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  • according to this wiki hiruzen "was renowned as The Professor (プロフェッサー, Purofessā) due to his mastery of all forms of shinobi combat, reputed for having advanced knowledge and/or skill of all the techniques to ever exist within Konoha, including the many Hiden techniques." so did he know the flying rajin if so why did he never use it

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    • It's never particularly stated as to why Hiruzen never used Flying Thunder God while he was alive (or at least why we never saw him use it during his fight with Orochimaru as it would have been the perfect way to escape the barrier he was trapped in if you ask me.) But yes, Hiruzen did in fact know how to use the Flying Thunder God jutsu as evidenced when he was revived along with Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato by Orochimaru and they needed to rush to the battlefield once Madara's chakra presence was felt. If I'm not mistaken, it was also revealed that his technique was the slowest of the group.

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    • It is possible for anyone to learn and use the FTG. Minato has 4 body guard who together used that jutsu to teleport a person to another location. Anyone can learn and master the jutsu, it's just knowing the formula, and how to use it. The jutsu requires you to have fast reflexes. Maybe Hiruzen learned it but never had the formula, or maybe he just didn't bother with it as he never thought he could do it as good as Minato or Tobirama.

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    • KobiMomochi wrote: But yes, Hiruzen did in fact know how to use the Flying Thunder God jutsu as evidenced when he was revived along with Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato by Orochimaru and they needed to rush to the battlefield once Madara's chakra presence was felt.

      The group arrived by shunshin, not FTG.

      KobiMomochi wrote:

      or at least why we never saw him use it during his fight with Orochimaru as it would have been the perfect way to escape the barrier he was trapped in if you ask me.
      he wasn't looking to escape the barrier. He intended to fight Orochimaru.

      Kinglink15 wrote: maybe he just didn't bother with it as he never thought he could do it as good as Minato or Tobirama.

      Seems like it's this. The jutsu is not that strong on it's own, and opens up the user to counterattacks and whatnot. Tobirama and Minato developed a considerable repertoire around it. Hiruzen didn't.

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    • No.

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    • No.

      Hiruzen never learned FTG, just like he never learned Edo Tensei, Rasengan, CHidori or many other jutsu in existence in Konoha.

      the statement seems more like a hype up for the man.

      The Professor alias would have been more specific to his ability to understand and break down all forms of jutsu and how they work, an ability he showcased in the war.

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    • Id say he probably does know but can't do it by himself

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      KobiMomochi wrote: But yes, Hiruzen did in fact know how to use the Flying Thunder God jutsu as evidenced when he was revived along with Hashirama, Tobirama and Minato by Orochimaru and they needed to rush to the battlefield once Madara's chakra presence was felt.

      The group arrived by shunshin, not FTG.

      KobiMomochi wrote:

      or at least why we never saw him use it during his fight with Orochimaru as it would have been the perfect way to escape the barrier he was trapped in if you ask me.
      he wasn't looking to escape the barrier. He intended to fight Orochimaru.

      Kinglink15 wrote: maybe he just didn't bother with it as he never thought he could do it as good as Minato or Tobirama.

      Seems like it's this. The jutsu is not that strong on it's own, and opens up the user to counterattacks and whatnot. Tobirama and Minato developed a considerable repertoire around it. Hiruzen didn't.

      Thanks for the clarification

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    • Hiruzen can learn the ftg,it can be used by anyone with a decent understand of seals and it's usage. Hiruzen could learn that technique, if he learned the reaper death seal technique then he has the aptitude and skill to learn high level sealing techniques. He has to memorize the ftg formula also . But hiruzen in his old age would not be able to use it to maximum potential like the second or fourth hokage.

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    • Plot.

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    • Soloking itachi15 wrote: But hiruzen in his old age would not be able to use it to maximum potential like the second or fourth hokage.

      Even Minato, in his prime, was exposed to considerable danger in its use. Tobirama similarly used it as a rather special-case jutsu and didn't spam it near as much as Minato did. Given that the Hokage's guards couldn't even use it by themselves, it's clearly a high level jutsu that's not that particularly useful by itself. Even a trick like Minato placing kunai at home opens you up to considerable risk.

      So while it's probable that he can use it, i find it hard to believe he could use it very effectively. Same reason Kakashi never used Rasengan in combat - he had better tools.

      FlatZone wrote: Plot.

      Poor excuse. Everything is plot. Every series has a finite amount of time. Would you trade, say, Naruto learning Rasenshuriken for Hiruzen doing an FTG?

      Nashikeine wrote: The Professor alias would have been more specific to his ability to understand and break down all forms of jutsu and how they work, an ability he showcased in the war.

      There's a vast gulf of skill between "i can perform this jutsu" and "i can use it to fight kage-level opponents and beyond" Someone like Orochimaru wouldn't be fazed the slightest if Hiruzen needed to prepare a kunai slowly, then threw it, then teleported to it. Minato dedicated 3 years to developing a quick-fire ninjutsu that he could use with FTG. That's the kind of dedication it needs to be used on a kage-level.

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    • It depends on which databook you want to believe. One he says he knows how to use all the jutsu in Konoha but another one says he has only studied them.

      If he does know it, he probably isnt very good at it. Part of the reason FTG was so dangerous/effective in the hands of Minato/Tobirama was because they were so fast. Hiruzens fighting style also heavily relied on using his staff thingy and at the time he fought Orochimaru it was feeling heavy for him.

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    • Nashikeine wrote: No.

      Hiruzen never learned FTG, just like he never learned Edo Tensei, Rasengan, CHidori or many other jutsu in existence in Konoha.

      the statement seems more like a hype up for the man.

      The Professor alias would have been more specific to his ability to understand and break down all forms of jutsu and how they work, an ability he showcased in the war.

      Didn't Konohamaru himself stated in Boruto that The Third could have used Rasengan??? When he was boasting about it and was about to use it in battle???

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    • LegionZero wrote: It depends on which databook you want to believe. One he says he knows how to use all the jutsu in Konoha but another one says he has only studied them.

      Studying them would still imply he has the knowledge on how the jutsu is cast and works, which should really be enough to cast said jutsu. Knowing a few hand seals was enough to learn the Practice Brick jutsu, despite it being an earth release jutsu. Doesn't mean that the Alliance can now use earth walls in every fight against jonin+ level opponents, just that they can use the jutsu.

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    • I mean, Jiraiya showed and explained to Naruto how Rasengan works but it still took him a month to even get kinda right.

      Shikamaru asked for the simplest, easiest jutsu to "teach" the alliance, meanwhile FTG requires 3 jonin level guys to perform with the exception of Minato and Tobirama.

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    • Hiruzen knows all techs in Konoha. Does not mean he wasnts to use them. His fighting style is not revolved around transportation. He is a master in all forms of Shinobi combat, who relies on his Summon, and his vast knowledge and intellect, so what would he do with FTG? Warp behind somebody just to wack them over the head with Enma? He has no real use for FTG. So he doesn't need to use it for combat.

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    • @Kill

      first of all, Hiruzen is said to have mastered various forms of ninja combat. the man is not slow by any means. he isnt going to be like slow in drawing a kunai, throwing it and teleporting it. he was fast enough to throw a kunai and multiply it. he could very well use that as a distraction and teleport.

      btw, Tobirama didnt need the Rasengan to work alongside FTG. he worked around with a simple sword and did it effeciently. A man like Hiruzen who knows many jutsu can simply use any form of ninjutsu or weaponry to attack.


      @Kyle

      Eh... When exactly? because everything i know, from all character statements to databook states that only Minato, Jiraiya, Kakashi, Naruto, Konohamaru and Boruto know Rasengan. and of course Momo.

      please give reference.

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    • "reputed for having advanced knowledge and/or skill of all the techniques to ever exist within Konoha, including the many Hiden techniques." Chapter 120 and 4th Databook.

      Hiruzen pretty much knew every jutsu in Konoha. People seem to forget how old Hiruzen was. He was 70 years old. His Chakra was so low at that point, that it was stated that even making 2 Shadow clones was a risk for him. That's why he never showcased such deadly abilities. You expect him to be using Flying Raijin alive? It literally takes 4 Jonin to do that. Hiruzen didn't have the reserves to do it at his old age. His old age cursed him with low reserves.

      When it came to the 4th War, he wasn't as inhibited. He could use up all his Chakra just to have it replenished. It's possible he might have been able to use it. But he still had low reserves, they just would fill up eventually after usage and wouldn't kill him if he ran out. So I don't know if he even had enough initial chakra to make a single jump with Flying Raijin. All Raijin requires is knowledge and Chakra. It's obvious Hiruzen had the first.

      Then the situation of the 4th War. It's not like they were summoned and could go grab everything they needed to fight. No. They were summoned and the moment they could, they left for the war. Hiruzen did not have Flying Raijin Kunai's with him, so he wasn't going to use it in war even if he could.

      So in the end, Hiruzen just lacked the reserves to do it at 70 years old when he was alive. He already had the knowledge on how to do it. If he had been younger? Maybe. Depends on how vast his reserves were when he was in his prime. If they were Kage level, he could have used it.

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