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    Too much back and forth mumbo jumbo and criticism.
    06:20, January 17, 2016
    • this should be in the versus debate section instead of theories and speculation. Even though I like Hinata way more than Sakura I have to give victory to Sakura as she only needs one hit to kill off Hinata whereas Hinata would need multiple hits to kill Sakura. (I say that she needs multiple hits to kill Sakura because her skill with gentle fist doesn't compare to Neji's who was able to kill people with one well placed strike to the heart.)

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    • Wrong board. This is where you should have posted this discussion. (^_^)

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    • Hinata after the Last vs Sakura after the Last? Hinata was given all of Hamura's chakra.. albeit she did share a bit with Naruto, it was only a bit. Hinata was called a Byakugan and Gentle Fist master after the Last. TBH to master Gentle Fist you need very good speed with not just your hands but your body. This either ends in a tie or Hinata wins due to shutting down Sakuras chakra system.

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    • Considering her brute strength, Sakura would win this with one hit, I would think. I don't see Hinata standing after a punch that would smash stones.

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    • You forget Hinata knows all about Sakura's chakra enhanced physical attacks. Hinata wouldn't get hit by that especially since she has the Byakugan and can see all around her body.

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    • True, but Sakura knows all she needs to know about the Byakugan and the Gentle Fist as well. Also, just being able to see the enemy does not guarantee you can always evade the enemy's attacks. Sakura is incredible fast, and if Hinata would go into the offensive, Sakura could always just decimate the ground they are standing on, robbing Hinata of her balance which is inalienable for a Gentle Fist user.

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    • Please Sakura wouldn't stand a chance. the hyuga can both attack and defend at the same time. they can place a thin shroud of chakra around there entire body which acts as body armor than using rotation they can turn there enemies attack back at them 10 fold. and don't give me that crap that hinata has never been shown to use it. it doesn't matter it was stated in the databook that since Naruto the last Hinata has completely mastered the Gentle fist as in she can use all the gentle fist techniques Now meaning Rotation even with out rotation she could nullify Sakura's most powerful punches with a simple slap of her hand by blocking the chakra from going to sakura's hands

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    • I don't think a thin shroud of chakra is able to completely nullify an amount of chakra able to blow up mountains.

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    • Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong wrote: I don't think a thin shroud of chakra is able to completely nullify an amount of chakra able to blow up mountains.

      The beauty of Rotation is that it doesn't stop attacks. It deflects attacks.

      I didn't read the Databooks, but if Hinata truly mastered Gentle Fist, then that's superior to Sakura's chakra strength.

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    • Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong wrote: I don't think a thin shroud of chakra is able to completely nullify an amount of chakra able to blow up mountains.

      Sakura is not able to blow up mountains with her brute strength, she may be strong but she's not that strong.

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    • I meant it figuratively speaking. I know she can't blow up full scale mountains, but she is surely able to destroy rocks many times as large as she is. That being said...to me, Kaiten never seemed to be like you guys explain it. I always saw it as some kind of chakra dome that thrusts nearby enemies away and deflects projectiles. Now imagine this: Sakura jumps towards Hinata with all her strength and lands a solid, chakra-enhanced punch. Now, how would Kaiten solve this? Is Hinata just like "ugh I got hit, now I absorb the impact and start spinning, thus ending all my troubles"? I can't see that happening. The moment she gets hit by a full powered punch, it would be over for her I think. Because, the hit already produces damage before Hinata could start using the impact for her own convenience. However, if she started using Kaiten before Sakura reached her (say, while Sakura is in mid-air and can't turn back), the tides would be entirely different of course.

      As a side note, if Hinata mastered every Gentle Fist technique, why isn't she listed as a user of these techniques?

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    • Thatuserwiththenamethatislegendarylong wrote: As a side note, if Hinata mastered every Gentle Fist technique, why isn't she listed as a user of these techniques?

      gentle fist is listed under her techniques. The rest isn't shown, it's only said in the Databooks.

      isn't the point of the Byakugan that you can see the attack coming from a mile away and prepare Rotation as a reaction?

      Sakura's main abilities are that she's strong and heals a lot. But Hinata can use Vacuum Palm to disable her from afar, use byakugan so she has no blind spots and Rotation whenever Sakura is at risk of getting close to her. All that's left is to dart around her and keep striking her until sakura's disabled enough to finish with 64 palms. Only if Sakura has a bit of luck could she potentially brute-force through this Gentle Fist style, but every hit of Vacuum Palm should make healing and attacking more and more difficult for Sakura.

      The Last shows that Hinata is indeed a formidable ninja in her own way. In a straight up fight she won't win, which is why she won't allow Sakura to straight up fight her. Considering that a punch to the ground is only brief and her Byakugan gives her full vision, she should have no problems dealing with devastated ground attacks, as her Vaccuum Palm can keep Sakura at bay while in the air and her Byakugan will prevent her from tripping.

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    • Sakura wins because she's stronger.

      Hinata is strong too, but Sakura is a neo sannin... so yeah

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    • GodlyHades wrote: Hinata is strong too, but Sakura is a neo sannin... so yeah

      Hinata was granted Hamura's chakra. So it's a (form of) Hamura transmigrant vs a Sennin. i'd say they're close enough to make it an interesting fight.

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    • GodlyHades wrote: Sakura wins because she's stronger.

      Hinata is strong too, but Sakura is a neo sannin... so yeah

      Neo Sannin huh... Where was it stated in the manga or The Last movie? Hinata isn't stupid, but she is quick on her feet and with her hands.

      I could see a watered down version of Hiruko vs Sakura going down if they fought. Yeah, one hit and Hinata may be done, but she's much quicker than Sakura.

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    • The Funny Thing Is U Guys Are All Assuming That They Would Aim To Kill Each Other, AKA These One Hit Win Things.

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    • Bob1200 wrote: The Funny Thing Is U Guys Are All Assuming That They Would Aim To Kill Each Other, AKA These One Hit Win Things.

      Without intent to kill, they're never getting anywhere.

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    • sakura gets one hit by hinata

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    • what..? why is this even a question? hinata is not a fighter, i thought that was clear. she's never been shown to have rotation too. her best ability is her byakugan activated sight that can go 10km. hamura's chakra only supported naruto when his chakra was depleted.

      sakura on the other hand have regenerative abilities and a punch that destroyed the battlefield in the war arc, where giant monsters flew up like tiny dust specks. most importantly, the game changer here is her summon, a giant poison slug which can cover sakura and has the capability to withstand pain's attack, and also split into thousands of clones and spit acid like mei terumi.

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    • For example, someone who is master of Aikido will beat someone who is physical stronger than him, so raw power<technique. I think the same is in Naruto, so Hinata>Sakura.

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    • Minato 87 wrote: For example, someone who is master of Aikido will beat someone who is physical stronger than him, so raw power<technique. I think the same is in Naruto, so Hinata>Sakura.

      .. do you even know what you're talking about.. that's like saying hinata can beat tsunade, or even worse, madara.

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    • Sakura > Hinata u.u

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    • Eh, I would say more of Hinata = Sakura.

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    • Madao4life wrote: .. do you even know what you're talking about.. that's like saying hinata can beat tsunade, or even worse, madara.

      Sakura has only raw power and she is Hinata's level, so Hinata can beat her. Tsunade is league above Hinata, of course that Hinata can't beat her. Madara has much better technique and he is physical stronger than Hinata. Even in real life master of Aikido can't beat the bear.

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    • Minato 87 wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: .. do you even know what you're talking about.. that's like saying hinata can beat tsunade, or even worse, madara.

      Sakura has only raw power and she is Hinata's level, so Hinata can beat her. Tsunade is league above Hinata, of course that Hinata can't beat her. Madara has much better technique and he is physical stronger than Hinata. Even in real life master of Aikido can't beat the bear.

      please provide legitimate manga feats, instead of wanking hinata srsly. hinata is chunnin in her databook, and she lost every fight she's in, that's manga fact.

      read my first post and tell me how hinata can get close to sakura's giant summon katsuyu, or harm katsuyu, when pain couldn't.

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    • 100% it's gonna be hinata bcs of her combo Byakugan+Gentle fist

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    • Madao4life wrote: please provide legitimate manga feats, instead of wanking hinata srsly. hinata is chunnin in her databook, and she lost every fight she's in, that's manga fact.

      read my first post and tell me how hinata can get close to sakura's giant summon katsuyu, or harm katsuyu, when pain couldn't.

      If Sakura want to win in this battle, she must hit Hinata. Hinata will simply use rotation to block Sakura's attacks. Katsuyu will maybe help to keep distance, but she hasn't good fighting skills.

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    • Minato 87 wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: please provide legitimate manga feats, instead of wanking hinata srsly. hinata is chunnin in her databook, and she lost every fight she's in, that's manga fact.

      read my first post and tell me how hinata can get close to sakura's giant summon katsuyu, or harm katsuyu, when pain couldn't.

      If Sakura want to win in this battle, she must hit Hinata. Hinata will simply use rotation to block Sakura's attacks. Katsuyu will maybe help to keep distance, but she hasn't good fighting skills.

      just where in manga or databook is hinata shown to use kaiten. anime feats is not canon fyi.

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    • Madao4life wrote: just where in manga or databook is hinata shown to use kaiten. anime feats is not canon fyi.

      Ok, even if she can't use rotation, when Sakura come close to Hinata, will use Gentle Fist (Hinata's movements in close combat are much faster than Sakura's).

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    • Minato 87 wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: just where in manga or databook is hinata shown to use kaiten. anime feats is not canon fyi.

      Ok, even if she can't use rotation, when Sakura come close to Hinata, will use Gentle Fist (Hinata's movements in close combat are much faster than Sakura's).

      some proof, please.

      and how is hinata going to get close to sakura without getting melted by katsuyu's acid? even orochimaru was wary of katsuyu when he went close to tsunade (after edo tensei madara leave the 5 kages for dead)

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    • ^agree, and to boot, sakura could throw big pieces of stone a immense speed towards hinata while she would only be able to do something in close range, the moment sakura goes into mid-range combat hinata would be at a big disadvantage :)

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    • GreatestSin wrote: ^agree, and to boot, sakura could throw big pieces of stone a immense speed towards hinata while she would only be able to do something in close range, the moment sakura goes into mid-range combat hinata would be at a big disadvantage :)

      remember hinata can use the rotation defense jutsu

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    • Also she has the Vacuum Palm that can deal with anything Sakura decides to throw.

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    • ^im not saying he will be defeated with the stones but she will be forced into defense and be forced to ue chakra-taxing jutsu like the rotation-jutsu several times, if she is to exhausted she wont eb able to protect herself, thanks to the seal sakura has she will mostlikely not run out of chakra even if she uses her strongest moves several times ^_^

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    • Hinata should be able to win. None of Sakura's close/mid-range attacks will be able to touch Hinata, since she would be able to see them coming. Hinata is a better taijutsu user, so she should be able to one-shot Sakura, before she one-shots her

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    • Hinata was also given an uber hax asspull chakra power-up by Hamura himself. So not only does she have the Byakugan, she also is now WAYYYYYYY stronger than what she was earlier in the Last. I don't see Sakura beating her now, pre-Hamura gift? maybe. Now? nope.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Hinata was also given an uber hax asspull chakra power-up by Hamura himself. So not only does she have the Byakugan, she also is now WAYYYYYYY stronger than what she was earlier in the Last. I don't see Sakura beating her now, pre-Hamura gift? maybe. Now? nope.

      To be fair, all we've seen Hamura's Chakra did was prevent Hinata's Chakra from being absorbed by the Tenseigan

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    • All I'm gonna say is that Hinata couldn't even remember that she could "walk on walls" when she was hanging from a scarf like a damsel in distress in The Last.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: All I'm gonna say is that Hinata couldn't even remember that she could "walk on walls" when she was hanging from a scarf like a damsel in distress in The Last.

      Sigh.

      Toneri placed that blue orb inside of her body, which resulted in a chakra problem. She even said that she was 'weak' and couldn't muster up strength, which is why she couldn't use chakra.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Hinata was also given an uber hax asspull chakra power-up by Hamura himself. So not only does she have the Byakugan, she also is now WAYYYYYYY stronger than what she was earlier in the Last. I don't see Sakura beating her now, pre-Hamura gift? maybe. Now? nope.

      her "power up" doesnt have any feats so we can only use what we know, and from what i know if that hinata only has a upper hand in close combat, but sakura has also good mid-range-attacks (like throwing a big piece of stone continously), forcing hinata to lose stamina and become unable to keep up her byakugan (which also has a timelimit and get harder to mantain for a hugh amount of time) and her chakra-enhanced-taijutsu...

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    • GreatestSin wrote: her "power up" doesnt have any feats so we can only use what we know, and from what i know if that hinata only has a upper hand in close combat, but sakura has also good mid-range-attacks (like throwing a big piece of stone continously), forcing hinata to lose stamina and become unable to keep up her byakugan (which also has a timelimit and get harder to mantain for a hugh amount of time) and her chakra-enhanced-taijutsu...

      Hinata can easily continue to dodge all of her attacks, not that she needs to because when she gets close, she can easily one-shots Sakura, before Sakura one-shots her

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    • hinata easy win she just needs to poke sakura in the forehead xd

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Hinata can easily continue to dodge all of her attacks, not that she needs to because when she gets close, she can easily one-shots Sakura, before Sakura one-shots her

      for how long without chakra-enhancements? hinata never showed fast high-speed movement except for close combat h2h feats, it is more likely that she will pulverize the big stones instead of dodging, whichi will result if her stamina/chakra getting drained way faster and in the end making her defenseless against more incoming projectiles...

      and how can hinata come close to sakura? as far as i remember the only one who showed a high movement feat was sakura (in gaiden where she punched shin and got recognized by sasuke and naruto only after doing the attack) :I

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    • ahahah tht was a retard moment in gaiden lol

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    • GreatestSin wrote: for how long without chakra-enhancements? hinata never showed fast high-speed movement except for close combat h2h feats, it is more likely that she will pulverize the big stones instead of dodging, whichi will result if her stamina/chakra getting drained way faster and in the end making her defenseless against more incoming projectiles...

      and how can hinata come close to sakura? as far as i remember the only one who showed a high movement feat was sakura (in gaiden where she punched shin and got recognized by sasuke and naruto only after doing the attack) :I

      Sakura can't continue to throw laege boulders in rapid succession forever. Hinata can quickly get close and Gentle Fist Sakura's heart

      How is punching someone really hard a speed feat? The most Sakura can do is punch really hard, which Hinata can easily evade and counter. Once Hinata touches her, she's done for.

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      GreatestSin wrote: for how long without chakra-enhancements? hinata never showed fast high-speed movement except for close combat h2h feats, it is more likely that she will pulverize the big stones instead of dodging, whichi will result if her stamina/chakra getting drained way faster and in the end making her defenseless against more incoming projectiles...

      and how can hinata come close to sakura? as far as i remember the only one who showed a high movement feat was sakura (in gaiden where she punched shin and got recognized by sasuke and naruto only after doing the attack) :I

      Sakura can't continue to throw laege boulders in rapid succession forever. Hinata can quickly get close and Gentle Fist Sakura's heart

      How is punching someone really hard a speed feat? The most Sakura can do is punch really hard, which Hinata can easily evade and counter. Once Hinata touches her, she's done for.

      sakura's internal organ might be ruptured and healed with byakugou seal, and when hinata touches her, sakura will not stand there like a dummy, she will also "touch" hinata turning her into ash.

      there really is no contest here. even more so with her summon katsuyu, sakura doesn't have to lift a finger to win. does people here know what's katsuyu capable of?

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Sakura can't continue to throw laege boulders in rapid succession forever. Hinata can quickly get close and Gentle Fist Sakura's heart

      sakura has immense chakra reserves thanks to her seal, which means that she can increase her strength by a amount that gaint boulders will become like feathers for her, and it will still allow her to fight for a long-time, surely way longer than hinata...

      and like i said, hinata doesnt have any remarkable movement feats which would even suggest that she can actually catch sakura...

      UltimaDude wrote: How is punching someone really hard a speed feat? The most Sakura can do is punch really hard, which Hinata can easily evade and counter. Once Hinata touches her, she's done for.

      she needed to get close to shin, which means she needed to run towards him, and in all the running nobody recognized her, neither naruto or sasuke, this means she is incredible fast...

      for the punching: well, only if hinata can reach sakura, btw, the other way is true too, one punch of sakura and hinata will be dead...

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    • jokes aside i rly dont knw who wins but sakura gt the edge

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    • How do we even know that Sakura can pick up boulders? Just wondering because I've seen the argument being tossed around.

      I mean Tsunade's strength in the DB back in Part 1 was extremely high, a 4 wasn't it? Dunno about Sakura's, but I don't remember having those feats. We don't even know if Tsunade got that from the seal, it wouldn't make sense either-way. THe Byakugou works by releasing precise chakra control in their fist to destroy anything in their path, it doesn't have anything to do with lateral power, such as Naruto throwing a Boss summon in the air with Sage Mode.

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    • This is what I'm going to say here. People keep talking about Hinata being able to one shot Sakura which Hinata has never shown to be able to do or memtioned to do either. However Sakura has shown to do that on several occasions. We can't just assume. Just like Hinata having the rotation. Her Protective Eight Trigrams jutsu is the only thing that comes close which is still a neat jutsu although it's anime only but sure lets give it to her. While Hinata has the Byakugan that doesn't mean she can automatically dodge an attack. I would say Sakura has better reaction and evasive skills while Hinata has faster striking skills but Sakura has displayed her fair share of striking speed when destroyed 10+ puppets in quick succession in 5 seconds. Nothing really shown about Hinata having Hamura's chakra other than her chakra supply being larger so anyways. Sakura has Katsuyu to summon which Hinata will hardly have any way to degeat it. Sakura also has the Strength of a Hundred Technique giving massive healing and destructive capabilities. Hinata can attack afar but her air palm has shown never to go very far and just because she's older we can't assume. Sakura's ground breaking attack however spreads very far and with a bang. Hinata has her Twin Lions jutsu which is something Sakura is to be wary of. All in all I believe Sakura to be the victor with mid to high difficulty. They both are strong kunoichi in their own right anyways.

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    • GodlyHades wrote: How do we even know that Sakura can pick up boulders? Just wondering

      she doesnt need to lift boulders in order to turn them into dangerous projectiles, first she smashes the ground, than she kicks big pieces towards hinata :I

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    • @Madao4life How will Sakura be able to heal when her Chakra network is disabled? You are forgetting that Hinata is a Gentle Fist user, meaning that she can easily immbolize a target with a few jabs, 64 to completely immobilize and depower the target. Not to mention, she can kill Sakura with only a single jab to the heart. She can evade all of Sakura's punches
      Except for the fact that it'll be Kaysuyu vs Hinata, not Sakura vs Hinata

      @GreatestSin Except that she has to spend time breaking off a piece of the ground over and over again which is highly impractical
      Same for Sakura

      They were surprised to see her, that's all. Both of them were whincing in pain, Naruto kneeling down while Sasuke was about to. Context, use it
      Hinata will be able to one-sot Sakura, before she can one-shot her

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    • @GreatestSin that's false CES does not work that way and Sakura does not have actually physical strength to lift them so no. If Sakura do what you said CES impact will fraction any boulder that come with her in contact, and since CES don't have pulling force either "projectiles" won't be dangerous.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: @Madao4life How will Sakura be able to heal when her Chakra network is disabled? You are forgetting that Hinata is a Gentle Fist user, meaning that she can easily immbolize a target with a few jabs, 64 to iMovie and depower the target. Not to mention, she can kill Sakura with only a single jab to the heart. She can evade all of Sakura's punches
      Except for the fact that it'll be Kaysuyu vs Hinata, not Sakura vs Hinata

      @GreatestSin Except that she has to spend time breaking off a poece of the ground over and over again which is highly impractical
      Same for Sakura

      They were surprised to see her, that's all. Both of them were singing in pain, Naruto kneeling down while Sasuke was about to. Context, use it
      Hinata will be able to one-sot Sakura, before she can one-shot her

      chakra network is only disabled with 64 jabs, and during that time period do you think jounin sakura will act like genin naruto to genin neji? one well placed jab of hinata means 1 chakra point disabled or 1 ruptured organ, but one well placed jab of sakura means an earthquake.

      "she can evade all of Sakura's punches" how? because you said so? how can hinata touch sakura without going into close contact? all it takes is one byakugou powered flick to send hinata flying.

      sakuras byakugou seal grant her regeneration abilities so she will not die even if an important organ is damaged, as shown in the madara fight.

      katsuyu is sakura's partner, just like akamaru is kiba's partner, there is nothing unfair here. sakura clearly outclassed hinata with this summon alone.

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    • Madao4life wrote: chakra network is only disabled with 64 jabs, and during that time do you think jounin sakura will act like genin naruto to genin neji? one well placed jab of hinata means 1 chakra point disabled or 1 ruptured organ, but one well placed jab of sakura means an earthquake, you can't possibly think that only hinata can deal the damages while sakura's supposed to stand there like a dummy.

      Well even in her worst Hinata was superior to Sakura in taijutsu so i don't see a problem, with her hiting Sakura.

      Madao4life wrote:

      she can evade all of Sakura's punches" how? because you said so? how can hinata touch sakura without going into close contact? all it takes is one byakugou powered flick to send hinata flying.

      Better at Taijutsu. On other hand Sakura been shown to suck at it, Omoi(or Karui don't remember) counter neutralized her with one shot.

      Madao4life wrote:

      sakuras byakugou seal grant her regeneration abilities so she will not die even if an important organ is damaged, as shown in the madara fight.

      With Chakra pathway blocked any damage for her same as if she didn't had seal.

      Madao4life wrote: katsuyu is sakura's partner, just like akamaru is kiba's partner, there is nothing unfair here. hinata's clearly outclassed here.

      Yes, but using slug does not help Sakura since it has only one attack wich can be avoided(acid spilt)known wich will be counetered by more dangerous(since it invisible) vacuum palm and split dagerous to Sakura too when she engages in close combat with Hinata(note Sakura her self does not have ranged attacks)

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    • Actually Katsuya is Sakura's summon. Kiba and Akamaru are always together, Katsuya is only summoned for a specific purpose - usually healing en masse.

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: chakra network is only disabled with 64 jabs, and during that time do you think jounin sakura will act like genin naruto to genin neji? one well placed jab of hinata means 1 chakra point disabled or 1 ruptured organ, but one well placed jab of sakura means an earthquake, you can't possibly think that only hinata can deal the damages while sakura's supposed to stand there like a dummy.

      Well even in her worst Hinata was superior to Sakura in taijutsu so i don't see a problem, with her hiting Sakura.

      Madao4life wrote:

      she can evade all of Sakura's punches" how? because you said so? how can hinata touch sakura without going into close contact? all it takes is one byakugou powered flick to send hinata flying.

      Better at Taijutsu. On other hand Sakura been shown to suck at it, Omoi(or Karui don't remember) counter neutralized her with one shot.

      Madao4life wrote:

      sakuras byakugou seal grant her regeneration abilities so she will not die even if an important organ is damaged, as shown in the madara fight.

      With Chakra pathway blocked any damage for her same as if she didn't had seal.

      Madao4life wrote: katsuyu is sakura's partner, just like akamaru is kiba's partner, there is nothing unfair here. hinata's clearly outclassed here.

      Yes, but using slug does not help Sakura since it has only one attack wich can be avoided(acid spilt)known wich will be counetered by more dangerous(since it invisible) vacuum palm and split dagerous to Sakura too when she engages in close combat with Hinata(note Sakura her self does not have ranged attacks)

      hyuga clan taijutsu is hyped to be superior, but hinata herself isn't, she lost every battle she was in, that's a manga fact. you don't see a problem with her winning a taijutsu fight, but you cannot provide a proof so it is mindless wank.

      as i said, do you really think jounin, byakugou seal sakura will stand there like a practice dummy for hinata to hit not 1, but 64 times? if yes, don't bother replying to me. and remember, who healed genin hinata after she got all her chakra points blocked by genin neji? medic nins, where sakura is one of the top.

      do you know how big the slug is? wiki it. and the slug can split into thousands of clones and still cover a person, as shown in the pain arc. sakura can stay safe inside of katsuyu while thousands of clones attack hinata and drown her in acid.

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    • Madao4life wrote: chakra network is only disabled with 64 jabs, and during that time period do you think jounin sakura will act like genin naruto to genin neji? one well placed jab of hinata means 1 chakra point disabled or 1 ruptured organ, but one well placed jab of sakura means an earthquake.

      "she can evade all of Sakura's punches" how? because you said so? how can hinata touch sakura without going into close contact? all it takes is one byakugou powered flick to send hinata flying.

      sakuras byakugou seal grant her regeneration abilities so she will not die even if an important organ is damaged, as shown in the madara fight.

      katsuyu is sakura's partner, just like akamaru is kiba's partner, there is nothing unfair here. sakura clearly outclassed hinata with this summon alone.

      Did you not read what I said. She can immobilize (which the 64 palms is not required) Sakura with a few jabs and can completely kill her with a single jab to the heart

      Because of having Byakugan and better Taijutsu? Sakura won't be able to touch Hinata in CQC

      She won't be able to regenerate when her Chakra Network is disabled

      Katsuyu is Sakura's summon, not the same as Kiba and Akamaru. And like I said before, this is Sakura vs Hinata, not Katsuyu vs Hinata

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: chakra network is only disabled with 64 jabs, and during that time period do you think jounin sakura will act like genin naruto to genin neji? one well placed jab of hinata means 1 chakra point disabled or 1 ruptured organ, but one well placed jab of sakura means an earthquake.

      "she can evade all of Sakura's punches" how? because you said so? how can hinata touch sakura without going into close contact? all it takes is one byakugou powered flick to send hinata flying.

      sakuras byakugou seal grant her regeneration abilities so she will not die even if an important organ is damaged, as shown in the madara fight.

      katsuyu is sakura's partner, just like akamaru is kiba's partner, there is nothing unfair here. sakura clearly outclassed hinata with this summon alone.

      Did you not read what I said. She can immobilize (which the 64 palms is not required) Sakura with a few jabs and can completely kill her with a single jab to the heart

      Because of having Byakugan and better Taijutsu? Sakura won't be able to touch Hinata in CQC

      She won't be able to regenerate when her Chakra Network is disabled

      Katsuyu is Sakura's summon, not the same as Kiba and Akamaru. And like I said before, this is Sakura vs Hinata, not Katsuyu vs Hinata

      yes, and konohamaru can kill naruto with rasengan. anybody can kill anybody with a well placed strike, the problem is the counter strike, and who has the better endurance (in this case clearly sakura win with regeneration).

      immobilize with a few jabs? what technique is that?

      as lee said to sasuke in the chunin exams, just because you can see doesn't mean you can react in time, as kaguya demonstrated when sakura punched her.

      are you saying jiraiya's fight with pain isn't fair as well? because he used ma and pa? as the chunin exam jounins said to naruto when he complained about akamaru, it is completely fair in their ninja world to utilise whatever skills they have.

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    • Madao4life wrote:

      hyuga clan taijutsu is hyped to be superior, but hinata herself isn't, she lost every battle she was in, that's a manga fact. you don't see a problem with her winning a taijutsu fight, but you cannot provide a proof so it is mindless wank.

      All databooks stated that Hinata is superior to Sakura in taijustsu you can check it at their pages. </div>

      Madao4life wrote:

      as i said, do you really think jounin, byakugou seal sakura will stand there like a practice dummy for hinata to hit not 1, but 64 times? if yes, don't bother replying to me. and remember, who healed genin hinata after she got all her chakra points blocked by genin neji? medic nins, where sakura is one of the top.

      So what Sixty-Four Palms is continuous attack that ends in few second from begining to any of it's victim never shown any ability to break it in middle of cast, so if(when) Sakura gets caught by ninja with superior taijutsu she is done.

      Madao4life wrote: do you know how big the slug is? wiki it. and the slug can split into thousands of clones and still cover a person, as shown in the pain arc. sakura can stay safe inside of katsuyu while thousands of clones attack hinata and drown her in acid.

      Again so what? We know that for summon it's required to use own chakra to not vanish, making clones and then using casting attack won't help much.

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote:

      hyuga clan taijutsu is hyped to be superior, but hinata herself isn't, she lost every battle she was in, that's a manga fact. you don't see a problem with her winning a taijutsu fight, but you cannot provide a proof so it is mindless wank.

      All databooks stated that Hinata is superior to Sakura in taijustsu you can check it at their pages.

      Madao4life wrote:

      as i said, do you really think jounin, byakugou seal sakura will stand there like a practice dummy for hinata to hit not 1, but 64 times? if yes, don't bother replying to me. and remember, who healed genin hinata after she got all her chakra points blocked by genin neji? medic nins, where sakura is one of the top.

      So what Sixty-Four Palms is continuous attack that ends in few second from begining to any of it's victim never shown any ability to break it in middle of cast, so if(when) Sakura gets caught by ninja with superior taijutsu she is done.

      Madao4life wrote: do you know how big the slug is? wiki it. and the slug can split into thousands of clones and still cover a person, as shown in the pain arc. sakura can stay safe inside of katsuyu while thousands of clones attack hinata and drown her in acid.

      Again so what? We know that for summon it's required to use own chakra to not vanish, making clones and then using casting attack won't help much.

      really? i didn't know that databook stuff. still, manga fact stands. hinata lost every fight she's in, and she has displayed no battle wits. in all her battles, neji, pain, she charged mindlessly without a plan and got played by them.

      sakura's not a very skilled fighter too, but with the chunin forest fight, ino fight, and sasori fight, there has been times when she tricked, read enemy attack patterns, and react to them.

      64 palms has only been used on genin naruto and the wood clone monster, so there is nothing to say that a far more superior jounin, and byakugou seal sakura cannot react to any of those palms.

      to summon you merely bit your hand and slap it on the ground. no more than 2 seconds. hinata has no hopes of winning the battle if she can't even get close to sakura.

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    • Madao4life wrote:

      really? i didn't know that databook stuff. still, manga fact stands. hinata lost every fight she's in, and she has displayed no battle wits. unlike sakura's with the chunin forest fight, ino fight, and sasori fight, where she can read enemy attack pattern and trick, and react to them. all hinata did is her gentle fist on neji when neji clearly played with her the whole time without her realizing, and jumped in the pain's battle without a plan.

      And now you forgeting that this VS thread so fact that Hinata lost Neji or Pain don't speak against her in her vs Sakura(cause she would lost too) and the fact that Sakura now let's see: chunin forest fight she did not win - interfirence of Lee and Ino-Shika-Cho saved her, Ino fight ended with draw and that considering that Ino is not even fighter type, and techically she lost to Sasori Chiyo used One's Own Life Reincarnation to save Sakura from lethal wound - did all this does not count as her pros too cause they all plot indiced(VS does not account plot).

      Madao4life wrote:

      64 palms has only been used on genin naruto and the wood clone monster, so there is nothing to say that a far more superior jounin, and byakugou seal sakura cannot react to any of those palms.

      She cannot because that's the way show this jutsu work and no Sakura is no "superior jounin" whatever you mean by this title won't help her.

      Madao4life wrote: to summon you merely bit your hand and slap it on the ground. no more than 2 seconds. hinata has no hopes of winning the battle if she can't even get close to sakura.

      Facepalm it's summons chakra that get's depleted after they summoned, so yes attack that you mentoned will most likely vanish slug(even if it theoretically posible wich is arguable).

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote:

      really? i didn't know that databook stuff. still, manga fact stands. hinata lost every fight she's in, and she has displayed no battle wits. unlike sakura's with the chunin forest fight, ino fight, and sasori fight, where she can read enemy attack pattern and trick, and react to them. all hinata did is her gentle fist on neji when neji clearly played with her the whole time without her realizing, and jumped in the pain's battle without a plan.

      And now you forgeting that this VS thread so fact that Hinata lost Neji or Pain don't speak against her in her vs Sakura(cause she would lost too) and the fact that Sakura now let's see: chunin forest fight she did not win - interfirence of Lee and Ino-Shika-Cho saved her, Ino fight ended with draw and that considering that Ino is not even fighter type, and techically she lost to Sasori Chiyo used One's Own Life Reincarnation to save Sakura from lethal wound - did all this does not count as her pros too cause they all plot indiced(VS does not account plot).

      Madao4life wrote:

      64 palms has only been used on genin naruto and the wood clone monster, so there is nothing to say that a far more superior jounin, and byakugou seal sakura cannot react to any of those palms.

      She cannot because that's the way show this jutsu work and no Sakura is no "superior jounin" whatever you mean by this title won't help her.

      Madao4life wrote: to summon you merely bit your hand and slap it on the ground. no more than 2 seconds. hinata has no hopes of winning the battle if she can't even get close to sakura.

      Facepalm it's summons chakra that get's depleted after they summoned, so yes attack that you mentoned will most likely vanish slug(even if it theoretically posible wich is arguable).

      you missed my point. battle wits. hinata has none. both are not skilled fighters. but sakura has displayed some in the past. get it?

      you also cannot prove that 64 palm cannot be countered. as far as i know hinata faltered after 32 steps and had to struggle to finish it in the war arc. she does not have amazing light speed so it is quite unreasonable to say 64 palms cannot be stopped with a powerful counter. jounins in general are superior to genin unskilled naruto, and a brainless wood monster, that's common sense in narutoverse.

      sure, it'll get depleted, but not before hinata get melted by the huge pool of acid. katsuyu is loyal enough as shown in tsunade's recovery after edo tensei madara cut her into half. orochimaru was wary of katsuyu when he approached tsunade.

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    • Madao4life wrote:

      you missed my point. battle wits. hinata has none. both are not skilled fighters. but sakura has displayed some in the past. get it?

      And you missed mine it does not matter how many "wins" Sakura has if none of them against Hinata.

      Madao4life wrote:

      you also cannot prove that 64 palm cannot be countered. as far as i know hinata faltered after 32 steps and had to struggle to finish it in the war arc. she does not have amazing light speed so it is quite unreasonable to say 64 palms cannot be stopped with a powerful counter. jounins are superior to genin unskilled naruto, and a brainless wood monster, that's common sense.

      I don't need to prove anything since this the way jutsu work, you are one who made claim that Sakura somehow can break it, so burden of proof is on you. And both Naruto and Sasuke were genin while oneshoting every known jounin of the world.

      Madao4life wrote: sure, it'll get depleted, but not before hinata get melted by the huge pool of acid. katsuyu is loyal enough as shown in tsunade's recovery after edo tensei madara cut her into half. orochimaru was wary of katsuyu when he approached tsunade.

      And you know this because? When slug threatened Oro it was only one and very near of him, you don't know if Katsuyu able to pull what you suggested, and even if she can it will be at distance(otherwise dangerous for Sakura) you don't know range for clone(it must be lesser considering size) and big shot(from big slug not clones) can be easily avoided since it single even ignoring question if will it reach Hinata or not.

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote:

      you missed my point. battle wits. hinata has none. both are not skilled fighters. but sakura has displayed some in the past. get it?

      And you missed mine it does not matter how many "wins" Sakura has if none of them against Hinata.

      Madao4life wrote:

      you also cannot prove that 64 palm cannot be countered. as far as i know hinata faltered after 32 steps and had to struggle to finish it in the war arc. she does not have amazing light speed so it is quite unreasonable to say 64 palms cannot be stopped with a powerful counter. jounins are superior to genin unskilled naruto, and a brainless wood monster, that's common sense.

      I don't need to prove anything since this the way jutsu work, you are one who made claim that Sakura somehow can break it, so burden of proof is on you. And both Naruto and Sasuke were genin while oneshoting every known jounin of the world.

      Madao4life wrote: sure, it'll get depleted, but not before hinata get melted by the huge pool of acid. katsuyu is loyal enough as shown in tsunade's recovery after edo tensei madara cut her into half. orochimaru was wary of katsuyu when he approached tsunade.

      And you know this because? When slug threatened Oro it was only one and very near of him, you don't know if Katsuyu able to pull what you suggested, and even if she can it will be at distance(otherwise dangerous for Sakura) you don't know range for clone(it must be lesser considering size) and big shot(from big slug not clones) can be easily avoided since it single even ignoring question if will it reach Hinata or not.

      no, your point is off topic so i corrected you that my first post was to state how hinata's lack of planning hinder her battles.

      naruto and sasuke are obviously god powers, other hokages can't do a thing against them because they're reincarnations of some other gods, yada yada. again, you're off topic and deliberately ignoring the common sense of naruverse that trained jounins > mindless wood monsters > unskilled genins.

      hinata fumbled after 32 steps, that's a manga proof right there, unlike your ludicrous claim that 64 palms cannot be stopped no matter what.

      what orochimaru saw at tsunade's recovery scene is merely a small clone, struggling to stay by her side and heal her, and yet orochimaru, the slyest ninja of all remained wary of her, because he has been one of the sannin and know what katsuyu is capable of.

      chapter 632 full katsuyu's size is simply too big for hinata to handle, and thousands of clones would weaken and ultimately overpower hinata. all while sakura is protected in a katsuyu clone.

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    • Madao4life wrote:

      no, your point is off topic so i corrected you that my first post was to state how hinata's lack of planning hinder her battles.

      Just go check archives VS threads.-_- In VS Hinata will have intent to kill, so all what you are saing is pointless.

      Madao4life wrote:

      naruto and sasuke are obviously god powers, other hokages can't do a thing against them because they're reincarnations of some other gods, yada yada. again, you're off topic and deliberately ignoring the common sense of naruverse that trained jounins > mindless wood monsters > unskilled genins.

      And Jonin Sakura still weaker than Genin Gaara, get the point do not matter in VS.

      Madao4life wrote:

      hinata fumbled after 32 steps, that's a manga proof right there, unlike your claim that 64 palms cannot be stopped.

      Hinata is caster so ofcourse she can stop it at any point. But Hinata fumbled =/= Sakura interupts, especially when Hinata mastered it afterwards.

      Madao4life wrote: katsuyu's size is simply too big for hinata to handle, and thousands of clones would weaken and ultimately overpower hinata. all while sakura is protected in a katsuyu clone.

      Yeah because you say so. -_- I don't see any argument that counter what i said, in your sentence.

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    • Madao4life wrote: yes, and konohamaru can kill naruto with rasengan. anybody can kill anybody with a well placed strike, the problem is the counter strike, and who has the better endurance (in this case clearly sakura win with regeneration).

      immobilize with a few jabs? what technique is that?

      as lee said to sasuke in the chunin exams, just because you can see doesn't mean you can react in time, as kaguya demonstrated when sakura punched her.

      are you saying jiraiya's fight with pain isn't fair as well? because he used ma and pa? as the chunin exam jounins said to naruto when he complained about akamaru, it is completely fair in their ninja world to utilise whatever skills they have.

      Except that it's not that easy. Omly the Hyugas are able to easily attack the Chakra Network. One jab to the heart and Sakura is deadm not that hard to understand.

      It's called Gentle Fist. 64 Palms isn't the only way Hinata can immbolize Sakura

      Lee was way faster than Sasukw. Nothing does that Sakura is faster than Hinata

      He was fighting all of the Pains, so I don't know why you are mentioning that fight. I never said that Sakura summoning Katsuyu it's unfair, don't put words in my mouth. I was saying that suggesting Katsuyu fight for Sakura is stupid because this is a fight between Sakura and Hinata, not Katsuyu and Hinata

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote:

      no, your point is off topic so i corrected you that my first post was to state how hinata's lack of planning hinder her battles.

      Just go check archives VS threads.-_- In VS Hinata will have intent to kill, so all what you are saing is pointless.

      Madao4life wrote:

      naruto and sasuke are obviously god powers, other hokages can't do a thing against them because they're reincarnations of some other gods, yada yada. again, you're off topic and deliberately ignoring the common sense of naruverse that trained jounins > mindless wood monsters > unskilled genins.

      And Jonin Sakura still weaker than Genin Gaara, get the point do not matter in VS.

      Madao4life wrote:

      hinata fumbled after 32 steps, that's a manga proof right there, unlike your claim that 64 palms cannot be stopped.

      Hinata is caster so ofcourse she can stop it at any point. But Hinata fumbled =/= Sakura interupts, especially when Hinata mastered it afterwards.

      Madao4life wrote: katsuyu's size is simply too big for hinata to handle, and thousands of clones would weaken and ultimately overpower hinata. all while sakura is protected in a katsuyu clone.

      Yeah because you say so. -_- I don't see any argument that counter what i said, in your sentence.

      and sakura will also have intent to kill, so what's pointless?

      again, off topic. why is gaara, a jinchuriki here? is hinata a jin too? do you mean to say titles mean absolutely nothing, so i can claim that genin hinata is stronger than chunin hinata?

      the fact that she fumbled means there is an opening, so it is not a light speed jutsu that cannot be stopped as you claimed.

      no, you are the one who denies katsuyu's capabilities in battle (many manga scenes like vs manda, orochimaru, and pain) and instead focus on what hinata can do, treating her like the only one battling and the others as dummies.

      UltimaDude wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: yes, and konohamaru can kill naruto with rasengan. anybody can kill anybody with a well placed strike, the problem is the counter strike, and who has the better endurance (in this case clearly sakura win with regeneration).

      immobilize with a few jabs? what technique is that?

      as lee said to sasuke in the chunin exams, just because you can see doesn't mean you can react in time, as kaguya demonstrated when sakura punched her.

      are you saying jiraiya's fight with pain isn't fair as well? because he used ma and pa? as the chunin exam jounins said to naruto when he complained about akamaru, it is completely fair in their ninja world to utilise whatever skills they have.

      Except that it's not that easy. Omly the Hyugas are able to easily attack the Chakra Network. One jab to the heart and Sakura is deadm not that hard to understand.

      It's called Gentle Fist. 64 Palms isn't the only way Hinata can immbolize Sakura

      Lee was way faster than Sasukw. Nothing does that Sakura is faster than Hinata

      He was fighting all of the Pains, so I don't know why you are mentioning that fight. I never said that Sakura summoning Katsuyu it's unfair, don't put words in my mouth. I was saying that suggesting Katsuyu fight for Sakura is stupid because this is a fight between Sakura and Hinata, not Katsuyu and Hinata

      not so with regeneration. tsunade and sakura have survived serious injuries thanks to the seal, i don't understand why you're denying this ability.

      in order to strike her body, hinata has to get close, and sakura will not stand there as a practice target for her.

      yes, and nothing says byakugan automatically makes you evade everything. sakura proved that against kaguya.

      why is it stupid? why can't a ninja utilise their skillset? hanzo of the salamander always used his summon, and won against the young sannin, jiraiya, tsunade, and orochimaru.

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    • When has Hinata ever aimed to kill or go for a major artery like the heart? Yea no. We base fights of how the character works not how we want them to. Don't base facts on the databooks especially stats, I thought that was ruled out because its just inconsistent. Sakura has shown very good reaction and evasive speed so even though Hinata is a bit superior in striking speed than Sakura, Sakura is well enough to counter. Hinata has not displayed the ability to one hit shot and severe her chakra network. She'll need to hit several times and you can't be that crazy to believe Hinata will always land a hit while Sakura will always miss, Byakugan or not. Hinata has shown no more better movement speed than Sakura and Sakura specializes in it. Because of her strength, she doesn't even have to actually hit Hinata. Sakura has indeed shown tp pick up a boulder when lifting off Chiyo's arm, and in the amime, when she dug and lifted a huge parr pf the ground to shield herself from wood spikes. Hinata has the air palm. Its range isn't as far as we know far, at least not as far Sakura's ground crushing attack will travel. If Sakura were to get hit with the move lets say for starters, it wouldn't shut down her chakra network as shown it did nothing but lift Kisame off his feet. Katsuyu may not be a battling type but it can make for a good distraction as its large size will definitely keep Hinata on edge along with it using its acid and resilience it has shown to attacks. And Hyuga or not Hinata is no master pf taijutsu and not even a Gentle Fist master either (databook says it not). Like I said Sakura wins with mid to high difficulty.

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    • Madao4life wrote:

      and sakura will also have intent to kill, so what's pointless?

      Her plot induced "wins".

      Madao4life wrote:

      again, off topic. why is gaara, a jinchuriki here? is hinata a jin too? do you mean to say titles mean absolutely nothing, so i can claim that genin hinata is stronger than chunin hinata?

      Facepalm. No just can't claim that Jounin Sakura stronger than Chunin Hinata solely because of ranks. -_-

      Madao4life wrote:

      the fact that she fumbled means there is an opening, so it is not a light speed jutsu that cannot be stopped as you claimed.

      Yes she did when she fumbled later she mastered it, wich means in VS against Sakura there will be no oppening.

      Madao4life wrote: no, you are the one who denies katsuyu's capabilities in battle (many manga scenes like vs manda, orochimaru, and pain) and instead focus on what hinata can do, treating her like the only one battling and the others as dummies.

      -_- Katsuyu's capabilities in battle? lol. Against Manda she was support, she did not fight Oro only threatened him and no way in hell she fighted Pain. And sorry to say but Sakura's fight style really reaminds that of dummy.

      Rachin123 wrote:

      When has Hinata ever aimed to kill or go for a major artery like the heart? Yea no. We base fights of how the character works not how we want them to.

      Lol with this, Sakura and Hinata will never have a fight to begin with.

      Rachin123 wrote:

      Don't base facts on the databooks especially stats I thought that was ruled out because its just inconsistent.
      

      Refer me to when did matter of discussion of that Thread became actuall rule for VS? And yes in case of Hinata and Sakura it reflect them perfectly.

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote:

      and sakura will also have intent to kill, so what's pointless?

      Her plot induced "wins".

      Madao4life wrote:

      again, off topic. why is gaara, a jinchuriki here? is hinata a jin too? do you mean to say titles mean absolutely nothing, so i can claim that genin hinata is stronger than chunin hinata?

      Facepalm. No just can't claim that Jounin Sakura stronger than Chunin Hinata solely because of ranks. -_-

      Madao4life wrote:

      the fact that she fumbled means there is an opening, so it is not a light speed jutsu that cannot be stopped as you claimed.

      Yes she did when she fumbled later she mastered it, wich means in VS against Sakura there will be no oppening.

      Madao4life wrote: no, you are the one who denies katsuyu's capabilities in battle (many manga scenes like vs manda, orochimaru, and pain) and instead focus on what hinata can do, treating her like the only one battling and the others as dummies.

      -_- Katsuyu's capabilities in battle? lol. Against Manda she was support, she did not fight Oro only threatened him and no way in hell she fighted Pain. And sorry to say but Sakura's fight style really reaminds that of dummy.

      i don't understand your point of her plot induced wins?

      i never said that. i just said it's common sense to claim that jounins > rampaging monsters > unskilled genins, which you think are on the same level.

      you have no proof, panels, or techniques to show though, only hype. hype never helps in debate, like sandaime's hype that he was the god of shinobi, or sth like that in part 1.

      yea, you don't know about katsuyu's capabilities. katsuyu had shown her acid spit attack against manda. imagine mei terumi's acid mist jutsu, but on a far bigger scale. katsuyu also survived pain's shinra tensei and kurama's corrosive chakra, which is more than what hinata is capable of.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: When has Hinata ever aimed to kill or go for a major artery like the heart? Yea no. We base fights of how the character works not how we want them to. Don't base facts on the databooks especially stats, I thought that was ruled out because its just inconsistent. Sakura has shown very good reaction and evasive speed so even though Hinata is a bit superior in striking speed than Sakura, Sakura is well enough to counter. Hinata has not displayed the ability to one hit shot and severe her chakra network. She'll need to hit several times and you can't be that crazy to believe Hinata will always land a hit while Sakura will always miss, Byakugan or not. Hinata has shown no more better movement speed than Sakura and Sakura specializes in it. Because of her strength, she doesn't even have to actually hit Hinata. Sakura has indeed shown tp pick up a boulder when lifting off Chiyo's arm, and in the amime, when she dug and lifted a huge parr pf the ground to shield herself from wood spikes. Hinata has the air palm. Its range isn't as far as we know far, at least not as far Sakura's ground crushing attack will travel. If Sakura were to get hit with the move lets say for starters, it wouldn't shut down her chakra network as shown it did nothing but lift Kisame off his feet. Katsuyu may not be a battling type but it can make for a good distraction as its large size will definitely keep Hinata on edge along with it using its acid and resilience it has shown to attacks. And Hyuga or not Hinata is no master pf taijutsu and not even a Gentle Fist master either (databook says it not). Like I said Sakura wins with mid to high difficulty.

      When has Sakura ever summoned Katsuyu to fight with her and distract the opponents? What evasive and reaction speeds do you speak of? All she has done are basic shinobi manueavars in regards in that area.
      Hinata, like all Hyugas, are trained in high-level Taijutsu. Once she gets close, it's all over for Sakura. The best she can do is to step away and destroy the landscape, which Hinata can easily evade and counter, using Vacuum Palm to destroy the large pieces of debris that may be coming at her way. Hinata can either completely disable Sakura's Chakra Network or kill her with a jab to the heart. What databook are you referring to?

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    • Madao4life wrote:

      i don't understand your point of her plot induced wins?

      She is weaker than Sasori cause even with help from his Grandma, Sakura still recived fatal injury, and lethal poison, so without plot she is one who lost.

      Madao4life wrote:

      i never said that. i just said it's common sense to claim that jounins > rampaging monsters > unskilled genins, which you think are on the same level.

      Ok i make clear for you: Gaara, Sasuke, Neji as genins > as jounin Sakura. And no just being Jounin does not make magically better at everything.

      Madao4life wrote:

      you have no proof, panels, or techniques to show though, only hype. hype never helps in debate, like sandaime's hype that he was once the strongest shinobi in part 1.

      I do not need proof. -_- As i said above you made claim that Sakura can disrupt 64 palm so is up to to prove it. And no Hinata fumbling is not considered as proof.

      Madao4life wrote: yea, you don't know about katsuyu's capabilities. katsuyu had shown her acid spit attack against manda. imagine mei terumi's acid mist jutsu, but on a far bigger scale. katsuyu also survived pain's shinra tensei and kurama's corrosive chakra, which is more than what hinata is capable of.

      Neither do you. So you only mentioned one attack that can be easily avoided by Hinata, and rest it's her defensive moves, they do not matter.

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    • Rage gtx wrote:

      Madao4life wrote:

      i don't understand your point of her plot induced wins?

      She is weaker than Sasori cause even with help from his Grandma, Sakura still recived fatal injury, and lethal poison, so without plot she is one who lost.

      Madao4life wrote:

      i never said that. i just said it's common sense to claim that jounins > rampaging monsters > unskilled genins, which you think are on the same level.

      Ok i make clear for you: Gaara, Sasuke, Neji as jounins > as jounin Sakura. And no just being Jounin does not make magically better at everything.

      Madao4life wrote:

      you have no proof, panels, or techniques to show though, only hype. hype never helps in debate, like sandaime's hype that he was once the strongest shinobi in part 1.

      I do not need proof. -_- As i said above you made claim that Sakura can disrupt 64 palm so is up to to prove it. No Hinata fumbling is not considered proff.

      Madao4life wrote: yea, you don't know about katsuyu's capabilities. katsuyu had shown her acid spit attack against manda. imagine mei terumi's acid mist jutsu, but on a far bigger scale. katsuyu also survived pain's shinra tensei and kurama's corrosive chakra, which is more than what hinata is capable of.

      Neither do you. So you only one attack that can be easily avoided by Hinata, and rest it's her defencive one, they do not matter.

      she was fine until she sacrificed herself for granny and granny paid the favor the same way. don't forget she's the first person who made an antidote to counter sasori's poison in the short time she had.

      you're off topic and missing my point. i keep saying jounins > monsters > genins. why? because you claim that the same 64 palms can bring down those 3 tiers of ninjas/monsters and so you put them on the same level. i do not care in the slightest for your disdain of sakura's rank, but lets have some common sense here and look at what i'm actually saying.

      it is an opening when she is fumbling, a clear manga proof. you on the other hand have no proof that hinata can execute 64 palms perfectly, and you have no proof that sakura cannot do anything in that opening when she fumbles in the 32th step.

      easily avoid, how? have you wiki katsuyu and see how tiny a human is compared to her? i mentioned her defensive capabilities because she can deal with hinata without sustaining injuries.

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    • Sakura has shown to dodge those high speed senbon from Sasori, evade all those arms at the last second from the Thousand Arm jutsu from Sasori, dodge and quickly counter some Sasori's 100 puppets, react fast when at the moment of the portal to lava dimension waa opened and mot only move herself but pick up Obito too (albeit a bit got on her. As a medical-nin evasive skills are key. Now as for the Gentle Fist. How was that ever stated to be a high ranking taijutsu, effective yes bit it was never stated to be high ranking. Now are you saying that as a Hyūga you'd be a great taijutsu fighter? No that is not true because Hinata was at best average taijutsu in Part I. Now she has indeed become better at taijutsu, may I say above average but no wear near master. I like how you say it's all over for Sakura when Hinata gets is close combat with her. What makes you so positive, and don't say because of her fighting style because it all goes about pulling it off. Sakura may not be super fast but she is not slow (movement) to just continuously get hit by Hinata. And that's ignorant to say that there will be no battle if it's not intent on killing. Sakura's fighting style is that (power). Hinata's fighting atyle is more of immobilizing. This is no death match as far as we are aware but we know of the character's personality and trademark patterns of fighting. And what makes you so sure Hinata would "easily" evade the devastating landscape attack. That's being pushy. Also the 32 or 64 or even 128 palm jutsu is not a always hit move so I don't know what you're going on about how there will be no opening. Also while Sakura hasn't used Katsuyu for distraction or help in battle (besides medical calls), it's her summon, why wouldn't she? Also even if she used a summon, it doesn't make her any more a coward than Jiraiya who often uses summons so don't be a hyprocrite. Also why rank doesn't necessarily mean anything, we can take into consiseration that the fact that Sakura who is apparently weaker than Hinata became a jonin and even years later Hinata still hasn't rised to the occassion. It's not like there were exceptions. I mean even Lee who was said to be a failure or even not be a ninja became a jonin.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Sakura has shown to dodge those high speed senbon from Sasori, evade all those arms at the last second from the Thousand Arm jutsu from Sasori, dodge and quickly counter some Sasori's 100 puppets

      With help of Chiyo, may I add...

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    • @Jou Chiyo did not help Sakura dodge the arms, nor the senbon, and as for the puppets, I was only talking about the parts she did on her own (don't know why you think ai would be talking about the whole 100 puppet battle).

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    • @Rachin123 She had help and those feats aren't necessarily impressive.
      The Gentle Fist is a high-level Taijutsu because it can allow the practitioner to immobilize and shut down the target's Chakra Network. Name me another form of Taijutsu that can do that. I'd never said she is great in Taijutsu, just that she uses high-level Taijutsu. All of them are trained to use Gentle Fist. Hinata being a master or not is completely irrelevant
      I said she can either disable Sakura's Chakra Network or jab her at the heart, either way Sakura's screwed. I never claimed that this is a battle to the death, don't put words into my mouth.
      Hinata has the Byakugan, giving her long range, X-ray, and a near 360 degree vision, being able to see Chakra better than the Sharingan, which will allow her to dodge and counter all of Sakura's mid-range attacks
      What makes you think that Sakura will be able to counter the 64 palm, if she's not that great in Taijutsu?
      So you're chastising me for saying that Hinata can kill Sakura because it's against her fighting style, but have no qualms suggesting that Sakura can summon Katsuyu to fight even though it's against her fighting style? Hypocrite much? When did I say that summonings is for cowards? I was making a point to Madao4life, nothing to do with my discussion with you
      First:Being able to beat someone =/= Being stronger, lets get that straight. Second: Using rank to prove someone can beat someone is ridiculous. By that logic, Adult Sakura curbstomps pre-Hagoromo Naruto, who was still a Genin. Yeah, no. Hinata simply did not go on as many missions as Sakura, not that hard to understand.

      (P.S, please use paragraphs)

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    • I'm not chastising you, I'm not even being a hyprocrite. What I said was that all you keep saying is that Hinata can just hit her chakra network or her heart without putting any consideration for what Sakura can do as if she'd stand there. Also how does having great taijutsu have anything to with dodging the 64 palm. Hinata sure doesn't have great taijutsu to begin with either. And yes you did claim it to be a battlw of the death when you said "jab her in the heart". And there you go once again talking about her having the Byakugan. That's like saying if you have the Sharingan you're guaranteed to win. I'm sure Lee proved that. Also I didn't say rank made the person so you obviously didn't read my comment carefully. What I said was it raises talk about how it reflects the two and that while it is proof, it isn't necessarily mean she wins but that it means something. Now you say summoning Katsuyu to help her in battle is not her fighting style, well yes but neither is it Tsunade's yet would you know she did. Both to battle and heal. All you keep going on about is hype with being a Hyūga, using the Gentle Fist and having the Byakugan, while ai made clear descriptions between both girls and my outcome but you clearly have a set opinion. It's just like when someone says Kakashi one shota with Kamui. Anywayse I'm done with this. I said what I had to say. Whether you believe Sakura loses and Hinata wins or vice versa is beyond my further care.

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    • First off, if Neji could shut down Hinata's chakra network without her even noticing in the Chunin Exams as KIDS. Then Hinata could damn sure do it as an adult to Sakura. All Sakura has is Summoning Katsuyu, Byakugo, healing Jutsu and Chakra Enhanced Strength... that's it. Hinata has mid-long range(air palm) and close range techs. She never used Rotation, but she does have other techs, like when she combined her twin lions tech with the 64 palms which if you read both techs you can see a combination would be endgame for Sakura if she was touched ONCE.

      Hinata has

      Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm Gentle Fist Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists

      Discluding her anime and movie techs.

      She is a Hyuga with the Byakugan, therefor she does not need brute force or flashy shit to win in her fights. Lee used brute force and pure speed to fight, Neji was a Hyuga.. Lee never beat him, not once. He never could.

      You also forget that Sakura uses Chakra for her Byakugo and for her Chakra enhance strength. Hinata was trained her whole life to shut chakra shit down. Hinata is literally the worst opponent possible for Sakura.. I don't see Sakura ever beating her.

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    • @UltimaDude i didn't even know you read my posts lol. can you please read both my posts and the naruto manga properly? rather than commenting snidely and not countering my points?

      if you can read properly, i told the other guy to stop thinking that 64 palms cannot be countered, which is simply quite a ludicrous claim. a jounin would have a better chance to disrupt or stop 64 palms from happening than a unskilled genin naruto, or a mindless juubi clone. is it not true? that a trained jounin would fare better in battle than a mindless monster and unskilled genins??

      saying 64 palms have absolutely no opening is a contradiction to my manga proof of hinata faltering after 32 steps.

      all my claims are backed up with actual, legitimate manga feats, where sakura did summon katsuyu, and katsuyu proved to be an overwhelming size, and did shown great offense and defense feats in previous battles. i didn't just make it out of thin air, nor did i back up my claim with hype that has no proof.

      no, that's you. saying hinata can just jab sakura once and be done with it, because your proof !gentle fist! !byakugan! !hyuga! !hyuga clan taijutsu! is strong and undeniable... when hinata has never, i repeat, never shown any proof of being a skilled fighter in manga. a skilled tracker with 10km sight, sure, but a fighter, no.

      your claim is baseless and not legitimate because you can provide no manga proof that hinata is as vicious of a fighter as neji, neji proven himself to be the acclaimed genius of his lifetime and his feats should not be treated as if normal hyugas like hinata can also just jab someone in the heart with absolutely no counter from the enemy.

      hyuga clan hype is no proof, just like "sandaime is god of shinobi" hype.

      p.s. go ahead and start a sakura vs hinata thread on narutoforums.com, then come back and tell me if everybody agree with your hyuga hype proof. i'm honestly quite surprised it's even a question here.

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    • GreatestSin wrote:

      GodlyHades wrote: How do we even know that Sakura can pick up boulders? Just wondering

      she doesnt need to lift boulders in order to turn them into dangerous projectiles, first she smashes the ground, than she kicks big pieces towards hinata :I

      Sakura can't physically throw or kick anything at anyone while using CES, it'll just shatter. And her normal strength is average, at best. So I don't know where you get this idea she can kick large pieces of debris at someone and it not shattering into a million pieces.

      Unless your implying she has this really impressive strength feat I haven't seen before outside of her normal CES feats, which has nothing to do with picking up or kicking (in the term of throwing) anything.

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    • I think we should change the tittle to narusaku vs naruhina but respectively Hinata will still win it.

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    • GodlyHades wrote: Sakura can't physically throw or kick anything at anyone while using CES, it'll just shatter. And her normal strength is average, at best. So I don't know where you get this idea she can kick large pieces of debris at someone and it not shattering into a million pieces.

      Unless your implying she has this really impressive strength feat I haven't seen before outside of her normal CES feats, which has nothing to do with picking up or kicking (in the term of throwing) anything.

      not really, if the boulder is big enough it would simply shatter a bit at the point of impact and fly towards hinata...

      like i said, she doesnt need anything outside of CES...

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    • GreatestSin wrote:

      GodlyHades wrote: Sakura can't physically throw or kick anything at anyone while using CES, it'll just shatter. And her normal strength is average, at best. So I don't know where you get this idea she can kick large pieces of debris at someone and it not shattering into a million pieces.

      Unless your implying she has this really impressive strength feat I haven't seen before outside of her normal CES feats, which has nothing to do with picking up or kicking (in the term of throwing) anything.

      not really, if the boulder is big enough it would simply shatter a bit at the point of impact and fly towards hinata...

      like i said, she doesnt need anything outside of CES...

      I want actual feats of Sakura doing what you said, or hell, any strength feat when it comes to picking up or throwing anything. I'll be inclined to agree after that I just want tangible proof from the MANGA that I can see, I'm sure you understand.

      I know you can't link Manga websites, so just tell me the Chapters from which you spawn your opinion from. Thanks ^^

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    • ^nowhere, but it doesnt mean sakura is incapable of destroying the ground and kicking big boulders around, neither requires the feat of actual lifting, yeah, i used it before as argument, i was wrong, but it still doesnt mean she cant do it, albeit in a different way than i described in previous posts...

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    • what some people fail to realise is that not all Byakugan users can one shot someone with the gentle fist, it takes a lot of skill for a gentle fist user to one shot someone who is not moving, even more skill if the target is moving. Hinata does not have the necessary skill needed to one shot Sakura, whereas Sakura's chakra enhanced strength gives her the means of one shotting Hinata. And don't say that the chakra boost from Hamura would allow her to one shot Sakura, the chakra boost upped her chakra reserves and the strength of her chakra, it didn't boost her skill with the gentle fist.

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    • @Rachin123 Taijutsu is hand-to-hand combat which involves punching, jabbing, kicking, and dodging in close quarters. If someone is a better martial artist than you, then they can dodge most, if not all of your punches/kicks. Has Sakura ever fought with a Hyuga shinobi? No, she has no experience whatsoever in dealing with a person who is trained in high-level taijutsu
      I suggested that she can jab Sakura at the heart, not that she will. Keep ignoring parts where I said she can simply shut down Sakura's Chakra network
      Do you not read what I said? The benefits of the Byakugan will allow Hinata to avoid most, if not all, of Sakura's attacks. Sakura has no advantage that could usurp Hinata's Byakugan, like how Lee was able to move faster than Sasuke's Sharingan. So I don't know why you're mentioning the fight between Lee and Sasuke
      Except that you were implying that it actually means something in regards to this fight, which it doesn't whatsoever
      Tsunade summons Katsuyu after or in-between battles to heal. Not that it matters, because Hinata jabbing someone at the heart isn't against her fighting style, the Gentle Fist

      @Madao4life I am countering your points....
      Except they don't. If they have have never fought a Hyuga before, like in Sakura's case, then they are just as screwed as a Genin Naruto and a mindless Juubi clone
      I said that Sakura won't be able to stop or counter the 64 palms. No contradiction anywhere. And suggesting Hinata will fail to complete the 64 palms is just a silly as saying that Naruto still needs the aide of a clone to make a Rasengan
      Except that Sakura has only summoned Katsuyu once and it was to heal the Shinobi Alliance. So saying that Katsuyu will actually fight in Sakura's place is completely absurd
      Except that it's absolutely true that Hinata, like any other trained Hyuga, can kill someone because of the Gentle Fist. You haven't brought up evidence that suggest that Sakura can defeat Hinata, just that she has CES, Bakugo, and summoning which Hinata can prevent by using 64 palms on her. Hinata lasting more than a minute against Neji during the Chuunin exams, proves that she is a more skilled fighter than Sakura. She only has improved since then. All Sakura improved was her Chakra control and learned the CES/Bakugo, which doesn't equate to skill in Taijutsu Tell me when Sakura has fought against a trained Hyuga, then I will retract my statement of Sakura not being able to counter Hinata in CQC. If freaking Himawari was able to knock out an unsuspecting Naruto with a single jab to the abdomen, then Hinata could do the same, even worse, to an unsuspecting Sakura
      Such a hypocrite. You are bringing fallacious claims. Hinata and other trained Hyuga is the worst match-up for Sakura , since her strong suit is her CES and Bakugo which can easily be shut down. Bring actual evidence that say otherwise

      @Uchiahmasters Like I said above, if freaking Himawari can knock out Naruto with a single jab, then a trained Hyuga can easily one-shot an opponent who has never fought a Hyuga before. Like QuakingStar said, Hinata, and another trained Hyuga for that matter, is the worst match-up for Sakura

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    • I think a lot of Sakura supporters are forgetting a little something about Byakugan. Specifically the part where it says

      The Byakugan is also able to more effectively follow high-speed movements to better react to them.

      Which means that Hinata can track fast-moving things within her field of vision - which happens to be 20km.

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    • I agree, but to point out one thing, Neji's max range was not 800m, that was just what he was looking at.. That was also the beginning of Shippuden. If Hinata can see that far, then Neji the Hyuga Prodigy/Genius who is said to have surpassed his entire clan by the time of DB3 can see farther. But back to the original topic, Sakura cannot beat Hinata.. there is no plot device or main character armor/protection in vs debates so she loses this.

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    • Ah okay, my mistake.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: @Madao4life I am countering your points....
      Except they don't. If they have have never fought a Hyuga before, like in Sakura's case, then they are just as screwed as a Genin Naruto and a mindless Juubi clone
      I said that Sakura won't be able to stop or counter the 64 palms. No contradiction anywhere. And suggesting Hinata will fail to complete the 64 palms is just a silly as saying that Naruto still needs the aide of a clone to make a Rasengan
      Except that Sakura has only summoned Katsuyu once and it was to heal the Shinobi Alliance. So saying that Katsuyu will actually fight in Sakura's place is completely absurd
      Except that it's absolutely true that Hinata, like any other trained Hyuga, can kill someone because of the Gentle Fist. You haven't brought up evidence that suggest that Sakura can defeat Hinata, just that she has CES, Bakugo, and summoning which Hinata can prevent by using 64 palms on her. Hinata lasting more than a minute against Neji during the Chuunin exams, proves that she is a more skilled fighter than Sakura. She only has improved since then. All Sakura improved was her Chakra control and learned the CES/Bakugo, which doesn't equate to skill in Taijutsu Tell me when Sakura has fought against a trained Hyuga, then I will retract my statement of Sakura not being able to counter Hinata in CQC. If freaking Himawari was able to knock out an unsuspecting Naruto with a single jab to the abdomen, then Hinata could do the same, even worse, to an unsuspecting Sakura
      Such a hypocrite. You are bringing fallacious claims. Hinata and other trained Hyuga is the worst match-up for Sakura , since her strong suit is her CES and Bakugo which can easily be shut down. Bring actual evidence that say otherwise

      @Uchiahmasters Like I said above, if freaking Himawari can knock out Naruto with a single jab, then a trained Hyuga can easily one-shot an opponent who has never fought a Hyuga before. Like QuakingStar said, Hinata, and another trained Hyuga for that matter, is the worst match-up for Sakura

      sigh, you didn't counter anything. your bias for hinata lead you to believe that because she's a hyuga, she can do whatever a hyuga is supposed to do.

      skilled neji =/= skilled hinata

      hyuga hype =/= skilled hinata

      neji's feats mean nothing. we are talking about hinata here.

      the hype means nothing. let me give you a better example. hiashi said hyuga taijutsu is the best in konoha. jiraiya said tsunade's taijutsu is the best. however, we know both hype are false, because there is gai.

      byakugan isn't sharingan. as sakura proved against kaguya. you can see it coming, but it's no use if you can't react in time.

      please, read my previous posts instead of saying hyuga this and hyuga that. i already talked about how ninjas has the potential can kill other ninjas, like how toddler himawari caught naruto by suprise. however, in a death battle, do you think the toddler has any chance? in my previous post, did i not mentioned konohamaru can has the potential kill naruto with one well placed strike? and you think manga naruto will let it happen?

      you finally mention one proof of hinata fighting, which is the fight where neji toyed with her, saying he was shutting down her chakra system right from the start, just to humiliate her.. that arc in the Chunin Exams goes out of its way to say that Hinata is untalented, even though kurenai has witness how hard hinata trained for fighting, and she proved herself not a skilled fighter, but a fighter with an indomitable spirit.

      sakura, like the other konoha rookies, have been with the hyuga neji and hyuga hinata in konoha, and you think sakura don't know of their abilities, and will stupidly stand as a practice target for hinata? and how she wouldn't summon katsuyu even when she is at her disposal? sorry, you're the hypocrite here.

      is my claim the stupid one even with manga proof, or is your claim the absurd one with no proof? hinata did falter while doing 64 palms, this is from manga.

      when did sakura ever need to defeat enemies alone? she's always been surrounded by higher tiers ninja so of course she would assume the support position to heal people in manga. and somehow, you think that means katsuyu will forget she has the capability to do damage? manga proof: even without tsunade's instructions, katsuyu threatened orochimaru with a prepared acid spit when she saw orochimaru as a threat to her mistress.

      sakura: ces, summon, regeneration, 3 years worth of chakra

      hinata: close quarters hyuga style taijutsu

      how can hinata win if she can't even get close to sakura? ces sakura created a huge crater where giant juubi clones flew up like little dust specks, and summoning katsuyu takes no more than 2 seconds, bite and slap palm on ground. your logic of 64 palms somehow negating all of that astounds me.

      please re-read the manga and debate with a clear mind. it is quite tiring to debate someone without sound logic.

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    • Sakura hitting Kaguya was plot BS. She isn't even fast enough to attempt it. Kaguya was also highly distracted with Naruto, Kakashi, and Sasuke fighting her.

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    • Yet the argument stands: That Byakugan does not give you an deus ex machina hax where you can evade every attack thrown at you because you can see them coming. It's exactly the same with Sasuke and A's Lightning Cloak. You might see it coming, but your body, for whatever reason, can not follow it. Same here. Just because Hinata has the Byakugan, she is not guaranteed to evade everything, especially not when Sakura continues to destroy the ground they stand on over and over again, robbing Hinata of her stance.

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    • lmao Sakura has never done that repeatedly.. ya'll love making stuff up for Sakura to do huh??

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    • Not necessarily. I just try to see the pros and cons of both characters (as you can see in my earlier messages). And by weighting the odds, I see Sakura winning, just as you don't. No big deal.

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    • Sakura would destroy Hinata!

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    • Eh, more like they are both capable of destroying each other.

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    • is this after Hinata and Sakura had their children

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    • Madao4life wrote: sigh, you didn't counter anything. your bias for hinata lead you to believe that because she's a hyuga, she can do whatever a hyuga is supposed to do.

      skilled neji =/= skilled hinata

      hyuga hype =/= skilled hinata

      neji's feats mean nothing. we are talking about hinata here.

      the hype means nothing. let me give you a better example. hiashi said hyuga taijutsu is the best in konoha. jiraiya said tsunade's taijutsu is the best. however, we know both hype are false, because there is gai.

      byakugan isn't sharingan. as sakura proved against kaguya. you can see it coming, but it's no use if you can't react in time.

      please, read my previous posts instead of saying hyuga this and hyuga that. i already talked about how ninjas has the potential can kill other ninjas, like how toddler himawari caught naruto by suprise. however, in a death battle, do you think the toddler has any chance? in my previous post, did i not mentioned konohamaru can has the potential kill naruto with one well placed strike? and you think manga naruto will let it happen?

      you finally mention one proof of hinata fighting, which is the fight where neji toyed with her, saying he was shutting down her chakra system right from the start, just to humiliate her.. that arc in the Chunin Exams goes out of its way to say that Hinata is untalented, even though kurenai has witness how hard hinata trained for fighting, and she proved herself not a skilled fighter, but a fighter with an indomitable spirit.

      sakura, like the other konoha rookies, have been with the hyuga neji and hyuga hinata in konoha, and you think sakura don't know of their abilities, and will stupidly stand as a practice target for hinata? and how she wouldn't summon katsuyu even when she is at her disposal? sorry, you're the hypocrite here.

      is my claim the stupid one even with manga proof, or is your claim the absurd one with no proof? hinata did falter while doing 64 palms, this is from manga.

      when did sakura ever need to defeat enemies alone? she's always been surrounded by higher tiers ninja so of course she would assume the support position to heal people in manga. and somehow, you think that means katsuyu will forget she has the capability to do damage? manga proof: even without tsunade's instructions, katsuyu threatened orochimaru with a prepared acid spit when she saw orochimaru as a threat to her mistress.

      sakura: ces, summon, regeneration, 3 years worth of chakra

      hinata: close quarters hyuga style taijutsu

      how can hinata win if she can't even get close to sakura? ces sakura created a huge crater where giant juubi clones flew up like little dust specks, and summoning katsuyu takes no more than 2 seconds, bite and slap palm on ground. your logic of 64 palms somehow negating all of that astounds me.

      please re-read the manga and debate with a clear mind. it is quite tiring to debate someone without sound logic.

      People who fail to back up their argument will start attacking other people's credibility.
      Way to ignore my point. Neji's skills >>>> Hinata's skill >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sakura's skills regarding Taijutsu
      Except by the time she's an adult she has fully mastered the Gentle Fist and is only lacking Rotation. It is hilarious how you fail to see that any trained Hyuga is literally the worst match-up for Sakura
      Not once have I said that Gentle Fist is the best Taijutsu, proving once again that you fail to read my points
      No sh!t, except that it can track movement due to it's unique properties. Kaguya was occupied with Naruto and Sasuke who were going to seal her. And if it wasn't for Kakashi, she would have no other way to land a hit on her. This isn't a 4v1
      It's exactly because she is a Hyuga that she can defeat Sakura more so than not, I don't see why you fail to see that. Do you think that Konohamaru will stand a chance in a death battle against Naruto?
      It proves that Hinata has better fighting skills than Sakura. Name me any other character in the Konoha 12 (besides Lee, and probably Sasuke) who can fight Neji as long as Hinata did in CQC? Oh that's right, no one. Hinata losing to Neji, who is superior in literally every other way, means that she's untalented? Yeah, no, I don't know what type of crappy logic is that
      She barely knows any of their techniques and hasn't fought one ever. So she would still get rekt. Do you know how to read? Like what grade are you in? I said Sakura summoning Katsuyu to fight for her is stupid. Not to mention, she only summons Katsuyu to heal people
      So she has never fought a trained Hyuga before and would be screwed if she fights one, gotcha. Assuming Sakura will summon Katsuyu to fight in her place is absurd
      All except summoning won't do jack against Hinata.
      Here's an idea....instead of failing to prove my points wrong, 'why don't you explain exactly why and how Sakura can defeat/kill Hinata'? You haven't done jack

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    • I doubt Sakura stands a chance. If indeed Hinata has mastered Gentle Fist then her speed must be incredible fast while fighting in Gentle fist and since she can strike you with 64 palms in a matter of seconds I don't see Sakura winning. If Lee one of the fastest shinobi and most likely faster then Sakura even when shes in her prime while Genin, couldn't beat Neji who's speed was slower overall but in Gentle Fist was enough, then what makes you think Sakura stands a chance against a Gentle fist master? Its shown whenever a gentle fist user is hitting you, you cannot react. The moment the first two strikes hit Sakura she cannot react. Sure she could break the ground and punch rocks but breaking the ground would be futile because she needs to get close to win, and she also can suffer from that as well. Also if the Byakugan can see hundreds of fast moving arrows shot from a spider weirdo then its safe to assume it can predict an average speed shinobi such as Sakura.

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    • Lol I keep seeing these Hinata lovers saying "if" well you you "if" then she cant and if your whole argument is based on an "if" then you've already lost.

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    • You use if because its an if battle baka. This battle is based on IF Sakura and Hinata were to fight. Everything I've stated is fact. Sakura fans use if too, every debate uses if, your argument is flawed and your opinion is biased. I am no means a Hinata fan but I could care less for her or Sakura, but I know Gentle Fist and I know Sakura is slow, that is fact. A Gentle Fist Master would utterly destroy Sakura. Saying if in a debate does not mean anything what so ever. " if the Byakugan can see hundreds of fast moving arrows shot from a spider weirdo " are you saying because I put if that means it didn't happen and this point I just made right here is flawed? Doubtful.

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    • While the "if" part of a claim in a versus thread does npt in no way can't, I don't think @Gold is being bias because and if he is so is all the Hinata supporters here because all they repeat is "if" for Hinata and not any "if"'s for Sakura as if Sakura has no "if"'s to support her like if she lands "one hit" on Hinata, it's game over period. That's the way Sakura goes. Hinata on the other hand wouldn't fight that way and would try shitting down the opponent's chakra network way before aiming for the heart. Fact. Also for someone who has almost 360 vision and can increase their range of sight, Hinata has hardly been victor to her battles, I wonder why...oh right because just because you have a Byakugan and can see the attack coming, doesn't mean you can dodge it. Also the claim that Hinata can easily avoid a devastating ground attack not to mention the backlash is a bit much. I on the other hand haven't been biased at all and labeled their skills not what I believe to work better in my liking. Also Hinata is no Gentle Fist master. If so please direct me to where it was stated otherwise it's just an assumption you came up for adult Hinata. I mean no shade, I love Hinata, but even now Hinata wasn't able to live up to being the Hyūga heiress.

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    • @Rachin as a Mod you should know the info on the wiki however by stating Hinata is not a master of Gentle Fist astounds me that a Mod such as yourself doesn't even read the wiki you work on. Look at Hinata's wiki page and under abilities under Taijutsu. "and even using the Gentle Fist to relocate Naruto's dislocated shoulder.[31] As an adult, Hinata had mastered the Gentle Fist fighting style.[32]" that being said Hinata is in fact a master. Fact. Guess Mods don't know what they are talking about these days. And don't say Hinata isn't fast, if being able to hit someone 64 times under a minute, isn't fast then what is? She has also avoided fast attacks using her Byakugan, way faster then Sakura's movement speed. She can do that, then there is no reason she couldn't dodge Sakura. Sakura has no support that's because her power is raw strength, and indeed it is very powerful, but it requires a hit in order to be able to do anything. She's better suited as a Medic.

      Continuing on, since now I know Hinata is in fact a master, means everything I stated fact. There are no if's now. Sakura could not hit Hinata, because being a master, Hinata's speed in Gentle Fist would utterly destroy her. I never stated Hinata could avoid the ground attack, though jumping might be enough. Being a master in Gentle fist and having the Byakugan means when she see's a /slow/ attack coming, i'm pretty sure she can avoid it. Sure just because you can see something doesn't mean you can avoid it. But Sakura has no speed that couldn't be avoided. Fact. sure /if/ she could hit Hinata, she could win, but Sakura is too slow and that is why there are no if's for sakura except if she can hit her. Because Sakura's only offensive power is strength and it only requires a hit, and by the time Sakura's fist gets even close to Hinata, Hinata would already be on her 10th palm and Sakuras attack would stop.

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    • Here are the MangaPhax.

      Sakura and Hinata are both strong in different ways. The difference between them is very similar to the difference between Lee and Neji and surprisingly the answer is the same.

      Like Rock Lee, Sakura's source of power lies within her Tenketsu(Chakra Points), Neji and Hinata just so happen to have the ability to disable the Tenketsu blindingly fast.

      In essence. If Sakura get's her Tenketsu disabled she will not have her super strength. Even if Hinata manages to hit only half of her Tenketsu that is half of Sakura's strength gone.

      Hinata has the Ability to dodge any of Sakura's attacks using her near 360 degree field of vision, and can weaken or completely disable Sakura's Tenketsu(Source of Power).

      If Hinata can weaken her enough it will be an easy win. If Sakura manages to keep most of her Tenketsu safe which is highly unlikely then Sakura wins.

      Simple as that.

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    • @Lone You're sarcasm astounds me. I know she was stated to be a Gentle Fist master in the "databooks" but what I meant was where was it shown cuz even in the Boruto movie, a Gentle Fist master with the Byakugan could not stop the enemy because according to how people who support Hinata repeatedly say just because of her heritage, she wins (not word for word but you get the gist), which is so laughable. U also would like to point out that me being a mod has nothing to do with having superior knowledge of the series than normal users, it's my self control and maturity ;)

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      @Phax Well are you saying Hinata is on the same level as Neji? Master or not. And we've been over this. Having near 360 vision, doesn't mean you can dodge every attack. I think Kidōmaru proved that and many of the opponents Hinata faced (manga and anime). Also Neji obviously hasn't Lee at his speed where his weights were off otherwise he wouldn't have been so surprised at it or Lee became faster than he remember. Like I said Hinata has the better striking speed but Sakura has real good evasive skill, proven several times which I pointed out in one of my earlier comments.

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    • Against Toneri, Momoshiki and Kinshiki? You're out of your mind if you think Hinata OR Sakura could win let alone survive 1 minute against either of them, so using the Boruto movie or the Last is just wrong period, that was a horrible use in an argument man.

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    • @Rachin you asked where it stated, I gave you it. The fact is Hinata is a master. Not because of her heritage. Sure if this was pre master Hinata I could see Sakura maybe having a chance but the fact is she is losing, but Hinata is faster then Sakura, fast enough to last against neji for minutes who beat Lee regulary someone way faster then Sakura. That alone proves my argument. Sakura cannot keep up and cannot land a hit because she is slow. If you can't see that even when facts such as Kishimoto's databooks created by the writer stating Hinata a master, then arguing with you is pointless. If you think you are right over the writer then I don't see how you cannot be biased.

      Edit: Neji was not surprised when Lee took off his weights. I believe he was surprised when Lee went Eight Gates, and even then he wasn't scared for himself.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Hinata on the other hand wouldn't fight that way and would try shitting down the opponent's chakra network way before aiming for the heart. Fact. Also for someone who has almost 360 vision and can increase their range of sight, Hinata has hardly been victor to her battles, I wonder why...oh right because just because you have a Byakugan and can see the attack coming, doesn't mean you can dodge it. Also the claim that Hinata can easily avoid a devastating ground attack not to mention the backlash is a bit much. I on the other hand haven't been biased at all and labeled their skills not what I believe to work better in my liking. Also Hinata is no Gentle Fist master. If so please direct me to where it was stated otherwise it's just an assumption you came up for adult Hinata. I mean no shade, I love Hinata, but even now Hinata wasn't able to live up to being the Hyūga heiress.

      Hinata CAN shut down Sakura's heart in a single jab. Fact. Sakura has no way of overcoming Hinata's Byakugan. Fact. Hinata is a better Taijutsu user than Sakura. Fact. Sakura can't escape Hinata's 64 palms. Fact. There's no way that Sakura can surprise Hinata except summoning Katsuyu. Fact. Sakura's "Cherry Blossom Impact" is completely ineffective when Hintata can see it way before it actually hits. Fact. Sakura's strong suits, CES and Strength of a Hundred Seal, is weak against Hinata's, Gentle Fist+Byakugan. Fact. Heck, Hinata can totally nullify Sakura's CES with only several jabs just like how Neji nullify her Gentle Fist during the Chunnin Exams. I'm not biased whatsoever, I'm merely stating actual facts based on the manga. People need to realize that strength isn't the only key factor in fights
      Also, I thought you were "done with this"

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    • Hinata was also able to sneak up on Deva Path although it was unsuccessful.. when she was a 16yr old kid. Sakura had main character armor the whole series, with main character contrasting too(contrasting her against nerfed characters/plot weakened characters) or always having somebody to help her in her fights that matter.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Lone You're sarcasm astounds me. I know she was stated to be a Gentle Fist master in the "databooks" but what I meant was where was it shown cuz even in the Boruto movie, a Gentle Fist master with the Byakugan could not stop the enemy because according to how people who support Hinata repeatedly say just because of her heritage, she wins (not word for word but you get the gist), which is so laughable. U also would like to point out that me being a mod has nothing to do with having superior knowledge of the wiki than normal users, it's my self control and maturity ;)

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      @Phax Well are you saying Hinata is on the same level as Neji? Master or not. And we've been over this. Having near 360 vision, doesn't mean you can dodge every attack. I think Kidōmaru proved that and many of the opponents Hinata faced (manga and anime). Also Neji obviously hasn't Lee at his speed where his weights were off otherwise he wouldn't have been so surprised at it or Lee became faster than he remember. Like I said Hinata has the better striking speed but Sakura has real good evasive skill, proven several times which I pointed out in one of my earlier comments.

      I never once said Hinata is on the same level as Neji.(Don't know where you got that from)

      Also I never said Hinata can dodge everything.(Don't know where you got that from either)

      In all honesty Sakura has shown no amazing speed feats, without a doubt Byakugan can easily keep up with her considering that it's preceptive powers are greater than the Sharingan.(And the sharingan has been proven to keep up with much faster characters than Sakura).

      Like I said. If Hinata can damage Sakura's Tenketsu she will win. It's all up to if Sakura can avoid being hit.

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    • @Star My point is not those characters in particular but to show that having the Byakugan or being a gentle fist master doesn't mean you win automatically just because of what it can do.

      Edit: @Star That was also anime only and now you want tp accept anime as a fact. Also Pain could have just used the Almighty Push again but because of "plot" he chose not to, nothing was stopping him, he just stood there and dodged and even so she grazed him. Who saud the Deva Path was that fast anyways (anime only when he skated across the water made no sense as he now chose to use that speed when Naruto turned). And honestly all good characters who are close to the main character Naruto has plot armor so stop with that.

      @Lone Yes I know Hinata is a master (databook claim), and I'm not necessarily dismissing it, but I'm just speaking out as databooks say a lot of stuff and proves wrong 90% percent of the time so in a way I do think in some cases I am right over the writer when I use the manga which he made just to mess up. Now we don't know how good Lee who fought Neji was, we could make assumptions but we know that it wasn't the sane Lee from the Chūnin Exams because Neji was surprised like hell. I give Hinata props for lasting that long, although he took it easy on her. Fact. However, for someone who you claim to be "above" Neji who by the start of Patt II was claimed to be the strongest of the Hyūga, we have no proof but assumptions. Also Sakura may not be all that fast striking wise but she is reaction and movement wise. You keep making claims that Hinata is way faster Sakura, well what proof do you have of that?

      @Ultima I never saud Hinata couldn't shut down Sakura-s heart with a jab, just said it would be the last thing should would do. Hinata does have better taijutsu than Sakura I can admit that but Sakura has her good evasive skills. Hinata's Byakugan will not see the attack before it happens what? She'd see where it spans from vut that doesn't mean she'd avoid it or at least "easily" as you've said in the past. Neji shit down Hinata's network without her knowing but that's how fast he was. We have no way to believe Hinata can do the same without Sakura knowing. Again you compare Hinata to Neji as if she's done things on his level. It damn near took her 5 years to finally master the 64 while he been did so years before and done a more powerful version (128 palm - anime only). Also I said I was done with this, but I was directing that towards you because you were being biased and continued to look at only Hinata's strengths and not Sakura's, which at least I did. I know strength doesn't mean everything, I never said ut did so I guess that statement is towards someone else.

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    • @Raichin watch Hinatas 64 palms or anime related techniques or any techniques that require high speed movement. Then watch sakura wave her fist around and tell me who is faster when it comes to fighting style. Sure just because you can see something doesn't mean you win. However no one said that. Everyone says Sakura is slow thus Hinata can dodge, not just because she can see the attack coming, but because she can also react fast enough because Sakura is /slow/. also watch anyone getting effected by the 64 palms, as soon as they are hit, they cannot react. As soon as the first palm touches Sakura, Sakura loses. I do not claim Hinata to be above Neji however thinking about it now, her visual prowess is greater then Neji's and Neji did not master Gentle Fist so I do not know. The Databook might be wrong about a few things but skills are never things it is wrong. The fact is we have not seen Hinata since she became a master use her power against a standard shinobi, since she became a master we got over powered dojutsu users. So therefore stating for us to present this information from the manga is impossible. That's like Kishi finally finishing the Naruto Series and stating in the databook that Boruto became Hokage eventually, but telling us to state it using something other then the Databook (not true just an example). Not possible. When Hinata actually fights someone such as Sakura or a shinobi with decent to no speed, then we can determine how fast she moves compared to them. Until then, we use the Databook. Don't like it, take it up with the other mods and get that statement of her being a master removed permanently.

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    • @Lone What are you talking about? I'm not gonna complain to mods, for what?. I disagree with it but it's a fact until proven otherwise and Neji being strongest of Hyūga in Part II gives him the title of a Gentle Fist master already. Also I'm sure I admitted Hinata is faster than Sakura striking speed but in no way showed to be faster movement speed, I mean although I disagree with stats, Hinata had a 2.5 for speed while Sakura had a 3 in Part II. They could've gotten faster from Part II, but have we don't proof if so or how much. But if you want to go along with the "databooks" then Sakura is faster than Hinata as far as it goes. So if Sakura is slow, Hinata is slower in general.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I never saud Hinata couldn't shut down Sakura-s heart with a jab, just said it would be the last thing should would do. Hinata does have better taijutsu than Sakura I can admit that but Sakura has her good evasive skills. Hinata's Byakugan will not see the attack before it happens what? She'd see where it spans from vut that doesn't mean she'd avoid it or at least "easily" as you've said in the past. Neji shit down Hinata's network without her knowing but that's how fast he was. We have no way to believe Hinata can do the same without Sakura knowing. Again you compare Hinata to Neji as if she's done things on his level. It damn near took her 5 years to finally master the 64 while he been did so years before and done a more powerful version (128 palm - anime only). Also I said I was done with this, but I was directing that towards you because you were being biased and continued to look at only Hinata's strengths and not Sakura's, which at least I did. I know strength doesn't mean everything, I never said ut did so I guess that statement is towards someone else.

      You have yet to explain how Sakura will fair against Hinata in CQC. Seeing something very far away will allow you to get out of the way all of the time, unless it's very fast or you're pre-occupied. Sakura's speed isn't great, so Hinata can easily dodge or counter all of her mid-range attacks. Hinata's superior Taijutsu will allow her to cancel Sakura's CES, be able to do it without her knowing is a another story. I don't like Hinata as much as I did a while ago, so how can I be bias? Giving facts =/= Being facts. Did you not read all of my posts? I looked at both Hinata's and Sakura's strengths, so don't accuse me of "only looking at Hinata's strengths". Simply, Hinata's strengths nullifies Sakura's. And you continue to reply to me

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    • @Rachin you just said Hinata being a master is a fact until proven otherwise. The Databook stats could be right, Sakura could be a 3 and Hinata is 2.5 in speed. However during Gentle Fist attacks she is extremely fast due to the technique. When a punch is coming she will see it coming and using /Gentle Fist/ she can counter to avoid it. You say provide feats, where's your feats of Sakura's speed, which feat compares to 64 palms or over 100 palms in under a minute? when you show me something that compares, then I will give Sakura a fighting chance. Hinata is a master at Gentle Fist and her Dojutsu prowess is better then Neji's that's all she needs to win. She also has the Vaccum Palm and doesn't even need to get close to Sakura. Once Sakura is within range, she loses against 64 palms this is fact.

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    • @Ultima Are you suggesting that Sakura's CBI is slow because it's not. You must have not seen how big and fast she obliterated a large amount of an area, and you make it seem just because Hinata has the Byakugan mean she can avoid the attack and every one way not even considering she may get hit or fall. But when it comes to Sakura, she's not great at taijutsu like Hinata is who specialises in dealing with shutting down chakra. I at least admitted that that would be a problem for Sakura but Sakura gas indeed witnessed what a Hyūga can do during Hinata and Neji's battle so she'd most likely not rush in for close combat. And I have looked at your posts and you just kept pointing out Hinata this, Hinata that, she can one shot Sakura with a jab in the heart but nothing for Sakura being able to possibly being able to one shot Hinata with an atrack that is always that unless avoided while Hinata would most likely use that as a last resort based on what we know about her not saying it couldn't happen or even if she'd need to go that far. I don't know man, I guess we have to agree to disagree.

      @Lone Well seeing how as far as we know Sakura is overall faster than Sakura (by databooks) that comes into play in battle. Hinata will see it coming, yes, maybe she can even dodge it but hopefully she can avoid the devastating smash of the ground if it happens that way. I already stated Sakura's speed and reaction feats in my earlier comments:

      Rachin123 wrote: Sakura has shown to dodge those high speed senbon from Sasori, evade all those arms at the last second from the Thousand Arm jutsu from Sasori, dodge and quickly counter some Sasori's 100 puppets, react fast when at the moment of the portal to lava dimension waa opened and mot only move herself but pick up Obito too (albeit a bit got on her. As a medical-nin evasive skills are key.

      The 64 palm is a fast striking move indeed but don't automatically count out Sakura. Hinata also has the Air Palm which is handy for kid range in a similar way like Sakura's CBI except its not as widespread as it is. I mean I counted my cards and I still believe Sakuea to be victor wuth mid to high difficulty. I mean what is your difficulty for Hinata's win?

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    • UltimaDude wrote:

      Madao4life wrote: sigh, you didn't counter anything. your bias for hinata lead you to believe that because she's a hyuga, she can do whatever a hyuga is supposed to do.

      skilled neji =/= skilled hinata

      hyuga hype =/= skilled hinata

      neji's feats mean nothing. we are talking about hinata here.

      the hype means nothing. let me give you a better example. hiashi said hyuga taijutsu is the best in konoha. jiraiya said tsunade's taijutsu is the best. however, we know both hype are false, because there is gai.

      byakugan isn't sharingan. as sakura proved against kaguya. you can see it coming, but it's no use if you can't react in time.

      please, read my previous posts instead of saying hyuga this and hyuga that. i already talked about how ninjas has the potential can kill other ninjas, like how toddler himawari caught naruto by suprise. however, in a death battle, do you think the toddler has any chance? in my previous post, did i not mentioned konohamaru can has the potential kill naruto with one well placed strike? and you think manga naruto will let it happen?

      you finally mention one proof of hinata fighting, which is the fight where neji toyed with her, saying he was shutting down her chakra system right from the start, just to humiliate her.. that arc in the Chunin Exams goes out of its way to say that Hinata is untalented, even though kurenai has witness how hard hinata trained for fighting, and she proved herself not a skilled fighter, but a fighter with an indomitable spirit.

      sakura, like the other konoha rookies, have been with the hyuga neji and hyuga hinata in konoha, and you think sakura don't know of their abilities, and will stupidly stand as a practice target for hinata? and how she wouldn't summon katsuyu even when she is at her disposal? sorry, you're the hypocrite here.

      is my claim the stupid one even with manga proof, or is your claim the absurd one with no proof? hinata did falter while doing 64 palms, this is from manga.

      when did sakura ever need to defeat enemies alone? she's always been surrounded by higher tiers ninja so of course she would assume the support position to heal people in manga. and somehow, you think that means katsuyu will forget she has the capability to do damage? manga proof: even without tsunade's instructions, katsuyu threatened orochimaru with a prepared acid spit when she saw orochimaru as a threat to her mistress.

      sakura: ces, summon, regeneration, 3 years worth of chakra

      hinata: close quarters hyuga style taijutsu

      how can hinata win if she can't even get close to sakura? ces sakura created a huge crater where giant juubi clones flew up like little dust specks, and summoning katsuyu takes no more than 2 seconds, bite and slap palm on ground. your logic of 64 palms somehow negating all of that astounds me.

      please re-read the manga and debate with a clear mind. it is quite tiring to debate someone without sound logic.

      People who fail to back up their argument will start attacking other people's credibility.
      Way to ignore my point. Neji's skills >>>> Hinata's skill >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sakura's skills regarding Taijutsu
      Except by the time she's an adult she has fully mastered the Gentle Fist and is only lacking Rotation. It is hilarious how you fail to see that any trained Hyuga is literally the worst match-up for Sakura
      Not once have I said that Gentle Fist is the best Taijutsu, proving once again that you fail to read my points
      No sh!t, except that it can track movement due to it's unique properties. Kaguya was occupied with Naruto and Sasuke who were going to seal her. And if it wasn't for Kakashi, she would have no other way to land a hit on her. This isn't a 4v1
      It's exactly because she is a Hyuga that she can defeat Sakura more so than not, I don't see why you fail to see that. Do you think that Konohamaru will stand a chance in a death battle against Naruto?
      It proves that Hinata has better fighting skills than Sakura. Name me any other character in the Konoha 12 (besides Lee, and probably Sasuke) who can fight Neji as long as Hinata did in CQC? Oh that's right, no one. Hinata losing to Neji, who is superior in literally every other way, means that she's untalented? Yeah, no, I don't know what type of crappy logic is that
      She barely knows any of their techniques and hasn't fought one ever. So she would still get rekt. Do you know how to read? Like what grade are you in? I said Sakura summoning Katsuyu to fight for her is stupid. Not to mention, she only summons Katsuyu to heal people
      So she has never fought a trained Hyuga before and would be screwed if she fights one, gotcha. Assuming Sakura will summon Katsuyu to fight in her place is absurd
      All except summoning won't do jack against Hinata.
      Here's an idea....instead of failing to prove my points wrong, 'why don't you explain exactly why and how Sakura can defeat/kill Hinata'? You haven't done jack

      how ironic, especially the bolded parts. i'm done. i don't know what i was expecting from you when you haven't had any valid claims since the very first post. you have proven so many times you do not take well to facts, lol.

      at the very least, please attempt to brush up on your comprehension skills :*

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    • UltimaDude is right. Hinata only lacks rotation. That's it. Plus she has Hamura's chakra gift, which being the "Byakugan Princess"/"pure byakugan eyes" just like with Sasuke and Naruto awakening their own portion of Six Paths Chakra thanks to Hag's Chakra gift, Hinata had to have awakened her own portion of very special chakra thanks to Hamura. It's only common logic. Let's face it, Rock Lee would murder Sakura. Lee couldn't ever even touch Neji let alone dream of beating him. Hinata is now a Gentle Fist Master and she has more than probably mastered her Byakugan. Sakura's worst nightmare are Hyuga Gentle Fist Masters. Now we know Neji, even in the 4th War is in a different league than any form of Hinata. But Hinata is not a weakling and in fact Naruto even talks about how strong(general term as in she is altogether strong, not just in certain points) Hinata is quite often from the 4th War onwards. Only thing he ever talked about in Sakura's favor was her med techs(when she healed him and when she used byakugo to punch the TTJ clone) and her chakra enhanced strength(TTJ Clone Punch and when she punched the ground at the bell test).... that's it. Sasuke says Sakura isn't some weak woman and says she might be able to beat Shin basically.. but as we saw that was BS as Shin was treating her like Sasori did, until Sasuke came in to save the day with Susanoo. Sakura is overestimated, while Hinata is underestimated. That's very clear.

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    • @Star Naruto said how great Konohamaru was with facing the Naraka Path and. He's always giving compliments away. Stop making it seem because Hinata gets more kiss up from Naruto about being "strong" that proves she is just that much better than the person who he didn't need to baby. Also so you call bs when it's Sakura hitting Kaguya and when Sasuke says Sakura is no weakling (despite that being out his of character so be must have faith in her abilities) but is perfectly fine with using the fight with Pain when she grazed him with the Gentle Step Twin Lions Fist although he really could've used the Almighty Push again as he originally was (plooooot). While I'll admit a Hyūga is probably the worst match up for her as they can cancel her chakra network but that goes for anyone using chakra period, honestly, but that doesn't mean automatic winner does it no. Hinata's "gift" has yet to show such impressive feats. If you count the collaboration she did with Naruto I guess so stop with the assumptions that her abilities are on a whole new level. Also the Lee that lost to Neji was obviously not the same Lee at the exams just saying. Nobody is overestimating Sakura and underestimaging Hinata, and if you think so than maybe you're doing vice versa.

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    • This is getting too far, but remember Hinata and Sakura are almost equal but they had children so they may have a decrease of chakra or something

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    • Who deleted my response I just posted.....

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      Rock Lee is brute force fighter, faster than Sakura, stronger than Sakura.

      He can't beat Hyuga.

      Hyuga are organ and chakra network manipulating/damaging fighters. They are faster in Taijutsu than Sakura and have the Byakugan. You read its page you know what it can do already.

      Kaguya was fighting 3 people with Six Paths Chakra and didn't even remember that Sakura existed, when Sakura hit her all it did was push her down to the sealing moment. It was not an epic badass powerful attack moment so stop. Hinata DOES. NOT. NEED. BRUTE. FORCE. OR. ITACHI. SPEED. TO. WIN. She can't use Byakugo, Chakra enhanced strength, or healing jutsu if her chakra/chakra network is fucked, Hinata has the air palm which is med-long range for starters. Stop being a butthurt fanboy already man damn.

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    • QuakingStar wrote: Sakura had main character armor the whole series, with main character contrasting too(contrasting her against nerfed characters/plot weakened characters) or always having somebody to help her in her fights that matter.

      lets be fair: how many important/meaningful fights did hinsta have and won without any help?

      from the top of my head there was a "vs neji" and a "vs juubi-clone", the former she lost and the latter she won (well, nothing special if fodders manage this too), there was the one with nagato and she lost and she fought agaisnt her own close where she won, but nothing really outstanding, im not a sakura fan (really hard to be considering her mental instability regrading sasuke) but downgrading a char simply because she had a lot of screentime and there "plots protection" is not nice,

      i agree, she never had a fight won on her own, on the other hand (as far as my memories go) hinata never had a important fight in the first place :I

      ^you know that lees "cant beat NEJI" is correct right? neji was/is a top-class prodigy, lee wasnt able to beat him, you cant use his loss against neji as a way to say he loses against evey single hyuuga :I

      @seanchew

      im not sure for hinata but sakura should be (if anything) at a highier chakra-pool than her teenage self, afterall her seal had at least 10 years to charge instead of 3 like in the manga :)

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    • ... Hinata got Six Paths Yin Chakra from Hamura, at the end of The Last. Hinata murks Sakura.

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    • ^what can she do with the chakra?

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    • Hinata was not a main character in Shippuden or part 1. She was never going to get contrasted against people.

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    • ^? i know that, i simply wanted to point out that even if sakura had help in all of her matches, we never saw a single equally "important" fight fought by hinata :)

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    • where is my comment wo deleted it >:(

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    • GreatestSin wrote: ^what can she do with the chakra?

      Since it comes from Hamura, it's Six Paths powers. It didn't get her any fancy kekkei genkai or anything, but the chakra alone is extremely powerful.

      Although technically, since Six Paths originates from Hagoromo, i'm not sure if the appropriate name would be Six Paths powers. So it's Hamura's equivalent, just as Tenseigan is Hamura's equivalent of Rinnegan.

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    • ^but what can she do? yeah, she maybe has more chakra we dont know to what extend :I

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    • tenseigan is above rinnegan =x

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    • @GreatestSin Well, she can improve Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists to Eight Trigrams Twin Lions Crumbling Attack. So at least she can improve her techniques.

      @Mcpowa Eh, I would say they're more of equal.

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    • @JouX how so?

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    • Mcpowa wrote: @JouX how so?

      tnseigan gives increased stats alongside flying powers(in chakra mode), and a so-so version of TSB..

      rinnegan gives a lot of different hax ability without a overall increase in stats, but the powers of soul-sucking or chakra-absorption make it equal (depending on situation either one would get the advantage) :)

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    • @Greatest so how will the rinnegan user catch the other dude?

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    • LoneNinja wrote: You use if because its an if battle baka. This battle is based on IF Sakura and Hinata were to fight. Everything I've stated is fact. Sakura fans use if too, every debate uses if, your argument is flawed and your opinion is biased. I am no means a Hinata fan but I could care less for her or Sakura, but I know Gentle Fist and I know Sakura is slow, that is fact. A Gentle Fist Master would utterly destroy Sakura. Saying if in a debate does not mean anything what so ever. " if the Byakugan can see hundreds of fast moving arrows shot from a spider weirdo " are you saying because I put if that means it didn't happen and this point I just made right here is flawed? Doubtful.

      @Lone Ninja baka here i thought a debate is suppose to use facts and canon material instead of all these "if".

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    • Mcpowa wrote: @Greatest so how will the rinnegan user catch the other dude?

      teleport, this counts as rinnegan-power too even if it is unique to sasuke...

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    • @greatestsin just sasuke so doesnt count >.>

      offtopic for u who is stronger tenseigan sasuke or rinnegan?

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    • I forgot all about http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Eight_Trigrams:_Twin_Lions_Crumbling_Attack

      Until it was mentioned... this would be a kill move on Sakura if it even touched her once.

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    • @Star That is bs. What makes you think that even if touches her once, it's game over. That move proved nothing tbh even if it's more powerful. Even if so all of Sakura's strikes are one hit kill moves especially when it comes to the 100 Strength Technique. Also even if Hinata strikes Sakura's chakra points, her medical abilities of the 100 Strength Technique will repair it.

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    • No it will not, you NEED to be able to use chakra to repair yourself, if you can't use chakra you can't heal. Wtf man what is wrong with you

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    • QuakingStar is right. Creation Rebirth heals all physical damage as long as you have chakra. Doesn't help if your chakra isn't flowing though...

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    • As shown with Tsunade it can run out too and it doesn't last long. Madara damn near killed her not long after Naruto left to fight Rinnegan Obito and I am certain Tsunade has MUCH more chakra then Sakura, even if it is easier for Sakura to maintain it since she is young.

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    • Well if Hinata strikes Sakura's forehead where the chakra is flown from for her 100 Strength Technique, she will still have access to chakra, then yes Sakura won't have access to her chakra then. It's like if you striked the person on the left arm, they wouldn't be able to flow chakra to that arm with medical ninjutsu to repair it which Sakura indeed has. Also nothing is wrong with me. And I like how yoh brushed off my comment about how you are overestimating the power of the Eight Trigrams: Twin Lions Crumbling Attack because you jave teal proof on hpw powerful it is. The best the Gentle Step Twin Lions Fist (its derived jutsu ) has shown to do was break Pain's rod, something she could already do with a kik so not impressed. It took Naruto's collaboration to break the Energy Vessel and even then we don't know if it was mostly due to Naruto or even how durable the Energy Vessel was.

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      Tsunade's S100 Jutsu lasted a good amount of time consisering the circumstances. Hinata may now have more chakra than Sakura too but that doesn't make the person. More chakra doesn't mean victor. This is not DBZ where the amount of chi makes the victor.

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    • Mcpowa wrote: @greatestsin just sasuke so doesnt count >.>

      offtopic for u who is stronger tenseigan sasuke or rinnegan?

      i wouldnt say so, afterall teleportation alongside limbo is a rinnegan jutsu, so it would get included in a comparison of the two eyes imo ^_^

      i would say rinnegan sasuke, he could simply teleport behind tenseigan-sasuke, summon a animal for stopping tenseigan-sasuke from moving and than take his soul (the animal maybe isnt even needed) :)

      @raichin

      i highly doubt that hinata has more chakra than sakura, after 3 years of saving sakura was able to heal non-stop and fight during the war, and more importantly, she supported obito for dimension-travelling, this is a feat that even kaguya herself couldnt spam, i didnt count but she used it 7 times or so before recharging with natural energy right? she wasnt empthy but she felt the drain, that means one jump is more or less equal to a bijuus worth of chakra... and sakura saves chakra for 12 years or so, that is 4 times as much as during the war :I i agree with the "chakra isnt everything", i simply wanted to point it out ^_^

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    • @greatestsin so why didn't nagato gt limbos?

      ur right if the opponent is a brain dead tht doesnt react or anything

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    • ^i never said a rinnegan user needs to have all abilitys the rinnegan showed to provide, but we talked about "rinnegan vs tenseigan" not a selected user, so of course it would include every abiity the rinnegan has shown to give, no matter the user...

      or if they are unable to react to a sudden hand touching them from any possible angle :I

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    • This is not the thread to talk about Rinnegan abilities as this has zero to do with Hinata and Sakura so please stay on topic.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Are you suggesting that Sakura's CBI is slow because it's not. You must have not seen how big and fast she obliterated a large amount of an area, and you make it seem just because Hinata has the Byakugan mean she can avoid the attack and every one way not even considering she may get hit or fall. But when it comes to Sakura, she's not great at taijutsu like Hinata is who specialises in dealing with shutting down chakra. I at least admitted that that would be a problem for Sakura but Sakura gas indeed witnessed what a Hyūga can do during Hinata and Neji's battle so she'd most likely not rush in for close combat. And I have looked at your posts and you just kept pointing out Hinata this, Hinata that, she can one shot Sakura with a jab in the heart but nothing for Sakura being able to possibly being able to one shot Hinata with an atrack that is always that unless avoided while Hinata would most likely use that as a last resort based on what we know about her not saying it couldn't happen or even if she'd need to go that far. I don't know man, I guess we have to agree to disagree.

      Hinata can see literally see Sakura from a mile away before she hits with her CBI. Sakura has no way to overcome Hinata's Byakugan. Witnessing one or two fights 20+ years ago, would not help Sakura at all. It's not my fault that some people here fail to realize that Hinata, or any other trained Hyuga, is the worst-matchup for Sakura. 64 palms or a jab to the heart, either way Sakura is screwed.

      Madao4life wrote: how ironic, especially the bolded parts. i'm done. i don't know what i was expecting from you when you haven't had any valid claims since the very first post. you have proven so many times you do not take well to facts, lol.

      at the very least, please attempt to brush up on your comprehension skills :*

      And all you have done is attempt to prove my points wrong, in which you have hilariously fail.
      Why don't you brush up on gathering evidence and know how to stop pyramid quoting? Not that hard. Goodbye, you won't be missed

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    • @Ultima I realize that Hinata using the 64 palm or a jab in the heart is dangerous to Sakura but so is Sakura's strikes against Hinata. And yes seeing how Hyūga's fight does in fact help. She knows they spealize in close combat to shut down opponents chakra networks and knows of the Byakugan skill so while she may not have fought a Hyūga, it doesn't change the fact that she's not clueless on tbeir abilities which is what I'm saying. Also, you keep saying Hinata can see this and this with her Byakugan and yet how many times has she been hit in battle and even lost, or yes 95% of them (albeit in the anime and manga she had like 5-8 fights but still).

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I realize that Hinata using the 64 palm or a jab in the heart is dangerous to Sakura but so is Sakura's strikes against Hinata. And yes seeing how Hyūga's fight does in fact help. She knows they spealize in close combat to shut down opponents chakra networks and knows of the Byakugan skill so while she may not have fought a Hyūga, it doesn't change the fact that she's not clueless on tbeir abilities which is what I'm saying. Also, you keep saying Hinata can see this and this with her Byakugan and yet how many times has she been hit in battle and even lost, or yes 95% of them (albeit in the anime and manga she had like 5-8 fights but still).

      Hinata specializes in CQC, which like I said before, involves dodging the opponent's punches/kicks. She will definitely be able to 64-palm or heart jab Sakura, before she lands a hit. Her little prior knowledge still won't help her. I said she can see Sakura's moves, not anyone else she fought. Like seriously, is Sakura anywhere on par with Neji(in terms of Taijutsu), Deva Path, Kinshiki, and GinKaku(in terms of overall battle power....I guess?)? Heck, no

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    • @Ultima First off the fighing style of the Hyūga involves hitting the opponents chakra points, dodging is what a normal person would try to do so I don't know what you're going on about there. And yet just because Hinata will the see the attack coming, doesn't mean she would dodge it or if so she'd need to dodge the backlash of the impact of the CBI too which despite having the Byakugan doesn't mean she'd easily avoid it.

      Sakura most likely will not go in for close quarter combat initially, probably scare and jump towards Hinata's direction using her destructive capabilities which can get even Hinata but Hinata does have Air Palm to help but she has never shown to use it consecutively, not saying Sakura could keep smashing consecutively but her attack is way more effective and wide ranged compared to the air palm. I mean if you didn't know not to look into a Uchiha's eyes directly you'd possibly get caught in their genjutsu faster and if not at all as opposed to knowing and doing the opposite and coming up with something else to battle them.

      And you keep trying to compare Sakura to Neji because Hinata fought him and lost badly, although she put up a decent fight, he did not even go all out, he didn't need to. Not to mention Sakura could use Kaysuyu to provide battle support (if necessary), Hinata will have little chance do anything aganist Katsuyu either. And why are trying yo compare Sakura to the Deva Path who also beat the crap out of Hinata and yhe others as if Hinata had done something towards. I see you just want to make up in little thing to have your way without making any sense so I just suggest you and I stop responding to each other on this thread cuz neither of us are getting anywhere with each other (sadly).

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    • ^^she was fast enough to come close and punch shin before sasuke with sharingan and naruto in chakra-mode revognized her presence/movements at all, that makes her a lot faster than hinata (and yes, the way the story was written was stupid but it is still canon) :)

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    • wht is faster sakura swing or hinata jab?

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    • ^Well Hinata has faster striking speed I already admitted that from my very first comment but Sakura has shown better movement speed which is good for being a medical-nin, evasive skills.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Ultima First off the fighing style of the Hyūga involves hitting the opponents chakra points, dodging is what a normal person would try to do so I don't know what you're going on about there. And yet just because Hinata will the see the attack coming, doesn't mean she would dodge it or if so she'd need to dodge the backlash of the impact of the CBI too which despite having the Byakugan doesn't mean she'd easily avoid it.

      Sakura most likely will not go in for close quarter combat initially, probably scare and jump towards Hinata's direction using her destructive capabilities which can get even Hinata but Hinata does have Air Palm to help but she has never shown to use it consecutively, not saying Sakura could keep smashing consecutively but her attack is way more effective and wide ranged compared to the air palm. I mean if you didn't know not to look into a Uchiha's eyes directly you'd possibly get caught in their genjutsu faster and if not at all as opposed to knowing and doing the opposite and coming up with something else to battle them.

      And you keep trying to compare Sakura to Neji because Hinata fought him and lost badly, although she put up a decent fight, he did not even go all out, he didn't need to. Not to mention Sakura could use Kaysuyu to provide battle support (if necessary), Hinata will have little chance do anything aganist Katsuyu either. And why are trying yo compare Sakura to the Deva Path who also beat the crap out of Hinata and yhe others as if Hinata had done something towards. I see you just want to make up in little thing to have your way without making any sense so I just suggest you and I stop responding to each other on this thread cuz neither of us are getting anywhere with each other (sadly).

      Dodging is involved in every type of martial arts,.Why don't you actually prove that Sakura is faster than Hinata and her Byakugan?

      Sakura's mid-range attacks will not be that effective and her best bet is to try and one-shot Hinata which will be completely futile. Sakura barely knows about the Hyuga's abilities to come up with counters

      Can you read? You were mentioning her win-loss ratio as if it matters. All of her opponents were people who completely outclass her and could effortlessly beat Sakura too. That's just like saying that Minato can beat Hiruzen because he ultimately lost against Orochimaru. You haven't provided solid evidence to support your argument and you are denying clear facts. That's why we aren't going anywhere

      GreatestSin wrote:^^she was fast enough to come close and punch shin before sasuke with sharingan and naruto in chakra-mode revognized her presence/movements at all, that makes her a lot faster than hinata (and yes, the way the story was written was stupid but it is still canon) :)

      Both Naruto and Sasuke were in pain, Naruto was kneeling down while Sasuke was about to, they obviously were too distracted to realize Sakura was near. Context. Use it

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    • @Ultima Well firstly I listed way back several instances of Sakura's speed (reaction and evasive skills) compared to Hinata who you never gave any speed feats. Why don't you go back and read them cuz I'm sick of repeating it, if you didn't see it, it ain't my problem. Also according to databook 3 which is as much as we can get off of their speed seeing how we don't if they improved in speed in or not, Sakura was classed as a 3 in speed while Hinata a 2.5. However, her having the Byakugan helps but doesn't make her superior. How will an earthquake-like attack not be effective? Sakura's mid-range attack is way more effective than Hinata's air palm. I wouldn't say all of the people Hinata fought completely outclassed her, but still, all I'm saying is that someone can counter the Hyūga in some form of way. The fact that you say I haven't ever provided clear facts iis a straight up lie. You obviously haven't read any of my posts. Smh

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    • Rachin123 wrote: @Ultima Well firstly I listed way back several instances of Sakura's speed (reaction and evasive skills) compared to Hinata who you never gave any speed feats. Why don't you go back and read them cuz I'm sick of repeating it, if you didn't see it, it ain't my problem. Also according to databook 3 which is as much as we can get off of their speed seeing how we don't if they improved in speed in or not, Sakura was classed as a 3 in speed while Hinata a 2.5. However, her having the Byakugan helps but doesn't make her superior. How will an earthquake-like attack not be effective? Sakura's mid-range attack is way more effective than Hinata's air palm. I wouldn't say all of the people Hinata fought completely outclassed her, but still, all I'm saying is that someone can counter the Hyūga in some form of way. The fact that you say I haven't ever provided clear facts iis a straight up lie. You obviously haven't read any of my posts. Smh

      And your claim that Cherry Blossom Impact(in other words, Chakra Enhanced Strength) has mid-range isn't true, since in Databook CBI has only Offensive and Short-range highlighted.

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    • @Jou It still doesn't change the fact the CBI covers a wide range at a great pace with debris flying up and the floor falling apart.

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    • HOW is Sakura going to beat Hinata?? there is no plot bs or plot armor here so tell me HOW, and we already debunked it here then it doesn't count. Hinata was fast enough to jump in front of Naruto when the Juubi launched its wood release spears, then Neji jumped in front of her. That was a good speed feat alone.

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    • Rachin123 wrote: Well firstly I listed way back several instances of Sakura's speed (reaction and evasive skills) compared to Hinata who you never gave any speed feats. Why don't you go back and read them cuz I'm sick of repeating it, if you didn't see it, it ain't my problem. Also according to databook 3 which is as much as we can get off of their speed seeing how we don't if they improved in speed in or not, Sakura was classed as a 3 in speed while Hinata a 2.5. However, her having the Byakugan helps but doesn't make her superior. How will an earthquake-like attack not be effective? Sakura's mid-range attack is way more effective than Hinata's air palm. I wouldn't say all of the people Hinata fought completely outclassed her, but still, all I'm saying is that someone can counter the Hyūga in some form of way. The fact that you say I haven't ever provided clear facts iis a straight up lie. You obviously haven't read any of my posts. Smh

      Punching everything in your way without a second thought isn't a reaction feat. Being able to dodge long-range attacks is completely different than being able to dodge punches/kicks. I don't need to give any speed feats, since I never claimed she was fast. Also, why are you using databook stats when they don't mean much? Will you stop putting words into my mouth like a child? Ever heard of jumping? You know the thing that allows a person to evade most things coming at them? Not once have I said that the Hyuga's Gentle Fist can't be countered. All those people that Hinata fought were able to outclass her in skill, speed, strength, and overall power which proved too much for her Byakugan+Gentle Fist. Sakura does no outclass her in any way, except strength and can't overcome her Byakugan+Gentle Fist. Facts is something that is proven true, which you haven't brought up at all

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    • I'm not gonna continue with this, it's getting old. Continue trying to claim Hinata the victor, doesn't mean you're right. This isn't about being right because no matter what people will always believe they are right even if it's not on the same subject as you, but it's about giving your opinion based on facts. These are just fanmade fights.

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    • UltimaDude wrote: Both Naruto and Sasuke were in pain, Naruto was kneeling down while Sasuke was about to, they obviously were too distracted to realize Sakura was near. Context. Use it

      really? a few small stabs with knifes and a sword through the body is enough to stop sasuke and naruto from noticing anything? i highly doubt that they are so weak... plus, sasuke showed in his fight with deidara that he can notice what happens around him despite being out of chakra and badly injured...

      @quakingstar

      and sakura was fast enough to run and attack a MS user, while sasuke with sharingan and naruto in SPSM didnt notice anything :)

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    • Well Rachin, you shared one speed feat, the Lava feat. The others were Sakura having help. Now taking into account how many useless fights Sakura had compared to Hinata, asking us for feats without help is impossible because she had like 3 fights alone against over powered Shinobi or Neji. Sakura is not fast, sure her strength could win a fight. Sure she can punch the ground. Sure she can cause debris to fly up. Sure her speed in the Databook is faster. Lee's base speed is higher then Neji's does that mean he can dodge all Neji's attacks? If so why did Lee need the Eight Gates for him? Don't say not to compare them, because it's exactly the same. Actually its even worst for Neji. His speed was only a 3 while Lee was a 4, while Hinata is a 2.5 and Sakura is a 3. Lee even with his superior speed couldn't dodge Neji's Gentle fist, what makes you think Sakura can dodge Hinata's when Neji was slower then Lee and not even a master at the time and Hinata is barely slower then Sakura and is a master? Sakura might know the Gentle Fist, meanwhile Hinata might know Sakura's fighting style, she is pretty flashy after all, whats your point? She still has to get close to win. And everyone knows, once your in range for 64 palms, you're a goner.

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    • i still can't decide it Hinata got the edge on jutsus and Sakura got tho edge on brute power

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    • Rachin123 wrote: I'm not gonna continue with this, it's getting old. Continue trying to claim Hinata the victor, doesn't mean you're right. This isn't about being right because no matter what people will always believe they are right even if it's not on the same subject as you, but it's about giving your opinion based on facts. These are just fanmade fights.

      Constantly proving that Hinata is the victor means I'm right. Neji beating Ten-Ten is an opinion? Yeah, no. This is a matter of bringing actual solid facts to support one's argument, not opinions. It being fan-made doesn't change that

      GreatestSin wrote: really? a few small stabs with knifes and a sword through the body is enough to stop sasuke and naruto from noticing anything? i highly doubt that they are so weak... plus, sasuke showed in his fight with deidara that he can notice what happens around him despite being out of chakra and badly injured...

      So you're going to ignore that Naruto and Sasuke were too distracted with their pain? Naruto was kneeling down like a b!tch, while Sasuke was about to do the same. Naruto was able to save Sakura at the last second without both Sasuke and Kakashi noticing. Does that mean that Naruto was faster than Kakashi's senses in ' base mode. I don't think so

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    • ^it doesnt because naruto was in sage mode, his last bit of time he managed to take sakura away, otherwise the whole scene is BS,

      and we are not talking about naruto in base, we are talking about SPSM naruto, his senses are at least at SM-lvl, that means he should feel sakura for the distance of at least the range of konoha, and sasuke has sharingan, something that is specialzed in tracking high-speed things, after reaching the point of being the strongest in the word they get distracted by mere cuts? this sounds like a hugh understatement.

      btw, you ignored my argument with sasuke still reacting to deidaras self-explosion despite far heavier injuries(and now they are even more experienced, if they cant take such injuries than they should think about changing their jobs) :I

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    • You can't prove he was in sage mode still when he saved her. Until then that is speculation.

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    • sigh, it's not easy to point out someone's mistake when the person doing it is too self-righteous and absolutely lacks context to understand what is being done wrongly. but i'm bored so why not.

      manga proof of specific chara = proof

      hype / non-related chara = not proof

      before sakura had the seal, this fight is still debatable because both of them are not exceptional fighters, plus hinata specifically trained in the gentle fist arts.

      however, when sakura formed the seal, it is clear as day who will win. her byakugou enhanced punch split up the TERRAIN, making several DOZENS of GIANT juubi clones fly up like TINY dust specks. while hinata couldn't finish off ONE juubi clone with a half assed 64 palm, and had to use lion fist again to finish off the same ONE juubi clone.

      simply put, hinata cannot do any damages if she cannot get near sakura because she has shown NO capability to deal with her huge AoE attack, add to that katsuyu has shown that she IS capable of splitting into thousands of clones to deal with her enemy, and the thousand fanged acid from the clones is not something hinata can easily sidestep without rotation. all these will wear hinata out and sakura's byakugou seal ensure that she will outlast hinata.

      matter of the fact is that sakura has the better skillset for offense and defense, and most importantly, regeneration. both are still not exceptional fighters, but hinata is clearly lacking in the skillset department.

      one last point, medic nins are the one who treated hinata after she had her chakra points blocked by neji. take it as you will.

      p.s i do not care if you think using a summon is stupid. jiraiya, tsunade, oro, danzo, hanzo, itachi, hiruzen, sasuke, naruto etc all used it when needed so i'd much rather follow manga logic than your logic.

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    • this still going xD.

      btw 1 question sakura stores the chakra in the forehead right wht happens if hinata strikes there?

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    • Mcpowa wrote: this still going xD.

      btw 1 question sakura stores the chakra in the forehead right wht happens if hinata strikes there?

      so your idea of a battle is like

      hinata: hey sakura let me poke you in the forehead

      sakura: sure hinata go ahead

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    • With tht big ass forehead tht sakura gt its super easy ahahhaa jokes aside

      it was a question wht might happen,does the chakra stored gts disable or nah

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    • Yeah... you can't use or mold chakra once your networks are shut down, so it would just sit there. Did you people not read the other comments in favor of Hinata?? Must not have because you would know brute force doesn't help against any Hyuga.

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    • @QuakingStar ty btw

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    • Madao4life wrote: sigh, it's not easy to point out someone's mistake when the person doing it is too self-righteous and absolutely lacks context to understand what is being done wrongly. but i'm bored so why not.

      manga proof of specific chara = proof

      hype / non-related chara = not proof

      before sakura had the seal, this fight is still debatable because both of them are not exceptional fighters, plus hinata specifically trained in the gentle fist arts.

      however, when sakura formed the seal, it is clear as day who will win. her byakugou enhanced punch split up the TERRAIN, making several DOZENS of GIANT juubi clones fly up like TINY dust specks. while hinata couldn't finish off ONE juubi clone with a half assed 64 palm, and had to use lion fist again to finish off the same ONE juubi clone.

      simply put, hinata cannot do any damages if she cannot get near sakura because she has shown NO capability to deal with her huge AoE attack, add to that katsuyu has shown that she IS capable of splitting into thousands of clones to deal with her enemy, and the thousand fanged acid from the clones is not something hinata can easily sidestep without rotation. all these will wear hinata out and sakura's byakugou seal ensure that she will outlast hinata.

      matter of the fact is that sakura has the better skillset for offense and defense, and most importantly, regeneration. both are still not exceptional fighters, but hinata is clearly lacking in the skillset department.

      one last point, medic nins are the one who treated hinata after she had her chakra points blocked by neji. take it as you will.

      p.s i do not care if you think using a summon is stupid. jiraiya, tsunade, oro, danzo, hanzo, itachi, hiruzen, sasuke, naruto etc all used it when needed so i'd much rather follow manga logic than your logic.

      Annnd look who come crawling back.

      Your hypocrisy is hilarious

      Explaining what a character can do based on his or her techniques = proof

      With or without the seal, Sakura cannot overcome Hinata and her Byakugan

      CBI and 64 palms are two different things, one focuses on AoE, while the other on a single target. So comparing the two is absurd. What's the point of being able to make big-ass craters if you can't hit the target? You have yet to prove that Sakura can overcome Hinata's Gentle Fist+Byakugan.

      Sakura's AoE attack can easily be avoided and her best bet is to get close. Sakura's only chance of beating Hinata is summoning Katsuyu, but without her she's screwed.

      Hinata is superior to Sakura in pure Taijutsu. Sakura's strong suits are weak against Hinata's. Regeneration won't do jack once Hinata shut down Sakura's Chakra network

      Getting injuries healed by someone else =/= Healing injuries yourself

      Three words. Learn to read

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    • QuakingStar wrote: You can't prove he was in sage mode still when he saved her. Until then that is speculation.

      the same for the other way, but it makes a lot more sense that he was in SM because he was a lot slower while running against sasuke, he should have been able to blitz him if it was his regular base-body speed at that time :)

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    • @ultimadude oh deer, why do you crave my attention so? i already said i'm done with you.

      still, you fail to counter my post with any valid claims. quite the contrary, my deer. hinata has shown no capability to withstand even one of her crater punch that took out several dozens of giants, much bigger than an average human. (632) i suggest that you actually read the manga, and again, brush up on your comprehension skills.

      p.s oh my you did improve in the short time i left! katsuyu finally got acknowledged for her abilities, my job is done.

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    • Madao4life wrote: @ultimadude oh deer, why do you crave my attention so? i already said i'm done with you.

      still, you fail to counter my post with any valid claims. quite the contrary, my deer. hinata has shown no capability to withstand even one of her crater punch that took out several dozens of giants, much bigger than an average human. (632) i suggest that you actually read the manga, and again, brush up on your comprehension skills.

      p.s oh my you did improve in the short time i left! katsuyu finally got acknowledged for her abilities, my job is done.

      Yet you still come back. You're either done or not

      I have, you failing to realize that is your own doing. You have yet to prove that she has the speed and skills necessary to overcome Hinata's Gentle Fist+Byakugan and instead you try to claim that my points are wrong. Like I said before Juubi clones aren't humans. Stop being a hypocrite

      So you're not going to prove that Sakura can beat Hinata and instead saying that Katsuyu will do it for her? That's saying that Sakura can't beat Hinata herself. Congrats on arguing against yourself

      (P.S it's dear, smart one)

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    • ^ i said i'm done with you since you have no comprehensive skills to speak of. please stop replying to me and continue to make snide remarks over my valid points, as you have done in the past.

      do stop referring to me as a hypocrite, it reflects badly on you. as i have said, hinata cannot get close enough to do any damages because one crater punch alone is simply more than what she can handle. (please read chapter 632) i do not know how many times i have repeated these points, sigh.

      katsuyu is one of sakura's skillset, as i said before, i see nothing wrong with a ninja utilizing their skillsets, especially when said summon does great offense and defense so the user can kick back and relax.

      p.s at the very least, let a man enjoy making puns in peace.

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    • i was wondering about a few things people were saying here. first off, i went back and read the chapters. it showed hinata doing 64 palms to a juubi clone and then it went flying backwards, THEN she activated the twin lion thingy, i dont think she used it while preforming 64 palms. it also didnt show her fighting after that point, correct me if im wrong. also in the fight with kakashi vs naruto and sakura, sakura does punch the hell out of the ground and kakashi just disengages backwards to not get hit by the impact. if theres an earthquake and ur flying in the air, its not gonna have an effect on u, so if u jump over the crater sakura makes, wouldnt it be rendered useless? also if katsuyus going to use acid, couldnt hinata force sakura into CQC? because its an aoe attack, it would risk hitting both of them and vaporizing them. i also dont think sakura would fight from a range when her specialty is CQC, i mean what is she, donkey kong? (lol) if it is CQC then hinata has better taijutsu and 64 palms has never been seen countered in the manga, except in the anime by shira, which idk if this is canon, but shira has on par taijutsu with lee and i dont think sakura is on par with lee. also CES only effects fists and feet, if hinata parries sakuras punch, cant she hit her tenketsu on her arm and stop the CES from being channeled to her fist? also with the speed thing, just because u can run faster than someone doesnt mean you can punch faster. sakura wen she strikes mostly throws haymakers, while hinata is more like a jab. a jab is way faster than a haymaker, and in this case the first hit can be lethal. also, maybe naruto and sasuke didnt notice her coming because they didnt expect it and werent paying attention to it? idk haha just was wondering about a few things, not really saying that its fact. oh, and hinata did master gentle fist so idk if she would mess up on 64 palms anymore.

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    • Madao4life wrote: ^ i said i'm done with you since you have no comprehensive skills to speak of. please stop replying to me and continue to make snide remarks over my valid points, as you have done in the past.

      do stop referring to me as a hypocrite, it reflects badly on you. as i have said, hinata cannot get close enough to do any damages because one crater punch alone is simply more than what she can handle. (please read chapter 632) i do not know how many times i have repeated these points, sigh.

      katsuyu is one of sakura's skillset, as i said before, i see nothing wrong with a ninja utilizing their skillsets, especially when said summon does great offense and defense.

      p.s at the very least, let a man enjoy making puns in peace.

      And you still replying. Stop lying

      So I can't call you a hypocrite, even though you are indeed one but you can say that I lack comprehensive skills? Hypocrisy. What good is a ground-breaking punch if it can't hit the opponent? Actually prove that Sakura can land a hit on Hinata. All you're doing is saying that she makes big-ass craters on mindless Juubi clones without proving how it's going to hit Hinata. Continue on proving jack

      It won't be Sakura doing the fighting, it'll be Katsuyu. And what good is summoning Katsuyu if Hinata is engaging her in combat

      How can I let a man make puns in peace if there is no man doing such things?

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    • ^you don't like my puns? deer with it.

      i am no hypocrite because i do back up my claims with proof (manga proof 632). however, i do know of one other user, the mod, who also criticized your claims without proof (if, if, if.), so there you have it. you absolutely lack context to understand what is a valid claim.

      you claim that aoe is not a big deal that cannot hit it's opponent, but the manga show otherwise.

      hinata is the one who can't hit her opponent because 632 has shown what 1 of the aoe attack can do, the impact is simply too devastating to both landscape and enemies alike.

      read the manga.

      that is all.

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    • This is going nowhere from the very beginning. Wouldn't everybody be happy if this just gets closed and everbody is done with it?

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    • ^Eh, probably...

      As far as I see it, both Hinata and Sakura are capable of defeating each other.

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    • so do anyone agrees hinata wins

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    • Hinata wins.

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    • yay

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    • i agree with jou but i still vote for sakura...

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    • i'm going to say sakura wins in my opinion, although hinata could become a powerful shinobi she seems to lack the battle sense that neji had, and is better as a support type character. now sakura while also a support character, she can also hold her on better in a fight, and I believe that would give her the advantage to win the fight.

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    • Madao4life wrote: ^you don't like my puns? deer with it.

      i am no hypocrite because i do back up my claims with proof (manga proof 632). however, i do know of one other user, the mod, who also criticized your claims without proof (if, if, if.), so there you have it. you absolutely lack context to understand what is a valid claim.

      you claim that aoe is not a big deal that cannot hit it's opponent, but the manga show otherwise.

      hinata is the one who can't hit her opponent because 632 has shown what 1 of the aoe attack can do, the impact is simply too devastating to both landscape and enemies alike.

      read the manga.

      that is all.

      Stating that Sakura using CBI on mindless clones without saying how she'll hit Hinata with it is not proof. You have yet to actually prove anything. Oh I know what valid claims are and bringing up a scene without context is not one. Lol, I only said if once and that was in regards to Himawari. Learn how to properly debate without embarrassing yourself

      So mindless Juubi clones who were in close vicinity getting blown away is proof that Sakura can hit a target who she can't hit? Lol, you're not serious

      Hinata can easily dodge Sakura's CBI due to her Byakugan as she closes the distance. Your poor example is exactly the same as the CBI she tried to use on Kakashi who easily got out of the way while suffering no backlash

      And the hypocrisy continues. Please provide an explanation as to how exactly Sakura can overcome Hinata's Gentle Fist+Byakugan.

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    • Geez this thread got long and full of the same back and forth stuff. It's obvious each side is not going to see eye to eye on one another's view.

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    • Thus I would like to see it getting closed. Both sides have brought forth enough arguments to explain their reasoning, the only thing missing now is acceptance of different opinions, which both sides are lacking completely. People really have to learn that there is no absolute truth in these kinds of discussions, it's a fictional battle, therefore it is based on assumptions in the first place. Can anybody prove the assumptions would stand their ground in a real match? No? Then nobody has the right to blatantly throw others the "delusional fanboy" hammer into their faces.

      Asking to close this, it's a waste of everybody's time.

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    • @UltimaDude sigh, when are you going to find out what a valid claim is.. you have three invalid claims that are so blatantly false that i only have to tell you to read the manga.

      close vicinity? read up what is a Aoe attack, and read the manga

      byakugan / gentle fist -> deus ex machina? read the manga

      sakura's attack against kakashi = war arc sakura attack? read the manga

      sakura outclass hinata when she formed the byakugou seal, that is an undeniable manga fact.

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    • No it isn't. We get it, you're a Sakura fan/wanker.

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    • And with that I'm closing the thread. The thread has just become full of people repeating the same things, and calling one another "stupid", "fanboy", "bias" or a ^"wanker" because they disagreed with an opinion which is all this, just based on facts.

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