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  • AsianReaper
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    22:25, February 13, 2018

    Kinshiki vs Pain arc Nagato. Nagato can't use his legs but has his Six Paths of Pain (Deva/Tendo Path is not nerfed). Kinshiki is presumed to not be able to absorb ninjutsu in any meaningful way. The battle takes place at the "Konoha Crater". Kinshiki is 50 meters from Nagato's Paths while Nagato himself is in his hideout.

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    • Kinshiki blitzes

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    • With Chibaku Tensei, Pain could just end the fight right now, hands down.

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    • kinshiki

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    • nagato withut betting an eyelid

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: nagato withut betting an eyelid

      Even if he lost the bet, would Nagato actually need either of his eyelids?

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    • Tengen Toppa Ita-Sasuke wrote:

      Namikazenaruto9 wrote: nagato withut betting an eyelid

      Even if he lost the bet, would Nagato actually need either of his eyelids?

      Well the Rinnegan he received from Madara were implants, so he can't deactivate them.

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    • Skywarior1 wrote: Well the Rinnegan he received from Madara were implants, so he can't deactivate them.

      That is true, unless you count Nagato popping his own eyes out as a deactivation method.

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    • Tengen Toppa Ita-Sasuke wrote: That is true, unless you count Nagato popping his own eyes out as a deactivation method.

      That's true, but it doesn't seem wise for anyone to pop their own eyes out, especially when it's a Dojutusu eye.

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    • Skywarior1 wrote: That's true, but it doesn't seem wise for anyone to pop their own eyes out, especially when it's a Dojutusu eye.

      Has it ever been conveyed whether or not Kakashi's deactivation method (covering the eye(s)) works with Rinnegan?

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    • come on guys I wrote that "betting" by mistake I meant "batting" that's way too much discussion for a miswritten word

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    • Whoops, sorry about.

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    • Tengen Toppa Ita-Sasuke wrote:

      Skywarior1 wrote: That's true, but it doesn't seem wise for anyone to pop their own eyes out, especially when it's a Dojutusu eye.

      Has it ever been conveyed whether or not Kakashi's deactivation method (covering the eye(s)) works with Rinnegan?

      It has. A great example is Sasuke during The Last. You can literally see his entire Rinnegan eye being covered by his hair.

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    • Kinshiki cut a Shinju, and sent Kage's flying with just a swing of an axe. Nagato dies horribly.

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    • Vacent wrote: Kinshiki cut a Shinju, and sent Kage's flying with just a swing of an axe. Nagato dies horribly.

      And kakashi tried to Raikiri Deva and got repelled all the time.

      How is Kinshiki going to hit him when Nagato can repel, summon animals to stay away from him and kill him from a distance? Oh and his weapons are chakra so it makes sense that Preta can absorb it.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Vacent wrote: Kinshiki cut a Shinju, and sent Kage's flying with just a swing of an axe. Nagato dies horribly.

      And kakashi tried to Raikiri Deva and got repelled all the time.

      How is Kinshiki going to hit him when Nagato can repel, summon animals to stay away from him and kill him from a distance? Oh and his weapons are chakra so it makes sense that Preta can absorb it.

      Because the Kage's that got sent flying weren't close to Kinshiki. The mere shockwave of his swing is devastating enough to end Nagato who last I checked can't absorb shockwaves, or repel them. This isn't even getting into how fast Kinshiki is compared to Nagato. He dies horribly.

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    • And why is Nagato unable to repel shockwaves? Shinra Tensei seems perfect for this task.

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    • Vacent wrote: This isn't even getting into how fast Kinshiki is compared to Nagato.

      Sasuke isn't as fast as the 4th raikage and Naruto's not as fast as the 3rd. Yet both dodged their attacks. You don't need to match speed if you can see the attack coming a mile away with Sharingan or Sage Mode or best of all, a Rinnegan with shared vision.

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    • minato, cause I like facts not specultions.

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    • Lorenzo.r.1st wrote: minato, cause I like facts not specultions.

      There's no Minato in this fight, dude.

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    • Nagato can't repel shockwaves

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    • Toxic303 wrote: Nagato can't repel shockwaves

      i see tons of people say this, but was this ever confirmed?

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    • The only proof of this could be 6-tailed Naruto repelling Pain's Shinra Tensei back at him, but we don't even know either if he used a shockwave for this at all, or if Kinshiki's shockwaves can be compared to those of Naruto in tailed beast forms. However, I can't recall any proof of Shinra Tensei being completely unable to block all kinds of shockwaves.

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    • My objection to it is that it simply makes no sense: Shinra Tensei blocks everything, why of all things wouldn't it be able to repel a shockwave?

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    • ravenlot 27, sorry I meant nagato but I was playing storm 4 as minato and got confused, my bad.

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    • Vacent wrote: Kinshiki cut a Shinju, and sent Kage's flying with just a swing of an axe. Nagato dies horribly.

      That Shinju was way smaller than the one used in the War Arc though ...

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    • Nagato can absorb chakra instantly on contact and with a barrier. He can wield and spam all Paths instantly and seamlessly and is on a whole other level compared to the dead body paths. Nagato could not be sensed once he was hidden inside his chameleon as Naruto and Itachi could not find him. He also is a master sensor himself as he could find Kabuto through a sensor proof barrier. His summons along with himself have the Rinnegan so they have that big shared vision. Kinshiki would eventually lose here

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Nagato can absorb chakra instantly on contact and with a barrier. He can wield and spam all Paths instantly and seamlessly and is on a whole other level compared to the dead body paths. Nagato could not be sensed once he was hidden inside his chameleon as Naruto and Itachi could not find him. He also is a master sensor himself as he could find Kabuto through a sensor proof barrier. His summons along with himself have the Rinnegan so they have that big shared vision. Kinshiki would eventually lose here

      I thought the OP mentioned that Nagato is using his SPoP instead of the actual body.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote:

      QuakingStar wrote: Nagato can absorb chakra instantly on contact and with a barrier. He can wield and spam all Paths instantly and seamlessly and is on a whole other level compared to the dead body paths. Nagato could not be sensed once he was hidden inside his chameleon as Naruto and Itachi could not find him. He also is a master sensor himself as he could find Kabuto through a sensor proof barrier. His summons along with himself have the Rinnegan so they have that big shared vision. Kinshiki would eventually lose here

      I thought the OP mentioned that Nagato is using his SPoP instead of the actual body.

      Why does the corpse rule apply exactly?

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    • Oops.. the corpses get wrecked.

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    • Thekillman wrote: My objection to it is that it simply makes no sense: Shinra Tensei blocks everything, why of all things wouldn't it be able to repel a shockwave?

      I think it has to do with the fact that Shinra Tensei is gravity, not a shockwave. Shockwaves kind of ignore gravity.

      I mean I could be wrong about the science of it tbh, but thats my best guess lol

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    • AsianReaper wrote: I think it has to do with the fact that Shinra Tensei is gravity, not a shockwave. Shockwaves kind of ignore gravity.

      Shinra Tensi is a repulsive force, not necessarily gravity

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    • Shinra Tensei is repulsive force. Bansho Tennin is attractive force. All things and all matter can be pushed or pulled with them.. Chibaku Tensei is sealing jutsu that crushes then seals the target. If the Paths can manage to keep absorbing Kinshiki's chakra while Deva Path Chibaku Tensei's him then it is over.. not to mention the soul rip technique or rain tiger at will technique(sense enemy location at all times). Nagato has many ways he could kill Kinshiki with his Six paths of pain..

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    • Huh, I thought I read that it was gravity that he was manipulating. My mistake

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    • AsianReaper wrote: I think it has to do with the fact that Shinra Tensei is gravity, not a shockwave. Shockwaves kind of ignore gravity.

      Maybe it's my background in engineering, but the answer is no. If it's strong enough to push and pull objects then it can also push and pull shockwaves. It's true that in daily life gravity is not strong enough to really impact shockwaves, but we're talking about a pseudogravity.

      Besides, it's not actual gravity because it doesn't follow gravitational rules. When Nagato is using an attractive force he's not pulled towards the target. It also doesn't seem to follow the inverse square law. Because if it did, Chibaku tensei would work very differently.

      Hence, it's not actual gravity control.

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    • I got to use logic on this one. the Six Pain's lost to Sage Naruto. Kinshiki went heads with grown Sasuke who is equal/or better than current Naruto. I don't think the Pain's will be able to defeat an Otsutsuki, they're literally not of this world.

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