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  • Is it even possible? I understand that ALL life on the entire planet is connected to the Shinju after the Infinite Tsukuyomi is cast (we see cats and a dog being put under the genjutsu and Akamaru being cocooned by the Shinju's roots) but can animals become White Zetsu? Like whales, elephants, fish, bears, insects, squirrels...you get the point. It also seems a bit excessive for Kaguya to create White Zetsu from animals if she were trying to create an army to fight against Momoshiki and Kinshiki.

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    • While i can't think of a legitimate reason why it would be impossible, thematically it doesn't really seem to fit.

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    • Most likely just humans do, while other creatures stay cocooned and live.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Most likely just humans do, while other creatures stay cocooned and live.

      I'd imagine that anything weaker than a human would basically be compost eventually.

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    • Unless the animals have chakra, they seem to be exempt from becoming White Zetsus.

      But there is another thing that bothers me. What about pregnant women? What happens to the babies when their mothers become White Zetsus?

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    • It's not a matter or chakra. The humans who were turned into Zetsu by Kaguya also didn't posses chakra, since humans only obtained chakra after Hagormo spread it during his journey.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: It's not a matter or chakra. The humans who were turned into Zetsu by Kaguya also didn't posses chakra, since humans only obtained chakra after Hagormo spread it during his journey.

      This is the part where the series sucked, but:

      Technically everyone has all the ingredients for chakra, and has had it all along. Hagoromo just gave people some form of spiritual enlightenment that allowed them to bind their mental and physical energy into actual chakra. Humans, animals etc all have chakra, they just can't necessarily mold it.

      NoMoreVillains wrote: But there is another thing that bothers me. What about pregnant women? What happens to the babies when their mothers become White Zetsus?

      Quite frankly, i think they die. We've seen the Shinju be fairly aggressive with reclaiming chakra, i don't think children (or small animals) would be strong enough to resist IT's effects and be turned Zetsu. I think they'd just eventually die and become plant food.

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    • You can't fabricate a better reality for an infant who hasn't experienced reality in the first place.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: You can't fabricate a better reality for an infant who hasn't experienced reality in the first place.

      it's a good point for the IT part, but the God: Nativity of a world of trees part would still suck out their chakra and personality.

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    • No, humans nor other creatures had chakra before Hagoromo spread it. Kaguya was the very first person on planet Earth, well, the Narutoverse equivalent, to have obtained chakra. By the time Kaguya used Infinite Tsukuyomi, Hagoromo most likely already had spread chakra.

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    • How widespread was Kaguya's IT in the first place?

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    • Well, at least according to the anime, i guess the first IT was only local so to speak? I mean it probably happened only to the people from that particular land, but that's mostly based on the anime.

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    • Well, it must've been local anyway, especially since Hagoromo mentioned that Kaguya used her Byakugan to extend its range, which means that Kaguya couldn't affect the whole world without reflecting the genjutsu from the Moon, something that was yet to be created.

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    • Vladosaurus wrote: Well, at least according to the anime, i guess the first IT was only local so to speak? I mean it probably happened only to the people from that particular land, but that's mostly based on the anime.

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: Well, it must've been local anyway, especially since Hagoromo mentioned that Kaguya used her Byakugan to extend its range, which means that Kaguya couldn't affect the whole world without reflecting the genjutsu from the Moon, something that was yet to be created.

      That does explain the few White Zetsus that were around before the war

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    • So, pretty much Kaguya's army must've been kind of low on man power. I guess couple thousands White Zetsu at best? That's not very much power, considering that White Zetsu were pretty wack. Could it be more than that?

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    • Well, there's also a possibility of Kaguya being able to use the White Zetsu in more powerful fashion than Madara/Obito did. Even the 10,000 army of Obito was pretty weak in terms of battle power, their main purpose was their transformation ability which made them perfect for infiltration and assignation.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Well, there's also a possibility of Kaguya being able to use the White Zetsu in more powerful fashion than Madara/Obito did.

      I don't think so. Spiral Zetsu uses an external source for strength (Gedo statue and Yamato). Without an external source, he would be just as weak as any other White Zetsu. Heck, Black Zetsu (Kaguya's freaking will incarnate) wasn't that strong

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    • I always assumed that Kaguya would've used the Zetsus in a direct battle. Meaning that Momoshiki and Kinshiki would literally battle her and the army at once. I doubt that Kaguya would've used them for infiltration purpose, mainly because she was the one expecting an invasion, not the other way around. Even if the Zetsus would've been stronger than Obito's, against somebody like Kinshiki they would've been fodder, even thousands of them.

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    • She probably had a way to buff them, infuse them with her chakra, to make them transform into weaker clones of her, or have them connected to the Shinju, or both.

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    • Given the fact that White Zetsus can absorb people's chakra, that might be a two-fold strategy. The White Zetsus would absorb chakra and then give it to Kaguya, willingly or not.

      Thekillman wrote:

      Vladosaurus wrote: It's not a matter or chakra. The humans who were turned into Zetsu by Kaguya also didn't posses chakra, since humans only obtained chakra after Hagormo spread it during his journey.

      This is the part where the series sucked, but:

      Technically everyone has all the ingredients for chakra, and has had it all along. Hagoromo just gave people some form of spiritual enlightenment that allowed them to bind their mental and physical energy into actual chakra. Humans, animals etc all have chakra, they just can't necessarily mold it.

      NoMoreVillains wrote: But there is another thing that bothers me. What about pregnant women? What happens to the babies when their mothers become White Zetsus?

      Quite frankly, i think they die. We've seen the Shinju be fairly aggressive with reclaiming chakra, i don't think children (or small animals) would be strong enough to resist IT's effects and be turned Zetsu. I think they'd just eventually die and become plant food.

      I would have thought that the infants still in the bellies of pregnant women would just become chakra and disappear forever.

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    • Elveonora wrote: She probably had a way to buff them, infuse them with her chakra, to make them transform into weaker clones of her, or have them connected to the Shinju, or both.

      Considering the fact that Madara infused the White Zetsus with Hashirama's DNA, it would make sense that she would do the same with the next batch created from Naruto's friends, allies, acquaintances and loved ones.

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