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  • Hey editors i have a question here.

    4th databook states that Naruto has only YANG release. So it is assumed here that after gaining YIN half, Naruto also have YIN release, yet it isn't used or proven in JIn no sho, cuz it isnt up to date?

    Just need clarification here.

    Also why some doesn't have Yin-Yang release, meanwhile Naruto has it?

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    • Because Naruto is the TSB user, and the TSBs consist of all the 5 chakra natures + Yin-Yang release and grant their user these natures respectivelly. Moreover, it's said in the same 4-th Databook that Naruto saved Guy's life through the use of Yin-Yang release, thus it's pretty obvious that the user must master both Yin and Yang release to perform it. Also, the databooks themselves aren't completely free of errors or something like this. For example, on the Perfect Susanoo page only Madara is mentioned as it's user, while shinobi like Sasuke or Kakashi have obviously demonstrated it's use as well.

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    • The 4th databook never said that and the TSB aren't made up of YYR from the beginning, as Obito's use has shown.

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    • Agreed, that Naruto in the end achieved YIN-YANG, but i dont see why would Kishimoto make such mistakes. I agree as well that 4th Databook isnt up to date.

      Hashirama doesnt have YIN release, yet here YIn release is added to the Hashirama stat. So i'm trying to decipher what is yin and what is yang.

      Yin release= Sharingan=Doujutsu=GEnjutsu thats seems to be the case since every Uchiha or Doujutsu user except for Rin'negan and Byakugan are Yin users. Even Nagato as Rin'negan user doesnt have YIN...

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    • I'm really glad we don't follow your logic here.

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    • Ok, my mistake, but Yin-Yang Release still is a crucial component of the TSBs. Also, I correct myself with saying that Naruto possesses Six Paths Senjutsu, which surely grants it's user the mastery over the Yin-Yang Release along with 5 basic natures.

      Regarding Hashi's Yin Release - he used at least one genjutsu in the manga (Bringer-of-Darkness Technique), and according to the Second Muzukage's statement and the 4-th Databook itself, all the genjutsu belong to the Yin Release domain, so it's abscence in Hashi's profile actually is a mistake. I agree with Seelentau, it's a terrible logic you use here, @Makimaki11, cause any doujutsu doesn't necessary grant the genjutsu mastery. Even a lot of Sharingan users didn't demonstrate genjutsu use, and Byakugan wielders didn't demonstrate any of them at all. In fact, genjutsu was never said to be amongst the main abilities of Byakugan, unlike the Sharingan.

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    • And here is the prob of this.

      Why is everybody typing down what was used canonically, but not those which were granted to be known by all?

      For example. Fugaku only knows Katon: Goukyaku no jutsu, where basics show that he must also know henge, kawarimi etc, since he would never actually graduate from academy? 90% of all doesnt consider this important, but only those actually seen in manga.

      Same goes for basic genjutsu sharingan has: Genjutsu: Sharingan jutsu. Based on this every Sharingan can execute at least this Genjutsu. It is probably the same type as Madara used on Kurama. And this automatically makes Databook consistent with every uchiha having YIN release or databook makes consistent what many doesnt consider as consistency but a mistake. Izanami or izanagi are as well not ninjutsu but genjutsu. And also anyone who knows the seal can use it. MS is not required as well. So basically every Uchiha is GENJUTSU user, but because we didnt see him/her use genjutsu, doesnt mean he cant. And Genjutsu here is YIN release.

      Also i didnt claim that Hyuuga has any mastery of Genjutsu, it has mastery of DOJUTSU. In Hyuuga case would be: Doryoku-Byakugan-doujutsu- byakugan no jutsu. In sharingan case is Doryoku- Sharingan-Doujutsu- and then variety of Genjutsu or Ninjutsu... Also Hyuuga doesnt have neither yin nor yang...it is true cuz they actually use taijutsu moves with chakra control.

      so i think that 4th databook is consistent here as well.

      My point is 4th databook might not have many mistakes after all. My best theory here is that every jutsu affecting ones mind and heart is considered as YIN release. Since Naruto doesnt have any talent for Genjutsu, he cant have yin release, but he got it due to temporary Hagoromo powers. Because...how can Ino have YIn release? and Sakura? and then Tsunade dont? Conclusion: MEdical ninjutsu is pure YANG, Shintenshin is YIN and Sakuras ability to dispel genjutsu is YIN as well.

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    • What? Doryoku? Byakugan no Jutsu? Whaaat? @.@

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    • Douryoku means ocular power. (as viz translated) Doujutsu means ocular jutsu. Basically the same, but i dont think so it is exactly the same. Doryoku means everything connected to eye powers. I dont think it is neccessary to distinguish both as separate but to be completely correct:

      Doryoku executes doujutsu. Like Sharingan (doryoku) executes Susano'o (ninjutsu, doujutsu), Tsukuyomi ( Genjutsu, Doujutsu)...

      Sharingan itself isnt doujutsu, since there isnt any jutsu named sharingan.

      But then again i might be completely wrong. Too bad there isnt other ocular power, beside known ones.

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    • Seelentau wrote: I'm really glad we don't follow your logic here.

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    • Seelentau wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: I'm really glad we don't follow your logic here.

      Well okay...Never said you need to follow my logic, just i dont think that 4th databook should be at fault for inconsistencies. Bijuudama is clear Yin-Yang type of chakra, yet nobody said that Naruto has Onmyouton. Nor is anywhere written as such, and it should be. Manga is fact.

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    • TBB was never said to be YYR, even though it's more than obvious. Naruto was never said to have YYR, even though it's implied.

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    • About the TSB being Yin-Yang or not, in both the manga and databook they're said to be made up of all seven natures (though the wording is unclear whether it's Yin and Yang separately or Yin-Yang combined). But the databook also says something about the natures inside the balls being combined to produce different effects, right? So couldn't the balls always contain Yin and Yang on their own, but only nullify ninjutsu (Yin-Yang Release) when they're deliberately combined? That makes more sense to me than going against the databook's words and assuming they don't contain Yin/Yang by default.

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    • TSB quoting Tobirama " He is most likely using dark and light jutsu, capable of nullifying everything it touches"...

      Well i think this clearly states that true name of this jutsu should be: Onmyouton: Godoudama. But to be clearly specific it should be Senjutsu: Onmyouton: Goudodama.

      Difference between Bijudama and TBS is simple. Senjutsu is lacking.

      But in the end i understand Seelentau arguments. YOu cant really give Naruto onmyouton if it isnt written down anywhere. It is like giving all Uchiha Grand fire ball jutsu..which is basic ninjutsu for every clansmen, but for me reasoning, what was stated in manga it is actually canon, not something which was edited after or in the middle.

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    • The only problem is that Obito wasn't applying Yin-Yang release until he got the fullest control over Juubi inside. Indicated by the fact that Hiruzen and Tobi, who were damaged by pre-controllable Obito's TSBs, did regenerate in the first place. If they were damaged by the TSBs enhanced with YYR (which gives them the power to nulify ninjutsu), they wouldn't be able to do that, akin to Minato's permanent arm amputation. And no, TSBs and TBBs shouldn't be confused, although they are comparable with each other. The TBBs are just made from regular Bijus' chakra, they didn't have any chakra nature per se. TSBs on the contrary consist of all the 5 chakra natures mould together with the addition of the YYR.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: TTSBs on the contrary consist of all the 5 chakra natures moulded together with the addition of the YYR.

      Truth Seeking Balls consist of a combination of 5 elements. Only when Yin-Yang release is added is it capable of nullifying Ninjutsu. And it's not clear, but judging from the Juubi being Nature energy and Naruto's comments of Nature energy fighting Nature energy, it also contains Senjutsu.

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    • Uhm...prior Obito gaining power over Juubi...there was nobody who actually confirmed that TBS are 5 nature mixed togheter... It was only Hiruzen assumption due to similiar nullifying effect TSB have as Oonoki's Kekkai tota. WHat happened was that prior gaining power over Juubi, Obito didnt have senjutsu.

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    • Makimaki11 wrote: Uhm...prior Obito gaining power over Juubi...there was nobody who actually confirmed that TBS are 5 nature mixed togheter... It was only Hiruzen assumption due to similiar nullifying effect TSB have as Oonoki's Kekkai tota. WHat happened was that prior gaining power over Juubi, Obito didnt have senjutsu.

      Ooniki didn't assume anything about nulifying effect cause it hasn't been there yet when he fough Obito. Actually, if this effect was present, Edo-Hiruzen would've been already dead after Obito destroyed his whole body. Hiruzen compared TSBs to Oonoki's Dust Release just because of it's form and properties, although he also stated it's more flexible. And it was actually him who stated that the TSBs were made from 5 natures together.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote: And it was actually him who stated that the TSBs were made from 5 natures together.

      To be fair, he said "at least four." But, yeah.

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    • Ravenlot 27 wrote:

      Makimaki11 wrote: Uhm...prior Obito gaining power over Juubi...there was nobody who actually confirmed that TBS are 5 nature mixed togheter... It was only Hiruzen assumption due to similiar nullifying effect TSB have as Oonoki's Kekkai tota. WHat happened was that prior gaining power over Juubi, Obito didnt have senjutsu.

      Ooniki didn't assume anything about nulifying effect cause it hasn't been there yet when he fough Obito. Actually, if this effect was present, Edo-Hiruzen would've been already dead after Obito destroyed his whole body. Hiruzen compared TSBs to Oonoki's Dust Release just because of it's form and properties, although he also stated it's more flexible. And it was actually him who stated that the TSBs were made from 5 natures together.


      That's what i said? I said Hiruzen assumed that TSB are made of more nature than Onoki's Jinton. But there is no confirmation that they are...TSB could be only yin-yang release as Obito implied and Tobirama figured it out.

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    • ^ Except Black Zetsu itself confirmed that Truth-Seeking Balls are made of all five Nature Transformations + Yin-Yang Release. Also, the databook backs it up.

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