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  • I know that Masashi Kishimoto was not concerned about maths when he made the tailed beasts but this is still pretty intersting. I think some tailed beasts are stronger then others like the weakest is The 1 tails and the strongest is the 9 tails(excluding 10 tails). It also makes sense how the Akatsuki captured 7 tailed beasts and failed to capture the 8 and 9 tails. 1 tails: 1×1=1, 2 tails: 1×2=2, 3 tails: 1×3=3, 4 tails: 1×4=4, 5 tails: 1×5=5, 6 tails: 1×6=6, 7 tails: 1×7=7, 8 tails: 1×8=8, 9 tails: 1×9=9. Lets say:

                                 1=1000 KJ of chakra.
                                 1KJ=0,239006Kcal
    

    When Naruto and Killer Bee were fighting the reanimated jinchuriki, It was 1+2+3+4+5+6+7=28KJ Chakra vs 8+4.5(Naruto has half 9 tails sealed inside of him)=12.5KJ Chakra .When tailed beasts 1-7 did their tailed beast bomb it was suppose to blow Naruto and Bee away or even kill them.

    What the hell is wrong with me😞

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    • Kgsanime wrote: What the hell is wrong with me😞

      I'd like to know too.

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    • but u don't know for sure who the weakest bijuu is, nor do u know how much power they have, and how they compare to each other.

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    • The assumption of a linear progression is wrong, since it's clear that Kurama isn't 9x stronger than Shukaku. (or that he is 4.5x stronger than the two-tails, etc).

      Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: but u don't know for sure who the weakest bijuu is, nor do u know how much power they have, and how they compare to each other.

      Plus, it assumes that Obito's biju were at full power when they might not have been. It's mentioned their chakra was used to grow 10 000 Zetsu, and they were still bound to the statue. Also, Obito was controlling them, meaning that they may not have fought to the best of their abilities. Notice that in biju form, almost none of them use their special powers (like lava, or steam) to their fullest. In stead they mostly try to match Kurama and Hachibi in their specialty (raw power), which is kind of stupid.

      Furthermore, there is an interesting trend: the more tails, the more raw power but the fewer special abilities. Kurama's only power is that he can sense negative emotions. Contrast Shukaku who is made of sand, can manipulate it into jutsu, can use his curse seals to seal away things and can manipulate magnetism to seal people or defend/attack. Plus he canonically used wind attacks.

      So while the higher-numbered tails may possess more raw power, they possess fewer special abilities. So the whole " higher tails = stronger" thing may not be quite true.

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    • Thekillman wrote: The assumption of a linear progression is wrong, since it's clear that Kurama isn't 9x stronger than Shukaku. (or that he is 4.5x stronger than the two-tails, etc).

      Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: but u don't know for sure who the weakest bijuu is, nor do u know how much power they have, and how they compare to each other.

      Plus, it assumes that Obito's biju were at full power when they might not have been. It's mentioned their chakra was used to grow 10 000 Zetsu, and they were still bound to the statue. Also, Obito was controlling them, meaning that they may not have fought to the best of their abilities. Notice that in biju form, almost none of them use their special powers (like lava, or steam) to their fullest. In stead they mostly try to match Kurama and Hachibi in their specialty (raw power), which is kind of stupid.

      Furthermore, there is an interesting trend: the more tails, the more raw power but the fewer special abilities. Kurama's only power is that he can sense negative emotions. Contrast Shukaku who is made of sand, can manipulate it into jutsu, can use his curse seals to seal away things and can manipulate magnetism to seal people or defend/attack. Plus he canonically used wind attacks.

      So while the higher-numbered tails may possess more raw power, they possess fewer special abilities. So the whole " higher tails = stronger" thing may not be quite true.

      Then why was it so easy for the Akatsuki to capture 1-7 tails and they struggled to capture 8 and 9 tails, so therefore Kurama is stronger then 1 tails.

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    • Well, it's not like the difficulty level of capturing was connected to the power of the beasts themselves, there was a lot of other factors that played an important role, for example, the relationship between Jinchuriki and his village (Naruto and Bee have been famed shinobi who have been treated as a comrades by the villagers and this couldn't be sold out so easily, unlike other Jinchuriki mentioned by Deidara who were ostracised by the villagers and thus weren't specially protected) or the amount of control the particular Jinchuriki had over their Biju (Bee and eventually Naruto became the perfect Jinchuriki, while the others were limited in their control; Gaara, for example, didn't use any Shukaku's power at all during the battle against Deidara).

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    • Kgsanime wrote: Then why was it so easy for the Akatsuki to capture 1-7 tails and they struggled to capture 8 and 9 tails, so therefore Kurama is stronger then 1 tails.

      Just because them being captured was not shown in the manga does not mean it was easy. While I do agree that Kurama is stronger than Shukaku, I don't think the number of tails has anything to do with it. Also, Akatsuki didn't fight the beasts themselves (asides from Isobu). They fought their jinchuuriki. Furthermore, Team Taka overwhelmed Killer Bee and would have extracted Gyuki if it wasn't for him using substitution. And Itachi had the chance to extract Kurama several times but didn't do it because he was secretly a double agent.

      A mixture of plot and circumstance is what really prevented Gyuki and Kurama from easily being captured. It had nothing to do with their strength.

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    • Kgsanime wrote: Then why was it so easy for the Akatsuki to capture 1-7 tails and they struggled to capture 8 and 9 tails, so therefore Kurama is stronger then 1 tails.

      Jiraiya thwarted their earlier attempts, else Kurama would've been captured before the 4-tails.

      Ravenlot 27 wrote: unlike other Jinchuriki mentioned by Deidara who were ostracized by the villagers and thus weren't specially protected

      Yea, according to Kakuzu i think, some villagers were even happy their Jinchuriki were gone.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Jiraiya thwarted their earlier attempts, else Kurama would've been captured before the 4-tails.

      You seem to be using that as a counter-example of sorts, which doesn't really work. There was a significant difference between Naruto and the other jinchuriki: Naruto had 0 control over Kurama's chakra at that point. As a jinchuriki, whose purpose is to contain and channel the power of their bijuu, he was a bit of a failure... as he was in more than a couple areas, but hey. If the village had invested in him as a weapon - you know, made sure their weapon was actually strong - then... well, let's just say his fight against Neji would've been a lot quicker. Even if they'd just forced him to learn how to use Kurama's power instead of making him strong in his own right, he'd have been a force to be reckoned with. Any of the other jinchuriki would've wrecked Naruto's shit in a legit, 1v1 battle if Jiraiya hadn't stepped in and taught him summoning(and forced him to "learn" how to get some of Kurama's power). And even that wouldn't be enough.

      Be honest, Gamabunta wouldn't be able to beat a bijuu. Gaara's transformation simply had a glaring weak spot.

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    • I posted a Naruto threat here that was Naruto related and some random bozo removed it.

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    • Kgsanime wrote: I posted a Naruto threat here that was Naruto related and some random bozo removed it.

      You mean that one where you pointed out similarities between Sasuke and Noctis from Final Fantasy? Yeah, no. Similar designs in anime-inspired works are really common. I could find you any RPG character and compare it to another character from an anime fandom. Does not mean anything.

      Also, if that threat was removed, it was probably a mod who did it. It's pretty ill-advised to call mods 'random bozos'. Just saying.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: Team Taka overwhelmed Killer Bee and would have extracted Gyuki if it wasn't for him using substitution.

      A mixture of plot and circumstance is what really prevented Gyuki and Kurama from easily being captured. It had nothing to do with their strength.

      Team Taka did no such thing. You must have watched a totally different battle because Team Taka was getting their butts handed to them. I also don't necessarily call using a substitution (a basic ninja concept) plot.

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    • 321Z3R0 wrote: You seem to be using that as a counter-example of sorts, which doesn't really work. There was a significant difference between Naruto and the other jinchuriki

      Yes, which is why it is a counterpoint. Using the argument that the other biju were captured first because they were weaker is clearly not a good argument, which was my point.

      Like i said, the biju with more tails have more chakra, while the biju with fewer tails have more powers. So their net strength ought to be comparable. It's questionable whether Obito's pets were full-strength, as we know they were not fully manifested (they were still sealed in the Gedo) and we know their chakra was used to grow the army days prior.

      As others have pointed out as well, how easy biju are to capture depends heavily on their jinchuriki. Kurama would've easily been captured well before fewer-tailed beasts, were it not for circumstance. Team Taka nearly took out Bee while it took the Tail-less Tailed Beast to take out the Four Tails, two immortals to take out the two-tails yet one kid with bombs to take out the Kazekage. So even Akatsuki did not adhere to internal power rankings when taking down the beasts.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Team Taka did no such thing. You must have watched a totally different battle because Team Taka was getting their butts handed to them. I also don't necessarily call using a substitution (a basic ninja concept) plot.

      They were getting jerked around, until this happened: [1]

      And yes, substitution was a basic ninja concept, but not the type of substitution that Killer Bee used. It was very convenient that Jinchuuriki who had a good relationship with their beasts could hide in their tail or whatever, even though we never saw any of the other Jinchuuriki do that. Furthermore, Karin, a sensor which was so intimate with chakra that she could tell a person's mood just by sensing it, couldn't tell that was not Bee. And don't give me that crap about her being immobilized - a few chapters later, she sensed Naruto's and Kurama's chakra in her nearly unconscious state.

      If you want more examples of that, Bee was also overwhelmed Kisame and would have been captured if it wasn't for the Raikage's timely intervention.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote:

      Kgsanime wrote: I posted a Naruto threat here that was Naruto related and some random bozo removed it.

      You mean that one where you pointed out similarities between Sasuke and Noctis from Final Fantasy? Yeah, no. Similar designs in anime-inspired works are really common. I could find you any RPG character and compare it to another character from an anime fandom. Does not mean anything.

      Also, if that threat was removed, it was probably a mod who did it. It's pretty ill-advised to call mods 'random bozos'. Just saying.

      I called them random bozos beause they think that they are doing something important in life but the reality is that they are just the same as everyone else.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: And yes, substitution was a basic ninja concept, but not the type of substitution that Killer Bee used. It was very convenient that Jinchuuriki who had a good relationship with their beasts could hide in their tail or whatever, even though we never saw any of the other Jinchuuriki do that. Furthermore, Karin, a sensor which was so intimate with chakra that she could tell a person's mood just by sensing it, couldn't tell that was not Bee. And don't give me that crap about her being immobilized - a few chapters later, she sensed Naruto's and Kurama's chakra in her nearly unconscious state.

      If you want more examples of that, Bee was also overwhelmed Kisame and would have been captured if it wasn't for the Raikage's timely intervention.

      So your basically saying that up until Amaterasu, Killer B got overwhelmed. I can give you that, but it was all Sasuke, not Team Taka. Also, every jinchuriki is different when it comes to their tailed beast. So just because other jinchuriki haven't done the same thing as one, that makes it plot. Hello not every jinchuriki is the same when it comes their tailed beasts, not to mention most were hardly seen a fight and they as far as we know, had no reason to make a substitution the Killer B did. I agree that Karin should have sensed the fake Killer B though, but that's all I can give you.

      Also, Killer B was giving it to Kisame who was just barely keeping up. Killer B could not even go Tailed Beast Mode, because had he done it, Kisame would be dead. So yes due the inconvenience of the location and Sabu and Ponta, Killer B was basically defeated, not overwhelmed. I think you need to choose your words more wisely as using the "overwhelmed" makes it seem like the person got their ass handed to their opponent.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: It was very convenient that Jinchuuriki who had a good relationship with their beasts could hide in their tail or whatever, even though we never saw any of the other Jinchuuriki do that.

      None of the other jinchuriki had the same relationship with their biju

      Mr. Grave wrote: Furthermore, Karin, a sensor which was so intimate with chakra that she could tell a person's mood just by sensing it, couldn't tell that was not Bee.

      For all intents and purposes, it was bee. Same chakra. Besides, the clone was unconscious so it's not like it had a mood to sense.

      Kgsanime wrote: I called them random bozos beause they think that they are doing something important in life but the reality is that they are just the same as everyone else.

      They fulfill an important function. And yes, they're just humans, haven't heard anyone employing superhumans yet.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: So your basically saying that up until Amaterasu, Killer B got overwhelmed. I can give you that, but it was all Sasuke, not Team Taka. Also, every jinchuriki is different when it comes to their tailed beast. So just because other jinchuriki haven't done the same thing as one, that makes it plot. Hello not every jinchuriki is the same when it comes their tailed beasts, not to mention most were hardly seen a fight and they as far as we know, had no reason to make a substitution the Killer B did. I agree that Karin should have sensed the fake Killer B though, but that's all I can give you.

      Also, Killer B was giving it to Kisame who was just barely keeping up. Killer B could not even go Tailed Beast Mode, because had he done it, Kisame would be dead. So yes due the inconvenience of the location and Sabu and Ponta, Killer B was basically defeated, not overwhelmed. I think you need to choose your words more wisely as using the "overwhelmed" makes it seem like the person got their ass handed to their opponent.

      Yeah, English's not my first language so I may use words incorrectly sometimes. And I guess I didn't account for the fact that Gyuki's tail can regenerate and that gives Bee the luxury of performing that substitution trick that other jinchuuriki cannot do. It's just that at this point in the anime, substitutions were mainly used for momentary distractions and it feels cheap that Sasuke or any of the Team Taka couldn't detect it.

      Also, I think we can give credit to Suigetsu, Juugo and Karin in that fight since they were a big help. I think Bee would have made short work of Sasuke if they weren't around.

      Also watch the fight against Kisame. Bee did not even scratch him up until his version 2 transformation, and even then Kisame regenerated pretty easily. Even Bee's last ditch effort with the pencil couldn't harm Kisame, who at this point wasn't even Kisame but a Zetsu clone.

      Thekillman wrote: For all intents and purpose, it was bee. Same chakra. Besides, the clone was unconscious so it's not like it had a mood to sense.

      Again, unlikely. A few chapters later, Karin would be tasked with finding Danzo in a room full of bitter bureaucrats and she would do it almost immediately. She could also tell when Danzo alternated between activating and deactivating Izanagi so it's not just a mood thing. And furthermore, she can also tell the species and chakra reserves of a person - with all those extraordinary feats, there was no conceivable way she should have missed that little tidbit, but I guess plot.

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    • @Mr. Grave

      Sure Team Taka helped Sasuke out, that's without a doubt, but the fact remains that Killer B maintained the upperhand for most of the fight, up until Sasuke used Amaterasu.

      By giving it to Kisame, I meant pressuring him, which he was doing, and the same can be said for Kisame to Killer B. Yes he healed, but from Samehada, and considering that just a tackle from Version 2 left a hole in Kisame's stomach, even when most of the damage was reduced by Samehada, Kisame would most surely die if Killer B went Tailed Beast Mode. I also don't see how Zetsu barely dodging the last lightning-infused pencil has to do with anything, considering it was not even Kisame, but Zetsu as you said.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: Again, unlikely. A few chapters later, Karin would be tasked with finding Danzo in a room full of bitter bureaucrats and she would do it almost immediately.

      Something she consciously had to do. She didn't check if they had the real Bee. Which she didn't do because she just had a near-brush with death.

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    • ^Apparently, she doesn't need to make a conscious effort to detect chakra though I guess she does have to put effort into increasing her range (which is 10 kms max). Again, she could easily separate Naruto's chakra from Kurama's without having to mold her own chakra. She had a near brush with death in that instance too.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote:

      ^Apparently, she doesn't need to make a conscious effort to detect chakra though I guess she does have to put effort into increasing her range (which is 10 kms max).

      In instances where identification was important (you mentioned searching for Danzo) she had to focus. Therefore, in a similar case against bee, she'd have to focus.

      Mr. Grave wrote: Again, she could easily separate Naruto's chakra from Kurama's without having to mold her own chakra. She had a near brush with death in that instance too.

      But the substitution clone did contain Bee's and Gyuki's chakra. I mean he was fighting someone with the Sharingan, so for his clone trick to work it would've needed to be as accurate as possible. So Karin would not have noticed anything off. There was no mood to sense. And she didn't consciously check for any other people around.

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