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  • i really wish gaara and orochimaru met in season 1 when the show started

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    • Seeing how Oro toyed with the 4-tailed Naruto, even with his arms crippled, I don't think part-1 Gaara would be that much of a problem for him, especially with his arms still intact. Even if Gaara would go all out with Shukaku's power, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory for him. I think that Oro can end the fight pretty easily if he gets close to Gaara and uses the Five Elements Seal to subdue his Jinchuriki powers completely. Even if Gaara could still fight after this, his basic sand control without Shukaku isn't enough to take Oro down (in part 1, at least).

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: Seeing how Oro toyed with the 4-tailed Naruto, even with his arms crippled, I don't think part-1 Gaara would be that much of a problem for him, especially with his arms still intact. Even if Gaara would go all out with Shukaku's power, it still wouldn't guarantee a victory for him. I think that Oro can end the fight pretty easily if he gets close to Gaara and uses the Five Elements Seal to subdue his Jinchuriki powers completely. Even if Gaara could still fight after this, his basic sand control without Shukaku isn't enough to take Oro down (in part 1, at least).

      You forget Gaara has his Sand Shield. I do not think Oro is fast enough even against Gaara's Part 1 Sand Shield... not saying that Gaara would win nonetheless though. Just can't see how Oro would get through his Defences...

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    • And you forget that it's non-crippled Oro, i.e. with healthy arms and being able to perform all the techniques he knows. I'm sure he has enough tricks in the sleeve to bypass Sand Shield since speed can't be the only thing which can do it. Also, Edo Tensei isn't restricted as well, which means that Oro can get +2 Kage level ninja (Hashirama/Tobirama) on his side. Now I realise that Hashi's WR could work against Gaara pretty well, so does Tobirama's Water Release, with the water shown as one of the sand's weaknesses, at least in the anime. Also, Hashi's Biju-subduing ability is a significant factor as well, since it'd be able to stop Shukaku shoud Gaara allow it to go on rampage.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: And you forget that it's non-crippled Oro, i.e. with healthy arms and being able to perform all the techniques he knows. I'm sure he has enough tricks in the sleeve to bypass Sand Shield since speed can't be the only thing which can do it. Also, Edo Tensei isn't restricted as well, which means that Oro can get +2 Kage level ninja (Hashirama/Tobirama) on his side. Now I realise that Hashi's WR could work against Gaara pretty well, so does Tobirama's Water Release, with the water shown as one of the sand's weaknesses, at least in the anime. Also, Hashi's Biju-subduing ability is a significant factor as well, since it'd be able to stop Shukaku shoud Gaara allow it to go on rampage.

      True. At those times the Sand was weak against Water, so Tobirama would bypass it. Also Hashirama's wood style is perfect counter for Jinchuriki Gaara...But Oro from his own power, apart from Summoning Giant Snakes to overwhelm Gaara, I dont see how he would get through.

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    • Besides, now my thoughts came to the Sword of Kusanagi. Would it be sharp enough to pierce the Shield of Sand? It could be one of the ways for Oro to bypass it, since this sword is known to cut through almost any material in the world (the only exceptions being Enma in the staff form and Naruto's Version 2 chakra cloak).

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    • Sorry to interrupt this otherwise interesting discussion, but I would like to point out that this isn't versus debate.

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    • I think it just a placing mistake from the topic creator, even the thread's name suggests it's a versus battle.

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    • ^ Except it says Gaara AND Orochimaru, not Gaara VS Orochimaru.

      Also, when you read OP, it doesn't say anything about Gaara and Orochimaru fighting, just meeting.

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    • Ooops, my bad. So many versus threads in these times that I somehow misread "and" as "vs".

      But I don't think their meeting would be something interesting in any case. If it's Pre-Konoha Crush Gaara, he is an Oro's ally, and even if Oro could pay some attention to him, he still had a person he was interested in much more than Gaara (namely, Sasuke). And if it's Post-Konoha Crush Gaara, he's already an ally of Konoha and thus Oro's enemy, so he would attack Oro without wavering (since he accused Kimimaro of being brainwashed by Oro, it doesn't seem Gaara has a high opinion for him).

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    • I don't think Orochimaru and Gaara meeting in part 1 would have made as great an impact as if they'd met in part 2 prior to the Fourth Shinobi World war. If they had met prior to Orochimaru killing Rasa (Gaara's pa and the fourth Kazekage) the only thing that could've come of it was possible Gaara getting to know that he wasn't the biggest fish in the lake a lot sooner.

      If they had met after the murder in part 1, Orochimaru would most likely have played around with Gaara (physically and mentally) before getting bored and leave (or outright retreat before his deteoriating body made any further fun impossible).

      however, such a meeting would have allowed us to see a flashback of how Oro and Rasa got allied, who sought out whom, what they negotiated an allegiance and perhaps even the moment Rasa was killed.

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