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  • location : hidden leaf. knowledge : kimmi has knowledge on tsunade. restrictions : none... Kimmimaro is healthy


    Who would win and why? thanks

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    • Tsunade seems much stronger than Gaara at the time, and Gaara beat Kimimaro.

      Thus, Tsunade.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Tsunade seems much stronger than Gaara at the time, and Gaara beat Kimimaro.

      Thus, Tsunade.

      kimmimaro is healty. at the time they fought, kimmimaro died. garra didn't kill him. tbh that wouldn't be a good comparison/reason for tsunade to win

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    • How strong would healthy kimimaro be? We don't know.

      My money's still on Tsunade

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    • Thekillman wrote: How strong would healthy kimimaro be? We don't know.

      My money's still on Tsunade

      I believe he was stronger than garra at the point.. he died a second before killing garra. im not knocking your opinion on tsunade winning i'm saying that isn't a good support for tsunade to win

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    • Thekillman wrote: Tsunade seems much stronger than Gaara at the time, and Gaara beat Kimimaro.

      Thus, Tsunade.

      Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but you gotta elaborate on that

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    • Like i said, how strong would healthy kimimaro be? would he be equally strong, but able to fight longer? Would he be significantly stronger? That's a big unknown in this battle that makes it hard to say how much stronger a "healthy" kimimaro would be.

      From what we've seen, Tsunade would likely outlast and outheal Kimimaro and crush his bone with her insane strength.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Like i said, how strong would healthy kimimaro be? would he be equally strong, but able to fight longer? Would he be significantly stronger? That's a big unknown in this battle that makes it hard to say how much stronger a "healthy" kimimaro would be.

      From what we've seen, Tsunade would likely outlast and outheal Kimimaro and crush his bone with her insane strength.

      thanks that's what i wanted to know... i could see tsunade winning the match if she can infact catch kimmi. as far as healthy, yeah same strength just more durability and stamina.

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    • @Thekillman That's a misconception, Gaara never defeated Kimmimaro. Infact, quite the opposite was about to happen until Kimmi died to his own illness. Kimmi's bone was about to pierce Gaara's head and he was so shocked that he wouldn't have been able to react in time given his standstill as Kimmimaro passed away.

      Kimmimaro is actually very good and I think he's partially underrated, Tsunade is just durable and strong, but slow. Kimmimaro could run circles around her and I'm not sure if her attacks would be able to impact his dense bones much, even if it did he would just reform them. He's so skilled with it he managed to encase his typical bone structure with another, created layer to avoid being crushed to death by Gaara's sand burial that was Tsunami wide, which also adds to his durability. Not only this but Kimmimaro can spawn bones from different parts of his body, fighting against him taijutsu wise can be a nightmare and that's what Tsunade is known for, and healing of course.

      The only way she's standing a chance is with her rebirth 1,000 healing seal or with her summoning Katsuyu (Which doesn't have many feats.) Without it, Kimmimaro would easily land a death dealing blow especially if he went CS2, which would be an absolute stomp. And she isn't avoiding his Braken dance that dwarfed Gaara's sand tsunami. I'm not even sure if she could even hit him a surmountable amount of times, all in all I'm leaning more towards Kimmimaro but it could go either way really.

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    • Tsunade is a medical ninja. She would figure out Kimimaro's jutsu faster than Kimimaro the reverse. She IS a medical expert after all.

      Secondly, while Gaara at this point was strong, he wasn't as strong as his Part II or 4th war self. Kimimaro was definitely a Kage level shinobi.

      Thirdly, Tsunade applies immense strength to a small, focused area unlike Gaara's overall pressure. She can definitely break his bones. She doesn't have to worry about Kimimaro reforming them, as the target would mostly be his vital organs (which he can only strengthen so much before, you know, they stop performing vital functions).

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    • @Thekillman What would figuring out what Kimmimaro does with his bones help her? It's not a secret, he told Rock Lee and Gaara what he was doing while fighting them.

      I know, I never said Gaara couldn't beat Kimmimaro. I simply stated it was a misconception that part one Gaara beat Kimmi, and the opposite was about to happen.

      The difference between Gaara and Tsunade is that Gaara's sand is far faster and has incredible distance. Gaara was able to catch Kimmimaro, I highly doubt Tsunade would be able to. I'm more than certain he could land death dealing blows to her if not for her rebirth jutsu. It's why in part 2, despite Tsunade and Sakura's immense strength they weren't much of a threat because they are slow. It's like Goku said, what's the point in being so strong if you can't hit anything. I also find it debatable if a punch from Tsunade would deal more damage than Gaara's sand burial that was Tsunami wide.

      If Kimmimaro really wanted he could easily go CS2, easily catch and immobolize her with his spine and deal a deadly blow with his bone flower. If he was blood lusted he'd Braken dance (Which he can also merge with) and sneak attack her. Both instances would be GG for Tsunade unless she used her summoning and Rebirth jutsu. I also don't think you really understand how Kimmimaro's bones operate. When it attempted to go through Gaara's best defense at the time it broke apart. It didn't backfire and penetrate his arm or an organ, the point is that they exert from his body and Tsunade would literally damage herself each time she hit him (If she managed to.) The best I see Tsunade doing is just tiring him out then getting some heavy punches in which wouldn't be easy by any means since Kimmimaro's stamina is fairly good. It's the only way she'd beat him.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: @Thekillman What would figuring out what Kimmimaro does with his bones help her? It's not a secret, he told Rock Lee and Gaara what he was doing while fighting them.

      The short answer is, "because bones don't work that way". The human body is pretty fragile, and there's no way Kimimaro can do what he does without significant risks to his own health and vital fuctions. Tsunade is a medical expert. She can without a doubt use his KKG against him.

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    • @Thekillman What? Kimimaro has complete control and manipulation over his own bones in every aspect, Tsunade isn't just gonna use his own bones against him. That doesn't make much sense unless you mean in terms of just outsmarting him but I really don't see how she could do that. "The human body is pretty fragile." Fragile yet Kimimaro pulled himself out of Gaara's infused sand which is highly difficult if not impossible due to it's sturdiness. To further my point, you do also realize Kimimaro heals in CS2 right? Also knowing what your opponent is doing or gonna do doesn't mean you'll be able to stop them plus she's never fought anyone similar to Kimimaro in terms of bone manipulation, so while she may know the deal she has no experience with it to just further add to my point.

      What Kimimaro does poses risks to his health and well being but that's something that happens over time, not in the course of a battle. Tsunade wouldn't even stand a chance in battle against Kimi until she used the seal on her forehead and her summoning slug but that wouldn't be enough to win unless she can use the healing seal for a very long time considering Kimimaro's stamina.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: @Thekillman What? Kimimaro has complete control and manipulation over his own bones in every aspect, Tsunade isn't just gonna use his own bones against him. That doesn't make much sense unless you mean in terms of just outsmarting him but I really don't see how she could do that. "The human body is pretty fragile." Fragile yet Kimimaro pulled himself out of Gaara's infused sand which is highly difficult if not impossible due to it's sturdiness. To further my point, you do also realize Kimimaro heals in CS2 right? Also knowing what your opponent is doing or gonna do doesn't mean you'll be able to stop them plus she's never fought anyone similar to Kimimaro in terms of bone manipulation, so while she may know the deal she has no experience with it to just further add to my point.

      What Kimimaro does poses risks to his health and well being but that's something that happens over time, not in the course of a battle. Tsunade wouldn't even stand a chance in battle against Kimi until she used the seal on her forehead and her summoning slug but that wouldn't be enough to win unless she can use the healing seal for a very long time considering Kimimaro's stamina.

      she doesn't has to all she has to do is use Body Pathway Derangement and pretty much kimimaro would be useless...
      besides medical ninjutsu are known to strike vital points so all tsunade has to do is just catch kimi once and than kill him in one fatal blow.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Tsunade is a medical ninja. She would figure out Kimimaro's jutsu faster than Kimimaro the reverse. She IS a medical expert after all.

      Secondly, while Gaara at this point was strong, he wasn't as strong as his Part II or 4th war self. Kimimaro was definitely a Kage level shinobi.

      Thirdly, Tsunade applies immense strength to a small, focused area unlike Gaara's overall pressure. She can definitely break his bones. She doesn't have to worry about Kimimaro reforming them, as the target would mostly be his vital organs (which he can only strengthen so much before, you know, they stop performing vital functions).

      You do realize what Pressure and PSI is right? While Tsunade can apply concentrated force to a small area, Gaara can do that hundreds to thousands of times over, all over a target. Not to mention she has to get through bone before she can reach vital organs. If Kidomaru's Armor of Sticky Gold can stop Gentle Fist chakra from being inserted into his body, I'm sure bone under the skin can stop any attempt from Tsunade from reaching Kimimaro's vital organs. Not to even mention he can increase the density of his bones.

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    • Tsunade.

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    • @Namikazenaruto9 For starters, before she'd even tag him with that Kimi could kill her a dozen times over unless she used her seal. Secondly Kimi's coordination is insanely good, if Tsunade was able to figure out a counter for it when Kabuto did I'm certain Kimimaro would as well seeing as though he's much better at using his body (Sounds wrong I know.) And he hung out with Kabuto often, even he said that the leaf (at that present point in time.) didn't have anyone that could defeat Kimimaro. He's kage tier, and I doubt he'd get one punched by Tsunade when he survived an entire sand tsunami. He'd just create an extra layer of bones.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 For starters, before she'd even tag him with that Kimi could kill her a dozen times over unless she used her seal. Secondly Kimi's coordination is insanely good, if Tsunade was able to figure out a counter for it when Kabuto did I'm certain Kimimaro would as well seeing as though he's much better at using his body (Sounds wrong I know.) And he hung out with Kabuto often, even he said that the leaf (at that present point in time.) didn't have anyone that could defeat Kimimaro. He's kage tier, and I doubt he'd get one punched by Tsunade when he survived an entire sand tsunami. He'd just create an extra layer of bones.

      kabuto had genius level IQ and kimimaro doesn't has enough coordination to defeat tsunade when her seal is released.Besides if you haven't forgotten she didn't use her trump card against kabuto. So saying that kimimaro could win is a wishful thinking in this case since tsunade is the perfect counter for him.

      "And he hung out with Kabuto often, even he said that the leaf (at that present point in time.)" from where are you quoting this. I never heard of this one.

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    • Tbh tsunade is the weakest hokage(possibly kage) ever who cares about her lol. all she can do is punch hard and heal

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    • @Namikazenaruto9 How does Kabuto having genius level IQ have any relevancy here?? "kimimaro doesn't has enough coordination to defeat tsunade when her seal is released." That makes no sense, her seal only gives her insane durability for a set period of time, what does coordination have to do with that? Not only that but Kimimaro is tiers above Tsunade in coordination and dexerity so that's all around wrong. Saying Kimimaro winning against tsunade is wishful thinking, is wishful thinking lol.

      Ironic, Kimimaro could easily just blitz Tsunade and pierce her head with one of his bones in which he can manipulate the density of ESPECIALLY if he went CS2. If he goes CS2 it's night night for Tsunade unless she uses her seal to live. It's her only fighting chance, that and her summoning. Kimimaro has tanked things much harder than she can punch (Gaara's tsunami wide sand burial and being buried underground shortly afterwards along with pulling himself out of it.) He can also Brakken dance in which would cover the entire area and he can pop out from one of the bones protruding from the earth to strike. If she activates her seal, Kimimaro would just outlast her via stamina. Kimimaro is a nightmare for any taijutsu specialist unless it's a top tier sharingan, dojutsu user or someone with eight gates.

      I'm not gonna go back and search for that scan seeing as though it's forever ago old, but it's when Orochimaru was waiting for Sasuke back in part 1 and needed a vessel. Kabuto assured Orochimaru that the leaf had no one that could defeat him. Orochimaru himself has stated that if Kimimaro were present during the takeover of the leaf it would've gone much different and he wasn't there because he was diseased. Kimimaro is kage level, Tsunade is low kage level. I'm certain Kimi would win. He can withstand anything she can dish out and can outlast her via stamina and has so many ways of killing her. What is Tsunade gonna do if she can just hardly hit him?

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    • @Xshadyshadow:
      kabuto figuring out Body Pathway Derangement was only possible because he had genius level IQ so much that he could remember each did what and coordinate something which you can't expect of kimimaro.
      So if Tsunade starts with her trump card and use Body Pathway Derangement kimimaro is finished.just deal with the fact that she is really good counter to his abilities....
      Besides you are underestimating her feats especially when she could break Susanoo without any enhancement(unlike the raikage) whereas gaara couldn't.
      Kimimaro is not close to kage level ( at best he is expert jonin level).most kages can finish him off.

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    • Tsunade isn't really kage level everyone he fought madara with would destroy her she's a joke. and "Enhancements" aka the raikage's own jutsu he always uses during battle?

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    • Thekillman wrote: Tsunade seems much stronger than Gaara at the time, and Gaara beat Kimimaro.

      Thus, Tsunade.

      aren't you the guy that claims that the ABC Logic doesn't work in Naruto???

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: Tsunade isn't really kage level...she's a joke...

      Is that right. And yet Orochimaru came to her to heal him. If she was a joke, he wouldn't have wasted his time. Tsunade also uses a technique that gives near immortality. Tsunade has chakra for days and could heal hundreds of people simultaneously (via Katsuyu). Her own body is her weapon. One punch, kick or even flick can cause destructive damage, screw her making physical contact. If she were to make contact, even if her attack doesn't damage and can be used mess up the person's body functions. I mean Tsunade is badass. She just doesn't have the big or flashy attacks other kages do.

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    • yeah aka she's good for healing....useless for other shit lol

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: yeah aka she's good for healing....useless for other shit lol

      The denial in this one is strong.

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    • i dont hate her? you were being sensitive and trying to defend the useless cage who can't protect her village....I don't care if you think the same bro taco

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    • Dizmiz01 wrote: Tsunade isn't really kage level everyone he fought madara with would destroy her she's a joke. and "Enhancements" aka the raikage's own jutsu he always uses during battle?

      enhancement here means weighted boulder jutsu from Onoki....
      had he used it on tsunade too than their fire power would have increased immensly

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    • @Dizmiz

      That depends on what you mean by protecting the village. Yes the village got destroyed, and yea there were a lot casualties, but she also saved lots of people too by shielding them under Katsuyu clones. And even when almost all her chakra was gone, she still was willing to face Pain. There is no doubt in mind that Tsunade could have tooken down some pain members own her owm but the Deva Path is a troublesome one for sure. As for me being "sensitive", well that couldn't be more wrong. When you don't give credit when a character deserves it, then you are in denial for some reason.

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    • she doesn't deserve credit lol she gets solo'd by every kage lol she's literally the worst fighting kage she would get destroyed against any cage we have seen its actually comical she's not even a ninja more like a healer, and basically everyone died anyways so she doesnt deserve credit for protecting the village haha

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    • @Dizmiz

      Aww, well I'm sorry you feel that way.

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    • @Namikazenaruto9 Kimimaro is far more coordinated than Kabuto, having a high IQ doesn't mean much here. If you try to move your left leg and the right one moves, etc you need to be coordinated. Kimimaro is far more coordinated than both Tsunade and Kabuto by the displays he's shown against Gaara and Rock lee. He was able to casually dodge a vast majority of Gaara's sand that moves at the speed of sound while attacking at the same time with every opening. That also isn't Tsunade's trump card, the seal on her forehead is and once again she's not tagging Kimimaro with that body technique. He's far too fast and dexterous for her, if she did manage to catch him he'd just coordinate himself to see past it seeing as though he's a taijutsu specialist. He also won't even need his body to win. He'd Brakken dance if it came down to it and it'd be over for Tsunade. Once again, having a high IQ doesn't play too much of a role. Lol at you thinking that'd be "GG."

      Gaara didn't incase Madara's susano'o inside of a tsunami wide sand burial did he? If Madara got trapped with it and had his Susano'o ribcage up, it would certainly break. Gaara's tsunami wide sand burial is CLEARLY stronger than one of Tsunade's punches seeing as though it also buried Kimimaro beneath the earth's surface, can Tsunade do that with a punch? Fuck no. You do not have a point, yet again. Expert jonin level? Yeah, because an expert jonin level could defeat 4 jonin level ninjas all at once. Expert jonin my ass.

      You're so wrong it's baffling, KIMIMARO is a DIRECT counter to Tsunade if anything. When it comes to combat her main thing is taijutsu, when she attempts to punch Kimimaro bones would just protrude from his body and pierce her. He's noticeably faster than her as well and has better stamina. He's better than her in every category of taijutsu except durability but he doesn't lack there and can actually heal himself. Oh god, if Kimimaro came out swinging with CS2 he'd wrap his spine around her and pierce with his lotus flower and unless she used her seal it's GG. There's nothing she could do otherwise. Brakken dance would be worse, if Kimimaro starts out bloodlusted he'd Brakken dance her to death and she has nothing on that except for what? A summoning that's a slug and has no destructive feats? Yeah, Kimimaro is taking this fight. I'm not underrestimating Tsunade, infact you're doing that to Kimimaro and yes he's kage-level or near it. He'd destroy Tsunade. You need to revisit your arguments. What is Tsunade gonna do to win? She can hardly hit him for crying outloud and her messing up his coordination would prove highly ineffective so come up with a different argument. Don't worry, I'll wait.

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    • @XShady

      Gaara's sand doesn't move at the speed of sound. Where did you get that from?

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    • I agree that Kimimaro is the victor because he is a great counter but Tsunade is being vastly underrated in this thread. I have no idea where people got the idea that Tsunade is slow and that Kimimaro can run circles around her. This is just blatantly false, not only was Tsunade never depicted as slow in the series itself; but her feats suggest otherwise. She trained Sakura in the art of evasion and reading your opponent's moves, Madara deemed her as a great enough threat in close-range combat to use Susanoo against her and not even bother dodging her, she was fast enough to coordinate an attack with a flying V2 A, pressure Madara enough to make him create and switch places with a Wood Release Shadow Clone so that he could attack her from a distance, quickly leap across a large area and intercept a high-speed long-ranged attack from Madara within the same timespan it took for Mei to form a single hand seal, and survive an encounter with five humanoid legged Susanoos (without being decapitated or bisected).

      Basically, she isn't slow whatsoever and that is something people made up. Her absurd physical strength, good speed, and naturally large stamina when coupled with her Strength of a Hundred Seal (which further amplifies her abilities and grants her massive reserves) virtually makes her immortal (as she stated she can regenerate any damaged organ or limb except for obviously the brain). There is also Katsuyu, who has been depicted as being pretty much invulnerable to physical and corrosive damage, and can produce acid that can melt through solid rock and the ground. Katsuyu can also split up and divide into multiple smaller variants who can all communicate telepathically, absorb the body of other's into their own to protect them from harm, and produce acid that was implied and stated to be able to kill Manda and Orochimaru (despite his ridiculous regeneration and resilience).

      In conclusion, Tsunade is not slow or "useless" by any means of the word. She's one of the strongest if not possibly the strongest kunoichi in the series. I recall it being stated (correct me if I'm wrong) that her revision of the medical-nin system and work during the Second Shinobi World War was one of the main reasons why they won, had it not been for her Naruto might've died, Kakashi would've been stuck in a coma forever, and even more people would have died against Pain and Obito (cause she used Katsuyu to protect and heal people). She deserves some respect.

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    • Rachin123 im so sowwy you dont feel the same way as me its so sad!

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    • @Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 "She trained Sakura in the art of evasion and reading your opponent's moves." But Sakura is a bad fighter and is regarded as one of the worse combat characters and honestly it's a reflection of Tsunade. Madara used Susano'o because her punches were strong, not so much because of her speed. Madara had said so himself that Tsunade was slow in comparison to Raikage, but stronger. Infact, the only person Madara noted as being fast out of the entire five kage was the Raikage. When did Ay and Tsunade coordinate together in a way where it'd be a speed feat for Tsunade? And okay, she pressured a Madara that was going easy and he uses Susano'o on pretty much.. All attacks, except for a few. He uses Susano'o to block high damage, not intercept speed seeing as though he blocked Raikage's lightning attack but let Susano'o intercept Tsunade's unless you're gonna argue she's faster than Ay.

      She didn't survive an encounter with Madara's legged Susano'o really.. Both of her sides were absolutely pierced with their swords. Her entire main body was filled with the girth of Susano'os swords. She would've been Ko'd/dead if it wasn't for her seal and she was displayed coughing up blood throughout the entire ordeal. Naturally Tsunade's speed isn't particularly bad. It's just in comparison to Kimimaro's and other taijutsu users it is and same with Sakura. Your statements on Katsuyu are solid.

      See, the thing about Tsunade is that for her role as Hokage she is bad. Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen all dwarf her in terms of performance. What does she have that sets her apart? Not only that but with the five kages for her time she was also still the worse. She might have been the strongest kunoichi but they rest of them were bad too. Being the best noob, still means that you're a noob. She did heal Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi. Point proven there but she's a medical ninja. We're speaking from a combative standpoint. When it comes to fighting what does she have except for strength? Her speed is decent, but isn't good enough to be entirely honest. Kabuto was able to dodge her around fairly well and Kimimaro is far faster than him. Kimimaro was dodging Gaara's sand from multiple angles while attacking at the same time. His prowess in dexterity and coordination was highly impressive. I believe he could run circles around her, if not then close to it.

      @Rachin123 I apologize for the lengthy post but I had to add it in otherwise it couldn't be be posted. Remember the time Gaara and Rock Lee fought? When Rock Lee removed those weights from his ankles it was stated that he was moving near the speed of sound and Gaara's sand was keeping up with Rock lee's movements. Not only that but remember Dosu from part 1? He used sound as attacks and Gaara's sand was able to intercept it. Gaara's sand also intercepted Sasuke's Amateratsu and blocked Raikage's gullitine drop. If Gaara's sand isn't speed of sound then it's near it. All the feats point in that direction.

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    • @XShady

      Tsunade is not a bad fighter. And so what if Tsunade only survived being impaled by Susanoo swords due to her seal, that's her ability. Don't try and discredit her for it. Tsunade might not be the greatest taijutsu fighter, but her taijutsu is pretty decent, coupled with her pretty good speed, strength, and healing prowess, she makes for a pretty good fighter overall. Tsunade has also displayed the ability to send an electrical charge into a person's body to mess up their body functions through simple contact. As for ninjutsu, she lacks that when it comes to mid to long range techniques, but that doesn't make her any less powerful. She can also summon Katsuyu who can spit acid and could split into mini slugs to suffocate the opponent. While I agree Kimimaro wins, due to her regeneration and stamina, it would take some time.

      As for your comment about it being stated that Lee broke the sound barrier when taking off the gates, I need to source for that. I don't recall that ever being said. Lee did not use sound as attacks, he used his speed couplef with strength, which coupled his strength more. And Gaara's sand is fast, but it's not no where near sound speed.

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    • People give tsunade to much credit lol I agree with @XShady he named every point, for a normal ninja she is very good because of power and healing but against anything near cage level she gets destroyed she's not a fighter, its not her fault its her training, her summon is the worst for fighting easily out of the sannin, they make it epic that she can heal people but really high level jonin should beat her easily like madara was toying with all 5 kage and tsunade couldn't land anything of meaning if it was a real fight it would be a massacre. Also sending an electric charge is overrated lol she only hit kabuto cause he was being cocky and it wore off in a few moments.

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    • @Dizmiz

      First off, Tsunade was rusty anyway during her fight against Kabuto. And no, how is messing up someone's body functions overrated? The only reason Kabuto was able to figure out how to deal with it was due to his intellect. Nobody is saying she's crazy strong, but that what she has makes her a formidable fighter period. She has the essentials to protect the civilians of the village as a kage should be able to do, even if the village itself gets destroyed. Nobody is giving Tsunade too much credit, you are just trying to downplay her simply because she doesn't use ninjutsu like the other kages, rather that be for teleportation, speed enhancements, or mid to long range attacks. Tsunade is her own ninja and kage level rather you want to see that or not.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: @Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 "She trained Sakura in the art of evasion and reading your opponent's moves." But Sakura is a bad fighter and is regarded as one of the worse combat characters and honestly it's a reflection of Tsunade. Madara used Susano'o because her punches were strong, not so much because of her speed. Madara had said so himself that Tsunade was slow in comparison to Raikage, but stronger. Infact, the only person Madara noted as being fast out of the entire five kage was the Raikage. When did Ay and Tsunade coordinate together in a way where it'd be a speed feat for Tsunade? And okay, she pressured a Madara that was going easy and he uses Susano'o on pretty much.. All attacks, except for a few. He uses Susano'o to block high damage, not intercept speed seeing as though he blocked Raikage's lightning attack but let Susano'o intercept Tsunade's unless you're gonna argue she's faster than Ay.

      She didn't survive an encounter with Madara's legged Susano'o really.. Both of her sides were absolutely pierced with their swords. Her entire main body was filled with the girth of Susano'os swords. She would've been Ko'd/dead if it wasn't for her seal and she was displayed coughing up blood throughout the entire ordeal. Naturally Tsunade's speed isn't particularly bad. It's just in comparison to Kimimaro's and other taijutsu users it is and same with Sakura. Your statements on Katsuyu are solid.

      See, the thing about Tsunade is that for her role as Hokage she is bad. Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama and Hiruzen all dwarf her in terms of performance. What does she have that sets her apart? Not only that but with the five kages for her time she was also still the worse. She might have been the strongest kunoichi but they rest of them were bad too. Being the best noob, still means that you're a noob. She did heal Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi. Point proven there but she's a medical ninja. We're speaking from a combative standpoint. When it comes to fighting what does she have except for strength? Her speed is decent, but isn't good enough to be entirely honest. Kabuto was able to dodge her around fairly well and Kimimaro is far faster than him. Kimimaro was dodging Gaara's sand from multiple angles while attacking at the same time. His prowess in dexterity and coordination was highly impressive. I believe he could run circles around her, if not then close to it.

      @Rachin123 I apologize for the lengthy post but I had to add it in otherwise it couldn't be be posted. Remember the time Gaara and Rock Lee fought? When Rock Lee removed those weights from his ankles it was stated that he was moving near the speed of sound and Gaara's sand was keeping up with Rock lee's movements. Not only that but remember Dosu from part 1? He used sound as attacks and Gaara's sand was able to intercept it. Gaara's sand also intercepted Sasuke's Amateratsu and blocked Raikage's gullitine drop. If Gaara's sand isn't speed of sound then it's near it. All the feats point in that direction.

      First off, Sakura isn't a bad fighter, and even if she was that doesn't mean Tsunade is either. It doesn't mean that Tsunade is faster than A but it means that her strength more than makes up for it and that she does indeed have a good level of speed. Madara only used his Susanoo when he was threatened by extremely powerful attacks, so all that means is that he was faced with a bunch of strong attacks including Tsunade's. That doesn't downplay her, that simply means she is dangerous enough in close-quarters that he decided it'd be better to use Susanoo than dodge.

      That is considered surviving, because her Strength of a Hundred Seal makes her pretty much immortal. The fact that she was unable to be decapitated or bisected also further emphasizes that she is skilled in evasion.

      Hashirama literally dwarfs every single non-God tier character aside from Madara, so that is a moot point. Tobirama and Minato also dwarf the majority of characters, so that isn't a good point either. The only version of Hiruzen that might drawf her is prime, other than that, she is above Hiruzen in his old age. She also isn't the worse out of the Five Kage, she's second only to Onoki out of all of them. Chiyo, Mei, and Konan aren't bad at all so that's also a poor argument. I've already explained what she has from a combative perspective, she can one-shot most people with her strength so close-range against her is suicide for a lot of people, her speed and evasiness allows her to not be so easily put down like so many believe, her natural endurance makes her last for a long time, and her SoHS makes her nearly immortal and amplifies all of her abilities. She also has Katsuyu like I said, who counts as apart of a shinobi's arsenal and one of their abilities.

      Kabuto was stated to be equal to Kakashi normally by both Orochimaru and Jiraiya, was enhanced by a military rations pill, and she was rusty and nowhere near her strongest when she fought him. So that is a bad argument and not comparable to her when she fought Madara. It sounds more like you're kind of biased against her.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Dizmiz

      First off, Tsunade was rusty anyway during her fight against Kabuto. And no, how is messing up someone's body functions overrated? The only reason Kabuto was able to figure out how to deal with it was due to his intellect. Nobody is saying she's crazy strong, but that what she has makes her a formidable fighter period. She has the essentials to protect the civilians of the village as a kage should be able to do, even if the village itself gets destroyed. Nobody is giving Tsunade too much credit, you are just trying to downplay her simply because she doesn't use ninjutsu like the other kages, rather that be for teleportation, speed enhancements, or mid to long range attacks. Tsunade is her own ninja and kage level rather you want to see that or not.

      Bro believe whatever you want I could care less she's a fictional character I'm not taking credit away from her because she doesn't exist lawlz. It's obvious she's the least powerful kage and can only heal the electricity thing is cool....if you look down and let her hit your neck....lmao

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    • @Dizmiz

      The lies you are telling. If you cared so little about fictional characters, you wouldn't participate in a discussion about them and not only that, but continuously post in the discussion.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote:

      @Namikazenaruto9 Kimimaro is far more coordinated than Kabuto, having a high IQ doesn't mean much here. If you try to move your left leg and the right one moves, etc you need to be coordinated. Kimimaro is far more coordinated than both Tsunade and Kabuto by the displays he's shown against Gaara and Rock lee. He was able to casually dodge a vast majority of Gaara's sand that moves at the speed of sound while attacking at the same time with every opening. That also isn't Tsunade's trump card, the seal on her forehead is and once again she's not tagging Kimimaro with that body technique. He's far too fast and dexterous for her, if she did manage to catch him he'd just coordinate himself to see past it seeing as though he's a taijutsu specialist. He also won't even need his body to win. He'd Brakken dance if it came down to it and it'd be over for Tsunade. Once again, having a high IQ doesn't play too much of a role. Lol at you thinking that'd be "GG."

      I don't know whats so difficult to understand here....
      kabuto only had to figure out how muscles of his limbs worked whereas kimimaro has to figure out how each of his muscle works or else he won't be able to use his main arsenal. whether he is in cursed state or not outcome after body pathway jutsu isn't going to change all kimimaro can do is wait for his death.IQ will matter here since kimimaro has to move each of his muscle as wellas bones atleast once inorder to figure out what moves what that much time is enough to kill kimimaro.it will be an epic overkill
      besides he can't evade the jutsu since once he comes in contact with tsunade she will just send the electric impulse in his body and electric impulse is lot faster than speed of sound.
      And no DANCE of kimimaro will save him perhaps after the jutsu's effect bracken dance might come out as disco dance.........

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      Gaara didn't incase Madara's susano'o inside of a tsunami wide sand burial did he? If Madara got trapped with it and had his Susano'o ribcage up, it would certainly break. Gaara's tsunami wide sand burial is CLEARLY stronger than one of Tsunade's punches seeing as though it also buried Kimimaro beneath the earth's surface, can Tsunade do that with a punch? Fuck no. You do not have a point, yet again. Expert jonin level? Yeah, because an expert jonin level could defeat 4 jonin level ninjas all at once. Expert jonin my ass.

      gaara did encase madara with sand during the fight but madara broke out from it with Susanoo while he broke out of it clearly he endured that pressure though gaara can boast of a higher amount of force on Susanoo but the pressure from tsunade's punch is higher.Most kages are experts in atleast 2 of the field(i.e in terms of genjutsu, ninjutsu and taijutsu) or have really exceptional KG(like Onoki). from this you can easily conclude that kimimaro was just below kage level in categories of kakashi and guy. given his tender age it's really good achievement[besides guy and kakashi during that sand attacks leaf arc finished more than 40 jonin by themselves so don't underestimate expert jonin, asuma finished roughly about 8-10 while he rescued shikamari]....
      besides I didn't know that you had such a well trained ass.

      XShadyShadow wrote: You're so wrong it's baffling, KIMIMARO is a DIRECT counter to Tsunade if anything. When it comes to combat her main thing is taijutsu, when she attempts to punch Kimimaro bones would just protrude from his body and pierce her. He's noticeably faster than her as well and has better stamina. He's better than her in every category of taijutsu except durability but he doesn't lack there and can actually heal himself. Oh god, if Kimimaro came out swinging with CS2 he'd wrap his spine around her and pierce with his lotus flower and unless she used her seal it's GG. There's nothing she could do otherwise. Brakken dance would be worse, if Kimimaro starts out bloodlusted he'd Brakken dance her to death and she has nothing on that except for what? A summoning that's a slug and has no destructive feats? Yeah, Kimimaro is taking this fight. I'm not underrestimating Tsunade, infact you're doing that to Kimimaro and yes he's kage-level or near it. He'd destroy Tsunade. You need to revisit your arguments. What is Tsunade gonna do to win? She can hardly hit him for crying outloud and her messing up his coordination would prove highly ineffective so come up with a different argument. Don't worry, I'll wait.


      only single contact is required by tsunade to use her jutsu (the body pathway) and the time it takes to effect is also negligible, kimimaro gets slaughtered like a gullible pigeon.
      besides each time he protrude his bones he also damages his body which can be easily made use of by an medical ninja.clearly tsunade is the counter being a seasoned shinobi. kimimaro is just a crying baby compared to her in experience.No dance is going to save against a ninja who can easily exploit his body even before he batts his eyes

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Dizmiz

      The lies you are telling. If you cared so little about fictional characters, you wouldn't participate in a discussion about them and not only that, but continuously post in the discussion.

      no I care about the anime and manga, just not personally about a character lol I just like the hypothetical discussion I'm not trying to marry the tsunade (implying that's your dream) :) lol you are a funny guy if you think I'm lying and that helps you sleep at night good for you!

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    • @Dizmiz

      Me marry Tsunade? Never thought of that. I didn't know defending a character meant you wanted to marry them. By that logic I want to marry a lot of characters then lol. I'll just leave you to your business and have a conversation with someone who can present unbiased opinions with valid points.

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    • @Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 Sakura is a horrible fighter, you cannot really debate this. She lost a fight to a cloud ninja in one punch who's subpar at best, after activating her seal she had the nerve to think she was on the same level as EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto, and charged in at Juubidara without assessing any sort of plan aside from her seal in which she thought would do her some good against him. She has zero instinct and is a sloppy fighter, she had only two good fights and the second one was only because Chiyo controlled her, Tsunade isn't too much better to be honest and for the record let me state that I have nothing against Tsunade or Sakura and when I make claims/arguments I don't let biases or the way I feel about a particular character cloud or change my judgement.

      Where is this good level of speed?? I'm not saying she's slow as a slug but where are the speed feats that make her competent against mid-top tier taijutsu users?? Madara is tons faster than Tsunade, he could've dodged the attack but analyzed her along with Raikage, he was assessing the situation and sure, Madara would prefer to use his ribcage Susano'o on power attacks but that's not a good reference.. Uchiha's are notorious Susano'o spammers and Madara using his ribcage Susano'o to block an attack doesn't speak volumes, at all. It hardly means anything except for the fact that she has a strong punch and I wouldn't say Madara finds her and her attacks "dangerous."

      Lol, c'mon. She'd be dead if it weren't for the seal, it's literally the only thing she had going for her during the fight. She's not competent against five Madara clones and I think you're missing the point. I'll also say it again, she was pierced through her sides entirely. The fight doesn't put an emphasis on Tsunade having good evasive skills at all. It actually places on emphasis on how much Madara toyed around with her and the rest of the Kage. Where were her evasive skills when she was ultimately torn in half by a tree due to Madara? Or when she fought Pein? He could've killed her at any point with taijutsu alone but wanted to test the waters and see what she and the rest of the Kage had. It's not that I'm downplaying her, you're overrating simplistic things she's done. Madara using his ribcage to block your attack isn't much of a feat and saying she was holding her own against full legged Susano'os when she was pierced, coughing up blood and would've been dead had it not been for her seal is a very, very moot point if I've ever seen one. Hell, none of the Kage were that badly beaten but her not to mention Madara was only watching and was toying around. Surviving? Ha, barely.

      Hashirama is better than everyone, point there but that wasn't my point. Tsunade has nothing that really sets her apart from any Kage. All the Hokages were plenty better than her. Minato and Tobirama do not dwarf a majority of the characters, I can name a ton of mid tiers that can competently contend with the both of them. Your only reference for Tsunade not being a bad Hokage/fighter is the Hiruzen at old age?? When he was at the worst peak of his life? And even her being better than him at old age is very debatable. You're just proving my points currently. And she is the worse Kage. Are you kidding me right now?? Gaara's is much more versatile/better than Tsunade, Ay is better than Tsunade, Mei has two Kekkei Genkai's for crying outloud. Madara even said that her bloodlimit was impressive, Tsunade is better than her in taijustu but Mei absolutely dwarfs her in ninjutsu. All Tsunade really has is immortality, but Hidan is immortal and was regarded as one of the worse Akatsuki. Being able to tank stuff alone doesn't automatically make you a good fighter.

      Once again you keep mentioning this "speed and evasiveness" LOL, where??? Where is the proof or feats to back this?? Especially considering she gets hit multiple times in almost every fight she's been in and was pierced in both sides by Madara's Susano'o in which is what you tried to use for your argument. And no that's not a bad argument, okay she was rusty but lost to a jonin level ninja when she's Kage tier?? Kabuto is equal to Kakashi.. Without Kamui/Sharingan, if those are factored in I simply cannot side with that by any means. Tsunade isn't a bad ninja if she were ranked lower like a Jonin or something similar, but being placed as Kage tier?? She doesn't contend very well at all. She's not a good fighter, she's subpar at best. I'm only being honest. But I will take back what I said about all the female fighters in Naruto being bad, Mei is actually fairly good and so is Chiyo although she only really fought Sasori. Konan isn't good though, Tsunade is better than her but Mei is probably the best female fighter in Naruto.

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    • @XShady

      For your statement about Sakura being a bad fighter, I didn't know this was being a bad fighter [1]. So what if she got hit, your in a fight, it is expected. It's not like she stood there and said hit me please. Karui was her target while Omoi was Sai's, but Omoi slipped away from Sai and sneaked Sakura. The battle could've kept going, but didn't.

      Why are trying to discredit Tsunade. So what if her seal is the main reason for her being able survive attacks, she worked her ass off and created the technique. Tsunade obviously didn't care if she got hurt, she would heal, so she didn't have to be too worried about evading attacks. Even so, it would be hard anyway to evade something as large as Susanoo. As for you saying she lost to Kabuto. The only reason for that was because Kabuto exploited her weakness. She was doing perfectly fine. Not to mention Kabuto used the Chakra Scalpel, a technique that is dangerous in close combat. However, Tsunade was pulling through his attacks. Like I said, Tsunade has the essentials to protect the villagers, and that's what really makes her kage level. In battle, she may have the ninjutsu attacks that other kage do, but her healing abilities help make uo for that. And if anything she can always summon Katsuyu to assist. What sets her apart is that she doesn't need to use big attacks to deal with you, with her strength and healing abilities, she can manage. As for you saying she gets beat by every kage, that is what is debatable, but lets not do that here.

      What!? You believe Konan isn't "good enough". Her abilities make it so she can't be harmed by physical means, is resistant to water and somewhat to fire. She can fly and create dozens of weapons to assault the enemy or smother them in her paper. Tsunade cannot beat Konan. Konan is the worst matchip for her. This doesn't mean Tsunade sucks, it just shows that nobody can beat everyone.

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    • being able to "heal the village" and "protect the village" are very different things....She watched it get destroyed while healing people, a real cage does;t let it get destroyed because they overpower/can compete with whoever is attacking....If someone like kabuto overpowers you then man you need help

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    • @Dizmiz

      Welcome back. You say you could care less about Tsunade, but continue to talk about her. But, lets see, before she even knew what was happening, Pain had already started to destroy the village and take lives. Her thought was to obviously to make sure the villagers are safe by spreading Kaysuyu out and heal and send chakra to other ninja. Even if she were to face Pain, they were all spread out. During others confrontations, she would get the knowledge to know hoe to deal with Pain, after all Jiraiya was defeated by the very same enemy. Tsunade did not get overpowered, she got played. Not only did he have prior knowledge of her, the chop or punch she delivered to Kabuto should have killed or severally hurt him, if she easily crush stone with het bare hands.

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    • Konan almost killed Obito, her chakra levels are superb. We already made a thread about that before I think.. you should go check it out.

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    • Tbh i keep coming back to either prove you wrong or find amusement in your struggle either or are worth my time. So why is tsunade the worst kage again enlighten me on her feats, because she decided to heal villagers instead of stopping the enemy from killing more....thats like tending to a wounded soldier while a guy has a gun to your friend's head and says he will continue to kill more unless you stop him its counterproducive so either 1. tsunade has the iq of an ant, 2. she couldn't fight pain and knew that, 3. wanted the real mvp naruto to step in because he surpassed her when he was 15? lol

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    • @Dizmiz

      You really must have nothing better to do than to troll. Why Tsunade is the worst kage or why she healed the village and didn't go straight to face Pain herself (even though Pain was spread out over the village) has nothing to do with this discussion. We should only be talking about her abilities and what she can do and can endure in her battle against Kimimaro. Kimimaro is not Pain or am I mistaken? Kimimaro is not a kage is he? So stop trying to bash her because you hold such a disdain for her fir some reason.

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    • im not trolling im proving you wrong:). but alright kimmimaro actually has a decent chance of beating her just make those bones come out of the ground and impale her and then cut her head off....can't heal her head can she

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    • The fact that you think you are proving me wrong shows that you are trolling. You also created two Tsunade related threads, which I closed, because you intentionally created them to start trouble because you feel she is "useless". Get yourself together buddy. You have been warned.

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    • you're a mess bro get it together

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    • @Dizmiz

      Yup and that's why you are going to be blocked very soon.

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    • oh gosh the power what ground do you have for this?

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    • @Rachin123 I would respond to the whole Gaara's sand moving at the speed of sound thing but searching for scans of that would take waayy too long and that isn't the topic at hand. But anyways, Sakura is a bad fighter. I've already said that she had two good fights and mentioned that one. The problem with that is it's highly inconsistent and she's never displayed fighting like that again. Infact, she's always being depicted at being the exact opposite all throughout the manga/show. Majority >> One display. And still, I suppose the fight could've kept going but it still ended in one punch.

      I'm not discrediting Tsunade, I'm just saying what it really is. I'm not trying to poop on her character or anything I'm just being honest and saying things for what they truly are. I'm not the one that said Tsunade was evasive, it was @Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 that said she was so you're barking up the wrong tree. I disagree entirely that Tsunade is evasive, she really isn't and nothing supports that claim. Kabuto exploited her weakness? I mean, that's what you do during a fight. You look for cracks and openings in order to win. If Kabuto had displayed a weakness of some sort do you honestly think Tsunade wouldn't have exploited it during battle and took advantage of it to win? Let's be honest here.

      Actually no, Tsunade doesn't have what it takes to protect the village. Healing sure, but from a combative standpoint she doesn't. Not at all. She's not kage level, I'm sorry but I simply can't support that. Her healing is great, but it doesn't make up for a lack of firepower. In a war she'd be highly prioritized because of her healing, but in a 1v1 situation or where she's in a position where she's forced to fight she's lacking. That's expected of a medical user but the problem is that she's kage and you cannot be Kage with that standing. Tsunade doesn't have any attacks to deal with mid-tiers or even half of the Akatsuki. Actually no, any Akatsuki member could solo her except for Konan and Hidan. Nothing sets her apart aside from healing but once again, we're talking about from a combat standpoint. And yes, Tsunade is the weakest Kage and especially Hokage. I could explain why each and every Kage could beat her.

      Yeah, Konan isn't good enough and don't even bring Obito into this seeing as though she prepped for a while and had the environmental advantage. I'd put Tsunade above Konan because most people, or the average ninja would have a harder time dealing with Tsunade than Konan but I do agree Tsunade would be countered for that matchup. But even then I still see Tsunade winning, Konan has nothing to put Tsunade down really unless she prepped for 1 billion paper bombs but that's not quite fair. Not only this but Tsunade's stamina is better, she'd be outlasted. Anyways, back on topic. Kimimaro would defeat Tsunade and I have nothing against her. Just from a combat standpoint she isn't that great and could've used some work.

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    • @XShady

      You make it seem as if Sakura has been in that many fights ro display that taijutsu she did against the puppets. Give me some fights that her taijutsu could've came in handy. And also by your logic, if you get hit in a fight, you are bad fighter just because Sakura got hit by Omoi.

      Kabuto had prior knowledge of her and fear of blood so he didn't figure out during battle, he had no choice but to use that against her because he couldn't win. You keep speaking of firepower. Minato hardly was one for firepower, but his FTG made up for that. It's in the same sense as Tsunade who practically has immortality and super strength, which alone can get her far. That's like saying that Wonder Woman would lose to Starfire because she doesn't have the firepower that she does (This has happened and Wonder Woman won). Why doesn't she have what it takes to protect her village? Because one of the most powerful Akatsuki members destroyed Konoha. Even when Orochimaru came to Konoha, there were was destruction and casualties. Tsunade proved to be well in good when it came to dealing with ninjutsu like when she repelled the fire dragons with her chakra coated arm. She was able to take down a Susanoo humanoid version with strength alone. I mean even her speed was pretty good as shown when Madara was swept high in the air by Mei's water dragon, not a moment later after the Raikage showed up, Tsunade appeared and striked.

      The fact that you think so little of Konan, only supports the fact that you are being bias with her, Sakura and Tsunade.

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    • @Rachin123 The fight against Omoi is a fight where taijutsu would've come in handy obviously?? And no, you clearly aren't understanding. Getting punched one time and it knocks you on your ass and you QUIT when you're suppose to specialize in taijutsu is a horrible display for someone that's supposed to be good in it. There are a multitude of things that make Sakura a horrible fighter, if anything by your logic one decently good display must make her a good one. Trying to argue otherwise is silly, Sakura has no fighting instinct and she beat up a bunch of puppets.. I guess if a low tier goes around beating up fodder they must be good too right? Let me ask you this, who can Sakura beat if the fight was solely taijutsu based? Name 5 decent people who can use taijutsu decently.

      "because he couldn't win." That's certainly debatable, him and Orochimaru were dodging most of her attacks with relative ease. He tagged her more times than she tagged him, he even took one of her punches and got back up without any sort of visible drawbacks. I'd argue that if anything Kabuto was ahead but here's what you aren't understanding. Tsunade is KAGE level, that is absolutely embarrassing for a Kage. Someone of jonin level at the time takes advantage of a weakness of yours and you're completely vulnerable? Please, you're damage controlling and I dare you to say another Kage would fall victim to what Kabuto did. Do you honestly think Oonoki, Ay, Mei or Gaara would fall prey to something like that? Or especially, any of the old Hokages in which is another standard she should be held to? Absolutely not, they'd stomp that Kabuto. And no, lol. I'm sorry but your post just shows me that you don't understand what's being said.

      When did I fault Tsunade for casualties in the village?? I simply said she can't defend her village decently because she isn't good from a combat perspective and would lose to most of the Akatsuki in a 1v1 except for Konan and Hidan. Lol, Itachi, Kakuzu, Kisame, Sasori, Deidara and especially Nagato/Pain would beat the living crap out of Tsunade in a 1v1 scenario so it's not just one person you're trying to damage control with. Your analogies could be better, they don't follow my line of logic at all. Also, Minato doesn't lack in firepower, he has a little something called Rasengan that he mastered. Along with mastering FTG and was able to be faster than the original creator with it. That's more than enough to be competent. He's called the Yellow flash of the leaf for god sakes, he's distinct to an extent from the rest. So, let me get this straight. Tsunade is good with ninjutsu.. because she repelled fire dragons that Madara fired at the last moment just to get an attack in because he was at risk of being sealed??? Hell, they weren't even repelled she just changed their course of direction. Once again, I guess beating up a bunch of fodders should be considered a feat too. Madara said Tsunade's base was trash. He only took it back when she activated her seal.

      And like I said before, she was pierced on both sides of her body and was visibly shown coughing up blood against humanoid Susano'o. Give me a break, had it not been for the durability of her seal she would've died a few times over easily, not to mention Madara piercing her personally prior to this and that's a coordination feat of five people. Anyone can look good when you're trying to jump someone. It still doesn't say much. I swear, anything Tsunade or Sakura does you're trying to label it a feat or something reputable "She repelled low tier fire dragons, so she must be good at ninjutsu!" "She beat up fodder!" I think little of them based on feats and displays that were shown, I do not have any biases. Ironically, if anything you do. You're damage controlling, give them the smallest of feats and try to make it look like something remotely decent, get defensive and say I'm biased against them but seemingly you're biased for them. Lol, okay. But until you prove something with substance to me that makes Tsunade a worthy Kage tier or Sakura a good fighter your point is moot and goes against you.

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    • @XShady

      Who said Sakura specialises in taijutsu. Now you are just making things up. Sakura didn't see Omoi's attack coming into the last minute. Blame Sai for letting his opponent slip passed him. Tsunade's fear of blood is psyhological thing has nothing to do with her being kage level. And trying to discredit Tsunade for relying on her seal, a technique she created, is low. Shall we discredit Obito because he relies on Kamui? Shall we discredit practically every Uchiha because they rely on the Sharingan for most of their fighting? No I don't think so stop. And did I say Tsunade had great ninjutsu because she repelled the fire dragons with her arms? No I did not. It is clear that you hold some sort of dislike to these characters and it is clouding your judgement. I'm just going to stop responding to you. Have a good day.

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    • @Rachin123 Yes, Sakura specializes in Taijutsu. It's the only thing that Tsunade taught her aside from healing, from a combat standpoint Sakura is supposed to be super physically strong. Raw, physical strength is stemmed to taijutsu. That's what it falls under, so if she doesn't suck then name five people she can beat in taijutsu. I'll wait.

      It's a mental thing but the simple fact it made her so vulnerable and she had no way of making up for it is utterly sad. It has everything to do with a Kage, you're supposed to be the leader of your village and lead by example and be experienced. Sure, of course you're gonna have your moments of weakness but to that degree and to be that helpless for a Kage tier? Please, give me a break. And no, the seal is something she got from Hashirama. It's not something she just thought of and made, there's another originator and she got the idea from him. Am I bashing her for it? No, but saying that she's the sole creator simply isn't true.

      And no it's different. Madara is good without his Sharingan, Madara's base is good. Sasuke's base is good, so is Itachi's, Obito's, most characters and so forth. They don't need to entirely rely on Sharingan, most other characters have other things going for them and exceel in a multitude of things including the Kage's. If they aren't good in one thing they make up for it with another. Tsunade doesn't make up for much if anything at all. I'm not stopping, because it's true and you don't wanna face facts. Her base is garbage, take away her seal and what else does she have? Take away an Uchiha's sharingan and they still have other things going for them. Relying on just one technique and that's all you have is piss poor for a Kage. And YES YOU DID. You literally said she's great in ninjutsu because she repelled Madara's fire dragons.

      I'm sorry but all wrong. I have no disdain or dislike for any of them, I'm simply stating facts and going by what's been presented by the manga. You keep dancing around my questions, you've yet to tell me why Tsunade is kage level or why Sakura isn't a bad fighter/name mid-tiers she can beat and try to take feats from simplistic things and get defensive about everything along with take what I say out of context. It's simply not good enough, you're trying to make her look good but for a Kage she isn't. Her healing is good, but from a combative standpoint she's everything but that. "Madara used his ribcage Susano'o against her, feat!" "She beat a bunch of puppets, feat!" Like c'mon. Give me a break. You haven't made a single point, Tsunade doesn't belong in Kage tier and Sakura isn't a good fighter, period.

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    • @XShadyShadow agree with everything you just said, you can try to make her look good all you want but tsunade simply isn't large tier she's not even advanced jonin, and by that I mean guy and Kakashi and probably Asuna could stomp her but for a healer she's second to only hashirama

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    • @Sirspamsalot24 Thanks.

      @Namikazenaruto9 And as for you, don't think I forgot about you as well. You're trying to establish a difference between Tsunade doing it to Kabuto and her theoretically doing it to Kimimaro, it'd be the same thing except Kimimaro would be able to recover quicker. IQ has nothing to do with it, if you see a punch coming towards your face you're gonna move out of the way, block or do something about it. It's instinctive, same logic applies here. You won't need high IQ to figure out that when you move your left leg, the right one moves. Coordination is the key and Kimimaro is FAR more coordinated and quicker than both Tsunade and Kabuto. Tsunade's jutsu disrupts the nerves, it would have little baring on his bone manipulation that he has complete control over. Had her jutsu been as effective as you're trying to lead it on to be then it would've been used more.

      You're literally making no sense, Tsunade punched Kabuto (seal-less.) right in the cheek and he got up without any visible drawbacks. Kimimaro is far more durable than Kabuto and can create an extra layer of bone around his already existing bones. There's so many things wrong with what you've written I don't even know where to start. No, Gaara never encased Madara inside of a tsunami wide sand burial. He never did, that invalidates half of what you're saying. Bringing Kakashi, Gai, other jonin, etc into this means nothing

      Kimimaro could kill Tsunade a few times over before she'd tag him with her body pathway jutsu if her seal isn't active. You've got to be joking, Brakken dance easily GG's Tsunade along with his Spine/Flower dance. Even if she did hit Kimimaro with it, as I've stated before it has nothing to do with IQ, but coordination. You can be as smart as you want, doesn't mean you'll be able to do anything about something that requires your movement control to be at a certain level of criteria. What matters is how proficient you are at moving your body and things of that nature and we both know Kimimaro is better at coordinating his body than Tsunade and Kabuto. There's a huge difference in knowing what's happening than being able to actually intercept or being able to do something about it. Your argument for why Tsunade will win is bad, you're basically banking on her body pathway jutsu?? Something Kimimaro could easily overcome and even if he needed time, he could surround his existing skeletal structure with another one to tank a good chunk of her attacks. I can give you a ton of ways how Kimimaro would kill her. You don't have a point and you were flat out wrong by saying Gaara encased Madara inside of a tsunami wide Sand burial.

      Kimimaro's base is better than Tsunade's. He's more durable, faster, has better stamina, and can pack deadlier attacks with his dense bones that he can also make stronger and has complete control over. Being a medical ninja doesn't mean you magically get to manipulate a kekkei genkai. Especially one where the user has stated that he has absolute control over. Not only this but you clearly do not understand how Kimimaro's slow death worked. It's not something that happens in the course of one battle, the toll comes after a set period of time. Kimimaro suffered from it for months, perhaps even years so to think it'd play a factor in a matchup with him especially when the poster said Kimi was healthy is just reaching and grasping for straws at it's best.

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    • Sirspamsalot24 wrote: @XShadyShadow agree with everything you just said, you can try to make her look good all you want but tsunade simply isn't large tier she's not even advanced jonin, and by that I mean guy and Kakashi and probably Asuna could stomp her but for a healer she's second to only hashirama

      This is laughable.

      A simple point of comparison:

      Jiraiya vs 4-tailed naruto: Jiraiya was brought close to death. (Obviously limited in his offensive capavilities). The same happened when he peeped on Tsunade.

      Remember 4-tails Naruto? Jonin Kakashi can't do anything against it. Jonin Yamato couldn't do anything against it (Orochimaru had to soften Naruto up).

      Tsunade is Kage level. deal with it.

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    • WOW there are some really delusional people in this thread.

      first off all if you are going to say someone can win you better have the facts to back it up. Kimmimaro would never defeat tsunade. not a chance in hell. first off all you try to say that gaara's sand is stronger than tsunade's punch. this is an absolute delusional belief. the smaller the impact zone the more power will be generated this is fact of physics. Tsunade's punch is so strong it can shatter a susanoo. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. Gaara's sand was never able to do that.

      calcium is in fact a metal so calcium can absorb a lot of pressure, gaara's sand imparts pressure on the victim Not actual force or PSI. so all though Kimmimaro's bones are strong enough to take the pressure of a sand tsunami they would never be able to take the force of a fully powered punch from tsunade. its absolute absurdity to believe so

      also for those of you who are saying that tsunade is bad in taijutsu. you are again absolutely delusional tsunade's stat ratings in the third databook are 5 in ninjutsu, 5 in taijutsu, 3.5 in genjutsu, 5 in intelligence 5 in strength 3.5 in speed, 4 in stamina and 4 in hand seals that is a total of 35 in her stat ratings

      Kimimaro's stats are as fallowed 4 in ninjutsu 5 in taijutsu, 3 in genjutsu, 3.5 in intelligence. 3 in strength. 4.5 in speed, 4.5 in stamina and 3 in hand seals with a total of 30.5

      what this means is that they are equal in base taijutsu skills but a persons ability to fight isn't just determined by there base. you have to take into consideration there intelligence, strength, speed and stamina when you factor in just taijutsu, intelligence, strength, speed, and stamina, Tsunade would have a stat rating of 22.5 and kimimaro 20.5 people are just overrating kimimaro's Shikotsumyaku. simple fact. as powerful as kimimaro's Kekkei genkai is it still only gives him a ninjutsu rating of 4 you hear that 4 yet Tsunade has a 5 in ninjutsu. if you add there ninjutsu ratings this means that tsunade's jumps from 22.5 to 27.5 and Kimimaro's jumps to 24.5 and lets just face it. Tsunade's ninjutsu is in fact superior as she can kill a person with a touch. her killer touch this is evident in the fact that Kabuto literally stopped her from touching orochimaru as her touch would have killed him. and just face it. her chakra scalpal could in fact cut right down to the organs

      also 3.5 in speed isn't weak its above average remember the rating stops at 5 so 3.5 is above average

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    • @Actionmanrandell "first off all if you are going to say someone can win you better have the facts to back it up. Kimmimaro would never defeat tsunade. not a chance in hell. first off all you try to say that gaara's sand is stronger than tsunade's punch. this is an absolute delusional belief. the smaller the impact zone the more power will be generated this is fact of physics. Tsunade's punch is so strong it can shatter a susanoo. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. Gaara's sand was never able to do that."

      I have the facts to back it up. This should be fun. First off, no. I never said that Gaara's sand is stronger than Tsunade's punch. I said Gaara's sand tsunami is much stronger than her punch, and Tsunade only shattered a ribcage Susano'o. There is no way in hell you are about to argue that if Gaara submerged Madara with a Sand tsunami and proceeded to sand burial all of it at the same time just like he did to Kimimaro that Madara's ribcage Susano'o would hold up. No way in freaking hell.

      What? Absurd? Like someone else said. You do realize what Pressure and PSI is right? While Tsunade can apply concentrated force to a small area, Gaara can do that hundreds to thousands of times over, all over a target. I guess you must've also missed the memo where Gaara encased someone in a small sand burial and it crushed their entire body and the only remains were blood. Or when Gaara wrapped a small amount of sand around Rock Lee's legs and arm and it broke the bones in them. So much in fact that Rock Lee had to wear crutches for a while. Also, Tsunade punched Kabuto and got back up. Her seal wasn't active, but you're overrating her punch a smidge saying one hit would kill Orochimaru when it didn't do nearly the same to Kabuto.

      Tsunade is bad in taijutsu, name me five people who use taijutsu that she can beat? From a combative standpoint it's all she really knows. She relies on strong punches to win. And all of Kimimaro's taijutsu stats are better than Tsunade except for strength but he wouldn't need it seeing as though before he attacks he can just protrude a bone from his palm (And he can control the density of it, mind you.) and pierce her with it, anywhere on the body whenever he's attacking. I'd take the ninjutsu rating with a grain of salt, the only thing she's displayed was Katsuyu, healing, and her seal. I'd take the overall statbooks with a grain of salt too, Naruto and Sakura are portrayed to have similar stats and we all know Naruto is leagues, LEAGUES higher than Sakura. Madara also has 5 in ninjutsu I'd imagine, so is Tsunade magically on par with Madara in that department? Absolutely NOT.

      And oh really? Tsunade Kage level? What does she has that seperates her from the rest or that she does very well? What makes her Kage level? She falls short behind the 5 Kage and especially the 5 Hokage. Most of the Akatsuki can beat her in a 1v1, there are tons of mid-tiers that can beat Tsunade. She isn't worthy of the title Kage, Madara sized her up pretty accurately during the start of their fight and only took it back once she activated her seal.

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    • @Actionmanrandell

      Don't even waste your time responding to @XShady. If you didn't already know, you can check how he responds in his posts and you can tell his viewpoint of Tsunade, Sakura, Konan has to do with it being more personal than factual.

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    • @XshadyShadow
      It seems you are the one in the dark and who is unable to understand what all of us said......
      1)Actionmandrell said force is lot more in case of gaara sand but still it won't effect kimimaro 's bones much for simple fact that it's a compressive force and solids are difficult to compress despite very huge force.Whereas Tsunade applies a stress on certain portion hence it will break easily(which is very much true since calcium is brittle and breaks easily) 2)About jutsu I talked about....it's more lethal to kimimaro than kabuto since he has to use every muscle and bone or else he cannot use his main arsenal(the bones)so he has to figure out about each bone and muscle which would not be possible since he has to move each bone and muscle atleast once and by that time kimimaro is finished

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    • Kimmimaros bones are apparently as hard as steel if he wishes them to be so if tsunade is strong enough to break steel she wins, HOWEVER do not use the stats of kimmi having a lower ninjutsu Rating to justify a win for tsunade, at the third rating on this wikia Sasuke also has a 30.5 compared to tsunade but we should all admit Sasuke would stomp tsunade the way he was when he fought deidara itachi or danzo. Stop overrating a character with no feats lol MADARA said she's the weakling and disgusting as a weak senju. She could be kimm because unless he cut her head off she would just continuously heal and keep coming at him but let's be 100% she's not comparable to jiraiya Kakashi or Yamato get over the four tailed thing she's not comparable to those jonin

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    • compare tsunade to madara is really stupid since Hashirama was the only one that could beat him in a 1vs1.

      Use databook states to support your claims seems pretty stupid to me,the strongest character in the series doesn't have one.

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    • Yeah and characters that have lower ratings are obviously able to beat some characters with higher ratings

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    • it's not stupid to compare tsunade with edo madara...
      she faced off against a god tier foe without her greatest offense(use of medical ninjutsu) being removed from equation and survived to tell the tale.According to me it's a great achievement.

      according to me beating tsunade in close combat is really difficult almost impossible because of her knowledge on human body. if sasuke(or kakashi,jiraiya or Orochimaaru) were to confront her in close combat he would be killed within secs. kimimaro's only problem is his attacks are closed range so sooner or later he would lose to tsunade.
      though lower ratingninja have won over higher ones this was only possible mostly because they had advantage over their foes combat style.

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    • She didn't survive to tell the tale unless oro came to save them lol so no achievement there she lost when being toyed with MADARA could've went perfect susanoo off the start and beaten them all handily so you can't say she proved anything against him. And the thing is Sasuke is faster could get space and use his sharingan to dodge all her attacks so hitting him won't be easy she would lose to all of those under any circumstance imo. If kimmimaro kept manipulating his bone structure tsunade couldn't hit him without being hit herself so she may hit him but as we saw in the fourth war he can shoot bones out of every part of his body so she will eat a few hits everytime she gets close to him. As for who wins, if she heals longer then kimm can keep fighting she will win but I think the battle won't be a one punch win it will be a drawn out fight

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    • @Rachin123 Coming from the person that yet to present any facts with substance about Tsunade. You're just pointing the finger and saying I hate her when all I've done is presented facts that you seemingly cannot debate with because it's true. I love Hinata as a character, she's my favorite female character but that doesn't magically mean she's a great fighter because I like her, because she isn't. If anything it's more arguable you're biased for Tsunade but okay.

      @Namikazenaruto9 That's a load of crap and doesn't make sense. As I've said before, Gaara literally obliterated someone before with his sand and casually broke Rock lee's bones with it. Saying it'll have a hard time compressing a solid matter when his sand has literally torn through bone before doesn't make sense and if it was the case then Kimi wouldn't have added another exoskeleton over his own to prevent himself from being crushed to death, it's what he literally said so saying Gaara's sand would have a hard time going through bone is silly.

      Also, I guess you must've forgotten that Tsunade punched Kabuto in base form and he literally got back up without drawbacks. Tsunade's punch in base would not be able to break Kimimaro's bones, and yes. It's baffling stupid to compare Edo Madara to Tsunade. Wow, you think Tsunade would kill Orochimaru and Sasuke in taijutsu. I'm gonna need for you to take several seats because you're clearly misinformed. And Tsunade lived vs Madara.. Do you think if Madara got serious against Tsunade in a 1v1 she wouldn't get absolutely assfucked? She didn't face off against a godtier, it was her and the five kage while Madara was toying around. She cannot hold her ground against Madara. She'd get destroyed.

      I guess I should just ignore this thread. Nothing being stated here even makes sense and most of you are just overplaying Tsunade. To say it's not stupid to compare Edo Madara to her, is one of the silliest things I've heard. Or that she's formidable, she'd lose to almost any Akatsuki member, she's the worst Kage and especially Hokage at the time. "She deflected Madara's fire dragon, she's so good in ninjutsu!" "She broke Madara's susano'o ribcage, feat!" It just seems like you all are just grasping for straws or desperately looking for some way to put Tsunade in a better light than what she really is. But somehow when I'm honest and can back it up with facts I'm biased. Lol, k.

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    • @XShady

      You believe what you want buddy. Not only did you put words in my mouth, but brought Sakura and Konan into the mix, who have zeltch to do with the battle, and tried to discredit Tsunade because her main reason for living as long as she did during the battle with Madara was due to her Strength of a Hundred Technique, a technique she created, and you say I'm bias, lol.

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    • XShadyShadow wrote: @Namikazenaruto9 That's a load of crap and doesn't make sense. As I've said before, Gaara literally obliterated someone before with his sand and casually broke Rock lee's bones with it. Saying it'll have a hard time compressing a solid matter when his sand has literally torn through bone before doesn't make sense and if it was the case then Kimi wouldn't have added another exoskeleton over his own to prevent himself from being crushed to death, it's what he literally said so saying Gaara's sand would have a hard time going through bone is silly.

      Also, I guess you must've forgotten that Tsunade punched Kabuto in base form and he literally got back up without drawbacks. Tsunade's punch in base would not be able to break Kimimaro's bones, and yes. It's baffling stupid to compare Edo Madara to Tsunade. Wow, you think Tsunade would kill Orochimaru and Sasuke in taijutsu. I'm gonna need for you to take several seats because you're clearly misinformed. And Tsunade lived vs Madara.. Do you think if Madara got serious against Tsunade in a 1v1 she wouldn't get absolutely assfucked? She didn't face off against a godtier, it was her and the five kage while Madara was toying around. She cannot hold her ground against Madara. She'd get destroyed.

      I guess I should just ignore this thread. Nothing being stated here even makes sense and most of you are just overplaying Tsunade. To say it's not stupid to compare Edo Madara to her, is one of the silliest things I've heard. Or that she's formidable, she'd lose to almost any Akatsuki member, she's the worst Kage and especially Hokage at the time. "She deflected Madara's fire dragon, she's so good in ninjutsu!" "She broke Madara's susano'o ribcage, feat!" It just seems like you all are just grasping for straws or desperately looking for some way to put Tsunade in a better light than what she really is. But somehow when I'm honest and can back it up with facts I'm biased. Lol, k.

      if you cannot understand something doesn't means that it's crap. All actionmanrandell said was that comparing gaara with tsunade is wrong in the first place.gaara's technique are more like pressing a stick from all direction whereas tsunade's technique is more like breaking a twig.
      90% of maadara's feat came in edo and not only that his body was enhanced much beyond his prime(which includes his reaction time, pain experienced from overuse of sharingan and so on).So bringing feats from the ninja war is useless and besides all I said was that tsunade couldn't use her greatest offense during the fight.what's wrong with that what I said? Besides kimimaro also is no match for madara so trying to downgrade tsunade by comparing her with madara is not gonna work anyway.
      About that kabuto tanking her punch.kabuto already did something to her chakra network so she couldn't use her strength and besides that jerk was eating all those pills and not only that kabuto claimed to have better healing powers than even Naruto.
      besides you didn't reply to my other point I mentioned in previous post........

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    • @Rachin123 It's true, you can't and haven't been able to argue any of the facts I've stated. I never brought Sakura into the mix, the first guy I was debating with did and said she was good at being evasive along with Tsunade so you're wrong there and I was speaking about the Akatsuki in general and Konan happens to be apart of it. The point I was making there was that she doesn't even stand up too well against most mid-tiers, what is your point?? I also never discredited Tsunade for it, I simply said without it she would've died a few times over and it's evident from what happened. Both of her sides were visibly pierced, one throughout the other. Are you seriously going to try and argue that she would've lived otherwise? Her wounds were fatal, lol. She was even slowing down and coughing up blood in her seal state.

      I also stated that she isn't the originator. Hashirama was, she basically made the technique due to him, he's where she got the idea from. Tobirama invented FTG, there were no other before him and he was the first to use the technique/first one to think of it. Tsunade isn't the first person to use it, see the difference? Am I bashing Tsunade for it? Absolutely not it happens all the time, but simply saying she is the creator is false. Also, it doesn't do anything for her from an offense combat perspective, it's just durablity/healing. I asked before and I'll ask again, what does Tsunade have aside from healing that make her Kage tier? Lol, you're literally just proving my point about how you take things out of context and somethings you are just flat out wrong about. If you wanna be taken seriously then argue with facts and logicality. Prove what I'm saying is wrong, if you can't then trying to say I'm somehow biased with nothing but facts present is absolutely moot.

      @Namikazenaruto9 It has nothing to do with not understanding something, it's the simple fact that you just said Gaara's sand would have problems going through bones when I gave you three clear examples about how that isn't the case, it has everything to do with your statements simply not being true. You're clearly just making stuff up at this point to aid to your point. "gaara's sand is like pressing a stick from all directions while Tsunade's is like breaking a twig." That's not true, at all. If it were the case then I doubt someone such as Kimimaro would go through the effort of creating an entire exoskelton around his already existing bone structure to prevent from being crushed. You're not quite understanding the potency of Gaara's sand, the correct way to view your analogy would be that both are like snapping a twig except that Gaara's is all over your entire body. A singular punch from Tsunade isn't stronger than a Tsunami wide Sand burial. Why am I even arguing this? This is something that should be obvious and common sense. Gaara has literally one shot people to the point of only blood splatter remains, Tsunade isn't doing that with one punch.

      For starters I never brought Madara into this, someone else did when they said she was surviving against his full legged Susano'o and that Madara needing to use his ribcage Susano'o against Tsunade was somehow a feat lol. And once again, you're making stuff up. "Reaction time, overuse of sharingan and so forth on." Lol, what? Madara's reaction time was adjusted in no way, shape or form when he was brought back as Edo tensei. Overuse of sharingan? Madara has the EMS and has had it prior to edo, meaning there are NO drawbacks from him using any Sharingan ability ever. The only thing Madara acquired was Woodstyle from Hashirama and the Rinnegan in his Edo form. But Madara didn't truly even need that to beat the five Kage let alone Tsunade. She has no answer for PS, not only that but Madara is the better all around fighter.

      He literally beats Tsunade in every category, speed, stamina, smarts, skill, ninjutsu, genjutsu, reaction time, the only thing she has over him is raw strength but he MORE than makes up for it with his Susano'o that can also give fatal and devastating blows. Thinking Tsunade can be compared to a near god tier is fanfiction all around. She doesn't hold even the slightest of candles to him. Compared to Madara, Tsunade is a joke. Kimimaro is no match for Madara but I never said he was, I'm simply refuting your statement that comparing Tsunade to Madara isn't silly. It is utterly silly at the very least.

      Lol funny, because if you would've put Gaara in the same shoes do you honestly think Kabuto would be able to tank his sand tsunami burial? If Kabuto adjusted Gaara's chakra network a tad and he took some pills do you really think he'd be able to tank that? Absolutely not. He'd be near dead if not destroyed, which also serves to show that Gaara's sand Tsunami is EASILY stronger than one of her punches that you refuse to accept. Look, bottomline is Tsunade is nothing in comparison to Madara, she'd lose a fight to Kimmi, Gaara's sand tsunami burial is much stronger than a punch from Tsunade and she doesn't belong in Kage tier because she doesn't offer much from a combative perspective nor would she be able to beat most of any Akatsuki member 1v1.

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    • This debate is a joke it's off topic and now it's debating tsunade's power level, YES EVERYONE CAN AGREE SHE IS THE WEAKEST KAGE EVER AND IF YOU CANT AGREE WITH THAT YOURE BRAIN DEAD, however if she could beat kimmimaro is up in the air

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    • @XShady

      So by your logic, Kakashi didn't create the Chidori because he got the idea from failing to mix a nature with the Rasengan. Hashirama's healing ability is completely different from Tsunade's, aside from better healing properties, his doesn't require the seal. If Hashirama was the creator, then he would be listed as a user of the Strength of a Hundred Technique. And did I say she would have lived with the Strength of a Hundred Technique? No I didn't. But all you kept doing was saying she would've died, she would've died, if it wasn't for it. I'm sure that is established, but that is beyond the point, especially here. The Akatsuki have nothing to do with the battle. Neither does Tsunade not being kage level, unless you are saying Kimimaro is kage level too?

      Everything I said was to talk about Tsunade's prowess. I say that she protected the villagers from Pain's attack. Not many kage could have done that. She has her strength, which has been able to damage even Susanoo. She is not slow, proven even in her fight with Madara. Her taijutsu is not great (for what was shown), but is pretty decent and coupled with her pretty good speed, it works out fine enough. She doesn't have to even physically hit you, but can use the landscape to her advantage with her strength. By contact she can send an electrical surge into your body to mess up your body, making her an worse person to face in close combat. She can use Katsuyu to aid her in battle as well if it came to it. The fact that Tsunade is practically immortal makes her even a bigger threat. I'm not saying she's some super great ninja, but that she is a formidabble opponent most definitely. And for you saying any kage could beat her, well that's a conversation for another thread.

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    • EVERY KAGE COULDVE PROTECTED THE VILLAGE BETTER THEN TSUNADE DID AGAINST PAIN SHE DIDNT EVEN PROTECT THE VILLAGE SHE JUST MADE ALL THE VILLAGERS DIE SLOWER INSTEAD OF SROPPING THE THREAT SHE DOESNT DESERVE CREDIT FOR THAT LMFAO

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    • Sirspamsalot24 wrote: EVERY KAGE COULDVE PROTECTED THE VILLAGE BETTER THEN TSUNADE DID AGAINST PAIN SHE DIDNT EVEN PROTECT THE VILLAGE SHE JUST MADE ALL THE VILLAGERS DIE SLOWER INSTEAD OF SROPPING THE THREAT SHE DOESNT DESERVE CREDIT FOR THAT LMFAO

      Oh hi Dizmiz01

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    • what about kakashi?he is even weaker....And besides we aren't discussing about weak hokage we all are discussing about kimimaro vs tsunade....
      @Xshadyshadow why should gaara's sand go through the bone?it compresses it...
      I thought I explained why gaara's approach was ineffective for kimimaro but it really doesn't matter since tsunade 's greatest strength is use of medical ninjutsu by which she could even finish off Orochimaaru. if you can tell how kimimaro survives a body pathway derangement and than use of this than I will agree.

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    • @Rachin123 Kakashi making Rasengan and Tsunade making her technique are two entirely different things. Kakashi attempted to make a Rasengan when he infused lightning element into the mix and got something entirely different. He is the inventor of Chidori/Lightning blade despite it being unintentional. Tsunade's seal is something HEAVILY inspired by Hashirama, they both become immortal but the difference is Hashirama's is better hence it doesn't have any drawbacks (Tsunade shortens her lifespan with each useage.) and he can use it without weaving any sort of handsigns or seals and it can regenerate missing limbs while Tsunade's can't. Hell, when Madara saw Tsunade use it for the first time he instantly compared it to Hashirama's jutsu. It's pretty much the dumbed down version of it.

      And of course I kept saying she would've died because you said "She was able to take down a Susanoo humanoid version with strength alone." So, the point I was making is that she would've died a few times over before she was even able to take it down. For the record, you also stated "Tsunade proved to be well in good when it came to dealing with ninjutsu like when she repelled the fire dragons with her chakra coated arm." Because you were saying I "put words." in your mouth when I refuted this earlier. Me saying Tsunade wasn't Kage level was in response to you defending her as shown above and this "Why doesn't she have what it takes to protect her village? Because one of the most powerful Akatsuki members destroyed Konoha." That's what you said, I had actually never mentioned the Akatsuki before you did. All I simply said was that she doesn't have what it takes to defend her village because she lacks firepower and isn't impressive from a combat standpoint. But Pain attacking the village is a great example. If any Akatsuki member attacked the village (Aside from Konan and Hidan.) And Tsunade had to deal with them in a 1v1 scenario, you cannot tell me with a straight face she'd be able to beat them. Akatsuki's are great examples because they represent mid-tiered people very well.

      Any of the Kage would fair better against Pain and any Akatsuki member than Tsunade would. She and Sakura healed people, but Naruto is the one who ultimately defeated Pain. Something Tsunade wasn't capable of doing, I will agree that he's the strongest but had it been Kakuzu, Itachi, Kisame, Deidara, etc she still would've lost handidly. Her dealing damage to Susano'o isn't impressive, Ay was able to. Onoki could absolutely destroy one with a particle release, same with Mei with her acid and lava techs and hell Gaara can pull a Susano'o user out of the technique. He's nearly a walking anti-Uchiha seeing as though he can also intercept Amateratsu. Now if Tsunade damaged PS when it tanked a TBB then I'd bat an eye but saying she damaged a ribcage Susano'o doesn't mean much. Who hasn't had some work around to ribcage Susano'o?

      See here's the thing. It depends on who you're comparing Tsunade too, if you compare Tsunade with other people who use taijutsu and other Kage tier she doesn't stand too well because it's not where she belongs. She is average in speed, but being strong and having okay speed isn't good enough for you to be a Kage. She isn't on par with Kimimaro in terms of coordination, speed and stamina, so while she's okay generally it's bad in comparison to Kimimaro and most other taijutsu users. I'd argue Kimimaro is deadlier in close quarters combat, he has the speed to bring with his attacks and his strength doesn't really matter due to his dense bones that can insta-kill you pending on where they hit since they're as hard as steel. Not only that but his bones also make it hard to go on the offensive because you damage yourself in the process of hitting him. When it comes to Tsunade It's like what Goku said, what's the point in being so strong if you can't hit your opponent? Tsunade's opponent being Kimimaro. Being Immortal is nice, but look at Hidan. Being Immortal won't magically make you formidable. Eh, Tsunade isn't formidable for Kage tier. She's okay outside of it but I'm still sticking with Kimimaro. Also her changing the landscape doesn't give her the advantage, it simple makes the opponent advantagous-less or put them on even ground in terms of location. If that makes sense.

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    • @XshadyShadow
      Madara couldn't even use his sharingan till the ebd of fight with hashirama clearly even with EMS on using too much chakra sharingan gets deactivated.
      even if we take other kages versus pain or akatsuki members (like Onoki etc)they won't survive for that long..Tsunade will easily outlast them.
      if kimimaro goes for close combat he will die with single hit with use of medical ninjutsu.no bones would save him...

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    • @XShady

      So what if Tsunade's Strength of a Hundred Technique was heavily inspired by Hashirama's healing ability. She still created the technique point blank period. If your point is that she didn't think of creating the technique without inspiration, fine, but that's beside the point.

      You said I said Tsunade was "great in ninjutsu" when I actually said, "Tsunade proved to be well in good when it came to dealing with ninjutsu like when she repelled the fire dragons with her chakra coated arm." Has does in any way say she's great in ninjutsu? What it says is even if her enemies have the ninjutsu over her, she has shown to manage against it.

      Me pointing out that the most powerful member of Akatsuki destroyed Konoha, doesn't really mean, hey list other members of the Akatsuki should would lose to. Like I said, Pain was spread out so she would have had to locate them anyway. She could've done it. You can't tell me that she can't beat any of the pain's when they are not together. But, in her mind, she made sure that the villagers and ninja were secure by healing them and supplying chakra. If I believe she wanted to Naruto to come back as she must have knew in her mind that she couldn't, as even Jiraiya couldn't beat Pain, and Naruto was the "Child of Prophecy" and all. But like I said you can't beat everyone.

      So now are saying Mei who uses mainly ninjutsu would fair way better than Tsunade, despite the Preta Path? The Preta Path absorbs Onoki's Dust Release. And that's just that path, with all five, going up against all Six Paths of Pain togeter is suicide for most.

      She's famous for her strength and medical ninjutsu (which gives her immortality so to speak). So she doesn't have great speed or taijutsu, but is no slacker in the fields, and if she misses, she hits the ground, destroying it and causing shockwaves, which can pptentially injure opponents. But as I and others have mentioned, one touch is all she needs to send a surge of electricity to mess up his body functions. Not to mention she has Katsuyu. Katsuyu has her acid which can cover a good range, can suffocate the opponent either by falling on them fully or splitting into mini Katsuyu to rain down on them.

      I'm not going to keep arguing over rather you think she's kage material, but you should at least acknowledge that she's strong (and I don't just mean physically). As for who I think wins, I think I'll more to Kimimaro due to his fighting style and durable bones, but it won't be easy.

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    • How would Kimimaro win though? Tsunade got stabbed by Susanoo yet continued on. She got cut in half but continued on. She had enough healing power to sustain a village.

      She destroyed a Susanoo (which Gaara couldn't), an ability that can tank far greater abilities than mere swords of bone.

      In short, Kimimaro can't hurt Tsunade but Tsunade can easily hurt Kimimaro. Guess who wins this?

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    • tsunade can't infinity heal himself though,so far I know she is not a ten-tails jinchuriki and will eventually run out of Chakra..like hell not even Hashirama was healinga anymore in vote battle due to low chakra.

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    • @Raichin123 ....wtf?

      And the caps weren't necessary my bad but I'm trying to be honest she didn't help the village nearly as much as naruto did and he was still Incomplete at the time let alone being a 15 year old kid but ^ I mean the chakra argument she did show herself able to recover from an intense amount of damage but we don't know exactly what MADARA did to her body and how many times we only saw her stabbed a few times but she might be Able to outlast kimmimaro

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    • @Sirpamsalot24 Oh please. I'm on to you. I know you are Dizmiz01.

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    • Just checked that guy's profile he's not even banned anymore....

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    • Did I say he was banned? Guilty much.

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    • Is there any reason why this thread was derailed with accusations that don't have any place in the thread? Also Rai, anyone can look at block logs and if a user with no userpage is no longer blocked, the block notice will not be displayed in that area, neither will the "BLOCKED" tag appear in the masthead.

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    • @Sajuuk

      Why would the user be so eager to check and re check the user's page to see he was blocked and not blocked anymore? Also I'm well aware of when a user is unblocked, the "BLOCKED" tag disappears, I'm no idiot.

      But okay this isn't the place for accusations so I'll get back on topic.

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    • Kimmimaro vs Tsunade

      I say Kimmimaro with very high-difficulty.

      Now refute, agree, or bring more information regarding the fight. Nothing else. The rest belongs on private messages or talkpages.

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    • ^agree

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    • Narutopwnu7 wrote: tsunade can't infinity heal himself though,so far I know she is not a ten-tails jinchuriki and will eventually run out of Chakra..like hell not even Hashirama was healinga anymore in vote battle due to low chakra.

      Why would she heal infinitely? she can definitely take a few hits, and would -given the information we have- pretty much one-punch Kimimaro. This battle really needn't be longer than them exchanging some taijutsu moves and then Tsunade breaking every bone in Kimimaro's body, then finishing him.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: if sasuke(or kakashi,jiraiya or Orochimaaru) were to confront her in close combat he would be killed within secs.

      Tsunade can't beat Jiraiya or Orochimaru or MS Sasuke and I'm not sure about MS Kakashi.

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    • @Minato

      Key words "close combat". Confronting her in close quarters is dangerous due to her strength and ability to mess up a user's body functions with just a touch. And seeing to how she'll just heal quickly from damage, makes her an even bigger threat. Due to some ninja having mid to long ninjutsu, they really don't need to fight her head up. Kimimaro's ninjutsu is primarily short range and will not impact Tsunade much at all.

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    • Well to be fair Kimimaro has those bone-bullets that almost pierced Gaara's shield. But either way those wouldn't have long lasting damage on Tsunade anyways.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Minato

      Key words "close combat". Confronting her in close quarters is dangerous due to her strength and ability to mess up a user's body functions with just a touch. And seeing to how she'll just heal quickly from damage, makes her an even bigger threat. Due to some ninja having mid to long ninjutsu, they really don't need to fight her head up. Kimimaro's ninjutsu is primarily short range and will not impact Tsunade much at all.

      SM Jiraiya is faster than Tsunade and he has Ma and Pa, so I'm not sure if Tsunade can beat him in close combat (she can certainly beat him in Taijutsu fight).

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    • kimmimaro leggo

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    • Minato 87 wrote: Tsunade can't beat Jiraiya or Orochimaru or MS Sasuke and I'm not sure about MS Kakashi.

      Laughable statement. She nearly murdered Jiraiya for peeping.

      People underestimate Tsunade way too much. Insane strenght, no need for complicated seals, techniques or lengthy preparations. In the time Jiraiya does his little intro speech, Tsunade can OnePunch him in his face and win the battle.

      Kimimaro tied with Gaara who at the time was a Genin. His father Rasa easily kept him in check even when he went into Rage Mode with Shukaku. Gaara, who got his ass kicked by Sasuke.

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    • @Thekillman, Gaara didn't tie with Kimimaro

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    • Thekillman wrote: Kimimaro tied with Gaara who at the time was a Genin.

      Tied? No way. Gaara would be dead of it wasn't for Kimimaro's illness catching up to him. Also, rank isn't everything. This has been proven time and timr again.

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    • Gaara lost that fight by a mile kimmimaro was just sick he showed his true power at the end by surviving that tsunami and was about to take out gaara while fighting the entire time with a terminal illness that had him seconds away from death. And tsunade didn't almost kill jiraiya, if jiraiya fought tsunade on even footing starting 20 meters away both intent to kill jiraiya takes it all day. Pain said he could have beat him if he knew the secrets and tsunade had information on pain but had no shot. Yeah a beating b doesn't mean a beats c in every case but now it does because tsunade's lack of jutsu, for a senju it was stated by Madara she was weak and disgusting and only acknowledged her a little bit when she activated her seal. Strength is good but if that's such a winner then choji should be top tier. The reason tsunade has no lengthy preparations is because everything she does is physical, the no hand seals was cool for minato because he used FTG so that speed was beneficial but tsunade doesn't have that so the no extra jutsu kinda destroys her combat effectiveness unless you're a big target or just slow

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Minato 87 wrote: Tsunade can't beat Jiraiya or Orochimaru or MS Sasuke and I'm not sure about MS Kakashi.

      Laughable statement. She nearly murdered Jiraiya for peeping.

      People underestimate Tsunade way too much. Insane strenght, no need for complicated seals, techniques or lengthy preparations. In the time Jiraiya does his little intro speech, Tsunade can OnePunch him in his face and win the battle.

      Kimimaro tied with Gaara who at the time was a Genin. His father Rasa easily kept him in check even when he went into Rage Mode with Shukaku. Gaara, who got his ass kicked by Sasuke.

      For someone that claims that the ABC Logic doesn't work in narutoverse you use it a lot,don't you?

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    • well if that's the case than even gaara didn't show his true strength in the form of shukaku too...

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    • Thekillman wrote: Laughable statement. She nearly murdered Jiraiya for peeping.

      People underestimate Tsunade way too much. Insane strenght, no need for complicated seals, techniques or lengthy preparations. In the time Jiraiya does his little intro speech, Tsunade can OnePunch him in his face and win the battle.

      Hahahaha... Jiraiya alone did more against Pain than Konoha (without Naruto). Tsunade is overrated, SM Jiraiya would destroy her (he is much faster than her, she won't be able to punch him).

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    • Minato 87 wrote:

      Thekillman wrote: Laughable statement. She nearly murdered Jiraiya for peeping.

      People underestimate Tsunade way too much. Insane strenght, no need for complicated seals, techniques or lengthy preparations. In the time Jiraiya does his little intro speech, Tsunade can OnePunch him in his face and win the battle.

      Hahahaha... Jiraiya alone did more against Pain than Konoha (without Naruto). Tsunade is overrated, SM Jiraiya would destroy her (he is much faster than her, she won't be able to punch him).

      Though the initial comparison is flawed, yours isn't any better. Tsunade never fought Pain, she was focused on healing, and was drained before every getting the chance. Kishi intended on it, but it never happened. So, comparing performances against Pain makes little sense.

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    • Kratos123456 wrote: For someone that claims that the ABC Logic doesn't work in narutoverse you use it a lot,don't you?

      This is basically "minor character" versus "character that barely ever fought a full battle". It feels like scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one.

      Minato 87 wrote: Tsunade is overrated

      We're apparently not reading the same thread.

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    • Thekillman wrote: We're apparently not reading the same thread.

      You did that when you said that she can beat Jiraiya.

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    • Minato 87 wrote: You did that when you said that she can beat Jiraiya.

      In close combat. I'm quite sure he was disregarding Sage Mode.

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    • No sage mode battle jiraiya still wins, take away jutsu and summoning or everything but fists tsunade may win.

      Comparing tsunade and jiraiya vs pain is a fair comparison because she has so much built up chakra she wasn't drained when they started fighting she just doesn't match up well against someone like pain who has a large multitude of jutsu she can't kill them either because physical attacks or near useless on the corpses unless you dismember them.

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    • Why are we still talking about Pain? Also, Jiraiya has nothing to do with the battle, yes she hurt him severely when punching him, but Kimimaro's body (or bones in particular) are far more durable than average person so using Jiraiya as example isn't quite the best, especially seeing as he didn't want to fight her.

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    • so who wins

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    • Tsunade wins

      Kabuto > Kimimaro and her striking strenght has far more potency than what he can take.I don't think she'd need to use her stored up chakra either.

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    • she's gotta heal herself so i think she definitely uses the stored chakra but no way kabuto could be kimmimaro

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    • kabuto has excellent recuperative powers so he should be quite close to kimimaro's level of defense especially with those pills of his

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    • Nah I'm pretty sure Kabuto is much stronger than Kimimaro and that Naruto didn't suddenly jump to sannin lvl in 1 tail.

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    • Kabuto admits to having no talent he's just a good medical ninja, yeah he was working tsunade but she hadn't fought in how long and was so mentally messed up it was kind of sad, imo Kimmi works kabuto because all he really needs to do is start impaling him from the ground, kabuto doesn't have healing powers to heal that much damage .

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    • Minato 87 wrote: You did that when you said that she can beat Jiraiya.

      Remember when she poisoned him into being nigh-useless? Remember when she nearly murdered him for peeping? Everything suggests Jiraiya's dead before he can do his summon. Tsunade has no wind-ups, no preparations, nothing. She doesn't even need to unleash her seal for One-Punch power. Her punches crush Susanoo. No handseals, no nothing.

      I can write a thread about the Pain Situation, but the short version is that Tsunade made the correct choice. Jiraiya judged that without the secret Pain could not be beaten, made clear by the fact that he died just to get the message across. It would be plain stupid for Tsunade to jump in. Buying time for the various investigations to run their course while minimizing casualties was the best course of action. Remember the whole story about the Hokage being the one to protect the next Generation?

      9 Arts dragon wrote: Nah I'm pretty sure Kabuto is much stronger than Kimimaro and that Naruto didn't suddenly jump to sannin lvl in 1 tail.

      I don't see the whole reasoning that Kimimaro is somehow Sannin level either. He seemed to be no major threat in the 4th War. Kabuto by the way is a spy, it would be insane for him to declare himself strong. Better pretend to be average and avoid suspicion. He was, after all, quite clearly a very capable medical ninja.

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    • hanzo made the 3 sannins his bitch,yet he was not a a major threat in the 4th war and got defeated by a samurai.

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    • Thekillman wrote: Remember when she poisoned him into being nigh-useless? Remember when she nearly murdered him for peeping?

      You can't use comical moments as a proof that she can beat Jiraiya and Jiraiya wasn't ready for a fight at that moment. According to your logic Sakura can murder Naruto.

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    • Kimimaro beating Sanin is fanfiction he also didn't even face shukaku powered gaara iirc.He loses to Naruto w/o 1 tails tbh.

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    • Can we please stay on topic. I would hate to have to close this thread for it.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Can we please stay on topic. I would hate to have to close this thread for it.

      I'm wondering what's even left to discuss if we can't discuss tangential matters.

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    • OK, on topic its Tsunade Vs HEALTHY Kimmimaro (kimimaro without his illness) lets say they had a fight , kimmimaro would win (remember all these facts are when hes ill so imagine when his healthy), because kimimaros defense and offence is superior to tsunade aswell as kimmimaro healing factor, and this is because of his kekkei genkai (Shikotsumyaku)and this gives him the ability to manipulate his own skeletal structure this includes the change in density and to manipulate the speed of his bones' growth as well as the location of calcium deposits allowing for great versatility.(Versatility-allows you to adapt to many different situations) also he had A CURSE MARK when activated Kimimaro receives increased chakra levels, physical capabilities and his ninjutsu skills become more effective. and this is the curse mark of earth its only equal is the curse mark of heaven (what sasuke has)

      Defence:

      also this density of his bones is not to be taken lightly just a membrane A MEMBRANE i say and quote "a sheet-like structure acting as a boundary, lining, or partition in an organism" a membrane is so small and it was still able to stop all of gaaras pressure attacks (his sand burial and stuff), garras attacks was able to turn a man into blood, also gaara put kimimaro 200 meters below the earth in the soil just this is crazy for many reasions and kimimaro survived with just a membrane of bone under his skin and kimimaro effortlessly came to the surface, his full activation of the curse mark    "Kimimaro's fighting style changed after entering his Level 2 state; he became much slower, but his physical strength increased to the point of smashing through Gaara's sand defences with a simple tackle, and his skin became thicker and harder, making it impossible even for Gaara's sand to penetrate it. It also increased his healing ability, as shown when the torn flesh he suffered earlier were instantly healed after releasing the power of his seal." and i quote, as you can see his healing factor becomes instant and his skin becomes so hard gaaras sand wasant able to penetrate it HIS SKIN, SKIN, his skin would be so hard you wouldent even fathom all, and all of his bones are sticking out all around him and dosent need to think about where to grow it to protect himself (as seen in his childhood) or where to grow it to stop an attack (as seen where rock lee was drunk and when 1 gate and tryed to punch kimmi) and stops it in a instant with nothing but his bone, just that would sto tsunade in her tracks (if she can hit him)
      


      Offence: (he has other attack but only for long ranged people) And now his"dances" theirs the Willow dance Camelia dance Larch dance Clematis Dance (The Flower and The Whip) Bracken Dance, i know any and all of these moves can kill tsunade, if not, tell me why. dont try to avoid the question to

      First his "willow Dance" Kimimaro grows several long bone blades from his body for use as weapons. the opponents attacks are simply parried and countered.

      Second dance the "Camelia Dance" which he performs by modifying one of his upper arm bones to create a short, bone-hilted bone sword. He then stabs chaotically and continuously which causes the opponents eyes to lag behind.

      Third dance the "Larch Dance" From the body, several bones pop out all at once. The stronger the opponent's physical attack, the more powerful the counter attack is, dealing severe damage. The sudden defence, combined with the needle-like bones high killing ability, makes way for a technique which potential his high for battle. The bones can be used to block or trap an opponent's strikes. In addition to being an unwelcome surprise for opponents, it makes him basically untouchable at close range. If an opponent would start to get close to him, he would start to spin rapidly slashing the foe in multiple areas of their body. AND THIS WOULD KILL TSUNADE, NO QUESTION

      Forth Dance "Dance of the Clamelis Vine" this is the first steop up of his next dance he gaps there is cartilage that allows flexibility, which makes it possible to bend it as if it were a whip. With average estimation skills along with the impossible range it stretches, dodging is difficult. The protrusions on the vertebrae are modified to make them stronger and sharper

      Forth Dance "Dance of the Clamelia Flower" the follow up of the last dance This technique is the second half of Kimimaro's fourth dance. To obtain the strongest-absolute hardest weapon a considerable amount of chakra is needed. Enhanced to the highest degree-maximum solidity due to the dense compression, the bone weapon is exceedingly large. Since its destructive power has no meaning if the blow does not connect with the opponent, Kimimaro first binds the opponent with a "vine".as said in the anime "when he goes on the offence his flower is the strongest spear in the world" and i quote.

      His fifth Dance "Dance of the Seedling Fern" is his strongest dance in my opinion and unless you can teleport 2km away your dead and this is why The last of Kimimaro's five dances. Countless bones rise from underground, which can be as many as thousands, up to the tens of thousands. The blades of bone indiscriminately slaughter whoever stands on the ground's surface. Furthermore, if this fails to bring down his foe, Kimimaro can become one with the bones, which in turn can allow him to attack an enemy unnoticed.

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    • Ok just to state for the people that say HEATHY kimimaros bones would break, this is highly unlikely for a few reasons 1st i do beleve that his bones wouldent break because only a membrane stopped gaaras attcks, a membrane,and lest assume that tsunade can break throu the MEMBRANE of bone, as stated in the anime and the wiki he can regenerate bones in the blink of an eye, hes healy factor in hes bones is too great, abd now what if he made the membrane thinker? what if he made it denser? it would be impossible for her to penetrate, if she does (lets say she can) kimimaros healing factor is to great, most likly if they fought, kimimaro has more guns in his arsenal that can end her with one move with his "dance" these dances ar not to be taken likely, i might also add healthy kimimaro would be able to use the The Doujutsu Eye of the Rue: Bud,(the first activation) is a Doujutsu that possibly developed in Makeru's branch of the Kaguya (kaguya his kimimaros clan) and this i basicly a OP version of a sharangan and when used his vision increases 10 fold, now the second actvation this Eye of the Rue: Flower this is basically a bad version of the byacugan (bad japanish, i know) , and if he was never sick he would be able to use this and would give kimimaro a grater chance of winning, and kimimaro style is to evade then counter attack, making hell breack lose becuse tsunade would just get stabed by one of his bones (if not all)

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    • Tsunade takes this she was tanking susano blades and still dishing some damage. I don't see kimi doing more damage than she can tank and all she needs is a few good punches. She did punch almost half of Madara's edo tensei body away. Also, you can harden the bones all you want but your organs still move in your body and slam against said bones(this of course applies real world physics). For example unless kimi's brain is rigid meaning it doesn't float in a suspension fluid that tender brain is slamming into the front of his hard as hell skull. But this should be taken with a grain of salt since people like lee and others have been slammed around before and don't show any internal damage as a direct cause.

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    • you do realize that when kimimaro is fighting he only counter attacks? that means dodge and then attack?, and aswell its HEATHEY kimmimaro verses tsunade and kimimaro as knowledge of tsunade, even 1st gate drunk lee used the primary lotas against SICK kimmimaro and he dident even flinch, remember i think tsunades puches are very powerful, but being powerful dosent mean your a good fighter, if you can dodge all attacks and then return puches (being his dances) you are the victor, if kimimaro was slower then tsunade might win (depending on how much pressure his bones can take and then crush him (remember he has a very high healing factor) and how much tsunade punches can wield) but this isant the case, even kimimaros sick form (at death point) is faster than her, so healthy kimimaro with knowledge of tsunade kimimaro is the victor, also if you read any of the stuff i wrote (there all facts taken from the anime and manga) all of his attacks are to dodge and then counter as i said he has amazing versatility (look at the meaning above) and as said in the anime and manga and both english and japanese his bone becomes the hardest spear, as in hits the sharpest and the strongest (it bore about 1/3 of the densest materials in the ground) it would have not problem peircing tsunade many times over. (this is without the Curse mark)


      IN TSUNADES DEFENCE (IM NOT BIAS)

      tsunade is durable and strong, no question and smart, but unlike kimimaro she hasent been fighting all her life, if she was quicker she might get a shoulder shot and break his arm (he would just regenerate it back) but she isant the madder of the fact its a battle against a once and a while heavy hitter braller verses a mma fighter on drugs (the ones that make you stronger) the mma fighter would win. and kimimaro just has greater versitaty by alot, if she was fighting someone else i do believe she would win.


      kimimaros style just puts tsunde in a bad spot, in the anime even rock lee said that his fighting was better than his (not mentioning his kekke genkai)


      i must say it again so u dont say somthing stupid, tsunde is just too slow and kimiaro would win just by that, lets say tsunade puts a shot in and its going for his chest, like he did to rock lee, he would instanly grow a bone pointing in her postion and he would make it grow in to her arm immobilizing her then kimimaro would kill her.(unless she uses her thingie instanly)

      MUST READ IF MAD, PLEASE but if some how kimimaro versed tsunade, tsunade would win BECAUSE she has a bigger fanbase than kimimaro. if she died people might stop watching (i stoped for a while after itachi died) and the creators dont want that. and kimimaros fans (the few of them) would just get mad because there fav charater lost. (exectly what happened with garaa and lee, they just kept on living because they had a fanbase unlike kimimaro) READ IF MAD, PLEASE

      but like you did ill refer to real world topics, she would be in shock (most likey past out) but this is an anime and the writers could make either one a winner (by the stupidest moves) either kimimaro or tsunde but in a fight aginst one another i know for a fact that kimimaros fighting style is just too much for tsunade to handle

      OMG I BEARLY SAID ANYING ABOUT HIS CURSE MARK OR KEKKEI GENKAI,(i talked about alittle)

      hope you likes my ranting XDXDDXDX i wanted a argument DDXXDXXDXD

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    • Tsunade, the legendary Sannin, and Hokage of the hidden leaf, vs Kimmimaro, one of Orochimaru strongest test subject. I will study their weapon armor and skill to see who would win.

      Tsunade: The 5th Hokage of the hidden leaf, granddaughter of the first hokage and one of the remaining legendary sannin. Having her title she proves the worthy of those title thanks to her amazing strength. With just one figure she can rupture the ground in front of her. She is also strong enough that she can easily lift Gamabunta's sword, break Jirayia's rips, arm, and almost completely destroy his organs. Tsunade raw strength makes her ability to gather chakra for strength is unknown as she is Naturally strong, it has been stated that she is far stronger than the Raikage, her strength can even shatter one of the many form of Susanoo, with a few punches. When in trouble, She would use her Mitotic Regeneration the Hundred Healings, she there she would have an amazing healing on herself that resembles that of Hashirama Senju, being able to heal her in many injuries that could kill a normal shinobi. She is also able to summon a giant slug that can spit acid, and with that as well can go into small part and heal her if needed, making her a perfect comrade of a medical ninja. She is also a very strategic Shinobi, knowing when too catch one off guard when needed.

      Despite these amazing power and titles. Tsunade is still a shinobi with limited chakra. Tsunade also has a temper, not a bad one, but she is known to be a bit reckless towards opponents when needed. This shows towards her fight against pain who she wanted to help Naruto fight after his destruction towards the village. And Madara Uchiha, after his insult towards her she decided to break her own medical ninja rule by using her seal on her forehead. But even that seal is limited, if she uses it for too long she will become greatly weakened and would probably pass out.

      Kimimaro: Of the Kaguya Clan, being one of it's member that was born more "normal" than his members, who were all blood thirsty psychopaths! Kimimaro has a Kekkei Genkai known as Shikotsumyakum, which gives its wielder the ability to manipulate their own skeletal structure (their osteoblasts and osteoclasts). By infusing their calcium with chakra, they could manipulate the growth and properties of their bones to their liking, this was the reason why he could never heal from his illness, as it gives the user a unique skeletal structure, that gave no medical information on it. Noted by Orochimaru and Kabuto into being the strongest of the clan, and of the sound four, this is due to him calm nature and personality, allowing him to actually think of strategies. Example while fighting against Rock Lee, who was one of the few people that managed to keeep up with him, he was kind enough to allow Lee to drink his medicine which turned out to be his mistake going against Drunken Lee. But of course he noted that being drunk, he would wake him up by simply hurting him. Of course this was almost impossible, but he managed to do it, after taking so many hits and activating his first stage of the curse seal. He is powerful enough to fight against Gaara, a Jinchuriki of Shukaku, and create a forest of bone. Fast and skilled enough to take down a group of samurai. And strong enough to pull out of Gaara's Sand which is proven very difficult to an average shinobi.

      Despite these incredible power, Kimimaro has his loyalty towards Orochimaru that gives him a small temper if his master is insulted. And like all shinobi, he is as well limited in Chakra. He also relies on his Kekkei Genkai way to much, using it for almost everything

      After calculating and reading through the two's information, jutsu, and their Ninja data book. My opinion goes to Tsunade. Yes yes I know, Kimimaro is not sick, but nothing stated not even in the wikia has stated that his sickness caused him to be weaker, in fact looking through the fight between Lee, and Gaara, should be remembered that Lee drunken mode was a method of unpredictable movement, where he admits that it is hard to read a move like that. Gaara used a wave of sand, but it only managed to hit because of Kimimaro's shock and anger towards Gaara After Gaara insulted Kimimaro's loyalty to Orochimaru, Kimimaro begins to lose his focus before being buried two hundred metres below the ground, where the pressure can crush even steel. He needed to use his bone forest to break free. Yes, Kimimaro's ability did make him unmatched against Samurais and other shinobi during the 4th shinobi world war, but remember that he was in Edo Tensei, so with unlimited chakra and immortality, of course he would be powerful. Tsunade strength, way of thinking, and her healing comes toe to toe with her opponent, where she could leave them defenceless after taking a deadly blow. Of course with all those abilities the two had, making this fight a very close one. So the winner is Tsunade.

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    • + katsuya acid is pretty broken here. Where's he gonna go. That's the one thing I hated about that bone forest was how does that work if he's above ground? Either way, i think we are over hyping Kim's healing ability and tanking ability. The difference being there's got to be an upper limit to it because well if there wasn't this guy solos the verse except for Indra azura incarnates. Healing ability would generally have more stamina because you're healing the damage done not just taking it and moving on tsunade heals it and goes on not to mention can't tsunade sever tendens and muscles? Or am I confusing that with kabuto? Just my opinion. I understand the way this guy fights it's a use your defense to create offense, where as tsunade's style is f*** everything I'm gonna punch your head in and I'll just heal myself on a suicide attack (or one that would be for someone who can't heal). He stabs her then what? She's just going to grab his wrist or the sword shove it deeper to get him nice and close and it's a KO right there. That's at least one way for tsunade to win right there easy. In all honesty a healthy kim wouldn't even need to get close he would just used range attacks which are still very much Lethal the way he shaped the bones would suggest to me they are on a medium caliber bullet level. But I still think tsunade takes it barely but she scrapes by especially if she can cut tendens and stuff. Cause his tanking ability is high but he can heal any damage that gets done so if his soft tissue goes there's nothing to put force on the bones that produce movement. I don't think he can heal damaged organs either.

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    • Tsunade wins. She is able to shatter Madara's Susano'o (which i rate to be higher defense than Kimimaro's bones honestly), she is capable enough in Taijutsu to eventually strike him, plus she has Automatic healing...Was bisected in half by a Huge Wood Style and still abe to remain alive for hours after, do Summoning and heal four other mortally wounded people on just Dan's Transferred Chakra - powered 100 Healings Seal. I havent even mentioned Katsuyu's capacities as yet...

      She being the Most powerful Medic (able to discern someone's illness by a mere glance) also gives her an edge, and since he is sick...well she would know exactly what to use against him.

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    • People need to know the difference between being able to tank and being able to recover. Tsunade is by no means a tanker, she has the durability of an average person in the Narutoverse. The only reason she can keep on kicking is because of regeneration. Though she has insane striking strength, it's not going to do much if she can't hit her opponent

      Since Kimimaro has knowledge of Tsunade, he would know of her regeneration and know that he needs to cut off her limbs, bisect her, or decapitate her in order to incapacitate or kill her.I would say that Kimimaro's chances of incapacitating or killing Tsunade is higher than Tsunade landing a hit on Kimimaro (assuming one punch would be enough to win), since the former was able to fight on par with a drunken Lee in CQC. So I think that Kimimaro wins

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    • UltimaDude wrote: People need to know the difference between being able to tank and being able to recover. Tsunade is by no means a tanker, she has the durability of an average person in the Narutoverse. The only reason she can keep on kicking is because of regeneration. Though she has insane striking strength, it's not going to do much if she can't hit her opponent

      Since Kimimaro has knowledge of Tsunade, he would know of her regeneration and know that he needs to cut off her limbs, bisect her, or decapitate her in order to incapacitate or kill her.I would say that Kimimaro's chances of incapacitating or killing Tsunade is higher than Tsunade landing a hit on Kimimaro (assuming one punch would be enough to win), since the former was able to fight on par with a drunken Lee in CQC. So I think that Kimimaro wins

      what is preventing katsuyu from finishing the battle without tsunade's help ??what will kimimaro do about her acid??This fight is pretty much one sided...
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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: what is preventing katsuyu from finishing the battle without tsunade's help ??what will kimimaro do about her acid??This fight is pretty much one sided...

      So you're saying that Tsunade can't beat Kimimaro without Katsuyu? Alright, point proven

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      So you're saying that Tsunade can't beat Kimimaro without Katsuyu? Alright, point proven

      yeah more like katsuyu vs kimimaro....

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    • Why is it Kimimaro has knowledge on Tsunade, but she doesn't have knowledge on him. That's already putting her at a disadvantage.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Why is it Kimimaro has knowledge on Tsunade, but she doesn't have knowledge on him. That's already putting her at a disadvantage.

      Even if she does have knowledge on Kimimaro, it's not like it will change anything. I mean Shikotsumyaku has no exploitable weaknesses, so the only thing Tsunade can do is try to punch Kimimaro

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    • @UltimaDude

      That's not necessarily true. If she has knowledge on him, she won't be as surprised by his attacks and probably will change her approach on him.

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    • That's not necessarily true. If she has knowledge on him, she won't be as surprised by his attacks and probably will change her approach on him.

      What other approach does she have, other than summoning Katsuyu?

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    • Tsunade definitely has more durability then the average person e.e she was impaled through her center mass with two susano blades. Like to even say she has the durability of an average ninja is a gross understatement

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    • I think theres no way kimimaru could defeat tsunade in (NinpoSouzoSaisei:Byakumo + super strenght&durability + giant Katsuyu). Despite both may get intense wound affect

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    • @UltimaDude

      Tsunade could take several slashes by Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi. She has incredible endurance (not so much durability) even without her regeneration.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Tsunade could take several slashes by Orochimaru's Sword of Kusanagi. She has incredible endurance (not so much durability) even without her regeneration.

      Orochimaru could have easily amputated or decapitated her if he wanted to.

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    • @UltimaDude

      That's not the point. You talk as if Tsunade can't handle being slashed and or pierced without regeneration and she has proven she could.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: That's not the point. You talk as if Tsunade can't handle being slashed and or pierced without regeneration and she has proven she could.

      Oh, but that wasn't my point though. I was saying that since Kimimaro has knowledge about Tsunade, he would know that he needs to amputate or decapitate her to win, which is he more than capable enough of doing

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    • Just pointing out, it's pretty hard to amputate or decapitate some one who is actively trying to dodge a blade. All in all I think that kim and tsunade are on equal footing in taijutsu simply because his dances need a stable surface to be preformed on. That being said I feel like katsuya puts her over the edge. Acid spray could be used as means to restrict his movements power stomp creates a hole for the acid to pool so now not only does he gotta look out for that as well as the pressure tsunade is going to create by her charging. I give the fight to tsunade 60-70 times out of a 100 times.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Oh, but that wasn't my point though. I was saying that since Kimimaro has knowledge about Tsunade, he would know that he needs to amputate or decapitate her to win, which is he more than capable enough of doing

      And my point was it's a bit unfair he has knowledge on her. Also, Kimimaro has yet to decipatate anyone. Now all of a sudden he will now? Smh. People always tryinh to make characters do something they don't do.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: And my point was it's a bit infair he has knowledge on her. Also, Kimimaro has yet to decipatate anyone. Now all of a sudden he will now? Smh. People always tryinh to make characters do something they don't do.

      Tsunade having knowledge on him won't make a difference since there's nothing she can do with said knowledge. There's a difference between having a character doing something he or she hasn't done before and having a character doing something completely out-of-character. It's in completely within Kimimaro's character traits to decapitate people. Also, decapitation isn't the only way that Kimimaro can win, so I don't know why you're just focusing on that

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    • @UltimaDude

      I didn't say only that it will make a difference of what she can do to him, I also said she won't be surprised. And it's like people are forgetting that she can send an electrical surge into a person's body by a simple touch, causing their body functions to mess up. And I didn't say he couldn't decapitate her, I said that he wouldn't go for decipatation. In all of his fights, he's has always relied mostly on piecing his opponents to death. But, it is pretty obvious you believe Kimimaro wins so lets just drop our conversation.

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    • tsunade takes this, she could heal from anything kimimaro can do and still fight back, paired with her incredible strength and slugs who hinder kimimaros movement this will end with her win mid diff...

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    • GreatestSin wrote: tsunade takes this, she could heal from anything kimimaro can do and still fight back, paired with her incredible strength and slugs who hinder kimimaros movement this will end with her win mid diff...

      that's not all the slugs would do after sticking to kimimaro they will also melt his bones completely with the acid as well as prevent him from making many of his usual moves by overwhelming him by numbers and there is nothing kimimaro can do to stop them.they would end this fight with a complete one sided dominance...

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    • Yes because Kimimaro could go toe to toe with a kage and she didn't train as far as we know so this thread is laughable..

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    • 9 Arts dragon wrote: Yes because Kimimaro could go toe to toe with a kage and she didn't train as far as we know so this thread is laughable..

      Huh?

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    • My comment is pretty straightforward not really a debatable matter.She has the strenght of a kage and didn't train as far as we know every sanin is kage lvl looking back at it tbh.

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    • I'm still not understanding what you're saying @9 Arts.

      On the topic of the thread, tbh I think it's a toss up. Kimimaro is faster and probably more versatile as far as combat, but Tsunade is much much stronger and can regenerate from massive injuries. I'd say 50/50 between them if Kimimaro is healthy, and Tsunade's high difficulty win if he's sick.

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    • Tsunade never trained or was at least shown to do her war arc version and this one should be the same or at most slightly different.With her physical strenght she can pretty much one shot.

      Besides he may have been sick but he was definitely not beating shukaku powered Gaara either way

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    • Tsunade never trained? Pretty sure she did some training with the professor.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I didn't say only that it will make a difference of what she can do to him, I also said she won't be surprised. And it's like people are forgetting that she can send an electrical surge into a person's body by a simple touch, causing their body functions to mess up. And I didn't say he couldn't decapitate her, I said that he wouldn't go for decipatation. In all of his fights, he's has always relied mostly on piecing his opponents to death. But, it is pretty obvious you believe Kimimaro wins so lets just drop our conversation.

      Then what were you trying to say then? What good is her Body Pathway Derangement if the chances of hitting her opponent is low? Like I said, if Kimimaro has knowledge of Tsunade then he would know that piercing her won't do sh!t and decapitation or amputation will kill or incapacitate her. Why do you want to drop our conversation if you're still going to debate in this thread?

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Kimimaro has knowledge of Tsunade then he would know that piercing her won't do sh!t and decapitation or amputation will kill or incapacitate her.

      I don't know...may be even decapitation might not be enough to kill her I mean she practically did survive bisection and even then was able to save the 5 kages from certain death had there been no "burden" on her I am quite sure that she would have survived that too.

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: I don't know...may be even decapitation might not be enough to kill her I mean she practically did survive bisection and even then was able to save the 5 kages from certain death had there been no "burden" on her I am quite sure that she would have survived that too.

      When she was bisected, her heart was still beating and her brain was still functioning. With decapitation, not only will her two most important organs will stop functioning, Tsunade will cut off from her Yin Seal

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    • UltimaDude wrote: When she was bisected, her heart was still beating and her brain was still functioning. With decapitation, not only will her two most important organs will stop functioning, Tsunade will cut off from her Yin Seal

      how does heart stop during decapitation?
      the lower body still survived without the seal..And damage to brain could easily be healed using the seal. Besides bisection clearly meant damage to spinal cord if she can survive that definitely(by anime logic) she could possibly survive decapitation with katsuyu's help too...

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: how does heart stop during decapitation?
      the lower body still survived without the seal..And damage to brain could easily be healed using the seal. Besides bisection clearly meant damage to spinal cord if she can survive that definitely(by anime logic) she could possibly survive decapitation with katsuyu's help too...

      Umm, because it stops receiving electrical pulses from the brain?
      The seal will become inert if Tsunade is decapitated since it won't be connected with the rest of her body. Decapitation and bisection are two very different things

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Umm, because it stops receiving electrical pulses from the brain?
      The seal will become inert if Tsunade is decapitated since it won't be connected with the rest of her body. Decapitation and bisection are two very different things

      medulla(spinal cord) controls that not brain....bisection involves splitting spinal cord..if she can survive that with katsuyu's help I think she might survive decapitation too.but for sure she can survive all bisection attempts especially when there are no "burdens(includes 1000s of ninjas and kages)"

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    • Namikazenaruto9 wrote: medulla(spinal cord) controls that not brain....bisection involves splitting spinal cord..if she can survive that with katsuyu's help I think she might survive decapitation too.but for sure she can survive all bisection attempts especially when there are no "burdens(includes 1000s of ninjas and kages)"

      She still won't be able to survive without her brain intact.

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    • Beldondidthat wrote:

      Thekillman wrote: Tsunade seems much stronger than Gaara at the time, and Gaara beat Kimimaro.

      Thus, Tsunade.

      kimmimaro is healty. at the time they fought, kimmimaro died. garra didn't kill him. tbh that wouldn't be a good comparison/reason for tsunade to win

      If you're gonna correct someone,spell words right.

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