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  • The Curse mark that boruto has spreads along his body, the way we see it in chapter one, the way it looks on his arm is similair to the divine tree, feel free to look at it. That got me wondering what if the curse mark gives one the power of the divine tree? That would be absolutely insane, that would explain how Kawaki managed to destroy the village, because Naruto and Sasuke where probably older and more rusty, which gave Kawaki the upper hand, and then later on, Boruto's curse mark expands even further, making him a rival to Kawaki in strength and thet's how they fight. This is a speculation that came to mind, what do you guys think?

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    • first off, momo gave him that mark, and since momo gave it to him, boruto's powers will only grow to be as strong as momo's. simple. secondly, old and rusty didn't stop hiruzen from kicking orochimaru's ass, and he was way older than Naruto and sasuke are presumed to be, in the new manga, where kawaka and boruto fight. he isn't gonna be kaguya lvl, if that's what u are wondering. maybe juubito to might guy lvl, but not much higher.

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    • Only time will tell

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    • and boruto fanboys / kishimoto.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: and boruto fanboys / kishimoto.

      Kishimoto doesn't write the manga. He kickstarted it and supervises it, but he's not the one putting the words or drawings on paper.

      As to the curse mark: only time will tell. I think fans are too hung up on the whole Fourth War business and the "surpassing" thing. He's, what, 12? He's got decades to surpass his father yet everyone seems to think he'll be a god tomorrow.

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    • no lie.. but the manga writers are trying to actually make that happen (the boruto becoming god tomorrow thing). they are making him waaay to 'cool', for someone that is supposed to be on the saem lvl as Naruto in pts, whose only real death battle as against haku, and now they make boruto's first battle against some god lvl niggas. know what I mean?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: no lie.. but the manga writers are trying to actually make that happen (the boruto becoming god tomorrow thing). they are making him waaay to 'cool', for someone that is supposed to be on the same lvl as Naruto in pts, whose only real death battle as against haku, and now they make boruto's first battle against some god lvl niggas. know what I mean?

      Naruto's first fight as a worthless genin was when he fought an S-rank criminal. Boruto is smarter and better than Naruto at that age and so fights a more powerful opponent. However he didn't actually really fight Momoshiki: His jutsu mostly worked because it was something Momoshiki didn't expect, and he only defeated Momo because Naruto supercharged his jutsu. Compare that to Naruto actually outsmarting an S-rank criminal and i think Naruto did more outrageous things at that age.

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    • yes, of course, but its as if u made a team minato fight with obito without his sharingan, kakashi with his broken blade, the other chick, and minato before he became hokage vs nagato. minato would do most of the fighting, obito and kakashi might help, but the other chick will be like the boruto in this case. see what I mean now?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: yes, of course, but its as if u made a team minato fight with obito without his sharingan, kakashi with his broken blade, the other chick, and minato before he became hokage vs nagato. minato would do most of the fighting, obito and kakashi might help, but the other chick will be like the boruto in this case. see what I mean now?

      I know what you mean, i just don't agree. Boruto didn't do much fighting against Momoshiki. His jutsu was useful because of it's unique properties, not because it was strong. He defeated Momoshiki because Naruto boosted his jutsu.

      Naruto and Sasuke DID do most of the fighting.

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    • Naruto and sasuke didn't do most of the fighting. they won the fight. but the shitty scientist whose name I forgot, had to f it up.

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    • You know, it's possible that Kawaki has the same curse mark. Take a good close look at Kawaki's arm in the first chapter.

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    • dude, I thought that was obvious by now.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: Naruto and sasuke didn't do most of the fighting. they won the fight. but the shitty scientist whose name I forgot, had to f it up.

      To be fair, i think nobody actually told the guy that Momoshiki absorbed ninjutsu. After all, he was evacuated when the fighting started and probably didn't see most of the fight.

      Naruto and Sasuke nevertheless contributed heavily and Boruto's contribution pales to that. The Manga plays it a bit straighter, but in the movie Boruto doing his thing was mostly because the option was available and they might as well try.

      NatsuAndHaru wrote: You know, it's possible that Kawaki has the same curse mark. Take a good close look at Kawaki's arm in the first chapter.

      I thought that was obvious? I think it's fairly clear that he got it from the third otsutsuki.

      EDIT: I was thinking.... could it be that the curse mark simply grants Boruto the chakra edible jutsu? Of all the things i've been trying to think of, that makes the most sense. Momoshiki wanted to gather the chakra fruit again. Giving Boruto and Kawaki that power would mean that even if they both go and fight each other, they're almost certain to gather the necessary power.

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    • maybe that just makes his already existing jutsu, comparable to an otsutsuki's (cuz he was a hyuga, so aka, a descendant from the otsutsuki in a way). maybe the mark makes u closer to what ur strongest potential would be. he only activated his byaku after he activated the mark so...

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: maybe that just makes his already existing jutsu, comparable to an otsutsuki's (cuz he was a hyuga, so aka, a descendant from the otsutsuki in a way). maybe the mark makes u closer to what ur strongest potential would be. he only activated his byaku after he activated the mark so...

      My question is simple: What does momoshiki have to gain by this?

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    • @Thekillman. Well IMO, Momoshinki was interested by Boruto's fate/destiny that he saw. It probably was something big which would even reach to the likes of Momoshinki's clan. It could probably be something bad that he wants it tp happen or it could be something good that he would probably woudn't want to happen when he was alive but since he was literly dead or he might as well thought that he should do something good before he enters the spirit world. this could be explained that he gave the power to Boruto because he wants Boruto to reach that path. Or he could simply be using that.mark as a technique to return from the dead just lile orochimaru. Or it could just be a warrior's compliment since with help or not Boruto was the one who used that Rasengan to kill Momoshinki. He might have wanted to show some sportsman spirit and gave Boruto a part of his power as a reward. And about how he gave that power. Did anyone notice the way Momoshinki gave him that power(by a mark in his hand) was similar to the sage of six paths giving Sasuke and Naruto his power. And the sage and Momoshinki were from the same clan, both had rinnegen and both were spirits when they gave power to the main characters.

      It seems Boruto might exactly get his wish of walking Sasuke's path with that Curse Mark and all. Well I wonder what powers will that Curse Mark give him.

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    • lol maybe momo is doing some black zetsu shit. boruto is kinda like indra/obito and momo is kinda like black zetsu/madara.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: lol maybe momo is doing some black zetsu shit. boruto is kinda like indra/obito and momo is kinda like black zetsu/madara.

      Seems unlikely. BZ influenced people quite heavily, whereas Momoshiki made only a vague prediction.

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    • It doesn't look like a shinju at all? I remember some were saying that, but i don't see the similarities at all.

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    • You guys need to calm down. Most of Boruto's power will probably come from himself or his training. Plus who said the curse mark would give him power? Even if it does, it will take something in return. Kawaki also has this curse mark, so I'm guessing like Naruto and Sasuke, they both have powers that are related to each other.

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    • Also guys if you look at Kawaki's weapon it looks like a six paths rod, so?

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    • yea i am still not buying that kawaki defeated naruto or sasuke. its most likely the villaige being destroyed is just a genjutsu. it would make absolutely no sense that kawaki could even come close to killing naruto

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    • Well we didn't even have a single scene of Kawaki's power but he doesn't have the impression of power the other characters from naruto showed. He could very well be stronger. or he could use some kinds of a cheap trick or something like that? and why exactly is The village destroyed? was it some village destroying level justu that made naruto sacrifice himself to save the villagers or something like that. Naruto seemed tp be easily effected by poison. the only characters that were known to be immune from poison is sasuke,orochimaru and parhaps even Kabuto. Kawaki could be a ninja/clone made/enhanced by the guy who made the koto. it seemed to fit his rage against normal ninja ways the most. or it probably be his son. who knows?

      If my opinion isn't correct then I really don't know why anyone would go in a total rampage during the peace period?

      we don't even know if naruto's really dead it could be just a assumption by kawaki or that he was sent to the hospital? and why didn't boruto react to kawaki's threat, I mean if naruto was actually killed by Kawaki then shouldn't he go in total rage by his statement? it all seemed weird.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Well we didn't even have a single scene of Kawaki's power but he doesn't have the impression of power the other characters from naruto showed. He could very well be stronger. or he could use some kinds of a cheap trick or something like that?

      If he did defeat Naruto, my money is on a special kind of jutsu.

      I simply don't believe the Curse Mark gives straight up power, it makes no sense to me with the given information. The otsutsuki edible-creation jutsu makes more sense, also because it would explain how kawaki would even begin to defeat Naruto (absorbing a Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken and sending it back to Naruto would definitely explain stuff like why the village is in tatters).

      It fits with Momoshiki's vision (recreation of the fruit, a possible way to reincarnate in Boruto, continuation of the Otsutsuki way), unlike the straight power route.

      I do agree it's too early to tell, the next chapter may give us a few major answers regarding the direction this is going in.

      BlazeRelease wrote: we don't even know if naruto's really dead it could be just a assumption by kawaki or that he was sent to the hospital?

      It could also be a misunderstanding (He did say "send you to the same place". Which can mean "the afterlife" but it also could be literal). Considering we're dealing with a Trolling Creator, truly it could be anything

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    • what if Naruto is imprisoned? this would more sense than anything else.

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    • But where would Sasuke be during all of this ?

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    • maybe imprisoned a well. it would make sense if they got both of em.

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    • Shouldn't Sasuke be in range with boruto because he's the only other person who knows about his curse mark.

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    • NatsuAndHaru wrote: Shouldn't Sasuke be in range with boruto because he's the only other person who knows about his curse mark.

      I don't think Sasuke actually knows. I think he would be freaking out a whole lot more if he had actually seen Momoshiki. Rather, i think he simply noticed Boruto checking out the tree and apparently talking to himself.

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    • But in chapter 10 why was sasuke so concerned then

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    • I'm sorry but Kawaki beating the two shinobi capable of fighting people like Madara, Kaguya and Momoshiki on roughly equal terms together is not happening and Boruto doesn't look that old so Naruto and Sasuke haven't turned into old men suddenly plus the Hokage and a man who's travelled the shinobi world may get a little rusty but they could still waste Kawaki's smug ass.

      Although, if Kawaki has the same curse mark as Boruto that means he technically 'killed a God' however Boruto did so with assistance and I find it more likely Kawaki is working for this 'God' that gave him the curse mark. But on the off chance he did somehow beat Naruto I still think Naruto managed to survive judging by how non-plussed Boruto is when he talks about sending him where he sent the seventh (if I were Boruto I'd be a little more visibly pissed).

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    • yeah no lie. and just by judging how big their clash was (the one scene where they run at each other, and hit their swords), thy aren't even close to Naruto's and sasuke's bm/ems powers respectively (im basing this on the clash that Naruto and sasuke had, in the last vote battle, where both Naruto and sasuke ran at each other as well, but their clash, with just their forearms, was bigger than boruto's and kawaki's clash, in their strongest forms). see my point?

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    • I think at the most Naruto could be hospitalised but dead...get out of here, sure if they want to turn off the entire fanbase to this manga go ahead and kill a character some of us have grown up with for 700 chapters.

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    • NatsuAndHaru wrote: But in chapter 10 why was sasuke so concerned then

      The recent chapter shows that Sasuke did in fact know about the seal, so he probably did see Momoshiki.

      Starscream1998 wrote: I'm sorry but Kawaki beating the two shinobi capable of fighting people like Madara, Kaguya and Momoshiki on roughly equal terms together is not happening

      You do realize that jutsu exist that can still murder Naruto and Sasuke without them being able to do anything, right? Reaper Death Seal is invisible to anyone but the caster so unless you recognize the seals, you're being attacked by something you can't actually see.

      Starscream1998 wrote: find it more likely Kawaki is working for this 'God' that gave him the curse mark.

      We know nothing of Kawaki, but considering how the Otsutsuki worked, it's likely that they would like the Shinobi system destroyed. Concentrate the power in a few individuals, make them royalty and have them rule the world. That's the otsutsuki way apparently. It makes sense to me that Kawaki was approached by the Third Otsutsuki, gave him the seal to restore Otsutsuki order and culture and now Kawaki has some sort of special power that allows him to defeat even naruto and sasuke. For all we know, it was the jutsu Hashirama intended to give Sasuke.

      Starscream1998 wrote: I think at the most Naruto could be hospitalised but dead...get out of here, sure if they want to turn off the entire fanbase to this manga go ahead and kill a character some of us have grown up with for 700 chapters.

      It's not unheard of. But i'm very very skeptical due to the vague wording and the Anime and Manga both choosing the exact same words. I mean it's clearly a teaser, and it seems like a big un-reveal if it simply turned out Naruto died. Kinda takes away the suspense of any fight he's gonna have against kawaki.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      NatsuAndHaru wrote: But in chapter 10 why was sasuke so concerned then

      The recent chapter shows that Sasuke did in fact know about the seal, so he probably did see Momoshiki.

      Starscream1998 wrote: I'm sorry but Kawaki beating the two shinobi capable of fighting people like Madara, Kaguya and Momoshiki on roughly equal terms together is not happening

      You do realize that jutsu exist that can still murder Naruto and Sasuke without them being able to do anything, right? Reaper Death Seal is invisible to anyone but the caster so unless you recognize the seals, you're being attacked by something you can't actually see.

      Starscream1998 wrote: find it more likely Kawaki is working for this 'God' that gave him the curse mark.

      We know nothing of Kawaki, but considering how the Otsutsuki worked, it's likely that they would like the Shinobi system destroyed. Concentrate the power in a few individuals, make them royalty and have them rule the world. That's the otsutsuki way apparently. It makes sense to me that Kawaki was approached by the Third Otsutsuki, gave him the seal to restore Otsutsuki order and culture and now Kawaki has some sort of special power that allows him to defeat even naruto and sasuke. For all we know, it was the jutsu Hashirama intended to give Sasuke.

      Starscream1998 wrote: I think at the most Naruto could be hospitalised but dead...get out of here, sure if they want to turn off the entire fanbase to this manga go ahead and kill a character some of us have grown up with for 700 chapters.

      It's not unheard of. But i'm very very skeptical due to the vague wording and the Anime and Manga both choosing the exact same words. I mean it's clearly a teaser, and it seems like a big un-reveal if it simply turned out Naruto died. Kinda takes away the suspense of any fight he's gonna have against kawaki.

      Except Sasuke has seen how the Reaper death seal works and considering Naruto would be a pretty terrible Hokage if he didn't also know how the jutsu worked neither of them are gong to get killed by it so unless Kawaki has some utter BS asspull jutsu that can rival Perfect Susanoo or Bjuu mode I'm not convinced he could even beat Boruto let alone the strongest shinobi in the series.

      Kawaki is more likely to be working alongside the real major villain who I think would be the only one who could put Naruto in his grave not his stooge. Besides, let's talk facts here if they kill off Naruto how many fans do you think would be immediately turned off by this especially considering Naruto's name is still in the title of the Manga because it's his name that makes all the dosh when it comes to sales and that's just a fact.

      I guess Kawaki could have 'sent' Naruto into another dimension or some Kaguya crap like that and to be honest that's the only way I can envision him defeating Naruto although that would mean he's also planning on sending Boruto there due to the wording so I think he means death even if I'm not convinced he actually managed to kill Naruto because that's just total BS even if they set Kawaki up really well he either has to be OP to the point of being broken or be a master of plot no jutsu.

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    • he probably didnt kill them.

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    • How old is Kawaki tho. Cuz he sounds a lot older than Boruto. Also, Boruto's " Byakugan" looks kinda different in the manga. Does the Boruto series start before the Boruto movie. If so, we probably will get to see Naruto Gaiden as a connnon episode right?

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    • u put three 'n's in the word connon, which, i think, is supposed to be 'cannon'.... just saying.

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    • NatsuAndHaru wrote: How old is Kawaki tho. Cuz he sounds a lot older than Boruto.

      He seems a few years older than Boruto, not much though.

      NatsuAndHaru wrote: Does the Boruto series start before the Boruto movie. If so, we probably will get to see Naruto Gaiden as a canon episode right?

      The first episode already aired, and it's when he joins the Ninja Academy. So we'll probably see a bunch of new material, we'll probably see chapter 700, Gaiden, Mitsuki's oneshot and a bunch more eventually adapted into Anime. Given the timeframe though, i think it's clear that the Anime just gave the Manga a 2-3 year headstart. That would probably give the Anime ~5 years to catch up, and considering the average lifetime of a show, catch-up problems are gonna be a luxury problem by then.

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    • To phrase it in the manner of the reckless youth "Ma boi Naruto ain't gonna die at the hands of this scrub"

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    • not at all. I actually hope Naruto and sasuke make comebacks like goku and vegeta, and boruto and such characters became gohan and stuff like that.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: not at all. I actually hope Naruto and sasuke make comebacks like goku and vegeta, and boruto and such characters became gohan and stuff like that.

      I mean Kishi did say he wanted Sasuke and Boruto to be like Piccolo and Gohan so a comeback is not such a far fetched idea

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    • I know... thats why said it.

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    • So was Boruto given the curse mark after defeating a god?

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    • Uchiwaru wrote: So was Boruto given the curse mark after defeating a god?

      Technically he didn't defeat a god. Naruto, Sasuke and the Kage did. Boruto helped and through Sasuke's insight could help, and through Naruto's power was allowed to deal the killing blow.

      What Momoshiki's intentions are isn't clear, because at this point it may be as much to hinder Kawaki's plan as to help it unknowingly. Was it a gift, or a curse, or both?

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    • Maybe Kawaki was given the same curse mark after also defeating a god? What if that god was Naruto?

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    • Uchiwaru wrote: Maybe Kawaki was given the same curse mark after also defeating a god? What if that god was Naruto?

      No. I don't see why Naruto would give away his power like that. I also don't see how Kawaki could defeat Naruto without this mark.

      I think it's clear that Kawaki got his mark from a different otsutsuki. Probably not from defeating that otsutsuki. We know that Momoshiki and Kinshiki sought immortality, which clearly means they didn't have it. If that third otsutsuki referenced in the Anime but also by Kishimoto himself existed but was dying of old age, he could've passed on his dreams and power to Kawaki to fulfill their plans.

      I mean, i think it's pretty clear by now that the Third Otsutsuki exists and that he is connected to Kawaki. We have a known iceboxed storyline that matches the teases right now.

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    • I think I have an idea on what's up with Boruto's Mark and Byakugan.

      When Hagoromo bestowed Sasuke the Yin Power he asked him to stretch out his prominent arm. Sasuke raised his left arm and Hagoromo gave him the Yin Power, with a cresent symbol appearing on the palm of his left hand. This Yin Power seems to have stimulated the left side of his body and augmented an ability he already had, the Sharigan in his left eye, which evolved into a special Rinnegan. He later lost the Yin Power when he and Naruto sealed Kaguya, but the augmentation effect from the Yin Power on his Sharigan appears to be permanent.

      Boruto was given the mark on his right hand by Momoshiki, who, like Hagoromo I mentioned earlier, is also an Otsutsuki. I reckon Momoshiki bestowed some kind of power to Boruto, which we have yet to see, but like the Yin and Yang Power given to Sasuke and Naruto it augmented an ability Boruto already possessed. Well, he didn't awaken the Byakugan yet, but he has all the requirments to do so. That Byakugan-like thing that flickered on and off in his right eye after he got the mark is most likely a special Byakugan. Anyway, that's my guess on what's going on. Concerning Naruto's augmentation from the Yang Power given in his right hand, it evolved his Sage Jutsu into Six Paths Sage Jutsu and since the Sage Jutsu isn't attributed to any one side of the body, unlike the sharigan which works as two separate eyes that are stronger together, there was no dissymmetry.

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    • But, How did boruto get his byakugan like dojutsu? He already had it in the anime which is before the battle of Momoshinki. Speaking of which, what’s the reason of him not using it. Is he unaware of his power. We saw him use it in the anime but didn’t seem he needed to activate it or knew about it. He doesn’t pop any veins and also he seems like he’s casual like he never noticed he was using any powers and he was the only one who saw the dark chakra most likely but never knew. Also I deeply wonder what powers are used with Boruto’s new curse mark.

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    • I think he's just a late bloomer but he's got enough of his mother in him to awaken the Byakugan properly. As for the curse mark, I can see the power overwhelming him at some point in the story but I'm sure with the help of his allies and family he can reign its power in before the confrontation with Kawaki arrives.

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    • In my opinion I think the mind controlling villain is gonna mind control either Naruto or Sasuke. and make them fight each other, Maybe that would be a way to say that the villain killed but still didn't if you know what I mean.

      Well the curse mark, is what giving him that dark, edo like eyes just CM Sasuke had when he went CM.

      It's more likely to show similarity between his master and him.

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    • OHHHH YEAHHH I forgot, someone could be min controlling Naruto And/or Sasuke.

      I wonder how Boruto got it in the first place thooooo

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    • @Jawnaphino, Six Paths Yin and Yang Power markings given to Sasuke and Naruto respectivelly were only the keys to Six Paths — Chibaku Tensei seal, but nothing more, which is why they vanished when the jutsu was eventually put in action. They neither granted them any new abilities nor augmented the pre-existing ones, i.e. Naruto's/Sasuke's main powers, Six Paths Sage Mode and Rinnegan respectivelly, weren't even connected to those markings and got awakened independently due to Hagoromo bestowing his chakra to these two.

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    • Oh I was under the impression that the yin yang power given to Naruto and Sasuke is what initiated the evolution of their sage mode and dojutsu. I know that Naruto and Sasuke lost this Yin and Yang power when they cast the sealing jutsu. But they kept the augmented sage mode and rinnegan and also some other powers like Naruto's healing, which according to Naruto Answers (http://naruto.answers.wikia.com/wiki/Can_Naruto_still_heal_people), Naruto still possesses. So maybe when Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the Yin and Yang powers he also gave some Six Paths Chakra which is the reason for their other abilities?

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    • Jawnaphino wrote: So maybe when Hagoromo gave Naruto and Sasuke the Yin and Yang powers he also gave some Six Paths Chakra which is the reason for their other abilities?

      Actually, this is the very thing I tried to say. There's no need to guess if they received Hagoromo's chakra or not, since Hagoromo himself mentioned he did transfer his chakra to them, thus establishing it as a fact.

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    • Thanks for the clarification. I still don't fully understand Six Paths Chakra and the abilities associated with it. I suppose some of it is meant to be mysterious, being from a powerful sage in ages long past. I understand it a little better now though, lol.

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    • And well about Boruto not noticing his new dojutsu could be similar to Sasuke.

      I mean Sasuke awakened his Sharingan at the age of 7 actualky but forgot about it, even though it gives it's user's high clarity in perception and photographic memory.

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    • Jawnaphino wrote: Thanks for the clarification. I still don't fully understand Six Paths Chakra and the abilities associated with it. I suppose some of it is meant to be mysterious, being from a powerful sage in ages long past. I understand it a little better now though, lol.

      It's mostly because it was never really explained very well in the first place.

      BlazeRelease wrote: And well about Boruto not noticing his new dojutsu could be similar to Sasuke.

      I mean Sasuke awakened his Sharingan at the age of 7 actualky but forgot about it, even though it gives it's user's high clarity in perception and photographic memory.

      I think that Boruto simply isn't aware that that power is a dojutsu, since it's nothing like the existing dojutsu. He does rub his eye in the manga and then later holds the right side of his face, so he does sense some effect in his eye. I just think he believes it's some sensing ability and not an actual dojutsu.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: In my opinion I think the mind controlling villain is gonna mind control either Naruto or Sasuke. and make them fight each other.

      No thank you, Naruto vs Sasuke has had its time and has been done justice in both Manga and Anime, I want this new story to be refreshing not try and recreate perfection and fail.

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: No thank you, Naruto vs Sasuke has had its time and has been done justice in both Manga and Anime, I want this new story to be refreshing not try and recreate perfection and fail.

      Besides, both have had plenty of experience getting mind controlled. Would anything really work on them at this point?

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    • Thekillman wrote: Besides, both have had plenty of experience getting mind controlled. Would anything really work on them at this point?

      Not without it being an asspull it wouldn't.

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    • dude, isn't the existence of boruto's powers asspull?.... wait, no, my bad. kawaki's existence is asspull.

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    • Well I guess when making a sequel story to a Manga series created by the king of all asspulls one can only learn...at this point I find them entertaining as my rage has come full circle.

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    • lol... u get rage quits, from ur own rage quits hahahaha

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    • Starscream1998 wrote: Well I guess when making a sequel story to a Manga series created by the king of all asspulls one can only learn...at this point I find them entertaining as my rage has come full circle.

      You clearly have never seen any mystery-based series. I remember Lost being very popular, despite literally everything being made up on the spot with no plan whatsoever.

      Also, if you hate it so much, why bother?

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    • Did I say I hated Naruto? No, don't assume that just because I'm not going to glorify a story that suddenly I hate it. I LOVE Naruto but anybody who says there aren't a butt-load of plot holes, inconsistencies and all manner of problems like any good story then they're lying.

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    • Well Mind controlling either Naruto or Sasuke is the least Asspull-ish way for Kawaki to supposedly kill them.

      Take anyway you look, unless Kawaki's some clone of Naruto and Sasuke or even a fusion if Naruto and Sasuke there's no real point in him being stronger than then battlewise.

      I mean why would they hint upon the mind controlling villain, I'm not saying it could be him, but it also be that some other mind controlling villain took control of either of the duo and made them and after they got really tired. they would be attacked by Kawaki.

      I mean it's not Naruto and Sasuke are immune to mind controlling, it could just be of a higher level than thy ever experienced before or of like Shisui's Koto.

      Naruto and Sasuke battles are one of the most expected battles. And you can just look at how much debates have been done over two character that we did not see in full power of their present version. This seems to be the perfect way to make a fught out of them.

      And anyways Naruto and Sasuke will become emotionally unstable if one of their loved ones get hurt, that would be a way to tap into their minds and controll them whne they will be vulnerable, also considering Sasuke's Curse of Hatred if tapped into again by some major lost of a loved one would bring him back to MS Sasuke's personallity.

      I'm just saying, that I don't see any other way of Kawaki killing them for now.

      @Thekillman. yeah,Boruto probably felt something in his eyes but...still it's similar to Sasuke because even he didn't notice him awakening sharingan even though his sharingan has photographic memory and he was using it for a few minutes to attack Itachi.

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    • Besides, the theory about Naruto/Sasuke being mind-controlled and clashing against each other suddenly makes sense for me. I mean, look on the devastated view of Hidden Leave, it may be very well the result of their clash, since currently only Naruto and Sasuke possess such levels of the destructive power.

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    • Wait I'm confused, who clashed, do you mean Boruto. Besides Sasuke and Naruto, I wonder how the fight would go down, using the curse marks, like powers do they possess. Also, is it possible Sarada isn't in the village anymore, as if she left.

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    • I meant the clash of Naruto and Sasuke, i.e. that a battle between them could very well result in Konoha devastated to the extend we saw in Boruto manga/anime prologue (Kawaki vs Boruto), so it may be possible it really happened that way, with Kawaki mind-controlling these two and forcing to battle each other in Konoha as the battlefield.

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    • (Theory about Boruto's mark. Sorry for bad english, hope you guys understand) When Sasuke and Naruto received Hagoromo's power, they gained two seal marks. Sasuke had a Moon mark in the left hand and Naruto the sun mark in the right hand, and each one represented the sage power of Ashura and Indra. As I think, Naruto series walk to the direction of higher power development as the new generations come in, until they reach the Ootsusuki. We can see three major power sources: reincarnations, tailed beasts and the unknown but more powerful than Hagoromo's Ootsusuki power (that maybe have some other divisions, related to Kaguya's Castle). So I could think that we have Chakra distributed like this: 33% comes from both reincarnations, 33% from the tailed beasts, 33% from the Ootsukisuki and 1% from the divine tree or sealed dojutsus (I dunno, maybe Sasuke's rinnegan). The reincarnations and tailed beasts were already shown and dominated by Sasuke, Naruto, Killer b, ETC. Only Ootsukisuki power is left, and maybe it is with boruto. Boruto's mark looks like the marks that Sasuke and Naruto used to seal Kaguya. OMG man, this new anime is insane!

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: I meant the clash of Naruto and Sasuke, i.e. that a battle between them could very well result in Konoha devastated to the extend we saw in Boruto manga/anime prologue (Kawaki vs Boruto), so it may be possible it really happened that way, with Kawaki mind-controlling these two and forcing to battle each other in Konoha as the battlefield.

      I don't see Naruto or Sasuke getting mind-controlled as Sasuke's visual prowess would overcome any genjutsu and we've seen his resilience to seals when he overcame Danzo's not to mention that Naruto as a Jinchuriki is of course not going to be done in by a Genjutsu and considering the overwhelming nature of their chakras the likelihood of Kawaki controlling them is very small. It makes sense that Kawaki would want to take Naruto on alone rather than risk being double-teamed by both him and Sasuke which would not end well for our little shinobi hater.

      As for how he could defeat Naruto I do agree with the rest of you in that the power of his mark will probably contain a power that can cripple or at least handicap Naruto. But ultimately I think the only likely explanation for Naruto to lose is at the end of the day he's a soft hearted pacifist and Kawaki doesn't look much older than Boruto. I also feel that Kawaki may be the Dragon or Enforcer to a much more insidious Big Bad who may be the one to defeat Naruto with a finishing blow.

      As for Naruto dying...naaaah, still doesn't sit right by me. But I do think he will be at the door of death and may even go into a coma like Tsunade did. Either way I do think Naruto will not walk away from the battle dandy and fine but with injuries that will definitely keep him from his active duty as Hokage. As for Sasuke, I definitely feel he will have a fight with Kawaki or alternatively the real Big Bad but will fare no better at which point he leaves it to Boruto as I do seem to recollect Boruto having Sasuke's sword in his fight with Kawaki but alas that may just be a replica as Boruto does seem to be going through a Sasuke imitation phase.

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    • @Ravenlot 27. Yeah, That really does make sense. I mean the clash has to obiviously be from Naruto and Sasuke power level.

      Also considering that Boruto said that he didn't know how powerful Kawaki really is. Means that Kawaki couldn't have possibly done that damage(unless powerlevel has increased to a state where it's entirely believeble that a character can simply do it without showing it). and remember even when Kawaki said that he 'sended/killed' Naruto, Boruto did not expect even the little power show Kawaki showed so, taking that Boruto knows him and that he knows how powerful his father can be, so why wouldn't he expect Kawaki to be that powerful?

      I mean isn't the Manga/Anime hinting at us of a powerful mind controlling villain for a reason? I mean Kawaki doesn't even have to mind control them, I mean if this villain is a whole another person then it doesn't matter, Kawaki can simply enter Naruto and Sasuke's fight when they are tired from fighting(possibly when they realize their being mind controlled) and then kill them. He's already wants to destroy the shinobi world, so why not kill Naruto with a cheap trick?

      From what I take Kawaki isn't even that powerful from Boruto not expecting him to be powerful even when he supposedly killed one of the two strongest person in the shinobi world and possibly the other one too.

      Hmm it also seems like Kawaki coukd probably have his "destroy the shinobi world' afteraybe seeing Naruto fighting Sasuke. Possibly he coud just be someone who believed in the shinobi world and would be a big fan of Naruto but after seeing Naruto and Sasuke fighting and destroyong the world, he probably could be changed to his new ideals at that instant.

      Hey I'm also thinking that the mind controlling villain is the main one and Kawaki being just like the Nagato of Boruto or he could possibly be mind controlled too, why not? lol.

      @Starscream1998. While it's true that they both are like immune to genjutsu, but this technique seems to induce thoughts on people. It doesn't seem genjutsu of any kind other Shisui's Koto. And if I remember only Shisui and Itachi could do a genjutsu at a distance. So this is either some kind of high power genjutsu like shisui's (maybe it's Shisui himself,who knows?) or some kind of Yamanaka(I don't know if it's the correct spelling) clan technique which takes over minds of others.

      While it's true that taking on Naruto and Sasuke together would be stupid but why wouldn't he just barge in when they are almost tired from fighting? I mean he doesn't need to be a honourable shinobi if he want's to destroy the shinobi world.

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    • well, Naruto has kurama, so bye bye, 90 percent of most genjutsu, nad sauke can tell if a genjutsu is being cast, if any at all, so I don't think that genjutsu is the way... now, that yamanaka thingy seems plausible, but it would have to be SSSSUUUUPPPPEEEERRRR SSSTTTRRROOONNNGGG to even affect those two, plus kurama. and kawaki might've had help, so he might as well be weak AF. there are other possibilities, like Naruto being poisoned by something really monstrous (over time, cuz u cant just poison Naruto outta nowhere), maybe he trapped somewhere (not like a jail, but maybe a place where he's just stuck, and got weaker by the moment), and etc

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: @Ravenlot 27. Yeah, That really does make sense. I mean the clash has to obiviously be from Naruto and Sasuke power level.

      Yea no. If Naruto and Sasuke clash, Konoha would be a gargantuan smoking crater. Nagato himself already destroyed a significant portion of Konoha and the likes of Bee cleansed a square kilometer of forest. Naruto and Sasuke are well, well beyond that.

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    • lol im pretty sure if Naruto and sasuke ran at each other at full speed, while in full power, the moment that they touched each other, konoha wouldn't even be a thing anymore.

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    • I'm not saying that it's their power limit but their possibly the only one close to cause that damage level. They probably could just start with outside the village and thus fight till their battle reaches Konoha considering they'll be out of most of their chakra and it'll be more of taijutsu and Chidori and Rasengan attacks. it seems an appropriate way for their battle considering they both met at Konoha so they both will fight outside the village with alot of Taijutsu and less chakra taxing jutsus(since they are adults and more of in a powersaving phase) they'll probably just continue their battle till they reach Konoha.

      If you didn't get what I said above, then what I meant is Sasuke and Naruto probably started their battle at the valley but kept on fighting,attacking and dodging and then reaches to Konoha, where they almost will be out of most of their chakra. it's not something powerhouses like them couldn't do.

      Man, don't you think's there's a obivious reason on why Boruto said that he didn't expect kawaki to be at all that strong(the few minutes of power he showed which by far doesn't seem at all close to what you expect from.someone who can kill Naruto and cause that damage to the village) So it's either someone who can kill Naruto to only do such a little damage(since you mentioned) or someone other than Kawaki to do the damage.These are all my honest opinions.

      @Lorenzo. I'm not saying that's a genjutsu, but more of something that induces thoughts to the target. Or maybe just like Shisui's genjutsu. I already know about Sasuke and Naruto's immunity against genjutsu but this very well can be some kind of mind manipulation to controll a person through making him think that he's doing it himself.

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    • I wonder: how would a fight go btw Naruto and sasuke at their prime, while in base?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: I wonder: how would a fight go btw Naruto and sasuke at their prime, while in base?

      Probably mostly taijutsu like in the movie. With their speed and powerful resistances, they might as well not bother with jutsu. Naruto would tank or deflect any major attack with his own attacks, and Sasuke can either tank or absorb it via Susanoo/RInnegan.

      BlazeRelease wrote: I'm not saying that it's their power limit but their possibly the only one close to cause that damage level.

      This assumes that the village was damaged by a single person, whereas it's wholly possible that an army attacked. Also, i think Deidara possessed the power to devastate cities with his prepared attacks, so i'm not so sure about only Naruto and Sasuke possessing this destructive ability.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: While it's true that they both are like immune to genjutsu, but this technique seems to induce thoughts on people. It doesn't seem genjutsu of any kind other Shisui's Koto. And if I remember only Shisui and Itachi could do a genjutsu at a distance. So this is either some kind of high power genjutsu like shisui's (maybe it's Shisui himself,who knows?) or some kind of Yamanaka(I don't know if it's the correct spelling) clan technique which takes over minds of others.

      While it's true that taking on Naruto and Sasuke together would be stupid but why wouldn't he just barge in when they are almost tired from fighting? I mean he doesn't need to be a honourable shinobi if he want's to destroy the shinobi world.

      A bond tested through 700 chapters isn't going to be manipulated by some young punk like Kawaki, Sasuke would sooner chop off his remaining arm than allow himself to be manipulated ever again. I just don't think they'll rehash Naruto vs Sasuke like that.

      Boruto is way too chill when addressing the supposed killer of his father for me to buy that this character who has fought with Gods, immortals, prodigies and tailed beasts was killed by Kawaki.

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    • Well that actually depends on the writer. Anyways an army attacking Konoha isn't a bad idea but why exactly is Boruto and Kawaki left. and it really seems stupid that a army out of nowhere can destroy Konoha a village full of powerful clans and both it's Hokage and Protecter and two retired hokages, their very own skilled jonin ninjas and with all their allied forces(all the other villages).

      Well Diedaramist powerful explossive kills himself too and it also leaves no scraps behind like doesn't it form like a crater?

      While we know that mostly who used to live with the power to destroy in such a level can only do it in wide scale way as in nothing after it.

      While Naruto and Sasuke have insane power and stamina, they can just go on Chidori slash,Rasengan Clash,Shadow clone spam and full taijutsu all the way.

      It seems more of a ruined battlefieled in which the opponets fight each other only focusing on each other but due to their immense power it will also damage the area thus getting the masterpiece we see in Boruto.

      @Starscream1998. The whole point of being manipulated is for the victim not notice that he is being manipulated to do certain things. Sasuke's curse of hatred is something easily possible to tap into. and I don't think it's going to Sasuke who will be manipulated but Naruto. Since we'll all expect the person that manipulated and manipulated over and over again and not the guy with the powerful will. But it seems easy, if he can just tap into Kurama then Kurama can just control Naruto. and anyways I'm thinking this genjutsu is of a really high standards.I mena something like Shisui's Koto.

      I can be wrong but I also very well can be right. Well that actually depends on the writer. Anyways an army attacking Konoha isn't a bad idea but why exactly is Boruto and Kawaki left. and it really seems stupid that a army out of nowhere can destroy Konoha a village full of powerful clans and both it's Hokage and Protecter and two retired hokages, their very own skilled jonin ninjas and with all their allied forces(all the other villages).

      Well Diedaramist powerful explossive kills himself too and it also leaves no scraps behind like doesn't it form like a crater?

      While we know that mostly who used to live with the power to destroy in such a level can only do it in wide scale way as in nothing after it.

      While Naruto and Sasuke have insane power and stamina, they can just go on Chidori slash,Rasengan Clash,Shadow clone spam and full taijutsu all the way.

      It seems more of a ruined battlefieled in which the opponenets fight each other only focusing on each other but due to their immense power it will also damage the area thus getting the masterpiece we see in Boruto. I can be wrong but I also very well can be right.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: Well that actually depends on the writer. Anyways an army attacking Konoha isn't a bad idea but why exactly is Boruto and Kawaki left. and it really seems stupid that a army out of nowhere can destroy Konoha a village full of powerful clans and both it's Hokage and Protecter and two retired hokages, their very own skilled jonin ninjas and with all their allied forces(all the other villages).

      Use a surprise attack. It's how the Sand-Sound alliance nearly destroyed Konoha and it's how Nagato nearly destroyed konoha.

      Secondly, on their home turf Naruto and Sasuke are immensely limited in their power. Try lobbing a Bijudama in a populated area, he'll kill the entire village in the fallout. If Sasuke misses a Perfect Susanoo slash, he'll cut apart mountains. If either make any mistake or use any powerful attack, the village is dead.

      BlazeRelease wrote:

      why exactly is Boruto and Kawaki left.
      I can think of a number of reasons, the most notable is that we don't exactly know if they're the only two left. But we know next to nothing about what happened and judging from the timeline, it'll be a few years before we know. Keeping the fandom abuzz is probably why they did it in the first place, because this topic will never die. it's like those pointless Goku vs whoever debates, or Superman v Batman, or Star wars vs Star trek.
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    • Is it possible that boruto awakens his eyes whenever their dark chakra around!

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    • NatsuAndHaru wrote: Is it possible that boruto awakens his eyes whenever their dark chakra around!

      His eye seems to react to the dark chakra, yes.

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    • Naruto and Sasuke would still have alot of experience to use small basic things very effectively. Since now they can't just go about an duse susanoo slash or TBB at their opponents. and so they woupd learn to master or perfect their taijutsu and other jutsus like Sasuke's chidori was easily able to destroy a meteor.

      And anyways. Naruto has the ability to make a thousand clones while Sasuke shown even at the starting time of shippuden that he can easiky defeat a hundred soldiers without a scratch and without killing them. And that was him at the beginning.

      And both the times Konoha got attacked, their leader and protecter wasn't this crazily powerful. Sakura,Konohamaru,the rest of the konoha 11 got only stronger after it. and don't forget the Allied shinobi forces here.

      So you might be right about an army attacking konoha but for now we don't even know about any army threat other than a possible Otutsuki clan army attack to destroy Konoha.

      I'm just curious about the mind control mention. they don't just do it out of nowhere.

      So for now I think Sasuke and Naruto are possibly mind controlled into fighting each other.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: So you might be right about an army attacking konoha but for now we don't even know about any army threat other than a possible Otutsuki clan army attack to destroy Konoha.

      If Orochimaru's and Kabuto's experiments fall into the wrong hands, you'd have a cloned army of potentially Rinnegan-wielding godmode ninja.

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    • BlazeRelease wrote: The whole point of being manipulated is for the victim not notice that he is being manipulated to do certain things. Sasuke's curse of hatred is something easily possible to tap into. and I don't think it's going to Sasuke who will be manipulated but Naruto. Since we'll all expect the person that manipulated and manipulated over and over again and not the guy with the powerful will. But it seems easy, if he can just tap into Kurama then Kurama can just control Naruto. and anyways I'm thinking this genjutsu is of a really high standards.I mena something like Shisui's Koto.

      I can be wrong but I also very well can be right. Well that actually depends on the writer. Anyways an army attacking Konoha isn't a bad idea but why exactly is Boruto and Kawaki left. and it really seems stupid that a army out of nowhere can destroy Konoha a village full of powerful clans and both it's Hokage and Protecter and two retired hokages, their very own skilled jonin ninjas and with all their allied forces(all the other villages).

      Well Diedaramist powerful explossive kills himself too and it also leaves no scraps behind like doesn't it form like a crater?

      While we know that mostly who used to live with the power to destroy in such a level can only do it in wide scale way as in nothing after it.

      While Naruto and Sasuke have insane power and stamina, they can just go on Chidori slash,Rasengan Clash,Shadow clone spam and full taijutsu all the way.

      It seems more of a ruined battlefieled in which the opponenets fight each other only focusing on each other but due to their immense power it will also damage the area thus getting the masterpiece we see in Boruto. I can be wrong but I also very well can be right.

      And that's nice and all but I don't want to see a rehash of Naruto vs Sasuke. The Manga won't win any favours by milking the glory of it's predecessor, an occasional nod is nice but I want to see something more new and exciting than just another God tier fight between 2 characters we've had 700 chapters to explore.

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    • Boruto gets the curse by Defeating a god i. E momoshiki.. ..i Think naruto somehow gets god level powers and kawaki defeats him n Kawaki gets that curse mark too Just a Theory

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    • 168.235.194.70 wrote: Boruto gets the curse by Defeating a god i. E momoshiki.. ..i Think naruto somehow gets god level powers and kawaki defeats him n Kawaki gets that curse mark too Just a Theory

      He already has godlike power, and why on earth would naruto willingly give his power to a hostile kid? Besides, how would Kawaki even defeat Naruto without a seal? It makes no sense.

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    • Boritos met Natsu Dragneel, Natsu gave a little bit of his shakra and Burito herited of the mark curse like Natsu

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    • Sike

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    • @thekillman, if I may say, since sasuke has a student, why couldn't, or wouldn't, Naruto have one as well?

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: @thekillman, if I may say, since sasuke has a student, why couldn't, or wouldn't, Naruto have one as well?

      Why would Naruto grant his power to the kid that murders him? And wouldn't it fly directly in the face of Momoshiki's words of how he can't pass on his power?

      Also, isn't Konohameru Naruto's student?

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    • wanst jiraya gonna teach Naruto sm? tsunade and sakura? even madara and obito. and one thing that troubles me, is that people are saying that since boruto is sasuke's student, he's gonna be god. couldn't the same thing be said for konohamaru, since he was being trained by Naruto even after the war? and why do u think that momo knows anything? he lost because he thought he knew everything, for one. and there is this thing called a "lie". ever heard of it? it's very used nowadays. and why wouldn't Naruto be able to pass his power? see my point? and u say "Why would Naruto grant his power to the kid that murders him?". simple. I already stated the first possible option, which is lying. he could have fooled Naruto, but not kurama, so that part isn't very plausible. now the second thing: kawaki could've pulled an Anakin skywalker on Naruto, and became evil outta nowhere. makes sense?

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    • C`mon, there was no reason for Momoshiki to lie back then, he didn't have any hidden intentions. All what he wanted was to show his superiority to the "lowly beings", which includes mocking them verbally as well. And the act of his superiority was demonstrated by Momoshiki practically, by absorbing Kinshiki and getting his power for himself, and it was perfectly suitable to show it's something Boruto and Naruto would never be able to do.

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    • so u trust ur enemy, that u just killed by the way, just cuz he talked to u in a dream with a smile on his face? yeah, seems legit. and it seem like u don't understand a part of my last comment: why cant Naruto pass on his power? and how would momo know anything bout anybody? answer me those two question with real answers, and I will believe anything else u say.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: why cant Naruto pass on his power?

      SPSM is something only Naruto has. He can't just grant all his power to Boruto. Best case scenario is that he seals Kurama in him, which is still nothing like SPSM.

      Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: so u trust ur enemy, that u just killed by the way, just cuz he talked to u in a dream with a smile on his face? yeah, seems legit.

      What's he to gain by lying there?

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    • Well, he knew it the same way as he learned about Boruto's "future", which hasn't been explained yet, but it seems some kind of a Byakugan ability (since he activated it in both cases). And there can be a plenty of reasons why Naruto cannot pass his power to someone, starting from the fact that not every human is compatible with the tailed beast like Kurama, who is one of the cornerstones of Naruto's abilities, and ending with the simple logical conclusion that Naruto isn't Hagoromo and cannot grant his advanced powers like SPSM to someone else by merely wishing it. The best thing he can grant is Kurama's chakra and thus the chakra shroud, yet all we know that this chakra is pretty much expendable.

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    • why cant Naruto pass on his sp chakra? sakura, who didn't have a bijuu to teach her, passed her chakra to a lot of people, like every single medical ninja in the show. sp chakra is different, but it is still part of Naruto chakra. and one of naruto's abilities is passing on his chakra, along with different ones (as seen in the war, when he gave other people kurama's cloak, a lot of the sensor types could tell that it had naruto's chakra in there as well) to other people.

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    • As I already mentioned, it'll be only chakra, not the ability (like SPSM) itself. I.e., even while Naruto can transfer his chakra to someone by making it compatible with their own chakra, it's expendable and will fade away after being used up. He can't grant the ability like SPSM as a permanent one. Also, this chakra by other people still isn't going to be as powerful as the one by Naruto himself, since during FSWW Alliance shinobi were given only the boost of their pre-existing abilities thanks to the cloak, but not any of Kurama's specific abilities (like emotions sensing or TBB).

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    • oh, u see what's happening. we're interpreting the other's comments wrongly. Im saying that Naruto can pass his sp chakra on and teach boruto sm, while u are taking my comment as Naruto being able to pass on even his modes, along with their powers and chakras, and so..

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    • Well, it's almost the same all along, but as I already said, transfering chakra gives only a temporary boost which will last only a limited amount of time, until the said chakra expires. Also, even SM can't be taught to everyone, only to the people with extreme levels of chakra which Naruto has always had, unlike Boruto, whose chakra reserves seem to be on an average level (judging by the amount of shadow clones he can create).

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    • just one thing: boruto probably has, at least, 1.5 to 2 times kakashi's chakra (at the same age), so im gonna say its between "super above average" and "regular above average" imo

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    • I believe Boruto is strong because it is hinted that naruto is dead. If it is true than obviously, naruto would trust Boruto with Kurama. I believe that Boruto is Kuramas 4th Jinchriki. The curse mark gave him the chakra of momoshiki making him as strong as Kaguya. ALso Naruto had the chakra of Asura and Hagoromo Otsutsuki so Boruto also has the chakra of the sage of six paths and his sons so yes, Boruto might defeat kawaki rathers easily and i believe boruto is far stronger than kaguya otsutsuki. He might be as strong as naruto as even naruto did not know his true strength.

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    • Hamzawadood wrote: I believe Boruto is strong because it is hinted that naruto is dead. If it is true than obviously, naruto would trust Boruto with Kurama. I believe that Boruto is Kuramas 4th Jinchriki. The curse mark gave him the chakra of momoshiki making him as strong as Kaguya. ALso Naruto had the chakra of Asura and Hagoromo Otsutsuki so Boruto also has the chakra of the sage of six paths and his sons so yes, Boruto might defeat kawaki rathers easily and i believe boruto is far stronger than kaguya otsutsuki. He might be as strong as naruto as even naruto did not know his true strength.

      No reason to believe Boruto inherited either Asura's or Hagoromo's chakra because a) He's not Asura's reincarnate, unlike Naruto b) He hasn't been granted Hagoromo's chakra directly from him, unlike Naruto.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: No reason to believe Boruto inherited either Asura's or Hagoromo's chakra because a) He's not Asura's reincarnate, unlike Naruto b) He hasn't been granted Hagoromo's chakra directly from him, unlike Naruto.

      nevertheless the children of godlike entities gained godlike power for themselves, even if it wasn't fully. Even then, this was the combination of a regular human with a god-like entity. Considering that Naruto possessed Nine Biju, Hashi's cells, Ashura's chakra and Hagoromo's chakra and Hinata possesses Hamura's chakra, even a fraction of this power would be immense.

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    • Thekillman wrote: nevertheless the children of godlike entities gained godlike power for themselves, even if it wasn't fully. Even then, this was the combination of a regular human with a god-like entity. Considering that Naruto possessed Nine Biju, Hashi's cells, Ashura's chakra and Hagoromo's chakra and Hinata possesses Hamura's chakra, even a fraction of this power would be immense.

      No.....just no.

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    • my exact thoughts.

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    • @Lorenzo. why do you think Naruto will have the time to teach Kawaki?

      Hmm, I just like it if Boruto just is talented shinobi like his grandfather. He as a disciple of Sasuke can be awesomely strong. Considering the logic in Naruto mostly is that The stronger your sensei the stronger you get. But still Kakashi did teach Naruto RS and all.

      I wish Sasuke just overrides that CM with his own(I mean why not?) he went for journey for it. and it seems Boruto still has a CM against Kawaki so either Sasuke failed in his journey or he gained a way to teach Boruto to master it or placed his own CM in it or He still did not come back from his journey lol, considering when he's focused on a investigation he nevers comes back till he finishes it. (I actually wonder where he went).

      These CM seem alot like the seals Sage gave Naruto and Sasuke. Kawaki might as well absorb his CM from either Naruto or Sasuke. Who knows?

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    • Honestly I think by the end they are going to make boruto stronger than Naruto, and it is going to make some sense because we still do not know the effects of that curse mark.

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    • If chakra works similar to genetics and genetics in Naruto work anything like in real life, then Boruto has at most:

      • half of Naruto's chakras.

      That means that Boruto at most inherited from Naruto a quarter of Asura's chakra, half of Naruto's own chakra (with Naruto's own chakra having a little fragment of Kurama's own merged into it as well, hence whiskers)

      • half of Hinata's chakra

      I don't think that things like Hashirama's chakra or Hamura's chakra are inheritable, sorry folks. The reason is that they are not part of their genetics. Naruto has Hashirama's cells, not genes. Hinata might have Hamura's chakra, but not his genes. So why did I include Asura's chakra and Kurama's chakra you might ask. Well, Asura's chakra is a part of Naruto himself since the moment of conception I suppose? Same for Kurama's. So I believe those affected his DNA to an extent, while later power-ups did not, hence aren't part of his genetics, thus aren't inheritable, same for Hinata with Hamura's chakra.

      Still, Boruto has quite good ancestry regardless. But as said by Hagoromo himself, children are not guaranteed to inherit their parents' power. Because genetics are mostly random + mutations etc. Just like Boruto and Himawari not having alien eyes and in Boruto's case the Byakugan doujutsu in itself whatsoever. But he has his own doujutsu. So considering I don't think any of Hamura's very own chakra touched Boruto, his doujutsu is likely not to be the Tenseigan either, but a completely new thing, unique to him... a mutation of the Byakugan. My theory is that some Rinnegan genes present in fragment of Asura's chakra that Boruto inherited mixed with some Byakugan genes present in half of Hinata's chakra, thus Boruto's doujutsu is half Rinnegan-half Byakugan. Which is interesting, because Byakugan is the aliens' own power, while the Rinnegan has origins in the chakra fruit, being a half of Rinne Sharingan, while Boruto might be the first merging the two.

      If my theory will turn out true, fanon nerds will be happy and this will open up the possibility of even more doujutsu mergers in the canon, like Sharingan-Byakugan, Tenseigan-Rinnegan, Tenseigan-Sharingan.

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    • Elveonora wrote: If chakra works similar to genetics and genetics in Naruto work anything like in real life, then Boruto has at most:

      We've seen that Chakra can both be the power of the soul and the power of genetics.

      Elveonora wrote: I don't think that things like Hashirama's chakra or Hamura's chakra are inheritable, sorry folks.

      This is something the Manga's not very clear on. Hashirama's case is not very heavily expanded upon. We know his kids didn't get the Kekkei Genkai, but the same can be said for the Kazekage (ie Gaara doesn't have Magnet Release in the manga despite his forefathers having it). We also have stuff like Dust Release not being tied by family lines, same for Lava release. So the jury's not out on how Kekkei Genkai transfer works, but we know they can spontaneously appear and disappear.

      We've seen that Biju have an effect on children though, Naruto having whiskers pre-Kurama for example. Naruto was a pseudo-juubi-jin, so that power may have some influence on Boruto.

      Elveonora wrote:

      That means that Boruto at most inherited from Naruto a quarter of Asura's chakra, half of Naruto's own chakra

      Statistically the most likely, but not guaranteed. A child gets their parent's genes at random, half of each. It's entirely possible (yet extremely improbable) that Boruto gets all of Naruto's Uzumaki genes.

      Still, considering the complexity of the Kekkei Genkai distribution in the world, i think it's safe to say this is more complicated than simple Aa Bb genetics people got taught in school. For instance, many Uchiha have the genetics for a Mangekyou but these genes do not express until they experience loss. Similarly, Boruto's body may be home to a wealth of genes that are waiting for their trigger, or he may have a patchwork of DNA lacking crucial components that prevent him from going Rinne Tensei Byakusharingan mode - the same way Hagoromo lacked whatever made Sharingan + Rinnegan the Rinne Sharingan.

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    • Yup, my point. What do you think about Boruto's doujutsu being half Rinnegan-half Byakugan?

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    • Elveonora wrote: Yup, my point. What do you think about Boruto's doujutsu being half Rinnegan-half Byakugan?

      I don't know, it's too early to tell. The Tenseigan's abilities weren't elaborated upon a whole lot, for all we know the ability to see spirits is among them and Boruto's eye is something similar to a Mangekyou (but very different).

      I'm not sure what to think of eye mergers between the Byakugan and Sharingan. It makes sense in a way, yet Kaguya clearly had those powers split, so i'd imagine these powers are incompatible.

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    • Well, I don't know if the series is gonna go with such a complicated theory(I mean isn't it a bit of a stretch). It just seems that Boruto got the eye due to his destiny.

      Like what Jiraya and other people thought of the Rinnegen on Nagato.

      They thought that it was more on destiny and stuff not genetics. While Kakashi did think of it as a mutation.

      It still brings alot of things, Like Boruto could be having that eye as destiny.

      Maybe Sasuke's and Naruto's destinies were just a part. And it was Boruto's all along. Maybe their destiny wasn't completed. Maybe there's some kind of a supreme villain, villainous even among the villainous tribes of Momo. I don't think Momo would be interested by just some humanly destiny, where Boruto fights against Kawaki. I think it's much more complicated. Something beyond Earth, that reaches dimensions, due to Momo's interest and all.

      So basicay this eye, being the son of the child of prophecy and being the student of the child of prophecy.

      Huh, maybe they'll bring up Hamura's son. lol.

      I mean why not? considering he will be Ashura and Indra's cousin and might not have wanted to join in their fights. and maybe this time, by what I hope, is Boruto being some reincarnation of a evil person or having a prophecy to be evil(taking Momo's interest) and thus finally changing his destiny and choosing his own path, just like how he wishes to be like Sasuke(since Sasuke also had those two factors and got changed).

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    • It's most likely Hamura's eye since he's the reaper death god and it allows him to see spirits also. This makese sense because Boruto has both sides of Hamura in him, Body and Eyes like the Senju and Uchiha are Hagoromo

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    • Nibbler3100 wrote: It's most likely Hamura's eye since he's the reaper death god and it allows him to see spirits also. This makese sense because Boruto has both sides of Hamura in him, Body and Eyes like the Senju and Uchiha are Hagoromo

      There's compltelely no evidence that Hamura = reaper death god, in fact, all the info in the series has suggested that the Shinigami has nothing no do with either him or anyone else from Ootsutsuki. Also, Boruto doesn't have "both sides of Hamura", since he's half Uzumaki, and they come from Asura Ootsutsuki and by extention from his father Hagoromo who is Hamura's brother. To have "both halves of Hamura", Boruto had have to be born between Hinata (a Hyuga, one branch of Hamura's descendants) and an Ootsutsuki from the Moon (who are another branch of descendants), Toneri, for example. However, his father is Naruto whose roots lie in Hagoromo's bloodline, not Hamura's.

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    • Not to mention both Hyuga and Moon People were 'eyes' of Hamura, both having Byakugan. There's no confirmed 'body' clan descended from Hamura, but my guess would be Kaguya Clan. If Kaguya Clan indeed descended from Hamura, then a Hamura eyes+body merger would be an individual that has one Kaguya Clan parent and one Hyuga Clan or Moon People parent. Sadly, that's no longer even possible, since Kaguya Clan is extinct and Toneri is the last moon person. So unless someone clones Kimimaro and said Kimimaro clone breeds with a Hyuga female, we won't be getting an individual with both branches of Hamura's power, ever.

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    • Well I was only mentioning Boruto to have the Doujutsu because he was either given by destiny(just like Jiraya believed Nagato got the Rinnegen by) or him being some Hamura or Hamura's son reincarnation.

      And I think the villain that's controlled or possesed poeple is the dark spirit thing. Considering this dark creature to be canon and Boruto having this eye to see it. Maybe this is the creature that possesed the Kote guy? maybe after Naruto told him that it won't be allowed to be in the chunnin exams?

      I think this whole dark spirit story would be shown as a flashback or something, to show how Boruto first awakened his eyes and saw this creature making problems in the village. and then after the creature suddenly stops it's possesing for a while(like 4 or five years) and so Boruto just forgets about it? considering no one believed him and the fact that he seems to start to doubt about it too. Maybe the anime wanted to take this chance, and already focused most of the children's childhood with this, so they could have a better canon wise academy story?

      Taking that Shikamaru and Naruto wanted to search for this matter too and the kote guy's story about being possesed seems to be the same as this creature's? (or maybe they just want to make us believe it that this was the one causing that?).

      @Elveonara. I agree from your post about Boruto's eye in the episode discussion. it seems that the doujutsu could be given by Oro. As a experiment to make another rinnegen or sharingan?

      I guess when they want something weird but also cool to happen, they'll plan to use Oro as much as possible, due to his scientist-ish yet ninja-ish character lol.

      From that I think if this dark creature is canon then it'll try to posses either Sasuke or Naruto thus making them fight each other as I explaind.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Not to mention both Hyuga and Moon People were 'eyes' of Hamura, both having Byakugan. There's no confirmed 'body' clan descended from Hamura, but my guess would be Kaguya Clan. If Kaguya Clan indeed descended from Hamura, then a Hamura eyes+body merger would be an individual that has one Kaguya Clan parent and one Hyuga Clan or Moon People parent. Sadly, that's no longer even possible, since Kaguya Clan is extinct and Toneri is the last moon person. So unless someone clones Kimimaro and said Kimimaro clone breeds with a Hyuga female, we won't be getting an individual with both branches of Hamura's power, ever.

      People were often speculating in the past that Hamura >> Uzumaki & Hyuuga the way Rikudou >> Senju & Uchiha. That's probably where this notion comes from, although I haven't heard it since the original ended and Hamura's lunar retirement was revealed. Odd that some people still consider it head canon.

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    • yeah but the thing is: the uzumaki have almost NOTHING to do with hamura, besides for the fact that he is related to hago.

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    • The Uzumaki are closest to Senju. The Kaguya Clan hasn't been mentioned to be related to Senju, Uzumaki or Hagoromo for the matter, so Hamura makes sense.

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    • Elveonora wrote: The Uzumaki are closest to Senju. The Kaguya Clan hasn't been mentioned to be related to Senju, Uzumaki or Hagoromo for the matter, so Hamura makes sense.

      Exactly. We know about Hagoromo's descendants and have a rough idea of Hagoromo's powers. he just doesn't seem to have Shikotsumyaku. Hamura we know little about, so it's easily possible he had 3 kids, one for each clan (Moon otsutsuki, Hyuga, Kaguya).

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    • Or just 2 like Hagoromo and both Moon People and Hyuga descend from him/her, Hyuga just stayed on Earth.

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    • maybe even one. if this one kid had multiple one's, then its still possible for it to divide between kaguya, moon, and hyuga clans

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    • Yeah, but 2 children seems to be a theme.

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    • Elveonora wrote: The Uzumaki are closest to Senju. The Kaguya Clan hasn't been mentioned to be related to Senju, Uzumaki or Hagoromo for the matter, so Hamura makes sense.

      True. However, Kaguya did display the kekkei genkai of the clan that bears her name. She's apparently the originator of their jutsu, which puts Shikotsumyaku in the same company as Sharingan, Byakugan. That's strong evidence that they're related to her.
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    • I don't think anyone disputes that they're not related. But the question is whether they're related to Hagoromo or Hamura.

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    • WTF?!? You can be descended from somebody's Mama, but not her only two children without any other known relatives on Earth?!

      Oh, snap! Black Zetsu was out wenching and wining throughout the centuries. Kaguya clan went Black and never went back!

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    • CyberianGinseng wrote: WTF?!? You can be descended from somebody's Mama, but not her only two children without any other known relatives on Earth?!

      The double negative was a typo. Which is clear from my second sentence "the question is whether they are related to Hagoromo or Hamura". No need to be sassy when you could've thought for a few seconds and come to the conclusion that something was wrong. After all, my second statement makes no sense in relation to the first.

      Though yes, it's crossed my mind that Zetsu may have created the Kaguya clan. He IS her third child after all. Just sealing a portion of his power in a regular human would, under the rules of Jinchuriki and Edo Tensei, grant that power to the Host (A soul can grant it's host access to Kekkei Genkai). Under the "adaption/marking" rule (Nagato, despite having transplants, was revived with Rinnegan as if they were his own), that power would eventually become theirs, hence starting a new clan with the power Zetsu gave them.

      To be clear, I do think the Hamura descendant theory is the far more likely path. It's simpler and neater and under Occam's razor, better.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      CyberianGinseng wrote: WTF?!? You can be descended from somebody's Mama, but not her only two children without any other known relatives on Earth?!

      The double negative was a typo. Which is clear from my second sentence "the question is whether they are related to Hagoromo or Hamura". No need to be sassy when you could've thought for a few seconds and come to the conclusion that something was wrong. After all, my second statement makes no sense in relation to the first.

      Though yes, it's crossed my mind that Zetsu may have created the Kaguya clan. He IS her third child after all. Just sealing a portion of his power in a regular human would, under the rules of Jinchuriki and Edo Tensei, grant that power to the Host (A soul can grant it's host access to Kekkei Genkai). Under the "adaption/marking" rule (Nagato, despite having transplants, was revived with Rinnegan as if they were his own), that power would eventually become theirs, hence starting a new clan with the power Zetsu gave them.

      To be clear, I do think the Hamura descendant theory is the far more likely path. It's simpler and neater and under Occam's razor, better.

      lol. I wasn't trying to be sassy. I was just joking. No offense.

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    • No problem. You gave me an image of Black Zetsu as The Witcher. I'm still laughing, so i guess we're even.

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