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  • It was shown that even after Nagato took back the receivers that the body still possessed the Rinnegan showing that apparently the Rinnegan eyes that the paths have are simply cloned eyeballs and Nagato simply chose which path he would channel through each body.. So how come nobody tried to transplant them? Yamato could utilize them since he is a clone of Hashirama genetically. Heck I would bet even Tsunade could use them.

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    • Didn't Konan take Nagato's body back because she was his closest friend and adviser? Then shortly after, Obito confronted Konan as Tobi and stole the eyes from Nagato's body so that he could transplant them into himself?

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    • KeoRose wrote: Didn't Konan take Nagato's body back because she was his closest friend and adviser? Then shortly after, Obito confronted Konan as Tobi and stole the eyes from Nagato's body so that he could transplant them into himself?

      He's talking about the "false" Rinnegan Konoha possessed through the original Animal Path. Jiraiya took down the animal path and sent it to Konoha before getting killed. And even after getting killed, the Animal Path still had the Rinnegan pattern in its eyes. So it's puzzling why Konoha didn't try and transplant those eyes.

      My personal opinion would be that the transplants wouldn't work, since they are not the original Rinnegan eyes. However, there's no way of knowing that for certain. So Konoha should have tried transplanting. But I suppose they thought there was too much risk in that.

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    • Oh, well I thought I remember Obito explaining to Naruto that Nagato was using his abilities as the Outer Path of Pain to "create" Rinnegans in his Impure World Reincarnated bodies that reflected his own Rinnegan, but they can only use it as long as he's pumping his power to them via chakra receivers. So maybe the Rinnegan pattern remained on the male Animal Path, but it didn't retain and of its copied abilities from Nagato?

      Because I mean, the Animal Path was replaced by the girl, and she had ANOTHER set of Rinnegan eyes. I get that the dead male Animal Path had the eyes even after the removal of the receivers, but I bet they're about as useless as Madara's Rinne Rebirthed body after Obito revived him. (When Madara was revived and his fake Rinnegan eyes disintegrated shortly after)

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    • The paths can only use the techs because they have Rinnegan eyes, Nagato can only make them use the techs through that. They do in fact have Rinnegan. So if all 6 bodies were beaten he could get 6 more bodies and give them 6 more sets of cloned Rinnegan. Basically any of the paths can have any of the paths utilized through them.. so if those eyes were to be transplanted into a living body.. unless that person was Uzumaki/Senju then they would not be able to even transplant ONE eye, Obito was only able to use 1 eye because he had Hashi/Zetsu half body. They are real eyes for sure, the Edo Six Paths maintained their eyes too even after Obito stopped controlling them. So SPOP requires cloned eyes to be used it seems in some way

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    • Well like you were saying though. Both Nagato's 6 paths of Pain and Obitos 6 paths of Jinchuriki were all reincarnated bodies through the Impure World Reincarnation. So unless Konohoha wanted to go around reincarnating people just to use Rinnegan eyes... I don't find it very likely that they would have even considered the thought.

      Well actually.. idk man it doesn't make sense. The wikia states that the Rinnegan never deactivates because it doesn't need chakra pumped into them like the Sharingan does. They will remain active no matter what. So why do you need a large chakra pool to obtain them? If that's the case, then why didn't Naruto try to take the Rinnegan from Nagato since he is an Uzumaki + has Kurama's large pool of chakra?

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    • I think it has more to do with having the body to be able to control the Rinnegan, otherwise it will simply be too much to handle for you.. Obito who had Hashi DNA with his Zetsu flesh and is a Uchiha, could not handle more than one eye, while Madara and BZ called Nagato the perfect host for it and put it in him when he was around 4-5 years old.. he was able to use it before he was even a ninja, twice. Once killed two Konoha Jonin, and another time killing an Iwagakure Chunin. So I speculate only Tsunade and Yamato could of handled using the cloned Rinnegan that Konoha has in possession, they simply don't due to fear of something I guess?? Shit If I was Yamato I would transplant them and master them.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: So how come nobody tried to transplant them?

      i would say because konoha became one of the "good guys" after naruto lived there, so it wouldnt steal the eyes of a villian...

      or maybe during that time in the story the eyes of people couldnt simply be taken away and given as pleased like some kind of toy :)

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    • I think it was just plot that kept them from using the Rinnegan they have in storage. It's a good thing Danzo and Orochimaru didn't know about the actual eyes that Shizune was holding in her little research/medical office.. I would bet Tsunade made sure Danzo never found out.

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    • They're not actual rinnegan. The eye simply reflects in the Six Paths of Pain. Even after the rods are removed, some leftover chakra is bound to be present and maintain the appearance.

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    • I doubt that, because if they were reflections then they would have disappeared soon afterwards.. the chakra is being sent through the rods in order to move the bodies and make them use techs, its not actually filling them back up with Chakra and that is why Nagato needed the Deva Path to come closer to him in order to use Chibaku Tensei after cutting off his chakra from the other 5 Paths, who immediately fell to the ground once he stopped sending them chakra. So no they are not reflections, they are literally cloned eyes.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: I doubt that, because if they were reflections then they would have disappeared soon afterwards

      Of course they would, but how long is soon? Compared to the kind of chakra Nagato had to transmit to make them use their abilities, how much is required to keep the rinnegan reflection? If even a percent of that transmitted power remains in the body, could it maintain the illusion for years?

      QuakingStar wrote: the chakra is being sent through the rods in order to move the bodies and make them use techs, its not actually filling them back up with Chakra

      Yet without a doubt, some chakra is being stored. It has to be, the black rods themselves can't cast these techniques. Some way or the other, the chakra from the Rods needs to be in the body in order to work. Judging by the fact that such a reflection, a Genin could pull off with a Transformation jutsu, it can not be much Rinnegan chakra.

      Besides, we've already seen Edo Tensei form whatever cosmetics the user wants (e.g. forming Rinnegan in Madara's eyes), and that's repeatedly mentioned to be an "easy" technique. If appearance modification is easy, why would the Rinnegan have to be cloned?

      I mean, even Genin-i-suck-at-ninjutsu Naruto was able to Tranformation Jutsu himself, shadowclones etc, and Bee could do the same to a tentacle. Clearly giving the Rinnegan pattern to a dead body is easy. And since at least some small amount of chakra has to be present in the body, that pattern would be maintained. And given Six Paths chakra's power, it could be maintained hours, days, perhaps even years after death. Not to mention it could become a permanent cosmetic change for all we know.

      And wouldn't your question -why nobody did anything with these rinnegan- be proof in itself that they are fake?

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    • here is what my theory is. the eyes are real. once nagato found bodies each body was then given the rods and revived using the six paths, when defeated and the rods are removed the eyes still remain. but they are useless because it requires specific chakra. Nagato had the original eyes. or atleast chakra of one of hagoromo's children in this case nagato inherited the body of the sage when the Rinnegan finally activated after being transplanted. those eyes were able to manifest the six paths. so its my theory that if Naruto or sasuke were to transplant the cloned Rinnegan they would have been able to use the power of those eyes

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    • But of all the abilities the Rinnegan has, why would it have the power to clone eyes?

      The Rinnegan can transmit chakra to it's black rods. Isn't it much simpler to say that the transmitted chakra is what causes the Rinnegan to merely reflect? Especially since we've already seen Naruto do something similar with the Shinobi Alliance, transmitting his chakra to them, giving them his chakra shroud and manipulating that even at a distance. Even after his chakra ran out, a tiny amount of chakra remained with each person, allowing him to reform the shroud later.

      Then finally there's the idea that even if these Rinnegan are real eyes, why would it mean they have the original's power? Why wouldn't Madara simply give copies to Nagato? or give Nagato the original eyes and use copies for himself in stead of using other people's rinnegan? Wouldn't it be much likelier to say that these eyes only manifest the shared visions and no other powers (since those powers are transmitted by the rods)?

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    • I've always suspected the King of Hell is involved in the creation of the fake/reflected dōjutsu. Like it swallows up the corpse or summoning animal and then spits them back out with Rinnegan. It's clear those Rinnegan aren't the same as the real things, but they do appear to have some power. The Deva Path uses its Rinnegan to see the barrier around Konoha, for example.

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    • Yeah I think King of Hell spit them out with cloned Eyes. No other realistic explanation honestly.

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    • the thing is. even if the fake eyes have a single ounce of hagoromo's chakra once they are in the body of indra or asura's transmigrant said chakra would mix with the transmigrant. the same way hashirama's flesh mixed with madara so a transmigrant should be able to use them to some degree. the effects of the shared vision is obviously permanent otherwise the eyes would cease to being Rinnegan once the chakra receivers were removed. the Rinnegan's power comes from hagoromo's chakra. so thats why i believe that only naruto or sasuke would have been able to use those eyes

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      the effects of the shared vision is obviously permanent otherwise the eyes would cease to being Rinnegan once the chakra receivers were removed.

      it's not.

      Pain attacked almost immediately after Jiraiya's investigations. Why do you think? because it's only a limited time effect. The rinnegan pattern fading would've instantly revealed the nature of the technique. Pain simply attacked before that would happen.

      It's not evidence that it's permanent, not in the least. If they were, it would inevitably have been mentioned again.

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    • That's speculation. He only came for the chakra receivers. Which is why he went out of his way to get them from the Animal path.

      @Randall, no they don't have to be a transmigrant to use the eyes, only a Senju or Uzumaki is needed, as shown with Nagato. Yamato or Tsunade could also use those eyes.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: That's speculation. He only came for the chakra receivers. Which is why he went out of his way to get them from the Animal path.

      And the idea that they're permanent is not?

      Of course he came for the receivers. They could pinpoint his position. The eyes would fade anyway, he doesn't need to do anything special about that. If they were real rinnegan, don't you think he would specifically have gone after them too?

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    • See, I would believe that, if it wasn't shown that even after the TB's and the chakra receivers were removed from the Edo SPoP that they still kept their Sharingan and Rinnegan. Considering that once the receivers were removed the chakra was instantly cut off, there would be no residual and no fading. I already did my research on this so you coming here with your speculation changes nothing.

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    • ^ Mind telling the chapter that shows Edo!Jinchūriki still having Sharingan and Rinnegan after removal of chakra receivers and Tailed Beasts?

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    • Obito rips the TB's from them. Then in the chapter that the Edo is released, more specifically you can see it better in the anime.. the SPoP edo jins still have their Sharingan and Rinnegan.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: See, I would believe that, if it wasn't shown that even after the TB's and the chakra receivers were removed from the Edo SPoP that they still kept their Sharingan and Rinnegan.

      They kept their eyes just as long as the one Pain. If the eye pattern stays a while after being cut off, then it logically would last just as long for the Edo Tensei as it would for the Pain.

      QuakingStar wrote: Considering that once the receivers were removed the chakra was instantly cut off

      This in itself is speculation. The jutsu themselves aren't cast from the rods, therefore chakra has to be stored in the body, however little and however temporary.

      QuakingStar wrote: so you coming here with your speculation changes nothing.

      What you're saying is just as speculative. you just refuse to see it that way.

      It's even greater speculation that these clearly fake rinnegan have any power of their own. Yet you accept that without question.

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    • @QuakingStar So you mean chapters 589 and 590, where in former only one edo!jinchūriki is shown having eyes open(Yagura I believe) and he doesn't have neither sharingan or rinnegan, and only anime shows edo!jinchūriki still having them? Hmm...

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    • I just looked again at the viz digital colored chapter, the eyes have indeed faded to white for the Edo Tensei Yagura after the TB and the rod were removed from him. Case closed. So the eyes are indeed powerful reflections through the use of chakra. THAT is why Konoha did not use the eyes.

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