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  • Rachin123
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    23:53, March 5, 2018

    Why is everyone hating on Sakura? She is one of the strongest characters in the whole entire anime and the best healer in the Shinobi world! Sure she wasn't able to do much in the first season but that was only because she was stuck on grades thinking that it'll grant her many opportunities if she just tried hard. Many people are like that, ok? She's not a horrible person just by lying to Naruto. It was supposed to be a white lie so he wouldn't worry about finding Sasuke for her. She was just trying to lift the weight off of his shoulders. People make mistakes, but she makes the most. She knows that she messed up and tries her best to not let it affect people. That's why I think she's not a hateful character but instead a worthy heroine.

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    • She accomplished little to nothing important to the plot on her own. Yes she is one of the strongest ninjas around and a great healer but she never really did anything with those features on her own until she fought Shin.

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    • She was a major key in defeating Sasori, a dangerous S-rank Akatsuki member. During the war she also played a major key, healing along side Tsunade the alliance force. She also was part of the team that saved the world from Kaguya. It was because of her that Obito managed to reach and save Sasuke. In Hagoromo's words, if anybody from that team would've missed, they wouldn't've been able to stop Kaguya, so her importance in that mission alone was acknowledged by the Sage Of Six Paths himself. Her medical skills got her acknowledged by the entire village and probably beyond it.

      Right now she is arguably the strongest Kunoichi in the verse and one of the strongest ninjas right now.

      Just because she does not have some fancy eyes or a demon fox inside of her, or didn't receive power from an 1000 year old Alien God doesn't mean she doesn't hold importance in the series. She had her annoying moments with her obsession of Sasuke and bitchy attitude, but as a Ninja she is a success and had her fair share of important roles.

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    • LegionZero wrote: She accomplished little to nothing important to the plot on her own. Yes she is one of the strongest ninjas around and a great healer but she never really did anything with those features on her own until she fought Shin.

      I think so that's fair assessment.
      Sakura is useless not in terms of her capability but the plot. Her character development is garbage. She is definitely no worthy heroine but yeah she is strong ninja.

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    • It comes from where exactly she's positioned in terms of the plot. She's on a team with the two most powerful shinobi ever seen, so the scale used to define her worth is tipped heavily against her. This is also coupled with the fact that she has multiple "I can finally stand with them!" moments which are immediately followed by one or both of Naruto and Sasuke dwarfing whatever she just displayed.

      So no, she's not useless, she's currently Konoha's best healer and arguably one of (if not the) best kunoichi in the village, but she's held to the standards of the original Team 7 which she couldn't hope to match.

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    • Actually Chiyo proved to be the most important in the fight against Sasori because Sakura couldnt do much to Sasori on her own. Chiyo literally used her like a puppet. And it was stated that Sasori could have dodged the final hit but didnt and let himself die.

      Sakura healed the alliance alongside Tsunade while using 9-Tails chakra. Tsunade didn't need that kind of enhancement and Sakura wouldnt be able to pull her weight without it. Also important to note ghat Tsunade kept the whole Leaf village alive on her own. Sakura has yet to display this kind of feat and didnt do much except scream for Naruto during Pains assault.

      She didnt do anythig to Kaguya except punch her at the very end and only got to do that because Kakashi got Perfect Susanoo and distracted Kaguya. Once again, Sakura did very little and required assistance. In all reality, a shadow clone could have accomplished this feat.

      Obito could have been given chakra by Naruto, and arguably, would have been better off for it.

      Even if Sakuras medical abilities were acknowldged by the village she only made truly important use of it once, to massage Naruto's heart. Mind you, this didnt even save him, Obito giving him half of Kurama did. She just stalled and prolonged his death, assuming Hagoromo wasnt going to put him back into the world of the living, since he clearly had plans for Naruto.

      Her fight with Shin was the only time where she accomplished anything worthwhile completely by her own merits. Up until then all her feats required assitance or could have been done better by someone else.

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    • Kushina once said to Naruto not to be upset at his own limitations, cause everybody them. I feel that too many like Sakura, as Batman: Arkham's own Alfred would say, try to see themselves as islands, instead of a person, who true strength is from people.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Actually Chiyo proved to be the most important in the fight against Sasori because Sakura couldnt do much to Sasori on her own. Chiyo literally used her like a puppet. And it was stated that Sasori could have dodged the final hit but didnt and let himself die.

      Sakura healed the alliance alongside Tsunade while using 9-Tails chakra. Tsunade didn't need that kind of enhancement and Sakura wouldnt be able to pull her weight without it. Also important to note ghat Tsunade kept the whole Leaf village alive on her own. Sakura has yet to display this kind of feat and didnt do much except scream for Naruto during Pains assault.

      She didnt do anythig to Kaguya except punch her at the very end and only got to do that because Kakashi got Perfect Susanoo and distracted Kaguya. Once again, Sakura did very little and required assistance. In all reality, a shadow clone could have accomplished this feat.

      Obito could have been given chakra by Naruto, and arguably, would have been better off for it.

      Even if Sakuras medical abilities were acknowldged by the village she only made truly important use of it once, to massage Naruto's heart. Mind you, this didnt even save him, Obito giving him half of Kurama did. She just stalled and prolonged his death, assuming Hagoromo wasnt going to put him back into the world of the living, since he clearly had plans for Naruto.

      Her fight with Shin was the only time where she accomplished anything worthwhile completely by her own merits. Up until then all her feats required assitance or could have been done better by someone else.

      only at the beginning of the fight, chiyo stated half way through the fight that Sakura was starting to evolve her and dodge all on her own without chiyo's help and that eventually it was mostly sakura

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    • As cool as that is she wouldnt have gotten to that point without Chiyo's assistance and Sasori chose to take the fatal blow in the end so that undermines any progress Sakura had made.

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    • Sakura is strong . Shes arguably faster than Sasuke and Naruto , both claimed that the Tentails arms were too fast for them , which sakura ran away from for a small moment . Shes underrated . She even outsped 5 mangekyou sharingans of shin all the time screaming and running at him so you cant say she blindsided him . Yet shin with precognition couldnt react , let alone dodge . Underrated speed feat definitely . Even Sasuke didnt realize she was there even with his Rinnegan precognition . She reacted and took obito and evaded the acid pouring out of the dimension completely . She has lots of speed feats , but people dont like her character and look down on her .

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    • Naruto and Sasuke never said the 10 Tails was too fast for them, just that it was pretty fast.

      Dodging acid the acid isnt particularly impressive seeing how most important characters at that point move faster than lightning. She also didnt avoid that acid. She lost her sleeve and whole flak jacket because of it.

      Sasuke never stated that he couldnt or didnt see her show up. Even her speed feat on Shin can be chalked up to him being to slow to keep up, like Sasuke vs Rock Lee. Later on during their brief fight at Shins hideout Sakura should have been able to take him out if she was as fast you claim.

      You are overestimating Shin. He is mid akatsuki level at best.

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    • LegionZero wrote: As cool as that is she wouldnt have gotten to that point without Chiyo's assistance and Sasori chose to take the fatal blow in the end so that undermines any progress Sakura had made.

      I disagree. It was the first time that we see the results of her training, as well as actually participating in a proper fight, so it isn't really fair to say that it undermines her progress.


      LegionZero wrote: Naruto and Sasuke never said the 10 Tails was too fast for them, just that it was pretty fast.

      Dodging acid the acid isnt particularly impressive seeing how most important characters at that point move faster than lightning. She also didnt avoid that acid. She lost her sleeve and whole flak jacket because of it.

      Sasuke never stated that he couldnt or didnt see her show up. Even her speed feat on Shin can be chalked up to him being to slow to keep up, like Sasuke vs Rock Lee. Later on during their brief fight at Shins hideout Sakura should have been able to take him out if she was as fast you claim.

      You are overestimating Shin. He is mid akatsuki level at best.

      I really liked her fight against Shin. It's the way she should have been in most of Shippuden. Her evasion and speed were great and it should have been like that as she is supposed to capitalize on these skills as a medical-nin. Also, Sasuke was confident that she could have taken him out by herself, so I definitely think that she could do it. (but Sasuke and the gang arrived so it didn't happen so just try not to think too much about it)


      I really like Sakura. I like some parts of her development and I can also relate to her story-wise, and I acknowledge that she became strong. She isn't as useless as people make her out to be. I think that since the 'hate' has lasted this long, there might be something wrong with some people if they still react to her as strongly and can't let it go.

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    • @ImNotGoodWithUsernameslmao whatever progress she made in the fight was ultimately undermined because Sasori let himself die in the end. He also basically won that fight, he landed a fatal blow on Sakura and Chiyo was poisoned. Had he not committed suicide by Chiyo he would have finished off both of them.

      I also never said Sakura couldnt take Shin. She shit stomps him if she can close the gap. Im saying Shin at best falls somewhere mid-Akatsuki level.

      I actually like Sakura as well. She is a powerhouse and a great med ninja. She has the tool set to be one of the biggest contributers. The problem is she never actually had any major/useful contributions to the series. Shin was the only enemy she was ever able to take on her own. Her med-ninjutsu never saved anyone particularly important either.

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    • Yea, the whole problem with Sakura is perception. Naruto and Sasuke both have moments of growth in which that growth clearly pays off. Sakura however, has never followed through such a promise. Not only is a ridiculous amount of attention put on her for being behind, but then every time she thinks she caught up, she's kicked back into the dirt.

      Even against shin she still needed to be saved by sasuke, once again showing that she can't handle herself. Even though logically, she should. She's the only character that goes "oh i've caught up~!" -cue action sequence- "oh no i need to be rescued".

      Take Kiba. He's clearly not Naruto's equal, and at no point is this adressed. He never goes "i'm behind" nor "now i've caught up!". Same is true for shino. Or pretty much anyone else in the K12. They show up, and fight.

      There's never a point where the arc is finished. There's never a point where she unambiguously surpassed someone. At best she's Tsunade's equal. Sasuke surpassed Orochimaru, since he not only achieved the power Orochimaru sought but defeated him in combat. He has the power to make or learn all the jutsu in the world, and so fulfilled Orochimaru's dream. Jiraiya lost to Pain, yet Naruto defeated him. With help, for sure, but it's a clear accomplishment. He is a perfect Sage, and did something about the hatred in the world. it's not gone, but the amount of hatred has clearly and measurably decreased.

      Sasuke clearly surpassed his mentor and fulfilled his mentor's dream. Naruto clearly surpassed his mentor, and fulfilled his mentor's dream. In his case, with Kakashi (elemental rasengan), Jiraiya (sage mode/hatred), Minato (rasengan/Kurama) and Kushina (Perfect jinchuriki).

      Sakura however, neither fulfilled Tsunade's dream nor completed her jutsu nor took away some old shame or so. Despite being a Senju, Tsunade has no wood release. Sakura achieving that for herself would be a massive feat of medical skill and show that she's clearly beyond Tsunade. No such things exist.

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    • I wouldnt say she NEEDED to be saved from Shin but yea, it still happened.

      As for surpassing Tsunade it was stated that her Byakugo was more effective because Tsunade was always using a portion of that chakra for her sexy-fication jutsu. I would also argue that she did fulfil Tsunades dream by preventing Naruto from dying, or postponing his death until somone else stabalized him.

      I would also argue that Sasukes win vs Orochimaru wasnt legit, considering Orochimarus body was decaying and he was weakened but when they met later on Sasuke could have killed him.

      Another part of the problem is that Naruto and Sasuke are so far ahead of Sakura that she actually can't catch up. I mean, they have freaking God Mods. Sakura is also rendered moot when Naruto comes back and reveals that he has instant healing powers AND CAN REGENERATE OTHER PEOPLES MISSING BODY PARTS(even though this ability is really inconsistant). Naruto hits almost as hard as she does. A perfect oppurtunity for Sakura to be useful would have been for her to save Guy from 8 Gates death but nope, Naruto was apparently the only one who could. She could have fixed his leg the way Tsunade healed Lee's supposedly unfixable limbs after the Garra fight, but no he was forever wheelchair bound.

      Also despite her being a straight A student you would think she would be some sort of tactition for Team 7, but no, Kakashi was usually that if it was necissary.

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    • "One simply does not kill Orochimaru" XD

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    • LegionZero wrote: I wouldnt say she NEEDED to be saved from Shin but yea, it still happened.

      True, but it just fundamentally undermines the character. It's not that she couldn't have gotten backup, that part was fine. But the backup arrives to get her out of a tough bind, continuing a time-honored tradition of Sakura needing to be saved.

      LegionZero wrote:

      As for surpassing Tsunade it was stated that her Byakugo was more effective

      Stated, but not shown. Tsunade survived being torn in two yet could still keep 4 near-death kage alive as well as herself. The problem with sakura isn't what she can do, it's whats shown what she can do.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Another part of the problem is that Naruto and Sasuke are so far ahead of Sakura that she actually can't catch up. I mean, they have freaking God Mods.

      This doesn't have to be an issue. Considering they're the sons of clan heads, transmigrants, and got various powers and jutsu entrusted to them, it's not strange they're godmode. Considering that Sakura came from nothing, and yet became Sannin-level without that is very impressive in itself. But she never considers this to herself. This argument is never shown in the series. There's never a point where Tsunade says "stop worrying about them, consider what you've achieved yourself. How far you've come."

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      I would also argue that she did fulfil Tsunades dream by preventing Naruto from dying

      I don't think this is particularly a powerful sentiment. Nor is it really surpassing in that sense, since it seems Dan got caught in his spirit jutsu and so was literally impossible to heal. It's not really something Tsunade couldn't have done with the exact same situation. On the other hand, Naruto was able to move people in a way Jiraiya couldn't, and Sasuke was able to leverage his genetic potential in a way Orochimaru couldn't.

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      I would also argue that Sasukes win vs Orochimaru wasnt legit, considering Orochimarus body was decaying and he was weakened but when they met later on Sasuke could have killed him.

      Completely true, but it's a one-up on him nonetheless. Later on when Sasuke resurrects him, Orochimaru has given up his quest for revenge and treats him more like a pupil, so in that sense he did achieve a victory. Either way, it's clear that Sasuke surpassed his master. Not in every sense, but enough that we can clearly say Sasuke is better in some regards. But not really Sakura.

      It's this lack of clarity, lack of payoff, lack of meaningful feats that make people think she's useless. And it's frustrating since she could be so much more.

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    • I agree. She's basically a run-of-the-mill normal kunoichi during most of the series. I think a good percent of people who harp on Sakura doing solely because of the meme. And as much as I like Sakura, the meme itself is pretty funny most of the time.

      I'd really like to see some of the other core 10 Leaf make use of some of their confirmed chakra natures; Sakura has Earth and Water, Ino has Earth, Water and Fire (although Earth may just come from her being able to use the basic Earth wall than almost any ninja could perform), etc.

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    • @killman: Kushina and Minato werent heads of their clans. Its debatable that Namikaze was even a clan.

      Sakura was more or less their equal until they got Hagoromo upgrades.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Obito could have been given chakra by Naruto, and arguably, would have been better off for it.

      Obito himself stated Naruto's clone didn't have enough chakra to manage the portals.

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    • LegionZero wrote: @killman: Kushina and Minato werent heads of their clans. Its debatable that Namikaze was even a clan.

      Sakura was more or less their equal until they got Hagoromo upgrades.

      That's an overstatement. Sakura was still much behind Naruto and Sasuke. Well At least Naruto...

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    • While I won't go as far as to say Sakura is on Naruto and Sasuke's level, she is no slouch and has shown to be a very powerful kunoichi in her own right. However, Kishi finds anyway to shit on her character after rising her up. He literally takes one step forward with her and like 10 steps back. Instead of being an actual character, she is often placed as a damsel in distress and background character.

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    • LegionZero wrote: As cool as that is she wouldnt have gotten to that point without Chiyo's assistance and Sasori chose to take the fatal blow in the end so that undermines any progress Sakura had made.

      yes, and without sakura allowing Chiyo to use her as a puppet, Chiyo herself would have never gotten that far in the fight, so your point is irrelevant. both acted as each other's crutch in that fight, without each other neither would have lasted very long


      sakura gets a lot of unnecessary flack, in reality people shouldn't be harping on her, but on kishimoto who has problems writing great female characters.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: @killman: Kushina and Minato werent heads of their clans. Its debatable that Namikaze was even a clan.

      Sakura was more or less their equal until they got Hagoromo upgrades.

      That's an overstatement. Sakura was still much behind Naruto and Sasuke. Well At least Naruto...

      I meant Byakugo Sakura was on EMS/Kurama Naruto level.

      @Randell: Chiyo took out most of Sasori's puppets on her own. She also spent like, half that battle protecting Sakura. Sakura would have gotten merced from the start of the fight without Chiyo. Sakura herself stated she didnt have the kind of reflexes needed to dodge what Haruko might have had

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: @killman: Kushina and Minato werent heads of their clans. Its debatable that Namikaze was even a clan.

      Sakura was more or less their equal until they got Hagoromo upgrades.

      That's an overstatement. Sakura was still much behind Naruto and Sasuke. Well At least Naruto...

      I meant Byakugo Sakura was on EMS/Kurama Naruto level.

      @Randell: Chiyo took out most of Sasori's puppets on her own. She also spent like, half that battle protecting Sakura. Sakura would have gotten merced from the start of the fight without Chiyo. Sakura herself stated she didnt have the kind of reflexes needed to dodge what Haruko might have had

      yeah that overstatement. Jiraiya, Orochimaru and Tsunade were having Stone Paper Scissor relationship. Right now both Naruto and Sasuke were much above Jiraiya or Orochimaru respectively. Naruto had even gone for Beast sage mode....

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    • legion, its true she took out a lot of his fodder puppets but without sakura she would have been 1 shotted against the puppet of the kazekage.

      and it was only initially that sakura didn't have the reflexes, chiyo specifically stated she was evolving and over time chiyo had less and less involvement in the control of sakura

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      LegionZero wrote: @killman: Kushina and Minato werent heads of their clans. Its debatable that Namikaze was even a clan.

      Sakura was more or less their equal until they got Hagoromo upgrades.

      That's an overstatement. Sakura was still much behind Naruto and Sasuke. Well At least Naruto...

      I meant Byakugo Sakura was on EMS/Kurama Naruto level.

      @Randell: Chiyo took out most of Sasori's puppets on her own. She also spent like, half that battle protecting Sakura. Sakura would have gotten merced from the start of the fight without Chiyo. Sakura herself stated she didnt have the kind of reflexes needed to dodge what Haruko might have had


      Before the fight Chiyo said that Sakura didn't have enough battle experience while Chiyo herself doesn't have the power to break Hiruko, which was the first step in beating Sasori. While debatable, both of them should be given equal recognition for this fight. They provided what the other didn't have, and they even saved each other multiple times in that fight.

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    • @namikaze: That is not an overstatement. Strength of 100 Tsunade was breaking Susanoo swords and ribcages barehanded, and even punching around humanoid Susanoos. Sakura's Byakugo is more effective than Tsunade's, so she can either heal faster, hit harder, use Stength of 100 longer, or even all 3, EMS Sasuke dies from his own regular sword.

      Sakura's Strength of 100 is said to be better than hers. Not to mention Sakura punched off Kaguyas horn, 9 SPSM Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken couldnt even do that.

      She can compete with Pre-Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke easy. And she actually did when fighting the mini Juubi clones.

      @ImNotGood: Chiyo wouldnt necissarily need to break the defenses with raw force. Kankuro was defeated by breaking certain joints on his puppets. Regardless of who needed who more, Sasori chose to die when he could have killed both of them. He was stronger than both of them combined.

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    • That's not actually true...she might be able to compete to some degeree to them, but still...Take in account SM Naruto for instance. SM Naruto would beat Sakura with her seal. And KCM is way above SM. Same for EMS.

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    • Sage Mode Naruto lost to Deva Pain. You honestly think he could do to Madaras Susanoo what Tsunade did?? It tanked Hirudora and Tsunade punched it around like a ragdoll. This Susanoo in its ribcage-humanoid state tanked hits from A, who was able to cut Gyukis horn and knock him to the ground. Above 8 Tails durability. And Tsunade casually punched it around.

      Living Sage Mode eyeless Madara tanked getting smacked around by every tailed beast, including Sage Beast Naruto, and wasnt even mortally wounded.

      Strength of 100 Sakura has more destructive capacity in one punch than one of Narutos biggest attacks. Mind you Kaguya dwarfed Madara in every sense, including durability. Her level of brute strength cant be denied.

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    • Except that unlike the Susanoo, which is a massive construct, Naruto is not getting hit easily in SM. Actually, it would be pretty difficult for Sakura to hit Naruto. Naruto could dodge the 3rd Raikage at max speed in SM, and Sakura is not even comparable in speed. Naruto also has frog Kata that can also kill a regular shinobi with one hit. I'm not implying that Sakura will get killed or anything from it, but it will still do damage to her. She must deal with these invisible hits and has no way to know when they are coming. Also Naruto has ridiculous brute force as well. He stopped and casually threw in the air those massive Rhinos of the the Animal Path and with one kick he was able to sent the Deva Path flying even as a teen.

      And even if Sakura is able to survive a rasengan point blank, i really don't think she can deal with getting hit by a rasenshuriken. Even if she survives, she gets her chakra network cut, and that's it for her. Tsunade herself stated that even she can't do anything about it. So i don't think Sakura would be able to deal with it. she can't restore her network. And Sakura does have a lot more chances of getting hit than Naruto who mind you, also has at least couple hundred shadow clones who may or may not be able to use big ball rasengan or some of them even rasenshurikens.

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    • Most of those shadow clones are getting knocked out. Seconds after getting Byakugo, Sakura was one shotting easily dozens of juubi clones with one explosive punch.

      Frog Kata only worked on the less durable Pains. Never really seen beinh used on stronger opponents. Sage Mode could not take on the 3rd Raikage and he was 8 tails in terms of strength and durability. Sakura broke Kaguyas bones who is above WAY above 8 tails durability.

      3rd Raikage also isnt known for his speed like the 4th. He is a durability and brute strength guy. This isnt a speed feat on SM Narutos part.

      Admittedly tho Sakura has no defence against the chakra network portion of Rasenshuriken. Thats another reason she falls behind Sasuke and Naruto. They have techniques that she has no defense against, like Amaterasu and Rasenshuriken's assault on her chakra network.

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    • Sakura doesn't really need a defence against the Rasenshuriken, as she has enough speed to dodge it. I mean even the Naraka Path dodged it. The very same one that genin Konohamaru could outpace. To increase its speed, Naruto would have to use his chakra arms to launch them like he did against the Third Raikage. Sakura's regenerative powers will allow her to withstand critical damage, even from the black flames that is Amaterasu. So even though she can't dodge it, she can continue fighting as the burning will be healed.

      Another thing is that Sakura doesn't have to rely on actually hitting her target. That's the beauty of it. She has enough strength to level the area and create shockwaves. This alone will keep her enemies on their toes and she could possibly find an opening. She will most definitely be able to easily damage the skeletal and humanoid versions of the Susanoo, and considering that she could harm Kaguya, will undoubtedly be able to some damage to the armoured and perfect versions of the Susanoo. She is also quite skilled in taijutsu, specifically as an adult, as seen in her battle against Shin. She can also summon Katsuyu for backup, using her unique body to block otherwise fatal attacks and use her acid as a diversion of some kind. While I believe Sakura will undoubtedly lose though, she really doesn't get the credit she deserves.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      @namikaze: That is not an overstatement. Strength of 100 Tsunade was breaking Susanoo swords and ribcages barehanded, and even punching around humanoid Susanoos. Sakura's Byakugo is more effective than Tsunade's, so she can either heal faster, hit harder, use Stength of 100 longer, or even all 3, EMS Sasuke dies from his own regular sword.
      At best rib cage.(I am talking about Tsunade's feat) Guy's Hirudora demolishes a stronger Susanoo.
      Nothing other than Hashirama's words suggest that also Tsunade was out of her prime.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Sakura's Strength of 100 is said to be better than hers. Not to mention Sakura punched off Kaguyas horn, 9 SPSM Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken couldnt even do that.
      Yeah even Naruto's blitz broke her hand. So are you implying that Naruto's hand breaking attack was stronger than 9 Rasenshuriken? The 9 rasenshuriken completely destroyed her body reverting her to Ten Tails form by the way.

      LegionZero wrote: She can compete with Pre-Six Paths Naruto and Sasuke easy. And she actually did when fighting the mini Juubi clones.

      No she can't. Jiraiya Oro and Tsunade were equals. Naruto and Sasuke have too strong bloodline limits/innate power for the Neo Sannins to be equal.
      So hyping started again. Sakura wasn't close to the Two when she proclaimed that statement. Also Naruto could actually take his powers to another level with use of Beast Sage Mode. So could Sasuke by using Jugo's Help. Those Two were at front lines clearly competing with the Hokages. Sakura was acting like Backup, Which too was covered by Naruto with use of Kurama's cloak. So I don't see how The Three were equal. At This point Naruto was too strong for anyone in Konoha. His Shadow clones were taking on Kage level opponents with ease.
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    • @raichin: Konahamaru hitting the Narak path isnt a speed feat. Its more of a tactical stealth one.


      @namikazenaruto: Tsunade was punching around Madara's full body, pre-armor Susanoo. The one with the muscle fiber/skin. You were right about Hirudora though. Susanoo tanked the initial impact but not the explosion.

      Naruto ripped off Kaguyas arm barehanded this would be a feat more akin to lifting stength and had more force behind it than all his Rasenshurken's explosive and cutting force. Despite have the giant gaping wound the 9 rasenshuriken still were unable to to deal significant damage to Kaguyas body. Black Zetsu comments that her instability was because the Chakra of each beast in the Rasenshuriken interacted with the beasts inside Kaguya. Btw, Naruto's lifting strength=/=striking strength, as he decked Kaguya in the face and she basically shrugged it off. The last person who broke Juubi Jin with striking force was 8 Gates Guy. And Juubidara wasnt shit compared to Kaguya.

      You are going to put Sasuke up there with Naruto when Sasuke needed assistance to reach that level, but somehow Sakura isnt on their level? She was just on the front lines with them causing a bigger than a Sage Mode Rasenshuriken and comparible in size to Planetary Rasengan without releasing Strength of 100. Sakura stood back as SUPPORT without Kurama chakra for quite a long time. But this role is irrelevent. Also irrelevent is that Naruto didnt beat Mu and defeated the 3rd Raikage by redirecting his own attack into himself, not because any of Narutos jutsu could hurt him, nevertheless a punch.

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    • @Legion I was talking about how Konohamaru was able to dodge most of the Naraka Path's assaults prior to being caught. It was anime only, but the fact is it happened, and he was still able to land a sneak attack on him in the manga. If the Naraka Path was faster than him, he would have easily dodged it. So if Konohamaru could do it, Sakura damn well could. That's my only point.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Naruto ripped off Kaguyas arm barehanded this would be a feat more akin to lifting stength and had more force behind it than all his Rasenshurken's explosive and cutting force. Despite have the giant gaping wound the 9 rasenshuriken still were unable to to deal significant damage to Kaguyas body. Black Zetsu comments that her instability was because the Chakra of each beast in the Rasenshuriken interacted with the beasts inside Kaguya. Btw, Naruto's lifting strength=/=striking strength, as he decked Kaguya in the face and she basically shrugged it off. The last person who broke Juubi Jin with striking force was 8 Gates Guy. And Juubidara wasnt shit compared to Kaguya.

      Not sure what you are saying here. 9 rasenshuriken didn't cause her damage For a specific reason. Kaguya absorbed the Ninjutsu which caused the resonance. I still don't see why you are comparing it with Sakura's punch. I mean how is Ninjutsu damage comparable to Taijutsu one? and that too when it was absorbed?

      LegionZero wrote: You are going to put Sasuke up there with Naruto when Sasuke needed assistance to reach that level, but somehow Sakura isnt on their level? She was just on the front lines with them causing a bigger than a Sage Mode Rasenshuriken and comparible in size to Planetary Rasengan without releasing Strength of 100. Sakura stood back as SUPPORT without Kurama chakra for quite a long time. But this role is irrelevent. Also irrelevent is that Naruto didnt beat Mu and defeated the 3rd Raikage by redirecting his own attack into himself, not because any of Narutos jutsu could hurt him, nevertheless a punch.

      I said Naruto was unrivalled at this point.(check the post). Sasuke too at this point would lose in direct confrontation. Also before we proceed further I would like to point out before VOTE 2 Sasuke one-shots Sakura with just Genjutsu. You still feel like arguing for Sakura's Cause?
      Naruto did land a devastating blow on Muu with his clone, that's not all he was practically assisting every where on the battlefield. 3rd Raikage's blow though redirected was a result of careful analysis. Naruto did win the fight fair and square. Noone actually gave the "info".
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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Not sure what you are saying here. 9 rasenshuriken didn't cause her damage For a specific reason. Kaguya absorbed the Ninjutsu which caused the resonance. I still don't see why you are comparing it with Sakura's punch. I mean how is Ninjutsu damage comparable to Taijutsu one? and that too when it was absorbed?

      Now you are contradicting yourself. First the Rasenshurikens hurt her too much to maintain her form. Now Kaguya absorbed the Rasenshuriken. But let me tell you why you are wrong either way. The Rasenshurikens exploded, causing shockwaves that pushed Sasuke and Kaguya back. Kaguya also had some scrapes and tattered clothes after being hit. Despite this, the Rasenshurikens did only superficial damage. Regardless if it is taijutsu or ninjutsu, all these attacks have force and Sakuras punch had more force than the Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken.

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote: I said Naruto was unrivalled at this point.(check the post). Sasuke too at this point would lose in direct confrontation. Also before we proceed further I would like to point out before VOTE 2 Sasuke one-shots Sakura with just Genjutsu. You still feel like arguing for Sakura's Cause?
      Naruto did land a devastating blow on Muu with his clone, that's not all he was practically assisting every where on the battlefield. 3rd Raikage's blow though redirected was a result of careful analysis. Naruto did win the fight fair and square. Noone actually gave the "info".

      Tailed Beast mode Naruto smacked around Susanoo similar to the way Strength of 100 Released Tsunade did. Released Sakura is supposed to be stronger than that, putting her striking power at a minimum of one of Kurama's tails.

      Strength of 100 Released Tsunade also broke Susanoos curvey blade. The same blade that withstood 4 of the same blade striking it and was not shown to crumble until being hit multiple times by multiple tailed beasts simultaneously. Tsunade broke it in 1 punch. And Sakura is stronger than that. Released Sakura's physical strikes can compete with Tailed Beasts, but no duh, her punches can break Kaguya's bones when SPSM and 6 Paths Perfect Susanoo's sword can't even draw blood.

      Naruto still was unable to kill both halves of Muu and he separated on impact. Gyuki told Naruto about his final battle with the 3rd Raikage and with that information he guessed that pierced the 3rds cloak, so no it was not through Narutos observational skills that he came to that conclusion.

      So what if Sasuke Genjutsu'ed Sakura? He had Rinnegan Amp, capable of genjutsuing all 9 tailed beasts at once but this feat doesnt change the fact that Sakura's durability and striking force far exceeds his.

      Go back to chapter 632 and watch Sakura perform evenly with base Naruto and Sasuke before Byakugo appeared. Then it appeared and we see her take down more Juubi clones in a single strike, which prompts Naruto and Sasuke to go to KCM1 and EMS respectively. The entire chapter is about is to show how they are equal. If she used Creation Rebirth-Strength of 100 she would actually have more force in a punch than anything either Sasuke or Naruto had at that moment.

      She would beat EMS Sasuke with Strength of 100 but eventually lose to Naruto due to his speed and his ability to destroy her chakra network. She would eventually lose to 6 Paths Naruto and Sasuke because they have certain abilities like Chakra absorption, Amaterasu, teleportation, and chakra network attacks and they also outspeed her. But she wont make it easy. Mid-difficulty at best.

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