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Am I the only one who doesn't want Sarada to awaken MS?

  • Even though we have very little information on what the future holds in store for Sarada, a Mangekyo awakening feels inevitable.

    Okay, gotta give props to the creators so far; they're not exactly playing the new Team 7 plot element as straight as I thought, with Naruto's son getting a dojutsu (similar to Sasuke) and Orochimaru's son getting a version of Sage Mode (similar to Naruto). Out of the three, Sarada is the only one who has shown no signs of improvement yet, so of course Ikemoto's gonna use every bloodline convenience to make Sarada equal to her teammates. But I don't think Sarada needs Mangekyo Sharingan to catch up, and I'll make my argument based on two primary reasons:

    1) A Mangekyo awakening causes complications. First of all, to awaken a Mangekyo you need to experience the pain of loss. That means that in order to awaken Mangekyo, someone close to Sarada is gonna have to go. Thing is, so far, everyone close to Sarada is either imperative to the plot or a beloved character that Ikemoto wouldn't have the balls to kill off. The only one I can think of that would cause the least backlash is Chocho, and even her death would stirr up a shitstorm. But, say this issue got resolved somehow - you also have the whole sight loss drawback. And in order to fix it, Sarada's gonna have to attain Eternal Mangekyo, which would imply Sasuke's death. Of course, I'm taking into account the rules that have been laid out so far. They could always use the "oh, but she's an exception because her genes are made of phlebotinum plot armor".

    2) There are other opportunities for improvement. As Zetsu commented, a sharingan is only as good as it's user. Sasuke Uchiha fought Kage level shinobi using only the three tomoe sharingan and his wits (and okay, Orochimaru's curse mark). Sakura had precise chakra control and brute strength. Combine those two, and you get a Sarada who's able to perform badass jutsu while conserving chakra. She will most likely be able to pull off Mitotic Regeneration and summon Katsuyu too.

    I'm not yet sure on how Ikemoto's gonna proceed regarding the power ups - maybe Sarada too will be influenced by an outer source of power like Boruto and get abilities that have nothing to do with her bloodline. If they do play her straight though, then I don't think she needs a Mangekyo to be cool. I mean, Hiruzen had no kekkei genkai and no deus ex machina powerups and he could still kick major ass.

    Just my two cents, though.

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    • she need to lose someone to obtain it, so dont expect that

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    • Although I agree that it'd be boring to see the same MS theme again, but I should note that Sarada getting EMS doesn't equal Sasuke's death, since a) losing your eyes doesn't necessary lead to the person's death, in fact, it has never happened in the series b) Sasuke's original eyes (his current ones are technically Itachi's eyes) can still lay hidden somewhere after Tobi removed them from Sasuke and implanted Itachi's eyes instead following Sasuke's own request, and these original eyes could allow Sarada to get EMS without any sacrifice from Sasuke's side.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: Even though we have very little information on what the future holds in store for Sarada, a Mangekyo awakening feels inevitable.

      I also don't want her to have MS. I mean sure it can be done respectfully and in an interesting way, but MS was supposed to be super-rare and yet now it seems to become the norm. I'd love Sarada to develop her abilities without over-relying on the Sharingan.

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    • Heck i want the mangekyou sharingan back

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    • Tapabrata Uchiha wrote: Heck i want the mangekyou sharingan back

      There's a whole club of Shin (with Mangekyou Sharingan) chilling out in the orphanage

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Although I agree that it'd be boring to see the same MS theme again, but I should note that Sarada getting EMS doesn't equal Sasuke's death, since a) losing your eyes doesn't necessary lead to the person's death, in fact, it has never happened in the series b) Sasuke's original eyes (his current ones are technically Itachi's eyes) can still lay hidden somewhere after Tobi removed them from Sasuke and implanted Itachi's eyes instead following Sasuke's own request, and these original eyes could allow Sarada to get EMS without any sacrifice from Sasuke's side.

      Totally forgot about that - yeah, it could work. Karin or any of Team Taka probably have them stored somewhere in Orochimaru's lair. Another thing I forgot; when I made this post, I was thinking of EMS Sasuke not the Rinnegan Sasuke. For some reason, I totally forgot that Sasuke had gotten a power up from SO6P.

      There's still the issue of awakening it, though. I've been on some forum discussions regarding the manner in which Sarada would be able to get her Mangekyo without any tragic event happening to her, and many theorized that she would do it by evoking a strong, positive emotion like how she did with Sharingan. But I don't know if this is any possible. Whatever scenario might evoke that emotion it oughta be stronger than the death of a loved one.

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    • If Sasuke saved his old eyeballs somehow, she might be able to use those to awaken EMS. Considering how they retconned resealing a bijuu to save a Jinchuuriki, I wouldn't be shocked if this happened. That's not to say it would be good for the manga.

      I would actually prefer she learn the Byakugo and 8-gates techniques. She should be able to do that with her Sharingan. Byakugo fits well with 8-gates by healing its injuries. That would make her formidable enough to far surpass her mother.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: If Sasuke saved his old eyeballs somehow, she might be able to use those to awaken EMS. Considering how they retconned resealing a bijuu to save a Jinchuuriki, I wouldn't be shocked if this happened. That's not to say it would be good for the manga.

      I would actually prefer she learn the Byakugo and 8-gates techniques. She should be able to do that with her Sharingan. Byakugo fits well with 8-gates by healing its injuries. That would make her formidable enough to far surpass her mother.

      Retconned? When?

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    • Firstly, what is EMS stand for? I know MS is Mankeygo Sharigan but the E is for Eternal? Second, I'd be fine with it, I loved it when Kakashi learned it. Sarada with Kamui would make her hella op though

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    • I think a factor could be how long or how the series runs. I mean they're just starting the Academy right now so they're like 8 years old I'm guessing, and most characters with MS got it around 13 to 17 years old approximately. I mean it's an obvious/dumb point but I think it plays a big part on it.

      As for me, I would like her getting MS/EMS although I don't see how any of the current characters close to her could die. It'd be interesting to see how she could get MS/EMS, if she even gets it. I really like the idea of what Sarada's character could be. I actually would love for her to eventually become Hokage or at least be as strong as Boruto, and I guess if that were to happen she would probably have to acquire MS/EMS. Then again, if all that could be possible without her needing MS/EMS, I wouldn't be mad at all.

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    • Ncduru wrote: Firstly, what is EMS stand for? I know MS is Mankeygo Sharigan but the E is for Eternal?

      Yes

      RikishiJohnsonXVX wrote: I think a factor could be how long or how the series runs. I mean they're just starting the Academy right now so they're like 8 years old I'm guessing, and most characters with MS got it around 13 to 17 years old approximately. I mean it's an obvious/dumb point but I think it plays a big part on it.

      True, a good powercurve across the series matters. But my problem with Sarada having MS is simply that it's becoming expected, even though it's supposed to be super-rare. There are many many ways she can be powerful without relying on just her eyes. It would also be really interesting to see her learn about Sasuke's eyes and their origins, and realizing that she doesn't want to sacrifice so much just for some power.

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    • Thekillman wrote: It would also be really interesting to see her learn about Sasuke's eyes and their origins, and realizing that she doesn't want to sacrifice so much just for some power.

      This!

      I mean, the Uchiha clan are supposed to be broken aces by nature (very capable shinobi who are broken on the inside) and the Mangekyo Sharingan is meant to reflect that. If they somehow switch it up and make the Mangekyo a user-friendly dojutsu just so Sarada can access it easier, then honestly it would completely shit on all the interesting lore around the Sharingan that Kishimoto's built up so far.

      I want Sarada to power up in a natural way, without becoming the Nicolas Cage of prophecies as Naruto and Sasuke turned out to be towards the end and like Boruto's about to become.

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    • Thekillman wrote: True, a good powercurve across the series matters. But my problem with Sarada having MS is simply that it's becoming expected, even though it's supposed to be super-rare. There are many many ways she can be powerful without relying on just her eyes. It would also be really interesting to see her learn about Sasuke's eyes and their origins, and realizing that she doesn't want to sacrifice so much just for some power.

      Yeah I understand your point. I was thinking the same thing actually. Maybe it wouldn't even be necessary for her to acquire MS as she could find some other ways of becoming strong if she wanted to avoid Sasuke's past or the Uchiha's "fate". Also, it could be a way to avoid doing the same storyline they've done with every important Uchiha character. Then again, her experiencing a huge loss seems inevitable to me since it's always been a big part of the series in general.

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    • Plot twist: Sarada transplants Boruto's eye and awakens Eternal Mangekyou Byaku Rinnetenseigan. 'joke

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    • ^wouldn't even be surprising tbh. My uncle probably has a hidden clan eye technique

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    • Elveonora wrote: Plot twist: Sarada transplants Boruto's eye and awakens Eternal Mangekyou Byaku Rinnetenseigan. 'joke

      For one thing, some of those combinations have been done on Naruto Fanon.

      For example, Rinnegan + Byakugan = Teiōgan (done by User:Ten Tailed Fox)

      Another example, Sharingan + Tenseigan = Yochigan (done by me, Original name was Senrigan)

      Edit: My two cents on this case. Ok, so I like the idea of Sarada with a Mangekyo Sharingan except I disagree with someone dying to awaken it. (you guys decide if what I'm saying is plot no jutsu) I decided that Sarada should experience some strong emotion, such as a desire to protect the Leaf, and that should awaken her MS. Or she's so emotionally connected to someone that if that someone experiences a loss Sarada herself feels the emotion, awakening her MS. For her abilities, I'd say that she should have Amaterasu and Lunar Scribe: Kaikishoku (fanon technique; Tsukuyomi equivalent of Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi) in her left eye. For her right eye, she should have Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi and Tsukuyomi.

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    • I wouldn't mind Sarada getting MS and maybe EMS one day, however I would like it to wait a long while. I would like to see her develop first with just the Sharingan.

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    • @NejiHyuga2, we're discussing the actual possibilities of Sarada's abilities' developent, so I think it's redundant to bring up some completely fictional abilities like those from Naruto fanon wikia.

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    • NejiHyuga2 wrote: My two cents on this case. Ok, so I like the idea of Sarada with a Mangekyo Sharingan except I disagree with someone dying to awaken it.

      I've thought about it a lot (non-death Mangekyou) but i think it would sacrifice too many things about the Mangekyou.

      The Mangekyou is one of the best ideas of Kishimoto, it's a brilliant piece of design. It's an eye that symbolizes mental health (or rather, lack thereof), fuelled by the owner's own darkness. It's powers are ironic, it's symbolism of "losing a lot but gaining something in return"( (Madara to Sasuke) really strong. If happiness could awaken it, it would cheapen all of this. And i simply don't think the happiness part in any way compensates for the extremely strong dark part.

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    • I've always wondered; what happens if the user is tricked into believing that someone close to them is dead? Would they awaken Mangekyo? Or is the Mangekyo fueled by a lingering sense of loss?

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    • @Ravenlot27 Yeah, sorry. Just wanted to point those combinations out.

      @Thekillman The way I want Sarada to awaken her Mangekyo Sharingan is that she is emotionally connected to someone so much that when that someone experiences loss, Sarada experiences it too, even though it's not really her loss. I've already wrote what abilities I want for her above.

      @Mr. Grave It might be possible the way you're taking this. Remember in Tsunade's dream, when Itachi blocked Sasuke's Chidori? Itachi then faded into white light while Naruto and Sasuke clashed their jutsus. Later on, we see Sasuke walking off with Orochimaru and when he turns back he has his Mangekyo Sharingan. Much later, Itachi confronts Sasuke about his behavior going with Akatsuki. Sasuke was just as surprised and the two brothers ganged up on Sasori and his Kage puppets (favorite episode right there).

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    • Well in my opinion she will get MS for sure , since every single female char use to be useless , you have Sakura failed heroine (useless everyone hates her).

      And you have Hinata (also useless , but for some reason people like her)

      I think kishi will try to create something different this time. Since neither Kaguya was successful as powerful character. So ye i think he will watch not to screw up this character.

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    • No more MS please. I hate it Sharingan and Uchiha had enough of a stranglehold on the plot in Naruto I don't want it in Boruto.

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    • Nope. You're not the only one. I too thought about Sarada NOT getting the MS. And I still think she shouldn't. Once she gets her three tomoe Sharingan, that's as far as it should go. I do however, think that she should obtain the Strength of a Hundred Seal and Mitotic Regeneration the Hundred Healings and all of their derivatives; just like Sakura and Tsunade. I think she should have this because, 1) she has super-brute strength like her mother, 2) Mitotic Regeneration would increase her use of chakra, making the Sharingan stronger 3) it would be nice to have another Sharingan-user NOT going into MS for a change. I also, think that Sasuke should teach her the Chidori, so that she can combine it with her Cherry Blossom Impact, making them both 2x more lethal.

      What I would've liked to see too, instead of gaining a dojutsu, Boruto should learn senjutsu and become a sage like his father.

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    • I agree with Narutofan. Much rather see Sarada become either a awesome bruiser or even a jack of all trades cause that's what sharingan does. You can easily be good at the three basic ninja fields. As for Boruto I want to see him either go sage and learn more ninjutsu then Naruto did or become a fuiinjutsu specalist and learn uzamaki techniques.

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    • @Narutofan92 and Ancladar I am currently neutral in this aspect and I don't really care if she does get a Mangekyo Sharingan. But Sarada using Susanoo: Chakra Enhanced Chidori would be lit.

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    • Besides, guys, am I the only one who wonders that 1-Tomoe Sharingan seems somewhat too low-leveled for Sarada in her current state (since most Uchiha awakened their pretty much earlier than she and thus already developed 2 or 3 tomoe at her age)?

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Besides, guys, am I the only one who wonders that 1-Tomoe Sharingan seems somewhat too low-leveled for Sarada in her current state (since most Uchiha awakened their pretty much earlier than she and thus already developed 2 or 3 tomoe at her age)?

      I think it's fine. Her chakra-enhanced strength already makes her a formidable opponent. Combining it with even a basic Sharigan is already a killer combo. Her strength is comparable to a Chidori, except it doesn't require seals, speed or preparation. With a 2 or 3 tomoe sharingan she'd be way too powerful already.

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    • you are all forgetting one thing and that is the CURSE OF HATRED. naruto and sasuke ended the curse of hatred so who knows, maybe any uchiha born under sasuke could now gain the mangekyou Sharingan without loss. or they could introduce a new type of Sharingan.

      they could also counter the eye sight loss by implanting Naruto's cells into her, kind of like how hashirama's cells countered obito's blindness.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Besides, guys, am I the only one who wonders that 1-Tomoe Sharingan seems somewhat too low-leveled for Sarada in her current state (since most Uchiha awakened their pretty much earlier than she and thus already developed 2 or 3 tomoe at her age)?

      That's because how she awakened was kind of wack, so it fits the situation.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: you are all forgetting one thing and that is the CURSE OF HATRED. naruto and sasuke ended the curse of hatred so who knows, maybe any uchiha born under sasuke could now gain the mangekyou Sharingan without loss.

      That would make it even cheaper.

      Rachin123 wrote: That's because how she awakened was kind of wack, so it fits the situation.

      She awoke it due to strong feelings. This fits with other Sharingan awakenings. Hatred works the best because it's relatively easy and fairly focused, unlike a less specific emotion like love.

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      CyberianGinseng wrote: If Sasuke saved his old eyeballs somehow, she might be able to use those to awaken EMS. Considering how they retconned resealing a bijuu to save a Jinchuuriki, I wouldn't be shocked if this happened. That's not to say it would be good for the manga.

      I would actually prefer she learn the Byakugo and 8-gates techniques. She should be able to do that with her Sharingan. Byakugo fits well with 8-gates by healing its injuries. That would make her formidable enough to far surpass her mother.

      Retconned? When?

      When Akatsuki was kidnapping Jinchuuriki, they died after their bijuu was extracted. It was stated by multiple characters that this always happens. Only Gaara survived by a resurrection jutsu at the cost of Chiyo's life. He had to die first for this to happen.

      Again, when Kushina's bijuu was extracted, there was no way to save her. She herself says if she resealed the bijuu she'd just die and take it with her. Magically, Naruto is the first time in the entire manga where a jinchuuriki could be saved by resealing its bijuu.

      That's a retcon.

      And it creates this incredible plot hole that says that Minato and Kushina died for absolutely no reason. They could've just resealed the Kyuubi inside her and went home to enjoy their brand new baby.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: When Akatsuki was kidnapping Jinchuuriki, they died after their bijuu was extracted. It was stated by multiple characters that this always happens. Only Gaara survived by a resurrection jutsu at the cost of Chiyo's life. He had to die first for this to happen.

      Again, when Kushina's bijuu was extracted, there was no way to save her. She herself says if she resealed the bijuu she'd just die and take it with her. Magically, Naruto is the first time in the entire manga where a jinchuuriki could be saved by resealing its bijuu.

      That's a retcon.

      And it creates this incredible plot hole that says that Minato and Kushina died for absolutely no reason. They could've just resealed the Kyuubi inside her and went home to enjoy their brand new baby.

      For one thing, Ginseng, you have a mistake in your facts. Kushina didn't and wouldn't have died even if Kurama was extracted. It would just greatly weaken her. Kushina suggested to Minato to reseal Kurama into her and she would, say, commit suicide, taking Kurama with her. Kushina would definitely have survived if Kurama was resealed back into her except that she would need some rest before doing anything crazy.

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    • NejiHyuga2 wrote: For one thing, Ginseng, you have a mistake in your facts. Kushina didn't and wouldn't have died even if Kurama was extracted. It would just greatly weaken her. Kushina suggested to Minato to reseal Kurama into her and she would, say, commit suicide, taking Kurama with her. Kushina would definitely have survived if Kurama was resealed back into her except that she would need some rest before doing anything crazy.

      Show me the text saying Kushina's going to commit suicide for shits and giggles... because that's exactly what you just described.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: Show me the text saying Kushina's going to commit suicide for shits and giggles... because that's exactly what you just described.

      I was just giving an example of what could happen. There is no fact that Kushina was going to commit suicide. She probably would just will herself to die to protect both Minato and Naruto and take Kurama with her. Minato refused this and sealed half in him and the other half in Naruto, the beginning of Naruto's lonely life.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: Again, when Kushina's bijuu was extracted, there was no way to save her. She herself says if she resealed the bijuu she'd just die and take it with her. Magically, Naruto is the first time in the entire manga where a jinchuuriki could be saved by resealing its bijuu.

      It's not a retcon. Kushina was already too weakened when Minato was in a position to reseal Kurama. Naruto on the other hand was on medical attention pretty much from the start. Had Kurama been captured earlier, Kushina would've survived just fine.

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    • Thekillman wrote: She awoke it due to strong feelings. This fits with other Sharingan awakenings. Hatred works the best because it's relatively easy and fairly focused, unlike a less specific emotion like love.

      Strong feelings huh? Then explain to me why Sasuke didn't awaken the Sharingan after witnessing the atrocity of his clan's massacre and even more, that his brother was behind it.

      Also, it wasn't love that activated Sarada's Sharingan, as she didn't even know her father. It was excitement of finally being able to see him. And even so, if that was the case, almost all of the Uchiha clan should have had the Sharingan. It was just a cheap way to give Sarada the Sharingan. It is what it is.

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    • @Rachin Actually, he did. Remember Chapter 403?

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    • Oh right, but isn't able to activate it again into 5 years later. But, Sarada is able to activate regularly. Who really had higher emotions? Clearly it was Sasuke.

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    • Well, actually, Sarada herself didn't activate Sharingan consciously like two times, it happened just because of emotions (the moment of awakening and then the moment when he mistakenly learns that Karin is her "mother" and gets into an argument with Naruto), she did it on her own will seemingly only during the battle with Shin army.

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    • 5 years later (Sasuke) compared to a few hours later (Sarada). Enough said. You can try to make excuses, but the fact is it doesn't make sense. Now you are telling me that wanting know who you father is, has a stronger emotional impact on you then witnessing your clan get massacred over and over again, and to know that your brother was the one who did it, and you mean to tell me that he couldn't activate it again until 5 years later regularly. I don't think so.

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    • I definitely want Sarada with Mangekyo, she no having it would be stupid.

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    • I was just giving an example of what could happen. There is no fact that Kushina was going to commit suicide. She probably would just will herself to die to protect both Minato and Naruto and take Kurama with her. Minato refused this and sealed half in him and the other half in Naruto, the beginning of Naruto's lonely life.

      There would be no point to this unless Kushina was beyond saving. Otherwise, She would've just resealed the Kyuubi and happily raised their son with her husband. The only way this doesn't happen is that at this point in the story such a thing was impossible. Later on? Retcon city baby!

      Thekillman wrote: It's not a retcon. Kushina was already too weakened when Minato was in a position to reseal Kurama. Naruto on the other hand was on medical attention pretty much from the start. Had Kurama been captured earlier, Kushina would've survived just fine.

      That might be your headcanon, but that's not true. Up until that moment, multiple characters had stated that you die when your bijuu gets extracted and there was nothing that can save you. Every Jinchuuriki we saw on screen in that situation followed this pattern. That's the reason every naruto forum during that time was wondering why in hell is Kushina taking so long to die. This was explained due to her Uzumaki body. However, it was just a matter of time. Nothing could've saved her regardless at that point in the story. Otherwise, Minato basically murdered his wife, by not teleporting her to a medical nin immediately.

      Your assertion is wrong, due to the fact that Kushina's Uzumaki blood was far thicker than Naruto's and she was in far better shape than Naruto. For you to be correct, someone would've had to make such a statement or a panel would've had to depict your description. Please, point to any such panel, description, or statement. There is absolutely nothing I can see that supports your claim.

      Only when the main character gets his bijuu extracted does it magically become possible to save a jinchuuriki that way. This is one of the biggest retcons ever seen in a manga. The author then takes it further. Characters continue to talk about how nothing can save Obito now that he's had his Bijuu extracted. (Black Zetsu comes to mind.) Simultaneously, Kirabi is saved with nothing more than a single tail at the last minute. This was not only a retcon it was an ass pull. I seem to recall hearing a news report about someone that mistakenly sat on the drain in a whirlpool and their colon was pulled out of their rectum. That is exactly what happened to Kishi when he wrote this.

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      Rachin123 wrote: Strong feelings huh? Then explain to me why Sasuke didn't awaken the Sharingan after witnessing the atrocity of his clan's massacre and even more, that his brother was behind it.

      Also, it wasn't love that activated Sarada's Sharingan, as she didn't even know her father. It was excitement of finally being able to see him. And even so, if that was the case, almost all of the Uchiha clan should have had the Sharingan. It was just a cheap way to give Sarada the Sharingan. It is what it is.

      5 years later (Sasuke) compared to a few hours later (Sarada). Enough said. You can try to make excuses, but the fact is it doesn't make sense. Now you are telling me that wanting know who you father is, has a stronger emotional impact on you then witnessing your clan get massacred over and over again, and to know that your brother was the one who did it, and you mean to tell me that he couldn't activate it again until 5 years later regularly. I don't think so.

      Sasuke did awaken 1 tomoe Sharingan when he threw the kunai at Itachi and Itachi was crying. Then he passed the hell out and forgot all about it, thus having to do it again much later. He wasn't even aware of what had happened to him, due to the trauma of Tsukuyomi, his situation, and his focus on Itachi. Sarada had no such trauma, did not pass out, and had a much clearer head to work with. Obito awoke his 2 tomoe Sharingan because he really, really, really wanted to save Rin and was instead about to get killed if he didn't. Same pattern as Sarada. No trauma, awake, clear head. Sasuke awakens 3 tomoe at VotE. Same pattern. Determination, awake, clear head. Kakashi awoke MS at the same time as Obito. Kakashi passed out and didn't remember MS. Similar pattern as Sasuke's initial wakening. Kishi isn't always consistent, but on this he wasn't nearly as bad as you're claiming. From the beginning desperation or determination also appeared to be emotions that awaken regular Sharingan, not just loss. Sarada was desperate and/or determined to see her father.

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    • ^Which exactly why I wonder why every Uchiha didn't awaken the Sharingan, especially considering how emotional they are.

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    • Am I the only one who thinks it's hilarious that the Uchiha's clan power is totally based on how emo they are?

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    • Sarada has made it clear that she wants to be Hokage and connect with the people of the village. So I think it's very possible for Sarada to have awakened the MS by the time Boruto fights Kawaki.

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    • Ancladar wrote: Am I the only one who thinks it's hilarious that the Uchiha's clan power is totally based on how emo they are?

      They're a clan with a higher-than-normal rate of mental disease and their power grows and is reflected by the type. Sasuke is fulled by hatred and can burn things with his hatred. Obito rejected reality (depersonalization syndrome) and gained the power to reject reality. Itachi was conflicted by creating his own reality and burning down the old, and gained both powers. Shisui wanted to change people's hearts and gained the power to force people's hearts to change.

      Rachin123 wrote: ^Which exactly why I wonder why every Uchiha didn't awaken the Sharingan, especially considering how emotional they are.

      Are there non-sharingan uchiha? Because it seemed that Obito thought it only a matter of time for him to awaken it. So to me it seems most Uchiha are expected to get it.

      CyberianGinseng wrote: That might be your headcanon, but that's not true. Up until that moment, multiple characters had stated that you die when your bijuu gets extracted and there was nothing that can save you. Every Jinchuuriki we saw on screen in that situation followed this pattern

      Since the Uzumaki clan itself is wiped out, individuals are extremely rare, and only made Jinchuriki in the case of the Leaf, it's not strange that characters thought that. Plus, there have only been a few generations of Jinchuriki and very very few ninja have the ability to reseal a Biju in the field. IE the Hidden Cloud had to first seal the Biju in the sealing pot before they could reseal it. The Hidden Sand also had a sealing tool.

      Considering that the Village was under attack and Kurama was wrecking havoc, i'm not sure what medical assistance he could've rendered his wife in the time provided, especially since Kurama was under Obito's control. Just bringing her to the hospital would put her at risk of being crushed or Nuked. Not to mention that he had no idea of the scope of the attack and taking out the medics is a basic tactic. He tried to stop Kurama and was then attack by Obito. After defeating Obito he still had to bring Kurama under control before being able to reseal him. At that point she was past the point of no return, especially since she also had to bind Kurama.

      Thirdly, as shown by Kishimoto, the Leaf itself is very secretive of it's Jinchuriki and they do not use them as weapons, contrary to every other village. The Kurama jinchuriki solely exist as jailors of the beast. Minato's greatest legacy was the creation of a seal that would allow Naruto to gradually adapt to Kurama's chakra and so become the first weaponized Jinchuriki.

      Even if people were aware of the possibility of resealing, in the vast majority of cases the beast would be unsealed because the Jinchuriki was losing control and so they first would have to put it back under control, which means that even if everyone used Uzumaki they'd still not get the beast back in time.

      Considering that the Gedo is the original body of the Beasts, it's no surprise it possesses the power to survive their extraction. After all, the Statue itself did.


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      I forgot to mention: Luke wasn't considered Leia's brother until revealed. Darth Vader wasn't his father until revealed. Etc etc etc. It's called a reveal. It would only be a proper retcon if we'd seen an Uzumaki jinchuriki die upon Biju extraction. Pretty much all good stories have established rules that eventually find some exception. Remember "perfect jutsu with no weakness" Edo Tensei?

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    • Thekillman wrote: Are there non-sharingan uchiha? Because it seemed that Obito thought it only a matter of time for him to awaken it.

      It was said in the very beginning that the Sharingan was something awakened by only some Uchiha. Sasuke said it himself. Then again, that was like before the first big Zabuza fight so idk if Kishi was just like nah everyone gets one.

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    • AsianReaper wrote: It was said in the very beginning that the Sharingan was something awakened by only some Uchiha. Sasuke said it himself. Then again, that was like before the first big Zabuza fight so idk if Kishi was just like nah everyone gets one.

      Well, it can mean that it was one of those things simply retconned (he does mistake Kakashi for his brother when he shows the Sharingan) or it could mean that there is a certain type of Uchiha that gets it. I mean it seems doubtful that the stay-at-home-moms meet the Sharingan conditions easily. Same goes for any Uchiha who didn't directly become a Ninja. Still, the manga itself shows that many Uchiha had it so it wasn't quite that rare. It's possible Sasuke had a biased view as well, since the Sharingan is easily hidden and many kids his age would not have the Sharingan, which would make it hard for him to accurately know how many awaken it.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: ^Which exactly why I wonder why every Uchiha didn't awaken the Sharingan, especially considering how emotional they are.

      If Naruto Part 1 is to be considered (since most of the details from Part 1 have been later retconned) and what little we saw of the Uchiha clan in the Arc preceding and describing the Uchiha slaughter, there were some individuals who apparently did not possess the Sharingan. That also could explain how Itachi and Obito were able to take out the entire clan so easily. But, not every Uchiha's life was as unstable and intriguing as the life of the plot relevant Uchiha that we know and love (Obito, Sasuke, Itachi, Sarada - you know who I'm referring to), so it's possible that they lived their lives without abandonment issues or issues of the sort and didn't awaken their Sharingan.

      Plus, I think if Kishimoto had given focus to average joe uncle Bob Uchiha, that would have ruined the infamous reputation surrounding the clan.

      It is also important to note that Uchiha who had grown accustomed to constant war and strife were not as likely to awaken the Mangekyou. That could explain why there were so few Mangekyo users during The Warring States period.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Since the Uzumaki clan itself is wiped out, individuals are extremely rare, and only made Jinchuriki in the case of the Leaf, it's not strange that characters thought that. Plus, there have only been a few generations of Jinchuriki and very very few ninja have the ability to reseal a Biju in the field. IE the Hidden Cloud had to first seal the Biju in the sealing pot before they could reseal it. The Hidden Sand also had a sealing tool.

      This does not apply to Kushina who had the jutsu for resealing the Kyuubi immediately, yet somehow figured she'd die anyway. This despite having been instructed on Jinchuuriki matters by Mito Uzumaki. Your argument doesn't hold water.

      Thekillman wrote: Considering that the Village was under attack and Kurama was wrecking havoc, i'm not sure what medical assistance he could've rendered his wife in the time provided, especially since Kurama was under Obito's control. Just bringing her to the hospital would put her at risk of being crushed or Nuked. Not to mention that he had no idea of the scope of the attack and taking out the medics is a basic tactic. He tried to stop Kurama and was then attack by Obito. After defeating Obito he still had to bring Kurama under control before being able to reseal him. At that point she was past the point of no return, especially since she also had to bind Kurama.

      He's not a medical nin. He wouldn't render any medical assistance. He is a teleporter. He would do what any father does and rush his wife to the hospital or suitable medical nin to where he left her, which he can do in certainly much less time than Gaara spent flying around retrieving Sakura and then flying to go get Minato, plus the time it took to get the Kyuubi to Naruto in Kamuiland.

      Show me where a hospital was crushed. Show me where Obito used the tactic of taking out medical nins or the Kyuubi used tactics at all? You can't; it never happened, so it's irrelevant who may have used such tactics in the history of the Narutoverse. The point of no return is death. That's the only point of no return shown in the manga. Anything else you're claiming is headcanon.

      Thekillman wrote: Thirdly, as shown by Kishimoto, the Leaf itself is very secretive of it's Jinchuriki and they do not use them as weapons, contrary to every other village. The Kurama jinchuriki solely exist as jailors of the beast. Minato's greatest legacy was the creation of a seal that would allow Naruto to gradually adapt to Kurama's chakra and so become the first weaponized Jinchuriki.

      Your point?

      Thekillman wrote: Even if people were aware of the possibility of resealing, in the vast majority of cases the beast would be unsealed because the Jinchuriki was losing control and so they first would have to put it back under control, which means that even if everyone used Uzumaki they'd still not get the beast back in time.

      The time limit to reseal the bijuu is only until the Jinchuuriki dies from the extraction. We know this is the case because Naruto was in as bad a shape as most Jinchuuriki's after extraction and was saved. Kushina was in much better shape than anybody except Obito and Rikudou Sennin, each of whom made it to Rikudou level sooooo... kind means they're in a class by themselves. There was no other "point of no return." Any such time limit to reseal the bijuu, besides the Jinchuuriki being dead already, that you've cooked up in your headcanon is nonsense.

      Thekillman wrote: EDIT: I forgot to mention: Luke wasn't considered Leia's brother until revealed. Darth Vader wasn't his father until revealed. Etc etc etc. It's called a reveal. It would only be a proper retcon if we'd seen an Uzumaki jinchuriki die upon Biju extraction. Pretty much all good stories have established rules that eventually find some exception. Remember "perfect jutsu with no weakness" Edo Tensei?

      Questions about Luke's parentage hung in the air from Obi Wan's obvious vagueness of the issue. The comparison between Luke and Vader were made by multiple characters throughout. "He has too much of his father in him." "That's what I'm afraid of." It was a well executed reveal with subtle foreshadowing, unlike the kind we find in Naruto. However, if we'd have been shown Luke's daddy. Pics of Luke as a baby with every indication this other guy was his daddy and then suddenly with no foreshadowing Vader was his daddy, it would've been just as retarded a retcon as we have when we see Jinchuuriki's dropping dead from extraction and Kushina about to drop dead from extraction with no attempt to save her, yet Naruto being saved.

      There was no reveal here. It wasn't even handled the way a reveal would be. If Kishi had intended it as a reveal he would've handled it with massive foreshadowing, like he handled every other reveal in the series. A reveal was the Flash finding out on TV Tuesday that Savitar was him in the armor. Or Obito is Tobi is not Madara was a reveal. This was not a reveal at all; it was a retcon. Two totally different plot devices.

      Kushina was an Uzumaki. She died. No one even tried to save her, despite Minato retrieving her immediately upon extraction, therefore up to that point it was impossible to save her. Naruto was in much worse shape than Kushina. He was unconscious. His heart stopped and he had to be fucking heart massaged back to life. Kushina was never unconscious and still had enough chakra to put up a barrier and reseal the Kyuubi. How much chakra did Naruto have when his heart stopped?

      Kishi has said he makes shit up as he goes along. I think this time we should believe him.

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    • So you're suggesting Minato put his wife in the middle of an active war zone, with a mobile nuclear platform on the loose and a super-fast enemy with unknown (yet high) levels of intel who tried to kill your wife a second ago, roaming around with apparently a personal score to settle? And that this is supposedly a better plan than leaving her somewhere safe while trying to retrieve the Biju as fast as possible?

      Kushina says her chakra was drained. Blood was coming from her mouth. She specifies "I will pull the beast back and it'll die with me. it's the only way to save you both with the chakra i have left". AKA "if i had more chakra i could've done more".

      CyberianGinseng wrote: How much chakra did Naruto have when his heart stopped?

      Conservative estimates of Naruto's own chakra are around a couple of hundred times Kakashi's. Kushina's we don't know.

      CyberianGinseng wrote: Kishi has said he makes shit up as he goes along. I think this time we should believe him.

      It's funny because you used Obito as an example, a character foreshadowed as far back as Hiruzen's death.

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    • Thekillman wrote: So you're suggesting Minato put his wife in the middle of an active war zone, with a mobile nuclear platform on the loose and a super-fast enemy with unknown (yet high) levels of intel who tried to kill your wife a second ago, roaming around with apparently a personal score to settle? And that this is supposedly a better plan than leaving her somewhere safe while trying to retrieve the Biju as fast as possible?

      Please, refer to my post and read this sentence again until you fully understand it: "He would do what any father does and rush his wife to the hospital or suitable medical nin to where he left her...

      I've bolded the relevant part, which you apparently missed.

      Recall that Minato's a sensor and can enter sage mode long enough to find such a person and you should then realize your argument is faulty.

      However, it's funny that you think she was safe where she was at when the Kyuubi could obliterate the entire area in an instant.

      Thekillman wrote: Kushina says her chakra was drained. Blood was coming from her mouth. She specifies "I will pull the beast back and it'll die with me. it's the only way to save you both with the chakra i have left". AKA "if i had more chakra i could've done more".

      Yes, it was drained. But her heart didn't stop, unlike Naruto. She was in far better shape than he was.

      Thekillman wrote: Conservative estimates of Naruto's own chakra are around a couple of hundred times Kakashi's. Kushina's we don't know.

      He only has that much, according to Kakashi, when he has the Kyuubi, which he no longer had. By himself when he's healthy, he has 4 times as much as Kakashi. He wasn't even healthy and had no access to chakra at that time due to his critical condition.

      Kushina on the other hand had to have more available than Naruto, as we know from Danzou's fight, when a person is close to death they lose control of their chakras. Makes sense as their vitality is literally fading from their body.

      Chakra depletion is almost always depicted as physical exhaustion and leads to unconsciousness. Naruto lost consciousness immediately. Naruto was the only one unconscious. Kushina was performing a high level jutsu. And had room for one more.

      It's notable that you disagree with Sakura that her medical ninjutsu, everything she had done before the actual heart massage, she says had "no effect." Not sure how something that had "no effect" did anything to help reseal the bijuu. I guess I'm supposed to believe you over Sakura.

      Thekillman wrote: It's funny because you used Obito as an example, a character foreshadowed as far back as Hiruzen's death.

      Oh, so is this a fake summary of a Kishimoto interview?!?

      A: Kishimoto says that he wanted to do this right off the bat to show off Kakashi’s strength as an example of what an experienced ninja can do in the Narutoverse. This would set some cornerstones down in the manga straight away and make it easier for the audience to put things into perspective. Kobayashi points out that there were many things introduced in this arc that played huge roles right until the end of the series (kekkei genkai, sharingan etc), but Kishimoto just said he was ‘bluffing’ with these things in the beginning [nb: in other words he just made them up without any thought on how to use them in the future]. At the time he was just making these things up for the excitement and suspense, but didn’t pick up on what to do with some of these threads long-term until later. Basically he was making it up as he went. Even with Sasuke’s backstory, at the time of the Wave Arc, all that had been thought out was that Sasuke had an elder brother who had done something bad, and that was it. Kishimoto admits the planning was very hazy at this point. However, at the point where Itachi is actually introduced, Kishimoto had decided to secretly make him a good guy, but the reason he did something bad was because of circumstances. Kishimoto also says that although he introduced the Sharingan as being able to copy moves, the premise on what the Sharingan could do changed drastically over the course of the storyline.

      Either way your nonsensical statement is extremely funny. Either because Narutopedia is posting fake interviews or because you don't know what you're talking about.

      I guess you better call Kishi or whoever posted this and tell him to quit lying.

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    • That interview talks about stuff around the Chunin exams. We already knew that Sasuke was added by request of his editor and that Kishimoto was still finding his ground. Early Installment Weirdness is pretty common. That doesn't mean it's true for everything. It's clear from things like Hiruzen's memories as well as cases like Obito/Tobi, as well as Itachi as mentioned in that very interview, that Kishimoto did in fact plan things.

      You're still talking about Minato going off to find a medic in the middle of an extremely dangerous situation. Obito also murdered a bunch when he got past the barrier. When he appeared at Konoha, Kurama attacked him immediately followed by Minato getting attacked by Obito. Please, point at a moment where Minato could go off on a sidequest to save his wife, when he was already busy saving a village and himself.

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    • Could happen. And if she does get Mangekyo Sharingan, would her Susano be male or female? Sasuke doesn't have to die for her to get the Eternal Mangekyo. Sasuke's original eyes might be out there, and all those eyes Obito gathered (very likely thanks to the Uchiha Massacre), plus a whole sect of Shin in Kabuto's orphanage. There's plenty to choose from. And, let's say Sasuke does give his eyes to her (and by extension she would get Sasuke's unique Rinnegan, though if she will be able to use it at full capacity is unknown). Again that doesn't mean death. A person is completely capable of living without eyes. Itachi was near blind when Sasuke fought him. Hell, when Madara came back to life he briefly lost his Rinnegan and fought Sasuke, Naruto, Sai, and all the bijuus with no eyes. With Sarada getting the Mangekyo would answer a few questions once and for all, such as: Is it really necessary for the user to have both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to awake Susano? Or is it that all Mangekyo user can actually awake Susano and have different Mangekyo abilities? Obito had Kamui (and the weirdest part is that his Mangekyo never faded. No sight loss whatsoever) . Itachi Tsukuyomi. Shisui Kotoamatsukami. Sasuke Enton. Madara Perfect Susano on the first attempt

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    • No. Just no to any more sharingan shenanigans. It had its moment which was massive chunk of Naruto and Shippuden and it doesn't need anymore of a stranglehold on a plot. Base sharingan is powerful enough we don't need Sarada pooping out gundams of chakra, warping space time, setting things on fire by looking at it, and so on. Naruto was at its best when things had to be thought out in a fight not who craps out the strongest jutsu and that's all MS is. A power jutsu crapper.

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    • Ancladar wrote: No. Just no to any more sharingan shenanigans. It had its moment which was massive chunk of Naruto and Shippuden and it doesn't need anymore of a stranglehold on a plot. Base sharingan is powerful enough we don't need Sarada pooping out gundams of chakra, warping space time, setting things on fire by looking at it, and so on. Naruto was at its best when things had to be thought out in a fight not who craps out the strongest jutsu and that's all MS is. A power jutsu crapper.

      The Mangekyou was one of the best things about Naruto. The problem is with EMS and Obito's hack making these powers too easily spammed. The way Itachi used it, the way he shut his eye and blood came out, you knew shit was about to go down. Those moments were great.

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    • Thekillman wrote: That interview talks about stuff around the Chunin exams. We already knew that Sasuke was added by request of his editor and that Kishimoto was still finding his ground. Early Installment Weirdness is pretty common. That doesn't mean it's true for everything. It's clear from things like Hiruzen's memories as well as cases like Obito/Tobi, as well as Itachi as mentioned in that very interview, that Kishimoto did in fact plan things.

      You're still talking about Minato going off to find a medic in the middle of an extremely dangerous situation. Obito also murdered a bunch when he got past the barrier. When he appeared at Konoha, Kurama attacked him immediately followed by Minato getting attacked by Obito. Please, point at a moment where Minato could go off on a sidequest to save his wife, when he was already busy saving a village and himself.

      I didn't say that it was true for everything. It demonstrates that it's true for a lot of things.

      Minato's a sensor and can go into sage mode. He will know instantly what medical nins are alive and where they're at. 10 seconds tops and he's got a hold of them and taken them back to his ready room.

      In any case, it would take far shorter time than it took Gaara flying around the battlefield with Naruto to 2 different locations.

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    • @CyberianGinseng, it takes Minato forever to get into Sage Mode, it doesn't last long, and even as a sensor he can't just automatically know which chakra belongs to who (like who's a medic and who's not)

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    • AsianReaper wrote: @CyberianGinseng, it takes Minato forever to get into Sage Mode, it doesn't last long, and even as a sensor he can't just automatically know which chakra belongs to who (like who's a medic and who's not)

      No, go back and read what he said. It took more time than he had right now with Madara on the attack. He never said it took forever. He was also visibly weak from extracting the Kyuubi from himself, so much so he stumbled and fell. Clearly, that affects the chakra. We're talking a minute or two when he stopped moving and went into sage mode. lmao! Clearly, much less time than Gaara took flying his ass around the battlefield to pick up Sakura then go and find Minato.

      Again, y'all haven't even proven that medical treatment would've done anything for Kushina at ANY point, even if she'd gotten it instantaneously. The only thing Sakura did for Naruto, according to her own words ("my medical ninjutsu isn't having any effect!"), was restart his heart, using a regular heart massage. Kushina's heart never stopped. Any claims that she needed medical treatment to live despite being in much better shape than Naruto is asinine.

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    • Besides, the only way to save her was to put the Kyuubi (or half of it) back into her. Once you remove the bijuu from a jinchuriki, they'll die.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: Minato's a sensor and can go into sage mode. He will know instantly what medical nins are alive and where they're at. 10 seconds tops and he's got a hold of them and taken them back to his ready room.

      You're suggesting now that he memorized the chakra of every single citizen of Konoha?

      CyberianGinseng wrote: In any case, it would take far shorter time than it took Gaara flying around the battlefield with Naruto to 2 different locations.

      We don't really have an accurate timeframe for this. Both seemed to have been out of it for a few minutes, tops.

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    • Thekillman wrote: You're suggesting now that he memorized the chakra of every single citizen of Konoha?

      People who aren't even sensors regularly recognize the chakras of people they only met once, some times years later. We're talking about a sensor here. Either repetition or intensity of experience leads to clear recollection of someone's chakra, especially for sensors. Orochimaru and Sasuke recognized Naruto's chakra in chapter 616. Orochimaru actually says, none of us are sensors, but points out this is Naruto's chakra.

      Am I supposed to believe Minato, who's a ninja that's been in war and on multiple missions, never went to the hospital enough or worked alongside them in the field to recognize the chakra of at least a few medical nins? He somehow can't replicate what Orochimaru, who met Naruto only a few times, could do?

      Thekillman wrote: We don't really have an accurate timeframe for this. Both seemed to have been out of it for a few minutes, tops.

      Regardless, the crux of your argument is that Naruto received time critical medical ninjutsu, which Sakura said was "having no effect," that Kushina had no access to.

      With the last of her chakra she sliced his chest open and manually massaged his heart with a regular medical technique. So the only difference between him and Kushina was he dropped dead and had to be revived. She didn't.

      We are never told anything like what you claim in the manga. The only time limit appears to be death. Any other limit is literally your headcanon, nothing more.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: People who aren't even sensors regularly recognize the chakras of people they only met once, some times years later. We're talking about a sensor here. Either repetition or intensity of experience leads to clear recollection of someone's chakra, especially for sensors. Orochimaru and Sasuke recognized Naruto's chakra in chapter 616. Orochimaru actually says, none of us are sensors, but points out this is Naruto's chakra.

      Am I supposed to believe Minato, who's a ninja that's been in war and on multiple missions, never went to the hospital enough or worked alongside them in the field to recognize the chakra of at least a few medical nins? He somehow can't replicate what Orochimaru, who met Naruto only a few times, could do?

      Lol what? Dude, Orochimaru has seen Naruto and witnessed his chakra. And Naruto's chakra was massive at the time he sensed it away from the battlefield, that's very different. This "we're not sensors but we can sense Naruto" is only a comment on the fact that Naruto was handling huge amounts of chakra.

      That's like Orochimaru noticing Naruto screaming while in a crowd of people far away and recognizing his voice, and you thinking Minato should be able listen to the multitude of voices talking at the same time and be able to recognize things in a timely manner.

      Plus, Minato died like 17 years earlier. Most medical nin may have been retired, and he was dealing with the ENTIRE Shinobi alliance; he has no idea who the medical nin of other countries are, and sifting through every single one of their chakras is a ridiculous thing to expect of any sensor short of a sage. And half of the Shinobi Alliance or more were dead at that point too, again decreasing the probability of him meeting a med he knew in life.

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    • AsianReaper wrote: Lol what? Dude, (1)Orochimaru has seen Naruto and witnessed his chakra. And Naruto's chakra was massive at the time he sensed it away from the battlefield, that's very different. This "we're not sensors but we can sense Naruto" (2) is only a comment on the fact that Naruto was handling huge amounts of chakra.

      1) Exactly. 2) No. It's also a comment on being able to recognize somebody's chakra you've only met a few times, which is my point.

      AsianReaper wrote: That's like Orochimaru noticing Naruto screaming while in a crowd of people far away and recognizing his voice, and you thinking Minato should be able listen to the multitude of voices talking at the same time and be able to recognize things in a timely manner.

      You mean like Naruto noticing Kakashi's chakra being quiet as a cat pissing on cotton? Yeah. That's exactly what I'm thinking.

      To put another way, the guy I'm arguing with is not arguing someone's chakra is too quiet to notice. That's a different issue (which Naruto's feat settles quite nicely). He's implying you shouldn't be able to recognize chakra period, unless you memorize it. Do you memorize voices consciously? No you don't. It happens subconsciously and automatically. You never even think about it until you happen to hear somebody talk. That's how chakra awareness has been presented in the manga.

      AsianReaper wrote: Plus, Minato died like 17 years earlier. Most medical nin may have been retired, and he was dealing with the ENTIRE Shinobi alliance; he has no idea who the medical nin of other countries are, and sifting through every single one of their chakras is a ridiculous thing to expect of any sensor short of a sage. And half of the Shinobi Alliance or more were dead at that point too, again decreasing the probability of him meeting a med he knew in life.

      So Minato died 17 years before the night he died? Cause you know that's the night we're talking about, right? Lol what? No. "Lol dafuq?" is the question.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: Am I supposed to believe Minato, who's a ninja that's been in war and on multiple missions, never went to the hospital enough or worked alongside them in the field to recognize the chakra of at least a few medical nins? He somehow can't replicate what Orochimaru, who met Naruto only a few times, could do?

      Oh surely he knew some medical ninja. Almost certainly the ones that died at Obito's hands.

      CyberianGinseng wrote: We are never told anything like what you claim in the manga. The only time limit appears to be death. Any other limit is literally your headcanon, nothing more.

      So everything has to be directly stated in the manga for it to be true? Are we not allowed to think for ourselves? There are plenty of times in the Manga where it shows in stead of telling, or where it implies things it doesn't elaborate on. The manga provides facts. We can interpret those facts to see connections the author intended. We can build a structure beyond the mere words shown, because logic still applies.

      Besides, ever since Minato split Kurama it seemed fairly obvious to me that it was intended as a backup for Naruto in case that plot thread was ever needed. The resealing thing was obviously intended as a dramatic reveal (Kurama tells Gaara but it's only shown two or so chapters later) and it would be an extremely shitty one if he just outright said "well it can be survived". Not much drama in that. With regular people instantly dying upon extraction and the Uzumaki mostly extinct, it's clear to me that this was intended to be obscure information to begin with.

      The Manga had cases before where in-universe information was limited or incorrect. Remember Madara's backstory? We've had 3-4 in-universe revisions due to revelations, lies and incorrect assumptions. The juubi, the Rinnegan, the tablet, hagoromo, Kaguya.

      In this specific case, Konoha may not have been aware of the resealing effect, since you know it never came up and that information isn't magically gained. Kurama would obviously know the full extent of his own power since he's 1000 years old, but Konoha had a handful of Kurama jinchuriki and Kushina was the first to have it extracted in a non-controlled manner. If she'd sealed Kurama again, that would be the first indication it was possible. Every other village was seeing their jinchuriki drop dead on Biju extraction with no exceptions (Since Uzumaki exclusively dealt with Konoha and Konoha kept it a secret).

      That assumes Kushina would survive her Sealing technique. We've seen that people can cast a final technique yet die in the process (IE Kakashi's chakra was low, he used Kamui and died from the after-effects). So even if she was aware, her levels would be too low to seal Kurama and survive long enough for the resealing effect to kick in. We already saw Minato couldn't seal the Full Kurama (hence the Reaper Jutsu).

      it seems to me you made the resealing effect a retcon in your own headcanon because you disliked it. All the stuff i say is not contradicted by the Manga. It's not the first time in-universe knowledge is revealed to be false, for actual reasons. In this case the reasons are due to the nature of jinchuriki programs, or due to established effects of chakra exhaustion.

      I also don't see why you don't understand that Minato had no time to get a medical ninja. Read the Manga, and point out to me at what point he could've gotten a medical ninja. Unless you want to imply that Minato would be a heartless bastard that would sacrifice the lives of hundreds if not thousands to buy his wife some time, with questionable survival chances.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Oh surely he knew some medical ninja. Almost certainly the ones that died at Obito's hands.

      Based on what evidence?

      Thekillman wrote: So everything has to be directly stated in the manga for it to be true? Are we not allowed to think for ourselves? There are plenty of times in the Manga where it shows in stead of telling, or where it implies things it doesn't elaborate on. The manga provides facts. We can interpret those facts to see connections the author intended. We can build a structure beyond the mere words shown, because logic still applies.

      Oh no. However, the thoughts, logic, etc must be based on concrete evidence from the manga, if you're presenting it as fact, as you have been. If you're speculating, the sky's the limit! I have no problem with speculation, as long as you admit that's what it is.

      Thekillman wrote: Besides, ever since Minato split Kurama it seemed fairly obvious to me that it was intended as a backup for Naruto in case that plot thread was ever needed. The resealing thing was obviously intended as a dramatic reveal (Kurama tells Gaara but it's only shown two or so chapters later) and it would be an extremely shitty one if he just outright said "well it can be survived". Not much drama in that. With regular people instantly dying upon extraction and the Uzumaki mostly extinct, it's clear to me that this was intended to be obscure information to begin with.

      Your headcanon can be as fairly obvious to you as you want it to be. Just don't tell me that that's not what it is. What seems fairly obvious to me is that Kishi didn't have that much planned out that early. We're talking somewhere across chapters 300s when Jiraiya talked about that.

      Thekillman wrote: The Manga had cases before where in-universe information was limited or incorrect. Remember Madara's backstory? We've had 3-4 in-universe revisions due to revelations, lies and incorrect assumptions. The juubi, the Rinnegan, the tablet, hagoromo, Kaguya.

      Meanwhile, we had numerous completely consistent dialogue and depictions of bijuu extraction, then one magical outlier starts the ball rolling in the opposite direction.

      Thekillman wrote: In this specific case, Konoha may not have been aware of the resealing effect, since you know it never came up and that information isn't magically gained. Kurama would obviously know the full extent of his own power since he's 1000 years old, but Konoha had a handful of Kurama jinchuriki and Kushina was the first to have it extracted in a non-controlled manner. If she'd sealed Kurama again, that would be the first indication it was possible. Every other village was seeing their jinchuriki drop dead on Biju extraction with no exceptions (Since Uzumaki exclusively dealt with Konoha and Konoha kept it a secret).

      This is a rational argument. However, it still doesn't make sense that they wouldn't even consider the possibility. If they were so short on knowledge as you say, why would it be so embedded in their minds that it's not possible? And it certainly doesn't make sense that Minato wouldn't attempt to do everything to save his wife and perserve their jutsu. Instead he just removes them both from the battlefield of life. No. It's clear Kishi wrote himself into a corner and chose the only way out, a retcon.

      Thekillman wrote: That assumes Kushina would survive her Sealing technique. We've seen that people can cast a final technique yet die in the process (IE Kakashi's chakra was low, he used Kamui and died from the after-effects). So even if she was aware, her levels would be too low to seal Kurama and survive long enough for the resealing effect to kick in. We already saw Minato couldn't seal the Full Kurama (hence the Reaper Jutsu).

      Except, Minato had enough chakra to summon the scroll toad, cast Shiki Fuin to seal half the kyuubi, and seal the other Kyuubi half with both his remaining chakra and Kushina's into Naruto. The Death God is a high level jutsu. If instead he would've used the chakra for that particular jutsu to give Kushina extra chakra to live and get to medical nins, then his wife, who had enough chakra to seal the whole Kyuubi herself, as well as, he himself could've both survived. We know he could've done this because he knew the method for giving other people chakra that they can use as their own. How do we know? Because Kurama told us so.

      Thekillman wrote: it seems to me you made the resealing effect a retcon in your own headcanon because you disliked it. All the stuff i say is not contradicted by the Manga. It's not the first time in-universe knowledge is revealed to be false, for actual reasons. In this case the reasons are due to the nature of jinchuriki programs, or due to established effects of chakra exhaustion.

      Except I didn't make anything else I didn't like a retcon. I didn't like the Obito Reveal. I didn't call it a retcon. I didn't like Minato's FTG being a hand-me-down from Tobirama. I didn't call it a retcon. I didn't like the Rinnegan being an evolution of the Sharingan (or the Sharingan a devolution). I didn't call it a retcon. Clearly, your theory that I call something a retcon because I don't like it has some flaws in it. Obviously, I must have some other criteria for deciding if something is a retcon.

      No it's not the first time. However, it is one of the times in universe knowledge was changed for ass pull reasons. Chakra exhaustion was not the original reason for Jinchuuriki death upon extraction. That wouldn't even make any sense. Obito is dying. Talking about dying. Everybody agrees he's dying, yet he had chakra right up till the very end.

      Thekillman wrote: I also don't see why you don't understand that Minato had no time to get a medical ninja. Read the Manga, and point out to me at what point he could've gotten a medical ninja. Unless you want to imply that Minato would be a heartless bastard that would sacrifice the lives of hundreds if not thousands to buy his wife some time, with questionable survival chances.

      And I don't see why you don't understand that it's impossible that he was too low on time to get medical attention.

      And I also don't see why you don't understand the fact that 1) he had time, 2) he's not a heartless bastard and would definitely try everything possible to save his wife, 3)he didn't have to sacrifice anybody that was not already sacrificed, 4) doing what he did put the village in jeopardy for the next 17 years, due to loss of two critical jutsus: FTG and Adamantine Sealing Chains (not to mention all that Uzumaki knowledge down the toilet), and 5) for all the above reasons plus others I've stated elsewhere, it had to be a retcon.

      EDIT: It occurs to me that this has gone quite a bit far off topic. We can discuss it elsewhere if you like, but we probably shouldn't keep doing so here.

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: It occurs to me that this has gone quite a bit far off topic. We can discuss it elsewhere if you like, but we probably shouldn't keep doing so here.

      I was about to post the same. But i don't really see a point in continuing this, we've been going back and forth for a while now and i don't see us getting any closer to any form of resolution.

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    • there is no way anyone in the leaf would take the chance of sealing a biju back into kushina, if the jinchuriki dies, the biju also temporarily dies until its reborn however long later. so even if minata that there was a possiblity that resealing kurama into kushina would save her life, he wouldn't have taken the chance of not only losing kushina but losing the biju. so the only logical thing was to seal the biju into naruto.

      even if he did seal kurama back into her she still just went though child birth and as such her body would have still been beat up from the child birth and her chakra network would have still been weak and as such kurama could have still been unsealed again.

      there is also the possiblity that the only reason resealing kurama worked on naruto in the first place is because naruto is a transmigrant of asura and as such has a far stronger life force than anyone else

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    • @Actionmanrandell, we literally JUST established that that topic was off topic and we weren't discussing it here anymore

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    • Well it even wouldn't be a suprise if she got a rinnegen lol. She's meant to have a MS, by what Itachi kept telling Sasuke of, that awakening the MS is in their blood? for some reason I think it's true.

      I like the three tomoe sharingan alot, and it's awesome.Their ability to copy jutsus and such and always seeing opponents reaction to seeing a sharingan is always something to watch.

      And I liked how with a smart and capable enough user, can even overwhelm Kage level shinobi's. and with extreme training and skills closely enough with a MS user but not fully close. Since the power gap between MS users and Sharingan is the Susanoo. And also it's enhanced sharingan and vision ability.

      The EMS isn't that bad, since it showed a whole story of loved ones trying to kill their loved ones or avenge them with it. Madara's and Sasuke's transplanted eyes give a good symbolism to the clan that just loves too much, about how their eyes allow their loved one to achieve Light from the darkness of their MS, and it's evetlasting way of saying that their lost one will always be at their side(like Sasuke sensing Itachi's chakra in his eyes) and that it'll help them sooth out the pain and suffering of their eyes and protect them from anything(Susanoo is changed to something in between both users susanoo or something).

      And I think there was a considerable amount of sharingan Uchiha's since Danzo, Shin and Obito had plenty of it from the massacare. and it's not that surprising, since in the shinobi world many suffer from war and mission experiences that will effect even a non Uchiha, even Nagato awakened Madara's Rinnegen and he wasn't a Uchiha, so some people can be that sad, and love as much as the Uchihas.

      Now Sarada awakening Sharingan and maintaining it isn't that surprising. Since she was already older than Sasuke at that event and did not have any gruesome memories to block out from at a younger age. And Sasuke awakening his Sharingan at a battle isn't common to which Haku himself says (I almost wrote herself lol) that awakening a Kekkei Genkei at a middle of a battle is a amazing feat, so it seems that it's more rare to awaken it at a battle than at a family dispute.

      Anyways if she's getting a MS then the question is what will her MS power be? Well in my theory considering all MS abilities is kind of a symbol ofr the Uchiha's emotions/problems or their wish of doing things. so taking Sarada, a girl who wants to become Hokage, thus would have the heart to protect everyone and taking that she wants to totally be different from her father to the point where she wants to do a different answer just because it would probably be opposite to her father's choice lol, I think it be healing/fixing. Taking that Sasuke's MS power is to burn/destroy everything at sight, Sarada would heal or fix everything with one eye and with the other eye she'll have a mode like her Mother and Tsunade which will give her all the abilities of that mode but also ease up the side effects of that mode, which is losing her life force or something.

      And I would wish if her MS be similar to both Sasuke and Itachi's you know, Like the design of Itachi's but probably thicker or more in length and the colour design of Sasuke's MS, and it seems fit since Sasuke did have EMS formed from Itachi's eyes, you know?

      Well the way Sarada would awake her MS would be obvious. don't tell me none of you thought of it. Sarada's a Uchiha her love for anything is much more than what normal would have at anything, she wants to become Hokage, a Hokage loves his/her people for than anything, in the first chapter/episode of Boruto, village is destroyed, again the hidden village of the leaf is destroyed, the village which Sarada wanted to become Hokage at, now that I say it, I think her power could also be of revival, like reviving people you know?

      I would love it if she has the genjutsu skills of her uncle, it'll be great to see Sasuke remembering his brother in seeing her skills.

      And about the blindness I don't think it'll be that much of problem since Sarada has alot of choices for curing her blindness lol.

      And it would be too unfair for her not to have a MS when one of her teammate is expected to be at Naruto and Sasuke's level and the other already possesing Snake Sage Mode, and what to not expect from that potentiel.

      All in all, I wouldn't mind her having such a jutsu and it awesome if they improved her ability slowly, not as in giving her a lack of skill but as in gradually improving her abilities by giving her enough focus too, considering they had to speed up alot of character's improvement,like Sasuke's because they usually only make him appear to give him detailed major fights only not to show him training or anything but only for fights, so I wish it Sarada would show her improvements at each step.

      These are all my own honest opinions. :)

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: And I think there was a considerable amount of sharingan Uchiha's since Danzo, Shin and Obito had plenty of it from the massacare. and it's not that surprising, since in the shinobi world many suffer from war and mission experiences that will effect even a non Uchiha, even Nagato awakened Madara's Rinnegen and he wasn't a Uchiha, so some people can be that sad, and love as much as the family dispute.

      Umm... Dude. Nagato didn't awaken a Rinnegan. Madara transplanted his Rinnegan into a young Nagato without anyone knowing. Check your facts and come back.

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    • @NejiHyuga2. Umm dude, I did say MADARA'S RINNEGEN. I know all that. and what do you suppose Nagato did so the rinnegen appeared in him? It's Madara's rinnegen, I know that and I already said it. Nagato awakened the Rinnegen that Madara transplanted in him. and anyways, there wasn't much of a relevence in it for you to point it out, like where in my whole post does that matter give any relevence? I'm talking about Sarada's possible MS here, that EMS and awakening talk was just some side talk lol.

      Well you don't need to check your facts but please just read what people say before going against them. like seriously.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: @NejiHyuga2. Umm dude, I did say MADARA'S RINNEGEN. I know all that. and what do you suppose Nagato did so the rinnegen appeared in him? It's Madara's rinnegen, I know that and I already said it. Nagato awakened the Rinnegen that Madara transplanted in him. and anyways, there wasn't much of a relevence in it for you to point it out, like where in my whole post does that matter give any relevence? I'm talking about Sarada's possible MS here, that EMS and awakening talk was just some side talk lol.

      Well you don't need to check your facts but please just read what people say before going against them. like seriously.

      Well, I derped. I didn't read your whole post :P. Anyway, Sarada could have two abilities in each eye. Left eye I would like to be Amaterasu and Lunar Scribe: Kaikishoku and right eye I would like to be Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi and Tsukuyomi. I mean that would make perfect sense in combining Itachi's and Sasuke's ocular abilities.

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    • Well, I guess I still need to learn how to perfectly display what I'm trying to say. And I guess I should make my posts more interesting and less, well less whatever bad in it lol.

      Yeah but MS jutsus usually are a symbol of the Uchihas emotions/desires. Sarada's has the goal of becoming Hokage and wants to literally be opposite to her father, to the point where she even wants to take the opposite answer on whether or not it would be right lol(I can't stop laughing about it lol). So a ability that contradicts Sasuke's MS jutsu would be a more appropriate choice, and it'll be her own MS jutsu.

      While that doesn't mean your opinion isn't interesting. It's just that Fire jutsus and one shot jutsus always get in someway some kind of unbelieveble plot resistence.I mean I can't even remember if a fire jutsu ever really a killed shinobi yet? and her Amaterasu will always be unsuccesful in major fights so the fight can't end in a less interesting way. It'll probably be succesful in her first try like Sasuke's first Amaterasu attack. But then slowly it won't even be a thing to use against enemies especially if Sarada's personality stays the same.She wouldn't even use it take down people, like how adult Sasuke is probably now.

      But your opinion could be true, if in a case when she sees the village destroyed, she'll lose all her used to be morals just like Sasuke and Obito. And maybe achieve her MS through that way.

      But anyways what is Lunar Scribe:Kaikishoku? and what does it do?

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    • Think about Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi. Now think about it's application to Tsukuyomi. That's Lunar Scribe: Kaikishoku. The user will be able to fluidly shape the genjutsu of Tsukuyomi with this technique.

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    • I'd rather her just learn a lot of jutsu like kakashi and just be a boss without the stupid plot no jutsu eye evolution. Heck if Sarada learned how to use the first few gates or got a sage mode with basic sharingan she'd be pretty darn powerful. Imagine how hard Lee would have schooled people with just the basic eyes. Or Sakura and you know actually be able to hit people with her super punches without lots of help.

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    • Mr. Grave wrote: 1) A Mangekyo awakening causes complications.

      First of all, to awaken a Mangekyo you need to experience the pain of loss. That means that in order to awaken Mangekyo, someone close to Sarada is gonna have to go. Thing is, so far, everyone close to Sarada is either imperative to the plot or a beloved character that Ikemoto wouldn't have the balls to kill off. The only one I can think of that would cause the least backlash is Chocho, and even her death would stirr up a shitstorm. But, say this issue got resolved somehow - you also have the whole sight loss drawback. And in order to fix it, Sarada's gonna have to attain Eternal Mangekyo, which would imply Sasuke's death. Of course, I'm taking into account the rules that have been laid out so far. They could always use the "oh, but she's an exception because her genes are made of phlebotinum plot armor".
      I don't think it's imperative for sarada to lose someone in order to obtain Mangeykyou especially when that was the theme of Curse of Hatred, And Curse of Hatred is long gone. It's clear from writer's intention (especially from Sarada's method of obtaining Sharingan) That he isn't going to use the negative emotion in order for Sarada to awaken Mangeykyou, It could very well be a strong positive emotion which would enable her to access the mangeykyou. Given Tobirama's explanation of sharingan I am inclined to think that mangeykyou could be obtained in more positive manner than shown in the series.

      Mr. Grave wrote: 2) There are other opportunities for improvement. As Zetsu commented, a sharingan is only as good as it's user. Sasuke Uchiha fought Kage level shinobi using only the three tomoe sharingan and his wits (and okay, Orochimaru's curse mark). Sakura had precise chakra control and brute strength. Combine those two, and you get a Sarada who's able to perform badass jutsu while conserving chakra. She will most likely be able to pull off Mitotic Regeneration and summon Katsuyu too. I'm not yet sure on how Ikemoto's gonna proceed regarding the power ups - maybe Sarada too will be influenced by an outer source of power like Boruto and get abilities that have nothing to do with her bloodline. If they do play her straight though, then I don't think she needs a Mangekyo to be cool. I mean, Hiruzen had no kekkei genkai and no deus ex machina powerups and he could still kick major ass.

      Well what's interesting to me is the fact that Sarada brings lot more to the table than Sakura ever did. Instead of being the copy tsunade or tsunade number two she would genuinely become that Genjutsu Sakura type also she would most likely learn the nature transformation and use them in battle(like the uchiha's fire style and so on), though I would be quite interested in Kakashi's copy legacy. No one ever replicated that repo in the series which was one of kakashi's finer qualities where he used to throw his opponents in their own game a trait I would like sarada to show..

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    • NejiHyuga2 wrote: Think about Blaze Release: Kagutsuchi. Now think about it's application to Tsukuyomi. That's Lunar Scribe: Kaikishoku. The user will be able to fluidly shape the genjutsu of Tsukuyomi with this technique.

      I don't think the MS works that way. I mean, not that exact way.

      We've seen that people with two different powers have quite a bit of power and quite a bit of control. Itachi for instance couldn't just cast Amaterasu, he could also stop the flames. Sasuke on the other hand needs Kagutsuchi to do that.

      In fact, it seems to me that when people have a dual power, one eye is refined for power and one eye is refined for control.

      Sasuke: Amaterasu can cast flames like Itachi's, but can't control it. Kagutsuchi can shape the flames but not project it over distances.
      Kakashi/Obito: Kakashi's Kamui can project a spacetime barrier over a distance. Obito's Kamui only works on himself and objects he touches. However, he can create complex barrier shapes to partially transport himself for intangibility.
      Shin: Shin's ability is essentially Kamui, but as a one-eye type power he can cast it centered around him while extending the field further. This fits the idea outlined above, even though it's never called Kamui.
      Shishui/Danzo. This case isn't very clear. However it seems that Danzo possessed the Control type eye (subtle manipulations of the mind) while Itachi's crow possessed the Power type eye, which could issue direct commands("protect Konoka"). (and so, Shisui could force people to do things while making it seem like their idea).

      Sasuke is the odd one out, but he named his technique himself. In a sense he simply has Dual Amaterasu.

      It's then difficult to see what exactly a Dual Tsukuyome would be. Maybe it would split the powers over Genjutsu Space and Genjutsu time, with refinement for both?

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    • @Anclader. Well yeah the Sharingan's predictive ability and the copying ability will help alot for Sarada who's ability this far is shown to be more of her mother's. Like she just needs to watch Rock Lee or Metal Lee do some moves and she'll copy it and she just needs to know where her targets are gonna come, and she'll be able to land a hit(a hit that would be enough to knock almost anyone out). With all these saying I would love it if she had her father's speedy nature with it. Like his movements being faster than well, fast shinobis.

      Basically she would be almost undefeateble, like speed to attack people before they know it, strength to knock out people with one hit, ability to react to mostly any attack and her shuriken ability gives her a chance to stress out her enemies. Basically she'll be a monster at every range possible.

      And about her ninjutsu skills, I think it'll be fire and lightning and she'll probably learn to use all three summoning animals.

      Well I certainly would like the idea of Sarada being taught under the 6th Hokage. speaking of which has anyone noticed that Naruto is the 7th Hokage from Team 7. I mean is the number a coincidence or something?

      Anyways, I think Sarada would need a cool and understanding teacher like Kakashi possibly joining the rythem of how students of Hokages finally become Hokage themselves.

      So it would also be cool since she can be taught the chidori and many other techniques. I actually liked the student teacher duo of Kakashi and Sasuke even it was for a short time. I guess this could probably revive that. Considering she didn't wanted to learn under her father, even though she had enough time to ease drop on Boruto training.

      @Namikaze. Anyways I think Sarada could just awaken her MS through protecting someone or something like the village she loves. I mean it was shown directly that Sasuke awakened his Sharingan though the need of protecting someone, while he awakened his MS abilities through the process of protecting Taka, and parhaps Sarada could just try to protect the village or her friends? or maybe fall in the darkness and awaken it by loss of the village or someone she loved.

      @NejiHyuga. I think Tsukuyomi already has that ability. since Tsukuyomi and all genjutsu can be just easily manipulated in the mind but better with more refine skills, so I think Tsukuyomi already has that ability. But maybe I'm wrong.

      @Thekillman. I don't think Itachi has that ability to stop it( but I could be wrong). You most likely are taking the brother's battle into play, But I think it's more of a amount of flames like Amaterasu never burned more than it was casted like, it never grew/build up woth other fuels like normal fire, it just kept buring there, till the thing itself got smothered to nothingness. I think this would be right, or else 7 days and 7 nights of this powerful flame burning would have destroyed a whole forest and cross it to reach a nearby village and destroy it too.

      So I think since Amaterasu only aimed at Sasuke a little(but fatel) amount at his body, that possibly burned his skin off(if he wasn't doing the body replacement trick that is). So I kind of feel that Itachi could not control the flames as in stopping it or else Sasuke wouldn't have been surprised of himself doing such a feat that he himself didn't think was possible.N

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    • BlazeRelease wrote:

      Well yeah the Sharingan's predictive ability and the copying ability will help alot for Sarada who's ability this far is shown to be more of her mother's.

      yea, Sharingan + Chakra strength is a very powerful combo. Sarada IMHO doesn't really need MS to be very strong.

      BlazeRelease wrote:

      Well I certainly would like the idea of Sarada being taught under the 6th Hokage. speaking of which has anyone noticed that Naruto is the 7th Hokage from Team 7. I mean is the number a coincidence or something?

      I'd love to see her learn from the previous Hokage to prepare for her dream, yes.

      BlazeRelease wrote:

      I don't think Itachi has that ability to stop it( but I could be wrong).

      Nope. 390 p9. Zetsu even says "he stopped Amaterasu to protect Sasuke's eyes. Besides, the Amaterasu cast on the forest was still burning.

      Sasuke was surprised because he wasn't expecting himself to be strong enough to stop the flames yet. He only just started using those abilities. Plus, the shutoff came from his Kagutsuchi, which also wasn't what he expected.

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    • Just gonna throw this in there. This is the page for Lunar Scribe: Kaikishoku.
      http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Lunar_Scribe%3A_Kaikishoku
      or Lunar Scribe: Kaikishoku

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    • I wonder what Sarada would do to about the Mangekyo's inescapable descent into blindess, she's already got glasses for Kami's sake.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: I wonder what Sarada would do to about the Mangekyo's inescapable descent into blindess, she's already got glasses for Kami's sake.

      She has cosmetic glasses, her eyesight is normal.

      Sasuke's original MS eyes ought to be around somewhere, so she can have EMS without needed what are actually Itachi's eyes.

      Actually i'm wondering, what would people want to see as Sarada's MS powers? A return of Tsukuyome? I personally liked Shin's telekinesis power. But i'd rather see Sarada learn to use FTG, which would be WAY too OP if combined with Mangekyou.

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    • Thekillman wrote: She has cosmetic glasses, her eyesight is normal.

      Sasuke's original MS eyes ought to be around somewhere, so she can have EMS without needed what are actually Itachi's eyes.

      Actually i'm wondering, what would people want to see as Sarada's MS powers? A return of Tsukuyome? I personally liked Shin's telekinesis power. But i'd rather see Sarada learn to use FTG, which would be WAY too OP if combined with Mangekyou.

      🤔 Sarada with FTG would be lit. I would honestly like Sarada with Tsukuyomi and LS: Kaikishoku as her Mangekyo Sharingan abilities. I can't really see Sarada spamming Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi among other things. I also would like to see Sarada wielding Daddy's Rinnegan. That would be even more lit. (Sarada with Tenshogan because of Daddy's Rinnegan)

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    • Tsukuyomi however was already a ridiculously powerful ability, and i don't see much feasible conflict in the series if she just stops every villain with such power. The series IMHO did it best when it relied on few but meaningful genjutsu.

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    • Thekillman wrote: She has cosmetic glasses, her eyesight is normal.

      Sasuke's original MS eyes ought to be around somewhere, so she can have EMS without needed what are actually Itachi's eyes.

      Actually i'm wondering, what would people want to see as Sarada's MS powers? A return of Tsukuyome? I personally liked Shin's telekinesis power. But i'd rather see Sarada learn to use FTG, which would be WAY too OP if combined with Mangekyou.

      Wonder what Obito actually did with Sasuke's eyes though? Oh well, I have confidence in Sarada seeing as she's the only Uchiha to date that awakened their sharingan through a positive emotion so I'm sure she'll herald in a generation of hopefully emotionally stable Uchiha with no more Madaras, Obitos or Sasukes to worry about.

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    • Well, it's not like she's been completely devoid of this Uchiha feature since she was quite close to the wrong path when she mistakenly found out that Karin is her "real" mother, only Naruto's talk no jutsu saved the day.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Well, it's not like she's been completely devoid of this Uchiha feature since she was quite close to the wrong path when she mistakenly found out that Karin is her "real" mother, only Naruto's talk no jutsu saved the day.

      I think anyone would be pretty emotionally unsettled and make rash life choices if you thought you had just found proof that you'd been lied to about the circumstances of your birth.

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    • That and the fact your father has been absent the vast majority of your life cause he's a turd.

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    • @Starscream. Well then that excuse would have worked for every other Uchiha's fall into Darkness, considering they had more of a bigger reason than Sarada's. Though this new generation I tell you, have the least awful life version of their parents well, maybe until Konoha get's destroyed again.

      And anyways, it isn't like she was treated bad or something like Naruto, even the least.

      Though her search for her mother seemed weird enough, like why didn't Sakura know about the glasses lol? I mean she never saw Sasuke wearing them and he was around with her for enough number of years to figure that out, it all seemed forced for her to be forgetful of that feature. And think, the whole plot of Gaiden could have ended with Sakura just simply saying yes or no lol.

      @Thekillman. Well I think Zetsu also mentioned that they were inexinguisheble. So....

      I think Zetsu was clearly pointing on Itachi stopping Amaterasu, as in to stop projecting it anymore. Which is reasonable as Zetsu knows that they only burn whatever the user had aimed at, nothing less but maybe more.

      Yeah I also think Kakashi being Sarada's Sensei would be awesome in so many ways like, it would give the justice for many Naruto and especially Sakura fans who wished Kakashi trained Sakura, well now atleast the daughter can be taught. It would be a little revival of Sasuke and Kakashi's Sensei and student relationship and as well give the usual Hokage's student being Hokage and so on.

      And while I don't think she'll need it but she could you know gain MS powers and such like healing ability of her mother's to the next level(taking her present personality). But all this could change considering The Village she swore to be Hokage was destroyed and thus a MS seemed to be incoming.

      @Anclader. It was revealed in the Naruto: Gaiden that her father was searching for a possible clue or info about the threat greater than Kaguya.

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    • I don't care that he was searching for a threat greater then Kaguya. At some point he could have stopped in to see his family. 12 years without seeing them is ridiculous considering how powerful he is and how fast he could get from point A to point B.

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    • @Anclader. Well for, 1. He didn't go for 12 years, he was with Sarada for maybe about 3 years, so he might have gone for 10 or 9 years for the maximum.

      2. Well yes he could stop by and have a nice brunch with his family while during a super super S rank mission. Yeah all the higher authority will see how loyal he is to his job.

      3. It was a SECRET mission.If he just stops by like that then people will be suspicious. His own daughter for one would ask what he's doing and even if he doesn't reply to it, Sarada would try to figure it out, thus putting alot in risk.

      4. Yes he could probably come and go, but he needs to finish this mission as fast as possible. If he comes, then he'll have to probably wait for his chakra to recharge again and that'll lose alot of time.

      5. There's no knowing when this 'greater threat than kaguya' comes, it could be whenever he expects the least. It could be when he spends alot of time with his family. There's no knowing.

      6. Sasuke is a Uchiha, he pratically loves his family more than you could think. Leaving his family would have been the last thing he wished to do. But he knows that this threat could harm everyone. He's basically trying to complete this search as soon as he could.

      7.He did come back. After he learned of his daughter being this much needed of his presence, he came more often, like in the Boruto movie, it seemed as if he is normally visiting.

      Now about Sarada achieving the MS. It's pratically in her blood now. But unless she get's Hashi cells in her, it's nothing to worry about.

      After gaining EMS she'll only use it at necessery times. Like her father(yes adult Sasuke barely used his EMS at his fights, even at against Momo he only used a non PS susanoo to help Naruto and mostly uses his sword and all).

      I think Sarada has alot of potentiel and I wish Kakashi becomes her sensei.

      And I don't think having EMS loses the pain, Sasuke shown that his eyes still bleed and that his eyes still have pain and needs to close his eyes but I think it gives a more higher pain endurance and eases up the chakra usage and most likely the cell damage of the susanoo and also possibly enhancing the MS jutsu's power.Other than that, I don't think EMS gives pain relief and the eyes still obviously pain, evidently shown in the Sasuke shinden arc and Vote2 battle Where Sasuke tried to use the tailed beasts power again but it started to cause more pain.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Well, it's not like she's been completely devoid of this Uchiha feature since she was quite close to the wrong path when she mistakenly found out that Karin is her "real" mother, only Naruto's talk no jutsu saved the day.

      Well, it doesn't hurt to talk to your kids and treat them like they're actually capable of making rational decisions. Poor people's skills is why the Narutoverse has been in a near perpetual state of war for more than a thousand years, because nobody stopped to ask.

      In this case, Naruto had The Talk with Sarada at the moment that it mattered, unlike with Sasuke who didn't get a lecture until it was already too late. The moment Sasuke talked about his ominous dreams of killing his brother, that should've been the moment for Kakashi's "all my friends are already dead" talk, not when Sasuke was relapsing heavily from meeting Itachi.

      BlazeRelease wrote: @Thekillman. Well I think Zetsu also mentioned that they were inexinguisheble. So....

      They burn what they were targeted to burn until the user stops it. Amaterasu doesn't seem precise enough that the user can exactly target how long it burns. E.g. The Raikage hit sasuke's flame-engulfed Susanoo and lost his arm. But Sasuke didn't explicitly target his arm. Similarly when Orochimaru is sealed a small snake is seen slipping away, which then gets some Amaterasu on him and promptly dies.

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    • Ancladar wrote: That and the fact your father has been absent the vast majority of your life cause he's a turd.

      I'll be pissed off if he leaves again in the Boruto Manga I mean FFS the threat Kaguya foretold has been dealt with so there's no reason besides 'atonement' for him to leave. If he wants to atone he can start by being a husband and father that's actually present in his family's life. I'm not saying he should stay in the village constantly but for someone who wants to revive his clan he should try showing a little bit more interest.

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    • And how exactly would that be atonement? Atonement is only valid when the user is going through bad experiences, not good ones (Itachi's life after killing the entire clan is the prime example of atonement). Spending time with his family would be a good thing, since Sasuke while he is reserved and such, he does care for them.

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    • I think both are required. His crimes warrant him dedicating his life to the village, but his clan requires him to restore it to power without the insanity. Not unlike how Naruto has to juggle being a dad with being Hokage.

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    • Well, in my opinion his threat for greater threat isn't over but since most chnaces are that Momo and Kinshi are indeed the threat then...

      Sasuke most likely will stay, considering he didn't leave Sarada for a couple of her childhood but only left for a reason that cannot be ignored for anyway possible.

      Most likely Sasuke started to spend more time with his daughter since she isn't at all in interest to hang out with him now, hey she even wants the opposote of him.

      But sadly now Boruto's CM is a risk, he has to figure out what it is and what it does. Well personally I wouldn't be angry at him because he actually didn't leave Itachi style.

      @Thekillman. Dude I never said the user can decide how long it should burn, it is specified that it burns for 7 days and 7 nights.

      What I said was, Zetsu was saying that Itachi stopped projecting anymore Amaterasu from his eyes after hitting Sasuke with it.

      Amaterasu after being projected(whatever the amount the user wishes for) doesn't grow, it just eats up it's way to the projected target but if something else touches it, it will catch it's flames but also wouldn't grow any bigger. Or else the snake we saw would have been engulfed in flames but only died with the flame eating up through it.

      What I'm trying to say is Amaterasu doesn't rely on any other fuel and so can stay the same way for 7days.and that might be the reason it doesnt spread, because it doesn't need to unlike normal flames.

      And so I think after Sasuke get's hitted by Amterasu, that part would be eaten up by the flames and that would cause his defeat, so Itachi stopped the using the flames since that much amount would be enough. that said, these are all my opinions and so I can be very well wrong here.

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