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  • Because for me it was not a good father of Hinata, he was rather a terrible father and not caring for his older daughter, and his younger daughter was a good father and caring. How do you think he was a good, loving father for Hinata? Answer what you think about the father-daughter relationship.

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    • The idea of a good father is subjective and in the Naruto world such ideals vary greatly between social groups.The Hyuga, for example, are a very power-oriented group.Their entire clan structure and customs are a pretty master-race/natural selection -type deal.We can't really know his mind or his parenting strategies but it seems in his own weird way Hiashi wanted Hinata to be the best (she could be?) and saw fit to use whatever means necessary to toughen her up.So I think as far as the Hyuga nobility goes, he was an excellent father.

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    • no i am sorry but being a good father is not a subjective concept, you are either a good father or a bad father, there is no in between, it doesn't matter if He wanted his daughter to be the best, mind you he didn't want her to be the best that SHE COULD BE, as you put as when she couldn't live up to his standards he acted like a total utter douchebag and disinherited her from her rightful position as the next clan leader, stopped paying attention to her and decided that she was beneath his attention. the moment she didn't live up to his satisfaction she was as good as nothing to him, sure he loved her still but to him she was weak and weakness isn't tolerated in the hyuga clan. so in other words yes he was an utter horrible father who needed to take a chill pill

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: no i am sorry but being a good father is not a subjective concept, you are either a good father or a bad father, there is no in between

      There is. There is a huge range in the quality of fathers. Someone who spoils their kids with toys and puts up no boundaries is a horrible father, even though on the short run they might seem great. Yet it's very different from say, an abusive father.

      While Hiashi wasn't the greatest father, he wasn't exactly a horrible father and Hinata turned out fine.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote: no i am sorry but being a good father is not a subjective concept, you are either a good father or a bad father, there is no in between

      There is. There is a huge range in the quality of fathers. Someone who spoils their kids with toys and puts up no boundaries is a horrible father, even though on the short run they might seem great. Yet it's very different from say, an abusive father.

      While Hiashi wasn't the greatest father, he wasn't exactly a horrible father and Hinata turned out fine.

      I'm also wondering if that the result of whatever happened to her mother?

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    • Hell no he wasn't a good father, the only reason that Hinata turned out fine was because of Naruto and others, not because of her father. If it wasn't for Naruto and others, Hinata's father wouldn't of changed and Hinata most likely would have had the Bird Cage Mark on her forehead. Anyone who thinks he was have to rethink that, and if they do think he was tell me how. From what I seen, if it wasn't for others, who knows what would have happened to Hinata.

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    • Her father is nothing but total douchebag that did not care for Hinata at all until Boruto, where he appears to be more light-hearted.

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    • Hiashi actually started to take Hinata more seriously after her fight with Neji. She took Naruto's words to heart and worked on improving herself without giving up like she used to.

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    • Liam Lane wrote: Hell no he wasn't a good father, the only reason that Hinata turned out fine was because of Naruto and others, not because of her father. If it wasn't for Naruto and others, Hinata's father wouldn't of changed and Hinata most likely would have had the Bird Cage Mark on her forehead. Anyone who thinks he was have to rethink that, and if they do think he was tell me how. From what I seen, if it wasn't for others, who knows what would have happened to Hinata.

      Hinata would have never had the bird in the cage mark on her four head, because even though she was no longer heir apparent to the head clan she was still part of the head family. she would have never been part of the branch family

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      Hinata would have never had the bird in the cage mark on her four head, because even though she was no longer heir apparent to the head clan she was still part of the head family. she would have never been part of the branch family

      So was Hiashi's brother and Neji's father hizashi. before the clan braided him with curse mark despite being part of Head family.

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    • To be honest, I think Hiashi just made a lot of mistakes in his life. It's pretty obvious that he loves Hinata very much but because of the Hyūga's way and the way he was brought up himself, he gives Hinata that kind of "tough love". I guess all he wanted was for his daughters to be strong. In my opinion, when Hiashi left Hinata in Kurenai's care and said all that mean stuff, I think that what he wanted was for Hinata to become stronger and to not be that cutie with no backbone. I think Hiashi obviously loves Hinata but he just wasn't the type to shower his daughters with love and take them to candyland every day, until Boruto and Himawari came when he became a grandpa.

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    • Do you think he may have been like Naruto in a way in his youth?

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      So was Hiashi's brother and Neji's father hizashi. before the clan braided him with curse mark despite being part of Head family.

      No, Hizashi was part of the branch-family right from the beginning because he was born after Hiashi. Sure you can argue that that's unfair, but that's how the clan is run. Same thing with Hinata's case. When Hiashi saw that Hinata couldn't handle the pressure and the power necessary to be the head of the family, he stopped he Hinata because he knew better than to push her too far, as a caring father should. This is a reason why after Hinata shown her abilities and power during most of the Part II and the War arc, he fully accepted Hinata as the right heir to the Hyuga clan.

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    • Jakefirestorm wrote:

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      So was Hiashi's brother and Neji's father hizashi. before the clan braided him with curse mark despite being part of Head family.

      No, Hizashi was part of the branch-family right from the beginning because he was born after Hiashi. Sure you can argue that that's unfair, but that's how the clan is run. Same thing with Hinata's case. When Hiashi saw that Hinata couldn't handle the pressure and the power necessary to be the head of the family, he stopped he Hinata because he knew better than to push her too far, as a caring father should. This is a reason why after Hinata shown her abilities and power during most of the Part II and the War arc, he fully accepted Hinata as the right heir to the Hyuga clan.

      True but Hanabi is still the current heiress and Hinata is still removed from position. Wait...that's true information, right?

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    • Jakefirestorm wrote:

      No, Hizashi was part of the branch-family right from the beginning because he was born after Hiashi. Sure you can argue that that's unfair, but that's how the clan is run. Same thing with Hinata's case. When Hiashi saw that Hinata couldn't handle the pressure and the power necessary to be the head of the family, he stopped he Hinata because he knew better than to push her too far, as a caring father should. This is a reason why after Hinata shown her abilities and power during most of the Part II and the War arc, he fully accepted Hinata as the right heir to the Hyuga clan.

      Hiashi and Hizashi were twins. I don't know what fair or unfair in this but it means both were part of main family or else both of them would be braided with curse marks. Hiashi didn't get the mark just because he was born minutes before Neji's father. No matter how you slice it Hanabi would have gotten the mark if not for Hiashi who changes the outlook of Hyuga clan after seeing his brother suffer at hands of "fate".
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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      Jakefirestorm wrote:

      No, Hizashi was part of the branch-family right from the beginning because he was born after Hiashi. Sure you can argue that that's unfair, but that's how the clan is run. Same thing with Hinata's case. When Hiashi saw that Hinata couldn't handle the pressure and the power necessary to be the head of the family, he stopped he Hinata because he knew better than to push her too far, as a caring father should. This is a reason why after Hinata shown her abilities and power during most of the Part II and the War arc, he fully accepted Hinata as the right heir to the Hyuga clan.

      Hiashi and Hizashi were twins. I don't know what fair or unfair in this but it means both were part of main family or else both of them would be braided with curse marks. Hiashi didn't get the mark just because he was born minutes before Neji's father. No matter how you slice it Hanabi would have gotten the mark if not for Hiashi who changes the outlook of Hyuga clan after seeing his brother suffer at hands of "fate".

      there is no proof that female's get the mark. or even if female's are considered branch family EVER. we know that hinata wasn't instantly branded the mark, and therefore logic would dictate that neither would have hanabi

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: there is no proof that female's get the mark. or even if female's are considered branch family EVER. we know that hinata wasn't instantly branded the mark, and therefore logic would dictate that neither would have hanabi

      Why wouldn't the females not be considered in branch family? I am curious about this deduction.
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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      Jakefirestorm wrote:

      No, Hizashi was part of the branch-family right from the beginning because he was born after Hiashi. Sure you can argue that that's unfair, but that's how the clan is run. Same thing with Hinata's case. When Hiashi saw that Hinata couldn't handle the pressure and the power necessary to be the head of the family, he stopped he Hinata because he knew better than to push her too far, as a caring father should. This is a reason why after Hinata shown her abilities and power during most of the Part II and the War arc, he fully accepted Hinata as the right heir to the Hyuga clan.

      Hiashi and Hizashi were twins. I don't know what fair or unfair in this but it means both were part of main family or else both of them would be braided with curse marks. Hiashi didn't get the mark just because he was born minutes before Neji's father. No matter how you slice it Hanabi would have gotten the mark if not for Hiashi who changes the outlook of Hyuga clan after seeing his brother suffer at hands of "fate".

      Maybe the Hyugas are a superstitious bunch? I mean Hiashi and Hizashi were twins and the younger one was braided with the curse mark. But Hinata and Hanabi are not twins, and Hanabi was not braided with the curse mark so...?

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    • Jentaisenpai wrote: I mean Hiashi and Hizashi were twins and the younger one was braided with the curse mark. But Hinata and Hanabi are not twins, and Hanabi was not braided with the curse mark so...?

      My guess is that it's indeed the fact that they were twins. It could be that the claim to the Main branch is determined by age or birth, but that the close birth leaves no clear leader.

      Alternatively, the feudal setting could imply feudal laws apply, which could mean that the Hyuga claim is divided among it's male heirs or in absence of male heirs, a suitable female heir is chosen.

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    • Well, I'm pretty sure that their daughters weren't considered "branch" families, because they technically can't "start" one.

      Plus, we've never seen females branded with a curse mark in the first place. It's pretty unrealistic that there has never been females born in the main family other than Hinata and Hanabi.

      Plus Plus, now that Naruto is the hokage, he could've kept his word on "changing the Hyuga way", but that's probably less likely.

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    • Jakefirestorm wrote: Plus, we've never seen females branded with a curse mark in the first place.

      Well, looking at whole series, I can think of only two Hyuga women other than Hinata and Hanabi, both anime only:

      1. Hinata and Hanabi's mother, and we have no idea if she even was Hyuga by blood. 2. Natsu, that maid from Hanabi's filler, but she wear headband protector, so her cursed mark could be hidden.

      The whole issue with Caged Bird Seal is that it was stupid idea to begin with and only served as plot device for Neji's hatred and his change later.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Jentaisenpai wrote: I mean Hiashi and Hizashi were twins and the younger one was braided with the curse mark. But Hinata and Hanabi are not twins, and Hanabi was not braided with the curse mark so...?

      My guess is that it's indeed the fact that they were twins. It could be that the claim to the Main branch is determined by age or birth, but that the close birth leaves no clear leader.

      Alternatively, the feudal setting could imply feudal laws apply, which could mean that the Hyuga claim is divided among it's male heirs or in absence of male heirs, a suitable female heir is chosen.

      If this was remotely true Neji would have been chosen. But he wasn't. I feel that we shouldn't try to find weakness in practice which may have started ages ago. It just that thanks to Hiashi's progressive thinking he is able to remove this practice of "cage Bird Seal".
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