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== Blaze Release = Amaterasu + Yin Release ==
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== Re: hello ==
   
Sasuke cast Amaterasu with his left eye and Tsukuyomi with right, that according to 2nd Mizukage, genjutsu = Yin Release.
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Hi, Elveonora. I'm sorry that this is months late, but as you have noted, I have not been here for a while. However, be assured, as I have dropped in occasionally to observe progress; I've just been quite busy with studies and work, but you are also right about me somewhat giving up on Naruto - It's not entirely true, as I have enjoyed the series, but I had to lay off for a bit because my expectations and attachments had become too large. Of course, I have also been following the series, and while there were large disappointments along the way, I feel alright with how it ended.
So Sasuke first cast it with left eye and then give it form with his imagination (Yin) with his Tsukuyomi right eye.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:54, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Naruto's and Killer B's Jinchuriki Forms ==
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I had also been working as a translator for the Korean webcomic series Tower of God, so that was also a thing that had me occupied.
   
We have seen Killer B using version 1 and version 2 of his transformation.
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To try and answer your questions:
Killer B's version 2 looks like Naruto's 4 tailed form and Killer B is able to summon/create Eigh-Tail's skull/bones to increase power of his Lariat. This is again similar to Naruto's 6 tailed form.
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* I still personally feel like black lightning was meant to be the Lightning variant of Amaterasu. Seeing how the recent databook translations by Seelentau have revealed Amaterasu and Blaze Release to just be a stronger modified Fire, I'd imagine that black lightning was intended to be a stronger Lightning Release in a similar manner.
So theory:
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* My current guess for "Magnet Release" is that it isn't the simplest form of magnetism that we imagine. While magnetism falls under it, I'm guessing that the "磁" may have been expanded to include "forces" (all that Naruto science) that move other metallic or earthen materials. As far as I'm aware, gold is only weakly diamagnetic as well, but it was controlled on almost the same scale as iron sand was. In conclusion, I believe that this is just like the Lava, Storm and Boil Releases in that its name isn't always literally what it does (I was always a fan of the "The nature name is only symbolic" thing.). While unconfirmed, I believe that the appearance of Magnetism+sand on [[Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken]] is good evidence for believing that that is how sand is manipulated.
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* I have no choice but to concede to Kishi's classification of Blaze Release. One of the minor reasons for my leave was because coming here too often twisted and limited my thoughts, and I often found clarity when I had ceased rambling on in a hurry to fill ideas. At this stage, considering the general connotation of the character "炎" (flame) in Japanese, Chinese and Korean, it makes the most sense for it to be a stronger Fire, and nothing more. I would, however, still assume that "Blaze" is Sharingan-based, since I don't imagine Sasuke using it without the dōjutsu. However, we'll probably never know.
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* The pattern theory (if true at all) requires that that Wind+Lightning be "Wind modified by Lightning" or "Wind with properties of Lightning", so as long as your interpretation of Magnetism agrees with this, it seems possible to not disagree. However, I would personally stick to Lightning+Earth, although I have no idea how Kishi views Magnetism.
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** (Of course, the recent revelation that it's highly likely to be Earth+Wind kills our discussion, I suppose.)
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* I was once a proponent of the idea that Fire+Lightning=Blaze, because I felt that lightning's charged plasma nature would "enhance" fire to produce solar plasma, which in this case was expressed as black flames (because Kishi thinks black fire looks cool). In an alternative interpretation, Amaterasu is only fire, but so hot that it's charged - Lightning thus allows one to manipulate it. (Not that any of this is valid anymore, seeing the recent classifications.) If this ''was'' true, however, it would not disagree with the pattern theory.
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Again, I apologize for being so late; I may be around a tad bit more often, so please do feel free to chat me up. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 03:46, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
   
Version 1 is formed when the host is using his/her own chakra and less than that of Biju's chakra ... For example ratio 3:2 of Human/Demon chakra.
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I just travelled quite a bit as a child, so I was able to loosely learn a few languages during my earlier life. I certainly don't think that it's anything special, and even if it was a talent, we all have that in some area. Now, onto ''Naruto''-related business:
But when the host will let himself/herself being overwhelmed with more of Biju's chakra with their own chakra suppressed for example ratio of 2:3 of Human/Demon chakra, the version 2 is formed.
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* I would feel better about Blaze and Black Lightning if the "strengthening" was just caused by a combination with Yin or Yang. However, Darui and the Third Raikage were not recorded as users of Yin or Yang, so that seems unlikely. Seems like we do need to go with the "stronger version" idea, unless Black Lightning is not really like Amaterasu. Perhaps [[Gengetsu]]'s oil-like water could be a similar sort of "stronger version".
Since Killer B is friend with Eight-Tails, he was in control of it unlike Naruto.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 16:47, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
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* My current idea for Magnet Release is that the Wind nature represents an invisible force that acts on objects from a distance, causing them to float, as seen in the Ice and Scorch natures. If floating ice panels and floating fireballs can be created, it seems that Magnet Release controlling floating earth (sand, metals) is possible. If so, then the name "Magnet" would just be symbolism for forces that move earthen materials and Magnet Release would encompass both normal magnetism (for iron sand, Toroi's technique) and other unspecified forces (for gold dust, sand). This new definition would be okay with my pattern theory, as Earth would still enhance Wind (to make an invisible earth-controlling force, similar to my "solidified air" theory for sand) and the result would be "opposite" to Lightning, possibly meaning that Lightning and Magnetism oppose each other (Lightning would revert Magnetism to Wind, according to the pattern theory).
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** While we tend to think of magnets as being related to electricity in modern times (electromagnetism), it is likely that people in old times didn't know about the relationship, and simply believed magnets to be rocks that could push other rocks with this mysterious pressure (that's what it feels like when I play with magnets, anyway), so perhaps Kishimoto's combination makes sense. I support the idea that the natures are named in a ''traditional'' manner, while the effects of the Releases' techniques are more technical. (I use Storm as strong evidence of that.) It's true that the Naruto world has advanced technology, but I think most of the technique names are named in ways that invoke ''old-language'' uses.
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** Of course, the above is just my theory and for now, we should not label any of Gaara's techniques as Magnet Release in my opinion. Kishimoto has occasionally redefined things (like Amaterasu) but until such a move is made, it seems that sand-based techniques should remain considered non-elemental.
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* I personally liked it better when the Tailed Beast Skills were just unique abilities, with Son being the only one possessing an advanced nature. However, I did share your idea that the Tailed Beasts, Ten-Tails included, would have the ten natures, when it was revealed that Shukaku had Magnet Release (and consequently Kokuō with Boil). I always did feel that Wood's mysterious relation to Tailed Beasts was a hint of sorts, and I suppose that the Shinju cleared that up. I don't know if Kishimoto is actually going to follow through with our expectations (since he's great at that), but if I was forced to match them up, I'd say the following (I don't have strong confidence in them, at all):
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** Isobu would have Ice. I can imagine it using [[Demonic Ice Crystal Mirrors | ice mirrors]], since Yagura used the [[Water Release: Water Mirror Technique]].
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** Gyūki's beam-like techniques in video games seem similar to Storm Release to me, so it seems okay to guess that Gyūki has Storm. The octopus-like shape could explain the Water component. The ink might also be symbolically connected to dark storm clouds (reminiscent of the movie's usage of Storm).
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** Chōmei would have my Wind+Lightning combination, a super-vibration sort of nature, since insect wings do that. Wind+Lightning also reminds me of light, and that might connect to the insect scales.
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** Kurama is a nine-tailed fox, which also bears connections to ghostly fire, and could have Scorch. Otherwise, Explosion would be my guess, given Kurama's connection to disasters. I suppose it could trade Explosion for the Wind+Lightning I gave to Chōmei.
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** Matatabi would be given Explosion... for now. Ideally, it would be given Scorch, due to its being a bakeneko and its relation to ghostly fire. (I actually want to give it Dark Release due to using [[Dark Release: Judgment | ghostly blue flames]], but I must hold off unless Dark is shown to be canon.)
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** Saiken... since Earth+Lightning failed to be Magnet, it might be something that has a connection to alkaline substances (since they're earthen and can [[Exploding Bubble | explode]]), but this is a weak theory. If Earth enhances Lightning, it might form a different kind of force that can turn earth into a soapy or alkaline substance. If I recall correctly, my theory on [[Soap Bubble Ninjutsu]] was that it combined Saiken's natural alkali and Utakata's Water nature. It's possible now that the natural alkali is this unexpected combination. Then, just like how Deidara combines Explosion (Fire+Lightning?) and Earth to make [[Exploding Clay]], Utakata would combine "Alkali" (Earth+Lightning?) and Water to make his special soap bubbles.
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* Anyway, that was just me rambling, since I haven't thought too deeply about it, so don't trust that it's my final thoughts on everything. Again, I don't quite strongly believe in it. As for the pattern theory, it's still alive for me; I'll just need to update it when I actually have time.
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If you would like to know what I want from ''Naruto'' now, I simply want closure regarding this elemental matter, because it's a big part of why I got into Naruto in the first place. I was curious about how Kishimoto saw these elements, and I just need that to be wrapped up.
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* 1. I would like Crystal, Dark, Steel and Swift to be introduced as official in some side material for consistency. For me, Crystal would be a [[kekkei tōta]] (No one knew about it, so kekkei genkai seems unlikely, and kekkei tōta are considered to be much rarer, which fits Guren's condition for me). Dark, Steel and Swift were mentioned to be kekkei genkai, but Kishimoto might change his mind. I feel like Dark's ability to absorb other natures might place it apart, although I wanted it to be a combination involving Fire (Fire+Wind, long time ago). I would like Steel to be an enhanced Earth (black earth, just like black fire and lightning) instead of a kekkei genkai, but it could be Earth+Lightning (Pattern theory survives only if Steel changes Earth into Steel and does not produce any Steel on its own). Since 迅雷 (jinrai) means "thunder", I would like Swift (迅) to be Wind+Lightning (which I gave a placeholder name "Thunderclap") if it used super-vibrating slashes or sonic waves instead of just speeding the user up.
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* 2. If the above does not happen, have the movie villain or other characters use a single technique for each of the remaining natures. Kishimoto is much more involved in this upcoming movie, so he should have the ability to have characters use two simple techniques. Even if it's used by random unnamed ninja fighting in an opening scene, we would know that these new natures were approved by Kishimoto. I certainly don't count on it, but if he does, we can simply take those two and Explosion and fit them to Earth+Lightning, Wind+Lightning, and Fire+Lightning.
   
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That was a bit long, but since I've been away for a while, I might as well tell someone my thoughts.
   
== Mikoto betrayed Kushina ==
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I spend most of my free time with my friends if possible, and since I spend a most of my time studying, almost all remaining time goes to connecting with people. I'm not a sports or gaming guy. I enjoy most kinds of movies, especially sci-fis and thrillers. My translating work is also non-paid and is more of a hobby to keep practicing my Korean (chatting in Korean is no problem, but more difficult words require constant use). Be assured, I am obviously nowhere close to superhuman, and certainly not above anyone else. Why don't you tell me a little about yourself next time? I might not be back for a while, though, haha. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 12:55, November 30, 2014 (UTC)
Other than the people participating, Mikoto was the only one that knew about Kushina's pregnancy.
 
So in short:
 
* Tobi came to Uchiha Clan saying he is Uchiha Madara
 
* He came for revenge
 
* Tobi got from Mikoto the location and details about Kushina giving birth.
 
* The reason for Uchiha were nowhere to be found during the Fox's attack is because "Madara" told them to hold back or they will be killed as well.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 07:15, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Tobi being Izuna ==
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== ORAS ==
   
Tobi:
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The protomorphosis happens if Groudon/Kyogre absorbs large amounts of natural energy. Senjutsu confirmed in Pokémon! :D • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:46, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
* Height 175.0 cm
 
* Weight 55.9 kg
 
Izuna:
 
* Height 174.8 cm
 
* Weight 55.9 kg
 
   
* Madara's hobby is falconry.
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== chat ==
* Madara (斑) can be translated as "spots".
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Been a while, can you come on chat? :D --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 11:59, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
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:^ If you can. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 23:06, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
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::^ If possible dude. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|Talk Page]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|Contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 17:19, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:::^ And again. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:51, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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::::It was about something else actually... --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 22:54, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Whatever, it's not really all that important. Not really sure where all the "anti-chat" is coming from, but it's interesting to see... --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 23:05, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:Able to join chat? --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:22, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
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::^ --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 13:31, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
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:::Alright. :) --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 13:56, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
Tobi can be translated as "jump" (飛), or as "kite" (鳶). The latter translation connects Tobi with Taka through the Japanese proverb "a hawk born from a kite" (鳶が鷹を生む, tobi ga taka o umu), meaning that an extraordinarily gifted child can be born from ordinary parents.
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== Re: Ootsutsuki ==
   
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Na, they're an alien life form. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:21, December 20, 2014 (UTC)
   
Hmm, Tobi "jump" Madara "spots"
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== Re: prejudice ==
Tobi: "a hawk born from a kite"
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Just was wondering based on your comments. For the record I'm Catholic, but I'm not going to interfere with you; Sajuuk already removed my question.[[User:Gemnist|Gemnist]] ([[User talk:Gemnist|talk]]) 00:40, December 26, 2014 (UTC)Gemnist
Madara's hobby being "falconry".
 
   
Tobi:
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== Re: Oro ==
* "It will be a new world… A world of truth, not lies."
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Sorry for replying so late. I must have skimmed over your comment. The databook neither says Oro can, nor cannot, specifically. It only mentions White Zetsu as a user. However, by doing a little bit of digging into the Living Corpse Reincarnation, and it doesn't mention anything about Orochimaru ''modifying his body to make it look like the original''. The possessed body takes on his form automatically. This was shown with Genryuumaru, Oro's host prior to his attempt on Sasuke. The manual modifying, thought to be done by Orochimaru, and possibly his [[Vanishing Facial Copy Technique]], is technically speculation.--'''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 05:35, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
(The lie being that Madara's power is his own ... he gained a new light, EMS and a Rinnegan from Izuna's eyes thus Madara's power being that of Izuna)
 
* "The true power of the Sharingan… this Madara Uchiha's power!"
 
(Uchiha Madara's power being that of Tobi/Izuna since he has his eyes ... Tobi claims that power being his since it were his own eyes to begin with)
 
* "Soon… all our goals will be achieved… and when they are, everything will be as it should."
 
(Everything will be as it should, Tobi/Izuna getting his power back)
 
   
Eighty years prior to the start of the series, Izuna and his older brother Madara were said to be "equals" as the most gifted members of the Uchiha clan.
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Elveo, I've corrected my mistake. I paid a little too much attention to how Oro looked like a Zetsu version of himself immediately after possessing the body of a parasite clone. In that, I was probably acting in bias. That's my fault. Thank you for correcting me.--'''[[User:Koto Senju|Koto]]'''<small><sup>[[user talk: Koto Senju|Talk Page]]-[[Special:Contributions/Koto Senju|My Contributions]]</sup></small> 19:00, January 2, 2015 (UTC)
When Madara eventually went blind, "he took Izuna's eyes" to regain his sight. Itachi Uchiha suggested that his eyes had been taken by force; however, Tobi insisted that Izuna had willingly given up his eyes for the good of his brother and the whole clan.
 
   
Notice, http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/399/3
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== Re: Yo ==
* Sasuke: You stole your brother's eyes
 
* "Madara": I did
 
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/399/4
 
* "Madara": My younger brother accepted his role and willingly gave his eyes to me
 
Also it must be Tobi from where Itachi learned the story from.
 
Now he confirms Madara took Izuna's eyes only to later say Izuna/he gave him his eyes ... Notice Tobi's reaction in that panel.
 
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/386/2
 
* Sasuke: Uchiha Madara learned the "final" (notice the "final" meaning final stage/power) secret of the mangekyou sharingan ?
 
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/386/9
 
* Itachi: A permanent mangekyou sharingan! But that was only half of the story. The transplant also gave birth to a completely new doujutsu (Rinnegan)
 
Notice the demon statue's forehead resemble Rinnegan but http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/386/13 Itachi's statue forehead is missing it.
 
http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/386/10
 
* Itachi: Though he lost the battle for control, he remains alive and well, as do his eyes and their power.
 
This is not true, since real Madara being dead ... unless the real Madara gave his eyes to Nagato to store them and take it back after his revival.
 
* Tobi said "I gave Nagato the Rinnegan" to Konan ... thats true, since Tobi act as Madara ... What Tobi claims he did are actions of the real Madara.
 
* "The eyes were mine to begin with" to Kabuto, Kabuto know he is not Madara so now he is speaking for his real self ... "mine to begin with" another proof its Izuna.
 
   
Also http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/399/5
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Sorry for my late reply, for this week. Yeah, Naruto and Pokemon anime resumes to be aired. And you're welcome, I personally liked the idea of today's episode :) —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 12:30, January 8, 2015 (UTC)
* "Madara": What did my brother sacrifice his eyes for?!
 
Thats true, Izuna gave his eyes to Madara so the Senju can be defeated ... however, the truce pact was made later leaving the sacrifice meaningless.
 
   
We know that Sharingan has ability to project/show things to other people.
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== Re: old hamura ==
Like Sasuke showing Kabuto Orochimaru's failed insurrection and Itachi showing the history of Uchiha to Sasuke.
 
It's obvious the masked man has shown the same thing to Itachi first most likely when they met as a proof of him being "Madara" because only Madara could know and show the history of Konoha,Uchiha and himself and his brother Izuna, so Itachi was fooled.
 
   
But, Edo Madara commented on Nagato being a brat indicating he died when Nagato was not mature or old/powerful enough for respect.
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In the movie? His screenshots aren't out yet. Though I have his ''Retsu no Sho'' pic (he's aged a lot)!--[[User:Hisana456|Hisana456]] ([[User talk:Hisana456|talk]]) 13:49, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
The masked man met Itachi not much years ago and Nagato died as a man in his late 30's or early 40's.
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: Here: http://imgur.com/Nr6zGBF --[[User:Hisana456|Hisana456]] ([[User talk:Hisana456|talk]]) 13:56, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
Thus basically the man that Itachi met was "Tobi" with Madara already dead, this is supported by Kabuto's and Orochimaru's research of Madara's corpse.
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::Exactly! He was supposed to be the 'hot' one.. but yeah, he's Hago's twin afterall.--[[User:Hisana456|Hisana456]] ([[User talk:Hisana456|talk]]) 14:05, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
   
Thus the only person with more or less the same knowledge of Madara, Izuna, Uchiha, Konoha, Hashirama etc. can't be no one else than Izuna himself with Madara already dead.
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== Re: Jin no Sho English ==
 
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More supported by their baseline hair, eyes, eyebrows being the same and Tobi having the same height as Izuna, with more connections listed above.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:00, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Replies ==
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You do realize I live in Germany? :D I have no idea about English release dates, sorry. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:38, January 19, 2015 (UTC)
   
On the kekkei tōta and kekkei genkai theory, lots of things already stated in the series contradict it. Wood Release was specifically called kekkei genkai both in the manga and in databooks. The meaning of kekkei tōta is literally "bloodline selection", which probably deals with selective breeding of shinobi from certain bloodlines so they show desirable traits. It's an artificial selection, that's what humans did to dogs, and the reason why there are so many different dig breeds. I don't think it has to do with hiden techniques as well, otherwise Deidara would be a kekkei tōta user as well. All of his exploding clay techniques were ranked as hiden in databooks, and he was recently revealed as a Explosion Release user, which is a kekkei genkai, so his techniques are at the same time kekkei genkai and hiden. So far, that has not been called kekkei tōta, and I don't think it will. For all we know, Mū and Ōnoki simply are relatives of some sort, or even offspring of people with the same desirable traits that had children, and both ended up with the same traits, and due to seniority, Mū tutored Ōnoki on how to use it.
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== Classifications ==
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Those nature releases that I just reverted edits on come from non-canonical sources so cannot be classified as being a "Kekkei Genkai". Those edits are actually speculation added by the user, unless you can link me to any valid source that claims them as being such. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:35, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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:It's likely a mistake in the articles as, unless a databook or character physically stated that they're a kekkei genkai (which nobody said for the Crystal Release), it's technically speculative in nature and should be removed. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
On Blaze Release, I pretty much agree. Most of my thoughts on this are in my element recomposition theory page. While the chapter wasn't clear on whether Yin Release is just genjutsu (meaning only genjutsu is Yin Release) or if genjutsu is a sub-category of Yin Release (meaning there are non-genjutsu Yin Release techniques, or even non Yin Release genjutsu). From the moment Yin Release was said to deal with creating shape and form, Blaze Release started making some sense.
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== Re: I suppose ==
   
On jinchūriki forms, I think they only things ever said about it was drawing more power from the tailed beasts. The only thing about ratios in chakra regarding tailed beasts so far is how to perform the Tailed Beast Ball. I can see the ratio being applied to other things as well, but I don't see it as something that necessarily happens in this case.
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Nope, nothing. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:11, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:Nope. The special chapter isn't included, not sure about the interview. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:36, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::It totally is, I use it for almost all translations. I only use the physical copy when something's blurry or too small. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:08, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
On the sixth coffin, I don't think that's a very good reason to think it's Izuna. I think it's possible that it is Izuna, but I think that it's a much too obvious choice. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:08, October 10, 2011 (UTC)
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== re: jin no sho ==
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Are you talking about the English one (if there is one, link please) or the japanese one?<br>-- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 21:45, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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:[http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=%C9%D9%C4%EAjump&tid=3390680021&pic_id=70d7be003af33a878a1d7e71c55c10385243b553&pn=1&see_lz=0 Here.] How did you know I had it though? -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 22:16, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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::K then. Congrats on the 14000 edits, btw. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 22:44, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
Really thanks for your time. Well, retcons are not uncommon ... it happened in Naruto before ... one chapter/databook says this and next the something else.
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== re: tailed beast genders ==
If its really breeding, why Kurotsuchi and Kitsuchi have no such powers ?, thats right ... we dont know if Kitsuchi is Onoki's son. But why at least Kurotsuchi has no Dust Release then but instead she has Lava?
 
So Uchiha + Hyuga = New Kekkei Tota ? That really dont explain why only Hashirama had Wood Release and why we have not seen Madara using it.
 
Also Tsunade is both Uzumaki and Senju and she has no KKG or KKT.
 
Deidara's mouths are the result of the Forbidden Technique he stole and it allows him to create his clay with those mouths on palm.
 
His KKG is Explosion Release but those clays are Earth Natured.
 
I really would not be surprised if Deidara's powers will later turn out to be Kekkei Tota since Onoki trained him.
 
Thats why I think my theory is correct but we will have to wait for a new Databook.
 
   
I dont think Yin Release is only Genjutsu ... its many things that have something to do with "spiritual energy that governs the imagination, can be used to create form out of nothingness" I think Shadow Imitation Technique is pretty much Yin Release for example and Shadow Sewing Technique is Yin-Yang Release.
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Where did the databooks say they have genders? Is the answer to that question.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:33, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks you think its right :- ) Wonder what effect would have Amaterasu + Yang O_O
 
   
I think my 1st and 2nd transformation theory is right. Nine-Tails took control of Naruto with the 4th tail when too much of its chakra has leaked out and overwhelmed Naruto's own due to his unstable emotions from Orochimaru Sasuke talk.
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== Re: Kaguya advanced natures ==
Naruto's 4 and 6 tailed forms are exactly like Killer B's version 2 transformation.
 
Naruto's 1,2,3 tailed forms are still in ratio of 2:3 but he lose control already due to not being able to filter the hatred back then but still more or less aware whats going on.
 
With 4 tails its already 3:2 and he is unconscious and Nine-Tails in control of his body.
 
But Killer B and Eight-Tails are team/friends and theres no hatred with the chakra. Killer B is in control of his transformations and he can simply ask The Eight-Tail for chakra and can filter the ammount. And I dont think that Eight-Tails is draining Killer B's chakra since they are in good terms.
 
   
And I bet its Izuna :- )
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As I said seconds ago, she doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai thingy in her profile, even though she uses the Byakugan. This either means that her Byakugan is no Kekkei Genkai, or it means that they forgot to add it. But even if they forgot to add it, it doesn't mean that she has more than Byakugan as a Kekkei Genkai. Furthermore, we don't even know if Storm Release came from the tailed beasts. Madara simply had it, without any further explanation or anything. Then, for the tailed beasts' kekkei genkai, I'm not sure. We need some definitive proof that someone who absorbs the tailed beasts like Madara and Obito did, gains their abilities as well.<br />
Also I really like your advanced natures theories, it must have taken a lot of time to come up with these.
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On another note, there's a digital version of the databook coming out, labeled as ''Version 2'' on iTunes. So we might see some corrections, hopefully. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:36, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 17:07, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
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:Why are you always ignoring the most crucial points? Kaguya isn't the origin of the tailed beast, the Ten-Tails is. Furthermore, the simple fact that Hagoromo split the chakra and changed the parts to something entirely new, changed everything. The beasts could've easily gained their Kekkei Genkai only at that point, because they didn't possess blood or anything before, being pure chakra and all (or even more, pure natural energy).
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:If Madara really gained the Storm Release through one of the tailed beasts, then why was no beast ever attributed with it? I know that the absence is no evidence, but it's something that needs to be taken into consideration. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 00:55, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
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::Yes, but as I said, did everyone who absorbed the tailed beasts (Obito, Madara, Naruto) gain access to all their natures? If so, why didn't everyone use them? Obito didn't use one special nature, Madara used Storm Release which we can't safely attribute to a tailed beast, only Naruto gained access to their powers because the tailed beasts allowed him to. So if it's the case that the jinchuriki needs their beast's approval, then it might just simply be that Kaguya didn't get that approval. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 14:52, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
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:::And again you ignore that the tailed beasts aren't her original chakra. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:53, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think the only true retcon I've ever seen in the series is Hashirama's Wood Release being called a kekkei genkai after it was called a hiden technique. All others can be properly explained. Chapters and databooks only reveal information about stuff known up to a specific point in the series. Otherwise, we would have known Explosion Release and Magnet Release from the beginning of part II. I believe that the reason Kurotsuchi has Lava Release is because she didn't get all the genes necessary to have Dust Release. Like the bloodline was watered down, so to speak. Earth and fire are still part of Dust Release, she just didn't get the gene that would let her add Wind Release to the mixture. Kitsuichi could be the same. About Uchiha and Hyūga, not necessary, but in theory, yes, it could work, though I think it would take many generations before a proper dōjutsu kekkei tōta could appear. About Wood Release, first of all, you have to consider that Hashirama was the first one to display that ability. Wood Release ninjutsu began with him, no one before him has ever used it. Considering that and the fact we will most likely know all element combinations before the end of the war, that would mean that out of all the combinations, Wood Release is the most recent to appear. Now, using a more general approach to explain why only he would have it, people seem to be under the assumption that merely having a gene means you'll have a kekkei genkai ability. Few consider the possibility of the trait being recessive, and no one seems to consider the possibility of a kekkei genkai ability depending on more than one gene, on it depending on a set of genes. It could be that Senju clan members in general have the genes for Wood Release, but only when the right alleles (please don't make me explain what an allele is, it's kinda like a variation of a gene) are together, one has the Wood Release. That could explain why none of his descendants have it as well, because they don't have the right alleles. About Madara not using it, maybe he's saving it for when he needs it. Maybe using it costs a lot of his chakra. The Uzumaki were never said to have kekkei genkai. Explosion Release was already confirmed as a kekkei genkai, meaning Deidara's techniques, in addition to hiden, due to the technique he stole, are also kekkei genkai. That's not kekkei tōta though. Assuming Earth Release isn't a component of Explosion Release, Deidara is using a technique which is Earth Release and Explosion Release. He's using three natures in a technique (earth and the two which make up explosion), but he's not merging three natures into a single one. He's making the explosion natured chakra, and putting it into earth natured clay. He's not merging the three natures. I don't believe that Yin Release is just genjutsu as well. I believe there is more to Yin Release than genjutsu. I think that the Nara clan's shadow techniques are Yin Release, for the same reason you mentioned (shadows are shapes, which are being manipulated), but I see no reason for some of their techniques to be Yin-Yang. I have seen some people arguing for them to be Yang Release as well, on the basis that the shadows are being animated, as if being given life. Since Amaterasu plus Yang doesn't need to be Amaterasu specifically, since Amaterasu has been called Fire Release in official sources. I have nothing else to say on the transformation chakra ratio theory or the Izuna one. On my theory page, it's simply something I created where I would add things when they came to me. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:40, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
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== Re: periods/timeskips question ==
   
Haha, thanks again.
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Not enitrely. The Last is part of Blank Period. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:36, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
Im glad you agree with Yin thing.
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:Why? We'd list it after ''The Last'', under a different headline or so. I think we did that in Sasuke's article. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
About Deidara, I know he is using just 2 elements at once for his Explosion but he then infuses the explosion natured chakra into clay filled with earth release chakra so he is kinda using "3 elements at once"
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::Oh, yes. There will be some problems sooner or later, but I believe the best thing is to go by the databooks. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:48, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
Aren't the Uzumaki said to have "incredible longevity/vitality" not to say that all Kyubi's host are/were Uzumaki meaning they must have some kind of strong and unique chakras (Kushina) ... isn't it kinda like KKG since its their trait ?
 
What about Nagato's Rinnegan ?
 
I guess the coffin reveal is close and we will see more of Naruto's Kyubi forms as well. Also the genes must be really really rare when he was the only one ever (officialy) to use Wood Release. Also question, did you not find it a bit weird that for example Dust is made from:
 
* Wind
 
* Earth
 
* Fire
 
But we have never seen Onoki using Wind or Fire technique and the same goes for Hashirama since I found it weird he has not cancelled Hiruzen's earth or used water combo with Tobirama.
 
Deidara's explosion is made from more elements than Earth but except his "art" we have never seen other powers from him which I found really lame from Kishimoto unless theres a reason for that.
 
Hope my Izuna and 2nd Form/Transformatin stuff turn out to be true ...
 
Also if may I ask, is this your hobby ? I mean narutowiki admin and posting theories and stuff, whats your job in real life ?--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:04, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
Deidara is using three elements in a technique, but he's not merging three elements. It would be like Ōnoki adding wind natured chakra to a Lava Release technique. Still three elements being used, but not three elements being merged. All those in Uzushiogakure were said to have long lives, which means the non-Uzumaki there as well. I don't think that everything that is restricted to a certain group, by definition is kekkei genkai. Jūgo's abilities are very kekkei genkai like, yet nothing was ever said about him possessing a kekkei genkai. I think that we will still learn more about Nagato's Rinnegan, due to Madara's claim he gave Nagato the Rinnegan. I believe that Madara knew that certain people, who descended from the Sage of the Six Paths had the potential to awake the Rinnegan, and had a hand in creating the circumstances that would lead to someone awakening the Rinnegan, whatever those might be. I don't find it strange for Ōnoki not to use wind or fire. It makes sense for people with kekkei genkai to use it a lot, since using techniques few others have access to gives them an edge in battle. Let's say Darui and Sasuke fought. If Darui simply used Lightning Release, Sasuke could simply copy it and use it against him, or anyone with sufficient knowledge in Lightning Release could deploy a strategy against it. Those wouldn't happen if he focused on using Storm Release. For Ōnoki, if he doesn't use Dust Release, it makes sense for him to focus on Earth Release, since that seems to be the preferred style of Iwa-nin. We've seen Deidara use an Earth Release technique to hide underground. I think there are in-universe and out-of-universe reasons for characters not to have such a diverse arsenal. Out-of-universe, these keeps them unique. If every one had loads of techniques, it would make it difficult for a character to have a differential, something unique to them. In-universe, it's because if they focus on one particular style, they become better at it. They can't afford to spread their skills too thin, otherwise they become jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none. Naruto is something that I ended up giving a try because I had very insistent friends. I don't like giving things a try because if I do like it, I'll jump on it head on. I was already active in a wiki (the Avatar: The Last Airbender one, but that wiki went in a direction I didn't like, so I left) when I began reading and watching Naruto. I'm a full time college student, biomedicine. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:47, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
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== Re: Jin no Sho version 2 ==
   
Biomedicine hopefully explains that allele stuff O __ O
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I don't have a link or that artbook right now, I'll probably be able to answer tomorrow. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:46, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:-no illegal links-. I didn't find any correction so far. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:57, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
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::They did correct the mistake in Sasuke's profile, where it says "Kakashi attacks Naruto" instead of "Sasuke attacks Naruto". Other than that, nothing so far. Danzo still doesnt have Summoning or Yin Release, Madara isn't listed as an Izanagi user and is the only user of Kanseitai - Susanoo. Anything else? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:16, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
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:::In Minato's profile, it is said that he saved Kushina from Kirigakure. This was corrected to Kumogakure. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 02:47, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
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::::In Chojuro's profile, it is said that he comes from Kumogakure. This was corrected to Kirigakure. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 15:41, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
   
Also the most used theory for Nagato/Rinnegan is:
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You mean, like scans? None that I know of. But there's not much new stuff from what I know. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:47, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
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:There's nothing about Kaguya, or at least it hasn't been posted yet. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:52, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
-Madara gave his EMS eyes turned off to Nagato (Thats why we have not seen him using it recently)
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I only translated [http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=52265393&postcount=96 some] of it. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:24, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
-Uzumaki + EMS + stressful situation = Rinnegan awakened.
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:I can only tell you what I told those guys at NF: Gratitude doesn't help me pay my internet connection. Also, I have other hobbies, so yeah. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:45, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
That would explain no EMS Madara/Tobi, "I gave Nagato The Rinnegan" and "Those eyes were mine to begin with"
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::I thought about it, but I have no idea how much money would be a good price for how much work. I also don't like to make a hobby my job, because whenever I absolutely have to do it, I tend not to do it at all. And no, never. Although I might be working soon, so I'll probably have to reduce playing it. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 23:56, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 02:27, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
* Man, Kishi is sure on crack.
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== Re: Hey, you ==
2 Madaras ??? Whats your theory ? Also few stuff for you:
 
   
* I do not think that Mu and Onoki are a father and son, nor they are blood related in any way. Father and a son would not talk and act like that ... and if their family bond is of more extended line, that would make Mu Onoki's ancestor or something.
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Yeah, it has been awhile hasn't it? You always know where I am, man. Kirin's got a alternate origin story for Kaguya and the Otsutsuki Clan going right now, but it isn't really picking up any speed. He and I are just have discussions back and forth on different topics. You are more than welcome to just stop by some time and hit me up on my wall. Let me know if there is anything you want to talk about. [[User:Omega64|Omega64 狐]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 21:14, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
   
* Is Hozuki's ability a KKG ? I know its listed as a hiden but here it is:
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I agree, fanon really isn't my cup of tea either. He's trying to really push a comment on it, but I just can't get into Kaguya's character at all. I'd rather create a different scenario without her completely. We can talk about Hashirama's cells and Izanagi if you want, just come on over. [[User:Omega64|Omega64 狐]] ([[User talk:Omega64|talk]]) 21:51, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
I thought at first that Suigetsu's power is a result of experiments ... But since both Mangetsu and 2nd Mizukage can use it ... Wasn't Orochimaru's experiment a try to transfer his Hydrification Technique into other people ?
 
I don't think that hiden techniques can be transfered, so this ability must be a KKG of some sorts. And before you will mention Jugo, he was the only one with that special gene ... Hydrification Technique have more users and I don't think that Orochimaru did something to Mangetsu and 2nd Mizukage.
 
   
* I know we know nothing of, but wasn't Karura a host of Shukaku ?
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Pardon my nosiness, but I saw Omega on Narutopedia, and so I just got very curious (you know how he isn't much of a fan of this wiki over Naruto Answers). Concerning my Kaguya story, it's not so much fanon as opposed to an actual theory of Kaguya's back story. After all, I didn't really change anything and I even said the entire purpose of the story was to provide an explanation about elements in the series that weren't further expanded upon. The only real fanon part would be the addition of an original character that I created, but even then, he could easily be cut out. I just included him because he added a bit more to Kaguya's character and I was having fun writing the story, so I figured why not. Honestly, the story I wrote has more canon elements than it does fanon elements. It really is an explanation to the history of the shinobi world that Kishimoto didn't write. Just wanted to point that out since I saw my name be brought up.--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 03:04, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
Possible or not?
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:If you don't mind me asking, what elements are those? If it's the fact that the Otsutsuki doesn't come from an alternate dimension, I believe I explained that I did that because it was '''never''' explicitly stated in the manga, only in the databook. So until it is either in the manga or the databook is translated to where I can read it for myself, I decided not to include that fact for multiple reasons (which I do believe I explained). Was there anything else that contradicts the manga canon?--[[User:KirinNOTKarin98|KirinNOTKarin98]] ([[User talk:KirinNOTKarin98|talk]]) 16:30, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
* Do you think that Gaara's sand controlling powers are a result of Magnet Release ? What about those eye rings ?
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== Re: Tailed Beast KKG and Jinchuuriki ==
   
* Do you think that Sage of the 6 Paths had The Rinnegan or something before being a host of The Ten-Tails ?
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I believe they're listed as Kekkei Genkai user because they can access the kekkei genkai of their tailed beasts. I'm not 100% convinced that Roshi has Lava Release as his own kekkei genkai, but I think he could access Yonbi's kekkei genkai as well. Naruto is friends with all tailed beasts anyway, so he can use their chakra as he wants, they wouldnt refuse it. Gaara, on the other hand, could not use Shukaku's chakra, because it hated him. Or so I think. But as I said in the thread, there's no definitie and clear answer to all of this, so a discussion is more or less pointless. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:39, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
My theory is that he was normal before, and received The Ten-Tail's eye as its host.
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:Yes, the wording does that. Or maybe he had the kekkei genkai and Yonbi helped him awaken it or whatever. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 22:46, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
I think that So6p's seal he used and Naruto's new seal are the same.
 
Naruto has just Kyubi's yang half sealed into him ... and his chakra cloak is "yang release" like or something.
 
What if the seal was/is used to manifest the chakra of the Ten/Nine-Tails ?
 
I think when Sage used just Ten-Tail's yang chakra, he got Rinnegan.
 
When he used its yin chakra, he got Sharingan.
 
When he used both, it was "The All Seeing Eye" or something:
 
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110806130023/naruto/images/7/70/Sage.jpg
 
   
* Wasn't Nagato's Deva Path able to fly or something ?
 
Why Nagato has not used his power to fly ?
 
   
* What do you think about Guren ?
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== Naruto's Yin ==
I think she is one of the best filler Characters in anime ... I like her personality, appearance, background and abilities.
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Do you know how Naruto has Yin release? because according to DB icons he doesn't have it see [http://tieba.baidu.com/photo/p?kw=%C9%D9%C4%EAjump&tid=3390680021&pic_id=68ff7a8b4710b91205b68f95c0fdfc0393452250&pn=1&see_lz=0#!/pid68ff7a8b4710b91205b68f95c0fdfc0393452250/pn1 Naruto] and also Sasuke doesn't have Yang release. One assumption is that Rinnegan and Truth Seeking Ball grants all release so is it true? I know the Truth Seeking ball are at least 4 nature elemental release, so is it really possible that Truth-Seeking Ball granted him Yin release. My guess is that he lacks one and according to FF-Suzaku the databook says Hagoromo grants Yin-Yang release, so couldn't it be possible that the ability Hagoromo gave them is to use this technique simultaneously i.e. Naruto's Yang Release and Sasuke's Yin release make Six Paths Chibaku Tensei a Yin-Yang Release. One explanation I got for Naruto's YYR is that his healing ability is one and he created the eye from nothing (yin) and he used Yang release to connect nerves, but it is also possible that the whole eye can be created from Kakashi's body cells (Naruto said he made the eyes from Kakashi's body in manga). Please take a look on my talkpage WindStar and I already had a discussion about this, what is correct?--[[User:Naruto uzu6254|Naruto uzu6254]] ([[User talk:Naruto uzu6254|talk]]) 18:27, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
Too bad Crystal Release is not canon :-( Its really cool.
 
   
* Are some fillers and movies at least partially canon ?
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== Re: volume 72 tankobon ==
I think that Kishimoto has helped with a few movies, didn't he ?
 
Isn't this character made by Kishimoto ? http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Mui
 
What about 3rd movie characters appearing in the manga, though with different powers.
 
What about Anko's Cursed Seal filler ? To be considered canon or not ?
 
   
* How is it that suddenly every manga character has knowledge about everything ?
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check raw-hunters.com [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 20:56, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
From where Itachi does know about Minato and Kushina being Naruto's parents ?
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:Oh, why didn't you say so? :D I don't know about volume, 71, but the changes in 72 are [http://36.media.tumblr.com/0a529a074a5c23c75c396fc8901ee2bb/tumblr_nj704qoGL81u82ij0o1_500.jpg this] and [http://40.media.tumblr.com/f7b9e82855ede86e931a3155fdb3cacd/tumblr_nj704qoGL81u82ij0o2_500.jpg this], as well as [https://40.media.tumblr.com/17d09829fd6bee538f16ed5e9bdaa0a1/tumblr_nj7treISdQ1u82ij0o1_540.png this]. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:27, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
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::I have no idea what you mean, but I do have volume 71 here. What page/panel should I screenshot for you? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:33, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
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:::So chapter 686 it is. [http://i.imgur.com/o5HHQo4.jpg ]. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:54, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
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::::How so? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 21:59, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
* What about using the Body Flicker Technique and the 5 gates at once ?
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== re: tsb ==
What would happen ? Actually whats the difference between speed from Body Flicker Technique and the 5th gate ?
 
   
* I know that the Transformation Technique is not an Illusion, but maybe stupid to ask ... how is it working ? is it really a physical transformation ?
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Talk it to the talkpage and hope we get some info from our translators? Because I'm just as confused about it as you are. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 09:37, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
I mean, when Naruto is using his "sexy technique" ... is he really a girl/woman with "that thing down and everything"? O_O
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:/shrug. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 09:46, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::Can't see the image, whatever you're trying to show me. What chapter was it in?
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::EDIT: Never mind, [[:File:Naruto_and_Sasuke_power_up.png|saw it]]. Still counted nine. Take a look at [http://imgur.com/HSWmTXj this.] I think it's best to say there is no set number; it varies for users. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 10:17, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:::It is weird. Hell, I remember a user claiming someone had 11 TSB. Kishi decided not to be consistent with the number. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 10:36, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
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::::Maybe Obito, Madara and Hagoromo had ''ten'' because they were all the ''Ten''-Tails' jinchūriki and Naruto had ''nine'' because he had the ''nine'' tailed beasts' chakra w/o the Gedo Mazo? Either way, the TSBs are screwy. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 10:47, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:::::Kinda. But Kaguya only had ''one'' huge TSB, rather than ten. Maybe it fits her "all chakra should be ''one'' and belongs to me" mantra. -- [[User:WindStar7125|WindStar7125]] ([[User talk:WindStar7125|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|contribs]]) 10:54, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
* How is it that Hiruzen Sarutobi was called "God of Shinobi" ... ???
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== Re: your behavior ==
I think he is pretty lame compared to other Kages shown, namely to Edo Kages.
 
   
Answer please :- )
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Na, I don't use drugs. I'm just a person who wears his heart on his sleeve. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:25, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 18:09, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
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:It's not the first time people get insulted here. And no one has a single face. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|]]</sup> 15:58, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
I'm still trying to make sense of the two Madaras. The best theory I've seen so far is that, because Mū recognised Madara, and Ōnoki having fought him, Mū may also have fought him, resulting in Madara copying his splitting technique, and using it when he fought Hashirama. That would account for a deceased Madara, and for Madara being a shadow of his former self, because half of him was killed. Nothing implies the Hōzuki clan's abilities are kekkei genkai. We were never told why Orochimaru had Suigetsu, nor why he experimented on him. The only thing we know is that Orochimaru had him in his custody, and experimented on him, but nothing on his purpose for doing so. Maybe Orochimaru wanted to conduct an experiment which required a special test subject, someone with that technique. Karura was never mentioned or implied to be a host of the Shukaku. Nothing indicates Gaara can use Magnet Release. Gamabunta thought it was due to staying awake for years so the Shukaku wouldn't eat away his personality, but Gaara was born with it. I think the best explanation is that he got it because Shukaku was sealed him in while he was still in the womb, which would have some effect on him, the same way Naruto had whisker marks before the Nine-Tails was sealed on him, because his mother was the host. I can see Kishimoto giving his father the rings just arbitrarily so he could make a comparison between him and Gaara. I think the Sage had the Rinnegan before sealing the Ten-Tails. Nothing implies he only got it afterwards. Deva Path's ability is all about attraction and repulsion forces, not flight, and Nagato was shown using that. I don't really like fillers, specially when they deal with things that might interfere with future things from canon. I have no idea on how canon movies are. I have no idea if Kishimoto had input in Mui's character, though I have no reason to believe so. Something I always see that kinda makes me mad: people always assume that when something from anime or movies show up in the manga, they always think that Kishimoto is being lazy and taking stuff from the anime. They don't ever consider the idea that Kishimoto provided ideas and concepts for the anime and movies. It's something that I can clearly see his editors or someone with some say on the series telling him to do that, in order to "integrate" different mediums from the series, as a sort of marketing strategy. I don't think Anko's filler arc is canon. At least it doesn't contradicts anything from canon, unlike the Kurama Clan arc, which shows things about Kurenai's past that go against things that were said in the manga. I thought it was weird people every where know who Naruto's parents were as well. I think Itachi might have known due to his involvement in ANBU, and others, like the Raikage, might have learned due to sharing intelligence for the upcoming war, such as who the jinchūriki are and all. Body Flicker is probably simply faster depending on how much chakra one puts in it. Transformation probably creates a weak "shell" around the one using it, with the appearance of whatever one wants to transform into. Hiruzen's hype comes from him knowing tons and tons of techniques. By knowing, I mean knowing about them, not just being able to perform them. He knew how to counter loads of techniques, and according to what we've seen of him, he had loads of chakra in his youth, and has incredible chakra control, meaning he uses less chakra per technique. Strength is just one factor. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 18:44, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
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== Sure I would love to talk ==
   
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I'm quite new to this website so excuse me if I'm a little slow.
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If there is an instant messanger or something, or maybe gmail? I'm available now[[User:GodlyHades|GodlyHades]] ([[User talk:GodlyHades|talk]]) 19:10, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
   
* I must say, NO. Uchiha Madara knew pretty well both Hashirama and Tobirama.
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== Alright ==
Edo Madara has a knowledge of The Edo Tensei technique while Tobi was like "I dunno" until Kabuto told him and explained.
 
You have probably not realized this, right ?
 
Also read/watch again the "And the darkness never came again" scene with the hood.
 
You can see clearly that the man with a hood is not Madara but Izuna.
 
Looks like we have been fooled and not realized this one.
 
   
http://94.23.34.161/manga/mangas/Naruto/559%20-%20Reinforcements%20Arrive/16.png
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Thank you for taking your time to reply to my thread/topic/discussion.
Madara
 
   
http://wvfwfwf.webgarden.cz/image/11105622
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See you when it is posted then [[User:GodlyHades|GodlyHades]] ([[User talk:GodlyHades|talk]]) 19:58, February 11, 2015 (UTC)
http://imageftw.com/uploads/20110731/Untitled-1.png
 
Izuna O_O
 
   
But how is he aware of Nagato then ? When will a better translation be up ?
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==Re: Poke Showdown==
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''There are, in the team-builder. Are you playing randoms?''--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 22:26, February 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
* But how did they seal the Shukaku into Gaara while he was still in the womb ? ... Only thing that makes sense is that Karura was a host.
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== Tobirama's death ==
   
* I still think that Gaara has Magnet. What about the thing that Chiyo said ?
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Where was it said that he died in the first great war? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 17:15, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
"This is the third child ... and the first compatible one"
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:Where was it said that Hiruzen became Hokage in the first great war, then? I'm looking for the reason as to why we assumed that Tobirama died in that war. Was it because the Sannin were older in the second war? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:20, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
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::Yes, but that mustn't mean that Tobirama died in the first war, hm? I mean, as long as it wasn't said that he died in one of the great wars or that Hiruzen became Hokage in one of them, that couldve all happened outside of a war, right? • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:28, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
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:::They weren't surrounded, they were just hunted by 20 enemies. :O I have no idea if and where the time of Tobirama's death and/or Hiruzen's Hokage-ing was mentioned. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:45, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
   
* People considered the Sage a God after he saved the world from the beast.
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== Re: can it be deduced that ==
Tobi mentioned that with The Ten-Tailed Beast, Sage's power was far beyond human ... not before.
 
The Ten-Tail's eye resembles both Sharingan and Rinnegan and we have never seen Sage's eye before the sealing.
 
   
* Well, I have seen Mui's manga artwork credited by Masashi Kishimoto.
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I actually never thought about that before, lol. But na, it's a nice idea, but nothing really indicates that. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 19:58, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
   
* Yeah, I think that most of movies and fillers characters and other things are Kishimoto's early ideas/characters that never get into the "final version"
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== Source Editor ==
I think Anko filler is pretty much canon because I dont see the animators going as far as to say/show things that will most likely contradict the manga and also no other explanation was given in manga and its already chapter 559 xD
 
Also about Kurenai and her family being from other village ... pretty much possible. Kushina came to Konoha as a young girl and we have seen Kurenai while Kyubi attack was already at least 15-16.
 
   
* I know how Body Flicker works, but Im asking if you think its possible to combine the eight gates and body flicker but that would probably be so fast that it could kill the user right away, LOL.
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To prevent edits like [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Kekkei_M%C5%8Dra?diff=prev&oldid=1018184 this] from occuring (because they've [http://naruto.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sasuke_Uchiha&diff=959505&oldid=959371 happened to me] before [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Neji_Hy%C5%ABga?diff=prev&oldid=1010460 as well] as [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sakura_Haruno?diff=prev&oldid=971883 other] users), I suggest going to your [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing preferences] and setting '''Preferred editor:''' to <code>Source editor</code>, only if you haven't done so already. [[User:WindStar7125|<span style="color:#0700ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0700ff, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #b38b00;"><font color="gold">'''''★'''''</font></span><span style="color:#0700ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0700ff, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0700ff;"><font color="blue">''''' WS7125'''''</font></span>]]<sub><small><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></small></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 20:53, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
Also, would not it be better to use a different picture for body flicker ? What about first timeskip Sasuke x Team 7 confrontation or Sasuke's "kill" of Tobi ?
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:Really? Eh, well, the wiki has its screwy moments, I guess... [[User:WindStar7125|<span style="color:#0700ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0700ff, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #b38b00;"><font color="gold">'''''★'''''</font></span><span style="color:#0700ff; text-shadow: 0px 1px 0.4px #0700ff, -1px -1px 1px white, -2px -2px 6px #0700ff;"><font color="blue">''''' WS7125'''''</font></span>]]<sub><small><span title="This user helps the wiki by moderating the forums and the chat">[Mod]</span></small></sub>[[File:WindStar7125 Task.svg|20px|link=User talk:WindStar7125]][[File:WindStar7125's Task.svg|20px|link=Special:Contributions/WindStar7125|]] 21:14, February 18, 2015 (UTC)
   
* So the transformation is physical as long as the user will not lose chakra or the concentration by for example being hit, right ?
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== Re: WoW ==
   
* LOL. Enma's comment of Hiruzen being lame in Orochimaru fight compared to his title of professor and God of Shinobi is now as double, no ... triple as true.
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Late response but my real life has gotten exceptionally #(#*y as of late.
Onoki is old and without Tobi's/Madara's/Izuna's/Whoever's help Sasuke would be killed by him.
 
I cant see Hiruzen defeating Sasuke : D
 
   
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 20:07, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
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Anyway, I have quit several times actually. About a month into Cata and MoP at release. Both was because of school however and not really the overall status of the game. Once I graduated I simply didn't go back (not much of a point and I was already playing XIV at the time, until WoD release where I hit a burnout about 2 or 3 weeks ago where I have once again started focusing mainly on XIV. If this holds I'll end up in Azeroth for a few months before taking a mini-vacation in Eorzea. But yes I do actually enjoy WoD, I'm in love with my Garrison and I like actually going out into the world because now I am actually doing stuff instead of just flying over it.
   
Madara only knew Hashirama and Tobirama from fighting their clan and during the brief period they build Konoha. Madara left after being denied the position of Hokage, and only came back years later to fight Hashirama. Tobi recognised Edo Tensei when Kabuto used it. Edo Madara didn't know he was brought back with Edo Tensei until Mū told him. Tobi simply didn't know how the details of it. Tobi and Edo Madara's knowledge looks pretty on par as far as Edo Tensei goes. And knowing Edo Tensei isn't that a big deal, Chiyo knew about it, so did Mū and Gari. The hooded one is Madara, it's very clear. Madara and Izuna were very similar looking when young, check the chapters Itachi tells their story again. Plus, you can see the EMS in his eye, and Madara is the one who got EMS, not Izuna. If the split theory holds (I find it to be a good theory, though I doubt it'll end up being true), Madara could simply have gone into hiding, scheming from the shadows, eventually learning about Nagato. I think the final explanation will have something to deal with Zetsu as well. It was never said that it's impossible to seal something into someone while still in the womb. They just go and seal it. I see nothing that would implicate in Karura being or having to be a host. Chiyo said he was the first one compatible, probably saying that he could handle having a tailed beast sealed into him. Kushina was chosen as a host because her chakra was well suited to suppressing the Nine-Tails. About the Sage, nothing indicates that the images we've seen of him so far are only post sealing. To manage sealing the Ten-Tails, he would have to be extremely powerful already, or do you think he discovered the mysteries of chakra only after sealing the Ten-Tails? That wouldn't make any sense. The Ten-Tails having that eye could be akin to Nine-Tails and Manda having a Sharingan while under the effects of Sharingan genjutsu or influence, with the Rinnegan ripples appearing over the Sharingan tomoe that I believe the Ten-Tails would naturally have. The anime said that Kurenai came to Kohona from another village because of her genjutsu prowess, they said nothing about her family. Kurenai's father seemed to be a Konoha ninja already. I don't know why focus on the BFT, it's just speed, want more, pump more chakra into it. This isn't the place to discuss an image change, and I don't think it's necessary. About transformation technique, I think that's how it works. I won't say old Hiruzen could beat Sasuke, but I can definitely see prime Hiruzen doing it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:13, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
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But if I had to rank them,
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# WotLK: First expac where I actually got to be a hardcore raider, until school kicked me in the teeth. But before that, we did goods.
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# TBC: This is basically where I started as far as I am concerned. Made my main, picked my favorite spec (lolret) and yeah.
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# Cata/MoP: They are basically the same for me as I barely played both of them when they were relevant. But I would give a slight nudge to Cata because of the 1-60 revamp...even though heirlooms basically murder any real point of seeing any of it.
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# Vanilla: Start point. Got to Southshore before Blizz decided to have the Horde blow it up before quitting. This is why I said TBC was where I started, the first toon I made I still have but he is in no way my main.
   
Thank you very much for such interesting talks.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 21:45, October 12, 2011 (UTC)
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You'll notice WoD isn't up there because yeah, not done yet. Though I am quite enjoying to storylines of it though. Except for Spires. Eff those birds.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 01:25, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
So you think that Tobi:
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Oh they definitely killed professions, but at least to me they were slowly killing themselves for years. If you were a raider you had to have very specific professions to maximize your personal contribution to the raid, for example before they gave Holy Paladins a damned mana regain, we were chugging mana pots during raids, so you had to be able to make your own potions. I like the idea that professions aren't mandatory, but I do agree they could have gone in a far less, murder solution like they did with garrisons.
* Still Madara (used Izanagi to split himself into 2 people, or used Mu's technique. So he survived his fight with Hashirama by splitting into 2 people with Izanagi or Mu's technique, learned of Nagato and gave him his EMS to create Rinnegan, and now the 2nd half want it back.
 
Also i would find it stupid if Tobi is not somehow Madara since Konan was about to die by his hand so there would be no reason for him to lie.)
 
* Izuna (Has not died and want revenge and his eyes back)
 
* Shisui (Has fooled Itachi about being good, thus Tobi being Shisui and his corpse is missing due so. And before you will say that Itachi used Amaterasu or crows to destroy his corpse, what if it was all just genjutsu?)
 
* Kagami (He was one from Elders missing while Kyubi attack ... yes, I know all Uchihas were not there to help for reasons unknown)
 
* Obito (-O_O-)
 
* Zetsu clone (Copied Madara's chakra)
 
* New character
 
* Uchiha Clan Ancestor
 
* Something only Kishimoto can come up with :- D
 
   
* And nothing indicates its before as well :-P
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As for daily quest hubs I both agree and disagree. On the one hand, I do like the (very) old school method of grinding mobs to get exalted, that makes reaching exalted far more "worth it" when you know not everybody is going to have the stones to actually grind to exalted for almost no real reward (tabards, a mount, a pet, nothing that will actually help you). On the other hand, no daily hubs mean my main method of making gold is gone and as such I've literally been floundering for gold. Not to mention they did give me something to do. I understand the ''why'' there are no hubs; MoP pissed a lot of people off and poisoned the water on dailies. But again it's another reasoning of the ''how'' that was off.
I never said he discovered the mysteries of chakra due to Ten-Tails ... Every living being has chakra in Naruto world. Sage was something like "proto-shinobi" xD He was just the first one that probably named the hidden power chakra, discovered its mysteries and taught people how to control it ... I dont think Rinnegan is needed for such.
 
As far as I and we know, Rinnegan has no genjutsu powers like Sharingan ... so Ten-Tail's eye being like that due to Sage's genjutsu is stupid.
 
Both Tobi's new mask and his infinite tsukuyomi moon look like this:
 
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091022225735/naruto/images/thumb/2/27/Ten-Tails_Eye.svg/150px-Ten-Tails_Eye.svg.png
 
;)
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:16, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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And as a proud member of the Alliance, I laugh at what they did to Doomhammer. Muhahahaha. But seriously though as far as I could gather, everyone has been saying the Horde side of the story has been seriously lacking, while we on the Alliance got ourselves the best new character of the expac.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:38, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
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:Considering draenei in general has done all of nothing since 2.0 (yes the beginning of Burning Crusade. No Velen ain't do *@#$ in the Sunwell) yes. Yrel is the best new character in WoD.
   
If we're going by the previous databooks, the fourth one should already have been published. I still expect it to be published within a few months, actually. However, it's very well possible that Kishimoto-sensei is waiting for the end of the war or even the manga now. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 15:09, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
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:Removing reforging was dumb. I was glad they removed hit, expertise, ect. Once you capped those, you never did anything with them, hell you barely did anything with them while you were trying to cap them. Getting rid of the unnecessary stats was smart. What wasn't smart was adding versatility (which is basically useless) and then not giving us Reforging. That was dumb. That was real dumb. And don't get me wrong, as I said I love daily hubs. That was my main source of income and without the Argent Tournament I would have never been able to afford getting my Netherwing Drake. But yeah, the beginning of MoP poisoned daily hubs and Blizzard does what Blizzard does and throws everything out when people complain.
   
Do you think that the manga is close to its finale already ? O_o
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:Which is honestly their weakest point. Crap goes down and they freak, so they toss everything out without just kinda fixing it to make it better. People hated that they all there was to do outside of raiding was the dozens of dailies across Pandaria, so they all but got rid of dailies in Draenor when they could have just put a single dailies quest hub in Draenor and called it a day.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:29, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
Also is there some way to send a pm to you or something similar ?
 
I have some questions about timeline and other stuff.
 
Also have you read my Izuna stuff ? If not, please read it and let me know what do you think about it.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:57, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:# I do think the manga is nearing its ending. The deaths of Itachi, Nagato, and Jiraiya, the annihilation of Akatsuki, the revelation of Sasuke's eternal Mangekyō and Madara's Edo Tensei, Sasuke and Tobi heading out to the battle field… These are all indications that the manga is nearing, or at, its climax right now. I wouldn't be surprised if Tsunade would die soon, finally making Kakashi Hokage.
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:Oh no it was completely asinine to kill off AU-Velen when our Velen is still on Azeroth doing all of jack and #($*. That being said, AU-Velen nuking himself to purify a naaru was a pretty badass way to go out. So yes, hella stupid to kill AU-Velen off, but they did a very good job of doing it, at least in my opinion. As for why Yrel is awesome, it's mainly due to how Alliance heroes are typically presented in WoW. Most of them either don't do anything ever or is named Varian Wyrnn. Having Yrel go from Velen's apprentice to Exarch and basically leading the Alliance forces with your character was great, and again this is coming from a person who's heroes have either done nothing or was named Varian.
:# You can ask me any question you'd like on my talk page. No-one will mind a bit of off-topic banter on personal talk pages every now and then.
 
:# I read your Izuna stuff and it's an interesting read. I would suggest making your conclusion a bit more clear, though. I found it a bit vague what exactly your opinion on the matter was.
 
:—[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 12:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
* So no part III. ??? : - (
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:And as dirty as it is to agree with the dreaded Feminists, but yes they were right about this one. I don't know about Velen's niece but being Maraad's love interest would have just made her the draenei Tyrande where her true drive against the Iron Horde would be Blackhand nuking her lover. Which...would not be good because that's what the exact opposite of what we have been complaining about when it comes to our heroes.
Call me crazy but:
 
* Naruto vs Sasuke fight ... result being a draw and Naruto reveals that Itachi was revived by Edo Tensei, thus filling Sasuke's dark soul with light.
 
* Itachi vs Kabuto fight, Itachi being defeated and Kabuto regains the control over him and Sasuke will be forced to defeat Edo Itachi and seal him with Totsuka Sword.
 
* Killer B killed by Tobi
 
* Naruto will lose the Kyubi but survive
 
* Orochimaru returns through Kabuto
 
* Yamato being revived in the Hashirama's body.
 
* Yamato killing Kabuto
 
* Sasuke will attack Tobi but being defeated and made another "Pain" using the Chakra Receivers. Tobi (revealed to be Izuna) will take Sasuke's right Mangekyō to replace his normal Sharingan eye and fill Sasuke's empty socket with the right Rinnegan eye, so both of them will have 1 EMS and 1 Rinnegan.
 
* Ten Tails restored and Izuna becomes its host ... The plan is to use Sasuke as a "tool" for his Moon Eye plan.
 
* Madara fighting with Izuna over the Ten-Tails. While the two are locked in combat, Orochimaru will possess of Sasuke.
 
* Orochimaru cancelling the Edo Tensei technique thus Madara being defeated, Oro planning to take the Ten-Tails from Izuna.
 
* Naruto fighting Orochimaru(Sasuke) but being defeated ... But Sasuke regains the control over his body before Naruto being killed.
 
* Sasuke starts to fully believe in Naruto and decides to sacrifice for him, thus unlocking the elder son's power (Which is attained by an EMS user overcoming the curse of hatred, the ability to combine powers of both EMS and Rinnegan into one) Sasuke offers Naruto his eyes before sealing himself along with Orochimaru using the Totsuka sword by Susanoo.
 
* Revealed that Uzumaki with Will of Fire = Body of So6p ... Explained that by Naruto having the Sage's body and Uzumaki's chakra being yang oriented, plus as he had the Kyubi's yang chakra sealed inside of himself, he reached the power of the Younger son of Sage.
 
By having the younger son's body and taking the elder son's eyes from Sasuke, Naruto gains the true power of the So6p.
 
* Izuna's Moon eye plan ruined by Sasuke being dead ... Rikudō Sennin Naruto defeats fake Rikudō Sennin Izuna. Izuna's death releases the Ten-Tails ... Naruto seals it into himself and ask Kakashi to send him along with it into another space/dimension using Kamui (After Naruto's death it would be released and sealing it again into a moon is risky because there are always evil people after such power)
 
* The peace was brought by no longer having the weapons (Tailed Beasts and So6p power lost forever) Naruto becoming the 6th Hokage after his death and a Hero, The Saviour of the World.
 
* Kakashi taking the position of the 7th Hokage ...
 
* The End!
 
   
* Whats not clear about that Tobi/Izuna stuff ?
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:Now i have no idea whats up with the "Fat Alliance Neckbeard" thing or Gorgrond's lore for that matter. But yeah we didn't need yet another Horde focused expansion, not after TBC and MOP. (For the record, WotLK actually did well balancing both sides out, and Cata was all over the place. TBC basically became the Blood Elf Redemption Arc with their incorporation into the Horde while the draenei were you know just kinda there, and MoP was super super Horde focused to the point where the Barren's patch had a long detailed quest about the Darkspear Rebellion and the Alliance had mechanical cats.)
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 01:32, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Appearance of So6p ==
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I could go on with this for hours. :D --[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:56, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
Any guesses ?
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::Standard consensus is that it's the mark that means that when this is all over, she will be the full on leader of the draenei. What that mark actually means is anyone's guess, but another common consensus is that it's the mark that shows that Velen is a prophet. Perhaps this means Yrel will be a prophet. Who knows.
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 10:21, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
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::Slight correction, actually big correction. Tirion Fordring was kicked out of the Alliance before the start of Vanilla because he didn't kill the orc Eitrigg due to both of them being honor brothers. Fordring has not been a part of the Alliance since. Thrall was all over Cata and MoP (but especially Cata, Vol'jin took over in MoP) and yes Anduin appeared more than Varian but he did comparatively little that mattered to the Alliance as a whole (A lot of what he did was very Pandaria and Garrosh being a dick focused. See his time with Wrathian and the Timeless Isle). But in terms of the Alliance doing Alliance things for the Alliance. It's been Varian, guest staring the other leaders only to highlight Varian. For example Tyrande about to go hog monkey on a temple with Varian telling her it was a bad idea.
   
== Re:Please ==
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::Anywho, love and revenge is still present, just not because Yrel was Maraad arm candy. Her sister's blood was used to summon the Dark Star in Shadowmoon Valley and that was pretty much the driving force for her. As for Maraad, at least for me I'm pretty sure he comes back as a spirit in the mission where Yrel becomes an Exarch but what he does or says I cannot recall. Either way, Blizzard has a terrible track record with female heroes when they have significant other, and Yrel would have been no different. So I'm glad that was scrapped in favor of the (while still generic) "you killed my sister" motivation they got going for her.
   
Well, sorry dude I'm just following Narutopedia rules. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 13:55, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
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::And yes Tyrande. Yes she did great during Warcraft III. Once WoW actually started, she did all of jack and #($* until MoP made her a badass again. The downside they also made her stupid, as in the aforementioned Temple Assault where her plan while it would have worked would have destroyed the Temple and gotten most of her people killed, while Varian's plan of "flush the idiots out" had minimal casualties on their side while the Horde was annihilated and the temple was completely fine.
:Kdot! But you're answering old topics, ''honestly I've been doing that before'', but they also delete my post. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 14:10, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Hi! I did put the reason. :D --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 15:23, November 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::It wasn't. Well, just next time be aware of the topic dates. :) Also, I apologize. --[[User:Ilnarutoanime|Ilnarutoanime]] -[[User talk:Ilnarutoanime|Neji]][[User:Ilnarutoanime/Links|Loverr]]- 10:30, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: Hello ==
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::Back onto Gorgrond, are you sure? Because I literally cannot find anything about this. Got a link or something?
   
Heller~ and thanks. The things that we normally do here are governed by the culture of the wikia. Calling Minato a jinchūriki would be going too far. Hiruzen sealed Orochimaru's arms, does that make him a jinchūriki of Orochimaru's hands? Minato probably called it "heavy" because it had to pass through him.
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::MoP was '''really''' Horde focused in that almost everything was Garrosh driven. He was the one violently invading Pandaria. He was the one who orchestrated the Divine Bell plot which resulted in the Purge of Dalaran. The assault on the Barrens as I've said was heavily Horde focused with a awesome questline of Chen Stormstout reuniting with his old buddies Thrall and Vol'jin, and the Alliance equivalent was mechanical cats and a short chat with Vol'jin. During the aforementioned Divine Bell plotline, we got to see the blood elves actually take stuff into their own hands and Lothemar actually becoming a character, while we get to see Jaina go right back to "Horde are evil, kill them all!" and just stay there. Looking from the outside in, everything was very Horde driven, and even the final assault on Orgrimmar which people like to cite as "See Alliance you get to destroy our capital city!" fail to notice that Orgrimmar is still there, the Alliance went in making sure they didn't destroy the city and only went after Garrosh's forces and not the rest of the Horde. It was an Alliance victory sure, but it was done in a way that the Horde was to also come out on top, or at least as far as they could be with their entire infrastructure collapsing.
   
Also, when you made the edit it was as an IP user. Usually they come here and just ask random questions on a topic. Since the discussion was about a year old I removed it.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]]
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::And yes, the Alliance did win the war. But it didn't ''feel'' like the Alliance won the war. It felt more like the Horde killed itself (which it did) and the Alliance happened to be there, breathing.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:46, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Thank you... ==
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Light that was a long response. Like I said I could do this for hours. :D--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:47, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
Thank you very much for saying I'm mentali ill just because I don't like pervert mariages in wich cousins mary and if you want to be a sponger to Shonensuk and the rest of admins, find better way than teling people who don't think as administrator say that they have mental illnes...Also nobody in my whole family was couin who maried, but maybe in your family you''' Quisling''' but I supose you don't know what that is eider...Mr unknown
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:I am hoping they keep her around cause Titans know we need draenei to actually do something, but yeah she may very well become completely irrelevant next expansion but she'll be awesome while we have her and if she leaves on a high note then fantastic, she doesn't go down like Jaina does.
   
== Re: favor ==
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And incorrect again, the Argent Crusade is very much pro-everyone and anti-Scourge. They do allow Forsaken into their ranks after all, should they wish to join. Most however are just very very pro-Sylvanas (note: I did not say pro-Horde.) and thus not willing to join anything that isn't Sylvanas. As for Thrall, oh he doesn't have blind hatred for humans oh no, but make no mistake, Thrall is Horde, he never left the Horde itself when he left the position of Warchief when he had to be Shaman Thrall, then came back when he had to kill Garrosh and he swore to follow Vol'jin when the rest of the Horde leaders declared him their new leader. Tirion on the other hand was kicked out of the Alliance, like full turkey kicked out and has never once considered rejoining it, instead doing the Argent Crusade thing to purify Lordaeron (and yet has made no moves or claims to the Capital City, probably because he knows that until Sylvanas is put down, it is Horde territory).
   
The Japanese for 'no-one' is {{translation|誰でもない|dare demo nai|lit meaning=not anyone}}. There is no precise translation for 'to be' in Japanese. It is highly dependent on context. The closest they have for the verb 'to be' would be the verbs いる and ある, both of which approximately mean 'to exist'. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 17:00, November 27, 2011 (UTC)
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:That trivia note says that this was changed before Alpha, which means before the Alliance people came in and complained. So if Blizz scraped it, they scrapped it because they wanted to. Similar to a Worgen questline in Shadowmoon because they are also a race that has done all of jack and $($^ since they arrived.
   
==RE: I'm Sorry ==
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:As for what comes after,
It's all good. I'm also not sure why he seemed so angry. As for the post, I say leave them unless an admin deletes them. It just shows that your willing to not give up on something you think is wrong :D [[User_Talk:Joshbl56|<span style="color:green;">Joshbl56</span>]] 01:16, November 29, 2011 (UTC)
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:# The Dark Below is a popular opinion. The home of the naga, heavy on the Burning Legion, things like that.
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:# If not a Dark Below expansion, then a Burning Legion expansion. Provided we kill Gul'dan or no, there is clearly a Legion presence on Draenor that wasn't there during the original Rise of the Horde. Perhaps AU Kil'jaeden and MU Kil'jaeden get together and decide to murder Azeroth because they can?
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:# If I was in Blizzard's seat, I'd do a lot. Mind you a lot of what I'd do would be crazy.
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::# Personally I'd remove flying, or at least the amount of flying we have now. I get that people only like seeing the world during the leveling process, but then right after they just sit on their asses in their capital cities and then complain that there is nothing to do in the world, but then quickly complain when there is stuff to do in the world because it's boring as all they had to do was fly in get the thing and fly back to the quest giver.
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::# Reestablish Stormwind and Orgrimmar as the major faction hubs. Obvious reasons.
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::# Legion focused expansion with active Burning Legion invasions. If the player base grows complacent they will pay for it. A Legion strong hold appears somewhere and it must be combated or a certain number of demons must be defeated across the whole of Azeroth or else a settlement gets destroyed or taken over until a whole new set of requirements are met. If the players decide they are just gonna hide in Shattrath for whatever reason, when they come back Stormwind and Orgrimmar will be burning in felfire with Varian and Vol'jin relocated someplace else.
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::# Not sure what I'd do with professions. I'd rather them not be mandatory but at the same time not completely useless.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:52, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Re: Pruitanic ==
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# I know, that's why I would like flying to removed from the old world again. Once we leave Draenor and is back on Azeroth I would like those cities to be the focus point again, and us grounded so that the world can feel like a world again, instead of a giant lobby.
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# Well aware.
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# To be fair, there is no way they could actually fix all of that. They'd have to completely 100% redo every zone every expansion. I don't think that has anything to do with story but has everything to do with how impossible that actually is.
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# Yeah that ain't happening. They already said nothing will happen to our timeline and that basically everything we do here will help a future AU Azeroth, but MU Azeroth will still be a #($*hole.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:00, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
Like I said before, there are certain things inherent and unspoken in organisations outside of the rules, that's the "informal culture". On this wikia, I've observed that we don't use the word "breasts" but rather say 'bust', 'chest' or something to that effect. You can see Samui, Tsunade or any other big-breasted woman on the wikia and see what I mean. It's the same way we don't just come out and call Darui and other shinobi "black".--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:43, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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:Oh the races I agree and disagree. I had a lot more to say but work got in the way and had to cut it short. >_>
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:# I only put the main cities because it required less typing. But yes I would love to see all the cities sacked.
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:# It is a problem, but I believe it is one that can be handled if they focused on one conflict at a time. Cata came in with two conflicts, Garrosh's war of aggression and the Hour of Twilight, that's why there is so much of an orc burnout because the Garrosh storyline bled across two expansions. Had the Alliance-Horde War been the focus of only Pandaria it would have been swell. But yes, Warcraft 4 would solve most of this but that could have the after effect of dramatically altering how WoW would have to work, unless they split them off into two different universes which I wouldn't really want. So their alternative method has been books...with varying degrees of success.
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:# Way to difficult to manage because it would practically require that you only level up in sequence to the story. And yes fixing TBC zones and WotLK zones would be great but again, that would be time taken away from adding something new, which was a big big problem with Cataclysm.
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:# The point, as far as I can gather, is that the Vanguard (the assault force that went through the Dark Portal) is made up of people who are not complete assholes. Besides the fact that if we don't stop the Iron Horde they can just keep coming back to our Azeroth, nobody wants to just doom another Azeroth or any other worlds to the Iron Horde simply because "it isn't our porblem". This is the reason the Alliance Expedition set out to destroy Ner'zhul's portals instead of just leaving when they had the chance; they couldn't damn other worlds simply because theirs was safe. Burden of being heroes I guess.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:40, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::Ah yes that thing. My cousin told me about it or at least a similar one years back. I never got into it (lazy) but I can defiantly see the appeal.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:59, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
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::# Oh while I agree there are a lot of servers, a game like WoW kinda needs them. While I personally would love if the game only had one server and everybody was on it, realistically that would not be a smart choice because Light that would just make everything busy.
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::# Garrosh was ''very'' inconsistent. He appeared as a whiny child (despite being at least a decade older than Thrall) and come Cataclysm he was very warmongering, but he wasn't completely evil (at least you can see from the Horde side. Alliance side we only saw warmongering). But it should be noted that Horde players hated him just as much as Alliance members, and it's because of that the decided to go ahead and make him piss on kittens evil in MoP.
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::# It is still better to focus on actual new content then updating old primarily because hells they are pratically running out of stuff. They've settled just about everything from Warcraft III and the Frozen Throne. We're reliving Warcraft I and II with WoD. If they don't tell new stories they can't progress at all.
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::# And like I said, the threat is "They could hurt other people". Gul'dan is not the only one who knows how to build portals, hell Gul'dan didn't even make the current Dark Portal the Iron Horde used him as a battery. Like I said we're there for two reasons: Keep our Azeroth safe and keep everyone else safe. Neither the Horde and the Alliance are gonna up and abandon the free orcs and the draenei to whatever fate comes to them just because our Azeroth is safe.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:06, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
It's not a joke. No one said there was anything wrong with saying it- we just don't usually do or maybe I should say I don't. Either way this isn't or shouldn't be an issue. I think I have a pretty good idea what we're called.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 21:04, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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== Re: episode review ==
   
I've noticed that as well, it's hard to break out of. I refuse. What's not to like. Good for you.--21:27, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry for the late response... You're right, the lung expansion thing is kinda non-creative for me as well, it could have been better than copying Lee with everything on it. I personally don't like Shira's abilities so much because it makes Lee/Guy non unique. For the next battle, alright. It seems that Team 8 will suffer more for battling that Kusa team and I wonder how they will deal with it. More sweating and stuff. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 09:01, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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:Totally agree with you, let's see how they handle those stuffs. I bet that Team Asuma will face that Ame team for the same stage in the next episodes, perhaps we'll see Pain or Konan. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 18:14, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Re: Takigakure ==
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== Part 3 Orochimaru ==
   
Little has ever been said about Takigakure in any manga-related work. However, the First Fanbook does have a little bit of information on it: "Takigakure no Sato: An enormous waterfall prevents strangers from invading!! While surrounded by four countries, so far, foreign countries have not once been able to invade. It's proud of that power."
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http://www.marineford.com/Thread-Anime-News-Interview-Reveals-Orochimaru-Kabuto-To-Return-In-Naruto-Part-3
   
This is all we know of this village from the manga. Anything else is not canon. It could very well be that the manga will show a Takigakure that's completely different from anything the anime has shown us.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/2pg3pk/spoilers_idea_for_part_3_and_orochimarus_return/
   
Oh, and there's no such thing as a Takikage. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 18:54, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
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http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3466021866
   
:We'd probably just put all the info on a single page, really. It's not that difficult to distinguish between manga and anime canon.
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Doesn't seem trustworthy to me. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 11:59, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
:As for Anko, it's very difficult to make a nice time line for her. However, I could try. We can calculate that Anko is 28 at this point in the manga. She became a genin at 10 and a chūnin at 12 (in the year of the Kyūbi attack). Orochimaru probably left Konoha within a few years after the Kyūbi attack.
 
:Jūgo, the source of the Juin, is 18 right now, 10 years younger than Anko. Kimimaro is the same age as him. to be even somewhat realistic, let's say they were both 5 when Kimimaro found Jūgo and brought him to Orochimaru. This would place this event at around 3 years after the Kyūbi attack. This would make it rather unlikely that Orochimaru was still in Konoha, especially since it's already highly unlikely he would have taken in Kimimaro and Jūgo while still in Konoha.
 
:So with the information above, I believe Anko didn't get her Juin until after Orochimaru had left Konoha, and I think it's quite likely that she left Konoha with him for a while, until he dumped her and she returned again. This would also explain her guilt a bit better, as she feels far too guilty for simply being taught by Orochimaru. Had she actually deserted together with him, her guilt seems more believable. It's also rather difficult to believe that Orochimaru could've got away with teaching Anko all those kinjutsu while still in Konoha. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 21:27, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::It's possible that Orochimaru brainwashed her, but I find it rather unlikely. Not only did the Third Hokage know about her connections to Orochimaru and would've examined her thoroughly, but the Konoha Crash would've been a perfect time to undo the brainwashing, yet Orochimaru actually fought her. Another argument against brainwashing would be that Anko herself actually remembers her past with Orochimaru, not to mention that Orochimaru honestly no longer seemed to care for her, and that he already had another spy in Kabuto. I really don't think Anko's evil.
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I like to think that if it isn't posted on NarutoForums from someone trustworthy, or if it isn't on saiyanisland then it must be fake. [[User:ItachiWasAHero|ItachiWasAHero]] ([[User talk:ItachiWasAHero|talk]]) 13:17, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
::Anko did seem as if she used to care a great deal about Orochimaru. She almost seemed to have hero-worshipped him, even. Still, she seemed to have distanced herself from Orochimaru's evil deeds and seemed quite hell-bent on bringing him to justice. I'm sure the Third Hokage knew what he was doing. Besides, she was prbaly under very close scrutiny by both factions of the ANBU.
 
::Her Juin is a rather confusing story, really. It could be that her Juin never activated in any way because of Orochimaru's sealing or the seal the Third Hokage had put on it.
 
::As for Orochimaru being present during the Kyūbi attack; it could be that they left Konoha just before . As I said, there's not enough information for a definite time line here. However, neither Jiraiya nor Tsunade was seen during the attack, either, yet both were present in Konoha around that time. It could just have been coincidence. Not every shinobi would've been in the village at the time due to mission and whatnot. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 01:35, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:::Almost forgot…
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== Re-Open Thread ==
:::I don't watch the anime, so I have no idea what they showed or not. The manga does show an image of a young Kimimaro and Jūgo and on that, they look like they could be anywhere between 5 and 10. They certainly don't look in their early teens, though. Still, even if they were 13, it wouldn't really mess up the time line. It would place Anko's receiving the Juin to just a year before the start of the series, but it could still be possible. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 01:40, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::::The Third Hokage wasn't perfect, but he certainly wasn't a fool. He knew what he was doing putting his trust into Anko. I'm pretty sure he did everything in his power to find out if she was still under Orochimaru's influence and I wouldn't be surprised if she was basically under constant surveillance.
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I would like to contribute to this thread: [[Thread:141848]]. Is it possible for you to re-open it? [[User:ShinyMagikarp|ShinyMagikarp]] ([[User talk:ShinyMagikarp|talk]]) 10:08, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
::::The point of the brainwashing technique used by Sasori was that those brainwashed remembered absolutely nothing about having anything to do with him. Anko clearly remembered a lot, if not everything. She's the worst person to pick as a spy. Besides, Orochimaru already had Kabuto for that purpose and Kabuto needed no brainwashing whatsoever. If Anko was brainwashed, Orochimaru would've undone the technique as soon as the invasion began. It would've been idiotic not to use all your assets in such a situation. If he hadn't used her, the whole brainwashing would've been useless.
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:No, Elveonora cannot reopen that thread as it was automatically closed by a script. We have a rule against bumping dead threads anyway: if you really want to contribute further, make a new thread that references that one. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 10:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
::::Also, the fact that Orochimaru never brainwashed anyone with a technique like Sasori's indicates that he either didn't know how to, or simply chose not to. He had other methods of getting people under his control. You should also remember that the brainwashing doesn't make someone evil or anything. They simply remember that the were actually working for someone else. They could just as easily betray their true master, as Kabuto did. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 02:18, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
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::Oops. I didn't realize that was the definition of a "sysops" when reading Rule 4 of the forums: ''If a sysop closes a thread on the forums, do not go around the wiki complaining that the topic was locked, either via making a thread of complaint or spamming sysops via their talkpages.''
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::I apologize. I didn't know that an automatically archived thread was considered locked by an administrator.
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::[[User:ShinyMagikarp|ShinyMagikarp]] ([[User talk:ShinyMagikarp|talk]]) 10:32, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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:::No, that rule applies to when a forum moderator or forum operator manually closes a thread, not when the script closes it.
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:::And Elveonora is a forum mod, not a sysop. I'm a forum op myself, not a sysop. That rule needs to be clarified. --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 10:37, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Theory Replies ==
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hi (-----)
   
There are some things I'd like to point out about your theory on Mikoto betraying Kushina:
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== re: meme ==
# Mikoto never knew about where and when Kushina was going to give birth, at least as far as we know.
 
# Kushina's pregnancy was not a secret. The event of her giving birth was. Everyone in the village probably knew she was pregnant, as it was rather obvious.
 
   
Then about your Izuna–Tobi theory:
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Eh, that's cool. Though it did say "Just as planned," correct? {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:29, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
# You never actually draw a conclusion. Do you believe Tobi is Izuna or not?
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:Oh, and good work with the Naruto meme thing. It'd be nice to have some fun around here. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:42, April 11, 2015 (UTC)
# You actually can see the Rinnegan-like marking on the forehead of Itachi's Sharingan demon. Also, the new dōjutsu Itachi is talking about in that scene most likely isn't the Rinnegan but the eternal Mangekyō Sharingan itself.
 
—[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 21:07, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: question about reporting ==
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==Chat?==
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You VS Me. 1 V 1. Foxy Boxing. Rules - there are no rules. Be there or be square..--[[User:Omojuze|Omojuze]] ([[User talk:Omojuze|talk]]) 19:36, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
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:I shouldn't really interrupt this, but I think Omojuze is suggesting you join the chat... --[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sajuuk]] {{Mod}} <sup><small>[[User talk:SuperSajuuk|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|contribs]] | [http://youtube.com/LPSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 20:34, June 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
We're not the ones who manage wiki features, that's the central Wikia, they maintain the software used that is the engine of all wikis. The closest thing we have to something like that was a template someone created, [[Template:BlockCheck]], which essentially creates a link to a user's contributions. Just put "<nowiki>{{BlockCheck|username or IP address}}</nowiki>" for a sysop, so they can check the person's contributions. When there are no sysops in a wiki, you can also report them at the [http://vstf.wikia.com/wiki/VSTF_Wiki Volunteer Spam Task Force wiki]. They have many tools to help against vandalism and spam in wikis that don't have active sysops or against cross-wiki vandals. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:59, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
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== Good luck ==
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I'm not a forum operator any longer. I just removed the rights from myself. :) --'''''[[User:SuperSajuuk|Sa]][[User talk:SuperSajuuk|ju]][[Special:Contributions/SuperSajuuk|uk]]''''' 08:35, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
== Izuna Theory. ==
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== "Suggesting you like me a little bit <3 On topic:" ==
   
Wow.. Just wow.. You have some MASSIVE stuff to back it all up. One thing though, with the statues and how Itachis is "missing" the Rinnengan eye on the forehead, I don't think it is. It's a close up shot of it and you can ''juuust'' see the bottom of the outer ring of it showing. Apart from that, again, wow (^___^) [[User:SusanooUnleashed|SusanooUnleashed]] ([[User talk:SusanooUnleashed|talk]]) 14:12, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
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*Leonardo Dicaprio raising a glass*--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:39, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
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: I don't know whether to applaud this or be ''very'' afraid. xD jk ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Rinnegan Sasuke.svg|20px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 15:05, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
I got more stuff to back it up but I think these are the most important.
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the red rinnegan like sharingan is called the rinne sharingan and Byakugan and her third eye is a kekkei moura.
And really thank you.
 
Right now it's 99% Tobi is Izuna.
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 14:56, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
I had a thought about your theory and how Izuna could be alive but not as old as he should be, Madara woke the Rinnegan towards the end of his life, he used it to bring Izuna back to life about 30-40 years before the series started putting him roughly at 70-80 years old instead of 100-120 years old.--[[User:TricksterKing|TricksterKing]] ([[User talk:TricksterKing|talk]]) 09:05, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
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== Re: TSB ==
   
== Gg ==
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Good thing I translated the article a couple days ago: http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=53954737&postcount=297 • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:03, July 11, 2015 (UTC)
   
I am pretty sure that the naruto bijuu mode attire like oufit was the way the sage of six path dressed. It would be no wonder, it's possible that the sage induced some of his power in the nine tail or when using izanagi for the creation of the tailed beasts. As also stated in the manga when kurama made an allusion to the sage of the six paths seal. Perhaps the sage knew that someone will one day be able to control the kyuubi. Last thing, it's possible that the sage name is Uzumaki.
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== Woops. Sorry. ==
   
Please sign your posts next time so I know who is talking to me, thanks.
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I didn't mean to post that question as if it were a form. It was more or less a way of saying how similar the ability was to Kamui, though I used Kakashi as a way of pointing it out. 'Implanting the eyes into Kakashi' was a reference to how it is literally just Kamui with a big ball surrounding him.--[[User:ExyleCage]]ExyleCageWasHere
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 03:25, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Sharigan Evolution ==
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== Re: Prediction/Opinion ==
   
The sharingan first evolvement is the mangekyo sharingan, I guess for one to have mangekyo sharingan evolve to obtain the rinnegan should have the two bloodlines that of the senju and uchiha, as an example, both tobi and madara, whereas sasuke won't be able to in his case. Furthermore, the rinnegan have diffrent eye patterns as shown by the sage of the six paths eldest son or could it be that's another evolution of the rinnegan but i don't lend credibility to that, though it may not be impossible. But that prove one thing there is actually two rinnegan types.
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I never wasted a thought on that, lol. They're obviously related to Kaguya. If the Rinnegan aren't artificial, they're also related to Hagoromo. Buuut knowing Kishimoto, he won't explain it at all. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 16:15, July 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
Same as above --Elveonora (talk) 03:25, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
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== [[Thread:178382]] ==
   
while it's almost a general agreement that uchiha bloodline + senju bloodline = rinnegan, there's one thing that was overlooked; the two who have awakened their rinnegans were either on the brink of death, madara, or at the height of so much emotion, nagato. this coincides as to how obito awakened his sharingan.
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Any reason why no one stepped in to stop the [[Thread:178382#63|thread]] from [[Thread:178382#65|escalating]]? (If this keeps happening, I'm seriously going to have to step my sorry game up >_<) {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 06:38, July 18, 2015 (UTC)
   
i'm also asserting that madara gave sharingan eyes to nagato and hoped that he will be able to evolve that to rinnegan. either that or after madara evolved his eyes into rinnegan, shortly before dying, he have someone transplanted his now eyes to nagato.
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== Re: The Last DVD ==
   
what about danzo? well, he removed the senju part long before he was on the brink of death that's why he wasn't able to evolve shisui's sharingan to rinnegan. who knows what might've happened if he was still able to maintain hashirama's cell up to the time of his death. 203.147.106.246 (talk) 10:06, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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Yeah, a couple of days later it should be ready online with high quality and subtitles. Looking forward to it. —[[User:Shakhmoot|<font color="blue">'''Shakhmoot'''</font>]] [[File:Nadeshiko Village Symbol.svg|20px]] [[User talk:Shakhmoot|<sub>(Talk)</sub>]] 16:13, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think another part of gaining the Rinnegan is having the Eternal Mangekyo as well as the Senju bloodline, which would explain how Nagato could've awoken the rinnegan if Madara gave him his Sharingan, so Danzo wouldn't be able to get a Rinnegan regardless of what happened to him.--TricksterKing (talk) 10:38, February 16, 2012 (UTC)
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== Re: The Last/Otsutsuki lore ==
   
yeah, if madara gave him his rinnegan-activated sharingan before he died, but if he only gave nagato a normal sharingan from an uchiha, then danzo will have a chance to evolve shisui's sharingan to a rinnegan provided he still has his hashirama-infused right arm.
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I have translated neither. You'd have to look through what has been translated by others. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:50, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
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:[[Thread:159828#1|FF-Suzaku]]. {{User: WindStar7125/LongSig}} 19:02, August 7, 2015 (UTC)
   
by the way, where's the issue number when it was said that tobi has a mangekyo? even when he is using his space-time jutsu, the tomoe of his sharingan never changes, it's just normal. 203.147.106.4 (talk) 02:41, February 17, 2012 (UTC)
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== Re: "omg omg omg" ==
   
== Re: yin-yang image ==
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Not gonna lie, I'm a bit torn. I drank the WoD Kool-aid and I don't plan to get burned twice. Everything in this expansion should have happened years ago, or at least before $(#*ing Draenor. That said, I really want the Ashbringer and I will most likely go back, just to hit level cap and quit again.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:12, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
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:Also I really do like that they are making Marksman not use pets. Before I quit I started leveling a marksman hunter just because they had a skill that made them lose their pet but didn't ruin their dps.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:13, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
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::Indeed. And now within a years time, Legion will be released. But from a story perspective, I'm already skeptical. During this time the Alliance will most likely lose Dalaran again (which makes me sad), I'm pretty sure Tirion is dead (as we get the Ashbringer), I don't believe Thrall is dead (Enhancement Shamans get Doomhammer, but I truly doubt they'll ever hurt Thrall). Overall, the ideas behind the Order Halls seem promising, bringing back the much needed class identity. We'll see how they handle out of raid things because again, 2 years ago, they said great things for WoD and look at what we got.
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:::As an aside, I wish they kept to their guns over Flying in the expansion and in the future.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Akimichi Symbol.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:34, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
Not a problem ^_^--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:25, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
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== re:thank you ==
   
== Re: Zetsu Stuff ==
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Your welcome, and may I ask where I was wrong at some points? I also saw that you removed my edit from Boruto's talkpage, and that's fine. --[[User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4]] ([[User talk:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|talk]]) 18:25, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
From what I understand when that was added to his background was post Shizune and Sakura's autopsy. I'm assuming that it'd be natural for White Zetsu to have been made the same way or such but I'm not entirely sure. It'd probably be best to bring it up on the talk page.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 19:53, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
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I didn't really mean to suggest that, what I was really suggesting was that life force is aligned with physical energy and that it is apart of chakra. I know that they aren't the exact same thing, or else everyone who has a lot of strong chakra, would have a powerful life force like the Uzumaki do, which isn't true. But as for what life force is, the English definition of life force is a force that gives something vitality or strength, or the energy that animates living creatures; the soul.
   
Ah, but you're the one with the issue. I'm a bit nonplussed about it. There'd be no conviction in my post.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:13, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
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What else could life force be? We know that when someone's chakra is all gone they're dead, which would mean that their life force is all gone, since it's defined as the energy that keeps you alive. That's why Karin's heal bite can save people from the brink of death cause her chakra has great healing powers which was stated to stem from her life force. So her powerful life force influences her chakra. All we need now is for a databook or something to officially confirm this. --[[User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4]] ([[User talk:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|talk]]) 18:50, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
==Edit Summary==
 
In my edit summary I said unresponsive talkpage, reverting it without responding on the talkpage is not going to resolve the talkpage discussion. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 03:40, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Kurama is a mass of chakra, not a lump of flesh, when chakra is removed all at once, it doesn't shrink and drag across the ground. The manga depicts it as the smaller foot inside a larger footprint with no connected pressure points from the weight of kurama. — [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 12:48, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Piping links ==
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Well this next part is speculation, since I don't know for a fact, but I think life force makes up chakra just like physical energy and spiritual energy do. I know life force and physical energy aren't the same, I'm just saying that the life force has always been aligned with physical energy, so it's more closely related to it than it is to spiritual energy. --[[User:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4]] ([[User talk:Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4|talk]]) 17:55, August 10, 2015 (UTC)
   
You know, there's a much neater way to pipe links (have the link to something you want, but having the link say something else) than what you're doing. What you're doing is what is necessary to do for links that are from out of the wiki (though there's a middle ground way to link to articles from other wikis, I don't know how to do that. For example, you just linked some technique articles in Gaara's talk page.
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== Re: Movie stuff ==
* You're doing "<nowiki>[random-url what you want to say]</nowiki>".
 
* When using it for articles of the wiki, the way to do it is "<nowiki>[[Namespace:Article's name|what you want to say]]</nowiki>". You can even make it like "<nowiki>[[Namespace:Article's name#sub-section|what you want to say]]</nowiki>" if you want it to link to a specific subsection of that article. Namespace is only required it the page you're linking is not a main article, for example, a user page or a talk page. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:23, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Re: gun jumping? ==
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That stuff was found on, I believe, the Japanese wikipedia or pixiv wiki. I'm pretty sure it came from the novel, which also apparently clarifies some of the Byakugan Princess stuff and has more story about Toneri's father. However, I haven't read it, so it should be corroborated first. [[User:FF-Suzaku|FF-Suzaku]] ([[User talk:FF-Suzaku|talk]]) 21:37, August 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
Because I believe it's still possible that Orochimaru may have simply been ''associated'' with Danzō as opposed to being an Anbu Root member. Not that the opposite isn't impossible. That's why I'd prefer to leave it a bit more ambiguous until next week. In any case something like that should be in his introduction.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 20:49, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
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:There's a bootleg copy of the book floating around out there. I think Seelentau has it. You also might be able to ask around on the Naruto reddit or Naruto Forums, I guess. OrganicDinosaur might be able to help. [[User:FF-Suzaku|FF-Suzaku]] ([[User talk:FF-Suzaku|talk]]) 09:57, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
   
Orale... that's a lot.
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::https://www.reddit.com/user/OrganicDinosaur [[User:FF-Suzaku|FF-Suzaku]] ([[User talk:FF-Suzaku|talk]]) 09:11, August 19, 2015 (UTC)
* I'm not sure if those were Anbu cloaks or just cloaks. If so, why no masks? Though an Anbu that Kabuto was speaking to later in Kiri I think had the same one on. It's likely that Oro was an ANBU since it does it fact suit him (imagine that tongue sticking out of a mask >.<!)
 
* Not too sure. Danzō's plan was always to rebuild Konoha from the embers of war the way he wanted it to be (or something like that)
 
Root Stuff
 
* It is possible that Orochimaru just knew about Root and its operations. He doesn't seem like the type that would have an issue with underhanded things. Which may be why he spoke so openly about stuff.
 
* Oro was an orphan yes, but at that time he was being trained by Hiruzen. It's not like he was an unattached youth.
 
* He doesn't strike me as emotionless, just lacking empathy. He's shown plenty of emotions in my opinion. I also believe there are possibly people that joined Root of their own volition. Clansmen for example cannot be orphans unless their clan is destroyed.
 
Listing Kabuto as being affiliated with Root makes sense to me, just not the Anbu rank.
 
   
I have 0 clue about the brainwashing thing. Timelines confuse me.
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== Kishimoto's interview about Otsutsuki ==
   
As for Nonō, I think it's possible that she simply didn't remember him. It seems to me either she lost herself as Danzō said people do on those long term missions or she's a really good actress. Maybe Danzō did do something to her or maybe it was Iwagakure dunno really.
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Hello.
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you mentionned here [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:162137 Thread:162137] that Kishimoto dicided to not explore details about Otsutsuki's clan. Could you share a link to the interview? I can't find it anywhere.
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Thanks a lot.
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--[[User:Sifadil|Sifadil]] ([[User talk:Sifadil|talk]]) 11:15, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
I did like the chapter. I'm not like the readers that complain when there's no fighting and what not. I like back-stories and flashbacks that build characters and stuff. Though I was a little disappoint that there was no Itachi T_T♥--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:49, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
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Hello.
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It's me again. I managed to find it. It's the interview he did with Entermix magazine.
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Thanks for the previous reply.--[[User:Sifadil|Sifadil]] ([[User talk:Sifadil|talk]]) 01:28, August 23, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think that there is enough to list him as a Root. Danzō freely talked about Root stuff in front of him. If he was concerned that Hiruzen not know about his dealing with Root, I don't think he would have done that. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:20, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
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== Re: device ==
   
My guess is, Snake-Face's (Orochimaru) a member of the Foundation, and so is Doctor Snakes (Kabuto). Why Kabuto didn't lose his emotions? Dunno. Maybe 'cause there's no one close to him. As for Nono, dunno why she didn't remember him, but I say that we shouldn't place her as dead yet. Why? 'Cause Kabuto tried to save her. Next week, we'll know whether he suceeded or not. And no, you're not the only two who liked the chapter. Who else? Yours truly. Actually, I'm gettin' irritaited for not seein' the battle with Tobi. (Sighs) What a drag. X29 15:27 April 19 2012.
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That wasn't anal, I just think we should be more strict with these things. Yes, he can use those natures. And the device is cheating because you can store many techniques in them and release them without wasting the chakra again. Means your enemy uses chakra while you don't. In an exam it's obviously cheating. It's like writing down the answers beforehand and handing them in instead of writing them down in the exam. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:25, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
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:That's not the same, lol. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 12:54, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
== Road to ninja ==
 
TV Tokyo released the plot for the movie. I got the translation from [http://www.saiyanisland.com/2012/04/road-to-ninja-naruto-the-movie-plot-new-scan/ this] article on Saiyan Island.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 18:29, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Please. you better be trolling me ==
 
 
I think I've said everything I wanted to in the edit summary but again:
 
* There are at least three burets filtering blood into jars
 
* We only say Kabuto take a jar with Orochimaru's remains from the centre of the room
 
* He said in 585 that after that, he kept adding stuff to himself
 
* Yes he does have the DNA of the Sound Five and possibly the members of Taka as well but that still doesn't mean that he mixed them all together and injected them into himself <u>all at once</u>. Apparently you're forgetting the scene with Orochimaru's remains and the conversation Kabuto had with Naruto, Yamato and Hinata.
 
* In your theory that person shows blood increases meaning all of it is mixed in there why would you exclude Sasori and Sasuke? That's being selective just to prove your point. If you're going to use that then everything has to be included: Sasori, Sasuke and the other people behind the Sound Four.
 
* So no Gooby, pls I'm not trolling you. The information is represented either way, so what's your problem?
 
--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:02, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Convo ==
 
 
*Mmkay
 
*Mmkay
 
* Actually, you didn't. Here's what you said:
 
:"Fire natured chakra is not always fire release"
 
:Yes, it is. Fire Chakra = Fire Release. The same goes for everyrhing else. There's never been anything that contradicts that. The way you worded what you said (whether intentional or not), you said that there is such a thing as Fire Chakra existing independently of Fire Release, which is false.
 
 
*As I believe Cerez once told you, you'd be surprised at the exceptions people will make to get what they want. It was pointed out and said by BOTH Kabuto and Madara that in his lifetime, Madara had obtained Hashirama's power; there's no getting around that.
 
 
* Because you said (and I quote):
 
:"So in order to perform Yin Release (genjutsu) one has to use Spiritual Energy/Yin chakra to transform it into effect"
 
:Yin Chakra is Yin Release. Plain and simple. Spiritual Energy is not it. Heck, seeing as it's chakra, Yin Release also has Physical Energy in it as well.
 
* Most likely, though I didn't actually say that. Kabuto postulated that Madara had obtained Hashirama's DNA/power (which Madara admitted, being why he fought that last battle). When Kabuto presented his theory, it was ''then'' that Madara decided to look at his chest. That's an obvious indication that he knew what Kabuto had done, otherwise he would have had no knowledge that would have made him look at his chest. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 02:12, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yin and Yang chakra are a bit tricky because we know little about it. The confusion in this seems to be physical energy/spiritual energy and Yang chakra/Yin chakra. The way I understand, regular chakra, without any sort of nature transformation, is made up of equal parts of physical energy and spiritual energy. In order to become a "anything Release", it has to suffer nature transformation. However, we learned that Minato split Kurama's Yin chakra from its Yang chakra. That can mean either that chakra has an inherent yin and yang quality, that is manipulated through nature transformation into Yin and Yang Releases, or that Minato applied nature transformation to Kurama's chakra. I thing that the first option makes most sense. I don't think it makes sense for Yang Release=physical energy and Yin Release=spiritual energy, because a Release can only be done with actual chakra, and basic chakra requires both. I think that Yin and Yang Releases are done when the ratio of physical energy and spiritual energy is modified, so it's no longer 50/50. This makes sense with the definition of chakra. With that in mind, I think that Yin chakra or Yang chakra, in the inherent quality that I said earlier, can only exist after the chakra has been formed out of physical and spiritual energy. Physical and spiritual energy by themselves are not Yang chakra and Yin chakra as far as I understand, and only make up chakra, which them can be manipulated into Yin or Yang. Yin can only be Yin if there is a Yang and vice versa, so I think that pre-chakra moulding, there isn't yin and yang, only post- chakra moulding, which can them be manipulated into a Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:14, May 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The thing is, we're still in the dark about what Yin Release and Yang Release actually are. That's why I raised the possibility in my explanation above as it having a yin/yang potential to nature manipulation-less chakra. There's probably some piece of information we have yet to be given that would set things right, but with the current information, the only way to make things resolve would require a retcon of concepts. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:07, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:And there's also the positive black chakra and negative white chakra from tailed beasts Killer B talked about. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:16, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I don't remember the exact chapter, but I think it was 510-ish or 520-ish. Definitely after Konan died. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:25, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Not a typo. There's even a ShounenSuki translation about those chakra types at the Tailed Beast Ball article. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:41, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
::::I remember there was a back and forth editing back then about this, but I think that image stayed because it was the only image that was known for a fact to have something to do with Yang, be it chakra or Release. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:06, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I understood what the chapter explained. First, the user acts, getting a sensation about doing something, goes on doing other stuff, and then does something that mirrors the sensation of the first action. Izanami strings that sequence into a loop in the opponents mind. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:28, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The characters are thrown in a loop, the thing that is made into a loop is based on the sensations that were overlapped to create the loop, some stuff obviously changes in between. The changes aren't significant, so they don't alter the loop. Only if they change completely, the loop is broken, if they accept their destiny, as Itachi put it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:46, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Kabuto is fighting an illusionary Itachi and Sasuke, Kabuto is actually just a sitting duck as he is. Tsukuyomi does seem like a more powerful genjutsu, but I think that the eye goes blind from Izanami because that's the power necessary to overrun someone who's using Izanagi, even if one isn't using it against someone who is using Izanagi. And since Kabuto had the brille covering his eyes, Tsukuyomi wouldn't work, since he was blocking the light. Izanami doesn't require eye contact. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:51, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Thanks for the support ==
 
 
Thanks for the support for my edit on the [[Susanoo Sword]] page.[[User:Undominanthybrid|Undominanthybrid]] ([[User talk:Undominanthybrid|talk]]) 17:08, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Izuna Edit ==
 
 
Nope, not that I could find at least. Everywhere that spoke about them said that they were the first to awaken the Mangekyō Sharingan but it doesn't define who awakened it before whom of the two.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:13, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Possibly, or I could have overlooked something.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:53, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: what do you think ? ; D ==
 
 
Never been one to speculate on who Tobi is exactly since I believe that he is exactly who he says he is. It is possible that he could be Izuna somehow though that image doesn't lend that much credibility to it though, because that image of Tobi removing his mask could be stretched across a lot of people's faces to make it look like he resembles them. Also, something Kabuto said about Tobi betraying Madara doesn't sit well with the way Izuna was described as being but in time, Kishimoto will reveal everything.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 15:35, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Though I don't believe this for a second, from the theories I've read and such, I would be most disappointed if Tobi through some odd turn of events turned out to be Obito or Kagami for example '~' People with no link to Madara except ancestry or motive to do it. Izuna's only motive I can think of would be that he's devoted to his brother but truly I'm leaning most towards Tobi being the equivalent of [[Hashirama's Living Clone]] given life.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:22, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I know there seems to be a lot of similarities between the two that people have pieced together over the years, motives and theories as to why Tobi is Izuna. But if it's all the same, I'll just wait on Kishimoto because to be honest, I don't have that much of an interest in who Tobi is, just who I hope he isn't.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:35, June 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
----
 
Lool. These things just seem so ridiculous to me that's why I don't pay attention to theories.
 
 
Someone would must have mentioned Minato being Dan's and or Tsunade's child by now between Tsunade, the adoring villagers, the people who feared and loved him outside the village and Shizune. Also, Katō→ Namikaze? Them looking anything alike is just due to the fact that it's the same person drawing all of them.
 
** "8" Madara did suggest that the ruler-ship of Konoha was dominated by Senju for years but what is the genetic link between Sarutobi and Senju? That could very well mean that only people trained/favoured by Senju were being selected as Hokage depicted by Hiruzen being chosen from an early age and being trained by Hashirama and from there, Sarutobi taught Jiraiya who passed on the same principles to Minato. So Minato inherited Senju's will not genetically, but through teaching.
 
*** True Minato and a million other random people could have Senju blood.
 
*** Orrr she has no family left to inherit the necklace directly so she gave it to someone who she believed inherited her grandfather, brother and lover's will to protect the village? That is not to say Naruto isn't related to her, because technically, he is.
 
** "10" [[Kushina Uzumaki]]? Wait... this can't be a recent thread '~'
 
** "11" That's already been established. The same could be said of Jiraiya and Orochimaru's relationship and how it culminated.
 
** She was inebriated when she was talking to Jiraiya there.
 
Naruto is related to Hashirama but from what is known currently, it's in the most distant and roundabout way that I can think of. Also don't think Tsunade is Minato's mother, she would have had to be pregnant during the Second World War and still went out to battle o.O?
 
 
For the Madara bit, I'd chalk that up to the whole same artist theory again simply because I've seen it before. I personally still think [[Darui]] and [[Killer B's Cousin]] have common features. If they are related meh, that's some Batman stuff. Any way it's not like these people aren't related through a common ancestor but I really wouldn't put that much into Madara being closely related to Nagato.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:09, June 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
It would be interesting since people seem more open to the idea of Minato marrying his own relative as opposed to the outrage that greets the Hyūga marry within their own clan. As for the Nagato thing, nah, still don't see it. Funny though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 21:09, June 16, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
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did'nt you saw my highlighet signature? i can make you one! like <span style="color:green; background:yellow; text-shadow:black 0 8px 8px ">elveonora </span>
 
 
== Re: 67.253.195.187 / 86.166.27.205 ==
 
Do not feed the trolls. Ignore them and list them for blocking [[User talk:Jacce/Requests|here]]. Feeding them just makes them want to continue trolling people. --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:21, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== question ==
 
hey elveonora...i don't how to put this question,..why is it that when i'm signing my post and then read it afterward, my name is co;ored red(meaning my page does not exist even thoug i'm already signed in..can you help me about that?)
 
[[User:Saeyatachi|Saeyatachi]] ([[User talk:Saeyatachi|talk]]) 02:23, July 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi
 
 
yeah...but like i said earlier,i'm really new here. so how could i make a user page?[[User:Saeyatachi|Saeyatachi]] ([[User talk:Saeyatachi|talk]]) 02:41, July 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi
 
 
now i get it..thanks[[User:Saeyatachi|Saeyatachi]] ([[User talk:Saeyatachi|talk]]) 02:47, July 12, 2012 (UTC)Saeyatachi
 
 
==Orochimaru's Juinjutsu==
 
 
I'm pretty sure the function of the seal is separate from orochimaru's chakra's presence.
 
 
The function is similar to that in Jugo, who does not have Orochimaru's chakra at all.
 
 
When Orochimaru mentioned he put his own senjutsu chakra in it, I believe he meant he put in enough chakra to constitute an entire human being, instead of splitting his original chakra amount off. This means each of the seals contains sufficient chakra to form a whole Orochimaru by himself, instead of having his main chakra/soul split into pieces voldemort style.
 
 
== Re: cursed seals ==
 
 
No real reason. When I was goin through it parts of it sounded better in past tense in my head at least.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:04, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Ossūūū (-.\\\) --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:20, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Conduct in Sage Mode discussion ==
 
 
Elveonora, despite agreeing with you on the topic, I must call your attention to your attitude towards SuperSaiyaMan. Him disagreeing with your opinion is no excuse for you to accusing him of having "some kind of retardation/disability either psychical or physical", as well as calling him ignorant or retarded just for calling it or because one doesn't agree with you. That's harassment. Disagree with him all you want, discuss with him all you want, but be civil. There are lots of ways to point out either logical faults in arguments, say he's being ignorant ''to a fact'' if you must, but you're exceeding yourself. Get a grip. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 20:07, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Nothing he has done there is an excuse to call him names. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:07, July 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: yo ==
 
 
Yeah I mean it's not too boring, but there's nothing I feel like discussing in particular. Nothing special happenings. Hopefully the Ten-Tails will be amazing enough to change that. :P --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 01:37, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Ah well, I kinda hate myself for not doing anything unless I'm quite sure of it. There is absolutely no way for me to guess who Tobi is... I mean there is a good possibility that he's Izuna but Kishimoto may surprise us. I'm still waiting for more natures to be revealed :P --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 05:27, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Kekkei Tōta... I just think we don't know enough yet, although I have a few loose ideas. About the chapter... yeah at least it confirmed the Gedo thing. Hopefully the Ten-Tails can use special natures and stuff, or something... LOL --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 23:47, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Mm yeah I felt that the transition from mass of pure hate to fellow reliable ally could have been done a little better. Kurama seems to imply that the Ten-Tails is still a destructive and malicious being, although I personally felt that the Ten-Tails may not be pure evil as it is commonly described. As the progenitor of all, it has more of a chaotic alignment, and in a way, it is only carrying out its role in the universe, whether it thinks so or not. If it truly is the beginning of all, it must be the first thing to have existed, which I believe is because it was born from chaos itself... or some weird stuff like that. From what the Sage said, it seems the Sage had a plan involving the rebirth of the Ten-Tails as well, considering how he said that they would become one entity again. I'm guessing that by splitting the Ten-Tails' massive hatred into nine smaller pieces, it would be easier to "purify" the hatred, and when the time came when they would unite, they would no longer be a creature of hatred. Not the most likely, but it's the one theory that I can back up as much. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 05:33, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Well the creator also being the destroyer is actually not too rare in myths, as many creation myths often involve a giant (or something similar in other cases) just walking around on an empty earth or sea, dragging continents into place and such. Like I said, if it's literally the beginning, I say it was simply born from chaos, because something is bound to arise from chaos in such myths. However, if the "first thing" story is an exaggeration and it actually came later on, I would say it was born from the massive hatred collecting up in places of war, disease, famine, and death - Hatred between men. By sealing the beast, the Sage would have also symbolically proven that hatred can be overcome, and gave the people of the world hope. In term's of Kurama's change, although weird, I would have to say that it was a purely moral struggle involving him and Naruto (Although the chakra purification theory has some basis, I think Kishi would not do that because it somewhat takes away the moral impact.). In general, I think Kishi was trying to say that the Tailed Beasts all being called masses of hatred was just a product of mankind's prejudice, making them more misunderstood and violent. Also, I also thought the same thing about the Ten-Tails being the origin of chakra and all, although I still think the Sage had some knowledge of chakra, likely resultant from the beast (The sealing technique, you know?). That's also the same reason why I am looking forward to the Ten-Tails fight - Hopefully its powers are more unique and special than just massive waves of energy and tearing up the earth and stuff (I hate when mangas have the most epic fights with such boring abilities). I have no idea who this "omniscient person" is. In fact, I don't really get what's exactly going on; Is Sasuke's gang ditching the war? I mean, of course I understand what happened, but I want a little more information first. Besides, I don't really make theories unless I'm pretty sure. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 00:21, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Yeah, Naruto has not always been the best story in terms of plotholes and such, but I'm sure Bleach is worse. Also, if you read the wikipedia pages for Daidarabocchi and Ippon-Datara, you can see that if the Ten-Tails is a similar case, it may be creating the geography of the world unintentionally (footprints became lakes, he split mountains by accident, etc.). So the Ten-Tails may simply be walking around the world and destroying things not because it hates humans, but just because it feels like it. It would represent the uncontrollable and unpredictable forces of nature: true "chaos." By sealing the beast inside him, the Sage would have brought "order" to the world, by making the beast's power more beneficial to the world. I think the beast being called a "god" is an exaggeration, as with all things called gods in most manga. Also, I think that even if Naruto's chakra purified it, there's still a moral side to it, since Naruto's chakra is "warm and bright" due to his personality and ideology. By the way, I'm actually expecting nothing but a roaring monster... :P --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 22:53, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
* Hmm I was never much of a creator, but rather more of an observer and analyzer, so I can't really say how I would end this - I would have never made such complex characters such as Kurama or Sasuke, both of whom are portrayed as evil beyond repair and then attempted to be fixed.
 
* I would say Naruto seemingly has the ability to bring pure "goodness" into people's hearts, even getting Tailed Beasts onto his side. He was able to stay optimistic in the darkest childhood, and his ideals of placing willpower and perseverance above revenge and cynicism carry on the Sage's vision for the future of the world.
 
* Honestly, I've been trying to let my mind go of the element business for a while. I did this before, and I was able to see the matter from a much more objective view, and come up with better ideas. I'm sure I'll have something soon.
 
* The Moon's Eye Plan is something I agree and disagree with at the same time. The idea is to make everyone think the same thing - to attain agreement at the sacrifice of individuality. In Madara's and Tobi's philosophy, it matters not who casts the illusion because either way this assimilation of minds will take place. You would think that you dislike the plan, but once you're under it, you probably won't think of rebelling because you can't. You just can't think anything on your own because every single organism on the planet thinks the same thing as Madara or Tobi, and don't feel happy, sad, or angry about the whole matter. It's weird, but it makes sense to me. I mean, it's not presented as being right, but Kishi makes several explorations of fictional ideas of world peace, which I think is one of the better things in Naruto.
 
* I personally loved Orochimaru's goal of obtaining immortality to learn all the jutsu of the world. It's a shame that he didn't get very close to that goal. --[[User:GoDai|GoDai]] ([[User talk:GoDai|talk]]) 00:45, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
== Explanation of Tobi's eyes, not a TOBI ID theory ==
 
 
The reason why Tobi uses/used a Mangekyou-like techniques, yet has been shown using just a regular Sharingan is simple.
 
People take it as a fact that he, Tobi possess Hashirama's DNA/cells. That isn't right IMO, he just has some Zetsu mass/goo that was created from a flower that originates from a Wood Release technique/Hashi Plant Clone and that allows him to use Izanagi.
 
The original Zetsu can't use the Wood Release IMO, only after Yamato enhancement the clones were capable of such.
 
Kabuto made it clear that Danzo was a prototype and Edo Madara a perfected one, with Yamato being kind of clone.
 
 
I bet that Tobi has/had [http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kotoamatsukami the same technique as Shisui] and used it to control Yagura (obviously) and Kurama.
 
The reason why his Sharingan doesn't take on a shape of a Mangekyou, [and how he could control a perfect host and a tailed beast] is because Kotoamatsukami is on the decade cooldown.
 
 
Just like Shisui, he had the power in both eyes. One was sacrificed for Izanagi though, the other is on cooldown.
 
Thus Tobi's original MS technique being Kotoamatsukami, but he also gained a SIMILAR technique to Kamui through training.
 
 
So as long as the genjutsu is on cooldown, his Sharingan eye won't show up as a Mangekyou while using his Space-Time Migration.
 
You ask, why didn't we see a Mangekyou while he had control over Kurama?
 
Well, because he used his left eye that was hidden under a mask.
 
 
Hope it makes sense > opinions please.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 15:56, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:No offence, but I'd rather not. As i've said before, i'm not a big fan of the whole theorising thing, I'd simply prefer to wait and see. Interesting theory though.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:51, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I'm afraid you're wrong. Why you ask? 'Cause just 'cause you used Kotoamatsukami (Or whatever its name is) doesn't mean you can't use the Mangekyou Sharingan during the cooldown. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 17:00, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The crow was commanded to use Kotoamatsukami the minute Itachi's Mangekyou Sharingan is used. Keeping the MS on would probably waste the crow's little chakra. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 18:43, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
"Shisui's eye won't activate for another ten years. You won't be able to use it against Sasuke" -Itachi Uchiha.
 
So, I guess you're probably right. But I doubt that one could use Kotoamatsukami on multiple people. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 19:09, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
An other reason for why I think Tobi wanted Shisui's eye, for is not just because a decade is time too long till he could use it again, but also I think that to create an Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, the 2 pairs of eyes do not necessary have to be of siblings/close blood relatives. But as long as the "host" (an Uchiha with blind MS) had the same eye powers as the "host eyes" (of Uchiha's with "light" in his eyes) then an EMS shall be created.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 19:43, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Let's say he used Kotoamatsukami on Kurama. That gives him 10 years to cooldown. I'm pretty sure he controlled Yagura in the 15 years period, and probably not after a year or two from the Kurama incident, to make Ao's and Kisame's ages sensible. Then, by the time of the war, he'd only be able to use it just once. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 20:32, August 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Language, and I still don't think Tobi used Kotoamatsukami, but I'll leave you with your theory. As for the Izuna theory, I'm very sure you do know that Izuna lost ''both'' of his eyes for his brother, so discussing it with you would be useless and such a drag. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 01:18, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Language, and you're welcome. And please, history recorded Izuna also dead. Madara made an impression of it in the war. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 16:12, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I'm talking about Madara Uchiha, not Tobi. Madara said something along the lines of "Izuna's power was what he left me", which gives the impression that he ''is'' dead. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 17:43, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
My #1 bet? I have two:
 
 
1- The Ten-Tails.
 
 
2- [[Kagami Uchiha]].
 
 
They're both tied. Obito, Izuna, the eldest son of the Sage of the Six Paths and some other theories I can't remember right now are out of the question for me. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 17:55, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Tobi referenced to the Tailed Beasts as ''his pieces''. And when Kakashi asked him what his goal was, Tobi replied "To be complete". Also, Tobi is another word for Ten-Tails in Japanese. There's also been a reference to it in the Three-Tails Arc between Tobi and Deidara:
 
 
'''Tobi''': By the way............ which Tailed Beast are we after again?
 
 
'''Deidara''': Sanbi! Sanbi!
 
 
'''Tobi''': Ichibi........ Niibi....... Sanbi....... And I'm Tobi! Duh!
 
 
Except for the last one, which isn't really supportive, these things support my theory. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 18:22, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I admit that right now I'm having doubts about my theory, seeing the change of things right now, but I believed that Tobi's conciousness was the Ten-Tails' while the body was Kagami's, seeing that Tobi's face's very important so that we wouldn't see it and that Kisame has seen it. Either ways, we'll have to wait a few weeks to see who's Tobi, and see who's right and who's wrong: You or me, me or you. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 19:36, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: File: Pein Rikudo.png ==
 
It's fine. I want to hear other people's opinions as well because this is just becoming annoying for me if I can't even do what everyone else is doing =.= --[[User:Speysider|Speysider]] <sup><small>[[User_talk:Speysider|Talk Page]] | [[User:Speysider/Images|My Image Uploads]] | [[User:Speysider/Tabber Code|Tabber Code]] | [[w:c:supersajuuk|My Wiki]] | [http://youtube.com/user/SuperSajuuk Channel]</small></sup> 21:51, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Not against the rules to make an edit no. But that's not an excuse to have things formatted differently across the Wiki. If he wants to format them wrong, then by all means he can do so. I just don't care to hear him act like he's being attacked when someone else formats them correctly.
 
:And note: You're right all our editors are not English speakers. But this is an English Language wiki. We have established guidelines on what get's translated, and what doesn't. Impure World Reincarnation falls into the translated.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:02, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
::I explained it briefly in Spey's talk page, but I'm a fair man and I will make this one of my final edits for the evening.
 
:::Rasengan and Chidori are noted as special cases. For a while, they were translated as "Spiraling Spehre" and "One Thousand Birds". They changed when more variations of the two started showing up, and because they weren't translated in any language that mattered for this wiki, the decision at the time was to turn them and their variations back to Rasengan and Chidori. This case is one of the ones still open for debate.
 
:::Impure World Reincarnation however does not have that. We do not do things "based on what everyone does", because if we did, we would have long had Tobi and Obito's articles merged into one, Naruto listed as Minato's son, and all manners of stuff because this fandom is loud and vocal.
 
:::"True it's weird to have part of the wiki one way and the rest the other... it's really not an issue though when people know what a term does refer to." People who do know is not the issue, it's people who don't. If you already know Edo Tensei is the Impure World, then good for you. If you don't and come across an image and see Edo Tensei, you get confused. They don't need to be confused for little to no reason.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:20, August 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Kusanagi - Oro edit ==
 
 
We don't know what that was about. It could be as you said, it could have been forshadowing that as long as part of his DNA exists, and managed to reach one of his cursed seals and got Releasing Sealed, he he would pop out that way. What we do know is that, Orochimaru was sealed in the sword.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 04:49, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:And part of his consciousness was alive in the Cursed Seal since it's been put there. He did the same thing with Sasuke. Regardless, we know he was sealed into the sword, hell the man spoke a sentence just before hid entire body was sucked in. And you're right, there aren't two Orochimarus. There is only one, and he's playing with Sasuke. Sealed Orochimaru is basically in a state of death. The idea of the Impure World and the Pure World can't apply here, because beyond the Impure World Resurrection, we don't know the extent of the worlds.
 
:Also somewhat worth mentioning, Nagato said as he was being sealed in the same sword, he was going to go back to where Jiraiya was, which would imply the "Pure World" which you said Orochimaru couldn't be.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:01, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::1) Yes.
 
::2) Speculation on my part, but it explains why he didn't need to use the Releasing Method to pop out of the seal.
 
::3) Indeed. Because Sealed in permanent genjutsu = deader than dead.
 
::4) And Orochimaru had his consciousness alive and well in Anko's seal. How else would he be aware of everything that Anko is aware of in respects to the war if he was chillin in dead world all this time?
 
::5) And you know this how?
 
::6) Kishimoto doesn't make many things obvious. It seems obvious to you because it helps reach a conclusion that makes sense to you. When you are forced to look at things objectively, you are left with more questions than answers, hence it's not certain.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 17:13, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Orochimaru's Height ==
 
 
Thank you for the orochimaru height/weight problem, Elveonora!
 
Virgo Dandela --[[Special:Contributions/180.254.116.192|180.254.116.192]] ([[User talk:180.254.116.192|talk]]) 13:01, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Edit Help ==
 
Is there any way I can make some edits Im one of the biggest Naruto fans there if u cant decide who is the founder of this wiki
 
 
--[[User:RollComics|RollComics]] ([[User talk:RollComics|talk]]) 16:19, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Sure. I think I know what the person's on about.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:46, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Tobi = Obito ==
 
 
Aye. He is.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:14, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I have mixed feelings about this chapter. So excited by the first part but the last spread was the first time I can truly say I was disappointed in Kishimoto. Still waiting for the twist at the end of the twist i.e. the story behind it all to redeem this.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:40, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
This is why I don't theorise. There's nothing we can do but accept it and move on lol.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 12:45, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Loved the chapter lol. Th flaskback, art was superb, the last part, 3 spoken words? Epic. lol Was only disappointed by the Obito bit, but still hopeful.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:58, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: could you please ==
 
 
Lol, No problem I love off-topic stuff like flashbacks. Also, IKR, there looking like Rico Suave.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:05, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== exactly ==
 
Now you know how i felt when everybody was against me when i said that kushina have a version 1 form and i have facts to prove it so ha. [[User:Animefreak 55|Animefreak 55]] ([[User talk:Animefreak 55|talk]]) 20:57, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
hmm yeah now you look unprofessional. But yeah you a hot mess. Good luck with that boo :* ;)
 
 
So? It funny how you have a titi attack for no reason. LMFAOO I swear on some stupid ****. Be careful boo, you dont wanna waste your time and be like "oh" anyway you get the point :* <3
 
[[User:Animefreak 55|Animefreak 55]] ([[User talk:Animefreak 55|talk]]) 21:09, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Hey ==
 
 
I just wanna apologize for the argument earlier. The latest chapter seemed to put a lot of people on edge, myself included. And after hours of debate, it seemed to turn into an argument, and I said things I didn't mean, and got quite rude. I'm not trying to deny the possibility of Tobi not being 100% Obito, despite my own opinions. Sorry about trying to stomp on yours. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 22:36, August 29, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: tankoubon ==
 
 
Well, Volume 61 was released in July, and Volume 62 is due to be released in October. I don't know how many chapter it'll cover. For it to cover up to this week's chapter, it would have to cover 12 chapters, which is sort of unusual. It's usually 10 chapters, the most I've seen is 13 I think, but other than 10, it's very rare to get an even number of chapters in the volume. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:52, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Sorry ==
 
 
Sorry to be a dick about this.. but what's your take on the latest chapter? You said to wait a week, and even went so far as to say that Tobi is definitely not Obito after having his mask removed. I'm not rubbing it in, I just want to hear what you think. :P --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 08:26, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yeah no offense but I agree with M4ND0N. Now you'll stop dragging your theory that Tobi is not Obito. ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:rockleespinoff|RLS]])</sup> 15:15, September 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
::What's the difference of Tobi=Obito and Obito=Tobi? XD ~[[User:IndxcvNovelist|IndxcvNovelist]] <sup>([[User talk:IndxcvNovelist|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/IndxcvNovelist|contribs]] | [[w:c:phoenixrising|PR]] | [[w:c:rockleespinoff|RLS]])</sup> 10:08, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Kinda rude? Or is it normal here? ==
 
 
You deleted all of my text from [[Talk:Obito_Uchiha]] instead of moving it?
 
--[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 20:05, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I put a lot of work into my post too, and felt that eradicating it didn't help; would rather have seen your opinion in a reply rather than a deletion, but that's just me I guess. The Obito edits were a rush job by folks who have been itching to make those changes for months. They weren't even proofread; it was initially just search/replace/submit. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I do think a scolding was in order. --[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 00:09, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The changes I would propose would include wide-scale deletions/reversions without consensus, which we've already established that I'm against. ;-) Plus, I don't have edit permission, due to the age of my account. In any case, you all have basically done a great job on the wiki, so I'll just back off for a while, confident that it'll get fixed after subsequent chapters clarify things. And once my account is mature enough, maybe I can lend a hand too. --[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 00:54, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== LOL ==
 
[http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i49/5/8/29/frabz-i-got-beat-by-Obito-c6a178.jpg poor guy 0_o]
 
--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 23:18, September 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== now we know... ==
 
That the statement of Tobi/Madara giving Nagato "the Rinnegan" is false.
 
Madara has awakened it before his deathbed, and lived long enough to know Obito.
 
 
While Nagato obviously had it since childhood.--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 00:08, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Or, Madara or Tobi gave it to Nagato, and Obito didn't have anything to do with it. ;-) --[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 00:12, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Wait why is it a Lol that Madara knows how to create rinnegans? It's been established that he does know how. When edo tensei Madara was revived he was pleased to find that Kabuto had equipped him with everything he needed I manifest his own rinnegan, just as Madara had been able to awaken within himself before he died. Rinnegan = sharingan + senjuu DNA. Madara had both after his fight with hashirama. Nagato had the DNA, and Madara/Tobi surely had access to surplus eyes...
 
[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 00:31, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
What! Senju+Sharingan=Rinnegan is way less speculative than Tobi=Obito, especially given clear indications that Tobi is a Zetsu clone. Good point about Senju!=Uzumaki, I got mixed up; though you've got to admit that an Uzumaki/SoSP connection is clear. --[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 00:49, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Madara himself called him Obito. Quit the speculation, it's done. --[[User:M4ND0N|M4ND0N]] ([[User talk:M4ND0N|talk]]) 06:30, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Good point, because Madara would never tell a lie!™ Same for Tobi. I hope you have a big appetite because you're going to be eating all your words. ;) --[[User:Refried|Refried]] ([[User talk:Refried|talk]]) 12:45, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
How are those words tasting, buddy? The latest chapter showed a clear panel of Obito after the rocks crushed him. This is why theorists need to stop.. you're grasping at straws, and it only makes you look like a dumbass when one chapter later, your theory is crushed. --[[Special:Contributions/174.4.131.186|174.4.131.186]] ([[User talk:174.4.131.186|talk]]) 05:46, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Kakashi edit ==
 
 
I don't really recall any instance in the manga of Kakashi having copied Guy's moves, or even being mentioned as having done that. I haven't seen those chapters in a long while, but what I do remember is that Sasuke was saw and copied some of Lee's techniques, even using them during the extra phase after the second phase ended to decrease the number of people in the main rounds. That's before Kakashi trained him. When Sasuke began fighting Gaara, Lee noticed that Sasuke's speed was on par with his with the weights, and then when Sasuke sped up, without the weights. Other than Lion Combo and sheer speed, Sasuke never really did anything remotely similar to Strong Fist style, at least not that I recall. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:23, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
:I don't think opening the gates is something you can simply copy. I'm certain Guy and Kakashi have butted heads many times, and that Kakashi used the Sharingan a few times and ended up copying some moves, but I don't recall the manga bothering to point out Kakashi also used Strong Fist. The only time I remember Kakashi using something explicitly Strong Fist was in an anime-only sequence in early Part II when he has Naruto and Sakura retake the bell test. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:35, September 7, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== How would Mei and Kurotsuchi have 3 releases. ==
 
 
well, how would mei and kurotsuchi have 3 releases?.
 
 
And how does mei have 2 advanced?--[[User:Aeonophic|Aeonophic]] ([[User talk:Aeonophic|talk]]) 16:38, September 9, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
 
 
== Re: hello buddy ==
 
 
Heller~<br/>
 
I'd be glad to help.
 
* You can create a custom userbox [[Template:Userbox/doc|here]]. Just type in a name and create it. Or you can just add {{Tlx|Userbox/Disappointed by Kishimoto}} to your page.
 
* The "emoticons" are one the site, I just clicked add picture, searched for "icons" and added them.
 
 
Anything else specific you need help with you can ask ^^.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:28, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
If you're referring to https://s3.amazonaws.com/TrollEmoticons/troll.png ←that, I have no idea how it works. I just started using it after someone who trolled my talkpage once did. The add photo wouldn't supply you with that because the image is not hosted on the wiki.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:45, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
Just post the url: <nowiki>https://s3.amazonaws.com/TrollEmoticons/troll.png</nowiki>, it will render on its own.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 13:59, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I should have also explained that I don't know why that image will render in that manner and not others. I'd assume it's something akin to the icons up top or something...--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:36, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Rinnegan > Sharingan/Sharingan > Rinnegan ==
 
 
To my knowledge there is no confusion.
 
* What does the Ten-Tails have to do with the Sage's eyes? Canonically not theoretically.
 
* The Sage's first son and his lineage inherited his eyes.
 
* What happens between the Sharingan moving to the Mangekyō Sharingan is called evolution.
 
** The Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is not a part of '''natural''' evolution, and is in fact not evolution at all.
 
* If someone with the Sharingan obtains the Rinnegan by re-mering the two bloodlines, then the eye has devolved to its origins. Devolution is its own evolution. It is inaccurate to say the eye evolves any further than the Mangekyō.
 
 
As for everything else, I cannot speculate as to what the Ten-Tails had that the Sage didn't because I wasn't there, and the only person that does know, has yet to tell us.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:42, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re:Yin yang release- [[Obito]] Speculations. ==
 
 
Lets forget about the wood release, because that was given by cells transplanted. Not natural. But he had fire release in the first place. Why would he have yin and yang release, with an addition of yin-yang?--[[User:Aeonophic|Aeonophic]] ([[User talk:Aeonophic|talk]]) 19:24, October 21, 2012 (UTC)[[Aeonophic]]dosent ee
 
 
Trained and learned? Naruto could'nt ''train and learn ligntning release''. He dosen't have the genes. Obito dosent have the genes for yin-yang release. I would understand if he had it for 1. But 2? and then a [[kekkei genkai]] of it? I think Ive got you cornered.--[[User:Aeonophic|Aeonophic]] ([[User talk:Aeonophic|talk]]) 19:33, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
 
 
So, you are saying, that if naruto trains and tries to master lightning release, and water release, then storm release, it is possible to attain them?--[[User:Aeonophic|Aeonophic]] ([[User talk:Aeonophic|talk]]) 19:50, October 21, 2012 (UTC)Aeonophic
 
 
== Technique Backlash? ==
 
 
Just thinking on the topic of Scorch Release and the backlash of techniques. I'm not looking for an argument or anything, just to clear that up before I get started, but it does make for a very interesting topic of conversation. Lee and Naruto in particular are fine examples of people whose techniques backlash, what with the Gates pretty much mess him up, same with Gai and Naruto's Rasenshuriken was insanely damaging before he figured out how to fix it.
 
 
Looking at it objectively, it would be insane to think that just because a person uses a technique, they are immune to it. If two people of the same clan fight they aren't reduced to just slapping each other. So I guess that for any technique to be used safely there's likely a procedure or a blind spot etc. Having said this, this means the Edo Ninja have an extra advantage over normal people as techniques that were perhaps too dangerous or difficult to use in life can now be used without fail. Like Deidara reusing C0 without issue or Nagato and Itachi making use of their abilities despite the immense fatigue it caused in life. It is something of a double-edged sword as because of this Pseudo-Immortality Deidara and Sasori let their guard down far easier than when they were alive. In this manner it means that the Edo have the potential to be even more deadly then they were in life even disregarding the direct effect of their regeneration. Anyway, I think I might write up a piece on this, thanks for the ideas. --[[User:Hawkeye2701|Hawkeye2701]] ([[User talk:Hawkeye2701|talk]]) 22:25, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: deleted topic ==
 
 
If you could point me to the deleted topic, because I am not sure which article I messed with.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 00:54, November 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Anko's case ==
 
 
Not too sure I can help there. For one I don't really follow the timeline. Secondly I believe the information should be mentioned as long as it's not represented as canon manga information. Mahaps you'd want to suggest a small notation saying "the contents of this arc somewhat contradicts that of the manga information" or something like that, but I don't believe we should do away with it altogether.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:01, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: hayate revived what? ==
 
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJI5B9xPwXU&feature=plcp Observe]. --[[User:OmegaRasengan|OmegaRasengan]] ([[User talk:OmegaRasengan|talk]]) 20:10, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== :V logic or plain ignorance! ==
 
 
why did you delete my comments?? i find that very ignorant of you to do so, if ''I DONT AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE TEN-TAILS'' you dont have to delete them
 
 
 
you're taking this the wrong way, the gedo mazo is like what Naruto is to the kyuubi, their are the bijuus ''vessels'' when rikudo sealed the bijuu in him did he seal the giant gedo mazo in himself??? i dont think so, if madara pulled out kyuubi from naruto what does that leave naruto?? an empty vessel he longer has the kyuubi, thats the same with the juubi so basically what you're saying is that naruto is the kyuubi and rikudo once became not a vessel but the juubi himself. when he sealed the juubi into himself! the juubi is the progenitor of the naruto world, he is the beginning the souce of all ''chakra'' how can you say he is not a bijuu when over and over and over it implies he is a bijuu that same madara said the kyuubi was once one being ''not'' part of one being but ''one single being'' ALSO. ''the chapter said madara named THE SHELL ''GEDO MAZO'' not the juubi himself. The juubi is still referred to as TEN-TAILS or as now some say DEIDARABOOCHI--[[User:Manga-anime90001|Manga-anime90001]] ([[User talk:Manga-anime90001|talk]]) 11:14, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
i am done talking with you.. according to your logic naruto is the kyuubi and killer bee is the eight tails, and what booo tone???--[[User:Manga-anime90001|Manga-anime90001]] ([[User talk:Manga-anime90001|talk]]) 18:06, November 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Obito Uchiha (chapter) error ==
 
 
I removed it for the simple fact that yes it is an error, but at the same time it isn't. From a truly analytical perspective yes it is an error as apparently ages don't match up and so on. However, it's not an error in the sense that it will ever have a hope of being corrected. Looking at it layman you would expect all those people to be part if the same "year batch" like the Konoha 11. I'm sure that something of this level has reached Kishimoto's attention, however, he's since then made no changes even adding them as a subsequent chapter cover, which would make it simply a calculation error and not one that should be mentioned in the article. Tankobōn isn't going to come out and show you a different batch of people. I hope I made sense.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:01, November 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I don't think it's junk trivia, I think. To me it's more like trivia that doesn't have to be mentioned. Basically I mean, yes the ages don't add up or whatever but it never going to be something that gets corrected. He isn't going to draw completely new people in the tankobon or something like that. Yeah I know he might change the ages in the databook, but not the characters. That's why I said chalk it up to a series calculation flaw.--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 10:24, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
why did you change the things i edited?
 
 
== Juubi ==
 
 
why did you remove the picture of the juubi's final form that i had put there?-----Cielotyradino
 
 
Hello there...this is the first time i make a request to you. Even though i've been an editor here for a fair amount of time, i've always had trouble with the images and how to get them. I was wondering if you could help me. I need three pics from chapter 605 Hell pages 11-12 i believe which show Obito's Wood Release: Cutting Technique, him throwing the branch, performing the ram sign, and the branches multiplying inside the target. This is too re-structure the article as it's current standing is wrong and to create a proper slideshow of it. Thank you in advance. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:44, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== A request ==
 
 
Hello there...this is the first time i make a request to you. Even though i've been an editor here for a fair amount of time, i've always had trouble with the images and how to get them. I was wondering if you could help me. I need three pics from chapter 605 Hell pages 11-12 i believe which show Obito's Wood Release: Cutting Technique, him throwing the branch, performing the ram sign, and the branches multiplying inside the target. This is too re-structure the article as it's current standing is wrong and to create a proper slideshow of it. Thank you in advance. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:46, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Sorry a little correction: not the pic of the ram sign, but the one of the kiri-nin getting impaled first. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 01:59, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Cutting Technique request ==
 
 
Cuz yours are better than mine given how this was literally the first time i did this, and it didn't go soo well. So if you could upload and replace then it'll be great. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 20:32, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
The tags are already there, all you have to do is write the names and such, it's that easy. [[User:Darksusanoo|Darksusanoo]] ([[User talk:Darksusanoo|talk]]) 21:06, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: chapter 592-593 request ==
 
 
Well, as far as I can see, the mangareader-version is correct. Sasuke and Suigetsu use the term 全てを知る人間 ''subete o shiru ningen'', which translates to ''all-knowing person''. Orochimaru specifies this by saying 奴ら ''yatsura'', which means ''them''. So there's more than one ''all-knowing person''. They don't say more about these persons. [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 13:56, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== Re: Sasuke vs Itachi line ==
 
 
Where can I find that line? [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]]<sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 18:27, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 

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Re: hello Edit

Hi, Elveonora. I'm sorry that this is months late, but as you have noted, I have not been here for a while. However, be assured, as I have dropped in occasionally to observe progress; I've just been quite busy with studies and work, but you are also right about me somewhat giving up on Naruto - It's not entirely true, as I have enjoyed the series, but I had to lay off for a bit because my expectations and attachments had become too large. Of course, I have also been following the series, and while there were large disappointments along the way, I feel alright with how it ended.

I had also been working as a translator for the Korean webcomic series Tower of God, so that was also a thing that had me occupied.

To try and answer your questions:

  • I still personally feel like black lightning was meant to be the Lightning variant of Amaterasu. Seeing how the recent databook translations by Seelentau have revealed Amaterasu and Blaze Release to just be a stronger modified Fire, I'd imagine that black lightning was intended to be a stronger Lightning Release in a similar manner.
  • My current guess for "Magnet Release" is that it isn't the simplest form of magnetism that we imagine. While magnetism falls under it, I'm guessing that the "磁" may have been expanded to include "forces" (all that Naruto science) that move other metallic or earthen materials. As far as I'm aware, gold is only weakly diamagnetic as well, but it was controlled on almost the same scale as iron sand was. In conclusion, I believe that this is just like the Lava, Storm and Boil Releases in that its name isn't always literally what it does (I was always a fan of the "The nature name is only symbolic" thing.). While unconfirmed, I believe that the appearance of Magnetism+sand on Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken is good evidence for believing that that is how sand is manipulated.
  • I have no choice but to concede to Kishi's classification of Blaze Release. One of the minor reasons for my leave was because coming here too often twisted and limited my thoughts, and I often found clarity when I had ceased rambling on in a hurry to fill ideas. At this stage, considering the general connotation of the character "炎" (flame) in Japanese, Chinese and Korean, it makes the most sense for it to be a stronger Fire, and nothing more. I would, however, still assume that "Blaze" is Sharingan-based, since I don't imagine Sasuke using it without the dōjutsu. However, we'll probably never know.
  • The pattern theory (if true at all) requires that that Wind+Lightning be "Wind modified by Lightning" or "Wind with properties of Lightning", so as long as your interpretation of Magnetism agrees with this, it seems possible to not disagree. However, I would personally stick to Lightning+Earth, although I have no idea how Kishi views Magnetism.
    • (Of course, the recent revelation that it's highly likely to be Earth+Wind kills our discussion, I suppose.)
  • I was once a proponent of the idea that Fire+Lightning=Blaze, because I felt that lightning's charged plasma nature would "enhance" fire to produce solar plasma, which in this case was expressed as black flames (because Kishi thinks black fire looks cool). In an alternative interpretation, Amaterasu is only fire, but so hot that it's charged - Lightning thus allows one to manipulate it. (Not that any of this is valid anymore, seeing the recent classifications.) If this was true, however, it would not disagree with the pattern theory.

Again, I apologize for being so late; I may be around a tad bit more often, so please do feel free to chat me up. --GoDai (talk) 03:46, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

I just travelled quite a bit as a child, so I was able to loosely learn a few languages during my earlier life. I certainly don't think that it's anything special, and even if it was a talent, we all have that in some area. Now, onto Naruto-related business:

  • I would feel better about Blaze and Black Lightning if the "strengthening" was just caused by a combination with Yin or Yang. However, Darui and the Third Raikage were not recorded as users of Yin or Yang, so that seems unlikely. Seems like we do need to go with the "stronger version" idea, unless Black Lightning is not really like Amaterasu. Perhaps Gengetsu's oil-like water could be a similar sort of "stronger version".
  • My current idea for Magnet Release is that the Wind nature represents an invisible force that acts on objects from a distance, causing them to float, as seen in the Ice and Scorch natures. If floating ice panels and floating fireballs can be created, it seems that Magnet Release controlling floating earth (sand, metals) is possible. If so, then the name "Magnet" would just be symbolism for forces that move earthen materials and Magnet Release would encompass both normal magnetism (for iron sand, Toroi's technique) and other unspecified forces (for gold dust, sand). This new definition would be okay with my pattern theory, as Earth would still enhance Wind (to make an invisible earth-controlling force, similar to my "solidified air" theory for sand) and the result would be "opposite" to Lightning, possibly meaning that Lightning and Magnetism oppose each other (Lightning would revert Magnetism to Wind, according to the pattern theory).
    • While we tend to think of magnets as being related to electricity in modern times (electromagnetism), it is likely that people in old times didn't know about the relationship, and simply believed magnets to be rocks that could push other rocks with this mysterious pressure (that's what it feels like when I play with magnets, anyway), so perhaps Kishimoto's combination makes sense. I support the idea that the natures are named in a traditional manner, while the effects of the Releases' techniques are more technical. (I use Storm as strong evidence of that.) It's true that the Naruto world has advanced technology, but I think most of the technique names are named in ways that invoke old-language uses.
    • Of course, the above is just my theory and for now, we should not label any of Gaara's techniques as Magnet Release in my opinion. Kishimoto has occasionally redefined things (like Amaterasu) but until such a move is made, it seems that sand-based techniques should remain considered non-elemental.
  • I personally liked it better when the Tailed Beast Skills were just unique abilities, with Son being the only one possessing an advanced nature. However, I did share your idea that the Tailed Beasts, Ten-Tails included, would have the ten natures, when it was revealed that Shukaku had Magnet Release (and consequently Kokuō with Boil). I always did feel that Wood's mysterious relation to Tailed Beasts was a hint of sorts, and I suppose that the Shinju cleared that up. I don't know if Kishimoto is actually going to follow through with our expectations (since he's great at that), but if I was forced to match them up, I'd say the following (I don't have strong confidence in them, at all):
    • Isobu would have Ice. I can imagine it using ice mirrors, since Yagura used the Water Release: Water Mirror Technique.
    • Gyūki's beam-like techniques in video games seem similar to Storm Release to me, so it seems okay to guess that Gyūki has Storm. The octopus-like shape could explain the Water component. The ink might also be symbolically connected to dark storm clouds (reminiscent of the movie's usage of Storm).
    • Chōmei would have my Wind+Lightning combination, a super-vibration sort of nature, since insect wings do that. Wind+Lightning also reminds me of light, and that might connect to the insect scales.
    • Kurama is a nine-tailed fox, which also bears connections to ghostly fire, and could have Scorch. Otherwise, Explosion would be my guess, given Kurama's connection to disasters. I suppose it could trade Explosion for the Wind+Lightning I gave to Chōmei.
    • Matatabi would be given Explosion... for now. Ideally, it would be given Scorch, due to its being a bakeneko and its relation to ghostly fire. (I actually want to give it Dark Release due to using ghostly blue flames, but I must hold off unless Dark is shown to be canon.)
    • Saiken... since Earth+Lightning failed to be Magnet, it might be something that has a connection to alkaline substances (since they're earthen and can explode), but this is a weak theory. If Earth enhances Lightning, it might form a different kind of force that can turn earth into a soapy or alkaline substance. If I recall correctly, my theory on Soap Bubble Ninjutsu was that it combined Saiken's natural alkali and Utakata's Water nature. It's possible now that the natural alkali is this unexpected combination. Then, just like how Deidara combines Explosion (Fire+Lightning?) and Earth to make Exploding Clay, Utakata would combine "Alkali" (Earth+Lightning?) and Water to make his special soap bubbles.
  • Anyway, that was just me rambling, since I haven't thought too deeply about it, so don't trust that it's my final thoughts on everything. Again, I don't quite strongly believe in it. As for the pattern theory, it's still alive for me; I'll just need to update it when I actually have time.

If you would like to know what I want from Naruto now, I simply want closure regarding this elemental matter, because it's a big part of why I got into Naruto in the first place. I was curious about how Kishimoto saw these elements, and I just need that to be wrapped up.

  • 1. I would like Crystal, Dark, Steel and Swift to be introduced as official in some side material for consistency. For me, Crystal would be a kekkei tōta (No one knew about it, so kekkei genkai seems unlikely, and kekkei tōta are considered to be much rarer, which fits Guren's condition for me). Dark, Steel and Swift were mentioned to be kekkei genkai, but Kishimoto might change his mind. I feel like Dark's ability to absorb other natures might place it apart, although I wanted it to be a combination involving Fire (Fire+Wind, long time ago). I would like Steel to be an enhanced Earth (black earth, just like black fire and lightning) instead of a kekkei genkai, but it could be Earth+Lightning (Pattern theory survives only if Steel changes Earth into Steel and does not produce any Steel on its own). Since 迅雷 (jinrai) means "thunder", I would like Swift (迅) to be Wind+Lightning (which I gave a placeholder name "Thunderclap") if it used super-vibrating slashes or sonic waves instead of just speeding the user up.
  • 2. If the above does not happen, have the movie villain or other characters use a single technique for each of the remaining natures. Kishimoto is much more involved in this upcoming movie, so he should have the ability to have characters use two simple techniques. Even if it's used by random unnamed ninja fighting in an opening scene, we would know that these new natures were approved by Kishimoto. I certainly don't count on it, but if he does, we can simply take those two and Explosion and fit them to Earth+Lightning, Wind+Lightning, and Fire+Lightning.

That was a bit long, but since I've been away for a while, I might as well tell someone my thoughts.

I spend most of my free time with my friends if possible, and since I spend a most of my time studying, almost all remaining time goes to connecting with people. I'm not a sports or gaming guy. I enjoy most kinds of movies, especially sci-fis and thrillers. My translating work is also non-paid and is more of a hobby to keep practicing my Korean (chatting in Korean is no problem, but more difficult words require constant use). Be assured, I am obviously nowhere close to superhuman, and certainly not above anyone else. Why don't you tell me a little about yourself next time? I might not be back for a while, though, haha. --GoDai (talk) 12:55, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

ORAS Edit

The protomorphosis happens if Groudon/Kyogre absorbs large amounts of natural energy. Senjutsu confirmed in Pokémon! :D • Seelentau 愛 15:46, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

chat Edit

Been a while, can you come on chat? :D --Sajuuk [Mod] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 11:59, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

^ If you can. --Sajuuk [Mod] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 23:06, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
^ If possible dude. --Sajuuk [Mod] Talk Page | Contribs | Channel 17:19, January 7, 2015 (UTC)
^ And again. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 22:51, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
It was about something else actually... --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 22:54, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
Whatever, it's not really all that important. Not really sure where all the "anti-chat" is coming from, but it's interesting to see... --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 23:05, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
Able to join chat? --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 21:22, February 2, 2015 (UTC)
^ --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 13:31, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
Alright. :) --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 13:56, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Ootsutsuki Edit

Na, they're an alien life form. • Seelentau 愛 13:21, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Re: prejudice Edit

Just was wondering based on your comments. For the record I'm Catholic, but I'm not going to interfere with you; Sajuuk already removed my question.Gemnist (talk) 00:40, December 26, 2014 (UTC)Gemnist

Re: Oro Edit

Sorry for replying so late. I must have skimmed over your comment. The databook neither says Oro can, nor cannot, specifically. It only mentions White Zetsu as a user. However, by doing a little bit of digging into the Living Corpse Reincarnation, and it doesn't mention anything about Orochimaru modifying his body to make it look like the original. The possessed body takes on his form automatically. This was shown with Genryuumaru, Oro's host prior to his attempt on Sasuke. The manual modifying, thought to be done by Orochimaru, and possibly his Vanishing Facial Copy Technique, is technically speculation.--KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 05:35, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Elveo, I've corrected my mistake. I paid a little too much attention to how Oro looked like a Zetsu version of himself immediately after possessing the body of a parasite clone. In that, I was probably acting in bias. That's my fault. Thank you for correcting me.--KotoTalk Page-My Contributions 19:00, January 2, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Yo Edit

Sorry for my late reply, for this week. Yeah, Naruto and Pokemon anime resumes to be aired. And you're welcome, I personally liked the idea of today's episode :) —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 12:30, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Re: old hamura Edit

In the movie? His screenshots aren't out yet. Though I have his Retsu no Sho pic (he's aged a lot)!--Hisana456 (talk) 13:49, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Here: http://imgur.com/Nr6zGBF --Hisana456 (talk) 13:56, January 10, 2015 (UTC)
Exactly! He was supposed to be the 'hot' one.. but yeah, he's Hago's twin afterall.--Hisana456 (talk) 14:05, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Jin no Sho English Edit

You do realize I live in Germany? :D I have no idea about English release dates, sorry. • Seelentau 愛 18:38, January 19, 2015 (UTC)

Classifications Edit

Those nature releases that I just reverted edits on come from non-canonical sources so cannot be classified as being a "Kekkei Genkai". Those edits are actually speculation added by the user, unless you can link me to any valid source that claims them as being such. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:35, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

It's likely a mistake in the articles as, unless a databook or character physically stated that they're a kekkei genkai (which nobody said for the Crystal Release), it's technically speculative in nature and should be removed. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

Re: I suppose Edit

Nope, nothing. • Seelentau 愛 21:11, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Nope. The special chapter isn't included, not sure about the interview. • Seelentau 愛 21:36, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
It totally is, I use it for almost all translations. I only use the physical copy when something's blurry or too small. • Seelentau 愛 22:08, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

re: jin no sho Edit

Are you talking about the English one (if there is one, link please) or the japanese one?
-- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 21:45, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

Here. How did you know I had it though? -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 22:16, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
K then. Congrats on the 14000 edits, btw. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 22:44, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

re: tailed beast genders Edit

Where did the databooks say they have genders? Is the answer to that question.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 23:33, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Kaguya advanced natures Edit

As I said seconds ago, she doesn't have the Kekkei Genkai thingy in her profile, even though she uses the Byakugan. This either means that her Byakugan is no Kekkei Genkai, or it means that they forgot to add it. But even if they forgot to add it, it doesn't mean that she has more than Byakugan as a Kekkei Genkai. Furthermore, we don't even know if Storm Release came from the tailed beasts. Madara simply had it, without any further explanation or anything. Then, for the tailed beasts' kekkei genkai, I'm not sure. We need some definitive proof that someone who absorbs the tailed beasts like Madara and Obito did, gains their abilities as well.
On another note, there's a digital version of the databook coming out, labeled as Version 2 on iTunes. So we might see some corrections, hopefully. • Seelentau 愛 00:36, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Why are you always ignoring the most crucial points? Kaguya isn't the origin of the tailed beast, the Ten-Tails is. Furthermore, the simple fact that Hagoromo split the chakra and changed the parts to something entirely new, changed everything. The beasts could've easily gained their Kekkei Genkai only at that point, because they didn't possess blood or anything before, being pure chakra and all (or even more, pure natural energy).
If Madara really gained the Storm Release through one of the tailed beasts, then why was no beast ever attributed with it? I know that the absence is no evidence, but it's something that needs to be taken into consideration. • Seelentau 愛 00:55, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but as I said, did everyone who absorbed the tailed beasts (Obito, Madara, Naruto) gain access to all their natures? If so, why didn't everyone use them? Obito didn't use one special nature, Madara used Storm Release which we can't safely attribute to a tailed beast, only Naruto gained access to their powers because the tailed beasts allowed him to. So if it's the case that the jinchuriki needs their beast's approval, then it might just simply be that Kaguya didn't get that approval. • Seelentau 愛 14:52, January 26, 2015 (UTC)
And again you ignore that the tailed beasts aren't her original chakra. • Seelentau 愛 16:53, January 26, 2015 (UTC)

Re: periods/timeskips question Edit

Not enitrely. The Last is part of Blank Period. • Seelentau 愛 15:36, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Why? We'd list it after The Last, under a different headline or so. I think we did that in Sasuke's article. • Seelentau 愛 15:45, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, yes. There will be some problems sooner or later, but I believe the best thing is to go by the databooks. • Seelentau 愛 15:48, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Jin no Sho version 2 Edit

I don't have a link or that artbook right now, I'll probably be able to answer tomorrow. • Seelentau 愛 22:46, February 3, 2015 (UTC)

-no illegal links-. I didn't find any correction so far. • Seelentau 愛 22:57, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
They did correct the mistake in Sasuke's profile, where it says "Kakashi attacks Naruto" instead of "Sasuke attacks Naruto". Other than that, nothing so far. Danzo still doesnt have Summoning or Yin Release, Madara isn't listed as an Izanagi user and is the only user of Kanseitai - Susanoo. Anything else? • Seelentau 愛 23:16, February 3, 2015 (UTC)
In Minato's profile, it is said that he saved Kushina from Kirigakure. This was corrected to Kumogakure. • Seelentau 愛 02:47, February 4, 2015 (UTC)
In Chojuro's profile, it is said that he comes from Kumogakure. This was corrected to Kirigakure. • Seelentau 愛 15:41, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

You mean, like scans? None that I know of. But there's not much new stuff from what I know. • Seelentau 愛 13:47, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

There's nothing about Kaguya, or at least it hasn't been posted yet. • Seelentau 愛 13:52, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I only translated some of it. • Seelentau 愛 23:24, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

I can only tell you what I told those guys at NF: Gratitude doesn't help me pay my internet connection. Also, I have other hobbies, so yeah. • Seelentau 愛 23:45, February 5, 2015 (UTC)
I thought about it, but I have no idea how much money would be a good price for how much work. I also don't like to make a hobby my job, because whenever I absolutely have to do it, I tend not to do it at all. And no, never. Although I might be working soon, so I'll probably have to reduce playing it. • Seelentau 愛 23:56, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Hey, you Edit

Yeah, it has been awhile hasn't it? You always know where I am, man. Kirin's got a alternate origin story for Kaguya and the Otsutsuki Clan going right now, but it isn't really picking up any speed. He and I are just have discussions back and forth on different topics. You are more than welcome to just stop by some time and hit me up on my wall. Let me know if there is anything you want to talk about. Omega64 狐 (talk) 21:14, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

I agree, fanon really isn't my cup of tea either. He's trying to really push a comment on it, but I just can't get into Kaguya's character at all. I'd rather create a different scenario without her completely. We can talk about Hashirama's cells and Izanagi if you want, just come on over. Omega64 狐 (talk) 21:51, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Pardon my nosiness, but I saw Omega on Narutopedia, and so I just got very curious (you know how he isn't much of a fan of this wiki over Naruto Answers). Concerning my Kaguya story, it's not so much fanon as opposed to an actual theory of Kaguya's back story. After all, I didn't really change anything and I even said the entire purpose of the story was to provide an explanation about elements in the series that weren't further expanded upon. The only real fanon part would be the addition of an original character that I created, but even then, he could easily be cut out. I just included him because he added a bit more to Kaguya's character and I was having fun writing the story, so I figured why not. Honestly, the story I wrote has more canon elements than it does fanon elements. It really is an explanation to the history of the shinobi world that Kishimoto didn't write. Just wanted to point that out since I saw my name be brought up.--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 03:04, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

If you don't mind me asking, what elements are those? If it's the fact that the Otsutsuki doesn't come from an alternate dimension, I believe I explained that I did that because it was never explicitly stated in the manga, only in the databook. So until it is either in the manga or the databook is translated to where I can read it for myself, I decided not to include that fact for multiple reasons (which I do believe I explained). Was there anything else that contradicts the manga canon?--KirinNOTKarin98 (talk) 16:30, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Tailed Beast KKG and Jinchuuriki Edit

I believe they're listed as Kekkei Genkai user because they can access the kekkei genkai of their tailed beasts. I'm not 100% convinced that Roshi has Lava Release as his own kekkei genkai, but I think he could access Yonbi's kekkei genkai as well. Naruto is friends with all tailed beasts anyway, so he can use their chakra as he wants, they wouldnt refuse it. Gaara, on the other hand, could not use Shukaku's chakra, because it hated him. Or so I think. But as I said in the thread, there's no definitie and clear answer to all of this, so a discussion is more or less pointless. • Seelentau 愛 22:39, February 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the wording does that. Or maybe he had the kekkei genkai and Yonbi helped him awaken it or whatever. • Seelentau 愛 22:46, February 4, 2015 (UTC)


Naruto's Yin Edit

Do you know how Naruto has Yin release? because according to DB icons he doesn't have it see Naruto and also Sasuke doesn't have Yang release. One assumption is that Rinnegan and Truth Seeking Ball grants all release so is it true? I know the Truth Seeking ball are at least 4 nature elemental release, so is it really possible that Truth-Seeking Ball granted him Yin release. My guess is that he lacks one and according to FF-Suzaku the databook says Hagoromo grants Yin-Yang release, so couldn't it be possible that the ability Hagoromo gave them is to use this technique simultaneously i.e. Naruto's Yang Release and Sasuke's Yin release make Six Paths Chibaku Tensei a Yin-Yang Release. One explanation I got for Naruto's YYR is that his healing ability is one and he created the eye from nothing (yin) and he used Yang release to connect nerves, but it is also possible that the whole eye can be created from Kakashi's body cells (Naruto said he made the eyes from Kakashi's body in manga). Please take a look on my talkpage WindStar and I already had a discussion about this, what is correct?--Naruto uzu6254 (talk) 18:27, February 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re: volume 72 tankobon Edit

check raw-hunters.com • Seelentau 愛 20:56, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, why didn't you say so? :D I don't know about volume, 71, but the changes in 72 are this and this, as well as this. • Seelentau 愛 21:27, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean, but I do have volume 71 here. What page/panel should I screenshot for you? • Seelentau 愛 21:33, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
So chapter 686 it is. [1]. • Seelentau 愛 21:54, February 6, 2015 (UTC)
How so? • Seelentau 愛 21:59, February 6, 2015 (UTC)

re: tsb Edit

Talk it to the talkpage and hope we get some info from our translators? Because I'm just as confused about it as you are. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 09:37, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

/shrug. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 09:46, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
Can't see the image, whatever you're trying to show me. What chapter was it in?
EDIT: Never mind, saw it. Still counted nine. Take a look at this. I think it's best to say there is no set number; it varies for users. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 10:17, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
It is weird. Hell, I remember a user claiming someone had 11 TSB. Kishi decided not to be consistent with the number. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 10:36, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe Obito, Madara and Hagoromo had ten because they were all the Ten-Tails' jinchūriki and Naruto had nine because he had the nine tailed beasts' chakra w/o the Gedo Mazo? Either way, the TSBs are screwy. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 10:47, February 7, 2015 (UTC)
Kinda. But Kaguya only had one huge TSB, rather than ten. Maybe it fits her "all chakra should be one and belongs to me" mantra. -- WindStar7125 (talk | contribs) 10:54, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: your behavior Edit

Na, I don't use drugs. I'm just a person who wears his heart on his sleeve. • Seelentau 愛 13:25, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

It's not the first time people get insulted here. And no one has a single face. • Seelentau 愛 15:58, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Sure I would love to talk Edit

I'm quite new to this website so excuse me if I'm a little slow. If there is an instant messanger or something, or maybe gmail? I'm available nowGodlyHades (talk) 19:10, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Alright Edit

Thank you for taking your time to reply to my thread/topic/discussion.

See you when it is posted then GodlyHades (talk) 19:58, February 11, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Poke ShowdownEdit

There are, in the team-builder. Are you playing randoms?--Omojuze (talk) 22:26, February 13, 2015 (UTC)

Tobirama's death Edit

Where was it said that he died in the first great war? • Seelentau 愛 17:15, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Where was it said that Hiruzen became Hokage in the first great war, then? I'm looking for the reason as to why we assumed that Tobirama died in that war. Was it because the Sannin were older in the second war? • Seelentau 愛 18:20, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but that mustn't mean that Tobirama died in the first war, hm? I mean, as long as it wasn't said that he died in one of the great wars or that Hiruzen became Hokage in one of them, that couldve all happened outside of a war, right? • Seelentau 愛 18:28, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
They weren't surrounded, they were just hunted by 20 enemies. :O I have no idea if and where the time of Tobirama's death and/or Hiruzen's Hokage-ing was mentioned. • Seelentau 愛 18:45, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Re: can it be deduced that Edit

I actually never thought about that before, lol. But na, it's a nice idea, but nothing really indicates that. • Seelentau 愛 19:58, February 16, 2015 (UTC)

Source Editor Edit

To prevent edits like this from occuring (because they've happened to me before as well as other users), I suggest going to your preferences and setting Preferred editor: to Source editor, only if you haven't done so already. WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125&#039;s Task 20:53, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Really? Eh, well, the wiki has its screwy moments, I guess... WS7125[Mod]WindStar7125 TaskWindStar7125&#039;s Task 21:14, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re: WoW Edit

Late response but my real life has gotten exceptionally #(#*y as of late.

Anyway, I have quit several times actually. About a month into Cata and MoP at release. Both was because of school however and not really the overall status of the game. Once I graduated I simply didn't go back (not much of a point and I was already playing XIV at the time, until WoD release where I hit a burnout about 2 or 3 weeks ago where I have once again started focusing mainly on XIV. If this holds I'll end up in Azeroth for a few months before taking a mini-vacation in Eorzea. But yes I do actually enjoy WoD, I'm in love with my Garrison and I like actually going out into the world because now I am actually doing stuff instead of just flying over it.

But if I had to rank them,

  1. WotLK: First expac where I actually got to be a hardcore raider, until school kicked me in the teeth. But before that, we did goods.
  2. TBC: This is basically where I started as far as I am concerned. Made my main, picked my favorite spec (lolret) and yeah.
  3. Cata/MoP: They are basically the same for me as I barely played both of them when they were relevant. But I would give a slight nudge to Cata because of the 1-60 revamp...even though heirlooms basically murder any real point of seeing any of it.
  4. Vanilla: Start point. Got to Southshore before Blizz decided to have the Horde blow it up before quitting. This is why I said TBC was where I started, the first toon I made I still have but he is in no way my main.

You'll notice WoD isn't up there because yeah, not done yet. Though I am quite enjoying to storylines of it though. Except for Spires. Eff those birds.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 01:25, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Oh they definitely killed professions, but at least to me they were slowly killing themselves for years. If you were a raider you had to have very specific professions to maximize your personal contribution to the raid, for example before they gave Holy Paladins a damned mana regain, we were chugging mana pots during raids, so you had to be able to make your own potions. I like the idea that professions aren't mandatory, but I do agree they could have gone in a far less, murder solution like they did with garrisons.

As for daily quest hubs I both agree and disagree. On the one hand, I do like the (very) old school method of grinding mobs to get exalted, that makes reaching exalted far more "worth it" when you know not everybody is going to have the stones to actually grind to exalted for almost no real reward (tabards, a mount, a pet, nothing that will actually help you). On the other hand, no daily hubs mean my main method of making gold is gone and as such I've literally been floundering for gold. Not to mention they did give me something to do. I understand the why there are no hubs; MoP pissed a lot of people off and poisoned the water on dailies. But again it's another reasoning of the how that was off.

And as a proud member of the Alliance, I laugh at what they did to Doomhammer. Muhahahaha. But seriously though as far as I could gather, everyone has been saying the Horde side of the story has been seriously lacking, while we on the Alliance got ourselves the best new character of the expac.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 11:38, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Considering draenei in general has done all of nothing since 2.0 (yes the beginning of Burning Crusade. No Velen ain't do *@#$ in the Sunwell) yes. Yrel is the best new character in WoD.
Removing reforging was dumb. I was glad they removed hit, expertise, ect. Once you capped those, you never did anything with them, hell you barely did anything with them while you were trying to cap them. Getting rid of the unnecessary stats was smart. What wasn't smart was adding versatility (which is basically useless) and then not giving us Reforging. That was dumb. That was real dumb. And don't get me wrong, as I said I love daily hubs. That was my main source of income and without the Argent Tournament I would have never been able to afford getting my Netherwing Drake. But yeah, the beginning of MoP poisoned daily hubs and Blizzard does what Blizzard does and throws everything out when people complain.
Which is honestly their weakest point. Crap goes down and they freak, so they toss everything out without just kinda fixing it to make it better. People hated that they all there was to do outside of raiding was the dozens of dailies across Pandaria, so they all but got rid of dailies in Draenor when they could have just put a single dailies quest hub in Draenor and called it a day.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:29, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
Oh no it was completely asinine to kill off AU-Velen when our Velen is still on Azeroth doing all of jack and #($*. That being said, AU-Velen nuking himself to purify a naaru was a pretty badass way to go out. So yes, hella stupid to kill AU-Velen off, but they did a very good job of doing it, at least in my opinion. As for why Yrel is awesome, it's mainly due to how Alliance heroes are typically presented in WoW. Most of them either don't do anything ever or is named Varian Wyrnn. Having Yrel go from Velen's apprentice to Exarch and basically leading the Alliance forces with your character was great, and again this is coming from a person who's heroes have either done nothing or was named Varian.
And as dirty as it is to agree with the dreaded Feminists, but yes they were right about this one. I don't know about Velen's niece but being Maraad's love interest would have just made her the draenei Tyrande where her true drive against the Iron Horde would be Blackhand nuking her lover. Which...would not be good because that's what the exact opposite of what we have been complaining about when it comes to our heroes.
Now i have no idea whats up with the "Fat Alliance Neckbeard" thing or Gorgrond's lore for that matter. But yeah we didn't need yet another Horde focused expansion, not after TBC and MOP. (For the record, WotLK actually did well balancing both sides out, and Cata was all over the place. TBC basically became the Blood Elf Redemption Arc with their incorporation into the Horde while the draenei were you know just kinda there, and MoP was super super Horde focused to the point where the Barren's patch had a long detailed quest about the Darkspear Rebellion and the Alliance had mechanical cats.)

I could go on with this for hours. :D --TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 15:56, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Standard consensus is that it's the mark that means that when this is all over, she will be the full on leader of the draenei. What that mark actually means is anyone's guess, but another common consensus is that it's the mark that shows that Velen is a prophet. Perhaps this means Yrel will be a prophet. Who knows.
Slight correction, actually big correction. Tirion Fordring was kicked out of the Alliance before the start of Vanilla because he didn't kill the orc Eitrigg due to both of them being honor brothers. Fordring has not been a part of the Alliance since. Thrall was all over Cata and MoP (but especially Cata, Vol'jin took over in MoP) and yes Anduin appeared more than Varian but he did comparatively little that mattered to the Alliance as a whole (A lot of what he did was very Pandaria and Garrosh being a dick focused. See his time with Wrathian and the Timeless Isle). But in terms of the Alliance doing Alliance things for the Alliance. It's been Varian, guest staring the other leaders only to highlight Varian. For example Tyrande about to go hog monkey on a temple with Varian telling her it was a bad idea.
Anywho, love and revenge is still present, just not because Yrel was Maraad arm candy. Her sister's blood was used to summon the Dark Star in Shadowmoon Valley and that was pretty much the driving force for her. As for Maraad, at least for me I'm pretty sure he comes back as a spirit in the mission where Yrel becomes an Exarch but what he does or says I cannot recall. Either way, Blizzard has a terrible track record with female heroes when they have significant other, and Yrel would have been no different. So I'm glad that was scrapped in favor of the (while still generic) "you killed my sister" motivation they got going for her.
And yes Tyrande. Yes she did great during Warcraft III. Once WoW actually started, she did all of jack and #($* until MoP made her a badass again. The downside they also made her stupid, as in the aforementioned Temple Assault where her plan while it would have worked would have destroyed the Temple and gotten most of her people killed, while Varian's plan of "flush the idiots out" had minimal casualties on their side while the Horde was annihilated and the temple was completely fine.
Back onto Gorgrond, are you sure? Because I literally cannot find anything about this. Got a link or something?
MoP was really Horde focused in that almost everything was Garrosh driven. He was the one violently invading Pandaria. He was the one who orchestrated the Divine Bell plot which resulted in the Purge of Dalaran. The assault on the Barrens as I've said was heavily Horde focused with a awesome questline of Chen Stormstout reuniting with his old buddies Thrall and Vol'jin, and the Alliance equivalent was mechanical cats and a short chat with Vol'jin. During the aforementioned Divine Bell plotline, we got to see the blood elves actually take stuff into their own hands and Lothemar actually becoming a character, while we get to see Jaina go right back to "Horde are evil, kill them all!" and just stay there. Looking from the outside in, everything was very Horde driven, and even the final assault on Orgrimmar which people like to cite as "See Alliance you get to destroy our capital city!" fail to notice that Orgrimmar is still there, the Alliance went in making sure they didn't destroy the city and only went after Garrosh's forces and not the rest of the Horde. It was an Alliance victory sure, but it was done in a way that the Horde was to also come out on top, or at least as far as they could be with their entire infrastructure collapsing.
And yes, the Alliance did win the war. But it didn't feel like the Alliance won the war. It felt more like the Horde killed itself (which it did) and the Alliance happened to be there, breathing.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 18:46, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

Light that was a long response. Like I said I could do this for hours. :D--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 18:47, February 23, 2015 (UTC)

I am hoping they keep her around cause Titans know we need draenei to actually do something, but yeah she may very well become completely irrelevant next expansion but she'll be awesome while we have her and if she leaves on a high note then fantastic, she doesn't go down like Jaina does.

And incorrect again, the Argent Crusade is very much pro-everyone and anti-Scourge. They do allow Forsaken into their ranks after all, should they wish to join. Most however are just very very pro-Sylvanas (note: I did not say pro-Horde.) and thus not willing to join anything that isn't Sylvanas. As for Thrall, oh he doesn't have blind hatred for humans oh no, but make no mistake, Thrall is Horde, he never left the Horde itself when he left the position of Warchief when he had to be Shaman Thrall, then came back when he had to kill Garrosh and he swore to follow Vol'jin when the rest of the Horde leaders declared him their new leader. Tirion on the other hand was kicked out of the Alliance, like full turkey kicked out and has never once considered rejoining it, instead doing the Argent Crusade thing to purify Lordaeron (and yet has made no moves or claims to the Capital City, probably because he knows that until Sylvanas is put down, it is Horde territory).

That trivia note says that this was changed before Alpha, which means before the Alliance people came in and complained. So if Blizz scraped it, they scrapped it because they wanted to. Similar to a Worgen questline in Shadowmoon because they are also a race that has done all of jack and $($^ since they arrived.
As for what comes after,
  1. The Dark Below is a popular opinion. The home of the naga, heavy on the Burning Legion, things like that.
  2. If not a Dark Below expansion, then a Burning Legion expansion. Provided we kill Gul'dan or no, there is clearly a Legion presence on Draenor that wasn't there during the original Rise of the Horde. Perhaps AU Kil'jaeden and MU Kil'jaeden get together and decide to murder Azeroth because they can?
  3. If I was in Blizzard's seat, I'd do a lot. Mind you a lot of what I'd do would be crazy.
  1. Personally I'd remove flying, or at least the amount of flying we have now. I get that people only like seeing the world during the leveling process, but then right after they just sit on their asses in their capital cities and then complain that there is nothing to do in the world, but then quickly complain when there is stuff to do in the world because it's boring as all they had to do was fly in get the thing and fly back to the quest giver.
  2. Reestablish Stormwind and Orgrimmar as the major faction hubs. Obvious reasons.
  3. Legion focused expansion with active Burning Legion invasions. If the player base grows complacent they will pay for it. A Legion strong hold appears somewhere and it must be combated or a certain number of demons must be defeated across the whole of Azeroth or else a settlement gets destroyed or taken over until a whole new set of requirements are met. If the players decide they are just gonna hide in Shattrath for whatever reason, when they come back Stormwind and Orgrimmar will be burning in felfire with Varian and Vol'jin relocated someplace else.
  4. Not sure what I'd do with professions. I'd rather them not be mandatory but at the same time not completely useless.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 21:52, February 23, 2015 (UTC)
  1. I know, that's why I would like flying to removed from the old world again. Once we leave Draenor and is back on Azeroth I would like those cities to be the focus point again, and us grounded so that the world can feel like a world again, instead of a giant lobby.
  2. Well aware.
  3. To be fair, there is no way they could actually fix all of that. They'd have to completely 100% redo every zone every expansion. I don't think that has anything to do with story but has everything to do with how impossible that actually is.
  4. Yeah that ain't happening. They already said nothing will happen to our timeline and that basically everything we do here will help a future AU Azeroth, but MU Azeroth will still be a #($*hole.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:00, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
Oh the races I agree and disagree. I had a lot more to say but work got in the way and had to cut it short. >_>
  1. I only put the main cities because it required less typing. But yes I would love to see all the cities sacked.
  2. It is a problem, but I believe it is one that can be handled if they focused on one conflict at a time. Cata came in with two conflicts, Garrosh's war of aggression and the Hour of Twilight, that's why there is so much of an orc burnout because the Garrosh storyline bled across two expansions. Had the Alliance-Horde War been the focus of only Pandaria it would have been swell. But yes, Warcraft 4 would solve most of this but that could have the after effect of dramatically altering how WoW would have to work, unless they split them off into two different universes which I wouldn't really want. So their alternative method has been books...with varying degrees of success.
  3. Way to difficult to manage because it would practically require that you only level up in sequence to the story. And yes fixing TBC zones and WotLK zones would be great but again, that would be time taken away from adding something new, which was a big big problem with Cataclysm.
  4. The point, as far as I can gather, is that the Vanguard (the assault force that went through the Dark Portal) is made up of people who are not complete assholes. Besides the fact that if we don't stop the Iron Horde they can just keep coming back to our Azeroth, nobody wants to just doom another Azeroth or any other worlds to the Iron Horde simply because "it isn't our porblem". This is the reason the Alliance Expedition set out to destroy Ner'zhul's portals instead of just leaving when they had the chance; they couldn't damn other worlds simply because theirs was safe. Burden of being heroes I guess.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 12:40, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
Ah yes that thing. My cousin told me about it or at least a similar one years back. I never got into it (lazy) but I can defiantly see the appeal.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 13:59, February 24, 2015 (UTC)
  1. Oh while I agree there are a lot of servers, a game like WoW kinda needs them. While I personally would love if the game only had one server and everybody was on it, realistically that would not be a smart choice because Light that would just make everything busy.
  2. Garrosh was very inconsistent. He appeared as a whiny child (despite being at least a decade older than Thrall) and come Cataclysm he was very warmongering, but he wasn't completely evil (at least you can see from the Horde side. Alliance side we only saw warmongering). But it should be noted that Horde players hated him just as much as Alliance members, and it's because of that the decided to go ahead and make him piss on kittens evil in MoP.
  3. It is still better to focus on actual new content then updating old primarily because hells they are pratically running out of stuff. They've settled just about everything from Warcraft III and the Frozen Throne. We're reliving Warcraft I and II with WoD. If they don't tell new stories they can't progress at all.
  4. And like I said, the threat is "They could hurt other people". Gul'dan is not the only one who knows how to build portals, hell Gul'dan didn't even make the current Dark Portal the Iron Horde used him as a battery. Like I said we're there for two reasons: Keep our Azeroth safe and keep everyone else safe. Neither the Horde and the Alliance are gonna up and abandon the free orcs and the draenei to whatever fate comes to them just because our Azeroth is safe.--TheUltimate3 Eye of Rikudō (talk) 15:06, February 24, 2015 (UTC)

Re: episode review Edit

Sorry for the late response... You're right, the lung expansion thing is kinda non-creative for me as well, it could have been better than copying Lee with everything on it. I personally don't like Shira's abilities so much because it makes Lee/Guy non unique. For the next battle, alright. It seems that Team 8 will suffer more for battling that Kusa team and I wonder how they will deal with it. More sweating and stuff. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 09:01, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Totally agree with you, let's see how they handle those stuffs. I bet that Team Asuma will face that Ame team for the same stage in the next episodes, perhaps we'll see Pain or Konan. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 18:14, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Part 3 Orochimaru Edit

http://www.marineford.com/Thread-Anime-News-Interview-Reveals-Orochimaru-Kabuto-To-Return-In-Naruto-Part-3

http://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/2pg3pk/spoilers_idea_for_part_3_and_orochimarus_return/

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/3466021866

Doesn't seem trustworthy to me. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 11:59, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

I like to think that if it isn't posted on NarutoForums from someone trustworthy, or if it isn't on saiyanisland then it must be fake. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 13:17, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Re-Open Thread Edit

I would like to contribute to this thread: Thread:141848. Is it possible for you to re-open it? ShinyMagikarp (talk) 10:08, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

No, Elveonora cannot reopen that thread as it was automatically closed by a script. We have a rule against bumping dead threads anyway: if you really want to contribute further, make a new thread that references that one. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
Oops. I didn't realize that was the definition of a "sysops" when reading Rule 4 of the forums: If a sysop closes a thread on the forums, do not go around the wiki complaining that the topic was locked, either via making a thread of complaint or spamming sysops via their talkpages.
I apologize. I didn't know that an automatically archived thread was considered locked by an administrator.
ShinyMagikarp (talk) 10:32, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
No, that rule applies to when a forum moderator or forum operator manually closes a thread, not when the script closes it.
And Elveonora is a forum mod, not a sysop. I'm a forum op myself, not a sysop. That rule needs to be clarified. --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 10:37, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

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re: meme Edit

Eh, that's cool. Though it did say "Just as planned," correct? WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:29, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and good work with the Naruto meme thing. It'd be nice to have some fun around here. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:42, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Chat?Edit

You VS Me. 1 V 1. Foxy Boxing. Rules - there are no rules. Be there or be square..--Omojuze (talk) 19:36, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

I shouldn't really interrupt this, but I think Omojuze is suggesting you join the chat... --Sajuuk [Mod] talk | contribs | Channel 20:34, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Good luck Edit

I'm not a forum operator any longer. I just removed the rights from myself. :) --Sajuuk 08:35, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

"Suggesting you like me a little bit <3 On topic:" Edit

I don't know whether to applaud this or be very afraid. xD jk ~ Ten Tailed Fox Rinnegan Sasuke 15:05, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

the red rinnegan like sharingan is called the rinne sharingan and Byakugan and her third eye is a kekkei moura.

Re: TSB Edit

Good thing I translated the article a couple days ago: http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=53954737&postcount=297Seelentau 愛 13:03, July 11, 2015 (UTC)

Woops. Sorry. Edit

I didn't mean to post that question as if it were a form. It was more or less a way of saying how similar the ability was to Kamui, though I used Kakashi as a way of pointing it out. 'Implanting the eyes into Kakashi' was a reference to how it is literally just Kamui with a big ball surrounding him.--User:ExyleCageExyleCageWasHere

Re: Prediction/Opinion Edit

I never wasted a thought on that, lol. They're obviously related to Kaguya. If the Rinnegan aren't artificial, they're also related to Hagoromo. Buuut knowing Kishimoto, he won't explain it at all. • Seelentau 愛 16:15, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Thread:178382 Edit

Any reason why no one stepped in to stop the thread from escalating? (If this keeps happening, I'm seriously going to have to step my sorry game up >_<) WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 06:38, July 18, 2015 (UTC)

Re: The Last DVD Edit

Yeah, a couple of days later it should be ready online with high quality and subtitles. Looking forward to it. —Shakhmoot Nadeshiko Village Symbol (Talk) 16:13, July 22, 2015 (UTC)

Re: The Last/Otsutsuki lore Edit

I have translated neither. You'd have to look through what has been translated by others. • Seelentau 愛 18:50, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

FF-Suzaku. WindStar7125 Divine Mangekyō Sharingan VolteMetalic 19:02, August 7, 2015 (UTC)

Re: "omg omg omg" Edit

Not gonna lie, I'm a bit torn. I drank the WoD Kool-aid and I don't plan to get burned twice. Everything in this expansion should have happened years ago, or at least before $(#*ing Draenor. That said, I really want the Ashbringer and I will most likely go back, just to hit level cap and quit again.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 13:12, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Also I really do like that they are making Marksman not use pets. Before I quit I started leveling a marksman hunter just because they had a skill that made them lose their pet but didn't ruin their dps.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 13:13, August 9, 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. And now within a years time, Legion will be released. But from a story perspective, I'm already skeptical. During this time the Alliance will most likely lose Dalaran again (which makes me sad), I'm pretty sure Tirion is dead (as we get the Ashbringer), I don't believe Thrall is dead (Enhancement Shamans get Doomhammer, but I truly doubt they'll ever hurt Thrall). Overall, the ideas behind the Order Halls seem promising, bringing back the much needed class identity. We'll see how they handle out of raid things because again, 2 years ago, they said great things for WoD and look at what we got.
As an aside, I wish they kept to their guns over Flying in the expansion and in the future.--TheUltimate3 Akimichi Symbol (talk) 13:34, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

re:thank you Edit

Your welcome, and may I ask where I was wrong at some points? I also saw that you removed my edit from Boruto's talkpage, and that's fine. --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 18:25, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't really mean to suggest that, what I was really suggesting was that life force is aligned with physical energy and that it is apart of chakra. I know that they aren't the exact same thing, or else everyone who has a lot of strong chakra, would have a powerful life force like the Uzumaki do, which isn't true. But as for what life force is, the English definition of life force is a force that gives something vitality or strength, or the energy that animates living creatures; the soul.

What else could life force be? We know that when someone's chakra is all gone they're dead, which would mean that their life force is all gone, since it's defined as the energy that keeps you alive. That's why Karin's heal bite can save people from the brink of death cause her chakra has great healing powers which was stated to stem from her life force. So her powerful life force influences her chakra. All we need now is for a databook or something to officially confirm this. --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 18:50, August 9, 2015 (UTC)

Well this next part is speculation, since I don't know for a fact, but I think life force makes up chakra just like physical energy and spiritual energy do. I know life force and physical energy aren't the same, I'm just saying that the life force has always been aligned with physical energy, so it's more closely related to it than it is to spiritual energy. --Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 (talk) 17:55, August 10, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Movie stuff Edit

That stuff was found on, I believe, the Japanese wikipedia or pixiv wiki. I'm pretty sure it came from the novel, which also apparently clarifies some of the Byakugan Princess stuff and has more story about Toneri's father. However, I haven't read it, so it should be corroborated first. FF-Suzaku (talk) 21:37, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

There's a bootleg copy of the book floating around out there. I think Seelentau has it. You also might be able to ask around on the Naruto reddit or Naruto Forums, I guess. OrganicDinosaur might be able to help. FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:57, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
https://www.reddit.com/user/OrganicDinosaur FF-Suzaku (talk) 09:11, August 19, 2015 (UTC)

Kishimoto's interview about Otsutsuki Edit

Hello. you mentionned here Thread:162137 that Kishimoto dicided to not explore details about Otsutsuki's clan. Could you share a link to the interview? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks a lot. --Sifadil (talk) 11:15, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Hello. It's me again. I managed to find it. It's the interview he did with Entermix magazine. Thanks for the previous reply.--Sifadil (talk) 01:28, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Re: device Edit

That wasn't anal, I just think we should be more strict with these things. Yes, he can use those natures. And the device is cheating because you can store many techniques in them and release them without wasting the chakra again. Means your enemy uses chakra while you don't. In an exam it's obviously cheating. It's like writing down the answers beforehand and handing them in instead of writing them down in the exam. • Seelentau 愛 12:25, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

That's not the same, lol. • Seelentau 愛 12:54, August 27, 2015 (UTC)
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