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  • If Team Guy fought Hebi (which means this is Sasuke during his fight with Itachi), who do you think would win and why?

    Location: Uchiha Hideout (Destroyed)

    Distance: 15m

    Restrictions: Guy can only go 6 gates. Lee can only go 5 gates. Suigetsu can't use Water Release: Tate Eboshi due to not having the water source necessary to use it.

    Edit: Anime and Manga feats apply.

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    • The matches i think would be: Sasuke vs Guy; Lee vs Jugo; Neji vs Suigetsu; Ten Ten vs Karin (?).

      I'm prepared to take a lot of sh*t from you guys for saying this, but i think Sasuke would beat Guy most of the times. He also has Orochimaru within himself for better stamina, and Kirin can always come into play if times are hard and the planets all aligned.

      Jugo beats Lee simply because he is just superior with his curse mark that the 5th gate.

      Suigetsu is probably one of the worst enemies for Neji simply because he can just turn into water whenever Neji attempts to strike him, but him winning is still questionable.

      Ten Ten would undoubtedly beat Karin, unless she uses her Uzumaki chains or whatever. Thing is i don't see them battling. I see Ten Ten supporting one of her teammates. The same for Karin with her healing factor.

      I'd give this to Hebi.

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    • @Vlad

      I just don't believe Sasuke will beat Guy most of the times. I honestly seeing it going more in Guy's favor, due to knowing how to fight opponents with the Sharingan (aka Kakashi of the Sharingan). He could easily avoid Genjutsu: Sharingan, which Sasuke would most likely be trying to do catch him in. Guy doesn't have much speed feats in base, but it can be assumed that he is around Lee's speed (without the weights) and that's enough to face this Sasuke. They would go toe to toe in the taijutsu department. However, due to Sasuke abilities to flow chakra around his body, that will make it extremely hard for Guy to fight him like that. Sasuke also has the capabilities to keep him at bay with Chidori Senbon and could always pretend he is going to use the Chidori instead Chidori Sharp Spear. However, I have faith that even that would defeat Guy and he would go gates, and Sasuke will respond by going into his his Curse Mark state while Guy goes gates. Despite everything Guy will have way too much speed for even Sasuke to keep up with that much and that's where I believe Guy will take the win. While I believe Sasuke could pull off setting enough heat to create storm clouds with his fire dragons, I don't see him being able to Kirin. While we don't know the exact amount of Guy's chakra reserves, we know it is high considering he could stay in gates for a considerable amount of time. Sasuke does have increased stamina and could fly in his Curse Mark state, but with someone like Guy, I don't think that matters too much.

      Lee and Jugo is an interesting fight. Lee definitely has the speed and strength to hurt Jugo (in base and in gates). Lee's taijutsu is much more superior, and in gates, he'll be a monster. Jugo doesn't have much speed feats in his Sage Transformation, but he could use jet boosters to increase his speed, though I still believe Lee will have the advantage most of the time. I would suggest that Jugo try to surprise attack him and transform part of his body into weapons when Lee gets close.

      As you said, Suigetsu is the worst opponent for Neji due to him being able to transform his body at will, which would make his taijutsu null and void. However, Suigetsu would also try and attack Neji and it being Neji, he could use that against him to try and get him before he could react to change to water. I don't know. This is a complicated situation for Neji.

      Karin is not much of a fighter. She almost no battle skill. Now I know Tenten isn't no badass, but she is more capable in battle. Karin does have the chains, but she seems to be limited to its use and not proficient in its use as she has only an incomplete version. Tenten can attack from a distance and launch not only weapons but fire dragons and an ocean of water. She can also take down Karin in a taijutsu battle with her bo.

      I'd give this to Team Guy, but it'll be a close one.

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    • Wouldn't the gentle fist be a good counter to Suigetsu's hydrification jutsu since Neji stated that anything made of chakra is weak to the gentle fist. Also, I don't think the hydrification jutsu would prevent Neji from hitting Suigetsu's tenketsu.

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    • ^Not necessarily, as in the anime, Hinata's Gentle Fist was useless against Nurari due to his slime suit that was full of chakra as described by Hinata. Physical attacks are useless against Suigetsu unless its coated with lightning. Fighting a Hozuki member in combat will take strategic thinking, something that Neji is capable of doing. As I've said, Suigetsu is the type to run up at a person, and that will be his downfall in the end. Neji has the means to defend perfectly and will most likely not be caught off guard. He is quite fast, specifically at hand movements, and one false move for Suigetsu and its game over.

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    • Wasn't that a filler though.

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    • I'm counting anime feats too.

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    • Shouldn't you though restrict genjutsu? I mean, I know that Guy has praticed with Kakashi.But we're seen that it means that he uses a reflection to see.How can he fight properly, if he's gonna fight with Sasuke. And there's also a thing, where they can all just get genjutsud by the Sharingan before they could even react.I mean there's always that possibility.

      So, I'm without genjutsu, I'm gonna say that,

      Sasuke knows about Team Guy.He knows that they're basically don't have any ninjutsu(other than summoning and Byakugan).And he knows that they're experts in Taijustu.So he won't go on and tell his teammates to attack with close combat.

      And with Sasuke's Oro substitution technique, coming in handy at dire situations(Though, Jugo and Karin are still there too) As well as Sasuke's snake summons. Suigetsu doesn't have water source, right? I don't think that'll make a difference anyways. I think Hebi will take this, but with difficulty.

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    • @Blaze

      What? Guy doesn't use a reflection, he just focuses on the opponents lower body to avoid getting hit in genjutsu, and for a taijutsu master like Guy, that's clearly not a problem.

      Sasuke knows very little about Team Guy tbh. Other than that Neji is part of the Hyuga who have near 360 vision and specialize in cutting off the chakra pathway system of an opponent, and that Lee and Guy are taijutsu masters, he doesn't know of their full abilities, especially Tenten's, though I don't believe she'd be a problem for him anyway.

      Sasuke is not as skilled with the use as far as we can tell than Orochimaru, and only ever used it into dire situations. It matters because Guy can as easily punch Suigetsu to vapor, something I don't think even he can come back to with Morning Peacock. Snake summoning like the one he used on Jugo and Suigetsu won't be much of a problem for Guy.

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    • Hebi would destroy! (really because of Sasuke,) Sasuke would just amaterasu all of them!

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    • EssahUzumaki wrote: Hebi would destroy! (really because of Sasuke,) Sasuke would just amaterasu all of them!

      If you read the topic, you would know that this is the Sasuke who fought Itachi at the Uchiha Hideout, so Sasuke does not possess the Mangekyo Sharingan, let alone Amaterasu at this time.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      EssahUzumaki wrote: Hebi would destroy! (really because of Sasuke,) Sasuke would just amaterasu all of them!

      If you read the topic, you would know that this is the Sasuke who fought Itachi at the Uchiha Hideout, so Sasuke does not possess the Mangekyo Sharingan, let alone Amaterasu at this time.

      Lol, though interstingly enough, Sasuke did use Itachi's amaterasu through his sharingan.Just saying lol.

      Rachin123 wrote: @Blaze

      What? Guy doesn't use a reflection, he just focuses on the opponents lower body to avoid getting hit in genjutsu, and for a taijutsu master like Guy, that's clearly not a problem.

      Sasuke knows very little about Team Guy tbh. Other than that Neji is part of the Hyuga who have near 360 vision and specialize in cutting off the chakra pathway system of an opponent, and that Lee and Guy are taijutsu masters, he doesn't know of their full abilities, especially Tenten's, though I don't believe she'd be a problem for him anyway.

      Sasuke is not as skilled with the use as far as we can tell than Orochimaru, and only ever used it into dire situations. It matters because Guy can as easily punch Suigetsu to vapor, something I don't think even he can come back to with Morning Peacock. Snake summoning like the one he used on Jugo and Suigetsu won't be much of a problem for Guy.

      Still just trying to avoid, eye contant by avoiding the eyes are difficult.Especially facing against a shurikem and ninjutsu specialist like Sasuke. Even then, Sasuke has shown that he does close up to use genjutsu.Remember how he just appeared infront of C.

      Um, isn't that all there is to know about them? They are taijutsu specialists.Kakashi already told him about Lee Vs Gaara.For the Chunnin exams.Even then, his Sharingan allows him to figure out anything else.He figured out the mechanisms Deidera,Danzo and Madara's secrets techniques and applied a tactic, without them even knowing.It wouldn't take him much to figure out taijutsu fighters.He knows that Lee and everyone else shouldn't be underestimated.He won't tell his teammates to attack taijutsu specialists with taijutsu.And then they will start using long range attacks.For which theee is also is an Uzumaki.Thus Sasuke has by theory a Uzumaki plus Uchiha chakra reserve.

      Snake summonings aren't a problem? I don't see how.Especially with Sasuke surging Chidori over his body.

      I'm just saying, that in my opinion.Taka takes this.

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    • @BlazeRelease

      As I explained, Guy has experience with this method and he showed no issue with having to do this, something Asuma nor Kurenai could do. I'm sure it'll be a bit tricky, especially fighting someone like Sasuke, a highly skilled taijutsu and sword practitioner himself, but Guy could most definitely get through it. Yes, but that type of genjutsu strained Sasuke eye, and he never even used it again. Even then Sasuke needed a distraction to use the technique anyway.

      The Sharingan allows the user to predict the movements the user is going to do, but it can only do so much for Sasuke to be able to easily beat a taijutsu master like Guy in physical combat. Sasuke figuring out the mechanics of Deidara's bomb was because he had the weakness of it so if you put two and two together and you got it. As for Danzo, even Karin also figured out how Danzo's Izanagi works, but even then that's not that impressive.

      I wouldn't expect Sasuke to underestimate the Guy who beat his a**, the guy who beat his a**, and the guy who taught they a**. Sasuke does not know the extent of their abilities. Knowing they are taijutsu fighters would not change anything. Sasuke has no long range techniques, other than Kirin that takes loads of setting up. The closest is Chidori Senbon, which covers all angles, but Neji could easily block it and Tenten could summon an iron dome. Jugo has the locus cannon jutsu, but that won't be much of a issue from afar. The jutsu also has like a 5 second charge up rate. With a fast team like Team Guy (minus Tenten), they should be able to avoid being hit with those techniques. It's going to be a taijutsu battle happening whether you like it or not, and the fact that Team Guy are taijutsu specialists, who pack power and speed, its going too generally slide into their favor. Karin cannot continue to use that Heal Bite, one bite from Sasuke took a toll on her.

      What I said was the snakes he used against Jugo and Suigetsu won't be a problem. Neji has the Byakugan and could easily react to avoid them, and Lee and Guy are incredibly fast and agile. I don't he can channel the chidori through the snakes without instantly de-summoning because he harmed them.

      Team Guy has my vote.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @BlazeRelease

      As I explained, Guy has experience with this method and he showed no issue with having to do this, something Asuma nor Kurenai could do. I'm sure it'll be a bit tricky, especially fighting someone like Sasuke, a highly skilled taijutsu and sword practitioner himself, but Guy could most definitely get through it. Yes, but that type of genjutsu strained Sasuke eye, and he never even used it again. Even then Sasuke needed a distraction to use the technique anyway.

      The Sharingan allows the user to predict the movements the user is going to do, but it can only do so much for Sasuke to be able to easily beat a taijutsu master like Guy in physical combat. Sasuke figuring out the mechanics of Deidara's bomb was because he had the weakness of it so if you put two and two together and you got it. As for Danzo, even Karin also figured out how Danzo's Izanagi works, but even then that's not that impressive.

      I wouldn't expect Sasuke to underestimate the Guy who beat his a**, the guy who beat his a**, and the guy who taught they a**. Sasuke does not know the extent of their abilities. Knowing they are taijutsu fighters would not change anything. Sasuke has no long range techniques, other than Kirin that takes loads of setting up. The closest is Chidori Senbon, which covers all angles, but Neji could easily block it and Tenten could summon an iron dome. Jugo has the locus cannon jutsu, but that won't be much of a issue from afar. The jutsu also has like a 5 second charge up rate. With a fast team like Team Guy (minus Tenten), they should be able to avoid being hit with those techniques. It's going to be a taijutsu battle happening whether you like it or not, and the fact that Team Guy are taijutsu specialists, who pack power and speed, its going too generally slide into their favor. Karin cannot continue to use that Heal Bite, one bite from Sasuke took a toll on her.

      What I said was the snakes he used against Jugo and Suigetsu won't be a problem. Neji has the Byakugan and could easily react to avoid them, and Lee and Guy are incredibly fast and agile. I don't he can channel the chidori through the snakes without instantly de-summoning because he harmed them.

      Team Guy has my vote.

      Yes, but Guy only trained with Kakashi, his friend with one sharingan.Do as much they can.Kakashi wouldn't fight with the intent to kill, would he?

      Yes Guy could, but there's a fact that he may not be able to, too.

      Sasuke has the same distractions with him.Jugo and Suigetsu can distract, while he does it.

      Maybe a physical combat for hebi Sasuke against Guy wouldn't be that succesful for him.But he never took an oath for Taijutsu.He uses a sword, channeling chidori with it.As well fire balls.The moment Sasuke get's close to him.He'll be using Chidori long spear or his sword.And since Guy can't directly stare at his upper body.It's not gonna be easy for him to dodge.

      Karin is an intellegent shinobi.It's not like she's an average shinobi.She's even a lab assistant and stuff.Sasuke figured out all that in the midst of the battle and acting on his strategy on the midst of it as well, without his opponents knowing it.Deidera,Danzo,Madara.They all had secret abilities that he figured out.Nit just because he had the weakness for it.He even made strategies for against Itachi's Jutsus.Finally be able to use him for Kirin.But he didn't exactly expect susanoo.

      Um, I really didn't get that.But Sasuke did have info from Kakashi.He did tell him about what happened at the Chunnin exams.So he does know the extenct of them.Unless, they have a secret susanoo, in their sleeves.

      Fire releases.Every fire release, Sasuke used was long range.Shurikens,Kunai and fuma shurikens(And one of the technique that actually tricked Itachi).So yeah, he really has a set of long range jutsus.

      Karin knows medical ninjutsus.She can power him as long as she can.And I don't think her wellfare is that important in this battle.She'll do it as long as Sasuke asks.

      Yep, the a genius from a clan of genius is gonna straight away attack a team of taijutsu specialists(Probably taka Sasuke, would with all the hatred in him and all)But not Hebi Sasuke.Unless we relate Guy with Itachi or Danzo or something.Even then, Team guy would try to make it a taijutsu battle.and there are chances they will.But that doesn't mean that it's an instant victory for them.Since Guy is limited to Sasuke's legs and whatever I said, above can be taken too.

      When did Byakugan gave away such fast reaction abilities? Anyways, he can do it at what you said the close combat battle.Without Guy focusing on Sasuke's upper body, it's gonna be difficukt to even see those snakes coming from his shoulders.Let alone escape them.And after catching atleast one of them.He can just control them.

      Remember Team Guy is of Konoha.They value their members too much.So if Sasuke manages to even catch Tenten with genjutsu and control her on their side.Then it's mostly done for.They won't attack their own members, with the captured one attacking them and the rest of Taka attacking them while at it.

      And you haven't even restricted Manda.

      Taka takes this.

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    • depends. did sasuke absorb itachi already? can jugo go full apeshit transformation? does suigetsu have his sword etc. if these are yes's, then I think team guy wins. it doest matter which sasuke we're talking bout, he loses to guy anyways. 5th gate lee vs jugo? tough one. no full body transformation, lee wins, but with full body transformation, jugo wins. tenten vs Karin... it could go either way, since both can have a one chance, isnta advantage on the other.

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    • @BlazeRelease

      Kakashi is a very capable taijutsu fighter, him having 1 Sharingan doesn't change anything. He'd be a good match up against Sasuke in speed and taijutsu, so Guy being the more skilled in the latter, will be able to function perfectly fine. No Kakashi never fought Guy with the intent to kill, but neither has Guy.

      Except the distractions will be distracted with members of Team Guy, Sasuke will not have their attention much. Karin will most likely be at his side, but with Guy and Tenten, she'd ultimately be split from him. She can't heal him if she's dead, which ultimately will be her downfall, either by Tenten or someone else's hands.

      None of Sasuke's fire jutsus are long range. It can cover a decent distance, but the further the distance, the easier they can dodge with their high speed.

      I'm not saying she has average intelligence, but Sasuke figuring it out wasn't special considering he was pretty smart, and you know, put two and two together and you got it. It was not hard to figure out Danzo's jutsu, and neither was Deidara's. I'm glad he thought of a strategy in the midst of battle, something you'd expect ninjas to do anyway, but I still don't understand that part as there is not secrets to Team Guy, but him having to deal with Guy in gates will be difficult for him.

      Sasuke is a genius who runs in alone at the Raikage and his jonin guards. Yea, lets not get carried away here.

      The Byakugan doesn't give away fast reactions. What I said is that Neji is fast and because he has the Byakugan he would hardly be caught off guard, and even if so, he could react fast enough to block or dodge.

      Sasuke has never used genjutsu in a way to control his victims, so don't start making him do it now.

      I didn't restrict Manda because Manda will be a last stand, and by that time, Guy and Lee will be in gates and utterly pummel him.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @BlazeRelease

      Kakashi is a very capable taijutsu fighter, him having 1 Sharingan doesn't change anything. He'd be a good match up against Sasuke in speed and taijutsu, so Guy being the more skilled in the latter, will be able to function perfectly fine. No Kakashi never fought Guy with the intent to kill, but neither has Guy.

      Except the distractions will be distracted with members of Team Guy, Sasuke will not have their attention much. Karin will most likely be at his side, but with Guy and Tenten, she'd ultimately be split from him. She can heal him if she's dead, which ultimately will be her downfall, either by Tenten or someone else's hands.

      None of Sasuke's fire jutsus are long range. It can cover a decent distance, but the further the distance, the easier they can dodge with their high speed.

      I'm not saying she has average intelligence, but Sasuke figuring it out wasn't special considering he was pretty smart, and you know, put two and two together and you got it. It was not hard to figure out Danzo's jutsu, and neither was Hidan's. I'm glad he thought of a strategy in the midst of battle, something you'd expect ninjas to do anyway, but I still don't understand that part as there is not secrets to Team Guy, but him having to deal with Guy in gates will be difficult for him.

      Sasuke is a genius who runs in alone at the Raikage and his jonin guards. Yea, lets not get carried away here.

      The Byakugan doesn't give away fast reactions. What I said is that Neji is fast and because he has the Byakugan he would hardly be caught off guard, and even if so, he could react fast enough to block or dodge.

      Sasuke has never used genjutsu in a way to control his victims, so don't start making him do it now.

      I didn't restrict Manda because Manda will be a last stand, and by that time, Guy and Lee will be in gates and utterly pummel him.

      Still, two sharingan means two sharingan.The full potentiel of the sharingan is used with two eyes, so...

      Distractions can still happen.

      You did limit the battle area to 15 metres.So dodging in such a close distance probably will be difficult.

      Um, dude.That's what I'm saying.Sasuke figuring out all that was because he's smart.And that's why he can figure this out too. And I said that, because you said that he doesn't know about their full potentiel and such.

      I literally said that Taka Sasuke might.But not Hebi sasuke.Taka Sasuke was filled with hatred, blinding him in his decisions.So yeah,Hebi Sasuke won't lol.

      Um, just because Sasuke didn't show that, doesn't make him not being able to.The sharingan allows one to control someone with genjutsu.And as the matter of fact, he did in the anime with testing out Suigetsu by that lab assistant. The sharingan itself is mainly famous for the very reason of controlling the freaking Nine tails.So yeah, he can control people.Just because he didn't show it, doesn't mean he can't.It's a Sharingan ability.A sharingan that he shown to master, with most of its use.So yeah, he can.

      Oh and I'm pretty sure he controlled Manda.He controlled Manda, allowing him in his mouth and desummoning himself back to there.And we seen Manda with the Sharingan eyes wide awake.So yeah Sasuke controlled Manda.So that's your feat of controlling right there.


      The difference between Team Guy and hebi is that hebi is a group of literal healers.Karin,Suigestu(He doesn't get damaged by most physical attacks),Jugo and Sasuke.And team guy is mainly close combat users.And they can't heal from any of their wounds.

      And the more team guy escapes from those fire releases.The more closer Sasuke gets to Kirin.He actually just needs to keep them at a distance with shooting fire release.And then it's done.

      It's only considering the situation.Why do you think Sasuke would be saving for? He doesn't care much about his summons.If he's in a serious gap.Then Manda comes into play.

      Nit that there are many situations where Team guy wins, there are just many other situations where Hebi wins.So Hebi gets my vote.

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