yo, jugo went vs 4th rai at what I think was 70 percent. that kinda of a better is feat than losing so Naruto only using kurama's chakra and a boss summoning. that's a pretty good for a gennin, but for someone that fought a kage and survived.
Jugo survived not because he managed to, but just because the opponents were bisy and didn't bother to finish him off for sure, apart from this he was completely and utterly defeated, despite using CS2.
he was in kid form though. him as an adult at full power is probably 1.5, maybe 2 times stronger. and he wasn't necessarily being kicked, or thrashed around. he was the one attacking the kage all by himself at one point. he survived a fist-stab to the heart! beat that. he was pretty fast, and he had them lasers that destroyed the whole area as well.
There weren't multiple Kage, but just one, namely A. And no, he wasn't attacking A by himself, it was him who has been pushed into the wall by A almost immediately after entering CS2. Although it was a somewhat deceptive move, but hole in the chest (not in the heart, it was at the right side) still is a serious injury. And A knocked Jugo out just with his next move. No, Jugo's performance on the Five Kage meeting was far from being an impressive feat.
Perhaps, but I judge the outcome of this (thread) fight based on the abilities of the combatants and not on their ninja ranks or something. Jugo doesn't really counter Gaara's battlestyle. He lacks the speed to overcome Gaara's sand defences, and even if he manages to punch out the way with the brute force, if Gaara is allowed to use his Biju powers to their fullest, he'd still gain the victory for himself. Miniature Shukaku form is already enough to match Jugo's CS2 form and fight on even terms, while Tailed Beast Mode would just overwhelm him. Jugo has no way to reach out for Gaara on top of Shukaku's construct and would eventually get blown up by the Air Bullets or TBB. Plus, CS2 Jugo has too much bloodlust to invent at least some kind of strategy.
Ravenlot 27 wrote:
Plus, CS2 Jugo has too much bloodlust to invent at least some kind of strategy.
Young/Evil gaara was also barely hanging on to his sanity. It's really a crazy vs crazy fight.
Gaara's ability to transform was significantly impeded by Sasuke with a simply Chidori, and i think Juugo's punches hit significantly harder than that.
The deciding factor is definitely how far Gaara is allowed to go though. Juugo stood no chance against a proper jinchuriki, so if Gaara just gives in to Shukaku, Juugo's toast. Then again, Chunin Exams gaara had significant trouble with transforming on command.
Sooner or later, Gaara would transform anyway, even if after being sufficiently beaten in his base form. It wasn't Chidori that impeded the transformation but rather the sign of Gaara's blood which was basically the first time he was injured that way and thus something that brought him into a state of shock. The next 2 Chidori hits of Sasuke to half-transformed Gaara didn't hinder the progress in any way. So I'd still give it to Gaara.
P.S. Okay, both are mad, but it was the strategy which allowed Naruto (+Gamabunta) to try and cancel the feeding sleep of Gaara by beating him directly.
Ravenlot 27 wrote:
Sooner or later, Gaara would transform anyway, even if after being sufficiently beaten in his base form. It wasn't Chidori that impeded the transformation but rather the sign of Gaara's blood which was basically the first time he was injured that way and thus something that brought him into a state of shock.
Wouldn't Jugo be able to knock him out hard the moment he goes into shock, and thus prevent the transformation?
I mean i agree that if Gaara goes all out, Juugo loses. I'm not convinced Juugo will give him that chance.
Well, it was only blood, not the punches themselves. And Jugo prefers to use punches rather than cutting weapons. As we've seen during the battle with Lee, Gaara is completely okay with being punched, although it wasn't a pleasure for him, he could continue the fight anyway.
Gaara wins only if he Summons Shukaku, which he can do much faster by just using Playing Possum Technique. If he doesn't rely on Shukaku, Jugo might win since Sand Coffin and Burial were Gaara's only jutsu at that point in time, when normal.
Jugo might get through the Sand Shield with his Chakra Canon enhanced strength attack (I Think). As a Genin, Gaara loses undoubtedly but he was also a Jinchuriki, which was always his stregth to begin with...so Gaara ultimately wins if we match them up at their most powerful form.
well, jugo's most powerful form was him as an adult, not the child-jugo that went cm lvl 2 in the 5 kage summit, that most people use as comparison. he was at like 60 percent of his max power, when in the child cm lvl 2 form imo.
I mean, this isn't the best way to say it, but Jugo was able to stay alive when fighting Sasuke and Suigetsu. Kid Gaara was defeated by Kid Sasuke, and Shippuden Sasuke > Kid Sasuke.
The fight wasn't really serious, Sasuke wasn't aiming to kill either of them and didn't let Suigetsu do this. And technically, it was Kid Sasuke defeated, since the last two Chidori of his didn't do anything against half-transformed Gaara at all while draining his own chakra completely.
so u just ignore what I wrote, just cuz I think its not worth thinking about it, and then just make a stupid and obvious comment after that? if jugo is kankuro lvl (he has sasori already, so he's not that weak) or so in the kage arc, and kankuro as an adult> kid gaara, its just obivious to say that jugo is stronger... all this imo
Well, the point is, we should compare skills, not some "power levels" which are too nominal to judge. Gaara is long-range, Jugo is close-range. Gaara already has an advantage. Jugo isn't known for speed and thus unable to get over Gaara's sandshield through it. The only method left for him is brute strength, but there's no guarantee it proves to be powerful enough to break Gaara's defences (which are quite tought too). In case it does, Gaara still has Shukaku transformation as his trumpcard.
The combatants are Gaara and Jugo and not Lee and Jugo. Lee outmatched sand shield not with the force of his punches, but thanks to his immense speed the shield wasn't able to keep up with. I don't say it's impossible to do the former, but it's still a pretty hard task.
Half-Shukaku transformation takes time, and he is unable to move (He can shield himself inside a Sand barrier and can still attack). Sasuke was able to penetrate the shield with Chidori, I'm sure Jugo's Curse Mark punches(forgot the name) can easily do much more damage to Gaara's barrier than Sasuke's Chidori.