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  • which character do u wish that wouldn't have died, and trained to become much stronger than what we have previously seen?

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    • Again, Neji. As it was mentioned in the previous threads, such a potential of his calibre got wasted for no reason at all.

      Also, this goes for more characters who showed great abilities even in their the youth but died young and didn't have a chance to develop them more, I speak about the likes of Kimimaro or Haku. Or even Itachi and Shisui.

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    • I was always thinking of yahiko, and such. he could've been minato lvl easily. now that I think bout it, minato died as well, didn't he? think minato would be one of the wasted potential?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: I was always thinking of yahiko, and such. he could've been minato lvl easily. now that I think bout it, minato died as well, didn't he? think minato would be one of the wasted potential?

      Except it was the point of the characters that they died early. The themes surrounding them simply wouldn't be the same. Yahiko was ultimately immortalized as the face of Pain. Minato's early death and how he was unable to fulfill his true potential is i think referenced at least 3-4 times.

      In retrospect, Neji should've died in Part 1. I don't think the nature of the series would work very well for the Hyuga as they'd inevitably be measured against the Uchiha and anything they do would inevitably be either "too OP" or "useless compared to the Uchiha".

      Haku i'm not sure about. Cool ice powers that could've been extended significantly? sure. Deep character that deserves to be explored more? Nope.

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    • yeah, I remembered that thread that someone made a few days ago (bout minato), and it kinda stuck, so I thought of making a 'memorial for dead warriors' type-thread.

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    • Not sure about Yahiko, since we've barely seen anything related to his abilities. We only know about his Water Style affinity and possible kenjutsu skills, but nothing more. He really was a major authority for the initial Akatsuki group, but it doesn't necessary mean his authority was based on his superior power level.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: yeah, I remembered that thread that someone made a few days ago (bout minato), and it kinda stuck, so I thought of making a 'memorial for dead warriors' type-thread.

      Just to be sure: I love minato as a character and i do think it's a shame he didn't get to achieve his height in death. Giving him Kurama felt thematically rather weak, as it didn't really add to his character (and any power it gave him was already present in Naruto so it felt like a duplicate). And i do think it's a shame we never got to see that ultimate Minato form. But it would also have cheapened everything about him if he lived somehow.

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    • anybody here miss zabuza? I wish I he was still alive.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: anybody here miss zabuza? I wish I he was still alive.

      I don't know, i kinda liked his send-off.

      I think that the jinchuriki are probably the primary characters i'd like to have seen more off. There's basically an endless sea of potential stories, abilities and animal themes that could've been explored with them. IE the two tails seemed to work together with her jinchuriki. What's the story behind that? Son Goku was as friendly as we got with his jinchuriki. Feels like there's so much to explore there.

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    • true. what about the sound four? the edo kage, swordsman of the mist, or paku and gari. maybe asuma?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: true. what about the sound four? the edo kage, swordsman of the mist, or paku and gari. maybe asuma?

      Sound four: I think their usefulness was spent. I really like Kidomaru, so maybe i would like to see more of him. But i think the series and it's themes would need a very different direction to really pay it off. Go down the whole paid-for-murder route, the whole "a ninja's body is a great treaure" thing up to eleven. I've talked about Kidomaru's abilities plus stuff like Shikotsumyaku and byakugan and stuff. Well, i think to really pay off his character you'd need to make him a warrior with more physical powers.

      Edo Kage were fine. I think the whole Edo thing was a bit over the top. I mean, we had the whole "ninja body = treasure" thing, but apparently those treasures are poorly guarded.

      Swordsmen: I don't know. The Naruto series doesn't really do the whole Special Swordsmen thing (Unlike, say, One Piece where a swordsman can cut a boat in half despite the physical impossibility, and cut things with sheer will).

      Paku/Gari: Interesting abilities, uninteresting characters. To me it felt they were introduced as some "and this ability also exists" character.

      Asuma: Not without a change in themes. Him being the son of the Hokage is an interesting thing and his wind release was rare. He was also part of this strange order of Guardians (or whatever it was called). Definitely seems like a lot was going on there. Considering the rest of the series though, i struggle to come up with ideas to make it fit. So yea, not without a change in end-game themes.

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    • I see. would've been nice if blue bee didn't die

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: I see. would've been nice if blue bee didn't die

      I don't know, what makes you like Blue bee? I didn't think he was that interesting

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    • for one, only if he existed, we could see a lot of young bee, ay, and the 3rd raikage, as flashback. I like those 3 ninja a lot,

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    • You forgot about Third Kazekage? He had so much potential (iron sand manipulation, magnet release kkg, S̶h̶u̶k̶a̶k̶u̶ ̶j̶i̶n̶c̶h̶u̶r̶i̶k̶i̶, etc) and even hailed as the Strongest Kazekage in Suna's history before killed by Sasori. It's unfortunate that we've never seen him going all-out.

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    • he wanst a jinchu, btw

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    • Oh yeah i'm sorry, ignore that part.

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    • Minato - He could have perfected the rasengan ane become awwwweeesssommmmee!!!!

      P.S He already was P.S.S Was he Sannin Level

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    • Haku.

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    • Well IMHO Haku was probably at his prime state that is he might as well reached his limits other than getting more experience and knowledge. I mean Kakashi once said that he cannot even match Naruto's Chakra reserves even how much he trained, it was just genetically impossible. So I guess, taking that from what most characters who are dead they most probably wouldn't improved that much. I mean remember Orochimaru once said that sasuke still ahd alot of potentiel enough to surpass madara he said. this means that not everyone who dies young befode they get old has immense just because they showes quite a impressivve feat or something like that. That is why I don't think Hokage Minato could improve at all. I mean he would have too much reponsibility as Hokage since we already saw that he didn't pursue his training for the next step of Rasengan, that is adding a element or Mastering Sage Mode. this proves that if he didn't die young he would probably get rusty and his chakra reserves everything would be reduced. He would probably be like Hiruzen who himself could have been a ninja like Jiraya(old but youthful) but much more powerful. Even Neji was said to learn everything about his byakugan. and as we know it Neji has never showed anything other than his byakugan abilities so he might as well would not have that much better than he was before. And yes I know we can all agree that there can also be characters with alot of potentiel but just died before they reached it. But by that logic can't we all say that every character could have been like Gai and Lee who were able to achieve their power without any special clan ability or talent. they would just have to train for it hard enough.

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    • well, its not like orochi knew how strong madara was, in the first place, and second, right after the kage summit arc (literally, right after), sasuke was already blind. he would never reach madara lvl

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    • Sasuke was well on his way to become Madara level. His development kind of skyrocketed with the Rinnegan, but throughout the series he was still continuously improving with no indication of slowing down.

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    • He lost an arm which weakened him tho.

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    • Sasuke isn't on Madara's level, nor will he ever be. Hagoromo said that Madara was getting close to his mothers power. Kaguya was always more powerful than Hagoromo. If Madara was getting close to his mother, then Madara was closer to Hagoromo's level than anyone else in the series. Sasuke is far from Kaguya, meanwhile Madara was getting close to her level, as state by a character that has battled Kaguya at her worst and knows her power better than anyone.

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    • Agreed. Orochimaru is a known Sasuke fanboy. Don't get me wrong, Sasuke is actually one of my most favorite characters in the series, but lets be real... Sasuke lost an arm, there are no more older brothers to kill and villages to destroy and Naruto isn't being clingy anymore.

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    • Princeharris1993 wrote: Sasuke isn't on Madara's level, nor will he ever be. Hagoromo said that Madara was getting close to his mothers power.

      He said "my and my mother's power"

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: anybody here miss zabuza? I wish I he was still alive.

      I do, lots of potential for develloping his backstory, personality and abilities (almost more so than Haku in fact), but if he had lived it'd have been more of a hindrance than an actual benefit for the plot, (except for Choujuro who might've had some wisdom to gain from his senpai or providing Intel about the underworld). As a missing-nin he'd have been hunted like a mad animal and even if he had been imprisoned he naturally couldn't haver done much.

      another character offed before their time I think is Konan, I wish she had survived her battle with Obito, her providing Intel for the alliance would have been a really good start for her redemption instead of simply dying, which is basically the easy way out/traditional for manga characters (that whole seppuku thing).

      Haku would've been interesting too, but given his personality it'd be hard for him without Zabuza to tell him what to do, without him, he'd not do a single thing I'm afraid.

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    • @Elveonora. Yeah Sasuke did lose a arm but that doesn't actually slow him down. he most likely improved with one arm as see him using one handed seals and using his sword with just one arm. I know that one hand might seem to make him weak but he already seems to have conditioned his whole fighting moves with just one hand like Taijutsu and Kenjutsu. And Ninjutsu and Genjutsu where he also experts doesn't change a bit for him. And anyways it really isn't like he doesn't have a chance to get another Hashirama hand(With a insane boost of power and strength by it). And yes theres no older brothers to kill him or Naruto that annoys him to motivate him to get stronger but there's something more... Like now as the wish of his Brother he protects the village from the shadows and for that he will train I'm sure of that(we already seen how powrful he got in The Last). And then we learn that he discovers a new threat, a threat that he deems greater than kaguya, so I guess they might as well train for the threat I mean it was like 7 years right? Yeah and Sasuke favorite hobby other than walking and all is training. and he pretty much still tries to surpass Naruto but in a kore friendly than he used too.

      @PrinceHarris. You're talking about Madara who took all the tailed inside him to get stronger? Well if you didn't know the most latest version if madara was the one that got out of Kaguya who was not at all at the level he was. But if comparing Rinnegen Madara and Adult Sasuke. Well both had powerful chakra, while one was already said to have same chakra power as a teen than the one who was at his prime(at his first life that is) and the his chakra was getting more and more powerful. They both unlock MS. Don't know at which age Madara unlocked his. They both have EMS. and I'm sure Madara got his when he was much older. And taking from both of their MS ablities, that is, Sasuke with Amaterasu and it's controlling power. While Madara only showed the ability to identify a clone from it's orginal which is good but still. And now taking their last MS power which is Susanoo, Madara at his prime(I guess) had a Perfect susanoo, impressive feat but we should also note that he had many years to reach that level. Sasuke had already completed his Susanoo with a full body susanoo and can use his susanoo with his MS abilities to make it stronger and can mix Curse Mark senjutsu of another character to make it a Senjutsu susanoo. He then Evolved his susanoo into it's final stage and his had wings so it already seems to be stronger Madara's and not to mention he mixed it with other tailed beast chakra to make it stronger.

      they both have rinnegen but sasuke's had shown to be more powerful and unique with his. examples would be him using rinnegen genjutsu to make them all other his control at one glance(even Hags was impressed by it) then sealing them all into chibaku tensei. And there many mire exames that I don't think is necessary. this is my opinion of Sasuke having potentiel to surpass Madara(which he already did).

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    • @BlazeRelease
      Haku was capable of using single hand seals something sasuke could do only in adulthood despite having sharingan.
      He had excellent nature transformation learning 2 at his age and perfecting his KKG. And his chakra control was excellent given his use of chakra to enhance speed and attacking power. Give him a reasonable sword training(hidden mist sword ) and he would be kage level warrior at very tender age. Allow him to master various other nature transformation and jutsu and we have candidate capable of surpassing most Kekkei genkai users, the sanin and even mangekyou users without Susanoo. I think he would become a well balanced fighter.

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    • Well, chakra is made of physical and spiritual energies, right? So it's likely that missing body parts results in decreased chakra capacity. And it's true that Sasuke got some of the powers he shares with Madara at a younger age, but Madara seems to have the superior body and battle expertise.

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    • How do you make a discussion like this? I have tried but I never succeeded.

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    • what do u mean? u don't how to make one? go to the top of this thread, where it says forum, right on top of the name "dead characters", click on it, and u will get a few choices on how to make one.

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    • The obvious choice would be Neji, but I dunno. To be honest, he didn't seem much stronger in part 2 compared to part 1 despite achieving rank of Jonin, so would he got better during Blank Period if he survived the war? Maybe, maybe not, especially that during war Kaiten was the only technique that put him ahead of Hinata. The good measurement of what Hyuga are capable of would be Hiashi, but we didn't saw him fighting much either.

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    • @NamikazeNaruto. If you're going to add things that Haku never did then why don't you add him the eight gates as well? Yes Haku had good chakra control and he did it at a very young age I suppose? But that doesn't really mean he has potentiel of being kage level. I mean many characters who were obiviously stronger than him did not use one handed seals so that doesn't make him that great. Sasuke mastered Chidori and fireball techniques enough to not use hand seals. so there's that. Haku's speed was already being defeated by a one/two sharingan sasuke. if Haku didn't use his needles at naruto to make sasuke protect him he might as well lose the battle. He himself said that Sasuke was winning at that match and that he was losing his chakra.

      @Elveonora. yeah Madara is much older than him and has much more of a body than sasuke at that age.We still haven't seen much of adult sasuke.yet we seen sasuke going nicely against a sage mode and six paths enhanced rinnegen madara before even getting enhanced.I mean if you are comparing the body of the two yeah madara seems to have a better body. but that body thing doesn't really seems to have any sense in naruto. I mean it's mostly chakra in your body that judges your strength and if you are comaparing bodies sasuke's seems to be more akin to Kakashi's body like more agile and speedy than madara who seems to have a more of a warrior's body which is mostly for battling in a more taijutsu wise way(as he is also a master of taijutsu) And about the hand missing thing. well I don't really think each body parts have chakra I mean isn't it more likely chakra is sent to each body from the (I don't know for sure but) Heart or something in the middle part of the body? I mean they need to first knead chakra and then release to each part of the body. if I'm right then without a hand to power up he has an extra hand size chakra for him now. And we should also know the fact that he always has a hand waiting for him when he wants it(A Hashirama Hand that is). And then finally I would like to say that Madara lost his Ten tails and now if he ever gets revived(that is as a six paths enhanced rinnegen madara) or something he wouldn't be able to win against neither Sasuke nor Naruto.

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    • @BlazeRelease
      I don't remember Haku's speed being defeated by Sasuke. Mind quoting me the instance? Wait a sec didn't sasuke 'deduced' that Haku was slowing down because of prolonged chakra use. And wasn't it the 'plot' (aka Haku no wanting to kill the kids) That saved both? Especially Sasuke.
      Somehow you aren' t getting the OP saying if the character stayed alive and trained? And Haku's training could have become stronger with a Mist sword and further increase of nature transformation. His speed and accuracy are already a beast at such age.

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    • lol actually, haku was trying to kill them the whole time, since he said that sasuke kept dodging his killing blows so, yeah... when sasuke faced haku for the first time, sasuke had to use chakra to jump into the air, as a means to dodge haku's ice release, and when haku was throwing those needles at him, haku himself said that sasuke was only capable of avowing definite mortal wounds, but still got hit anyways.

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    • @NarutoNamikaze. yes I know what this thread said but I really it means mostly from the potentiel of the dead character. that is Haku stayed with Zabuza for so long still he never thought to learn kenjutsu(which you had implied to make at a kage level, so really why didn't he?) he learned accurately shooting needles instead. Zabuza already knew Haku was talented yet one of the famous swordsman of the of the mist did not think of teaching him that? Haku was clearly trying to kill. when he said he would take out all obstacles to help Zabuza reach his goal. and yes I know Haku was slowing down. what do you expect from a living ninja? he's not a edo you know? he has to have a limit just like any other living ninja. Haku was afraid that he will lose that battle and had to strike at naruto to make sasuke sacrifice himself to win. Even Zabuza admitted to be amazed that sasuke could hold himself against Haku and realised later Haku was fighting an Uchiha and that's why he could match him. and about the earlier single hand seal mark thing. Did you not notice the fact that sasuke only started using after he had no other options. like he just did it because he could not use basic two handed seals anymore. it was from more of a whim than what you are saying. And what do you mean even with sharingan? I mean all the other three main uchihas in the show never did too yet even though they were quite older than him at that age. and I think would like to bring the fact that he surpass even the hand seals thing. like he doesn't even use hand seals for chidori or fire techniques.

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    • @Blaze, missing arm, less cells, less physical energy, less chakra, simple math.

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    • Elveonora wrote: @Blaze, missing arm, less cells, less physical energy, less chakra, simple math.

      I don't think he has less chakra just because he's missing an arm. I'm pretty sure it will just allocate somewhere else

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    • do u get tired faster without a leg, just cuz there's less places for blood to flow through?

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