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== talkpage ==
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== Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation ==
much better now! ;)[[Special:Contributions/79.223.85.106|79.223.85.106]] ([[User talk:79.223.85.106|talk]]) 16:33, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
:hey am I blocked now? your answer to this would be your 4k edit! :D[[Special:Contributions/79.223.68.89|79.223.68.89]] ([[User talk:79.223.68.89|talk]]) 18:22, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: a dumb question ==
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Just like [[The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu]]'s episode or even better. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
   
It [http://tangorin.com/general/秘伝 is] a word in Japanese. It's a word that is rarely used outside of fiction. You can see a few topics, including a very long topic about it at Hiden's talk page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:32, March 17, 2013 (UTC)
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yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.
   
==Edits==
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== Re: Hamura ==
Hi, Elveonora, I just wanna to say that sorry about my edits. From now, Im gonna to mark them as minor edit. Greetings. [[User:Leo Hatake|Leo Hatake]] ([[User talk:Leo Hatake|talk]]) 16:35, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: With all due respect ==
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Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
<blockquote>''Could you please stop addressing Fox's person directly all the time? This has nothing to do with me so I'm sorry for sticking nose into matters I'm not involved in, but it's getting awkward seeing you making it personal quite often. Take it elsewhere, it's kinda childish and this happens since him getting sysop rights.''</blockquote>
 
#I'm not making it personal, he is by constantly being aggressive with all my edits on this wiki.
 
#I'm not going to take it elsewhere, because this is an issue on this wiki and I want all users to see it. I haven't removed or asked other users to take their issues with me elsewhere have I ?
 
#I dislike him because of the fact he requested and got sysop permissions which is quite the opposite of how you are meant to get them. You get them by proving that you are a good editor, you don't get them just by asking. That is, in fact, completely against the Wikia's ideals as well.
 
I keep addressing him because he's the one making a big deal out of my concerns. I am making an opinion and he just takes apart my posts, misquotes words and takes everything I say out of context. I wouldn't have a problem with him if he didn't keep doing this. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:08, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
: Thank you for addressing that, Elve. Not to worry, I have a handle on the situation. If he continues with this, I'll simply take it to the other admins, or deal with it myself.~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:37, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: Hamura symbol ==
   
: Meh, I'm laid back about things. I honestly don't have a problem with him. He's a productive editor. Anyone can see that. I don't know why he has a problem with me, and even if he does, he shouldn't drag the others into it. And yeah, I go inactive for times, and then get really active for times. I usually log on here when the new chapter come out, make my edits, and then log off. Occasionally, I'll make other edits, but I do like to contribute to the debates and discussions. Don't worry, it'll all work out in the end. He'll come around hopefully, and if he doesn't, I'll just drop it. No need to keep senseless arguments going. But again, thanks for your concern ^^ ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 21:49, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
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But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: creepy throat snake no jutsu ==
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== Merging Discussion ==
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Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in [[Will Materialisation]]'s talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with [[Banbutsu Sōzō]]. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- '''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you feel one is necessary and the article can support it sure.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:56, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re:Re:Raws ==
   
== Re: leaf village stuff ==
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I have no idea. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)
   
Or, you could add it and if it needs work, it'll be worked on~ --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:11, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: age ==
   
==Re: Hidan's Eternal Youth==
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I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
That's not the point. It's hard to say it but I found this webpage that features Hidan having eternal youth due to being immortal. If you don't believe me here is the webpage link.
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: In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
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:: Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
   
If you look below and look in the known user box, Hidan's name is in it. Also, eternal youth is under the "Variation" section. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Immortality
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In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] [[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|12px|link=]]
   
And if you look the known user box in the eternal youth page, Hidan's name is also in it. http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Semi-Immortality
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== Enton ==
   
--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)[[User talk:Jon825lazery7]]--[[User:Jon825lazery7|Jon825lazery7]] ([[User talk:Jon825lazery7|talk]]) 20:59, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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::I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
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:::Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
== Re: thank you, ==
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== Re: latest chapter opinion ==
   
Seeing that discussion sparked in my memory that we had those. Felt double-stardardish to refuse adding those names when I recalled there being some names of that nature. I got all I remembered down. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:07, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
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It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]][[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|18px|link=]]
   
== Re: Hayate filler ==
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== Re: your feedback ==
Anyway It would be good next episode the episode may even expand on his relationship with yugao his girlfriend --<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:42, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|SuperSajuuk]] <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:SuperSajuuk/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
   
Haha your crazy haha shikamaru would be like what kurenai had It with hayate haha--<span style="color:CornflowerBlue;">[[User:Jmootam1999]][[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]]</span><span style="color:Indigo;">[[User talk:Jmootam1999|Loves Naruto]]</span> 23:58, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: what do you think? ==
   
== Re: immortality question ==
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You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.
   
In theory, yes. [[wikipedia:Biological immortality|Biological immortality]] does exist in the form of immortalised cell cultures such as [[wikipedia:HeLa|HeLa]] and [[wikipedia:Jurkat cells|Jurkat]] cells. There's [[wikipedia:Turritopsis nutricula|a jellyfish]] which can be biologically immortal through changing back to an immature form, but in nature ends up perishing either to disease or predation. [[wikipedia:Hydra (genus)|Hydra]] have something similar going on, but they don't know how telemore restoration works with their constant cellular division. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:10, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "''What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?''" and "''I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority.''" Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.
   
== FairyTail Fanon wiki ==
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# While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I ''understand'' you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
Hey could you please join FairyTaill Fanon wiki please, It's new and I need Admins who can develop the wiki really well please join --
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# Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.
<span style="padding-left:6px; background-color:Gold; border:6px dotted yellow;{{border-radius|20em 20em 20em 20em}}">[[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]][[User:Jmootam1999|<span style= "font-size:15px; font-family: Bauhaus 93;">'''Jmootam1999'''</span>]][[File:Nature_Icon_Yin–Yang.svg|0x15px]]</span> 09:27, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: how you ==
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Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually ''agree'' with your ''theory'', but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.
   
Yeah, I wonder how Madara could survive after his battle with Hashirama and also how he could find the Gedo statue to bring the supply of his life until he met Obito. Perhaps he awakened his Rinnegan at that time to allow himself to control the life as he desire. And maybe Itachi was right about most of Madara's theories that you talked about, but I think we'll know more of Madara's flashbacks very soon. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:43, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.
   
== Re: chapter 626 ==
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:You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has ''only'' a Rinnegan comes from the '''speculation''' that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to '''Madara''' and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
   
I don't have access to the chapters 625 and 626 yet. Mangahead is seemingly having some problems with the Naruto raws and I don't have any other raw source. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:46, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
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:Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. ''All'' Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because ''all'' of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as ''Sharingan''. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "''natural evolution''". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "''what lies beyond the Sharingan''" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.
:Uh, I don't know what Genjutsu sound words look like, but I don't see anything that would stand out. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
::Nope, the sound effect ザ ''za'' stands for ''whoosh'' or such, describing strong, energetic movement of the rain, in this case. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
== Re:Forum talk ==
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Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.
   
The ones who knew her as his mother aren't the ones who would be crazy on killing him (for being Minato's son), are they?'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 15:36, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.
   
Doesn't seem that kind of a person... Hiruzen must have decieded so only after accurately measuring the pros and cons (?)'''~ [[User:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:blue;">Ultimate</span>]][[User talk:UltimateSupreme|<span style="color:#EE2C2C;">Supreme</span>]]''' 16:38, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
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Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
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Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)'''''[[User: KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]]'''''[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization]]
   
== Hashirama's scar ==
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== Re: 681 scans ==
   
Did you noticed in the recent chapter that Hashirama's scar on his nose bridge in the Hokage Monument isn't exist? Of course we're talking about the recent timing. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 14:18, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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:You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
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::Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
== FTG Slash ==
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== Re: almost forgot about this ==
   
Hey man , is it true that Minato says Tobi has better space time ninjutsu than him and the Second ? If so, what chapter ? Im starting to get a little confused as to what things suggest it's Space time ninjutsu (other than the name), could you clear this up for me ? (maybe give me some reasons ? ahaha)Thanks --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 12:09, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)
   
Ok cool , what chapter did you say ? ahhaha "50x" ? :p I dont really understand. Sorry for being pedantic, I just dont recall this part about the Second ! --[[User:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|Keep Calm And Call Kakashi]] ([[User talk:Keep Calm And Call Kakashi|talk]]) 13:26, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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== Re: confirmed ==
   
== Re: Hayate filler arc ==
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Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara ''again''? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
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: I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
   
Unfortunately, no info available yet for that. [[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User_talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 19:21, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:: Very true. True enough. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple).svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
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== Re: Probability ==
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None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean ''Lava''. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means ''to melt'', so it would be ''Melt/Melting(?) Release''. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to ''to dissolve'', making Mei's KG a ''Dissolution Release''. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the ''lava'' part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for ''lava'' but literally simply means ''Molten Rock''. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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:Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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::Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
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Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.
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== Tobirama's raw strength. ==
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Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014
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I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014
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I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014
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== RP: Rude ==
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I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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: Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
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:: They were most likely fighting the ''rest'' of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

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Re: Mandara vs Hiroshima art/animation Edit

Just like The Allied Shinobi Forces Jutsu's episode or even better. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:40, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Not good?! Compared to Madara vs. Shinobi Alliance episode, it's not that good.. But I bet that it would be amazing because this episode is an in-house produced unlike today's episode while it's outsourced episode. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 17:08, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

yes we know since it uses byakugan it must be the kekekenkai of byakugan. It might be a technique of gentle fist.

Re: Hamura Edit

Good Morning. Please review the most recent version of Hamura's article.--Cerez365 Hyūga Symbol (talk) 16:27, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hamura symbol Edit

But Sasuke's symbol is on his left hand, while Naruto's in on his right, check in the previous chapter when Sasuke mentions his Yin Release and Naruto's Yang Release. You can also see the a part of Naruto's chakra shroud covering his hand, and both Sasuke's wrist cloth and a bit of his belt sash in the panel. I think that since Hagoromo himself was able to grant them the two powers, he'd have to have both as well, so it wouldn't make sense for Hamura to have only one. They both would have Yin and Yang. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:33, June 18, 2014 (UTC)

Merging Discussion Edit

Hey Elveo, did you ever get a chance to check out the recent discussion over in Will Materialisation's talkpage? It's a discussion on whether or not to merge it with Banbutsu Sōzō. I'd like your opinion on the matter, seeing as that I believe you supported the merger in the past. Anyway, I know that you'd understand when I say that talk pages topics tend to go cold really quickly, without a resolution. -- KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 15:47, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Re:Raws Edit

I have no idea. • Seelentau 愛 21:41, June 21, 2014 (UTC)

Re: age Edit

I am 21, approaching 22 this December :3 ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 15:22, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In America? Whew, that's a seminar my friend. The American Educational System is nothing to boast about hahaha What is it you had a question about? ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 15:27, June 23, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it varies slightly from state to state, but generally 1st-6th grades are considered Elementary School, 7th-8th are considered Middle School (though in some states, like Oklahoma, middle school starts in 6th grade; all depends on the state), 9th-12th is high school, and then college is optional. A lot of American colleges offer dual enrollment for high school students who want to gain college credits, which was actually something I did in my senior year of high school. Of course, like where you are, the length of college depends on the person and the degree in question. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 17:18, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

In addition, in many states you can skip grade levels, like I am in middle school and I am literally taking a math course that is two grades above my current grade level.KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple (talk) 15:43, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Enton Edit

So what did the new chapter do to our long forgotten discussion about Enton, Enton: Kagutsuchi and Amatersu? • Seelentau 愛 10:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

I already gave it on the talk page: No, not gonna happen at least until I got the raws and checked wtf they actually say. • Seelentau 愛 10:49, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
I think I said something like Amaterasu is Enton and Enton: Kagutsuchi is not only the shape transformation, but also the release of the flames. The latest chapter proves that Sasuke indeed uses Kagutsuchi to shape the flames he created with Amaterasu, meaning Enton: Kagutsuchi is like Amaterasu and shape control in one. • Seelentau 愛 11:33, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
Still on the road, it's up to you this time. Also, I want them to bow before me, because I was right and no one believed me, once again. :D • Seelentau 愛 11:47, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: latest chapter opinion Edit

Wasted pages. If Part I look back is what they wanted, they could have tried an updated version of their shuriken feint against Zabuza. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:25, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

It was a pretty decent chapter, I hope I see Sasuke fight Black Zetsu or Kaguya and FINALLY use the power of the Six Paths and hopefully Shinra Tensei.KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple(talk) 20:03, June 25, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96AlicizationSharingan Triple

Re: your feedback Edit

I'm not participating in any of those discussions as I don't read the manga and don't really care to involve myself in those discussions: the only time I'd step in is to tell people not to be so heated or name calling, other than that I just stick around the forums to keep them readable. --SuperSajuuk Talk Page | My Image Uploads | Tabber Code | Channel 17:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Re: what do you think? Edit

You've always been blunt with me, so I'll be blunt with you. If you ever want to know whether it is yourself that is the problem, or rather others that are the problem, ask yourself this: "Who/what is the common denominator?" Nine times out of ten, the common denominator is the problem. Its up to you to ask yourself who or what that is. I can't answer that for you, but that is a question I ask myself whenever something doesn't seem right about a situation. But that isn't the root of your message.

The root of your message lies with these two phrases: "What if I'm in fact clever and stupid people are just... well, too stupid to comprehend and appreciate my intellect and they simply hate that which they don't understand?" and "I may never know, but I like to convince myself of my superiority." Let's work with these two for a moment and see if we can't come to some sort of revelation here.

  1. While it is true that most people (humans in general) hate that which they can't comprehend, this isn't your problem, based on my interactions with you. I understand you. When you lay out a point or a suggestion, I understand what you're conveying or attempting to convey, but that doesn't automatically equal agreement. Your true problem lies in the second point.
  2. Word of advice, people (again, in general) don't respond well to those always attempting to assert their superiority. In this modern day of free speech and "tolerance", everyone wants to at least believe in some form of equality, so when you have someone who constantly tries to make themselves seem more superior than the average Joe, it is met with resistance.

Look, I have a feeling this all stems from the recent, rather volatile arguments taking place on the talk pages, so again, I'll be frank with you. The "rejection" you speak of does not come from a possession, or lack thereof, of intelligence. It comes from the way you approach topics. First of all, we all have theories about how this series works. I have only shared with you my theories on anything in this series a handful of times and only because you ask. There is a reason for that. Among a community of fans, pissing matches often kick off because one person believes their theory to be "more accurate" than that of others and arguments start. That is why I always hound you to give me page/chapter/episode references. Many times, unbeknownst to you, I will actually agree with your theory, but completely reject what you're saying because it has no evidence-based foundation, or has a very loose foundation at best.

Take for example Kaguya's forehead eye.

You do realize that our current assumption (which I believe to be wrong), that she has only a Rinnegan comes from the speculation that her eye has always been in a Rinnegan form, and never progressed from a Sharingan, along with a vague statement from Sasuke that actually refers to Madara and his IT? That is the foundation for the "facts" you presented me during that argument.
Meanwhile, Hagoromo, the woman's son, says he forehead eye directly bears the Sharingan's power. Well of course it does. We just saw, last chapter, Sasuke using Amaterasu from a Rinnegan; or Madara using Susanoo from a Rinnegan. All Rinnegan have the Sharingan's power because all of the Rinnegan (save Hagoromo's) that have been shown began as Sharingan. This is further backed up by Kabuto's statements about the Rinnegan being part of the Sharingan's "natural evolution". And yes, the translation Seel provided that the Rinnegan is "what lies beyond the Sharingan" supports the evolution translation because they mean the same thing.

Looking at that, which argument has more basis? It is clear which one has more evidence and yet look which version was ramrodded down our throat? By yourself and Seel no less.

Can you understand why myself, and a select few others, might be slightly adverse to that? I realize this message is huge, but I'm going to continue. Bear with me. Communication is key to having your side of things accepted or rejected. Telling people that their suggestions are nothing but lucrative fanon, which you do, calling them mentally ill, which you have, or resulting to religious attacks (how you refer to their faith in a topic being akin to some "insane" religious people), which by the way, is a category that includes me, automatically shuts them down. They go flat into rejection mode and you've lost all hopes of conveying your thoughts.

Consider taking a softer approach and being more willing to leave your theories at the door and consider actual facts. I've seen you say that yourself at one point, but I've hardly seen any actual effort on your part to do that. Its something I'm working on as well. Softer approaches are the only way we calm this wiki down. It is, after all, a fictional series we're recording here. We don't need to treat every topic as if the end of existence is upon us. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 18:06, June 26, 2014 (UTC) Foxie, I agree with you. Elve, attempt to take a softer approach to things. You are an intelligent individual.21:29, June 26, 2014 (UTC)KiritoLevel96Alicization Sharingan Triple

Re: 681 scans Edit

Yeah, it's out. Some websites have released the latest issue of Shōnen Jump (2014-#30) today and you could get the full chapter from that. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 15:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome, Elve-kun :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 20:57, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Senpai answered your question on my talkpage. Check it out ^_^ —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 13:34, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Re: almost forgot about this Edit

Unfortunately Elev-kun no I haven't and yeah me as well. I've tried many times to have the "Shiro" version of Chikara arc DVD box-set which contains this episode but I couldn't get an one. I think we'll see that in the English dubbed episode in the future since they uses the uncut version of Naruto episodes. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 22:45, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

Re: confirmed Edit

Tobirama made me do a face-wall while reading the chapter. Revive Madara again? Oh sure, because that worked out SO well the first time xD hahaha ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 00:30, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

I'm actually a big fan of Tobirama. He and Danzo are a lot alike, but I feel that Tobirama actually got the job done. I mean, had Madara not been, well, himself, Tobirama would've succeeded in ridding the scourge of the Uchiha clan forever. Itachi and perhaps Shisui were the only saving grace of that clan anyways. I don't know why Danzo always rubs me wrong, but Tobirama is okay in my books. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 18:56, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
Very true. True enough. ~ Ten Tailed Fox Sasuke's Rinnegan (Purple) 20:45, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Probability Edit

None of those Kanji necessarily have to mean Lava. 熔, the Kanji used in Roshi's, Kurotsuchi's, Dodai's and Naruto's case, means to melt, so it would be Melt/Melting(?) Release. However, this Kanji is archaic and not used anymore. Instead, they use 溶, which translates to to dissolve, making Mei's KG a Dissolution Release. The difference between both Kanji is almost none, so that's why we decided not to have two KG. If we'd go by "different name = different technique", we'd probably have two jutsu. Now, the lava part comes from 溶岩 (熔岩), which is the Japanese word for lava but literally simply means Molten Rock. • Seelentau 愛 12:31, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Gobi doesn't have Boil Release. • Seelentau 愛 12:55, July 9, 2014 (UTC)
Ya, I sure. There's a different between steam and smoke, even though both is created with heat. Smoke doesn't have a pH level, for example (or none that I know of). • Seelentau 愛 13:03, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Well if Kaguya started all those clans she must be part of them.

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--Jashin Uchiha (talk) 13:12, July 9, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama's raw strength. Edit

Characters like Jirobo and Tsunade have monstrous strength even without chakra enhancement. Being related to Tsunade, it is not a stretch for Tobirama to have great raw strength. Steveo920, 15:58, July 10, 2014

I watched the episode again, and there was no sign of using chakra. Tobirama already made it clear that when forcibly using his chakra in its raw form, it becomes visible. Clearly, he pushed on it. Also, Kakashi did announce using the first gate. He shouted "open". Steveo920, 16:11, July 10, 2014

I never said it was his signature trait by far. A wall cracking has no definite nature on how the cracks will form. You said it yourself. If he was going to test the full force of his chakra, it would have been seen. The Impure World Technique deludes the summoned target's physical might, not their chakra potency. Look at Zabuza. Steveo920, 16:44, July 10, 2014

RP: Rude Edit

I went to Omnibender since he's a moderator here. You're too confrontational and you are trying to force your own opinion on other people. You call people you don't agree with idiots. In a sense, I went to a mod since this is a problem YOU have. I backed up what I put with an episode reference which is also in the manga. You extrapolate or outright make up that Madara fought the entire Senju Clan there when Hashirama would have never allowed that.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:29, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

Tobirama and the other Senju never fought Madara. Hashirama wouldn't have allowed it doe to Madara's strength: Hashirama was the only one powerful enough to battle him. The manga and anime presented it solely as a Madara vs Hashirama duel, not Madara vs Entire Senju Clan.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:36, July 11, 2014 (UTC)
They were most likely fighting the rest of the Uchiha Clan there. No Senju, not even Tobirama could have faced Madara at that point. It was presented solely as a Hashirama vs Madara duel. Hashirama and Madara battled it out for 24 hours and Hashirama won.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:48, July 11, 2014 (UTC)

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