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    15:06, March 26, 2018

    Shisui(doesn't commit suicide, has perfect susanoo, has all his MS abilities, including kotoamatsukami and he also can body flicker) versus Kakashi during the Kaguya fight (perfect susanoo, able to use Kamui, has MS)

    Location: Destroyed leaf village 50m apart, no prep time, straight into combat.

    Victory by KO.

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    • We have no idea of Shisui's abilities with Susanoo besides his in-game abilities. So that's hard to judge.

      Koto is basically a one-shot. So basically Shisui can't lose. Unless Kakashi knew what Koto was and somehow knew when Shisui activated it. Since Mifune was able to disregard the jutsu once someone made him aware it was being use. But Kakashi doesn't know it, and he has no way of knowing when it's activated. So yeah, Koto gg.

      Without Koto, I'd say Kakashi wins. He has SP chakra and can us some of his highest draining techs in quick succession. SP chakra basically wins this one. Plus since Shisui doesn't have EMS, using Perfect Susanoo would probably exhaust him after like 5 minutes. 10 tops.

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    • I doubt he even has the stamina to activate Perfect Susanoo without EMS.

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    • he wins even against kaguya with koto, but loses freaking vr2 killer without it, so...

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    • Does Kakashi have anything to make him immune to Koto? If Shisui misses with Koto Kakashi wins. but that is more of a if then anything else.

      In every way but Koto Kakashi is stronger.

      Also Mufune was not able to dissregard koto. the other kages was able to convence him. if Danzo wanted Mufune could have been programed to attack the other kages and would have done so even being told he was under koto.

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    • Nerosmoke wrote: Does Kakashi have anything to make him immune to Koto? If Shisui misses with Koto Kakashi wins. but that is more of a if then anything else.

      He could use the same trick as he did against (fake) Itachi, namely baiting Koto with a shadowclone. Shisui can't spam it, so if he misses Kakashi is safe.

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    • Shisui probably . I wonder if shisui cant spam it . Its his jutsu so he should probably be able to . The weakness is only for other users I believe . His shunshin was also the best among everyone in his era . He could take out kakashi with shunshin combined with KA .

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    • Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Shisui probably . I wonder if shisui cant spam it . Its his jutsu so he should probably be able to .

      No, he can't. Itachi mentions specifically that the cooldown would be considerably reduced by Hashirama's cells, and Danzo had those and he still couldn't use it multiple times per day. While it's safe to say that Shisui could use it more than once per decade, he couldn't use it more than once per day for certain.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Shisui probably . I wonder if shisui cant spam it . Its his jutsu so he should probably be able to .

      No, he can't. Itachi mentions specifically that the cooldown would be considerably reduced by Hashirama's cells, and Danzo had those and he still couldn't use it multiple times per day. While it's safe to say that Shisui could use it more than once per decade, he couldn't use it more than once per day for certain.

      Did Itachi ever say shisui cant use his own technique countless times? He simply said other users who possessed shisui's eye would need hashirama cells , not shisui himself . Its like saying tobi cant his own kamui multiple times...

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    • Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: did Itachi ever say shisui cant use his own technique countless times? He simply said other users who possessed shisui's eye would need hashirama cells , not shisui himself . Its like saying tobi cant his own kamui multiple times...

      Not to be nitpicky, but Obito also has hashirama cells, which is why he can spam it indefinitely with no apparent cost nor cooldown. Compare it to Kakashi, who can only use it 2-3 times in a fight, or to Itachi who can also use his MS powers only 2-3 times per fight.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: did Itachi ever say shisui cant use his own technique countless times? He simply said other users who possessed shisui's eye would need hashirama cells , not shisui himself . Its like saying tobi cant his own kamui multiple times...

      Not to be nitpicky, but Obito also has hashirama cells, which is why he can spam it indefinitely with no apparent cost nor cooldown. Compare it to Kakashi, who can only use it 2-3 times in a fight, or to Itachi who can also use his MS powers only 2-3 times per fight.

      Which means shisui can also use it 3 or 4 times at least right? It would be illogical to think shisui cant when its his MS not a borrowed power .

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    • Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Which means shisui can also use it 3 or 4 times at least right? It would be illogical to think shisui cant when its his MS not a borrowed power .

      No, as Koto is an exception here. We've seen that with training, a borrowed MS user can get to similar levels as a natural MS user (Kakashi and Itachi, for instance). Danzo has had that eye for years, so he would've had enough time to master it to Kakashi's level. So i do not believe he was limited by the transplantation.

      Besides, Obito showed a much greater degree of MS spamming than even natural EMS users, so evidently Hashirama's cells count for a LOT. So if a Hashirama-cell-using Danzo can't spam Koto, neither would Shisui, regardless of whether he's a natural user.

      I mean obviously Shisui has two eyes so he has two shots at this, but each eye can not use it more than once per day, and likely less than that.

      Sure, that makes Shisui's eye the exception in regards to use rate, but it was also the exception in regards to power (absurdly godlike) and ease of use (no need for eye contact).

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Which means shisui can also use it 3 or 4 times at least right? It would be illogical to think shisui cant when its his MS not a borrowed power .

      No, as Koto is an exception here. We've seen that with training, a borrowed MS user can get to similar levels as a natural MS user (Kakashi and Itachi, for instance). Danzo has had that eye for years, so he would've had enough time to master it to Kakashi's level. So i do not believe he was limited by the transplantation.

      Besides, Obito showed a much greater degree of MS spamming than even natural EMS users, so evidently Hashirama's cells count for a LOT. So if a Hashirama-cell-using Danzo can't spam Koto, neither would Shisui, regardless of whether he's a natural user.

      I mean obviously Shisui has two eyes so he has two shots at this, but each eye can not use it more than once per day, and likely less than that.

      Sure, that makes Shisui's eye the exception in regards to use rate, but it was also the exception in regards to power (absurdly godlike) and ease of use (no need for eye contact).

      Ok . Agree with you . How do you think this match will go? Who gets the upperhand . In terms of speed , I think Shisui outclasses Kakashi but Im not sure about the other factors.

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    • Natrix Spiritual Cloak Gleam wrote: Ok . Agree with you . How do you think this match will go? Who gets the upperhand . In terms of speed , I think Shisui outclasses Kakashi but Im not sure about the other factors.

      Against DMS kakashi, there's no way in hell Shisui is faster. Kakashi can destroy Shisui's Susanoo with his Kamui shuriken, dodge whatever gets thrown back and then use Kamui Raikiri to finish him off. Shisui's strong but i see little reason to believe he could match a Six-paths-chakra enhanced Kakashi, especially not one backed by Obito's spirit.

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    • Shisui said he can only use it in 1 time per day. he was waiting to use it to control the uchiha clan, before danzo took his eye.

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    • Kotomasukifckuuuu!

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    • Nerosmoke wrote: Shisui said he can only use it in 1 time per day. he was waiting to use it to control the uchiha clan, before danzo took his eye.

      When?

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    • When? the only time shisui was ever shown in the anime.

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    • Nerosmoke wrote: When? the only time shisui was ever shown in the anime.

      Are you confusing the speed up by hashirama's cells with actual Shisui's use? Shisui didn't use it in anime.

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    • He said he was able to use it before danzo took his eye. the then gave his other eye to itachi and jumped off a cliff.

      Shisui was never in the time skip.

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    • Nerosmoke wrote: He said he was able to use it before danzo took his eye. the then gave his other eye to itachi and jumped off a cliff.

      Shisui was never in the time skip.

      He said he wasn't able to use it. Danzo took his eye so he gave the other one to itachi. His flashback was there in time skip.
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    • Shisui was 16 when he died and met itachi when he was 5 years old and itachi killed the clan at 13 so tje last time he would've used it must be when he was 6 years old lmfao . That's impossible and illogical at the same time . There's no way he could've used it at that age and even then ; there's no way he would've recieved fame for it because the person being controlled can never know he's being manipulated which only Ao can decipher with his byakugan and that is only because he has seen shisui chakra colour before. Which means when Ao and crew so shisui they already knew about KA hence the immediate retreat , which means he had used it many times for the fame , just like minato spamming FTG in the War to earn the nickname . There's no way shisui used KA on Ao's crew considering Ao never claimed one of his subordinates got caught .


      This proves he can spam KA hence why it became renowned .

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    • Prime Shisui takes this.Kotoamatsukami would stomp Kakashi.

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    • Shisui stomps unless kakashi somehow knows about koto and then uses izanagi to counter it like Danzo did lol.

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    • It could go either way.

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    • Izanagi is not some tool that anyone who has a sharingan can just use. Kakashi can't use it.

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    • CombatIQmatters wrote: Shisui stomps unless kakashi somehow knows about koto and then uses izanagi to counter it like Danzo did lol.

      Kakashi can't use Izanagi.

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    • Kakashi can't use Izanagi.The ninjas who can use Izanagi are: Danzo Shimura Madara Uchiha Obito Uchiha Baru Uchiha Naka Uchiha Rai Uchiha.

      Prime Shisui VS Prime Kakashi,I think Shisui would win.I mean he has the MS, the Susanoo, the Kotoamatsukami which is known as the most powerful genjutsu and we still don't know all of his MS powers,while Kakashi has the MS, the Susanoo,but he doesn't have any strong genjutsu and isn't an uchiha in the first place.When he lost his sharingan he became an ordinary ninja and no longer was "Kakashi of the sharingan" or "Kakashi the copy ninja".At his best state Kakashi is very strong,but not strong enough to face an opponent with such a strong Dojutsu as Shisui Uchiha.Now there is a considerable number of shinobi's who can beat Kakashi.

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    • Amaterasu kagutsuchi wrote: Kakashi can't use Izanagi.The ninjas who can use Izanagi are: Danzo Shimura Madara Uchiha Obito Uchiha Baru Uchiha Naka Uchiha Rai Uchiha.

      Prime Shisui VS Prime Kakashi,I think Shisui would win.I mean he has the MS, the Susanoo, the Kotoamatsukami which is known as the most powerful genjutsu and we still don't know all of his MS powers,while Kakashi has the MS, the Susanoo,but he doesn't have any strong genjutsu and isn't an uchiha in the first place.When he lost his sharingan he became an ordinary ninja and no longer was "Kakashi of the sharingan" or "Kakashi the copy ninja".At his best state Kakashi is very strong,but not strong enough to face an opponent with such a strong Dojutsu as Shisui Uchiha.Now there is a considerable number of shinobi's who can beat Kakashi.

      Wrong.Itachi Uchiha can use Izanagi too. Yes,I know Itachi used the Izanami too but since Izanagi is Izanami's other half,we have to assume that Itachi can use Izanagi.Though I do agree with you that Shisui would win,,Prime Shisui could beat Prime Kakashi easily. Danzo said he was the strongest Uchiha including Itachi from that time who was already a 12yr Anbu with a mastered 3 tomoe Sharingan. Obito also told Kabuto not to push his luck when he wanted to reincarnated Shisui. As has already been stated, Shisui was the strongest Uchiha of his time. He was so skilled in genjutsu that he could trap multiple people from a great distance. Combine that with the Kotoamatsukami and his unparalleled use of the body-flicker technique and this fight is over before it even started.Obito himself also feared resurrecting Shisui. Danzo had to resort to Izanagi to be able to get just one of his eyes. Itachi never beat Shisui in a taijutsu match. It took 4 or more Anbu level Water tech users to stop his great fireball technique. Kakashi's only chances are Kamui... that's it.

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    • Naruto10647 wrote:

      Amaterasu kagutsuchi wrote: Kakashi can't use Izanagi.The ninjas who can use Izanagi are: Danzo Shimura Madara Uchiha Obito Uchiha Baru Uchiha Naka Uchiha Rai Uchiha.

      Prime Shisui VS Prime Kakashi,I think Shisui would win.I mean he has the MS, the Susanoo, the Kotoamatsukami which is known as the most powerful genjutsu and we still don't know all of his MS powers,while Kakashi has the MS, the Susanoo,but he doesn't have any strong genjutsu and isn't an uchiha in the first place.When he lost his sharingan he became an ordinary ninja and no longer was "Kakashi of the sharingan" or "Kakashi the copy ninja".At his best state Kakashi is very strong,but not strong enough to face an opponent with such a strong Dojutsu as Shisui Uchiha.Now there is a considerable number of shinobi's who can beat Kakashi.

      Wrong.Itachi Uchiha can use Izanagi too. Yes,I know Itachi used the Izanami too but since Izanagi is Izanami's other half,we have to assume that Itachi can use Izanagi.Though I do agree with you that Shisui would win,,Prime Shisui could beat Prime Kakashi easily. Danzo said he was the strongest Uchiha including Itachi from that time who was already a 12yr Anbu with a mastered 3 tomoe Sharingan. Obito also told Kabuto not to push his luck when he wanted to reincarnated Shisui. As has already been stated, Shisui was the strongest Uchiha of his time. He was so skilled in genjutsu that he could trap multiple people from a great distance. Combine that with the Kotoamatsukami and his unparalleled use of the body-flicker technique and this fight is over before it even started.Obito himself also feared resurrecting Shisui. Danzo had to resort to Izanagi to be able to get just one of his eyes. Itachi never beat Shisui in a taijutsu match. It took 4 or more Anbu level Water tech users to stop his great fireball technique. Kakashi's only chances are Kamui... that's it.

      Perhaps Itachi can use Izanagi, but he never did.And I only wrote the ninjas who used Izanagi.If you like making stories about Itachi using Izanagi,then I suggest you better write in some fanfiction wiki,because here, we only write about official events of Naruto plot.

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    • Shisui one shots with Koto. Without it though, he stands no chance against a double Kamui eye Kakashi Hatake.

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    • As has already been stated, Shisui was the strongest Uchiha of his time. He was so skilled in genjutsu that he could trap multiple people from a great distance. Combine that with the Kotoamatsukami and his unparalleled use of the body-flicker technique and this fight is over before it even started. I could see Shisui beating Kakashi.

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    • @Naruto

      Not quite. I mean I agree about Koto, Kakashi doesn't stand a chance, little people do against it. But without it, Kakashi would win since he would be in his prime, with both of Obito's eyes. With those, no one really stands a chance against him in non-Genjutsu actual combat.

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    • LoneNinja wrote: @Naruto

      Not quite. I mean I agree about Koto, Kakashi doesn't stand a chance, little people do against it. But without it, Kakashi would win since he would be in his prime, with both of Obito's eyes. With those, no one really stands a chance against him in non-Genjutsu actual combat.

      I agree,without it,Kakashi would win.

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    • Shisui can maintain Susano'o for long while Kakashi can't since he isn't an Uchiha. So this is a battle of stamina,really. Koto one-shots. So,Shisui can't lose.

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