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  • uchiha brothers vs first hokage. itachi is healthy, sasuke has ems.

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    • Hashirama. Their only chance is tsukuyomi, and even if Itachi manages to land it, i still don't think it will be strong enough to break Hashirama's spirit. Hashirama has crazy will power. Not to mention to i don't even see Tsukuyomi landing in the first place, considering Hashirama's wood clones and SM to escape it. Their Susanoo will also have little chance against Hashirama considering the Wood Golem, Deep Forest, and the Wood Dragon. Deep Forest alone owerpowes both of their Susanoo and at the same time to be honest. It took Naruto couple hundreds shadow clones each with a big ball rasengan to stop Edo Madara's version, who might not even be at the same level as alive Hashirama's. And there is really no point going through Hashirama's SM, counting Sage Art: Gate of the Great God who was used to restrain the Ten-Tails itself, and Sage Art Wood Release: True Several Thousand Hands that way overpowered full Kurama + Susanoo. But honestly, Hashirama doesn't need SM.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Hashirama. Their only chance is tsukuyomi, and even if Itachi manages to land it, i still don't think it will be strong enough to break Hashirama's spirit. Hashirama has crazy will power. Not to mention to i don't even see Tsukuyomi landing in the first place, considering Hashirama's wood clones and SM to escape it. Their Susanoo will also have little chance against Hashirama considering the Wood Golem, Deep Forest, and the Wood Dragon. Deep Forest alone owerpowes both of their Susanoo and at the same time to be honest. It took Naruto couple hundreds shadow clones each with a big ball rasengan to stop Edo Madara's version, who might not even be at the same level as alive Hashirama's. And there is really no point going through Hashirama's SM, counting Sage Art: Gate of the Great God who was used to restrain the Ten-Tails itself, and Sage Art Wood Release: True Several Thousand Hands that way overpowered full Kurama + Susanoo. But honestly, Hashirama doesn't need SM.

      From what I know, Hashi doesn't straight away use SM, nor any of his main attacks at the beginning. But since this is kind of a debate, I guess we have to consider all that.

      Madara couldn't defeat Hashi, even with Kurama. Since Madara is ny far stronger than the Uchiha brothers in fire power, and since Hashi was able to stand against all that. Fire power wouldn't be on their side.

      Though there other ways that they can defeat Hashi(But it's still with high difficulty) Like,

      1. Genjutsu, don't really know, why Madara never used it against Hashi(Nor Sasuke against Naruto, to be honest), but genjutsu strong enough to capture the Nine tails, should be strong enough to capture Hashi.

      2. Amaterasu, which both brothers have with them. One direct contact, and it would be done.

      3.TB, basically if they could manage to hit him, then he would be done for.

      4. And finally, the jutsu Hashi passed to Sasuke, the technique that counters the SM, that he gave to Sasuke in order to stop Madara(who was using SM.)

      Well these are the only ways Sasuke and Itachi can win against Hashi. These are my own opinions.

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    • Neither Sasuke nor Itachi use MS abilities right away. It's the same thing.

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    • Let's not forget Hashirama's ability to heal without the use of handseals. His vitality is too much for the Uchiha to handle so I would give him this fight all too easily. God of Shinobi for a reason!

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    • BlazeRelease wrote:

      1. Genjutsu, don't really know, why Madara never used it against Hashi(Nor Sasuke against Naruto, to be honest), but genjutsu strong enough to capture the Nine tails, should be strong enough to capture Hashi.

      It's been more than two years since I touched anything related to Naruto (manga or anime). Heck, I didn't even bother to watch the anime till the end, so I might have forgotten some details. But as far as I know, Sharingan Genjutsu works against Kurama because for some reason, Kurama has an inborn weakness against it. This thing is explicitly stated in the Uchiha Tablet. But just because sharingan's genjutsu is effective against Kurama, it doesn't necessarily mean that it will be effective against Hashi.

      2. Amaterasu, which both brothers have with them. One direct contact, and it would be done.

      Edo Tobirama immediately recognized Blaze Release when Sasuke used it against Juubi. That means either Madara or Izuna possesed Blaze Release. So Hashi should be able to counter Amaterasu.

      3.TB, basically if they could manage to hit him, then he would be done for.

      Ah yes, the Totsuka Blade is basically Itachi's God-level Cheat Code. This one poses a legit threat to Hashi, although its precise nature and limitations have still not been clarified. But those discussions have been done to death 2 years ago. Why flog a dead horse, right? ;)

      4. And finally, the jutsu Hashi passed to Sasuke, the technique that counters the SM, that he gave to Sasuke in order to stop Madara(who was using SM.)

      Was it ever clarified what that jutsu even was in the first place? All I remember is Sasuke getting his bitch ass stabbed in the heart with his own sword by a single-Rinne Madara. Either way, it doesn't matter because the OP has only said that Sasuke has EMS. That doesn't automatically imply that he has the anti-SM technique Hashi gave him.

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    • Hashirama solos w/o SS even if you give Itachi his PS. None of their Susanoo are on Madara's level while Hashirama's SM Wood Dragon thing is equal with Madara's Susanoo.


      -- if they want to escape myojinmon Then Susanoo needs to be undone which leaves them completely defenseless so it'll be worse

      -- using close quarters against Hashirama is an utter rape when hashiramas SM mokujin would manhandle their Susanoo with no efforts all while mokuryu can absorb its chakra as well

      -- Amaterasu gets sensed and mokuryu sprout blocks their LOS or extracts the flames away

      wood release hotei technique would squash itachi immediately and holds down sasukes perfect susanoo. A couple wood dragons while hotei holds sasukes perfect susanoo down and it gets penetrated and sasuke dies

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    • @BakumatsuWarrior. The only thing I gave, was the narrow possible chances of the Uchiha brothers winning. Which considering, one is not even close to his prime, while the other's true abilities are unknown, it should be fair enough.

      And Sharingan from what I could remember, was famous(or rather feared) for it's genjutsu prowress. I don't know how Kurama was weak towards it, but there are many other instances, like Sai, Danzo, Naruto, Killer Bee, C, Raikage, Zabuza, Kurenei, the Mizukage, Manda, Orochimaru and many others, both powerful and skilled shinobis got into it's genjutsu, that's why they said "If you're ever come along the Sharingan, run if you're alone or if you're more than two, fight at both sides." Something like that, I guess. There is a reason why they hide against these guys.

      2. Even Kaguya recognized Amaterasu, so what does that even mean? If Madara or Izuna had Amaterasu, then the only reason they might have been hiding it, would be for the same reason they didn't use genjutsu(Pride?)

      3.Even I think the TB was a bit too much, maybe they could have written it off as another genjutsu based technique(since that's it's nature), thus making it some kind of a blaze that catches it's target into a genjutsu world(by sucking it inside) but for a limited time, and the user could escape it by just countering the genjutsu with their skill in genjutsu countering, atleast that would suffice.

      4.Yeah it never got clarified, lol. I even made a whole thread about it, the said jutsu, till this date, is a mystery. It's nature, it's mechanism and even it's appearence is unknown. The only detail we have is that Hashi believed Sasuke could defeat a Hashi Sage mode absorbed Rinnegen Madara with it. So, since that Madara would be stronger than Hashi himself, it's only fair to say that jutsu could defeat Hashi.

      Though all these aforementioned moves are a longshot. And this is my own opinion.

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