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  • Sarutobii2
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    12:02, October 28, 2017

    I know she is Sakura`s daughter, but she is also Sasuke`s. She should have the fire release at least by now. It`s supposed to be Uchiha`s signature jutsu, and she is an Uchiha, right? I thought we were done with weak female characters.

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    • Oh yeah, she's definitely weak. Breaking massive amounts of what your standing on is definitely a sign that she is weak. Immediately KO'ing that Genin in the exams? Nah bro weak. /s

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    • Sarada is pretty strong for her age, but what should we expect her to do at this point. And no matter how strong she becomes a good portion of guys would be over her, which sounds pretty sexist, but trust me shounen mangas are all about feeding young guys,apart from exceptions a girl wouldn't be given that much of a character that foreshadows the main guy.

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    • I agree that at the very least in the upcoming manga chapters she should do a little practice with fire style with sasuke.

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    • by now as in the anime, or by now as in the manga? in the anime, only a few people know actual jutsu. around 6 or seven boruto, the purple-haired chick, mitsuki, the held-back kid, chocho, shikadai, and sai's son. that's basically it. but that's cuz they all are around 8 or 9 y/o. in the manga, they are all full fledged genin, and are 12/13 y/o.

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    • Sarada has literally zero screen time. I hope they draw out her fight in the exams to showcase her abilities

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    • Boruto didn't seem to be that OP to me? He has same skill as Sarada in shurikenjutsu. His Nature release though present don't seem to be strong. Infact right now Sarada's monster strength is much better than what Boruto has..

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    • Boruto and Sarada probably won't have the same rival relationship that Naruto and Sasuke had. Let's just say that i don't think that Sarada will be as much as a main character as Sasuke was. Se will be more Sakura-ish in terms of character development i believe.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Boruto didn't seem to be that OP to me? He has same skill as Sarada in shurikenjutsu. His Nature release though present don't seem to be strong. Infact right now Sarada's monster strength is much better than what Boruto has..

      Yes, I agree that he hasn`t developed them yet to be considered strong but Sarada hasn`t even started... Even in the manga where she`s a genin she only has monster strenght while boruto has developed 3 nature transformations to a considerable extent...

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    • You must not read the manga then, because Boruto is easily chunin level right now. Easily. He is actually pretty powerful. I actually started to like to.

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    • How can u know if hes chunnin lvl or not? There arent any chunin to compare him to.

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    • Even if you compare him to the chunins from Naruto's time, he is still chunin level.

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    • Ur basically saying that he can beat shippuden choji, shikamaru, naruto, and whatnot. See what i mean?

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    • The Demon Brothers were also chunins. And also, it's not fair to compare a a 12-13 years old Boruto to 15-16 year old Konoha 11. Boruto could beat most of the original Konoha 12 when they were his age, except for maybe post-rasengan Naruto and Sasuke. He is for all intents and purposes chuunin level. Hinata, Ino, Ten-Ten, Kiba were also chuunins in part 2, yet Boruto could beat them even at this age.

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    • Lol really? Im gettong two vibes oof of u. Maybe three. First vibe- ir a boruto hyper/ wanker to some extent.... Second vibe- ur a lowballer (or maybe u just dont remember feats that are too old, compared to newer, boruto era feats).... Third vibe- u just have no idea of what ur talking bout.... All of these are very probable imo

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    • Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: Lol really?

      For part1-early part2?

      Hinata had a lot of potential but lacked significant guts to use it. Boruto would fairly easily take her on.

      Ino is simply very weak on her own. She needs teamwork to really shine. Boruto would easily defeat her.

      Tenten was nothing special. Kiba was somewhat powerful though in the end some trickery and Taijutsu beat him, meaning that he wasn't that powerful either.

      Assuming he actually pushed through, Neji would kick his ass in a second. Sasuke depends, with his initial Curse Seal he was pretty handicapped but he would quickly grow into power.

      Most of the k12 weren't particularly powerful as genin. They had guts and some powerful team combo's, but individually weren't that great. Boruto on the other hand has shown to have natural talent and strength, although he's already a few years behind schedule to beat e.g. Itachi.

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    • Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: Lol really? Im gettong two vibes oof of u. Maybe three. First vibe- ir a boruto hyper/ wanker to some extent.... Second vibe- ur a lowballer (or maybe u just dont remember feats that are too old, compared to newer, boruto era feats).... Third vibe- u just have no idea of what ur talking bout.... All of these are very probable imo

      Lol, ok. So, a guy who mastered the rasengan, can throw the ransegan, can also throw an invisible ransegan, can actually use 3 different chakra natures and even combine them, who is pretty good in taijutsu, was trained by Sasuke of all people in shuriken jutsu and can use lighting enhanced shurikens can't win against the characters i previously mentioned? Also, i swear, Neji has to be one of the most if not the most overrated character in the whole Naruto series by the fandom. He would also lose.

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    • so, u basically described pts sasuke for me, but instead of a chidori u put a rasengan. but that's the thing. boruto can only make 3 clones, use one rasengan at a time (ps a rasengan who cant hurt a fucking tree, keep in mind), and maybe a win jutsu. what other jutsu can he use that doenst require the kote? and pretty good taijutsu is not a big deal, since he only use the gentle fist, which requires both the byaku and chakra on ur hands to fully work, so his gentle fist is like 1/3 of neji's gentle, which had to be done over 64 times to put even hinata down. and just cuz he was trained by sasuke, it doenst mean he was strong as sasuke, nor that he knew what sasuke knew. u were trained in history by ur teacher in school correct? do u think that because of that, u are as knowledgeable as him in it? and shuriken wont do shit, since they don't even work against sakura, so forget shuriken jutsu. they only work as distraction, and that only works on stupid people, if it occurs at all. lightning wont make it faster, so it still wont hit. lol neji is isn't overrated. that's ur problem. neji was stated to fight a lee who could at least use the 3rd gate at the time, and never, ever loose. and then, technically won against a kurama chakra enhanced Naruto, who was at this point, much stronger than the Naruto who beat haku, who would fucking rape boruto.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Lol, ok. So, a guy who mastered the rasengan, can throw the ransegan, can also throw an invisible ransegan, can actually use 3 different chakra natures and even combine them, who is pretty good in taijutsu, was trained by Sasuke of all people in shuriken jutsu and can use lighting enhanced shurikens can't win against the characters i previously mentioned? Also, i swear, Neji has to be one of the most if not the most overrated character in the whole Naruto series by the fandom. He would also lose.

      How is Neji over-rated? I thought he was the underrated. And Definitely I don't think Boruto has chance of defeating Neji. None of Boruto's attack would get to Neji and vanishing rasengan would probably be one time trick.
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    • @Lorenzo.r.2nd How did Neji won against Naruto when he clearly lost? And if Neji would've fought that rage induced Naruto that fought Haku, he would've been dead no question.

      And please, Boruto literally combined water release and lighting release in the last chapter of the Manga. How would Neji deal against that? He would use the rotation to try and tank it (which is questionable to work), but than Boruto can simply go for a rasengan with a couple shadow clones and that's about it. How could Neji possible beat that? Neji is a close range fighter, and he is battling Boruto, who can throw arguably the strongest A rank jutsu. Neji's biggest thing is his rotation, who got cancelled out by a a slightly nine-tails enhanced Naruto Kunai hit... and you except me to believe that he would be a match for any of Boruto's rasengan attacks? And also Boruto knows about the Byakugan. He trained in the art of gentle fist and knows how it works. He would either be smart enough to fight from longer range, or if he goes close up, he would know what to do in order to not get drastically caught, and he also has his shadow clones to his aid. Look at Boruto's shadow clone work against Shojoji, who i believe is faster than Neji, not to say much faster. Oh, and by the way, Boruto as i said, can now throw his rasengan without vanishing and can also throw his vanishing rasengan. And i can guarantee you that if any of those hits Neji, he is done for.Even if it's just the vanishing one and you want to argue that it's weaker than the regular rasengan. This is Boruto the movie anymore my friends, things have drastically changed.

      And yes, Neji is overrated by the fandom,a lot. Him and Hinata as well. Every time a see a Neji vs Sasuke or Hinata vs Sakura debate, i scratch my eyes.

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    • The Byakugan should be able to see the Rasengan, invisible or not.

      Himawari managed to knock Naruto outcold for like, a week.

      When did Narto's kunai bypass Rotation?

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    • Just because you have the byakugan it doesn't mean you can dodge everything, as seen when Neji got almost killed by some spiders and a spear.

      Give a break with the Himawari gag BS... Naruto got all of his chakra blocked by Neji and still stood up... By your logic, Hokage Naruto is much more weaker than 12 year old Naruto, or 3-4 year old Himawari is waay stronger than Neji. That was just a comedic scene...

      And Naruto's kunai strike did cancel out Neji's rotation. How was that not obvious?

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    • i feel bad for sarada right now she's just sakura with sharingan

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    • Boruto is indeed much stronger than most characters were at his age, with exceptions like Itachi etc. Why? Simple, he is the main character. Naruto was also the main character and OP, but by different means. Naruto was OP through having been given hacks like Kurama and Sage of Six Paths buffs... and since Boruto can't have those, he was given actual power and talent of his own by the writers instead.

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    • LegionZero wrote: The Byakugan should be able to see the Rasengan, invisible or not.

      Say it to Momoshiki, who somehow missed the invisible Rasengan despite possessing both Byakugan and Rinnegan.

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    • As i said, Sarada won't get the same character treatment like Sasuke, who unlike her, was like the second most important character, and ho was directly scaled with the main character (Naruto) in power as well. Sarada takes maybe the 4th place in character importance in Boruto, so her build will be more Sakura-like importance.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Naruto was OP through having been given hacks like Kurama and Sage of Six Paths buffs... and since Boruto can't have those, he was given actual power and talent of his own by the writers instead.

      The Anime also suggests that the academy is actually useful now, unlike in Naruto's time. Remember how they were supposed to graduate on the clone jutsu, a jutsu so useless Sakura used it once and it was seen through instantly?

      There's also the fact that Boruto had good teachers, unlike Naruto. Naruto could've been WAY more powerful if he'd actually been taught proper in the first place.

      Mcpowa wrote: i feel bad for sarada right now she's just sakura with sharingan

      I think she's pretty powerful, although she suffers from not having very flashy abilities. Sharingan+ chakra strength is ridiculously powerful.

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    • Vados: gag or not it is possible to knock him unconscious befoe he goes Kurama mode. Unlikely, but possible. Neji's mistake was leaving Naruto conscious to gloat.

      Raven: Momoshiki assumed the Jutsu failed and stopped paying attention.

      Back to Sarada, I have only been reading the manga and thus far Boruto is the only one to get screentime.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Raven: Momoshiki assumed the Jutsu failed and stopped paying attention.

      If Momoshiki could see the Rasengan in invisible state, he surely wouldn't have stopped paying attention. Plus, just to note, Byakugan is supposed to have a nearly 360 vision, so Momoshiki should've noticed it even while having his head turned in another direction.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Just because you have the byakugan it doesn't mean you can dodge everything, as seen when Neji got almost killed by some spiders and a spear.

      Give a break with the Himawari gag BS... Naruto got all of his chakra blocked by Neji and still stood up... By your logic, Hokage Naruto is much more weaker than 12 year old Naruto, or 3-4 year old Himawari is waay stronger than Neji. That was just a comedic scene...

      And Naruto's kunai strike did cancel out Neji's rotation. How was that not obvious?

      Didn't Naruto attack land before Neji could properly execute rotation.
      Also Naruto didn't get hit at any vital points against neji. Himmawari hit a vital spot. Same thing happened to Kidomaru who started bleeding when he got hit by distant Gentle Fist. I Don't think their is any way Boruto would win against Neji even as he is now in manga.

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    • @killman true but they need to give her some katon or something,dnt make sarada another tsunade

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    • yeah, like people said, boruto had proper training, and was taguh the same tihngs as Naruto, but when he was 8, while it took Naruto almost twice as many years as that to learn any of those. to u see the difference between how much better Naruto's generation was? they were taught less things, in less time, and had a shorter time to adapt to it, and are still stronger than most boruto characters. how sad is that?

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    • @raven: momoshiki didn't use the Byakugan for combat in the movie or manga.

      Sarada should be lightning Tsunade XD. Electro megapunching everything. Her fists would peirce anything.

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    • LegionZero wrote: @raven: momoshiki didn't use the Byakugan for combat in the movie or manga.

      Even the trivia point in Momoshiki's article states that in the manga Momoshiki is depicted with veinless Byakugan, which means that he really did use it. Moreover, I don't see Momoshiki reacting on Sasuke's Ameno assault from the back if he didn't actually see it with 360 Byakugan vision.

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    • LegionZero wrote:

      Vados: gag or not it is possible to knock him unconscious befoe he goes Kurama mode. Unlikely, but possible. Neji's mistake was leaving Naruto conscious to gloat.

      Yea. Neji had all of Naruto's tenketsu blocked and could've finished the fight then and there, but in stead waited while Naruto was gathering more chakra. Even in later fights Naruto was tanking insane damage before he could call upon Kurama's chakra, and even then only when the fight hit Naruto on a deep emotional level.

      LegionZero wrote: Raven: Momoshiki assumed the Jutsu failed and stopped paying attention.

      More importantly, i think the jutsu failed full stop. The energy of the rasengan is, in the end, delivered entirely as a powerful blow of air with no chakra in it whatsoever. Boruto's Vanishing Rasengan is really his attempt at a rasengan, which is then thrown and fades away since it lacks the crucial final steps. Apparently, small amounts of wind release allow it to be thrown, and it's apparently those small amounts of wind release that give it a longer kick than expected.

      Mcpowa wrote: @killman true but they need to give her some katon or something,dnt make sarada another tsunade

      I think Tsunade is stronger than most people give her credit for. It's just that her style is fairly basic (though insanely reliable), whereas flashy ninjutsu is often considered "stronger". besides, people like Naruto constantly get compared to others, whereas i'm having trouble remembering if anyone ever said that Tsunade was stronger/faster/had more chakra than someone else. And besides, the series hardly ever does repeat-comparisons. IE Kisame was considered a tailless tailed beast due to his chakra, yet people with comparatively insane chakra had no such comments. Madara for instance must've had biju-levels of chakra.

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: Even the trivia point in Momoshiki's article states that in the manga Momoshiki is depicted with veinless Byakugan, which means that he really did use it.

      Agreed. The look in his eye is clearly there, the veins aren't. Not sure what the veins really did to the dojutsu, it's probably the weirdest aspect of the Byakugan. I mean, even a transplant shows those veins, what's up with that?

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    • I think Kisame was called a Tailed Beast without a tail for more than one reason. First, enormous amount of chakra. Second, his semi-animal/monster appearance. Third, his ability to merge with Samehada to become an actual shark monster.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I think Kisame was called a Tailed Beast without a tail for more than one reason. First, enormous amount of chakra. Second, his semi-animal/monster appearance. Third, his ability to merge with Samehada to become an actual shark monster.

      True. But madara only weakly implies that Tsunade's seal contains a massive amount of chakra (he implies it's Hashirama-levels), but nobody goes on to say that she has biju-levels of chakra in her seal. Madara and Obito were able to fight comparable to a Jinchuriki, but nobody said they had biju-levels of chakra.

      It's this weird thing where only occasionally such comparisons get made, and once made everyone else that matches it is never mentioned.

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    • LOL what do you expect the Naruto/Boruto franchise have always been sexist. Also it's a shounen manga which means they will never ever disappoint their sexist male fan demographic because having a female character that is on par with the male characters threatens their manhood. Even tho this time they actually created a female character worthy of becoming the strongest character in all of the manga series and redeeming themselves it's such a risky move for them to actually display her full potential. She can use lightning release tho that is confirmed in the manga...

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    • How is the Naruto/Boruto series sexist...? Kaguya was/is arguably the strongest Naruto character ever, and she's a woman.

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    • TaytayBeynippy wrote: LOL what do you expect the Naruto/Boruto franchise have always been sexist.

      I think kishimoto has said in the past that he's not good with writing female characters. The same with romance. Which is why he wrote so little about that.

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    • does anybody know how sarada got ration? like is it explained anywhere? cuz in the gaiden, she just uses it outta nowhere. can somebody please explain this?

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    • Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: does anybody know how sarada got ration? like is it explained anywhere? cuz in the gaiden, she just uses it outta nowhere. can somebody please explain this?

      Where exactly does she use it?

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    • in the games, and stuff. where does that raiton came from?

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    • I mean, it's in her character profile in the manga, but other than that?

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    • yeah, like, how did she learn it? from who?

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    • Nothing in or around the scene where Momo absorbs Kinshiki suggests he was using the Byakugan.

      Matter of fact anything that didn't happen in the direction he was looking in caught him offguard.

      Ask any admin around here and they will say that not everything on the wiki is correct. That trivia does not even have a source cited.

      Raven: what ameno assault are you talking about?

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    • LegionZero wrote: Nothing in or around the scene where Momo absorbs Kinshiki suggests he was using the Byakugan. Matter of fact anything that didn't happen in the direction he was looking in caught him offguard. Ask any admin around here and they will say that not everything on the wiki is correct. That trivia does not even have a source cited. Raven: what ameno assault are you talking about?

      Are you sure Momoshiki wasn't using Byakugan? Because it would seem a waste of useful ability.

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    • @LegionZero Sasuke swapped places with his sword and tried to attack Momoshiki from behind, but instead got hit back by Momo.

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    • I am very sure. Any attack that came from out of his line of sight hit him unless he turned around to counter it. The only exception is in the movie when he hit Sasuke behind him, but then immediately afterward fails to see Naruto and his gigantic Rasengan through the smoke until he makes noise. In the manga his reaction to Sasuke was explained as him predicting Sasukes next move(in the translation I read anyways).

      It's almost seems as if he doesn't possess the ability to see 360 or xray. Maybe because of his lack of training/practice with it?

      Back to the topic, considering that Sarada plans on becoming Hokage, and Boruto intends to be her shadow, I don't think she is going to end up on the backburner, especially when she has has the Sharingan and part of the Uchihax clan. So far everyone in Team Konahamaru has had their own mini-arc, and Sarada kicked some ass in hers. So far she looks to have the highest destructive capacity on her team. Once Boruto stops hogging the panel/screentime then we will get to see some coolness from Sarada and Mitsuki.

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    • That's actually a good point. If he would've seen 360, he should've seen the real Boruto charging towards him with a rasengan 10 times his size.

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    • There is a lot he should have seen coming but he didn't, which leads me back to my point: he doesn't use Byakugan for combat.

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    • LegionZero wrote: There is a lot he should have seen coming but he didn't, which leads me back to my point: he doesn't use Byakugan for combat.

      Like what?

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    • LegionZero wrote: Back to the topic, considering that Sarada plans on becoming Hokage, and Boruto intends to be her shadow, I don't think she is going to end up on the backburner, especially when she has has the Sharingan and part of the Uchihax clan. So far everyone in Team Konahamaru has had their own mini-arc, and Sarada kicked some ass in hers. So far she looks to have the highest destructive capacity on her team. Once Boruto stops hogging the panel/screentime then we will get to see some coolness from Sarada and Mitsuki.

      Considering how easily she can become insanely powerful with just a few minor abilities, i think they're taking the safe road here.

      I mean, that enhanced strength was something that Sakura could do at the start of part 2, with a destructive capability that is comparable if not exceeds that of the Rasengan. Couple that with a Sharingan, and you have a low-chakra, insanely reliable combo that could oneshot any of her peers with ease. Coupling this with techniques like fireball or chidori and you would have someone who is WAY too powerful for her age.

      Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: yeah, like, how did she learn it? from who?

      She hasn't used it in the Manga or Anime, so we don't know if she's already learned it (also meaning that she may not have yet been taught). If she already knows then Kakashi comes to mind as a possible teacher, although it's entirely possible that Sakura taught her (knowing and doing are two different things after all).

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    • Sarada will be the strongest female character in Naruto but will she reach boruto lvl? dont think so.

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    • The sad thing is we have nothing to gauge adult Boruto's strength. For all we know he is leagues below Naruto, and Konohagakure (kind of inclined to believe the other villages were destroyed as well) was destroyed after some long prolonged conflict with the Otsutsuki, not Kawaki.

      Kawaki could have killed Naruto yes, but if that's happening it would be a heavily injured and already weakened Naruto.

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    • UntappedRage wrote: The sad thing is we have nothing to gauge adult Boruto's strength. For all we know he is leagues below Naruto, and Konohagakure (kind of inclined to believe the other villages were destroyed as well) was destroyed after some long prolonged conflict with the Otsutsuki, not Kawaki.

      Considering the village isn't a giant smoking crater (see Pain's attack) but in stead we see battle damage, numerous smaller craters and smoke and destruction everywhere, i think it's fairly clear that some sort of protracted fight took place, not some giant showdown.

      We know nothing about adult boruto because it was just a teaser to keep fans talking (which is both what a teaser is for, and boy it worked wonders).

      Mcpowa wrote: Sarada will be the strongest female character in Naruto but will she reach boruto lvl? dont think so.

      Considering her abilities, she's already beyond Boruto in pure strength. The issue is that while Sakura or Hinata were fairly strong, they lacked both the screentime to prove it and the variety of abilities to show they could handle multiple situations. I mean we saw Naruto and Sasuke wrestle themselves out of all sorts of binds and awkward situations, but Sakura mostly does one of two things: either straight-up punch people or back out of a fight to heal people.

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    • @Killman who do u think wins boruto or sarada 1v1?

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    • Mcpowa wrote: @Killman who do u think wins boruto or sarada 1v1?

      Sarada for sure.(my opinion)

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    • Mcpowa wrote: @Killman who do u think wins boruto or sarada 1v1?

      Assuming she can use her Sharingan with some capability (e.g. not like the anime where she faints after a 5-second use), then Sarada. With her strength, beating those clones is fairly easy. His thrown rasengan isn't the most reliable ranged tool, meaning that he needs to get close to really hurt Sarada and getting close is where Sarada wins.

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    • Boruto with clones alone was fast enough to get on naruto´s back (even if he was holding)wht can sarada do to counter vanishing rasengan or rasengan?

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    • Mcpowa wrote: Boruto with clones alone was fast enough to get on naruto´s back (even if he was holding)wht can sarada do to counter vanishing rasengan or rasengan?

      The sharingan can predict and analyze. For one, it wouldn't be that hard to predict the trajectory of a rasengan, vanishing or not. The rasengan being thrown is also horrible as a long-range attack because it's small. It means there's plenty of time to dodge. It's useful mid-range, but mid-range is also where Sarada's power shines, and with her Sharingan gets more out of the shorter ranges and reaction times than Boruto.

      As to Boruto's speed, we have no idea how hard Naruto was trying here, so i find any comparison to that fairly meaningless.

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    • the only way to sarada win is she lands a direct hit and her shock waves are to weak to knock any1 down only reason the shins got kd (temporarily) because they were off guard.

      boruto can easily counter why cuz hes faster,better in cqc(boruto defeated 4 ninjas faster then she did vs 2)

      if she tries to hit him in cqc boruto can easily use the rasengan to clash against her fist(yes boruto rasengan got better feats chapter 14 page45)

      boruto is faster thus dodges any ground pound and uses suiton+ raiton and fries her.

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    • Mcpowa wrote: the only way to sarada win is she lands a direct hit and her shock waves are to weak to knock any1 down

      She literally punched a kid at least 10+m into a wall, which instantly cracked and showed an impact crater.

      I'm sure she has the strength

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    • not saying she doesn't have strenght and that kid dashed straight to her

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    • Sarada's strength would punch through boruto's body straight in so there's no way boruto can be called stronger since she could beat him to the ground anyday.

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    • if u mean stronger in physical terms(ces) yes she is other then tht nope

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    • Sleeping in Sarada here. Boruto doesnt have the durability to withstand a hit from her and he has almost no counter to the Sharingan. Anyone with half a brain who has seen the V. Rasengan could side step it, especially a Sharingan user. She has outclassed Boruto since the start of the series and there isnt much to suggest that Boruto has surpassed her.

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    • Mcpowa wrote: if u mean stronger in physical terms(ces) yes she is other then tht nope

      Yes. But I think she'd surpass him in ninjutsu because of her uzumaki clan + indra avatar blood in her since indra invented lots of ninjutsu and uzumaki clan has sealing jutsu proficiency and also sensory skills. Her Mother isn't Sakura bcuz of the DNA Test

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    • @Legion dam we must be watching different series lol

      didn't one episode showed the overall status of the students meanwhile wasn't boruto was above sarada?

      Didn't tht girl(4gt the name) in one episode was next to konohamaru said she was impressed with boruto and iwabe i think

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    • Mcpowa wrote: dam we must be watching different series lol

      didn't one episode showed the overall status of the students meanwhile wasn't boruto was above sarada?

      Didn't tht girl(4gt the name) in one episode was next to konohamaru said she was impressed with boruto and iwabe i think

      Actually I didnt watch boruto anime or read the manga, I just enlightened myself with its information; I didnt read in detail. Also I said "I think she'd surpass" not she has already surpassed since I believe sarada has way more potential in mastering ninjutsu than boruto.

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    • @Natrix if u didnt watch manga/anime give it a try u might enjoy and learn new stuff

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    • Mcpowa wrote: @Natrix if u didnt watch manga/anime give it a try u might enjoy and learn new stuff

      I will. Thanks for recommending:)

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    • Does the class ranking mean that much though? Naruto scored the worst while Sakura and Sasuke were on top and Sasuke had to cheat his way to being strong and Sakura was almost useless.

      Shes way further ahead than Sakura was and there is NO proof that she is significantly weaker or falling behind Boruto to the point where she is fodder.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Does the class ranking mean that much though? Naruto scored the worst while Sakura and Sasuke were on top and Sasuke had to cheat his way to being strong and Sakura was almost useless.

      Considering Sasuke took on and was hurting Gaara quite badly, something that was said to have never happened before, i think it's fairly clear that Sasuke was quite strong. And Kakashi suggested he wasn't even near the limit of his strength.

      Besides, i think the point is being missed here: i think they're closer in strength than people give her credit for, it's just that Sarada's style hits harder at the ranges that they want to fight at.

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    • Not saying shes a fodder she´s strong but yeah not on boruto lvl right now

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    • @killman: he mostly hurt Gaara because of Chidori, which was tought to him largely so he wouldnt use the Curse Mark.

      Mcpowa: prove it? You claim she is so outclassed but there is legit nothing to suggest she would even lose against Boruto. Their skillsets are totally different, but neither one has been shown to be better/worse than the other to any degree. Boruto has range but Sarada has the brute strengtg and the Sharingan to help close the distance and use it.

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    • she will and i allrdy said how read the above

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    • Pretty sure Boruto will outclass her in the future easy. Jougan is looking like one hell of a eye. Personally I'm glad cause I'm tired of sharingan.The series even started with a dude that had sharingan all over his fcking head, ENOUGH. Let other clans and like the hyuga shine for once.

      As of right now Boruto possess clones and hyuga style taijutsu(a way more technical fighting style) along with multiple nature releases. He has more options and can take a way more complex and tactical approach than just yelling shannnerrooo with brute strength.

      Even with sharingan it doesnt equal GG. The eye isnt invincible and can be tricked through conditioning and feints.

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    • Powerdragon6 wrote: Pretty sure Boruto will outclass her in the future easy. Jougan is looking like one hell of a eye.

      Based on what? it was able to see a spirit and the spirit's chakra network. It doesn't even have basic byakugan features like 360 and x-ray visions. It doesn't have analysis and tracking like the Sharingan.

      LegionZero wrote: @killman: he mostly hurt Gaara because of Chidori, which was tought to him largely so he wouldnt use the Curse Mark.

      That doesn't change anything about the fact that Sasuke was strong, could learn advanced jutsu fairly easily and massively improved his taijutsu in a month. Kakashi even says that if he would rely on the curse mark, his development would end, suggesting that Sasuke was far from his limit.

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    • People actually think Sadara would beat Boruto at this point?

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    • btw didn't boruto saw btween dimensions? he saw denki while he was at the Nue hideout right

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Powerdragon6 wrote: Pretty sure Boruto will outclass her in the future easy. Jougan is looking like one hell of a eye.

      Based on what? it was able to see a spirit and the spirit's chakra network. It doesn't even have basic byakugan features like 360 and x-ray visions. It doesn't have analysis and tracking like the Sharingan.

      Um probably based on the fact that it will do things like the byakugan but even more extraordinary? We already know that it can see changes in chakra and the chakra pathway system, this opens the possibility of gentle fist. Attacking chakra points to increase, decrease, or even stop chakra flow. Which is what things like monster strength is all about.

      And we know that his eye possibly reacts or connects with other dimensions. Personally, I think Borutos chakra nature isn't the usual. I think it's space/time, which is why his rasengan dissapears like that.

      We also see that it will have some sort of use in combat. He activates it along with that curse mark from killing a "god" before re-engaging kawaki. It will be dojutsu that has some combat prowess, dont worry.
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    • Awfully big talk from someone who doesnylt know where the show is going.

      Sharingan is stronger than the Byakugan anyways, and the Jogan being a slightly amped Byakugan still doesnt give it any inherent advantage over the Sharingan.

      You are also using the term "chakra nature" wrong.

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    • No, we just have a lot more information on the sharingan. The whole uchiha clan has an immense amount of lore, characters, and eye techniques while other clans like the hyuga were tossed aside. They love the uchiha thus they expanded on their universe. Specifically on individuals who awakened the sharingan to higher levels, ms and ems.

      While EVERYONE else were just jobbers appearently.

      We have the opportunity here to expand on the hyuga clan with not only the eyes, but the many techniques the clan possess like rotation, twin lion fist, air palm, etc.

      Of course, Sarada will unlock 3 tomoes at one point but will she go beyond that? Dont worry, there will be some clutch method implented just for her to go beyond.

      We know indeed that the sharingan is no doubt a powerful eye but we have seen one of the best Sharingan users, Sasuke, get fooled and conditioned by a person who doesn't, Naruto, with just shadow clones and faking hand signs. Why wouldnt an individual like Boruto be able to do this to sarada with shadow clones and Jogan.

      And I'm using the term chakra nature just fine, thank you.

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    • Powerdragon6 wrote: No, we just have a lot more information on the sharingan. The whole uchiha clan has an immense amount of lore, characters, and eye techniques while other clans like the hyuga were tossed aside. They love the uchiha thus they expanded on their universe. Specifically on individuals who awakened the sharingan to higher levels, ms and ems.

      Even though your previous comment was not exactly clear, this one does makes sense, the Uchihas are considered powerful because obviously the 2 of the 3 final villains and the anti-hero or parallel protagonist was an uchiha. Even Aburame or Akimchis are supposed to be really powerful but they got little to no mention, so we kinda act like they are really weak. Its basically how the plot focuses on specific object, so I agree with your quote.

      Btw when I say Akimchi or Aburame are supposed to be strong , I dont mean stronger than hyugas or uchihas

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    • Sharingan's powerset is stronger than the Byakugan, sure the Gentle Fist is strong but a Sharingan user isnt likely to get hit by it because its powers are overall superior. So far the Byakugan and Jogan only allow the user to see more stuff, but the Sharingan grants predictive, hypnotic, copy, hypnotic, and illusionary abilities, and that is pre-Mangekyou. Unless the Jogan counters any of those abilities then it can't compete very easily, if at all. At best, Gentle Fist user is on the defense, if at all considering the hypnosis part.

      Neji, the most gifted of the Hyuga, and even Kaguya with the Byakugan and the Rinne Sharingan were fooled by shadow clones and what not so that is irrelevent sooo still no actual advantage over the Sharingan.

      Unless a Byakugan/Gentle Fist user outclasses a Sharingan user to the point where they can blitz them before they can react then they cant get get close quarters.

      Chakra nature is the 5 elements, yin, and yang. There isnt a space-time or Jogan chakra nature. So no, you are not using the term right.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Sharingan's powerset is stronger than the Byakugan, sure the Gentle Fist is strong but a Sharingan user isnt likely to get hit by it because its powers are overall superior.

      I think a bit of context is important here: the Byakugan is pretty powerful as well. the Sharingan may have a higher power ceiling here, but few people reach that. Kakashi's use and Itachi's use were considered abnormal, while Guy had learned to fight the Sharingan while avoiding it's genjutsu alltogether. Jutsu combinations can also make a big difference, as Chidori + Sharingan has a much stronger synergy than say, Sharingan + fireball jutsu.

      Secondly, the Byakugan's theoretical power limit is MUCH higher than has ever been displayed. Especially the all-tenketsu stuff is insanely powerful, and elemental combinations together with Hyuga jutsu may raise the power of those jutsu significantly.

      And lastly, the Sharingan is more of a combat eye, whereas the Byakugan is far more about everything but the fight. Hinata's team was able to navigate the forest of death easily by detecting threats first and gauging their strength. Neji, Hinata and other Hyuga members have consistently shown that the Byakugan is godlike for information gathering. The Sharingan just can't match this. But like my previous points, this power has rarely been put to full use.

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    • Neji's use was was considered abnormal/high and his feats are way below what Sasuke was capable of around the same time. We have seen the upper limits of the Byakugan.

      Like you said, Sharingan is the better combat eye. In a fight of a Sharingan user of similar level takes the win. Short of elemental Kekkei Genkai, a Byakugan user won't be able to do much.

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    • I disagree the Byakugan gives the user a near 360º diameter field of vision. The range of this vision varies between users and can be improved with training. And I dont think you understand. When your in range, you're in mother fcking range. Their whole tool kit is traditionally designed to get in close, they will close the gap against a sharingan user.

      Byakugan is also able to follow high-speed movements, which allows the wielder to analyse their opponent's actions, and allows the user to predict and better react to them just like the sharingan so stop trying to act like this is the end all be all advantage for the sharingan user, but the hyuga are obviously way faster and dangerous in taijutsu department when it comes to their gentle fist. They literally developed a fighting style around their dojutsu, even a ranged technique. When kidomaru was raining spiders down at neji that was literally HIS range, he saw these things in slow motion. A powerful enough user can even see through one's thoughts and feelings, which Kaguya performed to such a level that even Hamura proved incapable of repelling with his Byakugan. It also can tell where genjutsu is coming from as well as if it's being used on oneself or the caster. Hinata proves this when she confirmed that obitos phashing technique was NOT GENJUTSU. Even Ao did this.

      Im sorry but having a Sharingan doesn’t guarantee "overall superiority". Especially in combat. As for the Jogan, cmon now. This thing is gonna be hella powerful. Especially if its some amped up byakugan that you so nonchalantly mention.

      And please pay attention to what I write, what I mentioned about Boruto's chakra nature was a theory. I said I dont think his nature will be the usual, as in fire, water, wind blah blah blah

      I think it's going to be space-time because he maybe unconciously implementing it into his rasengan along with the fact that Jogan reacts/connects with other dimensions. Which is obviously a whole new thing in itself. But thats just theory.

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    • Byakugan does not have high speed tracking or predictability powers. If you are reading that from the wiki page, check the chapter cited because it is not stated or shown in in the manga.

      Neji did not see anything in slow motion. That was his perception because HE moves that fast. The Byakugan has nothing to do with it other than widening his field of vision.

      Where are you getting this stuff about Kaguya and Hamura because that was not in the manga.

      Seeing a if a genjutsu is being used or where it is coming from doesnt mean that a Byakugan user cant get cought in one.

      Gentle fist is useless against the Sharingan because the Sharingans ability to predict movements means that the strikes will be blocked or diverted, unless the Byakugan user is significantly faster than the Sharingan user.

      Vanishing Rasengan was confirmed to be due to wind nature.

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    • Byakugan does give eye clarity dude. Here
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      And why is being able to read a persons chakra fluctuations not count as anticipation/prediction?

      Even Sasuke a person with the sharingan relied on karin a person who can read chakra, similar to the byakugan, when they were fighting killer bee.
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      This is also mentioned in Boruto episode 8. Yes I am using that cause at this point everything said about any clan in manga/anime that is not uchiha is legit af. We never got to expand on their universe, so I'll take the crumbs

      And of course they can get caught in a genjutsu but you dont think a user of the byakugan who can carefully control their tenketsu all over themselves, can't control the tenketsu in the brain? Besides they would be able to already see that the caster is trying to prep genjutsu, fluctuations in their chakra will give that away.

      And yes neji being fast certainly helps but THAT doesnt matter if one cant REACT. The byakugan is clearly gives you a sense/perception.

      Byakugan sees everything. They dont have to turn their head or follow movement. Its common sense. Plus this Sharingan ability to track and predict comes from subtle chakra changes that Sharingan picks up on and . Byakugan sees all this and more because the enemy is never out of sight.

      And dude cmon I already know all about Borutos rasengan. Stop telling me the obvious. Trying to explain to me what chakra natures are and that his already his rasengan is already confirmed wind pfft. I STILL have a theory. There is something unusual, espcially with the fact that it disappears. I have theory, that is all, with me? Will probably be never mentioned besides what sasuke said in the manga and what not but yeah just leave that alone.

      And yes, most likely the byakugan user will be significantly faster and skilled than the sharingan user due to hyuga style taijutsu. So the sharingan user wont have an "easy" time diverting and blocking the attacks due to them being in range AND the fact that the attacks aren't only external. They are internal as well.

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    • Byakugan does not have predictability powers. It allows them to better presict what will happen based on the information given but the Sharingan literally sees thing before they happen because it is sensative enough to see changes in muscle tension. Byakugan doesnt have that kind of detail perception, it widens field of vision and can see chakra. Thats about it. But since you are so bent on this ability. Name a chapter or Boruto episode where its stated or shown that Byakugan grants clarity and predictability.

      Neji's Byakugan didnt do anything other than allow him to see his targets. The Byakugan didn't give him any other sensory information. Neji's own speed and reactions times did the rest. Sasuke relied on Karin to feel where B was. That is not what the Byakugan does. It sees it.

      The difference between the Sharingan and Byakugan/sensory that you seem to be missing is that the Byakugan/Sensors are making judgement calls to guess what the opponant will do next based on the information they recieve. The Sharingan sees what will happen next and tells the user. Check the VOTE1 fight and see the difference between a Sharingan makes. It was able to see Ninetails enhancances Narutos movements while Neji was put on the defensive against a lesser enhanced Naruto, while Neji was supposed to be a whole year Sasukes senior

      There is nothing to suggest that Gentle fist user are inherently faster than a Sharigan user. The Gentle fist still needs to make physical contact to do actual damage. Remember when Shikadai stopped Boruto from palm thrusting him in the face and was completely fine even though the attack was a few inches from his face? Remember how Hinata and Neji went back and forth and until Neji actually hit her?

      Gentle Fist has 1 mid range move that can be dodged so long as they are in the Sharingan users field of vision. Most Sharingan users have shuriken jutsu and fire style to launch a long range counter attack.

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    • Powerdragon6 wrote:

      Byakugan sees everything. They dont have to turn their head or follow movement. Its common sense. Plus this Sharingan ability to track and predict comes from subtle chakra changes that Sharingan picks up on and . Byakugan sees all this and more because the enemy is never out of sight.

      I just want to clear this up: The Byakugan can observe things. It indeed doesn't need to track their target like the Sharingan because the opponent is never out of vision. However, it doesn't actually give predictive capacity like the Sharingan. For one, it couldn't pick up Naruto switching places with a Clone during a fight. On the other hand, we've seen that the Sharingan can't easily keep track of what it doesn't see, e.g. Sasuke's eyes couldn't physically keep up with Bee's many attacks at close range.

      Powerdragon6 wrote: And dude cmon I already know all about Borutos rasengan. Stop telling me the obvious. Trying to explain to me what chakra natures are and that his already his rasengan is already confirmed wind pfft. I STILL have a theory. There is something unusual, espcially with the fact that it disappears.

      Not sure what you're aiming at here. Boruto's rasengan contains wind release. It disappeared because the jutsu failed, that's all. The trick is just that the energy of the rasengan doesn't instantly disappear but is carried through the air. That invisible blow doesn't contain any chakra.

      LegionZero wrote: Name a chapter or Boruto episode where its stated or shown that Byakugan grants clarity and predictability.

      Before their fight, Neji reads Hinata like a book, based upon fairly small details. It's not as insane as the sharingan's "i can read any handsign no matter how fast", but the Byakugan does give good vision. Plus it's ability to see far, as well as tenketsu suggests it gives a level of detail greater than merely human vision.

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    • In all reality, Neji didnt the the Byakugan to analyze Hinata's movements. He was standing like 10 feet from her and already knew her personality and even possibly her habits. The only detail he called out that he would have missed was her eye movements but everything else could be seen with the naked eye. He was using it to intimidate her and be an asshole.

      The basic principle of the 2 eyes

      Byakugan: allows you to look at more

      Sharingan: allows you to percieve more

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    • good thing tht boruto doujutsu is jougan right xD

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    • Mcpowa wrote: good thing tht boruto doujutsu is jougan right xD

      We think. It's not really an official confirmation by any means, since we got that from an animator.

      It still sounds lame to me.

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    • You're right, it's not fair. It's kinda obvious that Kishimoto was aiming to make Sarada at the same level as Boruto as the next "Sasuke", despite her gender. She seemed more mature and I thought she would be the first female character to actually have a deep, thoughtful backstory. She's not chasing after boys, she seems like an actual person with their own ambitions and dreams! She was really interesting as she wasn't just like Sasuke however, she's inherited Sakura's strength and temper and determination to DO something useful. lol. Always, the male characters get some character development when the subject changes to someone they wish to protect. When was the last time a FEMALE CHARACTER GOT THAT TREATMENT? Protecting her mother is just a noble, strong thing to do! I see she's really determined, and I like that. The movie was okay too.

      Then Kishimoto gave his ideas to others, and they've messed her up. Ikemoto has dressed Sarada up in short skirts, when she's definitely not the type to do so. She's not trying to impress anyone, she's intelligent and mature. She's mostly modest and polite to those around her. She's not flirty, she's not looking for men, she's independent, she won't stand for anyone making her inferior to ANYBODY, and if she likes someone, they're ON PAR WITH HER SKILLS. They've CHANGED HER CHARACTER ENTIRELY!!!! The next generations anime is not giving her due as well. Because she's a girl, she's not shown as much as Boruto is with his friends. Inojin has literally NO relevance in this story right now. And I'd expect Sarada to have more revelance in Boruto's life right now. They're going to be rivals, right?

      The whole Kagura arc is kinda stupid because Sarada has an oppurtunity to meet someone with a high position her own age (could become the next Mizukage) and could start a whole network and alliance. She's supposed to have some sort of Hokage-Mizukage relationship with Kagura. Instead Boruto is taking that role, as the person who's helped Kagura come to terms with his past. Kagura is all "Then I met Uzumaki Boruto, and I've changed for the better"... IS BORUTO GOING TO BE THE NEXT HOKAGE? NO, HE DOESN'T EVEN WANT TO BE. Sarada is going to become Hokage, I'd expect her and Kagura to have some sort of alliance! Then comes all the elemental nature changes. Sarada is supposed to have Lightning Release as well as strength, instead Boruto is given that. You can see plain sexism if Boruto has Rasengan and Chidori, WHEN SARADA IS SASUKE'S DAUGHTER! It could have been Boruto getting the Chidori and Sarada getting the Rasengan or fire release, but it isn't! Is Sarada meant to be on the same level as Boruto, or is he going to be stronger in the end and actually is the unofficial Hokage, and is just passing it on to Sarada because she wishes to be? That's really an awful message. "You're just a figurehead who has this position, and I'm giving it to you because you want it, but we all know who the REAL Hokage is". If that's the reason, the only reason can be plain sexism. Sarada having strength is no joke, though. She expect her to surpass Sakura and Tsunade in that regard as well. She had better have some Earth power capable of destroying the entire world with an Earthquake later! But they don't even give her medical ninjutsu! Mistuki is the only one with that! If Sarada only has super strength in the end, that's limiting her capabilities and potential!!!! IF SHE DOESN'T GET MEDICAL NINJUTSU, THAT. IS. IT. Being a medical ninjutsu prodigy and becoming like Hashirama... if that doesn't happen.... They realllllly hate her.

      Whether she'll surpass her own father and even Naruto is a goal that suits her well and should be obvious, but they don't expand on that, instead giving Boruto that goal and talking about it so much. It's not fair, and I can only hope this will change. They haven't really shown that she is WEAK in the anime yet, just that she's not given enough screentime to show her working as hard as Boruto is. And she is, we all know it. She's Sasuke's and Sakura's daughter after all, don't forget the daughter of one of the currently last and strongest Uchiha clan members/reincarnation of Indra/Shadow Hokage, and the currently youngest, smartest, greatest medical ninja prodigy in the world!

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    • ^Unlike naruto and sasuke who were rivals, I believe kawaki is actually going to be boruto's rival not sarada. And again let's not forget the name of the manga (boruto i.e protagonist) who is facing kawaki at the end. Lemme guess you're a female, calm down it's not that serious she would most likely still end up being hokage.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: How is the Naruto/Boruto series sexist...? Kaguya was/is arguably the strongest Naruto character ever, and she's a woman.

      They're sexist. Kaguya might the strongest character in the whole manga on paper but whatever she displayed was absolutely ludicrous it was nothing compared to what Madara has when she's supposedly stronger then him. Plus Kaguya never thought for her self the whole time a little creature "who is supposedly male" inside her sleeve was thinking for her. They always make women seem secondary in everything.

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    • @taytay: you do realize Black Zetsu is a manifestation of her will right she is basically talking to herself.

      @light: Sarada doesnt need to build connections outside the Leaf. She needs her connections internally. Medical ninja would be a waste of Saradas toolset and natural abilities, she would also break the mold of "team female is medic". Why would she get Rasengan exactly?? Sarada does use lightning release. The only reason we havet seen the full extent of her abilities is because she isnt the title character or more of her activties is because she isnt the title character. Same thing happenes to Sasuke until later in Part 2, and even then we only saw him get powers and then show up later with those powers mastered, no in-between like with Naruto. Sarada also bullies anyone who has come her way so far. I agree about her clothes in the manga though. She kinda looks like a hooker and i cant stand it.

      Naruto has less than stellar female characters but is not sexist:

      Tsunade was cracking Susannoo when even the Raikage couldnt dent it.

      Himawari unlocked the byakugan and bullied Boruto.

      Hanabi is next in line as head of the Hyuga clan and steals the spotlight from her old man to spar with Boruto.

      Sakura actually hits the hardest of anyone in the series, 2nd possibly only to Kaguya. She broke her horn. 9 Bujuu powered Rasenshuriken couldnt do that. Not to mention she knocked her upside the head so hard she was disoriented enough that Sasuke and Naruto were finally able to simultaniously touch her. Yes touch her. She was so strong no one was going to kill her but Sakura managed to give her a cuncussion.

      Speaking of Kaguya, she effectively replaced and stole the spotlight from a man who has been hyped from the beginning of part 2. At least 6 years. Where as Madara was being pushed back by Naruto and Sasuke they could, barely touch her.

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    • Lol, I can't even believe how people can't veiw Sarada as the Second main character of the show or more precisely the 'Sasuke' of the show, or Naruto if you're considering personality.

      Sarada = 1.The 2nd and 3rd main character's daughter.

      2.A wish to become Hokage.

      3.An Uchiha(And you know, the show should fairly be Uchiha shippuden)

      4.Has the sharingan(Literally one of the coolest and the Jutsu that was literally the backbone of the orginal story.

      5.Is Naruto's biggest fan by what we can see.

      6.Shared Naruto's ideal.

      7.Has Naruto as Role Model.

      8.Is a member of the 'new team 7',

      9.Has a little rival like relationship with Boruto.

      10.Had her own Manga arc.Which was if I remember, even before Boruto was shown as the main character on his new manga "Boruto."

      Lol, with all this, Sarada really should have been the main character.But I still like the opposite ninja way, of Boruto, to not become Hokage. with the darker path, and all.

      While Boruto has literally only five factors that make him the main character. His hair colour, his name, his Rasengan and him being the son of the main character(We know how that much went for Gohan).And his name as the show.

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    • Like I said the name of show is boruto not sarada, his final fight (mangawise) is with kawaki and he is the child of the previous main. I am sorry but this isn't naruto 2.0. I'm pretty sure kawaki is the vessel and will probably soon be part of konoha. And if we're going by parallels to the legendary sanin, then "jairya = naruto = boruto, Oro = sasuke = mitsuki, tsunada = Sakura = sarada". Being the daughter of previous secondary characters one of which was the rival of the main doesn't entitle her to being the rival of the current main or secondary character of similar importance. Sarada is not sasuke get over it.

      And it's so annoying nowadays how everyone makes things about race, gender, sexuality etc. the manga is written by a man living in Japan, he writes it how he see fit develops the characters the way he chooses, it's his choice, just like it's your choice not to read and support if you don't like it. Should he change his writing just to please the perceived wrong to feminist, when will it stop, here's a suggestion why don't they make all the ninjas female and the men civilians, then ppl would complain that you don't have any casuals females smh.

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    • I don't believe, I ever said about the series being against females or something.How you got that from my statement is absolutely bizare.

      And just as you said, the show isn't Naruto.02. That means the rival(If he is the rival that is) doesn't have to be the second main character.From what Boruto barely says.He doesn't know much about him.Just his name and such.

      And it really doesn't have to be the last fight.It just can be the most important fight Borutp ever had.That is like Naruto had with Sasuke at part 1.

      Um, are you seriously comparing everyone into whose parent's they came from? Maybe Sarada is Sakura and Tsunade. But Boruto isn't exactly Jiraya or Naruto. His goal is to literally be like Sasuke.Who is now less Oro and more Jirya,Kakashi and Itachi. If anything the Sannin version of Naruto/Jiraya is Sarada, whose Goal is to become the Hokage. While Boruto is more likely to be Sasuke. And Mitsuki, is an odd one.He only has the genetics of Oro.That doesn't make him Oro.If anything, we may see him being a medical ninja for all we know.

      And on the behalf or other, I would like to remind you that everyone is allowed to say their opinion.I believe that the point of this thread.As long as their opinion doesn't hurt the feelings of others.I believe it's cool.

      And for the record.Even I can see the show isn't that fair to female ninjas.If anything, adding a bit of strong and cool female Ninjas for the entirity of the show wouldn't hurt.Infact it would maybe increase more fan interest. As more Female audience will increase for the show.

      It isn't the opinion of me or a couple of people.It's the opinion of many of the readers and auidience.And everyone can ask and complain about whatever they purchase or be audience of.It's only fair.This is just my opinion.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: I don't believe, I ever said about the series being against females or something.How you got that from my statement is absolutely bizare.

      And just as you said, the show isn't Naruto.02. That means the rival(If he is the rival that is) doesn't have to be the second main character.From what Boruto barely says.He doesn't know much about him.Just his name and such.

      And it really doesn't have to be the last fight.It just can be the most important fight Borutp ever had.That is like Naruto had with Sasuke at part 1.

      Um, are you seriously comparing everyone into whose parent's they came from? Maybe Sarada is Sakura and Tsunade. But Boruto isn't exactly Jiraya or Naruto. His goal is to literally be like Sasuke.Who is now less Oro and more Jirya,Kakashi and Itachi. If anything the Sannin version of Naruto/Jiraya is Sarada, whose Goal is to become the Hokage. While Boruto is more likely to be Sasuke. And Mitsuki, is an odd one.He only has the genetics of Oro.That doesn't make him Oro.If anything, we may see him being a medical ninja for all we know.

      And on the behalf or other, I would like to remind you that everyone is allowed to say their opinion.I believe that the point of this thread.As long as their opinion doesn't hurt the feelings of others.I believe it's cool.

      And for the record.Even I can see the show isn't that fair to female ninjas.If anything, adding a bit of strong and cool female Ninjas for the entirity of the show wouldn't hurt.Infact it would maybe increase more fan interest. As more Female audience will increase for the show.

      It isn't the opinion of me or a couple of people.It's the opinion of many of the readers and auidience.And everyone can ask and complain about whatever they purchase or be audience of.It's only fair.This is just my opinion.

      Did I quote you? Or did I say any part of my post was directed specifically to you? I think anyone can see my post consist of two paragraphs 1st paragraph dealt with you and the next was general but I see I will have to quote every time I reply specifically to you so it will be easier for you to follow.

      I'm sure everyone (excluding you) understands my comparison with the sanin, was jairiya and naruto exactly the same? or Oro and sasuke? You do know jairiya was offered the hokage job and he refused right? You do know tsunade was hokage right? Their comparison is who they are most familiar with, even tough boruto idolizes sasuke he is still more like naruto, boruto values friendship and likes to help others just like his father, mitsuki has an obsession just like Oro and sasuke did Oro's being immortality sasuke's was revenge and mitsuki's is boruto not to mention his cold blooded killer instinct like sasuke and Oro, and sarada is more like Sakura than anyone.

      I'm not going back and forth about who's boruto rival or which fight may or may not be his last. Since the writers clearly depicted a showdown between boruto and kawaki not boruto and sarada, and judging by how things look even if it's not his last fight it is one of his most significant. So you are free to believe whatever scenarios you like I will stick with the manga.

      What's this bs about everyone having an opinion, did I tell anyone they can't state their opinion? No I didn't but publicly stating your opinion allows for other persons to state their opinion about what you said, even if the other person's opinion is critical. SO I STATED MY OPINION, which is the writer can develop his character however he choose to, if some ppl view it as sexist then that's their problem.

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    • I can ask the same question.Did I quote you? Or have I ever directly specified my questions to you?Or even better, did my first post even slightly, related to anything you said?

      I was merely talking about their goals. Personalities in Naruto change(Other than the main one's).Sakura was weak and useless.Then she turned herself into a Tsunade, strong and impoetant.While Sasuke orginally was a happy child who turned into a near cold blooded killer, then turned into a cold blooded killer and then to a pschycotic killer and then to a (whatever Danzo would be) and then to a protecter. Basically he may had his killer instinct.But it's long gone And don't take the anime with the Shin clone and things.We know that never happened in the manga.And we already know that he merely asks his evil/destruction lusted opponents to surrender rather than just go and kill them.If what I'm saying doesn't make sense to you.Then I'm sorry.It wouldn't be of any use for me, going on about it.

      And if you read properly, I did say that it could be Boruto's most important fight.I don't know, how you missunderstood that.

      Ninjachris wrote: What's this bs about everyone having an opinion, did I tell anyone they can't state their opinion? No I didn't but publicly stating your opinion allows for other persons to state their opinion about what you said, even if the other person's opinion is critical. SO I STATED MY OPINION, which is the writer can develop his character however he choose to, if some ppl view it as sexist then that's their problem.

      And I stated my opinion about your opinion. Look, I'm sorry, if I was rude to you.But I was merely pointing out that you seemed a bit too frustrated with the opinions of the others.And I then merely said that, their opinion isn't half that bad.If anything It's true.But not the way they say.I say the manga merely lacks any cool and strong female characters.And that the writer should make one or two.Thus giving it kind of a balance.I didn't say he was sexist.

      And here, I'm gonna end my statement.Again, I'm sorry if I was rude.I just wanted to have a good discussion.Just to point my opinion.But now I don't have any time to post back and forth on this discussion.So I'm not gonna reply back.Peace.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: I don't believe, I ever said about the series being against females or something.How you got that from my statement is absolutely bizare.

      You attributed my entire post to you when only the first part was, and everyone will have their opinions about how they would like the manga/anime to be I have mine also, I'm not happy with the way Kishi ended the naruto series but you know what it's his right and I chose to just enjoy it for what it is, they will never be able to please everyone.

      And I also apologize for my tone and rudeness.

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    • LegionZero wrote: @taytay: you do realize Black Zetsu is a manifestation of her will right she is basically talking to herself.

      @light: Sarada doesnt need to build connections outside the Leaf. She needs her connections internally. Medical ninja would be a waste of Saradas toolset and natural abilities, she would also break the mold of "team female is medic". Why would she get Rasengan exactly?? Sarada does use lightning release. The only reason we havet seen the full extent of her abilities is because she isnt the title character or more of her activties is because she isnt the title character. Same thing happenes to Sasuke until later in Part 2, and even then we only saw him get powers and then show up later with those powers mastered, no in-between like with Naruto. Sarada also bullies anyone who has come her way so far. I agree about her clothes in the manga though. She kinda looks like a hooker and i cant stand it.

      Naruto has less than stellar female characters but is not sexist:

      Tsunade was cracking Susannoo when even the Raikage couldnt dent it.

      Himawari unlocked the byakugan and bullied Boruto.

      Hanabi is next in line as head of the Hyuga clan and steals the spotlight from her old man to spar with Boruto.

      Sakura actually hits the hardest of anyone in the series, 2nd possibly only to Kaguya. She broke her horn. 9 Bujuu powered Rasenshuriken couldnt do that. Not to mention she knocked her upside the head so hard she was disoriented enough that Sasuke and Naruto were finally able to simultaniously touch her. Yes touch her. She was so strong no one was going to kill her but Sakura managed to give her a cuncussion.

      Speaking of Kaguya, she effectively replaced and stole the spotlight from a man who has been hyped from the beginning of part 2. At least 6 years. Where as Madara was being pushed back by Naruto and Sasuke they could, barely touch her.

      That doesn't matter whether she created him or not. The fact that she's a god that needed "a male creature" to think for her and speak for her shows how they see women intellectually. Plus she was very hard but absolutely didn't have any cool fighting scene against Naruto and Sasuke at all when what should've happen was something like the "Momoshiki vs Naruto and Sasuke" with her. Sakura's fight against Shin and her fight against Sasori were the only female against male fight that I've felt like it was simply just a fight without any gender bias, but of course they had to follow the manga so they had have her get saved at the end but they made up for that with the rinnegan combo she did with Sasuke. That was basically the only thing that made me slightly think that they might want to redeem themselves but the fact that they're sexist is inevitable.

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    • @Ninjachris

      It's obvious she's going to become Hokage. I just don't want it to be because Boruto "lets" her get the position, even though he actually is the stronger one. Their relationship is not totally like Naruto and Sasuke's, you have a point there. They're connected because of their distant fathers, but they didn't have such a bad past that Boruto or Sarada ended up leaving the Hidden Leaf, so I suppose they are allies deep down. However, based on Boruto's headband being crossed out, it seems he may leave the Hidden Leaf at one point to become rogue. Now that would be interesting, huh! Sarada is the second main character, and Kawaki is going to be the villan, so I wouldn't say he's the second main character in the story like Sasuke was. Obviously Boruto and Kawaki are going to have an interesting, conflicting relationship... possibly they were friends when Boruto left the Hidden Leaf and somehow they've turned into enemies. That causes deep conflict and that would be really interesting to watch. Their relationship is obviously going to be a big part of the story, but I wouldn't say they're RIVALS. Nobody even knows who Kawaki is right now. Currently, he's the main villan of the Boruto franchise, but not the second main character/protagonist. That title still belongs to Sarada, and I want to see her EARN her title as Hokage, not have it be GIVEN to her, even though we all know Boruto is the real Hokage. Lol, that's terrible on her character and Boruto's too. It makes both of them unlikable. They need to be on par when it comes to strength and skills.

      @Legion

      I agree that Sarada should starting building her connections with the Hidden Leaf and attempt to gain approval from the Higher-ups before going onto foreign relations. But it's inevitable to think about it if she's going to become the Hokage, right? Since the Hokage is technically the one representative of an entire nation. If the Hokage doesn't think about foreign relations as well as ruling the country internally, then all goes kabloom and war erupts. That was a problem in the Naruto series. We didn't have the opportunity to visit all the countries and ninja nations, and see their differences in culture and political systems like Konoha. The world in Naruto felt too fake and stretched out with no substance. The series's focal point was fixed on Konoha. This arc presents an opportunity to stray away from that. And not thinking about foreign relations was a problem in the Naruto series too. All the nations did not trust each other, and even thought about going to war against each other before finally joining in an All Shinobi Alliance. It's fine if Boruto wants to become good friends with Kagura, but as Sarada is going to become Hokage, it's a good place to start by being there along with him and forming an alliance. Especially, since even seen in Boruto, there are still gangs plotting to uprise against their own in order to wreak havoc on the nations they've despised for so long. The majority of citizens don't really have such a great opinion on foreign countries yet. If Sarada is to become to Hokage, her character needs to serve as a mediator and as a symbol for peace and justice and acceptance. Her whole character arc was about being building relationships and being connected to others through bonds. She started with own family, then she should start with Academy students, then her teachers, her classmates, her seniors, the higher-ups, other citizens of Konoha, and then finally outwards to foreign countries. She has to start a network and spread some influence. It doesn't hurt to start early. I feel it's kinda out of character that she made Boruto the Class Representative for the Field Trip. She wants to become a leader, not someone who supports the leader from the shadows. She'd feel more connected to her classmates, plus she could still keep an eye on Boruto and be justified for it too, as she's the field trip rep! Instead, Kagura is looking at only Boruto, and he should also know who Sarada is and talk to her a bit. Plus, Boruto isn't like Naruto. He's not interested in being the leader; he likes to work in the shadows. Thing whole thing... it's out of character for him too.

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    • @Tay: black Zetsu is a manifestation of Kaguyas will and as such is an extension of her thoughts and feelings. He also did not think or speak for her, she took its advice twice. And then it played sportscaster for almost the whole fight. Black Zetsus entire existence is to free Kaguya and spent its entire life (at least 200 years) doing so. It has undying devotion and is subservient to her. Black Zetsu also never claimes a sex or gender. The sexism argument is weak here.

      @light: your comments about the "real Hokage" here dont make sense. The only real Hokage right now is Naruto. Boruto and Sarada are genin and at best, are community servants. As of Chunin and Jonin at best they will be soldiers. Diplomacy is handled by Hokage and elders. Despite Kakashi and Team 7 being responsible for the completion of the Great Naruto Bridge and freeing up the Land of Waves' economy, it didnt do a damn thing for any of their careers. To become Hokage, one needs great strength and the heart to unite/protect the people of the leaf. Boruto has no interest in acting as a surrogate parent and is selfish. Heart is more important than strength, and since Boruto will only be marginally stronger he will more than likely be passed up because of his lone wolf and selfish attitude. The only one who seems to doubt Saradas ability to become Hokage is you.

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    • @LightWriter

      What is your definition of "second main character", because if it's screentime then there's a number of leaf ninjas who had a lot more than sasuke kakashi, shikamaru, Sakura etc even in the naruto movies. and sasuke was in a sense naruto's last villain. I think kawaki will be introduced soon (in whatever scenario) and his and boruto's relationship will be one of competitive rivalry similar to that of naruto and sasuke.

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    • She is not the second most important character. At least until now, Naruto is still the 2nd most important. And then Sasuke. So Sarada would take a 4th place at best until now.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: She is not the second most important character. At least until now, Naruto is still the 2nd most important. And then Sasuke. So Sarada would take a 4th place at best until now.

      True.

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    • @Legion

      Well I don't mean really the present, rather the future. From what we've seen, Sarada was worried that Boruto was also wishing to be Hokage in the Boruto movie at the end, possibly because he's proven to be a potential strong opponent. Boruto then told Sarada that he doesn't wish to become Hokage. He doesn't have an interest in the position. So I'm guessing now, since I'm assuming they're kinda equal in strength right now, that if there was an analysis between the two of them on who showed more Hokage-capabilities, Boruto would most probably be passed up the position and Sarada would get it because of their suited personality leans toward it, regardless of how their strength is. I can see that clearly now and take back my comment about Boruto being the "real" Hokage and passing that onto Sarada because she wants it while he's the actual ruler or something and she does nothing, lol. And that's fine, I suppose. The Hokage is someone who needs to unite/protect their own village. If Sarada is going to take up that role in the future and Boruto is going to take the diplomacy route, it would make sense for their said future goals. It's just, Boruto is also the Field Trip President, and Sarada literally has no position but to support him while he ALSO takes the diplomacy route and becomes buddies with Kagura, an outsider from an village. I don't really think Boruto even wanted the position anyways, why did Sarada put it on him? If their goals are so said, why are they taking different routes from their words? The one becoming more connected to their classmates this way is Boruto, not Sarada. Right now, she's just another classmate, not actually being a leader. I'd expect her to start with something small first and build everything up from there like Naruto did. Perhaps she really did have a reason, and I'm willing to listen to any points why. I'm not underestimating her potential actually, I think she'd make a great Hokage. Actually I think I may be overestimating her capabilities too, based on how the conversation has been going, and I don't want that. I want her to RISE above limits. And also, while Diplomacy is best handled by the elders and such, we're seeing Boruto focusing on his relationship with Kagura, someone who could possibly become Mizukage in the future. At least Boruto is starting somewhere. Why shouldn't Sarada do at least half of that? Granted, the Hokage isn't going to travel so much as someone like Sasuke does, but they should KNOW who they're talking to and have some conversation, some sort of relation with them, otherwise, they just become a random member of their class that's unknown. According to their goals, Boruto and Sarada should take the Hokage and Sasuke as an example and do the the same. Boruto is also someone who is recently saying many times, "let's not make the elders do this for us. Let's handle this on our own!" while it would probably be wiser to leave it up to them, but he doesn't do that. If he can, Sarada can too, right? She's not helpless. This is the new generation, how they all interact now is important for setting up diplomatic relations in the future. Boruto can paint on the Hokage faces and while he'll get some scoldings by Naruto it's all cool. But if Boruto ends up being that class clown that Paints on the faces of the Mizukages, that turns into a worldwide political feud, for how "the children are taught to think of foreign lands". They'll take it as  a personal insult, especially since this is the first field trip ever taken and already someone from a foreign country they've allowed for visiting has started vandalizing their property XD. Currently the main characters are these new generation guys, and while they are public servants, this whole arc is about foreign relations with the Hidden Mist Village. It's important probably because we'll be visiting there sometime in the future. The Land of Waves arc was important because it had a profound effect on our main characters. The Zabuza and Haku story is infamous. But then it was never really mentioned as much again. The land wasn't important, it was just the story. That's what I'm on the opposing side of, I just want them to expand more on their platform of countries and what they're like. I really liked that episode where Chouchou was showing Sarada around the city and where foreign traders from the Hidden Cloud traded with the Leaf. Really interesting, and if it were a filler, that  makes me kinda sad. I would prefer a more broader perspective this time in the Naruto world, and for the foreign nations to also make a big impact on our characters as well as their daily lives in general. At least it'd be good to know the NEWS going on in other places, with current events, huh.

      @Ninjachris

      True, he wasn't seen at all in the movies and all. But you could say he was 'hyped' up by Kishimoto? He kept drawing the two together in art, and the main theme of the series only focused on their bond and getting Sasuke back. Boruto could take that direction, and while I really liked it in Naruto, I want to see something new. I don't wish to see another "Naruto and Sasuke Relationship 2.0". It's not really screentime... how would you call main characters? It's confusing really, and we can get into a debate about what makes a main character, lol. But I guess there was a long-term goal on Sasuke's part? He wasn't shown so much and that brought tension to the readers - everyone wanted to know how he was, what was the next thing he was doing. Sakura and Shikamaru had more screentime sure. They kinda had their own arcs at one point. But besides that, much of their screentime is seen as standing along with Naruto. Sasuke doesn't even do that till the end, lol. He stands out and is different. Not to mention, he plays a big part in the character's minds, he has a big impact on them, and he gets tremendous character development. Heck, even the 4th great Ninja War was also somewhat impacted by the whole Madara Uchiha, Obito Uchiha, and Itachi Uchiha annihilating the Uchiha clan. Kiba on the other hand, hasn't gotten as much hype, character development, or has such a great impact on the characters as much as Sasuke does. Even Shino Aburame proves this point: "The reason why no one is listening to you wanting to be Hokage is because Sasuke's sudden appearance and declaration are too great." The bond between Naruto and Kiba is not as important as the Bond between Naruto and Sasuke. Could you possibly be thinking that Sasuke is not the 2nd main character then? Maybe it's Kakashi or Sakura? Even Hinata or Iruka? The majority of the fandom always puts Sasuke along with Naruto on the main character dish, though with screentime, the real main character can be debated about. It's a complex subject.

      As I said, Kawaki is most likely going to have a big role in this story, but currently, right now, he doesn't really have an effect on Boruto yet. He doesn't know who he is yet. Even while I'd prefer a change from the old rival relationship, I can't put my own wishful thinking into this. Logically, it can take the same direction that Naruto and Sasuke did. It can also be that, their relationship will be a rivalry, but Sarada still arguably takes the role of 2nd main character for now. She's been seen in the art with Naruto and Sasuke, she's been hyped up in Naruto Gaiden, etc. more than someone like Inojin, yet he has more screentime than she does in the Boruto series. She's part of Boruto's team and is Sasuke's and Sakura's daughter. She's the child of the 2nd and 3rd main character of Naruto. (Supposing Sasuke and Sakura are main characters in Naruto) And she and Boruto have a conflicting and important relationship too.

      I agree with you that screentime doesn't necessarily affect whether a character is the 2nd main or not. I'm also open to criticism over my stance and why I should change it.

      @Vlad

      The show is about the new generation though right? Naruto and Sasuke are the most important adult characters. But for now, I'm referring to the new generation. Out of the new generation, Boruto and Sarada easily stand out as the 2 main characters, Mitsuki coming in as the 3rd.

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    • From the new genearion yes, she is perhaps the 2nd most important. Not too far away from Mitsuki though, who as well had a whole oneshot dedicated to him, as well as anime episodes dedicated to him. But overall i doubt that Sarada will end up being as or more important than Naruto. Naruto plays a big role even in the final battle with Kawaki, as he is the only other character referenced by them. So Naruto will definitely drag out until the end of the series or at least until the Kawaki battle.

      By the way, i think you win the award for the longest reply ever lol.

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    • @LightWriter8

      Naruto had two main goals, 1. Becoming hokage, 2. Sasuke (rescuing him, maintaining their bond and surpassing him). And herein is the difference between the naruto series and the boruto series. Naruto's goal allowed for sasuke to be the 2nd main character despite not having huge amounts of screen time because emphasis was always placed on him. Now with boruto he has no such goals, he doesn't want to be hokage and honestly I don't think he views any of his peers as his rivals not saying he thinks he better than them, just that's not his focus. Actually I believe boruto's rival is his father, he wants to step out of his shadow earn his own name and surpass him with his own strength and not just be known as the hokage's brat. And in that sense naruto would be the 2nd main, actually they can be several co-mains in the series shikadai, mitsuki, sasuke etc. it seems the writer is making a deliberate attempt to make character development more balanced in this series.

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    • This is why I avoid comparing sarada and boruto like who's the strongest between the two of them because I really like them both. I like they're uniqueness and how their goals are different. Like how boruto wanted to become like sasuke which is I'm extremely curious how his story will unfold but yes, I also agree that they should also highlight Sarada specially that she declared that she wanted to be hokage. If they can't do it now hopefully in the future. And honestly, The fact that I am excited that she will be different from the entire Uchiha clan like she didn't get to experience the whole despair thing that almost all uchiha's experienced. The only thing that I don't want to happen in Boruto is like there's a 2.0 Naruto & Sasuke fight. And I really don't want the Uchiha's to go astray again like in the Naruto series that is why I'm really excited for Sarada's story.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: it seems the writer is making a deliberate attempt to make character development more balanced in this series.

      I think they're also avoiding spending too much time on the Uchiha front, considering they were pretty much the focus of the 4th war. Sasuke, Obito, Madara and Itachi all took quite a bit of the spotlight in Naruto, and i think we're seeing some compensation here with Sarada.

      Her power combo is also really strong (Enhanced strength is basically a Rasengan but with lower cost and easier to apply. Also in quite a few cases a lot more powerful), and i think they're trying to avoid giving her too much free power. Boruto on the other hand is showing to have quite a few jutsu but not much in the way of finishing power, relying much more on outsmarting and repeated hits.

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    • @Thekillman Boruto doesn't have finishing power...? So i guess being able to use arguably the strongest A rank jutsu is not powerful at all...it's not like people can die from a rasengan...OH WAIT. And honestly, did you just compare Sarada's chakra enhanced punches with a rasengan? Really...? I guess if Sarada would've used a rasengan instead of a punch against her chunin exam opponent, it would've been the same thing, right? I'm going to say no.IF her opponent would've received a rasengan he would've been dead no question. If Sarada, with all her strength would try to punch into a rasengan, she would have her limb flying around. It's not even close to a rasengan. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Stop trying to bring Sarada to Boruto's level. She just is not strong enough.

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    • @Vladosaurus and @killman
      Honestly I thought that Enhanced Punch was equivalent of chidori and rasengan. Kind of put the three Neo Sannin in same boat. That punch has some equally impressive feats like tsunade breaking madara's Susanoo where UBBR from Naruto failed to do so(madara was able to brush it aside)
      I still believe that sarada might be stronger considering her dojutsu and punches. Strictly boruto can't catch her off guard with Sharingan activated.

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    • Bullsh*it...Tsunade broke Madara's rib cage susanoo with her SEAL released. And also, you are comparing Tsunade, one of the Sannins, to a 12 year old kid. And how would the sharingan help Sarada when it comes to her destructive capacity might i add? What, now the sharingan increases strength as well? And Saskura's punches were never in the same league as rasengan or chidori.So, Sakura can spam her punches while Sasuke or Kakashi were limited to a number of chidori daily. And you call that fair, assuming that, as you said, they are equal in destructive capacity? Makes no sense. Also,you want to compare the destructive capacity of Strength of a Hundred Seal to some techniques that Naruto and Sasuke use in BASE. Though his modes, there are ways and ways for Naruto to increase the destructive capacity of the rasengan way beyond he could do in base. So yeah...

      But anyway, we are talking about Sarada and Boruto, where Sarada does not even come close with her punches to a rasengan...

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: And honestly, did you just compare Sarada's chakra enhanced punches with a rasengan? Really...?

      Yes? Look at the damage done to the water tower by Naruto's rasengan. Now tell me how that doesn't compare to Sakura destroying several cubic meters of ground. Or how the blast of power from the Rasengan isn't equivalent (or possibly inferior) to the chakra enhanced punch. Sarada knocked a shinobi back by some 10-20 meters and even then the impact was strong enough to damage the wall considerably.

      Vladosaurus wrote:

      It's not even close to a rasengan. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Stop trying to bring Sarada to Boruto's level. She just is not strong enough.

      Stop underestimating clear and obvious feats of power by chakra-enhanced strength.

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Honestly I thought that Enhanced Punch was equivalent of chidori and rasengan.

      I'm hesitant to compare it to the Chidori due to the way it works. Chidori doesn't do a whole lot of damage to a large area, but it convincingly and completely destroys the area of impact. Chakra enhanced strength is far more like Rasengan in that it's a more dispersed attack.

      The water tower is an excellent example of the difference between Chidori and Rasengan. Chidori destroyed the point of impact completely and did little beyond. Rasengan barely hurt the point of impact but blew out the water entirely. Chakra strength completely destroys a large area of ground with minimal effort, yet has the most dispersed impact (IE the damage is done over a larger area as it lacks Rasengan's initial grind and Chidori's pierce)

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    • Vladosaurus wrote:

      Bullsh*it...Tsunade broke Madara's rib cage susanoo with her SEAL released.

      And UBBR failed to do so? So how is rasengan stronger than punch?

      Vladosaurus wrote:

      And also, you are comparing Tsunade, one of the Sannins, to a 12 year old kid. And how would the sharingan help Sarada when it comes to her destructive capacity might i add? What, now the sharingan increases strength as well?
      Well duh. When the tech is at its very best they are equivalent. Didn't say sharingan was for destructive capacity but for defense and prediction which would give her the edge to hit opponents accurately.

      Vladosaurus wrote: And Saskura's punches were never in the same league as rasengan or chidori...i makes no sense. You want to compare the destructive capacity of Strength of a Hundred Seal to some techniques that Naruto and Sasuke use in BASE. Though his modes, there are ways and ways for Naruto to increase the destructive capacity of the rasengan way beyond he could do in base. So yeah...

      Have you seen her punches making craters on the ground, rasengan doesn't even come close. And I compared the absolute best of two techs(UBBR vs the 100 seals Punch) So yeah I was justified in doing so. And just because Sakura isn't that ingenious as other character doesn't mean that punch can't be improved.

      Vladosaurus wrote: But anyway, we are talking about Sarada and Boruto, where Sarada does not even come close with her punches to a rasengan...

      But in exchange of blows I am quite sure that rasengan in boruto's hand would be inferior to Sarada's punch since she could evade it with her sharingan and counter with punch..

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Didn't say sharingan was for destructive capacity but for defense and prediction which would give her the edge to hit opponents accurately.

      More importantly, Sakura's main weakness was actually getting her punches to hit (since many a technique can easily force her away and she doesn't have much in the way of gapclosers or other defenses). Sharingan allows Sarada to see through such attacks and predict and evade them. Thus, similar to the Chidori, Sharingan fixes a major problem with Chakra strength.

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    • @Namikazenaruto9 UBBR is the best rasengan Naruto can do...? Right, so i guess that a senjutsu or tailed beast enhanced UBBR are at the same level right as the standard UBBR Naruto used, right? Hey, how about the six paths enhanced rasengans? Those are at the same level as the standard UBBR, right?

      Even if you talk about a general UBBR and a general 100 seal punch, it's still not a limit for the rasengan. Rasengan can be as big as you want it to, as long as you put enough chakra into it. And Madara used a full Susanoo, not just the rib cage to resit UBBR as far as i recall. Against Tsunade's kick, Madara only used the rib cage. Even the raikage broke Sasuke's rib cage. I guess Raikage's chop is as strong as a UBBR, right?

      @Thekillman How is a chakra punch the same as a rasengan...? The chakra punch focuses on only one point, IE the point you hit, much like a chidori does, except that chidori has the piercing ability and the punch has the smashing ability. The rasengan has the spinning ability, meaning that it carves into the targeted area, and has a larger destruction range since it's literally a spinning chakra ball that can change size. All those 3 are different.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: How is a chakra punch the same as a rasengan...?

      It's not literally the same, but the closest ability to it. Power-wise it's similar, though i'd argue the chakra strength is superior to the Rasengan. The only real downside is that you put your hand in harm's way directly (unlike Chidori and Rasengan which have the technique impact first), but then how much of a downside is it when you're a medical ninja?

      Chakra-wise it consumes less than the other two techniques and it requires zero preparation.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 UBBR is the best rasengan Naruto can do...? Right, so i guess that a senjutsu or tailed beast enhanced UBBR are at the same level right as the standard UBBR Naruto used, right? Hey, how about the six paths enhanced rasengans? Those are at the same level as the standard UBBR, right? Even if you talk about a general UBBR and a general 100 seal punch, it's still not a limit for the rasengan. Rasengan can be as big as you want it to, as long as you put enough chakra into it. And Madara used a full Susanoo, not just the rib cage to resit UBBR as far as i recall. Against Tsunade's kick, Madara only used the rib cage. Even the raikage broke Sasuke's rib cage. I guess Raikage's chop is as strong as a UBBR, right?

      Well Bro if you want to play it this way. Is sakura's punch shown in series is actually her strongest? What about a punch at high speed? Afterall if Naruto can use help to create those techs surely someone could help Sakura gain that huge momentum...
      Raikage couldn't break Madara's Susanoo whereas Tsunade was able to despite being enhanced by Onoki's weighted boulder jutsu. So yeah get your facts right

      Thekillman wrote: I'm hesitant to compare it to the Chidori due to the way it works. Chidori doesn't do a whole lot of damage to a large area, but it convincingly and completely destroys the area of impact. Chakra enhanced strength is far more like Rasengan in that it's a more dispersed attack.

      The water tower is an excellent example of the difference between Chidori and Rasengan. Chidori destroyed the point of impact completely and did little beyond. Rasengan barely hurt the point of impact but blew out the water entirely. Chakra strength completely destroys a large area of ground with minimal effort, yet has the most dispersed impact (IE the damage is done over a larger area as it lacks Rasengan's initial grind and Chidori's pierce)

      Well this certainly does highlights my point. My point about rasengan chidori and enhanced punch was that their relationship is quite parallel of the Sannin. In certain scenario Chidori has advantage in others it is the enhanced punch and rasengan. That's why I just said equivalent not equals.
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    • @Namikazenaruto9 Go rewatch it then. After releasing her seal, Tsunade punches Madara in his rib cage, then the rib cage stars to slowly shatter. Some time after that, the Raikage chops the rib cage and has a similar effect in slowly shattering the rib cage, and the next second Tsunade comes and kick the weakened rib cage and shatters it for good. So yeah...

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 Go rewatch it then. After releasing her seal, Tsunade punches Madara in his rib cage, then the rib cage stars to slowly shatter. Some time after that, the Raikage chops the rib cage and has a similar effect in slowly shattering the rib cage, and the next second Tsunade comes and kick the weakened rib cage and shatters it for good. So yeah...

      I am gonna repeat myself again, Raikage's chop doesn't work against Susanoo(check first few panels of Madara vs 5Kages). Onoki increases its strength with Weighed Boulder jutsu and Tsunade gets her first shot where Madara clearly states that she is stronger than Raikage. So yeah Raikage wasn't strong enough to break the Susanoo.

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    • Ok, same question then. Is the Raikage's chop ( with Onoki's aid) as strong as UBBR? Since that particular chop would be probably just below Tsunade's SEAL punches, so around the same level.And again, the UBBR was not stopped by the rib cage, it was stopped by a full fledged Humaniod Susanoo. The rib cage is not even comparable with that...

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Ok, same question then. Is the Raikage's chop ( with Onoki's aid) as strong as UBBR? Since that particular chop would be probably just below Tsunade's SEAL punches, so around the same level.And again, the UBBR was not stopped by the rib cage, it was stopped by a full fledged Humaniod Susanoo. The rib cage is not even comparable with that...

      check the fight UBBR was stopped by Rib cage Susanoo before Madara changed it to Humanoid Susanoo to dissipate the attack.

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    • More times than none the Susanoo had to be empowered step by step, so of course Madara would start with the rib cage...but i'm pretty confident that if he would've only kept the rib cage on, it would've been torn apart by the UBBR...hence why he didn't and why he evolved it immediately to the humanoid version...

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: More times than none the Susanoo had to be empowered step by step, so of course Madara would start with the rib cage...but i'm pretty confident that if he would've only kept the rib cage on, it would've been torn apart by the UBBR...hence why he didn't and why he evolved it immediately to the humanoid version...

      Well If that really was the case why would they waste a manga panel for that? Afterall in manga they can't afford showing repeated evolution of Susanoo? Madara clearly uses rib cage version even in the manga.

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    • How on earth did he use the rib cage when he clearly as day used the humanoid version? This is so dumb, i don't know why i am wasting my time with Tsunade and Naruto when this is about Boruto and Sarada's lame ass punches... Wow, she shattered the ground when she was fighting the Shin clones, i'll give her that, but it wasn't like she killed any of them, because she didn't. And then she sends her opponent flying in the wall during the chunin.Big deal. Naruto sent Sasuke flying all the way to the top of a cliff while being weakened as hell and barely able to stand up at VOTE2, but it's not like Naruto's punches are rasengan level...And let's not even bring up the punches that those 2 exchanged at VOTE 1 when they were around Sarada's age. Still no where close rasengan level. She has decent strength for somebody who is supposed to rely on brute force,but to say that her punches are rasengan level is pure BS...

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    • @Vladosaurus
      Chapter 560, pg-7 is rib cage Susanoo, pg-8 is where rasengan dissipates due to UBBR.
      Just look at it this way. Sakura's punch can knock a tree down(first fight with Kakashi) whereas Single Rasengan can't(though it does something more impressive drills large hole on tree trunk, Naruto's training in rasengan). Clearly the punch has its advantages over the Rasengan. Each punch is capable of disabling people in same way as rasengan does.

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    • There's no way sarada chakra enhance punches are equivalent to the rasengan.

      To start with the rasengan mimics a biju bomb which is highly condensed chakra.

      Tsunade releases her seal to chakra that she had been accumulating for literally years probably decades I would assume that would be an enormous amount of chakra not accessible normally.

      When raikage and tsunade attacked Madara he had already formed susano ribs whilst when naruto was attacking he activated as a counter which means chakra would still be pumping into susano to form it during the time naruto's rasengan made contact, which may have nullified/repaired any damage done.

      Naruto was in base mode.

      And this assumption of chidori/enhanced strikes somehow canceling each other out in power with rasengan is inaccurate since there are a lot of variations to the rasengan in terms of power and destructive capabilities why do you think sasuke has other techs ameratsu kirin etc. ever noticed each time naruto and sasuke clashed with rasengan/chidori naruto always used a base rasengan.

      And let's not forget the destructive power of rasengan leveling mountains changing terrain, the meteors created by Madara weren't destroyed with punches but rasengans.

      And lastly I think ppl underestimate boruto's chakra reserve because he is overshadowed by naruto, but let's not forget his lineage I would assume he also has a very healthy chakra reserve. Not to mention his taijutsu is advanced.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: There's no way sarada chakra enhance punches are equivalent to the rasengan.To start with the rasengan mimics a biju bomb which is highly condensed chakra.

      Chakra enhanced strength likely emulates bijus punching??

      Ninjachris wrote: Tsunade releases her seal to chakra that she had been accumulating for literally years probably decades I would assume that would be an enormous amount of chakra not accessible normally. When raikage and tsunade attacked Madara he had already formed susano ribs whilst when naruto was attacking he activated as a counter which means chakra would still be pumping into susano to form it during the time naruto's rasengan made contact, which may have nullified/repaired any damage done.

      Likely happened. Since Susanoo got upgraded and it blew away rasengan before it could 'burst' completely.

      Ninjachris wrote: Naruto was in base mode. And this assumption of chidori/enhanced strikes somehow canceling each other out in power with rasengan is inaccurate since there are a lot of variations to the rasengan in terms of power and destructive capabilities why do you think sasuke has other techs ameratsu kirin etc. ever noticed each time naruto and sasuke clashed with rasengan/chidori naruto always used a base rasengan.

      I clearly said equivalent not equal. In terms of Raw power Rasengan>Chidori but in terms of penetration Chidori>Rasengan.

      Ninjachris wrote: And let's not forget the destructive power of rasengan leveling mountains changing terrain, the meteors created by Madara weren't destroyed with punches but rasengans.

      And lastly I think ppl underestimate boruto's chakra reserve because he is overshadowed by naruto, but let's not forget his lineage I would assume he also has a very healthy chakra reserve. Not to mention his taijutsu is advanced.

      I am not sure but Naruto's chakra hands used in taijutsu combo are enhanced punches? Kaguya's punches demolished Susanoo. I wouldn't sell them too cheaply....

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    • @Namikazenaruto9

      How's equivalent different from equal???

      naruto's chakra punch wasn't showed to be more powerful than his rasengans.

      Kayuga wasn't using chakra enhanced attacks.

      Sakura punched shin he didn't die, naruto boosted boruto's rasengan and obliterated momoshiki along with the surrounding terrain.

      And naruto attack on Madara was a UBR not a UBBR as you can clearly see the difference in size in the used against Madara as compared to the one he used against kuruma and momoshiki.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 How's equivalent different from equal???

      Isn't equivalent mean similar effect? ((Equal means two entities are the same entity; equivalent means that two entities have the same EFFECT, in some sense.))

      Ninjachris wrote: naruto's chakra punch wasn't showed to be more powerful than his rasengans.

      Kayuga wasn't using chakra enhanced attacks.

      Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack What is this?

      Ninjachris wrote: Sakura punched shin he didn't die, naruto boosted boruto's rasengan and obliterated momoshiki along with the surrounding terrain.

      I don't know because they wanted to extract intel. And when have Naruto and co actually killed someone in first encounter without intel gathering or for some other plot reason?

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    • @Namikazenaruto9

      equivalent ɪˈkwɪv(ə)l(ə)nt/Submit adjective 1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc. "one unit is equivalent to one glass of wine" synonyms: equal, identical;

      So yea equivalent and equal mean exactly the same thing.

      You seem to intentionally neglect one major difference in kayuga chakra attack as compared to sarada/Sakura/tsunade, which is it is a cloak of chakra around the person arms/limbs similar to hinata's lion attack, which is basically a chakra attack just like chidori or raikage electric chop. While with sarada and co. The chakra is within the users limbs strengthening from within.

      And Sakura came to rescue her family not for intel or anything else she striked to kill.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: @Namikazenaruto9

      equivalent ɪˈkwɪv(ə)l(ə)nt/Submit adjective 1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc. "one unit is equivalent to one glass of wine" synonyms: equal, identical;

      So yea equivalent and equal mean exactly the same thing.
      Leave it dude you get the idea. I wrote it from logic point of view. You are taking it as it means in English.

      Ninjachris wrote: You seem to intentionally neglect one major difference in kayuga chakra attack as compared to sarada/Sakura/tsunade, which is it is a cloak of chakra around the person arms/limbs similar to hinata's lion attack, which is basically a chakra attack just like chidori or raikage electric chop. While with sarada and co. The chakra is within the users limbs strengthening from within.

      But isn't Hinata's tech more Gentle fist like and not raw power? Whereas Naruto and Kaguya were using Raw power?[Manifesting their chakra to hit something]

      Ninjachris wrote: And Sakura came to rescue her family not for intel or anything else she striked to kill.

      Also wasn't that guy dying? He had to undergo some specialized operation or something. If he had neglected that injury for 1hr or so he would have died though practically he was incapable of moving, He escaped because his minion teleported.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      Ninjachris wrote: @Namikazenaruto9

      equivalent ɪˈkwɪv(ə)l(ə)nt/Submit adjective 1. equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc. "one unit is equivalent to one glass of wine" synonyms: equal, identical;

      So yea equivalent and equal mean exactly the same thing.
      Leave it dude you get the idea. I wrote it from logic point of view. You are taking it as it means in English.

      Ninjachris wrote: You seem to intentionally neglect one major difference in kayuga chakra attack as compared to sarada/Sakura/tsunade, which is it is a cloak of chakra around the person arms/limbs similar to hinata's lion attack, which is basically a chakra attack just like chidori or raikage electric chop. While with sarada and co. The chakra is within the users limbs strengthening from within.

      But isn't Hinata's tech more Gentle fist like and not raw power? Whereas Naruto and Kaguya were using Raw power?[Manifesting their chakra to hit something]

      Ninjachris wrote: And Sakura came to rescue her family not for intel or anything else she striked to kill.

      Also wasn't that guy dying? He had to undergo some specialized operation or something. If he had neglected that injury for 1hr or so he would have died though practically he was incapable of moving, He escaped because his minion teleported.

      Really don't know what else you could have meant by saying equivalent other equal in power! But moving on.

      You do realize that kayuga' attack was more similar to hinata's than anyone else right? Kayuga' took on the shape of claws while Hinata lion heads. And unlike sarada/Sakura the users limbs don't actually make contact with the opponent it's their chakra, can't understand how you trying to draw a comparison there.

      Shin was dying, momoshiki along with landscape were obliterated, annihilated.

      Even a kid konohamaru defeated a pain with rasengan, which neither tsunade or Sakura could do with their enhanced attacks.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: equal in value, amount, function, meaning, etc. "one unit is equivalent to one glass of wine" synonyms: equal, identical;

      So yea equivalent and equal mean exactly the same thing.

      No, they aren't the same thing. Equivalent means equal in the point you are describing. IE 1 euro is equivalent to 1.22 dollar or something. They have equal value. But you wouldn't mistake one for the other. They are used as synonyms, but that's because nobody ever cares. People use literally figuratively, which means it's a word that can mean the exact opposite of what it's supposed to mean.

      The definition you quote says the same thing.

      In this case, the intended use is correct: Chakra enhanced punches are equivalent in power to Chidori and Rasengan. They have notably different effects and results, but that was noted 20 posts ago already.

      equal: adjective 1. as great as; the same as (often followed by to or with): The velocity of sound is not equal to that of light. 2. like or alike in quantity, degree, value, etc.; of the same rank, ability, merit, etc.: two students of equal brilliance. 3. evenly proportioned or balanced: an equal contest. 4. uniform in operation or effect: equal laws. 5. adequate or sufficient in quantity or degree: The supply is equal to the demand. 6. having adequate powers, ability, or means: He was equal to the task. 7. level, as a plain.

      equivalent adjective 1. equal in value, measure, force, effect, significance, etc.: His silence is equivalent to an admission of guilt. 2. corresponding in position, function, etc.: In some ways their prime minister is equivalent to our president. 3. Geometry. having the same extent, as a triangle and a square of equal area.

      Definitions 2 and 1 are synonyms but the rest on the list isn't. You're thinking definition 1 for equal (which is basically "literally the same".)

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    • all of this yet boruto rasengan got better destruction feats hahahah

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    • Hevent been here in a while. This convo got crazy, but i would like to mention Sakura hit Kaguya in the head so hard her horn broke off. A feat that 9 Tailed Beast-enhanced SPSM Rasenshurikens couldnt even pull off.

      Chakra punches actually have the potential to cause the highest amount of damage we have seen anyone pull off in a single strike AND can be performed by an otherwise normal character.

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    • Yeah ur right just like saying sakura punch >> 9 tailed beast-enhanced rasenshurikens thts not crazy at all lol

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    • @Thekillman

      Definition of equivalent (Webster's dictionary)

      equal in force, amount, or value; also :equal in area or volume but not superposable a square equivalent to a triangle.

      Synonyms of equivalent:

      coequal, compeer, coordinate, counterpart, equal, fellow, like, match, parallel, peer, rival.

      It's amazing the lengths some of you guys will go to, to prove a lost point sometimes.

      If I say the amount of water in bottle A is equivalent to the amount of water bottle B what do you determine by that?? The only difference between the both words is equivalent has more application but in the end it always describes two quantities, entities that share something identical/equal and if it's not exactly equal then it's meant to be very close or approximately equal.

      And it's obvious you guys were implying EQUAL power in context it was used, which it is not. Rasengan is the most powerful of the three.

      @LegionZero

      Wow she broke a horn naruto ripped a arm off, naruto stopped a giant charging rhino and threw it like a rag doll, his RS ripped her body apart momentarily destabilizing her, but hey she broke a horn. Don't know why she didn't help with the meteors tho?? And I guess shin would have survived a RS just like kakazu right? Comparing chakra strikes to rasengan is ridiculous.

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    • Ninjachris wrote:

      It's amazing the lengths some of you guys will go to, to prove a lost point sometimes.

      You're the guy bringing definitions into this, even though it's clear from context what we meant.

      Ninjachris wrote:

      If I say the amount of water in bottle A is equivalent to the amount of water bottle B what do you determine by that??

      If you use equivalent in stead of equal, i would assume the bottles are differently shaped, and you're trying to avoid confusion with water levels etc.

      But it's not really a good example. If i said "1 pound of gold is equal to 1 pound of silver" then, by the rather strict definition of equal you'd assume i'm talking about the weight (since that is strictly equal) and not it's value in money. If i said "1 pound of gold is equivalent to 1 pound of silver" then you'd almost certainly answer "what you mean by that?". Equivalent (equi-valent, literally "equal strength") would lead me to believe the sentence means "1 pound of gold costs as much as 1 pound of silver", in which case i would be wondering if you're trying to rip me off, or just being deliberately vague.

      Ninjachris wrote:

      And it's obvious you guys were implying EQUAL power in context it was used, which it is not. Rasengan is the most powerful of the three.

      No it's not. In the Valley of the End 1, Sasuke and Naruto's direct Rasengan/Chidori clash ends with Naruto knocked out and Sasuke standing over him. Naruto's Rasengan cut a big hole in a tree, whereas Sakura's simple punch versus Kakashi was strong enough to obliterate several cubic meters of earth and draw him out from underground.

      Clearly, they have equivalent levels of power that they do not apply in equal ways. An average 100W lightbulb has an equivalent power output to our human brain, yet the effects are not equal.

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    • @TheKillman

      You are talking in circles to try complicate something that is very simple in an attempt to try and change the context of what you meant.

      So let me make it simple, equivalent/equal are used to compare a specific value or thing example:

      If I say the volume of water in bottle A is equivalent to volume of water in bottle B then it matters not what the shape of both bottle are the volume is the same, "volume" being the quantity/entity of comparison. I cannot say the height of water is equivalent if the bottles are shaped differently.

      So you were comparing power, so it doesn't matter the manner in which it is delivered since power is that entity similar to all just like the volume of water.

      And the gold analogy is really silly, since you are comparing two separate entities which cannot be equivalent (cost and weight) are mutually exclusive. It's equivalent in weight, weight being the entity of comparison, it can be equivalent to something else in cost, cost being the entity of comparison.

      And at the end of it all rasengan is still the most powerful of the three.

      I see you bypassed where I mentioned the writers always have naruto using base rasengan against sasuke's chidori, at vote 2 sasuke used black chidori which is supposed to powerful than ordinary and again naruto used base rasengan, not SM rasengan, not rasenshuriken, not BBR, not UBBR and yea I know he was exhausted but sasuke could still use black chidori so naruto should have at least been able to use RS, but the writers will always have him using base rasengan for to equalize things.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: So you were comparing power, so it doesn't matter the manner in which it is delivered since power is that entity similar to all just like the volume of water.

      But here's the entire point of why i said what i said, the way i said it.

      The way you apply powers matters, HUGELY. The VOTE1 fight showed that Chidori and Rasengan were equal in power. But the effect they had on the Water tower was entirely different. Chidori completely obliterated the point of impact. Rasengan barely tickled it. If your aim was to destroy the point of impact (Say, we're talking about armor or someone's heart) then the Rasengan would fail miserably. Yet if your aim was to draw someone out from underground, the Chidori would fail miserably. So the power (as in, the effect) is different whereas the power (as in, the energy released) is the same. Which is why i stressed this aspect so much, to avoid this confusion.

      Hell i could ask you what temperature the water is at, since if it's ice there would be less mass of water despite equal volumes. Or if it's boiling, then the type of damage it would do would be different than if it's just water. You could even be pedantic and make one bottle of water hot and the other pressurized to such an extent that the total energy content is exactly the same, yet the effect would be completely different.

      Ninjachris wrote: I see you bypassed where I mentioned the writers always have naruto using base rasengan against sasuke's chidori, at vote 2 sasuke used black chidori which is supposed to powerful than ordinary and again naruto used base rasengan

      It was already shown that Kurama's more powerful chakra leads to more powerful jutsu by default. Kakashi even commented it was about three times as powerful. So no, it wasn't a base rasengan. Well in jutsu type it was, in actual power it wasn't. I'd suggest it's similar to summoning Gamabunta or a frogfish. it's both summoning, but the degree of power is vastly different.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Ninjachris wrote: So you were comparing power, so it doesn't matter the manner in which it is delivered since power is that entity similar to all just like the volume of water.

      But here's the entire point of why i said what i said, the way i said it.

      The way you apply powers matters, HUGELY. The VOTE1 fight showed that Chidori and Rasengan were equal in power. But the effect they had on the Water tower was entirely different. Chidori completely obliterated the point of impact. Rasengan barely tickled it. If your aim was to destroy the point of impact (Say, we're talking about armor or someone's heart) then the Rasengan would fail miserably. Yet if your aim was to draw someone out from underground, the Chidori would fail miserably.

      It was in all essence a base rasengan by construct.

      And what you are comparing is the "effect" of their attacks.

      Ok but that was vote1 and base rasengan, there are a ton of rasengan variations and power levels, which is why a clash with chidori always have to be done with base rasengan, because all others are more powerful.

      why not BBR vs chidori or RS vs chidori, this will never happen because the writers no it will be illogical and hence the reason sasuke has other techniques, why didn't sasuke's susano use chidori instead of Indra's arrow?? He would be dead.

      Sarada still has more options than Sakura because of the sharingan, but enhanced strikes fall way short of power level of the rasengan.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: And what you are comparing is the "effect" of their attacks.

      Because i'm not arguing that they are exactly the same type of attack. I'm arguing that they are similar in power, yet Sarada can use it more easily since it requires no seals (and in that respect superior to Chidori) and no preparation (in that respect superior to Rasengan, which still needs to be formed). her Sharingan means that she solves the biggest problem with Chakra strength, namely that it's horrible to apply. The biggest problem with Sakura isn't her power, it's that she has no real way to apply it since she lacks the supportive jutsu to really get close reliably.

      I'm arguing that people systematically underestimate the power of this strength, as it's been demonstrated clearly that it's comparable to the other two flashy jutsu. Yet time and again people go "it's easy cuz rasengan", and yet if strength is brought up, it's instantly dismissed.

      Ninjachris wrote: Ok but that was vote1 and base rasengan, there are a ton of rasengan variations and power levels, which is why a clash with chidori always have to be done with base rasengan, because all others are more powerful.

      there are tons of rasengan variants and various forms in which they're used. Which is why i'm not talking about it, since it's pointless. I'm using the water tower example because it both involved base jutsu and a clear demonstration of their strenghts, the same way i use Sakura's punch to the ground against Kakashi in the second bell test as a clear example where she used minimal effort to get a major result. The same way i use Sarada's one punch in the Chunin exams as a comparison to show that power wise, Sarada isn't lagging behind.

      Boruto has more flashy jutsu. That's true. But in a 1v1, Sarada would hold her ground, and has the ability to win.

      Ninjachris wrote: why not BBR vs chidori or RS vs chidori, this will never happen because the writers no it will be illogical and hence the reason sasuke has other techniques, why didn't sasuke's susano use chidori instead of Indra's arrow?? He would be dead.

      Not sure what you're aiming at here. Sasuke threw Indra's arrow because he wanted to overpower Naruto. He had already seen Chidori etc's use against Naruto and knew that nothing short of an all-out attack would hurt Naruto. In the end, the combined power of their attacks still didn't kill either. As long as Naruto has chakra, he basically won't die.

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    • Wait a minute ur saying sarada ces is on par with sakura?

      Boruto is simply better

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      It's not literally the same, but the closest ability to it. Power-wise it's similar, though i'd argue the chakra strength is superior to the Rasengan.

      Chakra-wise it consumes less than the other two techniques and it requires zero preparation.

      You said power it is similar which it is not no where close to.

      If she uses less chakra then how in the world can it have greater chakra strength??

      As we all have already seen in their fights preparation time/hand seals where naruto and sasuke are concerned is an absolute non factor.

      What I am saying is the rasengans I pointed out are more powerful than chidori, and that is why they won't pit any other rasengan other base against it. Rasengan is basically limitless in size which is directly proportional to the condensed chakra and resulting power, neither chidori or chakra strikes has that versatility.

      At the end of it all we judge by feats/opponents defeated with said technique.

      Tsunade feat cracked a susano rib. Defeated no one.

      Sakura defeated sasori with help from Chio, defeated shin (surprise attack), broke kaguya's horn (surprise attack).

      Sarada punched a couple of kids.


      Naruto destroyed mountains and land scapes, defeated pain, kakazu, meteors cut shinju tree, almost killed jairiya, obliterated momoshiki.

      Konohamaru (genin) defeated a pain path (neither Sakura or tsunade could do this).

      Boruto knocked a God off balance damaging his hand with that tiny rasengan.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Hevent been here in a while. This convo got crazy, but i would like to mention Sakura hit Kaguya in the head so hard her horn broke off. A feat that 9 Tailed Beast-enhanced SPSM Rasenshurikens couldnt even pull off.

      Like I said punch has different kind of destructive power. And two Naruto tears her hands off much before that but you get the idea.

      LegionZero wrote:

      Chakra punches actually have the potential to cause the highest amount of damage we have seen anyone pull off in a single strike AND can be performed by an otherwise normal character.

      Thank you for making my point.....

      Mcpowa wrote: Wait a minute ur saying sarada ces is on par with sakura?

      Boruto is simply better

      Yeah buddy, What about Genjutsu + Enhanced Punch? I still think Their are descent chances that she would win easily as she is now itself.

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    • yeah buddy show me the genjutsu feat?

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    • Mcpowa wrote: yeah buddy show me the genjutsu feat?

      We will get it in next few episodes...

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    • filler feats lets GO

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    • Along without with boruto's

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    • Ninjachris wrote: Along without with boruto's

      ?

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    • Mcpowa wrote: filler feats lets GO

      Boruto's nature transformation feats are filler tooo.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote:

      Mcpowa wrote: filler feats lets GO

      Boruto's nature transformation feats are filler tooo.

      Uh no? In the databook/manga he has lightning, wind, and water tranformations. The only thing he has left to show is water in the anime.

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    • Mcpowa wrote:

      Ninjachris wrote: Along without with boruto's

      ?

      namikaze said will see sarada use genjutsu, so I am sure will see boruto use new tech also.

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    • Somebody isn't watching the manga he displayed every nature there(wind,light,water)

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    • Sigh, and some people are forgetting what the Sharingan was mostly famous for.

      At any event, however strong Boruto shows him to be, unless he gains some genjutsus immunity(probably via his Jougan(Eye or soemthing) or a tailed beast/Curse mark?)He's not gonna beat Sarada.Not without some plot to help him.

      And people are talking about Boruto learning new moves as if Sarada's gonna retire as a genin.She has the freakinh Sharingan.She basically can learn any non kg jutsus she sees.Unless plot doesm't wnat her to.Yes, that includes the Rasengan.It's a jutsu, and she's talented and hard working as well.And she seen the training of it, with her own eyes.

      Sarada is not weak, more likely she's gonna be equal to Boruto considering her family lineage.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Sigh, and some people are forgetting what the Sharingan was mostly famous for.

      At any event, however strong Boruto shows him to be, unless he gains some genjutsus immunity(probably via his Jougan(Eye or soemthing) or a tailed beast/Curse mark?)He's not gonna beat Sarada.Not without some plot to help him.

      And people are talking about Boruto learning new moves as if Sarada's gonna retire as a genin.She has the freakinh Sharingan.She basically can learn any non kg jutsus she sees.Unless plot doesm't wnat her to.Yes, that includes the Rasengan.It's a jutsu, and she's talented and hard working as well.And she seen the training of it, with her own eyes.

      Sarada is not weak, more likely she's gonna be equal to Boruto considering her family lineage.

      good luck with tht

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    • Mcpowa wrote: Wait a minute ur saying sarada ces is on par with sakura?

      In the instance that i mentioned, yes. Sarada's fight against the Shin shows damage comparable to that of Sakura vs Kakashi in the 2nd bell test. Damage which is on par if not exceeding Narutos vanilla Rasengan against the water tower.

      Even Naruto with Kurama's chakra or Sage chakra enhances his Rasengan beyond what is normal, and is simply not comparable to Boruto's use of it. The evidence that we have suggests that Boruto's and Sarada's power is comparable.

      Questionaredude wrote: Uh no? In the databook/manga he has lightning, wind, and water tranformations. The only thing he has left to show is water in the anime.

      I think he meant the jutsu he uses.

      Mcpowa wrote: yeah buddy show me the genjutsu feat?

      Boruto: Naruto Next Generations, Volume 1's Sarada's Profile shows that she is proficient in Genjutsu. Which to me implies she can use Genjutsu:Sharingan.

      There's also some Shuriken jutsu she hasn't shown, but is mentioned in her profile.

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    • in Boruto vs shojoji boruto´s rasengan did way more then sarada ces(destruction) u want the page+chapter?

      we did see her canceling a genjutsu thts about it so unless u can show me her casting a genjutsu

      a side note wasnt sakura proficient in genjutsu also? hahah. Episode 30 will have sakura copying raiga daughter atleast she will get something right filler wise =p

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    • Again this is not naruto 2.0, there is no need for them to be rivals or equals, the only reason plot would be needed was if the writer was trying equate sarada strength to boruto which would be BS since sarada lineage is inferior compared to boruto considering that she is only 50% uchia and even a full uchia would be inferior to him. what is Sakura's clan even known for?? While boruto lineage is one which has the potential to exceed both uchia and senju. Not to mention we have no idea of what his doujutsu could do and it being superior to the sharingan wouldn't be plot, since it's new and it's a uzumaki/senju (hagoromo) + byakugan (hamura) combination, I wouldn't be surprised if he also gained a six path mode.

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    • I said that they most likely be equal, without counting whatever the eye could do.

      And anyways, Sarada's goal to be hokage needs her to be strong right? She will train herself for that very purpose.If only, she has a good enough teacher.Maybe Kakashi?

      When I said lineage, I didn't mean the whole clan bloodlines.I was merely mentioning, Sarada having the blood of the person that equals Naruto.And Sakura, who has incredible feats of Chakra control. So Sarada basically has a father, who is talented and powerful and a mother who worked hard, without being from a special clan.That means alot. And don't forget whatever hax/broken jutsu the MS grants.And it remains that Sarada most likely have to take on Sasuke's eyes(or maybe Boruto?)

      Just saying that Boruto just started.So we don't if it's a naruto 0.2 or whatever you guys claim it to be.I just know that Sarada's gonna be powerful, very powerful.This is just my opinion.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: I said that they most likely be equal, without counting whatever the eye could do.

      And anyways, Sarada's goal to be hokage needs her to be strong right? She will train herself for that very purpose.If only, she has a good enough teacher.Maybe Kakashi?

      When I said lineage, I didn't mean the whole clan bloodlines.I was merely mentioning, Sarada having the blood of the person that equals Naruto.And Sakura, who has incredible feats of Chakra control. So Sarada basically has a father, who is talented and powerful and a mother who worked hard, without being from a special clan.That means alot. And don't forget whatever hax/broken jutsu the MS grants.And it remains that Sarada most likely have to take on Sasuke's eyes(or maybe Boruto?)

      Just saying that Boruto just started.So we don't if it's a naruto 0.2 or whatever you guys claim it to be.I just know that Sarada's gonna be powerful, very powerful.This is just my opinion.

      I don't consider naruto and sasuke to be equals just close in overall strength with naruto having the edge IMO, but that's besides the point, you clearly mentioned lineage in context of her being sasuke's daughter, but unlike naruto and sasuke where the stronger one ends up be hokage the opposite will be true in the case of boruto and sarada. Boruto will most likely be definitively stronger than sarada his lineage, doujutsu and curse mark just allows for too much of an hax.

      Naruto has hagoromo chakra, hinata has hamura chakra, that's close to recreating kayuga's own chakra.

      Naruto's body is saturated wilt kyuubi chakra, surely some of this is filtered to his offspring.

      The reason why boruto even unlocked this new dojutsu was because of this unique combination whilst the only possibilities for sasuke/Sakura offsprings are either sharingan or normal eyes.

      And even if she gains sasuke's eyes that still shouldn't put her past boruto since that still would only be half of hags power whilst boruto would have hag + ham.

      If they trained at a comparable rate boruto should still have the advantage chakra wise in terms of amount and potency, durability wise due Uzumaki genes hinata was also shown to be very tough when she fought pain, ninjutsu wise considering he already know more than she does, and to top it off he was is a prodigy.

      And maybe this is the reason Kishi chose naru/hinata, instead of naru/Sakura because of the possibilities involving their kids.

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    • I'm pretty sure he didn't plan the whole Boruto show till after Naruto's ending.

      Does Hinata still have that Ham chakra left?I mean she didn't seem to inherit it nor did she have any particular change in her.Unlike Sasuke having Rinnegen and Naruto having SPSM.

      Most likely Hinata returned to her normal self.

      Wait, so Boruto's mysterious eyes source has been discovered?How exactly are you interpreting that Hinata still has that chakra left as well as it being the reason? I mean, even I think Hinata has a bit of that Chakra left inside her, amd Boru5o gained it during birth.But that's all speculation.

      You should know, that all the Uchihas are descendends of Indra.Who was the only one with the Sharingan.And so his mate, should most likely be normal.Yet, their offsprings have shown an high potentiel in power. So no.

      Um, considering everything shown.When you take in the MS of your relative.You get a more powerful eye.Even more powerful than when the user had it.The EMS.So basically, Sarada might even have the chance of having those eyes with more power, considering it'll be an enhanced EMS,EMS.

      The series main theme was that hard work beats talent or equals with talent.Sarada has both talent.Coming from Uchiha and Sasuke himself.And the genes of her hardworking mother, who also had talent with Chakra control.Basically if she's gonna be like her mother, that is reach a powerful position without any special bloodline.Then wonder how Sarada will be, if she does the same with her already special bloodline.She basically is the second first Uchiha, all over again.

      Because, I don't how the series will go, I won't fimrly state anything.But I know for sure, Sarada's gonna be the top five of the series best.These are all my own honest opinions.And I most likely won't have the time to reply back.So bye and thanks.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: I'm pretty sure he didn't plan the whole Boruto show till after Naruto's ending.

      Does Hinata still have that Ham chakra left?I mean she didn't seem to inherit it nor did she have any particular change in her.Unlike Sasuke having Rinnegen and Naruto having SPSM.

      Most likely Hinata returned to her normal self.

      Wait, so Boruto's mysterious eyes source has been discovered?How exactly are you interpreting that Hinata still has that chakra left as well as it being the reason? I mean, even I think Hinata has a bit of that Chakra left inside her, amd Boru5o gained it during birth.But that's all speculation.

      You should know, that all the Uchihas are descendends of Indra.Who was the only one with the Sharingan.And so his mate, should most likely be normal.Yet, their offsprings have shown an high potentiel in power. So no.

      Um, considering everything shown.When you take in the MS of your relative.You get a more powerful eye.Even more powerful than when the user had it.The EMS.So basically, Sarada might even have the chance of having those eyes with more power, considering it'll be an enhanced EMS,EMS.

      The series main theme was that hard work beats talent or equals with talent.Sarada has both talent.Coming from Uchiha and Sasuke himself.And the genes of her hardworking mother, who also had talent with Chakra control.Basically if she's gonna be like her mother, that is reach a powerful position without any special bloodline.Then wonder how Sarada will be, if she does the same with her already special bloodline.She basically is the second first Uchiha, all over again.

      Because, I don't how the series will go, I won't fimrly state anything.But I know for sure, Sarada's gonna be the top five of the series best.These are all my own honest opinions.And I most likely won't have the time to reply back.So bye and thanks.

      hinata was never shown or said to have lost hamura's chakra so until canonically shown otherwise she still has it.

      It was never stated that the source of boruto's eye was a mystery it is only the eye (doujutsu) itself is the mystery. It's pretty obvious that it is due to his lineage.

      It started with Indra's children only having half of his DNA, but obviously inbreeding tooking place over the years hence the emergence of dominant traits its basic biology, sarada's children will only have 25% chance to have the sharingan and the probability will continue to decrease by halves so long as her descendants continue to mate with ppl without uchia blood Why do think they use the term CLAN so yea its major factor.

      the sharingan still has a limit which is MS (only transmigrants can acquire rinnegan). Not to mention boruto's eye isn't like the byakugan or sharingan it would more be similar to the tenseigan or rinnegan judging by how toneri spoke about it and even momoshiki, we don't even know if there is also the potential for it to mutate further couple that with the fact the writer only allowed it to manifest in one eye and someone clearly tried to destroy it (or steal it) I am fairly certain it's going to be pretty hax.

      She has talent but was never said to be a prodigy or genius I will not be surprised if eventually boruto surpasses all his pairs sarada included and this really shouldn't upset ppl since the theme of this manga is different.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: She has talent but was never said to be a prodigy or genius I will not be surprised if eventually boruto surpasses all his pairs sarada included and this really shouldn't upset ppl since the theme of this manga is different.

      Honestly I hope that is the case, anyone but an Uchiha should be rivaling Boruto's power, at this point we know everything and had enough of the Uchiha's

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    • Ninjachris wrote: hinata was never shown or said to have lost hamura's chakra so until canonically shown otherwise she still has it.

      It was never stated that the source of boruto's eye was a mystery it is only the eye (doujutsu) itself is the mystery. It's pretty obvious that it is due to his lineage.

      It started with Indra's children only having half of his DNA, but obviously inbreeding tooking place over the years hence the emergence of dominant traits its basic biology, sarada's children will only have 25% chance to have the sharingan and the probability will continue to decrease by halves so long as her descendants continue to mate with ppl without uchia blood Why do think they use the term CLAN so yea its major factor.

      the sharingan still has a limit which is MS (only transmigrants can acquire rinnegan). Not to mention boruto's eye isn't like the byakugan or sharingan it would more be similar to the tenseigan or rinnegan judging by how toneri spoke about it and even momoshiki, we don't even know if there is also the potential for it to mutate further couple that with the fact the writer only allowed it to manifest in one eye and someone clearly tried to destroy it (or steal it) I am fairly certain it's going to be pretty hax.

      She has talent but was never said to be a prodigy or genius I will not be surprised if eventually boruto surpasses all his pairs sarada included and this really shouldn't upset ppl since the theme of this manga is different.

      She hasn't shown to retain it, canonically amd as well as plot wise.If she had SP then she should most likely won against Momo and Kinshi with Sasuke there too.Remember, they said that she tried to stop them, the best she could. So I don't think she has sp chakra.It has never been mentioned ever again after the movie.And hey, people keep on saying Naruto and Sasuke lost SP chakra, even though they canonically show it out.So why can't we just stay with her not having it.Until she shows it?

      Maybe, if it could be of his lineage.But that's too expecteble.There are other options like he being a chosen one of something(thats what they believed for Nagato, having the Rinnegen) Or remember, we already saw a Uzumaki with SP Eyes, believing it to be his(with awakening it, using it perfectly, having the genes for it and stuff)But only to be revealed tp be not.Just someone replaced his eyes like a light bulb.

      Maybe.But I believe, DNA isn't the major essence of Sharingan.It most likely is their chakra.And Chakra is most likely passed down.I mean, remember it was Indras/Hags spiritual and powerful chakra that was passes down.The talent and such may have been due to the inbreeding as you said.But the Chakra isn't.

      How did MS become the limit?And rinnegen was used by both Obito and Nagato, with being praised for it's use. Sarada still has that blood/chakra connection with her dad's eyes.It's mainly her ems.And most likely because of those symptom.She's gonna be able to use it, like her own.Maybe even better than Sasuke.And anyways.Uchihas get stronger with Emotional pain.Sarada wabts to become Hokage and has acknowledged everyone as her family in the leaf.We see the present condition of the leaf not being that great.And we even have two possible major deaths of two characters.Sasuke(her father, who she hasn't had much time with him. and was always so against him, in a good way though)And Naruto(Her idol).It will emotionally rip her apart.If any of these two happens.

      She is most likely a prodigy just like most of her clan members.

      and Yes, Boruto will most likely surpass everyone, but with that eye and curse mark only.But we don't know if it even the theme of this series.

      And I know, I said this more than once.But now I'm not gonna reply back.So thanks and bye.

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    • Hinata most likely does not have Hamuras chakra. If the did she would have at least gotten the Tenseigan. Not all chakra transfers are permanent/bond with the reciever. Naruto spread Kurama chakra throuought the entire ninja army but there arent a bunch of psuedo jinchuriki running around like wannabe Kinkaku/Ginkaku

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    • The topics in this thread are all over the place.... can we at least stick to tangential topics? what does hamura have to do with this?

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    • A lot of people believe that his chakra from within Hinata somehow makake Boruto strong.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: She hasn't shown to retain it, canonically amd as well as plot wise.If she had SP then she should most likely won against Momo and Kinshi with Sasuke there too.Remember, they said that she tried to stop them, the best she could. So I don't think she has sp chakra.It has never been mentioned ever again after the movie.And hey, people keep on saying Naruto and Sasuke lost SP chakra, even though they canonically show it out.So why can't we just stay with her not having it.Until she shows it?

      This is nonsensical since it took naruto, sasuke the five Kages and boruto to challenge momoshiki and kinshiki. Even with hamura's chakra she and sasuke would be outmatched. Hamura manifested himself to hinata the same way hagoromo did to naruto and sasuke albeit in more tangible way, so why should his chakra vanish from her while naruto and sasuke's remain that is illogical who said that the chakra had to manifest in her eyes because that happened with sasuke doesn't mean it's the template, she still has it, but if she doesn't the hyuga blood is very pure, imagine a developing byakugan being fueled by immensely potent chakra (uzumaki + biju + hag). Or put it this way imagine if sasuke had a child with and hyuga.

      Maybe, if it could be of his lineage.But that's too expecteble.There are other options like he being a chosen one of something(thats what they believed for Nagato, having the Rinnegen) Or remember, we already saw a Uzumaki with SP Eyes, believing it to be his(with awakening it, using it perfectly, having the genes for it and stuff)But only to be revealed tp be not.Just someone replaced his eyes like a light bulb.

      It is definitely due to his lineage (which I am sure will be revealed further in the manga) since they thought it may have been the byakugan, did you ever see anyone else with this doujutsu and it's clearly related to the byakugan and you are neglecting a major difference between nagato and boruto which s their lineage. Nagato's parents had no doujutsu and neither of them were a transmigrant jink, this is a very poor comparison.

      Another thing to note is all the persons who attained the higher doujutsu had transplants sasuke and Madara had their brothers eye and toneri had hanabi maybe this is also a requirement who knows what would happened If hinata got hanabi's eye.

      Maybe.But I believe, DNA isn't the major essence of Sharingan.It most likely is their chakra.And Chakra is most likely passed down.I mean, remember it was Indras/Hags spiritual and powerful chakra that was passes down.The talent and such may have been due to the inbreeding as you said.But the Chakra isn't.

      Whether you say DNA or chakra is really irrelevant since it doesn't change the outcome, and I'm glad you used Indra and ashura as examples because due to their lineage (mother side) neither of them inherited the rinnegan, to take it further only one inherited hags eyes and the other his body, and try as they may their descendants were restricted to the same fate unless they intermarried. Neither of them were as strong as hag but they might have been if their mother were a otsutsuki. So lineage is extremely important

      How did MS become the limit?And rinnegen was used by both Obito and Nagato, with being praised for it's use. Sarada still has that blood/chakra connection with her dad's eyes.It's mainly her ems.And most likely because of those symptom.She's gonna be able to use it, like her own.Maybe even better than Sasuke.And anyways.Uchihas get stronger with Emotional pain.Sarada wabts to become Hokage and has acknowledged everyone as her family in the leaf.We see the present condition of the leaf not being that great.And we even have two possible major deaths of two characters.Sasuke(her father, who she hasn't had much time with him. and was always so against him, in a good way though)And Naruto(Her idol).It will emotionally rip her apart.If any of these two happens.

      I think you confused yourself here a bit did I question anyone's ability to wield the rinnegan or did I say MS is the limit for all uchias since only transmigrants can unlock the rinnegan and even then only by combining senju chakra. Now if sasuke feels need to give his daughter his eye that is all fine still doesn't mean that boruto's eye won't eventually be the strongest doujutsu judging by the early interest in it.

      She is most likely a prodigy just like most of her clan members.

      Again she was never stated to be one, Sakura is intelligent and sasuke is genius so I expect her to be intelligent just not on sasuke's or boruto's level since she is not a prodigy.

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    • @ninjachris: Naruto amd Sasuke kept the chakra given to them by Hagoromo bevause it was given to them and became a part of them. However lent chakra does not stay, like Naruto giving Kuramas chakra to the alliance or Obito giving granting Kakshi DMS, or Sasuke having Orochimarus curse mark.

      Hamuras chakra grants the Tenseigan to pure Byakugan but that didnt and still has not happened to Hinata. The chakra given to her was temporary.

      Also, Naruto could have put up a better fight if he didnt have to tank Momoshikis attack and then get a bunch of his chakra absorbed. The 5 Kage also were more distractions than anything in that fight. As a 4 man team all they really managed to accomplish was holding down 1 guy who ended up breaking free anyways.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Also, Naruto could have put up a better fight if he didnt have to tank Momoshikis attack and then get a bunch of his chakra absorbed. The 5 Kage also were more distractions than anything in that fight. As a 4 man team all they really managed to accomplish was holding down 1 guy who ended up breaking free anyways.

      Sasuke did say, that they would easily be fine.He didn't worry much about both of them.But Naruto's safety was at stake.So he had to bring a team, just in case. Believing that anyone will be helpful in any situation.Even Boruto.Which showed how much he changed from his younger self, I must say.

      @Ninjachris.Sasuke himself handled against both of them at the begining of the movie.It wasn't even that much of an event for him.That he just said it easily to Naruto when he remembered. So if(And thats a big if) Hinata really did have SP chakra.Then they wouldn't have left the planet.

      Um, we didn't know about Nagato's parent until it was revealed.Until then, it was believed that Uzumaki's have the Rinnegen as KG.Until the whole Madara eye switch thing came about.

      And I believe the point of people thinking it as Byakugan would be to make it think it's due to his lineage.There can be other situations like I said.And this wouldn't be the first time, the series wanted us to think something, else and then be revealed to be something other than that. Eg:Sarada's glasses.Nagato having Yahiko's hair, making it seem like Yahiko took Nagato's eyes.Nagato being the orginal user of the rinnegen, after awakening it,etc. For all we know, Toneri could be the one responsible for all this.

      Um, Chakra really does change the outcome, big time.Hag having a totally different eye from his mother, which seemed to have atleast equal powers to hers.Having the ability to repel it's genjutsu, absorb chakra, gravitational power, etc.

      If that wasn't clear.Take it as this.Hag and Ham share the same kind of DNA.As they are complete brothers.Yet, both of them have two different, very distinct eyes.One has tenseigan and the other Rinnegen.Which are results of their Chakra.

      While, Indra inherited his fathers Chakra and had a whole new doujutsu,Which is onky similar to his grandmother with Ashura having something different.That is through chakra.

      The WR is said to be Senju kg.Yet the only one who was able to use it was Hashi, and his brother couldn't even produce a plant.

      Boruto and Himawari are siblings.Yet, only Boruto seems to have this special eye.While she has norma byakugan.

      Even Kaguya didn't have any DNA for Rinne Sharingan.She gained it through Chakra, that is the Chakra fruit itsef.So I believe, considering Uchihas produce Rinnegen through chakra through the brain, it has to be more related to Chakra than DNA.As even Sasuke and Naruto gained powers through DNA.I must admit, I could be wrong.And I know, I might have nit stated it clear enough, but that's the best I can do right now.And I'll stick with my opinion.

      I did state that Boruto's gonna be stronger with that eye and CM.

      The manga clearly didn't give her the inside audience Sasuke had.You know, the ones who talk about when he is fighting.Like Kakashi.Sarada's main fight ended at the Chunnin exams ended so quickly that no one had the time to even blurt out anything.Atleast, she shown that she could perform the Chakra control of Sakura at a very younger age.And her shuriken skills being that of a jonin.She was shown in the anime to copy jutsus just by seeing it.That's a prodigy.

      I think I had enough of this debate.The main point of this discussion is Sarada going to be weak while Boruto's strong.Which doesn't seem to be the case.Considering her lineage and being from a fan favorite clan.And this not being Naruto 0.2 with females not sharing that much of the spotlight as before.I guess we can all agree on that.So I'll be going.Thanks and bye everyone.Peace.

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    • @LegionZero

      How do you know the chakra given to hinata didn't become part of her, hamura wasn't a biju he appeared as a apparition just like hagoromo did. He and hagoromo were twins so why would hagoromo giving chakra to a pair of his descendants be any different from hamura giving chakra to one of his??

      @BlazeRelease

      I agree with @LegionZero. Most off what you posted was erroneous and some parts illogical.

      1. Sasuke was fighting kinshiki alone whilst momoshiki was just watching and then had to flee because kinshiki was overwhelming him don't know which movie you were watching where he was fighting them both. Sasuke had help fighting kinshiki from the Kages it was the only way they were able to over power him thereby allowing momoshiki to consume him.

      2. What are you talking about kayuga had all three eyes the byakugan and the rinnesharigan in her forehead. It altered her DNA so she could gain it, since it was a physically bodily change. Hag had eyes with equal powers to kayuga?? Well I guess that explains why he took both and his brother literally weeks to seal her, makes sense. Hags eye was nowhere close to kayuga.

      3. Again the nagato reference is way off for reasons already mentioned. We know boruto's unique lineage besides naruto the best sensing ninja alive I think he would have noticed if the guy who tried to steal his wife physically apppeared in konoha. Since he would have to physically tamper with boruto's eye.

      4. You do know that siblings (identical twins excluded) never get all the same DNA from their parents right?? This is explained by biologists using a deck of cards, each parent deck has 52 when they have a child the child gets 26 from each parent. When they have another child the deck is shuffled and the other child gets a different 26 from each parent, now some of the cards will be the same (he why siblings have similar traits) but all wouldn't be the same and in the highly unlikely event that it is the same then the order would be different. The way boruto's genes from his parents matched is what is the most logical explanation for his strange doujutsu.

      Chakra had zero to do with ashura getting hags body and his mother's eye, and vice versa with Indra getting hags eyes and his mother body that was strictly DNA/genes.

      Can you explain why himiwari has the byakugan and boruto doesn't??? By your logic all children should look identical and be of same sex just because they have same parents.

      Well I guess everyone who wields a sharingan is a prodigy, being a prodigy/genius involves having unusually high levels of intelligence as displayed by boruto in solving the math problem and showing how easily he understood. The only other student who did it faster than him was mitsuki who happened to be a synthetic human created by Oro, not sarada. So she is not a genius or a prodigy sorry. While boruto was stated and shown to be a natural genius without trying clearly sarada puts effort.

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    • Ninjachris wrot 60e: @LegionZero

      How do you know the chakra given to hinata didn't become part of her, hamura wasn't a biju he appeared as a apparition just like hagoromo did. He and hagoromo were twins so why would hagoromo giving chakra to a pair of his descendants be any different from hamura giving chakra to one of his??

      @BlazeRelease

      I agree with @LegionZero. Most off what you posted was erroneous and some parts illogical.

      1. Sasuke was fighting kinshiki alone whilst momoshiki was just watching and then had to flee because kinshiki was overwhelming him don't know which movie you were watching where he was fighting them both. Sasuke had help fighting kinshiki from the Kages it was the only way they were able to over power him thereby allowing momoshiki to consume him.

      2. What are you talking about kayuga had all three eyes the byakugan and the rinnesharigan in her forehead. It altered her DNA so she could gain it, since it was a physically bodily change. And hags eye was nowhere close to kayuga could he cast infinite TS??

      3. Again the nagato reference is way off for reasons already mentioned. We know boruto's unique lineage besides naruto the best sensing ninja alive I think he would have noticed if the guy who tried to steal his wife physically apppeared in konoha. Since he would have to physically tamper with boruto's eye.

      4. You do know that siblings (identical twins excluded) never get all the same DNA from their parents right?? This is explained by biologists using a deck of cards, each parent deck has 52 when they have a child the child gets 26 from each parent. When they have another child the deck is shuffled and the other child gets a different 26 from each parent, now some of the cards will be the same (he why siblings have similar traits) but all wouldn't be the same and in the highly unlikely event that it is the same then the order would be different. The way boruto's genes from his parents matched is what is the most logical explanation for his strange doujutsu.

      Can you explain why himiwari has the byakugan and boruto doesn't??? By your logic all children should look identical and be of same sex just because they have same parents.

      Well I guess everyone who wields a sharingan is a prodigy, being a prodigy/genius involves having unusually high levels of intelligence as displayed by boruto in solving the math problem and showing how easily he understood. The only other student who did it faster than him was mitsuki who happened to be a synthetic human created by Oro, not sarada. So she is not a genius or a prodigy sorry. While boruto was stated and shown to be a natural genius without trying clearly sarada puts effort.

      I didn't get the time to see what I writing.And hey, I never claimed to be perfect.So yeah, I can make mistakes.As much I want.

      1.I don't know which movie you were watching where he was getting overwhelmed by Kinshi.Can I just ask you, have you seen how Sasuke when he was serious, took of his cloak and bashed around Kinshi absorbed Momo in taijutsu with Naruto? And that's not at all.Well I'm not going to start with how the whole movie ignored many of Sasuke jutsus, so it could be a long fight.Like PS,Genjutsu,CT, etc.But this isn't a Sasuke vs Kimo fight.So I'm going to end that there.

      2.Kaguya did not have Tenseigan. And The Rinnegen did repel the effects of IT.Was one of the conditions for SP CT.The technique tha finally defeated her.It had a number of powerful jutsus.As well as Time Space jutsu.

      3.I never said it had to be Toneri.And you're forgetting that Natuto needs to activate his modes for any kind of sensing.Remember Momo being only be able to see by Sasuke and Boruto.

      4.So every one of them was a special case of DNA matching?Even though some of them had totally different powers and abilities?Like every one of them?And even if I'm wrong.I wasn't talking about DNA passing down.I was talking about Chakra passing down.

      If I'm right, Doejutsus are mainly produced through Chakra.As the user posseses a special kind of Chakra and spiritual power.They are different from other KGs.As Obito could place two MS with Kakashi temperarily.

      Mostly Chakra does not work the same way as DNA.As Chakra could be even reincarnated through a whole different person.And Kaguya never had Chakra by her blood.She gained it through the Chakra fruit.Thus her son had chakra in his bloodline. There are cases of Chakra being used through use of Cells.Like WR. But then, there are cases of Transmigrants, Obito's MS.The sage giving chakra to Naruto and Sasuke.Sealing chakra in others like Minato with Naruto and Gaara's mother with him by.They are all not cases of DNA.But chakra being passed down.And hey, let's not go for a logical debate about DNA and such for an anime.It doesn't work on the conditions of the real world.Most likely you would win in such a debate against me.But this is a different debate.

      As I said above.I was talking about powers and Chakra.Not DNA, itself.

      Um....You probably should look up at the Uchiha clan page.Uchiha are born prodigy.That's why they are that strong.And Sasuke,Madara and Itachi were prodigies among that clan of prodigies.And Obito was a late bloomer.Why else do you think, everyone feared and looked up at the Uchiha clan members?

      Ugh, Maybe I do things wrong.I'm not that smart in most cases.But I don't think I'm wrong in this.So Sorry, if any of you didn't understand my opinion and sorry for saying this again.I'm not gonna reply back anymore.So Thanks and bye everyone. :)

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    • @BlazeRelease

      Was fighting with NARUTO's help huge difference and still got severely torched another bad example.

      Kayuga didn't have the tenseigan and know one we currently know ever had boruto's doujutsu hence the term mutation.

      You going on and on about chakra like if it can exist without the vessel/body or as if the body/genes have no influence over it. You do know each individual have their own chakra signature type? And you do know that chakra is the combination of physical + spiritual energy right? Why do think persons have affinities?? Ever heard about bloodline limits?? What does bloodcells contain?? Did Madara, danzo, obito not to mention Yamato a hashirama clone you know using his cells/DNA use WR because they had hashi chakra or is cells/DNA??? This thing about chakra doesn't make any sense.

      None of the arguments you suggested about boruto's doujutsu sound even half as plausible as what is obvious it is due to naruto and hinata. Unless konoha is just a free for all now and anyone can enter at their whims and fancy besides nagato was orphaned in a war ravaged country. What possible reason can anyone have to risk getting caught by naruto to give his son an extremely powerful eye, that would be kinda stupid on that individual's part.

      First you say they are BORN prodigies then you say obito was a late bloomer did he hatch? She is not a prodigy dude get over it and remember she is only 50%uchia.

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    • Hinata does not have Tenseigan, which would the result of her getting Hamura's chakra infused into her. Again, not all chakra transfers are permenant. Sasuke kept none of Jugo or Orochimarus chakra.

      Hagoromo and Hamura are fraternal twins..

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    • LegionZero wrote: Hinata does not have Tenseigan, which would the result of her getting Hamura's chakra infused into her. Again, not all chakra transfers are permenant. Sasuke kept none of Jugo or Orochimarus chakra.

      Hagoromo and Hamura are fraternal twins..

      Like I said sasuke, Madara and toneri all have one thing in common they all had eye transplants maybe this is also a requirement. Who knows she may unlock the tenseigan if hanabi's eye were transplanted seeing that toneri also referred to hanabi's eyes as "pure".

      It doesn't matter what kind of twins they were, they were brothers with same parents are you implying that hamura is more similar to a biju than his own twin brother?? The manner in which hamura bestowed chakra to hinata was very similar to what hagoromo did with naruto and sasuke so why should theirs be permanent and hers temporary can you explain the difference in the process?

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    • Toneri having Hanabi's eyes are circumstantial. He took her eyes so that he could have Hinata as a bride. Hinata has pure eyes simply by being part of the Hyugas main house.

      And what do you not get about a temporary transfer? Obito did it. Chakra absorbing characters do it. It was a non-infusing transfer because Hamura wanted it that way. Hagoromo did it when he spread chakra throughout all of humanity but he did not spead 6 Paths chakra or any of his abilities. There is an entire page on this wiki dedicated to different instances of chakra transfers and their effects.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Toneri having Hanabi's eyes are circumstantial. He took her eyes so that he could have Hinata as a bride. Hinata has pure eyes simply by being part of the Hyugas main house.

      And what do you not get about a temporary transfer? Obito did it. Chakra absorbing characters do it. It was a non-infusing transfer because Hamura wanted it that way. Hagoromo did it when he spread chakra throughout all of humanity but he did not spead 6 Paths chakra or any of his abilities. There is an entire page on this wiki dedicated to different instances of chakra transfers and their effects.

      He specifically said hanabi's eyes were pure that being circumstantial is your opinion not manga fact. What is manga fact was that the three persons who achieved the highest formed of their respective doujutsu ALL HAD EYE TRANSPLANT prior to doing so. As a matter of fact what difference does it make whose eye toneri took fact remains he still needed a hyuga transplant to achieve the tenseigan. Until you can show where anyone achieved it with their own eyes I won't be wasting anymore time on that part of the argument.

      What I get is that the word temporary was never used to describe hamura's chakra transfer, what I get is that he was hagoromo's twin brother bestowing a chakra gift to one of his descendants in like manner to his brother.

      How do you know what hamura wanted?? Did you read his mind? Was there a part of the movie I missed when he said this?

      There is no page saying hamura transfer was any different than hags or that it was temporary that's your personal opinion/head cannon not manga fact, actually trying to compare hamura to a biju rather than his twin brother.

      And please let's all try and stick to manga facts when debating, you know things that actually happened or was actually said.

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    • Actually the manga confirmed that Hagoromo's chakra activated the Rinnegan, not the transplantation process. The transplants are needed to push the Sharingan further, but the Rinnegan is a seperate dojutsu.

      So Rinnegan=Hagoromo's chakra+Uchiha eye.

      Hinata is the Bykugan Princess. If that doesnt say pure then i dont know what does.

      The Last says a Hyuga eye is needed for Tenseigan. Tranplantation isnt a pre-req. Toneri needing a transplant was because 1) he had no eyes and 2)wasnt a Hyuga. Hagoromo and Hamura activated their eyes without transplant.

      But Toneri lost the Tenseigan near the end and Hanabi does not have it, even though here eyes were the ones that changed.

      Hamuras chakra is gone. No one who has gained it at any point has retained it.

      And stop implying i am saying Hamura is like the Bijuu. What im saying is there are all kinds of chakra transfers: temporary, infusion, some that have an effect and some that serve just as a refill.

      Now considering Hinata doesnt have the Tenseigan, it isnt that hard to see the that Hamura lent his chakra rather than infusing it. And we know it can be distributed differently because Hagoromo has only given away certain aspects of his chakra with different effects, as have other characters. To suggest that a Sage of 6 Paths is incapable of choosing what parts of this chakra and how another recieves it is ridiculous.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Actually the manga confirmed that Hagoromo's chakra activated the Rinnegan, not the transplantation process. The transplants are needed to push the Sharingan further, but the Rinnegan is a seperate dojutsu.

      So Rinnegan=Hagoromo's chakra+Uchiha eye.

      Hinata is the Bykugan Princess. If that doesnt say pure then i dont know what does.

      The Last says a Hyuga eye is needed for Tenseigan. Tranplantation isnt a pre-req. Toneri needing a transplant was because 1) he had no eyes and 2)wasnt a Hyuga. Hagoromo and Hamura activated their eyes without transplant.

      But Toneri lost the Tenseigan near the end and Hanabi does not have it, even though here eyes were the ones that changed.

      Hamuras chakra is gone. No one who has gained it at any point has retained it.

      And stop implying i am saying Hamura is like the Bijuu. What im saying is there are all kinds of chakra transfers: temporary, infusion, some that have an effect and some that serve just as a refill.

      Now considering Hinata doesnt have the Tenseigan, it isnt that hard to see the that Hamura lent his chakra rather than infusing it. And we know it can be distributed differently because Hagoromo has only given away certain aspects of his chakra with different effects, as have other characters. To suggest that a Sage of 6 Paths is incapable of choosing what parts of this chakra and how another recieves it is ridiculous.

      1. Hag chakra + itachis transplanted eyes in Sasuke = rinnegan

      2. Hag chakra + izuna's transplanted eyes in Madara = rinnegan

      what bs are you going on about if toneri needed a hyuga eye none of the moon otsutsuki were hyugas how in the world was he going to achieve it without a hyuga transplant???

      And you just helped prove my point by stating that hanabi's eyes were normal once she received them, do you know why because they were her own eyes to begin with and not someone else's like in the case of sasuke, Madara and toneri.

      Hagoromo and hamura were kayuga's children she had after she eat the chakra fruit, their chakra was enormous and very potent, how you could think to compare them to sasuke or hinata is beyond me that's just plain ridiculous.

      Ok let's compare what hamura did with what naruto did and hagoromo did.

      Firstly naruto was alive, both hagoromo and hamura were dead.

      Both hamura and hagoromo manifested themselves to their descendants.

      Both hamura and hagoromo were children of kayuga which they said were fairly equal in power bijus excluded. So due to reasonable deduction the effects of them doing basically the same thing will have the same result.

      Hinata has hamura's chakra until she dies.

      But hey if you can post a chapter, page or some timestamp from the movie which categorically states otherwise then this argument will be over, but you can't can you.

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    • sarada doesn't just punch the ground, but Boruto is much better than her.

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    • The transplants were coincidents. Chapter 671 Hagoromo claims that the Rinnegan was activated because his chakra was recreated. Nothing about needing transplanted eyes.

      Hanabi's eyes lost the Tenseigan while still on Toneris skull so your point is moot. The point i was trying to make clearly flew over your head. The transplant wouldnt be necissary if he was Hyuuga. He would just need Osutsuki chakra.Any pure blooded Hyuga would only need Otsutsuki chakra for Tenseigan. This is further evidenced by the fact that at least a couple hundred Otsutsuki Byakugan floated around him at the end of the movie and he did not take/keep any of them to form a new Tenseigan.

      Toneri explained that the Tenseigan becomes active when a pure byakugan mixes with his chakra. Guess who got a big great helping of Otsutski chakra from Hamura himself? Hinata, but she didnt get Tenseigan. She still hasnt gotten it nor has she gotten a chakra mode and did Hanabi. This means they no Otsutsuki chakra in them.

      Not to mention it would have been incredibly helpful during the Momoshiki Incident if she shared even a little bit of that Hamura chakra when her son left but no.

      And she used Hamura chakra to replenish Narutos chakra near the end of the Last, but Naruto hasnt used any Hamura enhanced attacks.

      Everything about Hamuras power was temporary and deductive reasoning would tell you the chakra Hinata recieved was not infused into her.

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    • LegionZero wrote: The transplants were coincidents. Chapter 671 Hagoromo claims that the Rinnegan was activated because his chakra was recreated. Nothing about needing transplanted eyes.

      Hanabi's eyes lost the Tenseigan while still on Toneris skull so your point is moot. The point i was trying to make clearly flew over your head. The transplant wouldnt be necissary if he was Hyuuga. He would just need Osutsuki chakra.Any pure blooded Hyuga would only need Otsutsuki chakra for Tenseigan. This is further evidenced by the fact that at least a couple hundred Otsutsuki Byakugan floated around him at the end of the movie and he did not take/keep any of them to form a new Tenseigan.

      Toneri explained that the Tenseigan becomes active when a pure byakugan mixes with his chakra. Guess who got a big great helping of Otsutski chakra from Hamura himself? Hinata, but she didnt get Tenseigan. She still hasnt gotten it nor has she gotten a chakra mode and did Hanabi. This means they no Otsutsuki chakra in them.

      Not to mention it would have been incredibly helpful during the Momoshiki Incident if she shared even a little bit of that Hamura chakra when her son left but no.

      And she used Hamura chakra to replenish Narutos chakra near the end of the Last, but Naruto hasnt used any Hamura enhanced attacks.

      Everything about Hamuras power was temporary and deductive reasoning would tell you the chakra Hinata recieved was not infused into her.

      Ok so I guess no proof o anyone acquiring rinnegan/tenseigan without a transplant. remind me again did hagoromo give Madara chakra?? And wasn't it obvious that hag activated sasuke's rinnegan why are you referencing already known information did I say hag chakra is not required did you miss my previous post where I showed it was a combination of transplanted eyes, hags chakra and being a transmigrant. It was itachi's eyes it's not a coincidence because you say so, I said provide evidence of someone who did without a eye transplant why is that so difficult for you to do.

      And what does it matter if toneri lost the tenseigan, what does that have to do with requiring a transplant in the first place. Did you miss the part where he suffered massive trauma due to a megaton punch to the face. I swear your post aren't logical or coherent whatsoever.

      Guess who didn't have a eye transplant?? hinata.

      Guess who hamura called the byakugan princess?? hinata.

      Guess who hamura said the fate of the earth relied upon?? hinata.

      Her not acquiring the tenseigan actually validates my point that the eyes need to be transplanted more than it does any of the arguments you put forward. Since what I am saying actually happened. I already proved that everyone who acquired rinnegan/tenseigan had eye transplant, you can't prove otherwise so you call it a coincidence due to the lack of evidence you have to support your claim. that's one heck of a coincidence.

      It so stupid to think his chakra would fade and hags would remain when all the circumstances are the same. Hamura knew she was his descendant with a significant part to play in saving earth why would he give her chakra that could runout, what if toneri was more difficult to deal with than expected or if naruto wasn't there to fight him. Then the possibility exists that the chakra he gave her could be exhausted just in the fight with toneri and then she wouldn't be able to destroy the giant tenseigan and the moon would still crash into earth.

      1. Hag gave naruto and sasuke some of his chakra permanently because of the magnitude of the threat.

      2. Considering that toneri's threat was of the same or maybe even larger magnitude (since he actually wanted to destroy the earth) it is only common sense that he would give hinata his chakra permanently also.

      There is absolutely no proof that she lost it, but there is proof that she received it. Show pg/chpt./timestamp stating that she lost it. Even the wiki says that she possesses hamura's chakra.

      And none of this changes the fact that with or without hamura's chakra boruto's lineage is way superior to all of his pairs sarada included. Hinata having hamura's chakra just magnifies that. He is blessed with way more natural potential.

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    • Well, this thread has outlived it's usefulness.

      Ninjachris wrote: It so stupid to think his chakra would fade and hags would remain when all the circumstances are the same.

      Naruto and Sasuke obtained their power outside of Hagoromo. Hagoromo just facilitated the manifestation. The Juubi grants Six paths Senjutsu and Ashura+indra chakra gives the Rinnegan. Naruto obtained the former with the 9 biju and Sasuke the latter from Hashirama/Naruto/Kabuto. Without Hagoromo's intervention they'd eventually have obtained that power for themselves, just not (judging by Madara) that fast.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Well, this thread has outlived it's usefulness.

      Ninjachris wrote: It so stupid to think his chakra would fade and hags would remain when all the circumstances are the same.

      Naruto and Sasuke obtained their power outside of Hagoromo. Hagoromo just facilitated the manifestation. The Juubi grants Six paths Senjutsu and Ashura+indra chakra gives the Rinnegan. Naruto obtained the former with the 9 biju and Sasuke the latter from Hashirama/Naruto/Kabuto. Without Hagoromo's intervention they'd eventually have obtained that power for themselves, just not (judging by Madara) that fast.

      I agree about the biju and hashi cells since this is something I have also stated. However you are just talking about the means/transport to the destination not the destination itself and hag clearly gave some his chakra directly hence the seals. Hamura directly gave his to hinata in like manner.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: hag clearly gave some his chakra directly hence the seals. Hamura directly gave his to hinata in like manner.

      Those seals also disappeared in the end.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Ninjachris wrote: hag clearly gave some his chakra directly hence the seals. Hamura directly gave his to hinata in like manner.

      Those seals also disappeared in the end.

      You kidding right? They both lost the hands with the seal, fact check sometimes!

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    • Ninjachris wrote: You kidding right? They both lost the hands with the seal, fact check sometimes!

      when they performed Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, the very same seals reappear on Hagoromo's hand, indicating that the borrowed power is used up.

      Ch694p7 we see no seal on Naruto's hand. Ch694p12 we see no mark on Sasuke's hand. Ch695p5 no seal on Sasuke's hand. Ch696p4 no mark on sasuke's hand. Ch697p17 no seal is seen on Sasuke's hand.

      Evidence they have the seal:0. Evidence they have no seal: 6.

      Don't tell me to fact check.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Ninjachris wrote: You kidding right? They both lost the hands with the seal, fact check sometimes!

      when they performed Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, the very same seals reappear on Hagoromo's hand, indicating that the borrowed power is used up.

      Ch694p7 we see no seal on Naruto's hand. Ch694p12 we see no mark on Sasuke's hand. Ch695p5 no seal on Sasuke's hand. Ch696p4 no mark on sasuke's hand. Ch697p17 no seal is seen on Sasuke's hand.

      Evidence they have the seal:0. Evidence they have no seal: 6.

      Don't tell me to fact check.

      Ok the seal was placed on kayuga but it didn't disappear as you claimed only transferred to her, which means it would have remained with them if not placed on her so it was permanent until used. Isn't the seal still upon kayuga?? So then how was it temporary? It changes nothing naruto's and sasuke's achieved abilities was hastened by the direct influence of hags chakra and didn't take years like Madara, so the same is highly probable with hinata.

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    • Ninjachris wrote: Ok the seal was placed on kayuga but it didn't disappear as you claimed only transferred to her, which means it would have remained with them if not placed on her so it was permanent until used.

      I have no idea what you're trying to prove here. The seals returning to Hagoromo indicates that this was simply the power he had lent them. Six paths Chibaku Tensei is cast with those seals, but the seals themselves aren't transferred to Kaguya, they were transferred back to Hagoromo as was clearly and unambiguously shown. We don't know if they are permanent, but that doesn't matter. Hinata has no such marks.

      So by everything we know and observe, Hamura's power didn't stick to hinata because she lacked the underlying ingredients to maintain it, while Naruto and Sasuke had their power independent of Hagoromo, just shaped by him. The seals were only ever intended as a temporary measure.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Ninjachris wrote: Ok the seal was placed on kayuga but it didn't disappear as you claimed only transferred to her, which means it would have remained with them if not placed on her so it was permanent until used.

      I have no idea what you're trying to prove here. The seals returning to Hagoromo indicates that this was simply the power he had lent them. Six paths Chibaku Tensei is cast with those seals, but the seals themselves aren't transferred to Kaguya, they were transferred back to Hagoromo as was clearly and unambiguously shown. We don't know if they are permanent, but that doesn't matter. Hinata has no such marks.

      So by everything we know and observe, Hamura's power didn't stick to hinata because she lacked the underlying ingredients to maintain it, while Naruto and Sasuke had their power independent of Hagoromo, just shaped by him. The seals were only ever intended as a temporary measure.

      I'm proved that hagoromo gave them something tangible that was permanent, hinata was not required to seal kayuga only destroy the tenseigan. Why don't you provide chpt and pg reference where it is unambiguously stated that she lost or that it was temporary. Until you can do so SHE STILL HAS IT.

      And let me repeat with or without it she is still the hyuga princess who had children with ashura's transmigrant who happens to be the nine tails jink from birth, even being infused with kuruma's chakra from within the womb. Naruto's entire body is saturated with kuruma's chakra, it is obvious to any logical thinking person that his and hinata's children would be extraordinary. Boruto is already ahead because of his unique lineage hag + hams chakra just significantly increases the gap.

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    • Continuing this discussion is kinda pointless considering the latest episode.

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    • Sarutobii2 wrote: Continuing this discussion is kinda pointless considering the latest episode.

      Based on just 1 episode, not an arc or a season just 1 episode aren't we being presumptuous.

      So I guess the episode with nue and boruto dimension traveling places him on sasuke's level.

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    • Everyone who has talked about advancing eyes to Rinnegan/Tenseigan never said they needed to be transplanted, only that the eyes require certain chakra to be added to them. On the EMS was stated to require a transplant and the whole Sharingan dojutsu line is seperate from the Rinnegan line.

      Only someone not of the bloodline with the power of the eye

      One only needs certain chakra applied to certain eyes to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan. Chapter 671 around 53 minutes or so into the Last confirms this

      Now its your turn. When/where does it say that transplants were necessary to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan

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    • LegionZero wrote: Everyone who has talked about advancing eyes to Rinnegan/Tenseigan never said they needed to be transplanted, only that the eyes require certain chakra to be added to them. On the EMS was stated to require a transplant and the whole Sharingan dojutsu line is seperate from the Rinnegan line.

      Only someone not of the bloodline with the power of the eye

      One only needs certain chakra applied to certain eyes to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan. Chapter 671 around 53 minutes or so into the Last confirms this

      Now its your turn. When/where does it say that transplants were necessary to achieve Rinnegan/Tenseigan

      So what you are in a nutshell is that you still have absolutely no evidence of someone achieving rinnegan/tenseigan with their own eyes (certain eyes which are clan members but not the individuals).

      PS: I am not required to prove anything since the manga already does that for me, sasuke, Madara and toneri all had transplants there's my proof where's yours???

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    • Thekillman wrote: when they performed Six Paths Chibaku Tensei, the very same seals reappear on Hagoromo's hand, indicating that the borrowed power is used up.

      Ch694p7 we see no seal on Naruto's hand. Ch694p12 we see no mark on Sasuke's hand. Ch695p5 no seal on Sasuke's hand. Ch696p4 no mark on sasuke's hand. Ch697p17 no seal is seen on Sasuke's hand.

      Evidence they have the seal:0. Evidence they have no seal: 6.

      Don't tell me to fact check.

      Evidence they still have seal, Check Boruto manga ch 5 Momoshiki and kinshiki pg 42 (twice appearance of seal), pg 46 last panel, ch 8 you must act: pg 25 or 26 even kurama avatar has the seal. Same chapter naruto redisplays the seal. So yeah seal power is permanent.
      As far as talk about Hamura is concerned, I am pretty sure even Hinata was said to have fought against momoshiki and survived. Without six paths equivalent or some OP jutsu powering her up(like sakura is powered up by 100 seals) I don't see anyone surviving in that combat.

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    • @Namikazenaruto9

      Even though there are times individuals may be on opposing sides of a debate, I can appreciate when someone does proper research and backs their claim up with factual evidence. I never noticed the seal on naruto's palm in this picture before, you are very observant.

      @Thekillman what were you saying about the seal again?? So yea fact check would be in order.

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    • @chris: the process has been explained multiple times and transplant wasnt part of any explination. But if you want to miacontextualize circumstances go ahead

      But since you believe that the process is Transplant+ Special chakra + Special eye then that means you Hamura and Hagoromo got transplants as well. Which they werent stated to but since everyone else had a transplant regardless of their circumstances that makes it a pre-req so Hag&Hamura had to have had one.

      @namikaze: anything on Kurama is his chakra mode design as opposed to the seal itself. The seals they recieved were to activate 6 Paths Chibaku Tensi and not representative of the power.

      Also the other 4 Kage did push Kinshiki around a bit. Considering that Momo and Kin pretty much had Naruto they didnt need to kill Hinata and could have killed her if they really wanted to.

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    • LegionZero wrote: @chris: the process has been explained multiple times and transplant wasnt part of any explination. But if you want to miacontextualize circumstances go ahead

      But since you believe that the process is Transplant+ Special chakra + Special eye then that means you Hamura and Hagoromo got transplants as well. Which they werent stated to but since everyone else had a transplant regardless of their circumstances that makes it a pre-req so Hag&Hamura had to have had one.

      I see you are getting desperate, and putting forward rather comical arguments now. But let me highlight the idiocies of your argument.

      1. Hag/ham were otsutsuki and kayuga's children they had the most potent chakra after kayuga, and you are equating them to their descendants watered down by thousands of years. Yea that seems like a plausible comparison.

      2. So by your "logical" comparison hag/ham required hashi cells to right? To recreate his own chakra Since you are equating them to sasuke etc, all things being equal.

      It is really simple hagoromo and hamura achieved their higher doujutsu on their own because of the immense chakra, its potency and them being original otsutsuki not watered down descendants.

      @kamikaze: anything on Kurama is his chakra mode design as opposed to the seal itself. The seals they recieved were to activate 6 Paths Chibaku Tensi and not representative of the power.

      Also the other 4 Kage did push Kinshiki around a bit. Considering that Momo and Kin pretty much had Naruto they didnt need to kill Hinata and could have killed her if they really wanted to.

      I see you clearly bypassed chpt 5, page42 reference in a very poor attempt to validate an already debunked argument, go take a look at it, it's clearly on naruto's right palm (not the left) where it original was and it looks exactly the same. And the most interesting thing was that this is his hashi hand which means the seal is probably chakra based and regenerates after use.

      Hinata has hamura chakra for life and boruto already has a head start because of his genetics. And I almost certain his lineage will be referenced again when the manga actually starts to focus on his eye, remember this post.

      Quit while you're ahead dude, it's not looking good your arguments are starting to unravel.

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    • @chris: you just said that the chakra made the change in the eye. And that the descendants were just watered down in power. What role does thw transplant play in all this? Uchiha to uchiha eye transfers dont do anything to recreate Hagoromos chakra. Hyuga to hyuga wouldnt do anything to recreate Hamuras chakra. Be real. You are turning coincidence into fact. When multiple characters pointed out the chakra made the change. Not the chakra and the transplanted eyes. Even Kabuto who was only semi-right about awakening the Rinnegan stated that mixing the chakras would change the eye, not mentioning a transplant

      Im curious to see why you think the transplant is necessary for characters who already have the special eye, like Madara? Since you want to add this pre-req so badly despite Hagoromo himself not mentioning Madaras transplant.

      Also Obito lent Kakashi chakra and gave him special eyes and he did not keep them and he is a 6 paths user just like Hamura and Hagoromo, but Kakashi doesnt have 6 Paths or special eyes anymore.

      Also check the edge of the panel on Ch8 p42. He has the same circle design on the other palm. The same circle design that is all over KCM. Which covers the etirety of Narutos body. Kurama actually has the same circle patterns since VOTE 2 when it was confirmed Naruto no longer had the seal.

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    • LegionZero wrote: @chris: you just said that the chakra made the change in the eye. And that the descendants were just watered down in power. What role does thw transplant play in all this? Uchiha to uchiha eye transfers dont do anything to recreate Hagoromos chakra. Hyuga to hyuga wouldnt do anything to recreate Hamuras chakra. Be real. You are turning coincidence into fact. When multiple characters pointed out the chakra made the change. Not the chakra and the transplanted eyes. Even Kabuto who was only semi-right about awakening the Rinnegan stated that mixing the chakras would change the eye, not mentioning a transplant

      Im curious to see why you think the transplant is necessary for characters who already have the special eye, like Madara? Since you want to add this pre-req so badly despite Hagoromo himself not mentioning Madaras transplant.

      Also Obito lent Kakashi chakra and gave him special eyes and he did not keep them and he is a 6 paths user just like Hamura and Hagoromo, but Kakashi doesnt have 6 Paths or special eyes anymore.

      Also check the edge of the panel on Ch8 p42. He has the same circle design on the other palm. The same circle design that is all over KCM. Which covers the etirety of Narutos body. Kurama actually has the same circle patterns since VOTE 2 when it was confirmed Naruto no longer had the seal.

      To begin with you comparing hagoromo and hamura to the likes of sasuke, toneri etc, which is nonsense. Hagoromo and hamura got chakra from the chakra fruit once removed and their mother was a pure otsutsuki there eyes would be significantly purer than their descendants.

      Kayuga had twins so it was said that her chakra (a portion of it) was basically evenly split between them. Then hagoromo had twins splitting his chakra and genes, hence why they needed to recombine to recreate his chakra. We have very little information about hamura's children, how much he had how his chakra was divided amongst them etc. Its obvious that the mechanism for hamura's descendants differ a bit rom hags, most noticeable there's is never any differentiation between hamura's body and eyes.

      You say I'm taking coincidence as fact, but you are assuming just because hagoromo' chakra had a certain result in his descendants (transmigrants of Indra) the same automatically holds true for hamura and that is flawed.

      If you say eye transplant isn't required? Then even in that case Hinata could have still received hamura's chakra permanently. I have been looking at it from the wrong side. Both sasuke and Madara needed hashirama cell grafts also to achieve the rinnegan. And if naruto or hashirama wanted to unlock it they would need to have sasuke's and Madara's eyes transplanted this is a well known fact. Now if we really want to compare hamura's and hagoromo's descendants then the moon otsutsuki would represent the senju and the hyuga the uchia. Only difference both clans have byakugan but of different purity.

      Now the reason I said the moon otsutsuki is more similar to the senju is because toneri transplanted hyuga eyes and unlocked the tenseigan. Now a hyuga/uchia would also require DNA from moon otsutsuki/senju. So it is also highly probable that hinata would unlock the tenseigan with a graft of toneri's cells.

      And I think you are mixing the chapters up its chapter5 page42 not chapter 8, and the design on the left palm is clearly different from the right. The left has a thin circle ring around the thumb the right doesn't have this. And the seal is in the exact same place, and is the exact same size.

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    • Sarutobii2 wrote: Continuing this discussion is kinda pointless considering the latest episode.

      Considering the topic has completely changed, and the current discussion is a rehash of ~5 similar discussions in the last half year, you might as well close this and start a new thread.

      Ninjachris wrote: @Thekillman what were you saying about the seal again?? So yea fact check would be in order.

      In the same pages you can see Naruto having multiple white dots: on his collar and his belly. The same white dot isn't even present in the movie (about an hour in, in case you want to know), so it's just a cosmetic thing. The two cloaks don't even look alike, and it's been repeatedly shown that the various decorations on his chakra cloak have 0 relation to his power. The location of black dots, white dots, magatama, stripes. It's meaningless. Not even the seal on his belly has any relation to what mode he's in.

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