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  • Obito and Itachi before they annihilate the Uchiha. Hiruzen is young. Shisui cannot use Koto Amatsukami.

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    • If Shisui and Itachi can use Susanoo, then I think the Uchihas would win. Also, Itachi is pretty powerful, even if he can't use Susanoo.

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    • Prime Danzo and Prime Hiruzen annihilate the Uchiha.

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    • Yeah this fight is unbalanced for one. Nontheless the uchiha win, too much hax going on- itachi's tactics with genjutsu and totsuka blade, shisui also supporting with auxilary genjutsu, and obito uses kamui to disappear and reappear to deliver lethal attacks. With the 3-2 ratio, there is nothing Danzo and Hiruzen can do. Hiruzen while skilled is a fairly linear fighter and Danzo's izanagi won't come as a surprise to any of the uchiha here. It would just make the fight longer.

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    • Though this fight is unbalanced, have to point out that only part 2 Itachi is confirmed to have TB+YM+Susanoo. So he not using those here. Prime Hiruzen > Prime Itachi. Danzo won't fall for any of the Uchiha genjutsu, neither will Hiruzen. Both are knowledgeable on the Uchiha and their abilities. Countering Shisui's speed will be the main issue.

      Also, is this Danzo with Shisui's eye? Then Danzo can control Obito to warp Shisui away and kill himself, while Hiruzen schools Itachi.

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: Though this fight is unbalanced, have to point out that only part 2 Itachi is confirmed to have TB+YM+Susanoo. So he not using those here. Prime Hiruzen > Prime Itachi. Danzo won't fall for any of the Uchiha genjutsu, neither will Hiruzen. Both are knowledgeable on the Uchiha and their abilities. Countering Shisui's speed will be the main issue.

      Also, is this Danzo with Shisui's eye? Then Danzo can control Obito to warp Shisui away and kill himself, while Hiruzen schools Itachi.

      You have a point there and I do agree with you.

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    • I think Itachi and Shisui would win.

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    • They messed up this arguement when they said Shisui an Danzo at his prime because Danzo at his prime does not have the arms of sharingan because before the downfall neither has Shisui eyes so even with knowledge an skill there’s no counter measures .so I’m for uchiha.im not doubting there skills but it would’ve been a better argument if u said fugaku was on their team

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    • I think the Uchiha will win. Even if we put this "before the Uchiha downfall" as a "before Shisui's death" (se Itachi shouldn't have the Mangekyo), we have Obito (Kamui + Wood Release) Shisui and Itachi (a genius ninja even without the Mangekyo) against the so-called strongest Hokage and good but overestimated (imho) ninja - even with Wood Release and Izanagi (I don't remember when he got these). As much as powerful Hiruzen can be, I think that the three Uchiha would overpower he and Danzo

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    • This is clearly 3 on 2, I doubt Danzo would even keep up with these guys. Danzo's prime came much later(ironically his strongest is at his old age). I think so Uchiha would probably take it.

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    • why 2 against 3? That's already unbalance .

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    • Prime Hiruzen? Very unbalanced. Prime Hiruzen would rekt everyone. Hiruzen at his prime was considered the God of Shinobi.Everyone here who thinks that Uchiha can win are retards and Uchiha lovers. I am an Uchiha lover as well but I don’t overestimate them. Just to note out,everyone overestimates Danzo and underestimates Hiruzen. Danzo would be no help here at all. Prime Hiruzen and Prime Danzo takes this.

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    • Naruto10647 wrote: Prime Hiruzen? Very unbalanced. Prime Hiruzen would rekt everyone. Hiruzen at his prime was considered the God of Shinobi.Everyone here who thinks that Uchiha can win are retards and Uchiha lovers. I am an Uchiha lover as well but I don’t overestimate them. Just to note out,everyone overestimates Danzo and underestimates Hiruzen. Danzo would be no help here at all. Prime Hiruzen and Prime Danzo takes this.

      Well... I kinda hate the Uchihas, so this would make me a retard I guess.

      That said... are you sure it's not you who overestimates Hiruzen? I mean, we did not know how much powerful he was in his prime, but as much strong as he is - just as we don't know how strong Shisui was - and he has to fight three top-class ninja - and as both you and I said, Danzo would be of no help here.

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    • Gilgamesh85 wrote:

      Naruto10647 wrote: Prime Hiruzen? Very unbalanced. Prime Hiruzen would rekt everyone. Hiruzen at his prime was considered the God of Shinobi.Everyone here who thinks that Uchiha can win are retards and Uchiha lovers. I am an Uchiha lover as well but I don’t overestimate them. Just to note out,everyone overestimates Danzo and underestimates Hiruzen. Danzo would be no help here at all. Prime Hiruzen and Prime Danzo takes this.


      Well... I kinda hate the Uchihas, so this would make me a retard I guess.

      That said... are you sure it's not you who overestimates Hiruzen? I mean, we did not know how much powerful he was in his prime, but as much strong as he is - just as we don't know how strong Shisui was - and he has to fight three top-class ninja - and as both you and I said, Danzo would be of no help here.

      I’m not overestimating Hiruzen. It is called FACTS

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    • Naruto10647 wrote: I’m not overestimating Hiruzen. It is called FACTS

      Fact... from where? Because they said he was strong? I don't call that "fact", I call that "rumors"

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    • Gilgamesh85 wrote:

      Naruto10647 wrote: I’m not overestimating Hiruzen. It is called FACTS

      Fact... from where? Because they said he was strong? I don't call that "fact", I call that "rumors"

      It is not rumors. Prime Hiruzen is considered to be the God of Shinobi. That is a FACT

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    • Bsmooth0007 wrote: They messed up this arguement when they said Shisui an Danzo at his prime because Danzo at his prime does not have the arms of sharingan because before the downfall neither has Shisui eyes so even with knowledge an skill there’s no counter measures .so I’m for uchiha.im not doubting there skills but it would’ve been a better argument if u said fugaku was on their team

      Prime state = Where a character is at their strongest state, so Danzo with the Sharingan arm and Shisui's eye can be considered his prime state.

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    • Uhhh. Prime Hiruzen? Hiruzen is stated to have mastered every type of Shinobi Combat and know every jutsu in Konohagkure (4th Databook and Naruto Chapter 120). Hiruzen at around 70 years old defeated the first Hokage, second Hokage, and Orochimaru (Granted they weren't at full strength but still S Class level at least). It was stated he was greatly weakened compared to his prime in all categories (Strength, Speed, Chakra, etc) and still beat them and wasn't even able to form two Shadow Clones without it being a risk to his health! Even Orochimaru said, if he was just around 60, Orochimaru would of died. 60! That is amazing!

      But this isn't even old Hiruzen. This is his prime! He knows how to use even the Hiden techniques! In theory, he can literally go full on giant Akimichi mode and use his giant Shadow to instantly trap all his enemies with Shadow Possession! Even the Flying Raijin is at his disposal since it is apart of Konohagakure's jutsu! The possibilities are literally endless for his prime. He also has immense reserves and is no longer restricted to what he can do. The mere thought of his abilities is kind of frightening, it's no wonder why it was stated he was "God of Shinobi", "the best out of ALL Hokage", and "the strongest Kage of his time" (at 70 with the 4th Raikage, Yagura a perfect Jinchuriki, Gaara's pops with his Gold Dust that beat the Shukaku a few times, and the Onoki the Particle Style user that was able to stop a meteor!). Though he doesn't possess any feats in his prime, the statements alone make him unstoppable. I don't think the Uchiha stand a chance against him alone, let alone Danzo with his Shisui eye and Sharingan covered arm.

      Don't get me wrong. I usually hype up the Uchiha cause I'm a firm believer they are one of the most op clans I've seen (Don't even know how the Senju survived against these emos), but in this case, I don't think they can pull it off. Obito is the only one I picture surviving the onslaught with his Kamui. But who knows, Hiruzen might even pull a Minato (minus the Rasengan). I don't know man. In the Databook and Manga, it's said he can use anything, I just can't see anyone stopping this beast.

      I also want to state that Hiruzen during the 4th war arc was not his prime. He was reanimated at the level of his death. Only Madara was closes to his Prime. I don't even know if Hashirama was in his prime when reanimated. But Hiruzen was definitely not considering he still had his old withered dying body.

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    • Naruto10647 wrote: It is not rumors. Prime Hiruzen is considered to be the God of Shinobi. That is a FACT

      That's why I call them "rumors". He is SAID to be the God of Shinobi, but we never got to see him in is prime. A "fact" is something whose truth can be checked, and here the only "fact" is that Hiruzen was "considered" the God of Shinobi: we can't measure his actual strength. He was also said to be the strongest Hokage ever, but honestly after seeing Hashirama I seriously doubt it, just as much as I doubt he really learned "every jutsu in Konoha" - given the character, I doubt he will accept to learn the Hiden of the clans, even if the clan head himself should offer him to teach them.

      Don't get me wrong, I don't think Hiruzen is weak, but still even in his prime he is up agains Itachi (that was a kage-level ninja), Obito (a man who awakened the Mangekyou in only two "steps", that was beast with it the moment after awakening and who can use Wood Release to a certain extent) and Shisui (who was rumored to be not only on of the most talented among the Uchihas, but also the strongest Uchiha of his time)... so again, Hiruzen is up against three incredibly powerful ninja, at least two of them even in possess of the Mangekyou Sharingan (it depends on how much prior the Uchiha downfall we consider them), and his only aid is an incredibly overestimated character.

      Also, we aren't even considering the possibility that Shisui could use the Kotoamatsukami on Hiruzen himself - and we saw how much OP is that jutsu

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    • Doesn't Danzo also have Koto?

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    • Ninja Of War wrote: Doesn't Danzo also have Koto?

      It depends on when we consider him at his "prime". In all honesty, I considered both him and Hiruzen to be in their youth, so Danzo wouldn't have Kotoamatsukami, nor Izanagi... but yeah, maybe he should be considered "in his prime" after the Uchiha downfall

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    • Gilgamesh85 wrote:

      It depends on when we consider him at his "prime". In all honesty, I considered both him and Hiruzen to be in their youth, so Danzo wouldn't have Kotoamatsukami, nor Izanagi... but yeah, maybe he should be considered "in his prime" after the Uchiha downfall

      As I stated. Hiruzen in the 4th Databook is stated to have every Jutsu in Konohagakure. This means Hiden, Flying Raijin, everything. How are the Uchihas going to stop Super-Multi Sized Technique + Shadow Possession? Answer = Can't. Databook = Fact. Hiruzen's prime is not when he was in his 60's (Age of Uchiha Downfall). You are tripping. When Hiruzen beat Orochimaru, 1st Hokage, and the 2nd Hokage, he was said to be far weaker than what he used to be. If he can beat them at 70 years old, I'm pretty sure he can handle the Uchihas in his prime.

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    • Orochimaru vs. Hiruzen remastered pls

      imagine the intensity and pace it would be at now, if it was already intense before?

      I really wish they displayed Hiruzen's fighting prowess at his prime with some kind of flashback. Would've been really cool, and served as a benchmark for how strong this guy actually was.

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    • Now this my friend isn’t something we can more agree on ..but there’s just a factor on Danzo having Shisui eye as well as half the uchiha at young age cuz that matters.whats your in put on that

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