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  • Katasuke and the other Hidden Leaf scientists were able to take some of Naruto's DNA when they were growing him a new arm with Hashirama's cells.

    Sometime in the future they were able to take Sasuke's DNA.

    They did this to create the most powerful human ever as Naruto & Sasuke are currently the most powerful chakra-users known so far and most accessible to the scientists.

    Therefore Kawaki is a synthetic human

    They may have also been jealous of Orochimaru's synthetic human, Mitsuki, so they wanted to prove that they were better

    They unknown 3rd Otsutsuki granted Kawaki his power resulting in him getting the marks/sigils on his arm just like Momoshiki granted Boruto his marks/sigils

    Boruto most likely met him after the Chunnin Exams and became friends with him

    Unfortunately Kawaki gained a mind of his own and as a result of how he percieved the shinobi life, he wanted to end the era of shinobi as he didn't like it

    He is highly likely to be a new character and not Iwabe or any other people that other theories suggest

    He may also have his Senju hairstyle as a result of them maybe adding Hashirama's cells in to the mix, possibly allowing Kawaki to use Wood Release

    P.S Tsunade's younger brother was called Nawaki Senju

    Therefore we can expect Kawaki to be a worthy opponent for Boruto and it will be a battle as Naruto vs Pain or Naruto & Sasuke vs Kaguya if not better

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    • there are a few holes in there. they didn't actually need Naruto's or sasuke's dnas to make the arms, and secondly, no one knows that the otsutsuki exist, or that they are even a thing, so how would kawaki just meet up with them?

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    • I didn't say that the arms were from Naruto & Sasuke's DNA, I said that it was most likely from the 3rd unknown Otsutsuki. We definitely know they exist, did you even watch the anime or read the manga, they changed the entire course of the shinobi world as they created it. He could have possibly met the 3rd Otsutsuki like Zetsu met and tempted Indra or Boruto could have transported them using his Jougan to the Otsutuki world/realm. We can only speculate

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    • He doesent exist.

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    • Kjubi wrote: He doesent exist.

      He does, his name is Urashirmataru and he was going to be in the Boruto movie but there wasn't enough time. If you look him up, he is seen on the left of Momoshiki in the Kaguya filler episode

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    • Urashirmataru

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    • If he does than what Japanese story is he based on(considering Kishimoto heavy reliance on Folk Stories)

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    • On the story of imakupjapnesnems w/otjpnsknwldg-sama.

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    • Seelentau wrote: On the story of imakupjapnesnems w/otjpnsknwldg-sama.

      Are you kidding me?
      Edit: I thought third guy was someone we were familiar with like Jashin, and I didn't get any story on this Urashirmataru guy which is quite a change from the usual pattern that Kishimoto has. Come to think of it Is it really a Japanese name?
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    • No, it's not, that's why I said it's based on the story of "I-make-up-Japanese-names Without-Japanese-Knowledge-sama" (Of course the "I" being the OP). :D

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    • Nice one , I was actually convinced that something like that actually existed.:)
      So does this mean the name isn't Japanese?

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    • Nope, the only one-letter-sign there is, aside of aeiou, is n. So no "r", as in "Urashirmataru".

      However, I think what OP wanted to say was "Urashima Taro", one of the many folklore characters in Japan. Going by the Naruto naming style, his name would be "Urashimashiki", then.

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    • That does makes sense. So the guy (Urashimahiki)might actually exist. And going by his story his power might involve Manipulation of time something Which Naruto(or maybe even Sasuke) might not be able to overcome this Kawaki guy(if he's powered by third Okutsuki).

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    • I actually wouldn't be surprised if he was a synthetic human made by Naruto's and Sasuke's DNA. The main motif of the Naruto Gaiden and Next Generations seems to be parents and their children. We have the obvious Naruto/Boruto, Sasuke/Sarada, etc. dynamic then we have Shin and his clones, Sumire/her Dad and then Sumire/Nue, Momoshiki/Kinshiki in the manga and novelization and we have Daimyo/Tento in the current manga arc. Plus, if that was the case, then we would have a chance to see Team 7 fight an enemy that every single one of them can relate to in some weird way - he would be Boruto's and Sarada's half-brother while Mitsuki would be able to relate to him as he is synthetic himself.

      And this would also indirectly satisfy all those fans that wanted Naruto and Sasuke to go gay for each other which is something I never understood.

      The rest of OP's speculation, though - I doubt it. I mean, Katasuke seems to be a good guy. He was just being controlled during the events of the Momoshiki arc. And creating a genetically enhanced human by tissue harvested by the currently two strongest human beings in the series OUT OF SPITE seems quite weak of a reason.

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    • look, if he was a clone of the two strongest beings in current existence, boruto wouldn't even came close to beating him. no amount of training, or getting chakra from sasuke, or his dad, would save his ass from something like that.

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    • Lorenzo.r.2nd wrote: look, if he was a clone of the two strongest beings in current existence, boruto wouldn't even came close to beating him. no amount of training, or getting chakra from sasuke, or his dad, would save his ass from something like that.

      I kind of feel the same. I truly dislike the fact that so many people try to overpower Boruto to an impossible extent. I mean we can all agree that Sasuke and Naruto being reincarnates of Indra and Ashura, plays big role in their powers. Boruto who isn't neither an Ashura, nor Indra reincarnate, shouldn't come close to fighting someone of this caliber..

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    • ^I understand that. I think Naruto has set a high power ceiling and that every battle in Boruto should remain within the confinements of that ceiling. That said, Kawaki being a clone of Naruto and Sasuke does not mean he should inherit their transmigrant chakra. It could be just an effort to mix Uzumaki and Uchiha genes, two clans hailed for producing awesome shinobi. Also, both clans are extinct so that's all the more reason for someone to do something like that.

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    • We haven't seen Borutos full capabilities so we cant assume that he'll get beat by Kawaki i dont think it will be a landslide win, they will most likely continue the story into a part 2 or do a time skip although it would be better to consider a part 2 to show us how he gains more power, i would also like to bring up that Kawaki destroyed the leaf possibly i dont know if it is confirmed but if it is that would insist that Naruto has been beat somehow which is pretty weird considering he was basically a god after part 2 and maybe Sasuke doesnt know this yet or had been injured during a battle with Kawaki or he has been beat too this is pretty sad ending for the leaf if Kawaki defeats Boruto but I would love to see the Boruto training if the anime gets that far.

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    • dude, both pain and orochimaru also fucked up the leaf. kawaki is no different.

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    • Thanks for all the replies guys, I didn't expect that much. I probably got carried away with the Katasuke idea but you never know. :)

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    • the hidden leaf scientists were not involved in the creation of naruto's synthetic arm. Tsunade was the one who created it.

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    • Although the theory of Kawaki being a synthetic human and a fusion of Naruto and Sasuke is cool, I have a different belief. Denki is not in the manga like at all which is weird. As a matter of fact, Denki, Sumire, nor Iwabe were in the movie or manga adaptation of Boruto. Now it could just be that they weren't thought of yet at the time but hear me out, this might be a long shot but it's just my prediction. Denki Kaminarimon is portrayed as the weakest out of all the students in the ninja academy and he only joined in the first place because his dad forced him to. It would be a piece of cake for someone to kidnap him, take him, make him a slave or something idk. He's intelligent too. Who do you know that's super intelligent and ended up starting the fourth great ninja war? Kaubto. (with a lot of help from Obito ofc) So could Denki combined with Iwabe make a Kawaki under the right circumstances? I think yes. For the record no one has seen Iwabe's full hair yet because he wears that scarf on his head.

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    • Several misconceptions you have here: First of all, Denki was not forced to become a shinobi by his father. He himself said that he wanted to join the Academy by his own will.

      Second of all, Obito started the Fourth War. Kabuto supplied him with soldiers.

      But I still don't understand why mix Denki and Iwabe? They were not extraordinary by any means. Iwabe may as well be an above average shinobi and may grow up to be as skilled as the likes of Kakashi, but that's still not reason to harvest his genes. Denki may get his chance to shine in the future, but so far he's been shown to be pretty much useless in a battle situation. Plus, Kawaki as a character was conceptualized before Denki and Iwabe, so him being a mix of the two is quite far-fetched.

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    • Joelnachohero789 wrote: Katasuke and the other Hidden Leaf scientists were able to take some of Naruto's DNA when they were growing him a new arm with Hashirama's cells.

      Sometime in the future they were able to take Sasuke's DNA.

      They did this to create the most powerful human ever as Naruto & Sasuke are currently the most powerful chakra-users known so far and most accessible to the scientists.

      Therefore Kawaki is a synthetic human

      They may have also been jealous of Orochimaru's synthetic human, Mitsuki, so they wanted to prove that they were better

      They unknown 3rd Otsutsuki granted Kawaki his power resulting in him getting the marks/sigils on his arm just like Momoshiki granted Boruto his marks/sigils

      Boruto most likely met him after the Chunnin Exams and became friends with him

      Unfortunately Kawaki gained a mind of his own and as a result of how he percieved the shinobi life, he wanted to end the era of shinobi as he didn't like it

      He is highly likely to be a new character and not Iwabe or any other people that other theories suggest

      He may also have his Senju hairstyle as a result of them maybe adding Hashirama's cells in to the mix, possibly allowing Kawaki to use Wood Release

      P.S Tsunade's younger brother was called Nawaki Senju

      Therefore we can expect Kawaki to be a worthy opponent for Boruto and it will be a battle as Naruto vs Pain or Naruto & Sasuke vs Kaguya if not better

      I agree with most of what you said but in light of new information my thinking is this, he is genetically created from naruto and sasuke using their DNA which we all know in the narutoverse isn't hard to come by Judging by the multitude of edo tensei. He was developed by Kara and he is the vessel they were transporting this is even more likely, going by how heavily influenced the new generation is by science and technology. I believe they know a lot about the history and origin of outsutsuki including kayuga and her two sons and about transmigration. So they knew by combining naruto's and sasuke's DNA they would essentially recreate hagoromo (whilst also bestowing on him other upgrades curse mark etc.) and making him a child/adolescent would allow them to manipulate and control him thereby making them owners of potentially the most powerful weapon in the current time. This would also explain why in theory kawaki would be able to match naruto in power.

      Now boruto I think boruto can be somewhat of a pseudo hagoromo in the sense that having naruto's DNA and some of his ninjutsu techs and then being trained by sasuke and having ninjutsu from him not to mention also being a descendant from hamura (substituting hamura for Indra) and having his unique jutsu also being trained by his mother could possibly explain why he would be most suited to challenge kawaki, it isn't necessarily his power levels but his skill set, just my two cents.

      It would also explain kawaki's hair do lol.

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    • Ninjachris wrote:

      Joelnachohero789 wrote: Katasuke and the other Hidden Leaf scientists were able to take some of Naruto's DNA when they were growing him a new arm with Hashirama's cells.

      Sometime in the future they were able to take Sasuke's DNA.

      They did this to create the most powerful human ever as Naruto & Sasuke are currently the most powerful chakra-users known so far and most accessible to the scientists.

      Therefore Kawaki is a synthetic human

      They may have also been jealous of Orochimaru's synthetic human, Mitsuki, so they wanted to prove that they were better

      They unknown 3rd Otsutsuki granted Kawaki his power resulting in him getting the marks/sigils on his arm just like Momoshiki granted Boruto his marks/sigils

      Boruto most likely met him after the Chunnin Exams and became friends with him

      Unfortunately Kawaki gained a mind of his own and as a result of how he percieved the shinobi life, he wanted to end the era of shinobi as he didn't like it

      He is highly likely to be a new character and not Iwabe or any other people that other theories suggest

      He may also have his Senju hairstyle as a result of them maybe adding Hashirama's cells in to the mix, possibly allowing Kawaki to use Wood Release

      P.S Tsunade's younger brother was called Nawaki Senju

      Therefore we can expect Kawaki to be a worthy opponent for Boruto and it will be a battle as Naruto vs Pain or Naruto & Sasuke vs Kaguya if not better

      I agree with most of what you said but in light of new information my thinking is this, he is genetically created from naruto and sasuke using their DNA which we all know in the narutoverse isn't hard to come by Judging by the multitude of edo tensei. He was developed by Kara and he is the vessel they were transporting this is even more likely, going by how heavily influenced the new generation is by science and technology. I believe they know a lot about the history and origin of outsutsuki including kayuga and her two sons and about transmigration. So they knew by combining naruto's and sasuke's DNA they would essentially recreate hagoromo (whilst also bestowing on him other upgrades curse mark etc.) and making him a child/adolescent would allow them to manipulate and control him thereby making them owners of potentially the most powerful weapon in the current time. This would also explain why in theory kawaki would be able to match naruto in power.

      Now boruto I think boruto can be somewhat of a pseudo hagoromo in the sense that having naruto's DNA and some of his ninjutsu techs and then being trained by sasuke and having ninjutsu from him not to mention also being a descendant from hamura (substituting hamura for Indra) and having his unique jutsu also being trained by his mother could possibly explain why he would be most suited to challenge kawaki, it isn't necessarily his power levels but his skill set, just my two cents.

      It would also explain kawaki's hair do lol.

      I almost forgot about this thread lol, now that we know about Kara and a "Vessel", I believe Kawaki being the vessel would be correct. I personally don't think Kara (like the Akatsuki) will be a bad organisation at its core. I think it just has bad-willed members. This can be evident by the fact that Ao is in it. Their intentions may be for good

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    • Joelnachohero789 wrote: I almost forgot about this thread lol, now that we know about Kara and a "Vessel", I believe Kawaki being the vessel would be correct. I personally don't think Kara (like the Akatsuki) will be a bad organisation at its core. I think it just has bad-willed members. This can be evident by the fact that Ao is in it. Their intentions may be for good

      Can you not quote huge chunks of text?

      We don't know why Ao is in it, or if he's even aware of the larger goals of the organization. Obito and Nagato successfully kept Akatsuki's members in the dark about it's purpose for years.

      We also have no idea of Kara's intent, goals, scope or involvement. For all we know they're good guys.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Can you not quote huge chunks of text?

      We don't know why Ao is in it, or if he's even aware of the larger goals of the organization. Obito and Nagato successfully kept Akatsuki's members in the dark about it's purpose for years.

      We also have no idea of Kara's intent, goals, scope or involvement. For all we know they're good guys.

      Good guys? I thought they were akatsuki 2.0. They believe they are doing good for the world but actually are the villains.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Good guys? I thought they were akatsuki 2.0.

      It's perfectly possible to have good intentions yet be the antagonists.

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    • Well than Boruto's story will be parallel to Naruto's than...

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: Well than Boruto's story will be parallel to Naruto's than...

      Like i said, we don't know. For all we know, Kara are pure evil hellbent on the annihilation of the world. We know nothing of their actual motives, their grand strategy etc. The current arc is about a Vessel, but it's not even clear what it's supposed to hold.

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    • Them going after the "Vessel" in the Leaf is very similar to a certain group who went after a certain jinchuricki in the Leaf.

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    • Joelnachohero789 wrote: Them going after the "Vessel" in the Leaf is very similar to a certain group who went after a certain jinchuricki in the Leaf.

      Except they ordered that vessel themselves, the vessel is someone we don't know and have no known relation to, and Kara is completely unknown (Akatsuki was known to be a criminal organization for years, they just didn't do anything noteworthy until Gaara)

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Joelnachohero789 wrote: Them going after the "Vessel" in the Leaf is very similar to a certain group who went after a certain jinchuricki in the Leaf.

      Except they ordered that vessel themselves, the vessel is someone we don't know and have no known relation to, and Kara is completely unknown (Akatsuki was known to be a criminal organization for years, they just didn't do anything noteworthy until Gaara)

      I mean they captured 2 Jinchuriki before him, so

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    • RexGodwin wrote: I mean they captured 2 Jinchuriki before him, so

      Not sure about that. But my point is, when Itachi and Kisame enter Konoha, we learn that Jiraiya knew of Akatsuki for possibly years but they had made no real moves. It pretty much wasn't until part2 that they publicly began to move.

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    • I don't think they will be as public as the Akatsuki but more private. So unlike the Akatsuki, I don't think they're going to be hired by any village any time soon. But they will definitely have a role intertwined with Kawaki.

      Also I almost forgot, it was revealed recently that Ao is the one who controlled Katasuke, maybe how some of you guys are talking about how Kara may have made Kawaki is almost identical to my previous theory that Katasuke is involved in Kawaki's creation.

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    • Joelnachohero789 wrote: that Katasuke is involved in Kawaki's creation.

      I don't think he is directly involved, but it seems like a no-brainer that they abused Katasuke's knowledge for various ends, not just the Ninja tech. We already saw one Inner use his Kote device, we saw in the Movie that Katasuke was involved in Ninjutsu development and we saw in the recent chapter that he was involved in puppet jutsu and all the possible implications that has (Chakra shields anyone?). The Kote itself is essentially a combination of sealing jutsu and puppet mechanisms. The possibilities here are truly endless.

      Though i don't think the Vessel IS kawaki. After all, it's a vessel, but a vessel for what, for who? Kawaki could be someone who hijacked the vessel or the final form of this vessel, but right now i don't think he is "kawaki".

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      RexGodwin wrote: I mean they captured 2 Jinchuriki before him, so

      Not sure about that. But my point is, when Itachi and Kisame enter Konoha, we learn that Jiraiya knew of Akatsuki for possibly years but they had made no real moves. It pretty much wasn't until part2 that they publicly began to move.

      I am. Deidara mentioned no one cared when they took other jinchuriki when talking to Naruto about Gaara and they were taken offscreen, plus the Gedo Mazos eyes are consistent in the manga there were 2 eyes open right before Gaara died, then 3 after they got Shukaku.

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    • RexGodwin wrote: I am. Deidara mentioned no one cared when they took other jinchuriki when talking to Naruto about Gaara and they were taken offscreen, plus the Gedo Mazos eyes are consistent in the manga there were 2 eyes open right before Gaara died, then 3 after they got Shukaku.

      Fuu was caught before Gaara if I remember correctly. Possibly 5th tails was first. Others were captured in the series including the non canon capture of 3 tails and 6 tails(utakata)

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    • It doesn't really matter. We know that before the Time Skip, Akatsuki had made no moves and wasn't considered a threat. Jiraiya was keeping an eye on them because they were a bunch of S-rank criminals, but other than that there was nothing special about them.

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    • I've heard that Iwabe could be Kawaki, but I feel like Iwabe is too much of a good guy to destroy the shinobi world and kill Naruto and Sasuke. Maybe he's just someone random, but he does look like someone who wants to get revenge.

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    • Thekillman wrote: It doesn't really matter. We know that before the Time Skip, Akatsuki had made no moves and wasn't considered a threat. Jiraiya was keeping an eye on them because they were a bunch of S-rank criminals, but other than that there was nothing special about them.

      If capturing 2 Jinchuriki=make no moves then. Lmfao.

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    • RexGodwin wrote: If capturing 2 Jinchuriki=make no moves then. Lmfao.

      They evidently captured those during the time skip.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      RexGodwin wrote: If capturing 2 Jinchuriki=make no moves then. Lmfao.

      They evidently captured those during the time skip.

      prior to gaara.

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    • RexGodwin wrote: prior to gaara.

      Yea. Like i said, When Jiraiya told Kakashi about Akatsuki, nobody cared and they weren't considered a threat. They briefly went after Naruto but this was fairly easily thwarted by Jiraiya, and after that nothing was heard until they captured Gaara and Akatsuki entered the picture for real. Prior to that, all people cared about was that itachi was in it, and that's it.

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