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  • in the bio of the Hyuga clan it states

    It has been noted that this clan possesses more than one kekkei genkai.


    what i am asking is Where in the hell did it ever say this. i have never missed a single episode and have been reading the manga for a few years now and have never heard anything about a second Kekkei genkei and the entire point about the main branch inheriting Hamura's chakra doesn't count as a kekkei genkei

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    • Chapter 78, page 13, there was a little number next to that statement, explaining the source.

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    • Chapter 78 doesn't actually mention anything about secondary Kekkei Genkei it simply says

      the byakugan is one of the advanced blood abilities passed down in the hyuga house its an eye ability similar to the sharingan but in terms of ability of insight it surpasses the sharingan
      


      all of there abilities can be attributed to the byakugan and solely the byakugan, unless they have some kekkei genkei we have never heard of before. the ability to see chakra is from the byakugan, the ability to expel chakra from the tenketsu is also an ability from the byakugan. never once do they mention there powers being from anything other than the byakugan


      more over that same chapter states

      they say the that the uchiha clan's origins lie with the hyuga clan
      

      and we know thats not true

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    • I don't know which translation you've read, but the correct translations say that the Byakugan is "one of" the kekkei genkai passed down within the Hyuga Clan. This means that there are others, and the only other ability that could be is the innate ability to expel chakra from all of their tenketsu. Ao had a Byakugan, Momoshiki had a Byakugan, Kinshiki had a Byakugan, ect, and do you see them expelling chakra from all of their tenketsu? Byakugan doesn't equal the ability to control all of your tenketsu, that's a kekkei genkai the Hyuga have that they probably got from Hamura and Kaguya.

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    • The hyuga have fine chakra control. Depending on how you count your KKG, that can count as one. (just like Senju/Uzumaki has high chakra). Expelling chakra from all Tenketsu seems to be another, as other Byakugan users didn't do that.

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    • maybe "one of" refers to the different kekkei genkai that exist rather than the kekkei genkai they possess.

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    • LegionZero wrote: maybe "one of" refers to the different kekkei genkai that exist rather than the kekkei genkai they possess.

      It specifically refers to the passing down of KKG in the Hyuga bloodline.

      I just want to note that a specific, if rare KKG still counts as a Hyuga bloodline limit. Considering that Konoha is Fire-specific, this may be a rare (and thus yet unseen) elemental combo like Lava, boil or scorch, or some other yet unseen and rare KKG.

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    • Fire is a basic. The leaf just happens to be where it is the biggest, mostly because of the Uchiha.

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    • LegionZero wrote: Fire is a basic. The leaf just happens to be where it is the biggest, mostly because of the Uchiha.

      That's not what i meant. Konoha is strong with the fire-element, so an advanced element likely involves something with Fire, e.g. Boil or Scorch

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    • Would the tenseigan be considered one of them?

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    • Possibly, they did inherit it From Hamura.

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    • I'm just asking if the Hyuga has two or more KKG then why byakugan are only listed in KKG list??? i think,having a fine chakra control are only listed as abilities of hyuga clan,but not as KKG.

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    • exactly the databooks never once mention any other kekei genkei EVER


      the manga specifically says when naruto asks what the byakugan is this

      the byakugan is one of the advanced blood abilities passed down in the hyuga house its an eye ability similar to the sharingan but in terms of ability of insight it surpasses the sharingan

      this doesn't mean they have multiple i take this as they are saying that the byakugan is one of the advanced blood abilities ie that exist, its passed down in the hyuga house

      more over that same chapter states that the sharingan comes from the byakugan we know now that the sharingan doesn't come from the byakugan so should we really be listening to a chapter that is contradicted later on. we should be taking the manga at face value and using what has been shown and only what has been shown. we have never seen them use any abilities other than the byakugan. the ability to drill there chakra into the bodies of another is solely possible because of the byakugan. its also irrelevant that other byakugan users were not shown to be able to do that as the gentle fist is a martial arts taught solely to the hyuga so of course the others wouldn't be able to use a technique they don't even have knowledge on how to do

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    • Ashzure wrote: I'm just asking if the Hyuga has two or more KKG then why byakugan are only listed in KKG list??? i think,having a fine chakra control are only listed as abilities of hyuga clan,but not as KKG.

      Because the Byakugan is the only known one. Hinata and Neji are the main Hyuga characters we know, and neither of them has a KKG other than the Byakugan. However, we don't know the full extent of the abilities of all other Hyuga. Like i said, they may have a much more rare KKG. Or we simply haven't met people with those KKG yet

      Actionmanrandell wrote: exactly the databooks never once mention any other kekei genkei EVER

      It's not relevant to the story, and in the end even the Byakugan wasn't relevant to the story. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. I think it's far more likely that Kishimoto was creating a number of paths he could walk down, then chose to follow the Uchiha rather than the Hyuga.

      Actionmanrandell wrote: this doesn't mean they have multiple i take this as they are saying that the byakugan is one of the advanced blood abilities ie that exist, its passed down in the hyuga house

      Someone better versed in japanese may shed some light on the grammar involved.

      Actionmanrandell wrote: more over that same chapter states that the sharingan comes from the byakugan

      Technically it does. If you think this is a stretch, it's no more linguistic juggling than the above multiple KKG thing.

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    • The Sharingan coming from the Byakugan happened because the origins are almost the same. If we were to ignore anything said that was later retconned, a good chunk of the manga would be out of canon. It's simply one of the facts of history that was distorted over the ages.

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    • LegionZero wrote: If we were to ignore anything said that was later expanded upon, a good chunk of the manga would be out of canon. It's simply one of the facts of history that was distorted over the ages.

      I think it's better to put it that way. Just because things change doesn't mean its suddenly retconned. Just check itachi's account of the Mangekyou and the real history of Madara. Sometimes, the truth is more complex. Sometimes, other people misinterpreted what had happened.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Ashzure wrote: I'm just asking if the Hyuga has two or more KKG then why byakugan are only listed in KKG list??? i think,having a fine chakra control are only listed as abilities of hyuga clan,but not as KKG.

      Because the Byakugan is the only known one. Hinata and Neji are the main Hyuga characters we know, and neither of them has a KKG other than the Byakugan. However, we don't know the full extent of the abilities of all other Hyuga. Like i said, they may have a much more rare KKG. Or we simply haven't met people with those KKG yet

      If the two have more than KKG,then what it is??The story of Naruto wa already finished and yet we didn't show the other KKG of the Hyuuga,then if is the case,it is final that Byakugan are only KKG of the Hyuuga.

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    • Ashzure wrote: If the two have more than KKG,then what it is??The story of Naruto wa already finished and yet we didn't show the other KKG of the Hyuuga,then if is the case,it is final that Byakugan are only KKG of the Hyuuga.

      I have no idea what point you're trying to make. The only two out of potentially hundreds to thousands of Hyuga don't have a KKG other than the Byakugan. So your logical conclusion is that the other 99.9% of the clan doesn't have one either?

      Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      Ashzure wrote: If the two have more than KKG,then what it is??The story of Naruto wa already finished and yet we didn't show the other KKG of the Hyuuga,then if is the case,it is final that Byakugan are only KKG of the Hyuuga.

      I have no idea what point you're trying to make. The only two out of potentially hundreds to thousands of Hyuga don't have a KKG other than the Byakugan. So your logical conclusion is that the other 99.9% of the clan doesn't have one either?

      Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence.

      Well i didn't say that 99.9% sure about that,but then mostly the Naruto series was finish and we didn't show the other KKG ability of the Hyuuga.It will be great if they have,but it seems kishi didn't have a intention to have that,as his mind was focused on the uchiha clan.

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    • Ashzure wrote: It will be great if they have,but it seems kishi didn't have a intention to have that,as his mind was focused on the uchiha clan.

      That still doesn't mean that the byakugan is the only one.

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    • Well it may be come true if Kishi focuses himself to Hyuuga clan and he didn't stop producing Naruto series,since some info that Kishi was retiring,then i think "having Byakugan is only the KKG of the Hyuuga clan" is seemly official.Also there's no other official documents(beside manga),which discuss,what other KKG does Hyuuga have.

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    • Ashzure wrote: Well it may be come true if Kishi focuses himself to Hyuuga clan and he didn't stop producing Naruto series,since some info that Kishi was retiring,then i think "having Byakugan is only the KKG of the Hyuuga clan" is seemly official.Also there's no other official documents(beside manga),which discuss,what other KKG does Hyuuga have.

      That still does not mean that the Byakugan is the only KKG they have. It only means that it's the only one we know with certainty. And as i pointed out several times, things like emitting chakra from all tenketsu is usually labeled under the Byakugan but may be a KKG in it's own.

      Fine chakra control isnt typically put under KKG but considering it's hereditary, it may as well be.

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    • Fine chakra control isnt KKG. Anyone can do it. Hyuga just have a knack for it.

      Wouldn't techniques like Lightning Release: Chakra Armor or Chidori Nagashi expel chakra from tenketsu all over?

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    • LegionZero wrote: Fine chakra control isnt KKG. Anyone can do it. Hyuga just have a knack for it.

      It mostly depends on how fast or loose you play the KKG game. Same with uzumaki chakra reserves.

      Wouldn't techniques like Lightning Release: Chakra Armor or Chidori Nagashi expel chakra from tenketsu all over?

      That we don't know. It would be the most simplistic version of a chakra cloak.

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    • Why is this argument even still going on? Kakashi stated that the Byakugan is one of the kekkei genkai passed down within the Hyuga Clan, implying that there is more. The Hyuga have shown the ability to manipulate and expel chakra from all 361 tenketsu in their bodies, while it has been stated before that the average shinobi can only use a handful of their tenketsu via their hands and feet. Thus, through logical deduction, the other KKG they have is the unnamed one that allows them to use all of their tenketsu. The databooks don't mention it because it was never given a name, not because it doesn't exist. Both the Hyuga Clan's page and the tenketsu page state these things and cite them. The Hyuga have two KKG, the Byakugan and the unnamed tenketsu manipulation one.

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    • i think even though anyone can master precision chakra control given enough talent and effort, but the byakugan(ability to actually see chakra and chakra pathways) gives the hyuga a huge leg up on it and because of this they've mastered the use of this skill over several generations resulting in the gentle fist.so while the gentle fist isnt a kkg like the byakugan,the two are inextricably linked. not an ideal example but its something like sharingan(3 tomoe) and sharingan genjutsu.theoretically, anyone with the necessary talent and effort can do genjutsu and take it to a really high level rivalling even the sharingan ,but sharingan users just naturally have that knack for genjutsu and over generations have mastered its use. this is proven by the fact the genjutsu:sharingan is simply generic genjutsu applied with sharingan yet the technique is far superior to standard genjutsu.similarly ,because of the byakugan the hyuga have advanced a generic ability to a higher level.so gentle fist is more of a byakugan application rather than a seperate kkg. if gentle fist is a kkg then so is sharingan:manipulated windmill , genjutsu:sharingan and copy no jutsu

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Why is this argument even still going on?

      I wonder that myself.

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