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  • Kawaki says that Jigens power is comparable to Naruto, but how could that be possible? Naruto and sasuke are both very OP characters after the war, they are the strongest ninja in history able to fight against gods-level characters like kaguya, 10 tails jinchuriki Madara, jinchuriki Obito, Momoshiki, and Toneri. Hashirama and Madara were the strongest before these two and their strength was considered unreal and something out of fantasy. Madara was able to EASILY beat 5 kage at the same time.

    And now Naruto and Sasuke are far stronger than either Madara or Hashirama. So how could so new person that no one has ever heard of even come close to being as strong as madara / hashirama let alone Naruto or Sasuke. All 4 of them gained their strength fighting against very strong people and through war. No one could get that strong and still remain unheard of.

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    • We don't know, because it's obviously intended as a mystery. However if Kara is related to the otsutsuki, then that undiluted power would make them that powerful. No need for training.

      Ryanq214 wrote: No one could get that strong and still remain unheard of.

      A number of people in Akatsuki were ridiculously strong (e.g. Nagato and Obito) and yet unheard of. Fame does not equal power. Power does not equal fame.

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    • How many freaking times do I have to say this? The forums are not for 'ask a random question' kind of thing. Aim this kind of topics here: http://naruto.answers.wikia.com/wiki/Naruto_Answers

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    • I just hope there is going to be a good explanation, like a very strong otsutsuki ability, otherwise all hope is gone.

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    • It can also be loads of training and special chakra/bloodline and talent. Guy was able to get as strong as Ten Tails Madara(even it was over a price) and Minato and Sarutobi were stronger than usually trained/kekkei Genkei Shinobi.

      So, from what I can say, even without a special gift like the one Naruto and Sasuke got, one can train themselves with the benefit of their own special bloodline to get stronger. Though this may not be the case.

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    • He said that Naruto might be stronger than Jigen, and regardless, Naruto wasn't even close to show his full power. He merely powered up the chakra cloak and Kawaki soiled himself. You know, Naruto still has a titanic Demon fox avatar that he can bring up any time he wants and a bunch of ridiculous techniques than can easily destroy and entire area.

      But i am 100% sure that Jigen will turn out to be more than just you regular ninja, as he already proved with just one move. So him being at that power level shouldn't be surprising at all. It should be expected and it would be illogical otherwise.

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    • to Thekillman -- Obito was unheard of because he didn't do anything great combat related after becoming "madara". Pain was know for taking over the rain village--you just had to ask around. But even these two are far below naruto in terms of power.

      To BlazeRelease--no one has reached naruto and sasuke's strength (I'll get to guy in a sec), the closes ones where Madara and Hashirama and they were considered legend and had strength out of fantasy. But naruto and sasuke are even far above them and reached basically god-level past what any ninja can reach natural or even with enhancements

      Guy used the 8 gates to temporarily become as strong or stronger than Madara. But that was obviously not his normal strength and came at the cost of his live if naruto hadn't saved him.


      To Vladosaurus--I hope you are right and kawaki just didn't know what he was talking about.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: He said that Naruto might be stronger than Jigen, and regardless, Naruto wasn't even close to show his full power.

      This. From the looks of it, the KCM Naruto demonstrated to Kawaki was only his KCM1 Cloak, which is rather inferior to the KCM2 Cloak.

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    • Barrygold wrote:

      Vladosaurus wrote: He said that Naruto might be stronger than Jigen, and regardless, Naruto wasn't even close to show his full power.

      This. From the looks of it, the KCM Naruto demonstrated to Kawaki was only his KCM1 Cloak, which is rather inferior to the KCM2 Cloak.

      I think the KCM 1 and 2 thing went out the window a while ago. I think the forms are

      KCM BSM RSM and that’s it

      And naruto had the Cross shape in his eyes without the pigment around it so it was RSM
      
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    • I agree, but I would like to see the seeking balls again

      LaughingLyon wrote: I think the KCM 1 and 2 thing went out the window a while ago.

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    • Ryanq214 wrote: to Thekillman -- Obito was unheard of because he didn't do anything great combat related after becoming "madara". Pain was know for taking over the rain village--you just had to ask around. But even these two are far below naruto in terms of power.

      Pain was completely unknown. Nobody knew who he was or how strong he really was. Obito was arguably the strongest ninja in the world, and completely unknown. Which only proves my point. Even Bee was a relatively unknown ninja despite being hugely powerful. Power and fame are not related. Just ask Hamura.

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    • RSM and SM alone are contained powers.While incredible strong power-ups they don't exhale the same obvious, right-in-your-face power that Kurama's chakra brings.RSM is stronger than KCM, but KCM is a more obvious power, while RSM (and SM) is a more low-key power at first sight.

      Also, not that i want to drift away from the subject, but on a side note, Guy wasn't as strong as Madara.

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    • LaughingLyon wrote: I think the KCM 1 and 2 thing went out the window a while ago. I think the forms are [...]

      Yeah, that makes sense. It seems like Naruto doesn't even have access to the former two separately from the last any more to be honest. Regardless, Naruto didn't really exert any actual power apart from entering the mode.

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    • I assume he's conducted experiments on himself to make him a human shinobi device, but that's my headcanon, maybe he's found another path to achieve Rikudou Sennin's power, the possibilities are near endless.

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    • Otsutsuki power.

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    • Barrygold wrote: Yeah, that makes sense. It seems like Naruto doesn't even have access to the former two separately from the last any more to be honest. Regardless, Naruto didn't really exert any actual power apart from entering the mode.

      Now that Kurama cooperates with Naruto, their chakra reserves are basically connected. Naruto can tap into that chakra anytime he wants. Even in base, he can use that chakra, making "base" a rather artificial distinction. He can tap into the chakra to make a cloak, which seems to use SPSM standard. He can enter Sage Mode separately.

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    • this is nice

      Stonecoldstunner wrote: maybe he's found another path to achieve Rikudou Sennin's power, the possibilities are near endless.

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    • The same way Goku has a new stronger enemy every arc to fight.

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    • What doesn't make sense is - Where the fuck was he during the war then? Just sittin at home praying that the world doesn't end? If his power is comparable to six path Naruto/Sasuke, why the fuck didn't he do anything when the world was on the brink of ending?

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    • Terryc250 wrote: What doesn't make sense is - Where the fuck was he during the war then?

      He probably gambled on the Alliance winning. Keep in mind that the whole "kabuto joins Obito" thing happened at the very start of the war and balanced it considerably in their favor. Madara being revived was another major threat that could not have been predicted. And finally, it's only thanks to those Edo Tensei that the Juubi was revived at all. And even then, Madara was revived thanks to Obito, something that wasn't predicted either. Meaning, most of the spots were more firepower was needed, were spots that couldn't have been predicted beforehand, thereby making any outside interference (e.g. from Kara) not a thing.

      Prior to the war, the fight was in favor of the Alliance. It only lasted 2 days, so if Jigen was busy with other things and wasn't an omniscient being predicting all the ways the fight would go sour, he might not have noticed there was a war at all.

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    • Or maybe Jigen wasn’t even “around” when the war happened. He doesn’t seem to be you typical human, and i also recall him talking about Momoshiki as he was well aware or Otsutsuki members : That damned Momoshiki...”. Still a bunch of question unanswered...

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    • Thekillman wrote: Pain was completely unknown. Nobody knew who he was or how strong he really was. Obito was arguably the strongest ninja in the world, and completely unknown. Which only proves my point. Even Bee was a relatively unknown ninja despite being hugely powerful. Power and fame are not related. Just ask Hamura.

      Pain was known if you asked around, as Jiraya learned about how he beat hanzo. But pain and the akatsuki in genral was a shadowy organizaition (similar to kara) so they were less well known but each member (aside from maybe zetsu) was known as a dangerous ninja. Also it should be noted that Pain's power came from the rinnegan, and that won't happen again as Sasuke's is the only one left in existence for ninja's.

      Obito wasn't known because he didn't have any real achievements in combat, as in he never beat any single powerful person. He worked from the shadows controlling the akatsuki to do his work. His power came from the OP abilities of a Mangekyo Sharingan.

      Though I would argue the strongest ninja in the world at the time of the start of the series was either Jiryaa or the raikage. Jiraya was stronger than pain, as pain said jirya would have won if he knew about the bodies of pain and fought them all from the start. The raikage could probably have beaten pain. And pain was definitely stronger than Obito.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Terryc250 wrote: What doesn't make sense is - Where the fuck was he during the war then?

      He probably gambled on the Alliance winning. Keep in mind that the whole "kabuto joins Obito" thing happened at the very start of the war and balanced it considerably in their favor. Madara being revived was another major threat that could not have been predicted. And finally, it's only thanks to those Edo Tensei that the Juubi was revived at all. And even then, Madara was revived thanks to Obito, something that wasn't predicted either. Meaning, most of the spots were more firepower was needed, were spots that couldn't have been predicted beforehand, thereby making any outside interference (e.g. from Kara) not a thing.

      Prior to the war, the fight was in favor of the Alliance. It only lasted 2 days, so if Jigen was busy with other things and wasn't an omniscient being predicting all the ways the fight would go sour, he might not have noticed there was a war at all.

      Why gamble? Six Path Naruto/Sasuke were super powerful, enough to defeat Juubi Madara. If there was a guy who could single handedly defeat standard Madara, and Hashirama (probably at the same time) lurking around, you would think he would've somehow been known even somewhat. You don't became a great powerful shinobi just sittin in your room. And if you're that powerful, people will know of you, even some. Pain was a mysterious figure, and even people knew of him. All the Akatsuki members were heard of. It just seems a bit silly to just randomly add in a guy and have him be as powerful as Naruto.

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    • It is also possible that Kawaki simply overestimates Jigen power. Remember, kids in Boruto series never experienced power of Hashirama or Madara. When Naruto entered his chakra mode, Kawaki was clearly shocked, meaning he has no idea about tailed beasts, jinchuurikis and all that. Also, I would remove Toneri from original post. As stated numerous times, he was a villain from damsel in distress trope where his role ended the moment he captured Hinata. It was irrelevant later how strong he is, which is why he went down after just one punch.

      Also - what Littlegen said. Simple adding new OP characters to keep series running.

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    • Kawaki was shocked, but that doesn't mean he didn't know about Tailed Beasts or Jinchuriki. I mean, everyone else knows of TB and Jinchuriki and they also know none of the past ones can even compare to Naruto. If anything, he was in shock of the form Naruto used and sheer chakra he displayed.

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    • sigh

      I think threads like this are silly for a couple reasons

      1) Jigen obviously has to pose a legit threat for him to be a capable antagonist in the series. This by definition requires him to be able to combat top ties like Naruto and Sasuke , otherwise what’s the point ?

      2) we have little to no info on Kara as a whole and even less on its members. Kara could be from a different dimension or another world because both DO exist in Naruto universe and it’s entirely possible.

      3) Kodachi and Kishimoto can write whatever they want, regardless of how it fits into the lore( remember the War arc ??) for example: remember The Last , where Toneri and the moon Otsutski just came out of nowhere? Remember the tenseigan that for whatever reason gave Toneri a chakra mode , TSO, moonsplitting attack potency and the ability to make a golem that could fight evenly with a full power Kurama??

      Seriously this has happened a bunch of times in the series don’t start hating now because you don’t like Boruto. It’s fine if you dislike the new series but don’t act like this came out of nowhere

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    • Princeharris1993 wrote: Kawaki was shocked, but that doesn't mean he didn't know about Tailed Beasts or Jinchuriki. I mean, everyone else knows of TB and Jinchuriki and they also know none of the past ones can even compare to Naruto. If anything, he was in shock of the form Naruto used and sheer chakra he displayed.

      Actually maybe not, I know the tailed beasts and jinchuriki are common knowledge or at least public knowledge. But most people probably don't know how strong a perfect jinchuriki is or even know about them--there has only been 2 "living" ones -naruto and B. Boruto didn't' have any idea what Naruto could do. Also Naruto is way above just being a perfect jinchuriki, he is past the level of strength you can get with that alone. He is entirely unique as a ninja--perfect jinchuriki of kurama, has chakra from the other tailed beasts, sage mode, six paths sage mode and chakra.

      To LaughingLyon

      LaughingLyon wrote: sigh

      I think threads like this are silly for a couple reasons

      1) Jigen obviously has to pose a legit threat for him to be a capable antagonist in the series. This by definition requires him to be able to combat top ties like Naruto and Sasuke , otherwise what’s the point ?

      2) we have little to no info on Kara as a whole and even less on its members. Kara could be from a different dimension or another world because both DO exist in Naruto universe and it’s entirely possible.

      3) Kodachi and Kishimoto can write whatever they want, regardless of how it fits into the lore( remember the War arc ??) for example: remember The Last , where Toneri and the moon Otsutski just came out of nowhere? Remember the tenseigan that for whatever reason gave Toneri a chakra mode , TSO, moonsplitting attack potency and the ability to make a golem that could fight evenly with a full power Kurama??

      Seriously this has happened a bunch of times in the series don’t start hating now because you don’t like Boruto. It’s fine if you dislike the new series but don’t act like this came out of nowhere

      1) He doesn't have to pose a threat to the entire world to be a dangerous person. If the akatsuki were around today naruto and sasuke could easily wipe them out in a straight fight, but that doesn't mean they wern't still a serious threat. Those two can't be everywhere.

      Zabuza was a serious threat in the first series for his arc, but there was people like jiraya and the 3rd hokage that could have easily beaten him. Naruto and sasuke don't, and won't, always be able to step in to stop every dangerous ninja. Of course they will step in if anything threatens the world, but that won't happen again unless another otsutsuki comes to this planet.

      2) We haven't actually seen anyone from another dimension, only people like sasuke and otsutsuki that can travel between dimensions. And the only other "people" from other worlds is the otsutsuki

      3) Toneri was a special case. First he was a direct descendant of Hamura as Hamura's children were basically inbreed with no one else on the moon to mate with--meaning a pure bloodline. Also Toneri made the Tenseigan from his chakra (descended from Hamura and otsutsuki) and a pure Byakugan.

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    • @ Ryan

      Toneri and his ilk were mentioned all of ZERO times in the manga and neither was the tenseigan. It’s a asspull and you know it

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    • LaughingLyon wrote: @ Ryan Toneri and his ilk were mentioned all of ZERO times in the manga and neither was the tenseigan. It’s a asspull and you know it

      The Last is the only cannon movie besides Boruto, it was made by the creator or naruto and is set between chapter 699 and 700--that is from the wiki by the way. Kishimoto didn't make a manga for it but he was the one to make the story, so while it doesn't have a manga to go with it it is cannon. It also shows what happened to Hamura where the people on Earth don't know about him--his bloodline is what makes the tenseigan.

      Kishimoto's work goes until the end of the brotuo movie, the only thing between that movie and the Last that was done by him is the arc with Shin Uchiha. His work covered all the way back to the creation of chakra on this planet and the original person it was all in--kaguay and the tree of life. Everything seen in the series as far as doujutsu was from that or a slightly different version of it (sasuke's rinnegan). The jougan is completely out of nowhere, with everything that makes up boruto having been present before--nothing new

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    • Zetandroid wrote:

      I agree, but I would like to see the seeking balls again

      LaughingLyon wrote: I think the KCM 1 and 2 thing went out the window a while ago.

      They are destroyed. Aren't they?

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    • Yeah I think so

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    • SuperZX wrote: They are destroyed. Aren't they?

      according to the wiki they cannot be re-created. Probably the only way to get them again would be for one of them to get the 10 tails, or to lose the six path power and get it again.

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    • Through narrative convenience.

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    • He's not, he says Naruto is stronger than Jigen. Read the chapter again.

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    • David Kibasennin wrote: He's not, he says Naruto is stronger than Jigen. Read the chapter again.

      YOU may want to reread the chapter again. Kawaki says "...This guy... might even be more powerful that Jigen..."

      He said "might" and "might" isn't confirmation.

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    • Yeah, but that sentence clearly leans towards the assumption that Naruto is stronger than him.

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    • David Kibasennin wrote: Yeah, but that sentence clearly leans towards the assumption that Naruto is stronger than him.

      At some point these new writes should do justice to the original series and just say that naruto is far stronger than Jigen whoever the hell this guy actually is. I mean naruto was given powers to fight a god, there shouldn't be some new guy out of nowhere that can match that.

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    • It stands to reason.

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    • David Kibasennin wrote: It stands to reason.

      I hope they do make it clear, they are really just trying to set it up for boruto and kawaki to get stronger than naruto. That is crazy and honestly unneeded.

      I honestly would have preferred if they had ended the entire series with the boruto movie. But stuido pierot and these writers want to squeeze out everything they can from this series.

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