creation, so their elements would be present. Does this make any sense? I'm taking this a step at a time. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:53, September 14, 2014 (UTC)
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== Discussion ==
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Excuse the interruption, but I was wondering what I did incorrectly with that discussion I posted. Should I have linked it to some other page? --[[User:Plane in the Desert|Plane in the Desert]] ([[User talk:Plane in the Desert|talk]]) 16:03, September 17, 2014 (UTC)Plane in the Desert
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== Re: Obito and Hagoromo's chakra ==
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If I recall correctly, and I usually do, he says ''Six Paths Power''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:17, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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Pre-jinchuuriki... That's what I was getting at on @Tau's page. Hagoromo was using the TSB ''before'' becoming jinchuuriki or using tailed beast chakra. I think the TSB is made of the five natures, Yin-Yang, senjutsu, and the Six Paths Power/chakra. Not tailed beast chakra and not a tailed beast skill. And plus, the Six Paths ''Chakra'' is Asura + Indra, we still don't know what the Six Paths ''Power'' is. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 13:57, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:He is the son of ''Kaguya'', not the son of the fusion of the Shinju and Kaguya. And Hagoromo didn't take any from the Shinju like Kaguya did, he was ''born'' with chakra (meaning it was his own). Otherwise, everyone is a pseudo-jinchuuriki of the TT, and every technique with chakra is a pseudo-jinchuuriki technique. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 14:04, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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::Then technically, every chakra technique is a tailed beast skill, since they are all psuedo-jinchuuriki by your definition. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 14:09, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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:::My point exactly. It isn't a tailed beast skill for Hagoromo, so why list it as a TB skill at all? It's like how Kaguya uses the TSB without the SPST, for others, they need the SPST for the TSB, but not Kaguya. That's why the TSB isn't a derived technique of the SPST any longer. Maybe for Obito and Madara, they need to become the TT jinchuuriki to get the five elements, Yin-Yang, senjutsu and Hagoromo's Power for the TSB, but not Hagoromo. That is why I, like @Tau [[Talk:Six_Paths_Sage_Technique#Method_of_obtaining|here]], is saying the TSB isn't a Tailed Beast skill. Just from the SP Power/Chakra like @Tau said, and the elements and senjutsu. I didn't mean to create a debate, I was just telling @Tau I agreed with him. --[[User:WindStar7125|<font color="blue">'''''WindStar7125'''''</font>]] [[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]] [[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 14:21, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
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You will hear no opposition from me. I agree fully. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 19:41, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation Edit

Just like The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu's episode or even better. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.

Re: Hamura Edit

Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--Cerez365Hyūga Symbol(talk) 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura symbol Edit

But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Merging Discussion Edit

Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in Will Materialisation's talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with Banbutsu Sōzō. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Re:Raws Edit

I have no idea. • Seelentau 愛 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: age Edit

I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple (talk) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Enton Edit

So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • Seelentau 愛 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • Seelentau 愛 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • Seelentau 愛 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • Seelentau 愛 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: latest chapter opinion Edit

Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple(talk) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: your feedback Edit

I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: what do you think? Edit

You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.

The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?" and "I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority." Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.

  1. While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I understand you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
  2. Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.

Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually agree with your theory, but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.

Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.

You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has only a Rinnegan comes from the speculation that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to Madara and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. All Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because all of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as Sharingan. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "natural evolution". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "what lies beyond the Sharingan" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.

Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.

Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.

Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC) Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: 681 scans Edit

Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: almost forgot about this Edit

Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: confirmed Edit

Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara again? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
Very true. True enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox 20px 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probability Edit

None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean Lava. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means to melt, so it would be Melt/Melting(?) Release. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to to dissolve, making Mei's KG a Dissolution Release. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the lava part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for lava but literally simply means Molten Rock. • Seelentau 愛 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • Seelentau 愛 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • Seelentau 愛 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.

(referring to kaguya's infobox)


--Jashin Uchiha (talk) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama's raw strength. Edit

Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014

I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014

I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014

RP: Rude Edit

I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
They were most likely fighting the rest of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Susanoo-Equipped KuramaEdit

By the way, what is your opinion on this? I tried to contact @Ten Tailed Fox on it but he never responded. On that link he stated that the Susanoo-Equipped Kurama should be documented in some form. It wasn't published because of here, when Foxie had a seemingly had a different opinion that contradicts what he said in the first link. WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 22:22, July 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re: TSB natures Edit

No idea... like, at all. This whole Yinyang bullshit has become too much for me to handle. The only thing I know is that TSB and TBB are roughly the same, because they're both made of black & white/yin & yang/positive & negative chakra. Dunno how the four natures of Obito's TSB come into that equation, though... • Seelentau 愛 13:11, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's not like that. I think it's more "YYR can take on all chakra natures' quantities"... or so... • Seelentau 愛 13:30, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Reincarnation Edit

I saw that people were fine with adding an article, but there was clear opposition to not putting it in the infobox. Until a consensus is reached on that matter, it won't be added. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 18:18, July 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Something unusual Edit

Forums and talkpages are also included in the edit count. You can see the actual bifurcation of your edits here (It includes deleted edits too; so may be higher)--~UltimateSupreme 13:24, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

There might be some staff-only tool. Ask them--~UltimateSupreme 13:39, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: wat Edit

If you check those snapshots from Saiyanisland, you could notice that they're identical to those in the manga when Minato revealed about his usage of this jutsu. I don't know exactly how but seems it'll be an ordinary Hiraishin just like when Minato used it against A-B duo. Let's see then. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 21:43, July 15, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya riku senjutsu Edit

Yes, but floating was accredited to the Rikudō Chakra, not to the Rikudō Senjutsu. We don't know if there's a difference or not, sooo... it's better to wait. It's always better to wait at this point. We can almost never say something for sure right now. We're still missing some pieces. • Seelentau 愛 09:53, July 18, 2014 (UTC)

Was it stated that they got his chakra? • Seelentau 愛 10:22, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Power doesn't necessarily mean chakra. As far as I know, it wasn't stated that they got the chakra. They got the Six Paths Yin/Yang Power and the Six Path Senjutsu, but it doesn't say chakra anywhere, right? • Seelentau 愛 10:42, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Not the tattoo, but the Yin power. • Seelentau 愛 11:39, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
That goes for the purple Rinnegan. Sasuke's is obviously different. • Seelentau 愛 11:50, July 18, 2014 (UTC)
Was that stated? There's so much half-baked information, I don't know what was stated and what was not. • Seelentau 愛 14:12, July 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Revolt of the demon world Edit

I have no idea how the mistake is called, but you made it and it's quite common: All X are Y doesn't mean that all Y are X. If all Genjutsu are Yin Release (which is most likely the case), it doesn't mean that all Yin Release techniques are Genjutsu (see Madara's Yin Release technique, for example). So yes, Yin Release can be both. • Seelentau 愛 13:36, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Gonna be real serious here Elveonora. Edit

I am ignorant of nothing and don't you ever accuse me of such again. You will show the same gritting respect I show you ever time you bring this back up. We all have read the series and know what is happening. What we will not do is make something that is already complex and turn it asinine just to appease your misguided attempts to show the information correct.

I know goddamn well the crap that is Kaguya. However, we are not and will not stuff multiple articles into one super article, that does not make things easier for our readers, that just makes it convenient for us, the editors. What we have now isn't wrong. It is presented in a way that makes it convenient to our readers. It would be right and convenient for us, but we are an encyclopedia for the damned planet and it should be convenient for them.
The reason why I refused to entertain your argument is because it the same blasted argument you feel the need to make every time a new chapter is released. Someone so much as mentions something tailed beast related and you are jumping down everyone's throat with the same argument over and over and over again providing nothing new to the conversation.
You will stop accusing everybody who does not agree with you with bias when you your self are just as bias. If you think someone is biased, be a man, choke it down like the rest of us and don't derail the argument by throwing accusations around like it's going out of style. All that succeeded in doing is turn you into a raging madman who's arguments aren't wroth even a listen.

Questions?--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:08, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

After looking in her talk page, the discussion (obviously) went off the rails. I could go either way on her being a jinchuriki but as technically she would be the jinchuiki of the Ten-Tails and the other tailed beast, because they kinda stop being separate when they are Ten-Tails and it is really bloody confusing.
If she is to be a jinchuriki it would be of the Ten-Tails (so yes, herself) but not the tailed beasts as by proxy every jinchuriki of the Ten-Tails would also then be the jinchuriki of everything else.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:24, July 24, 2014 (UTC)

Why do we evenEdit

Mental issues? That is undeniably insulting, I read at a college level and I possess an above average IQ.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:34, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: Explosion Release Edit

Nope. It's Doton and ? • Seelentau 愛 18:38, July 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya Edit

To you maybe. To me more than enough.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:10, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

I don't care about Kaguya's chakra. Koto Senju will come if he so desires. If he doesn't then your edit will go through. --TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 15:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: kaguya chakra question Edit

She originally wanted only Hagoromo's and Hamura's chakra back. But then she saw that Hagoromo spread his chakra and mankind used it to create own chakra, and because of that she considers all chakra hers. • Seelentau 愛 18:23, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

No, that's their own chakra. If Kaguya would absorb all the Chakra in existence, she'd have more than when she first roamed the world. • Seelentau 愛 18:49, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
Technically, it's not hers. I mean, why would it be? They used Hagoromo's chakra, not Kaguya's. But she thinks it's hers because Hagoromo's was hers before. Or so. • Seelentau 愛 19:28, July 28, 2014 (UTC)
You don't understand it yet, do you? The humans did not use Hagoromo's chakra as ninjutsu. They used his to create new chakra. And that chakra isn't Hagoromo's or Kaguya's, but Kaguya sees it as hers since they could only create it using Hagoromo's chakra, which he in turn was born with (it wasn't said he used the TT's chakra). • Seelentau 愛 19:52, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Re: chapter 674 Edit

eh, what text exactly? • Seelentau 愛 09:17, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

It says the technique's name, doesn't it? I only have a weird version of the raw available right now, I'll check a better version when I'm back home. • Seelentau 愛 10:42, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, found it. It says 昏き雷が2人を襲う!! Kuraki ikazuchi ga futari o osou!!, which means Dark thunder attacks the two!!. However, this is not black. 昏 comes from 氏 low and 日 sun, it basically means dusk. Can also be translated as gloomy. • Seelentau 愛 11:25, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
But Madaras' Yin Raiton was white... also, it most likely refers to the bad intent behind his attack, not to the colour of it. • Seelentau 愛 11:59, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto's Stockholm Syndrome Edit

As much as this may be true, I think it's too harshly written for the article. It clearly shows your discontent with Naruto's personality which shouldn't be here. I don't want to entirely undo the edit, as I think it contains true facts. Nevertheless, as it is now, it will probably start another edit wars, so maybe we should find a solution of writing it in a more neutral term, starting with leaving out terms like "evil" or "bizarre" which reflect your own opinion about it. Norleon (talk) 11:56, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Eyes Edit

None of which is conveyed in a black and white image. ~SnapperTo 19:07, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Part IIIOf Edit

If Sasuke ever becomes Hokage, I will join Naruto's Akatsuki lol ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 06:52, August 5, 2014 (UTC)


Kaguya's eye was once a Sharingan! Edit

Do you not realize? Sasuke was able to cast Amaterasu and Susano'o from Rinnegan and Madara was able to utilise Susano'o through his Rinnegan as well! Their Rinnegan had once been Sharingan therefore they are able to use the Sharingan's power despite them possessing a Rinnegan. If you believe Kaguya's third eye is a Rinnegn with Sharingan power you must accept that it was once a Sharingannnnnnn!KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 18:47, August 5, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple I understand but Susano'o is a Mangekyou Sharingan jutsu, Hyuga clan and Uzumaki without eyes can not use it.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 12:32, August 6, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization

Re: latest episode forum discussion Edit

Done. Yeah, I agree that this episode was amazing in terms of storyline and animation. Tenpenchii's scene was depicted so great and I loved it... —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk)

Re: 2 things Edit

1) No. Unless the TSB and the TBB are the same. Then yes. But the TBB as a TBB without any connection to the TSB not, no.
2) Probably. But I couldn't care less right now. Trying to figure out the mechanics behind Saiken's gas, fluids and Mei's gas. I have a hunch that they're the same. At least the gases, dunno about the fluids. • Seelentau 愛 19:39, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'm re-reading the raws for the exact words about Saiken's techniques. We have the strong alkaline fluid used in Leech Gap and the corroding gas used in Acid Scattering. Alcaline fluids are chemical bases, while the gas is most likely chemical acid. Both bases and acid are determined by their pH-level, with bases having a high level and acids having a low one. I suspect that the sticky slime field has a neutral pH-level. Now, what else works as an acid gas? That's right: Futton. I suspect that those things have a relation to each other. • Seelentau 愛 20:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Because Boil Release doesn't create slime, I guess. I'm hesistant to add it, too. I also need to figure out how Utakata's bubbles play into this. • Seelentau 愛 20:11, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
I have only a slight idea how lime and vulcanism are related, but they are. Same goes for rubber and lava, of course.
Regarding the bubbles, the answer came immediately after I hit Publish. Bubbles are mostly created with soap and soap is a base. So yeah. • Seelentau 愛 20:37, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, he called it Suiton, that's right. Okay, then the bubbles are out of question, same goes for NM's oily water, I think. What now? • Seelentau 愛 20:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Well, when Mei attacked Sasuke, the latter said that his Susanoo is melting (溶ける, tokeru). Hachibi uses the same word, only in its transitive form (溶く, toku). Furthermore, Sasuke calls the mist mist of acid/acid mist (酸の霧, san no kiri) and Mei says she needs to change the acidity (酸度, sando). Over at the German wiki, I already created the article for Acid Ninja Techniques, maybe I should add this. It doesn't mean that Futton and Saiken's techniques are definitely related, though. They just work the same way. • Seelentau 愛 21:30, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
Because Mei produces mist. Mist is the result of burning a fluid (mostly water, as in Mei's case). If you burn acid water, the mist is acid, if you burn alkaline water, the mist is alkaline. (I have no idea about the Trivia in the Boil Release article, by the way). Saiken, on the other hand, produces gas and while mist is always a gas, gas isn't always mist. It's likely that Saiken does not burn water, but something else. They both use "gas ninjutsu", but only Mei uses the "mist line" of the "gas ninjutsu", so to speak. • Seelentau 愛 21:55, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Do you remember or can you find Edit

Well, Sasuke used the black flames on A multiple times, but there was no reaction. Other than that, no. • Seelentau 愛 12:19, August 11, 2014 (UTC)

Apology Edit

I owe you a personal apology. I had not seen the talk page on Seel's Magnet Release page so I was unaware a new consensus had been reached. Please forgive my reversions and my wrongful blocking of you. Had I seen that first (the link only lead to the page itself), I wouldn't have reacted so rashly, but that is my fault for not looking into it further. Again, you have my deepest apologies. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 17:46, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Re: ConfusedEdit

Just to make sure they respond. A lot of things on talkpages go unnoticed, and I'm not the patient type. And I'm not disputing your theory, I'm just really confused on it. I know Kaguya is the TT, but still... And I'll eventually bring it to a talkpage if need be... WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contributions) 21:29, August 17, 2014 (UTC)

TSB Article Edit

With the end of the Scale Powder discussion, I could not find any actual reason to believe the Truth-Seeking Balls were used in the creation of the Rasenshuriken.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:19, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Probably not.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 11:56, August 19, 2014 (UTC)
I try.--TheUltimate3 Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol (talk) 12:00, August 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya six paths senjutsu Edit

You said somewhere that the SPS was stated to be the mother technique for the TSB (in the manga). Do you remember where exactly? • Seelentau 愛 18:13, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

But then it's not because of the TT, but because of the 9TB. • Seelentau 愛 18:30, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
It's not the same thing. • Seelentau 愛 18:37, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

No answer? :( • Seelentau 愛 14:14, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

But it is relevant. The TT is not the sum of all tailed beasts, because the tailed beasts are more than simple parts of the TT. They're their own living beings with each their own mind and body. Their personalities are their own, not part of Kaguya's will or so. That's why it's necessary to differ between [because of the TT] and [because of the 9TB]. You get the SPS when you have or had all 9TB in your body at one point, not if you had the TT in your body. Because Naruto, who has the SPS, never had the Gedo Mazo in his body, which is obviously part of the TT. In turn, saying that Kaguya has the SPS because she's the TT's "host" is wrong. She has the SPS because of the nine beasts inside her, not because of the TT as a whole. Do you get that?^^ • Seelentau 愛 14:54, August 21, 2014 (UTC)
I don't disagree, but I'm against adding her simply because we know jackshit about what is what and what is not. • Seelentau 愛 08:54, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Because this case is different than the Tobigate. This time, we have no complete explanation regarding what the Six Paths Senjutsu are. • Seelentau 愛 09:22, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Becoming the Ten-Tails' jinch grants Six Paths Senjutsu. - That is wrong, as I explained above. • Seelentau 愛 09:30, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
The 9 TB are more than simple fragments of the TT's chakra. Having the 9 TB in ones body, one does not have the TT in his body. The TT is an entirely different entity, because it never had the personalities of each TB. That's why you can't attribute the SPS to the TT, but only to the 9TB. Naruto also never was the TT's Jinchuriki, hm? • Seelentau 愛 09:51, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

...I can't. I'm feeling like this... especially what he's saying at 00:30... goddamnit • Seelentau 愛 11:49, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

The complete TT as it was years ago didn't include the TB chakras, because the TB didn't exist at that point. Imagine it like this: You have dough and you split that dough up. Then you form little buns out of the dough and add raisins to one dough, grains of salt to another and so on. Then you put all the buns together again. Now you have the original dough, but with raisins, salt grains and other things. That's what happened with the Tailed Beasts and the Ten Tails. So what I'm saying is that it's not the TT that allows the use of SPS, but the 9TB. There's a slight difference which is important nonetheless.
I wrote a little bit, but I can't think any further. I have no sugar available. :/ • Seelentau 愛 12:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
Then it still would not be necessary to be the TT Jinchuriki. You can use the SPS without it, Naruto is the living proof. • Seelentau 愛 12:15, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
It mustn't be from the TT, it must be from the 9TB. Otherwise, Naruto wouldn't be able to use the SPS. So yes, Kaguya is most likely a user of SPS, since she has the same TB in her that Naruto and the others have. However, this doesn't confirm that the TSB are part of the SBS. • Seelentau 愛 12:31, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

TSB Edit

Let's get a few things straight. One, I don't give a damn what you think is stupid. I haven't edited in the last few hours specifically to avoid involving myself in your nonsense, due to TU3's wise advice, and now you're pestering me on my talk page. Don't. I don't care. Secondly, I'm not adding her as a user because she's not one. If the consensus is to remove SPS as a parent then you have two options; ask another sysop to remove it or wait 4 hours until I get home from my job and I will happily do so myself. Take your pick, it won't ruffle my jimmies either way. Lastly, you and I need to stay faaar away from each other so I'd suggest finding another user to call names and argue with on a constant basis because I, good sir, am at the limits of my patience. If that concludes our business here, I sincerely bid you a good day and ask that you direct any further inquiries to another sysop. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 13:23, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Opinions needed Edit

Shu talk page Munchvtec (talk) 15:05, August 22, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Harassment Edit

It's harassment because TTF asked you quite specifically not to message him and to direct your problems to someone else, yet you messaged him anyway. Secondly, stop saying "sysop status abuse", the sysop flag is not a status symbol, the flag simply gives him some extra tools to help the wiki as a whole, he doesn't have supreme authority over anyone else. While you might be being honest, I feel that the constant talkpage discussions that go on for days are starting to drag down the wiki and make it impossible for anyone to do anything. You can tell that Omnibender has left the wiki, let's not scare off any more people. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 12:40, August 23, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Edit

May I ask what the come on was for, I think i wrote those perso sections pretty well. Munchvtec (talk) 12:27, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

oh...sorry about that. Munchvtec (talk) 12:47, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: apparently :-/ Edit

Leave me out of those discussions please. • Seelentau 愛 17:14, August 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: I'm Clueless Edit

Since in fiction, words and definitions are distorted for many different purposes. Im pretty sure anyone who fights like Killer Bee or Ay, wouldn't be considered "ninja", universally. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 16:05, August 27, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura (Koto) Edit

Yea, that's what I realised right before I deleted it. And the staff too would have probably been what caught most peoples eye, but like you said, there are too many different possible reasons how he could have gotten it. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 16:48, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

re: explanation Edit

I gathered that. But, like, why "Bob"?

I realize TheUltimate3 way being unhelpful about the issue, but this is the sort of thing Narutopedia:Sysop Requests is for: to request assistance for things you can't do on your own. So, instead of needing to attempt the Bob workaround (although I'm surprised that didn't work), you ask a sysop to move the page for you. Evidently TU3 wouldn't have done so, but Jacce was online, for instance. And now I am. So... ~SnapperTo 18:46, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Infoboxes will update on their own eventually. Or you can make a null edit to the effected articles.
As for the split, all you need to do is edit Shinju (or God Tree, I might argue), replacing the redirect with tree-related content. Sysop assistance should officially be no longer needed. If I'm wrong, then I'll render support when I'm able. ~SnapperTo 18:56, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
It has sentience, so I suppose it technically is a character. My own inclination would be to treat it as a standard phenomenon and skip the infobox. But it's up to you and others. ~SnapperTo 19:02, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
I'd recommend going through Special:WhatLinksHere/Shinju, make sure links go to the right article. ~SnapperTo 20:45, August 31, 2014 (UTC)
^ still this please. ~SnapperTo 19:04, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re: thank you a lotEdit

No prob. You're welcome. Although I'm doing all of this from my phone, I'm in a car at the moment, so it'll take a while. But I got you. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:21, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Driving and being on my phone? Lol I would never do that. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task (Talk) (Contribs) 20:24, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

re:your opinion Edit

I WOULD... elve...I appreciate that you're very active and caring about this wiki...but with all due respect, please stay out of my conversations with other people...I got Ur opinion on the talk page...now I want other people's opinions... anyway...thanx 4 Ur time... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 13:03, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

well...the TT's rinnegan icon got fixed EXACTLY after I PMed omnibender...donno if it was a coincidence or not...at least I get to know others ideas... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 13:30, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...U won't give up on me will U...got a crush on me or sth :]? in every god damn scanlation it's written they merged...this wiki says melded...or incarnated together...nowhere is said she incarnated into it...or it incarnated into her... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 20:54, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

the only thing we know about the original shinju before incarnation was an image that hagoromo showed to naruto which is similar in nothing to the tree obito summoned...that tree is a form of TT...not the original shinju before merging or incarnation or whatever...rinnegan was first manifested in kaguya...possibly beside byakugan...I don't think she had them before eating the fruit...but that's irrelevant here...then after the merging or incarnation the TT got it from her...donno why it didn't get byakugan too...this is irrelevant too...the point is...we have no evidence that the original shinju had rinnegan...therefore listing it in its infobox is wrong in my opinion...the only trait or feature that shinju had was its fukkin fruit...& I can't edit it simply because I'm the only one thinking this way...a majority of the people here should vote their opinions too... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:18, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

then we should either separate the original shinju's article form the one obito summoned...or reomve the rinnegan from the one exsting now...the rinnegan infobox is misleading info there... --DARK ZER06 (talk) 21:28, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

Re: pure land Edit

Don't know. Haku and Zabuza didn't remember anything, did they? • Seelentau 愛 13:09, September 4, 2014 (UTC)

profile page Edit

Sorry if you feel like im intruding but why don't you have a profile page. i mean you have been a user for a while now and it would really help people get to know you a bit. Munchvtec (talk) 08:49, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Why ask me if it makes you a better editor lol. I was just wondering because a lot of the users have an about me section and I was looking forward to reading yours. I have one. Munchvtec (talk) 08:53, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, i appreciate that your honest. But cab I ask you what you think the profile page here is for then? Munchvtec (talk) 09:11, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your time, i appreciate it. Munchvtec (talk) 09:21, September 7, 2014 (UTC)

Kudos Edit

Please do not kudos your own posts, it looks silly and is meant for use on other people's posts. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 11:40, September 7, 2014 (UTC)


EvidenceEdit

http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=537667 Use this! The first point is invalid though.KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 16:41, September 7, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: Seelentau's Analysis Edit

Pretty much all of it. I would elaborate, but reliops' opinion on the subject is pretty much in agreement with mine. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 15:57, September 8, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Regarding Naruto's Natures Edit

Wrong. In the anime filler, had you bothered to watch, you'd see he combined Fuuton with Suiton. He didn't give them Wind Release. He wasn't a tailed beast and he wasn't sealed inside of them. Naruto can use the tailed beast's abilities because of the very fact that he is a jinchūriki, same as any jinchūriki can. That's just a fact. Han can use Steam Ninjutsu, Gaara can use Sand, Bee can use Ink, the list goes on and on, and you only want to separate Naruto out because you are dead set against adding anything to him, even if you're wrong. When are you going to get it? The infoboxes don't display the natures Naruto painstakingly learned himself. It shows the natures he's been shown using. Guess what? If Son Gokū gives him Lava and Naruto applies, he used Lava Release! That's all there is to it. The Truth-Seeking Balls are a Tailed Beast Skill. Only those with the all nine or the Ten-Tails could ever use them. If that's a fact, then does it really matter if Naruto painstakingly learned all five natures and yin-yang? Hell no. They come from his connection to the Bijuu chakras inside of him. He's still using those natures. He may have help doing so, but for the longest time he needed help creating a Rasengan. Should he have been unlisted as a user of that too?

This is all in light of a fact that I really wish you would stop showing up to butt in on conversations I start with other people. I tried talking to Seel to finally put this TSB mess behind us, because God knows you are going to fight tooth and nail to say that four versions (five if you count the Sage) of the exact same technique are different elemental combinations, despite four times being confirmed Yin-Yang (Obito, Madara negated Minato's other arm, Kaguya, and we know Hagoromo had all natures), so why the hell is Naruto any different? Because you refuse to accept it. That's the only difference. We were told that they consist of four or more natures, we now know five are needed (I count Yin-Yang as one since it was listed Inyo, not Yin and Yang). Nothing has contradicted. The only thing that seems fishy is Obito not negating Edo Tensei for one chapter, in which he manifested two (rather than 10) TSB, and used an uncontroled version of the technique. But how is that any different than Naruto's Rasenshuriken? He couldn't control it at first, he couldn't throw it, so it harmed him. Now he can throw it and use it at its full potential. I fail to see how that's any different but somehow, good lord, you do.

If none of this makes you think, then I'm done arguing it. Eventually the databooks will come around, or Kishi will confirm it again in the Naruto/Sasuke fight. I just hope that at some point, you open your eyes and see it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 14:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

I can tell you to stay out of my conversations, and I will tell you that you are no longer to message me on my talk page. We're done here. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 17:24, September 10, 2014 (UTC)
I did stay out of the topic between you and Seel. But you can't ban others from reading that and continuing it in another topic, especially since the topic at hand pertains the whole wikia, not just the two of you. The topic is nothing personal of yours, if you felt like it was, then you should have taken that over to Skype or Facebook. Now you have proven that you aren't a person to be taken seriously one bit--Elveonora (talk) 18:02, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

SPS & Rinnegan Edit

You remember how Madara talked about Naruto gaining the SPS and Sasuke the Rinnegan? He put those powers on some kind of scale, so to speak. They're equivalent powers, two sides of the same coin. What for Naruto is the SPS, for Sasuke is the Rinnegan.
Now, flash forward: Hagoromo said in the latest chapter how Naruto has all tailed beast chakras and Sasuke has the Rinnegan. I believe that he did the same as Madara and we have our answer as to what the SPS actually is: all nine tailed beasts chakras in one person. No TT stuff, no Kaguya stuff, just a (pseudo) jinchuriki of all TB.
Whatcha think? • Seelentau 愛 22:26, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Was it actually confirmed that the SPS and Rinnegan come from Hagoromo's power? Because remember, Kabuto healed Sasuke with Hashi's cells and Naruto received the missing TB. Furthermore, Madara, who has the same powers, did not meet Hagoromo, but did receive Hashi's cells and the TB. • Seelentau 愛 10:18, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Hagoromo gave them his yin/yang chakra, which resulted in the seals. As I said, there's nothing that confirms he gave the SPS/Rinnegan and Madara having the exact same powers without meeting Hagoromo basically confirms it. • Seelentau 愛 10:20, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I actually saw your message and answered quickly. ^^ Anyways, if 9TB+x results in SPS, Naruto can't have SPS because he's missing the x. And how does the last chapter suggest that Hagoromo has to do with the SPS and the Rinnegan? • Seelentau 愛 10:23, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that... hmmm, if I recall correctly, he gave both of his sons equal powers, but only Indra inherited his strong chakra, right? Hagoromo said so when he talked to Naruto, I believe. • Seelentau 愛 10:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Not "gift" in a sense of a birth presentor so. :D You know how they say someone's been "gifted with intelligence" or so? It's the same here. But you're going too far into speculation, mate. Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • Seelentau 愛 10:48, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Giving power to someone mustn't mean you do it actively. But maybe he meant how he chose Ashura to be his successor, giving him power over the Ninshu? • Seelentau 愛 10:57, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
Now I'm confused. :D Let's get back to the main question please: Was it ever stated that the SPS/Rinnegan were given by Hagoromo and/or resulted from whatever he gave Naruto and Sasuke? • Seelentau 愛 11:16, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Six Paths Edit

I'm working on a list of all the different terms that use "Six Paths". So far I have:

  • Rikudō Sennin (六道仙人)
  • Rikudō Senjutsu (六道仙術)
  • Rikudō no Chakura (六道のチャクラ)
  • Rikudō no Chikara (六道の力)
  • Rikudō no In no Chikara (六道の陰の力) and Rikudō no Yō no Chikara (六道の陽の力)
  • Rikudō Chibaku Tensei (六道地爆天星)
  • Rikudō no Jutsu (六道の術)
  • Pain Rikudō (ペイン六道)

What did I miss? I didn't include the Sage's tools, for obvious reasons. • Seelentau 愛 17:38, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

I wish you would just answer my questions and not throw in some speculation all the time. :D And even if all of those refers to Hagoromo, he himself was the Sage of Six Paths. He wouldn't be a sage of himself, would he? • Seelentau 愛 21:01, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I forgot the Six Paths Sage Chakra Naruto used against Madara's clone. • Seelentau 愛 21:10, September 11, 2014 (UTC)
I don't really want to discuss those uncertain things anymore. The last time it ended with me almost leaving the wiki. So here's my opinion on those things:
No, nature releases (Inton and Yoton) were never mentioned in that context. But if I recall correctly, Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke chakra, so it's likely the chakra's yin/yang power they meant, meaning they received yin/yang-chakra, which equals Inton and Yoton.
I don't think there's a manga definition for the term "pseudo jinchuriki", huh? So since it's our definition, we can change it around as we need to.
I personally don't think that Naruto's TSB has all natures. So yeah, I can't say anything about that. • Seelentau 愛 21:30, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto, Kaguya, the SPS, and the TSB Edit

I have some thoughts regarding these that I'd like to run by you and see what you think. If we come to a reasonable conclusion, then we can bring them to the site at large, so let's try to leave speculation out of this as much as possible. The fact of the matter is, against each other, we're our own worst enemies: together, though, we could get shit done on this wiki. Of that, there is no question in my mind. So here's my thought process:

  • Recently, Hagoromo noted a similarity in Naruto and Kaguya: both possess the chakra of the nine tailed beasts. Obviously, their chakra was originally Kaguya's, so she'd naturally have it. Naruto gained it by receiving it from the beasts themselves.
    • In that regard, Hagoromo says that Naruto and his mother are the same, though he doesn't think he'll turn out like Kaguya.
  • We know that the Six Paths Sage Technique is likely a result of senjutsu chakra combining with the the chakra of the nine tailed beasts.
    • We know this because the Ten-Tails is made of natural energy and possess the chakra of all nine tailed beasts: the result is its jinchūriki automatically obtain the SPS.

Conclusion: From that alone, I can reasonably connect Kaguya's TSB with Naruto's. I agree with you on one regard: Naruto does not himself have use of all five basic natures and Yin-Yang. He can only use wind and Yang on his own (even before he got the mark, Naruto could manipulate Yang chakra through Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, as that is what turned the White Zetsu into trees). Now, here's where its crucial to follow me through:

  • The TSB are a Tailed Beast Skill; they require the chakras of the beasts to function. Therefore, if Naruto uses them, which he does, we can accept that the tailed beast chakra helps them even without him directly asking for those natures. After all, Minato says that the balls are instantaneous. They form absent of the user's will, which explains why Naruto never asked for help creating them.
    • Matatabi possesses Fire.
    • Isobu possesses Water.
    • Naruto himself already possesses Yang and Wind.
    • Either Chōmei or Gyūki possess Lightning — it doesn't matter which because we know Madara gained lightning chakra for his Storm Release from the Ten-Tails chakra.
  • Son Gokū possesses Earth.
  • Yin Kurama, which was within Naruto at the time, possesses Yin.

From this alone, Naruto has all the components to make up the kekkei mōra of the Truth-Seeking Ball. Like I said, he doesn't have to mold them himself because Mintao claims that they are instantaneously created, and as a tailed beast skill, their chakra is already involved in the creation, so their elements would be present. Does this make any sense? I'm taking this a step at a time. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 18:53, September 14, 2014 (UTC)


Discussion Edit

Excuse the interruption, but I was wondering what I did incorrectly with that discussion I posted. Should I have linked it to some other page? --Plane in the Desert (talk) 16:03, September 17, 2014 (UTC)Plane in the Desert

Re: Obito and Hagoromo's chakra Edit

If I recall correctly, and I usually do, he says Six Paths Power. • Seelentau 愛 13:17, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

No idea. • Seelentau 愛 13:23, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Question 2 Edit

Pre-jinchuuriki... That's what I was getting at on @Tau's page. Hagoromo was using the TSB before becoming jinchuuriki or using tailed beast chakra. I think the TSB is made of the five natures, Yin-Yang, senjutsu, and the Six Paths Power/chakra. Not tailed beast chakra and not a tailed beast skill. And plus, the Six Paths Chakra is Asura + Indra, we still don't know what the Six Paths Power is. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 13:57, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

He is the son of Kaguya, not the son of the fusion of the Shinju and Kaguya. And Hagoromo didn't take any from the Shinju like Kaguya did, he was born with chakra (meaning it was his own). Otherwise, everyone is a pseudo-jinchuuriki of the TT, and every technique with chakra is a pseudo-jinchuuriki technique. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 14:04, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
Then technically, every chakra technique is a tailed beast skill, since they are all psuedo-jinchuuriki by your definition. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 14:09, September 20, 2014 (UTC)
My point exactly. It isn't a tailed beast skill for Hagoromo, so why list it as a TB skill at all? It's like how Kaguya uses the TSB without the SPST, for others, they need the SPST for the TSB, but not Kaguya. That's why the TSB isn't a derived technique of the SPST any longer. Maybe for Obito and Madara, they need to become the TT jinchuuriki to get the five elements, Yin-Yang, senjutsu and Hagoromo's Power for the TSB, but not Hagoromo. That is why I, like @Tau here, is saying the TSB isn't a Tailed Beast skill. Just from the SP Power/Chakra like @Tau said, and the elements and senjutsu. I didn't mean to create a debate, I was just telling @Tau I agreed with him. --WindStar7125 WindStar7125 Task WindStar7125's Task 14:21, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Enton Amaterasu Edit

You will hear no opposition from me. I agree fully. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 19:41, September 20, 2014 (UTC)

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