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  • Hagoromo SPLITTED the Chakra of the Ten-Tails and created the Tailed Beasts and at least 3 of them posses Kekkei Genkai, wouldnt that mean the 3 KKG belong to the TT? I mean you dont create something new, just by splitting dont you? Not only the TT KKG. Other Abilities like the Ten-Tails Fission, Isobu got something similiar. Tenpenchi creates disasters what Kurama also can. When thats true and the TT posses these KKG, its possible that Madara gained the Storn Release from one of the Tailed Beasts, in my opinion this Beast is Chomei. When Naruto used this Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken, only Chomeis ability was unclear. And the Jutsu Madara used looks more like compressed wind instead of Lightning(Laser). How the KKG is used depent on the user(village), just like Lava Release. Kumo creates Laser, while Chomei and its Jin creates strong Wind(Storm).

    What do you Guys think?

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    • isaobus abilities only showed up in a filler, tenpachis&kuramas "disasters" arent KKG, they happen in order to show how "powerful" they are....

      but, yeah, the TT should have all the tailed beasts power, but TT is already overpowered in his current form, giving him super-sand-shield + a hugh amount of other powers would have forced even more as*pull power ups and nerfings for the enemy in order to let the main chars win ^_^

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    • ^ you seem to have problem with naruto and sasuke

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    • @GreatestSin, I know these arent KKG. I just wanted to explain that the TT have simillar abilities of what the Tailed Beasts got. And thats highly possible that he has the KKG too ^^

      Btw Tenpenchi is the name of the Technique that the TT use for the "disasters"

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    • GerizzyYMcrew wrote: ^ you seem to have problem with naruto and sasuke

      not really a problem with them in itself but with the way kishi handled them in the last two arcs... to much power creep :(

      @keeptfighting ah, sorry, i somehow thought that tenpachi was another tailed beast XD

      Keeptfighting wrote: I just wanted to explain that the TT have simillar abilities of what the Tailed Beasts got. And thats highly possible that he has the KKG too ^^

      but this wouldnt explain why TT wasnt using the passive sand shield even once :I, he could have eaily blocked amaterasu+wind release rasenshuriken :(

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    • ^ you should have seen it coming

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    • The real name of the TT is "SONNNJAAA!!! ò_ó" anyone knows that ~(•.•~)

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    • GerizzyYMcrew wrote: ^ you should have seen it coming

      not really, the whole kaguya stuff was pretty much impossible to guess, so6p-visit too...

      it began after naruto got KM and suddenly bijuus got "telepathic talking powers" in order to send chakra to naruto via some unexplained something...

      sasukes EMS stayed mostly in normal lvls, at least before he got so6p-power up and recieved as*pull abilitys as if it was a game :(

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    • For using the Sand Shield you need Sand :D And you know that the TT was a "mindless" Beasts, and after it got sealed in Obito and Madara They dont even used the Rinnegan.. exept for Limbo

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    • dont see how you didnt see it coming...after chapter 467 confirmed a planetary level genjutsu I knew exactly what the power ups would be...in all honesty if you didnt like naruto and sasuke asspulls u should have dropped it after the pain arc

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    • GerizzyYMcrew wrote: dont see how you didnt see it coming...after chapter 467 confirmed a planetary level genjutsu I knew exactly what the power ups would be...in all honesty if you didnt like naruto and sasuke asspulls u should have dropped it after the pain arc

      you saw kaguya coming? or so6p? or that naruto and sasuke are reincarantions of so6p's sons? or that BZ was the one who manipulated everything?

      i can agree with this, i knew that naruto would get a stronger mode, i thought BM/BSM was the appex, of course the villian needs a stronger power so he was the ten tails jin while naruto had all the leftover parts, and i knew that sasuke would get the rinnegan, but not that he suddenly get a a*spull version without any explanation and with convenient new powers (like narutos SPSM mode)...

      all in all, what i expected happened but it went FAR out of bounds, i mean, kishi could have allowed them to use their previous new abilities to their fullest, instead he gave them new overpowered modes only so that he doesnt need to think about a good way to use strategy for the last end-villian-fight :(

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    • GreatestSin wrote:

      GerizzyYMcrew wrote: dont see how you didnt see it coming...after chapter 467 confirmed a planetary level genjutsu I knew exactly what the power ups would be...in all honesty if you didnt like naruto and sasuke asspulls u should have dropped it after the pain arc

      you saw kaguya coming? or so6p? or that naruto and sasuke are reincarantions of so6p's sons? or that BZ was the one who manipulated everything?

      i can agree with this, i knew that naruto would get a stronger mode, i thought BM/BSM was the appex, of course the villian needs a stronger power so he was the ten tails jin while naruto had all the leftover parts, and i knew that sasuke would get the rinnegan, but not that he suddenly get a a*spull version without any explanation and with convenient new powers (like narutos SPSM mode)...

      all in all, what i expected happened but it went FAR out of bounds, i mean, kishi could have allowed them to use their previous new abilities to their fullest, instead he gave them new overpowered modes only so that he doesnt need to think about a good way to use strategy for the last end-villian-fight :(

      Your complaints don't make much sense. People theorized about Naruto himself being Hagoromo's reincarnation and that he would appear before Naruto for the longest. The same goes for Sasuke obtaining the Rinnegan, and we expected Hagoromo's entire story to be explained eventually and for his true name to be revealed, and we got just that. We learned that in reality Naruto and Sasuke are the reincarnations of Hagoromo's sons, not Hagoromo himself, but Naruto did directly inherit his will just as Asura did. Sasuke did obtain Rinnegan, and his Rinnegan isn't an asspull version. He was gonna unlock Rinnegan anyway, but since he unlocked so quickly due to Hagoromo giving him half of his power he unlocked a Rinnegan that allowed him to also use his Sharingan powers. It's like a weaker version of Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan. As for Naruto's powers, his mode is just combining Hagoromo's Six Paths Chakra with natural energy to create Six Paths Senjutsu and he can draw on the powers of all of the beast (Which you also should have seen coming the moment they gave him some of their chakra). Also, no strategy would work against Juudara, he was way too powerful so powering up Naruto and Sasuke would be the only way they could defeat someone like Juudara.

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      People theorized about Naruto himself being Hagoromo's reincarnation and that he would appear before Naruto for the longest.

      not me, so6p was mentioned to have the rinnegan, naruto never showed anything special regrading his eyes...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      The same goes for Sasuke obtaining the Rinnegan,

      yeah, sasuke was always with "eyes"...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      We learned that in reality Naruto and Sasuke are the reincarnations of Hagoromo's sons, not Hagoromo himself, but Naruto did directly inherit his will just as Asura did.

      yeah, did you see that coming?

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      Sasuke did obtain Rinnegan, and his Rinnegan isn't an asspull version. He was gonna unlock Rinnegan anyway, but since he unlocked so quickly due to Hagoromo giving him half of his power he unlocked a Rinnegan that allowed him to also use his Sharingan powers.

      from tvtroupe: An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on.

      im not saying the rinnegan is a as*pull, but the six-tomoe-rinnegan surely is...


      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      It's like a weaker version of Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan.

      right now the only difference is that sasuke cant cast IT, but this may also be possible if he becomes the TT-jin, so, the "a*spull"-version isnt actually weaker than th "original" at least not by feats...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      As for Naruto's powers, his mode is just combining Hagoromo's Six Paths Chakra with natural energy to create Six Paths Senjutsu and he can draw on the powers of all of the beast (Which you also should have seen coming the moment they gave him some of their chakra).

      the bolded part is obvious since the "suddenly we can talk"-as*pull allowed naruto to get BM/BSM, the other one happened after he had a visit from so6p, therefore i wasnt able to see it coming, the thing i will give kishi that he actually planned the BSM/KSM mode (in the pain arc narutos eyes got like a incomplete version)...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Also, no strategy would work against Juudara, he was way too powerful so powering up Naruto and Sasuke would be the only way they could defeat someone like Juudara.

      the bolded part says the exact line which always shows up before the MC+group use their brains, in "world trigger" the neighbors (the villians) also looked invincible, exspecially the mud-guy, but with brains they made it possible, this is why strategy is used, beating a enemy which doesnt seem like he can be beaten... or does it make sense to use strategy agaisnt someone which they would have defeated without planning?

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    • GreatestSin wrote:

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      People theorized about Naruto himself being Hagoromo's reincarnation and that he would appear before Naruto for the longest.

      not me, so6p was mentioned to have the rinnegan, naruto never showed anything special regrading his eyes...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      The same goes for Sasuke obtaining the Rinnegan,

      yeah, sasuke was always with "eyes"...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      We learned that in reality Naruto and Sasuke are the reincarnations of Hagoromo's sons, not Hagoromo himself, but Naruto did directly inherit his will just as Asura did.

      yeah, did you see that coming?

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      Sasuke did obtain Rinnegan, and his Rinnegan isn't an asspull version. He was gonna unlock Rinnegan anyway, but since he unlocked so quickly due to Hagoromo giving him half of his power he unlocked a Rinnegan that allowed him to also use his Sharingan powers.

      from tvtroupe: An Ass Pull is a moment when the writers pull something out of thin air in a less-than-graceful narrative development, violating the Law of Conservation of Detail by dropping a plot-critical detail in the middle, or near the end of their narrative without Foreshadowing or dropping a Chekhov's Gun earlier on.

      im not saying the rinnegan is a as*pull, but the six-tomoe-rinnegan surely is...


      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      It's like a weaker version of Kaguya's Rinne Sharingan.

      right now the only difference is that sasuke cant cast IT, but this may also be possible if he becomes the TT-jin, so, the "a*spull"-version isnt actually weaker than th "original" at least not by feats...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      As for Naruto's powers, his mode is just combining Hagoromo's Six Paths Chakra with natural energy to create Six Paths Senjutsu and he can draw on the powers of all of the beast (Which you also should have seen coming the moment they gave him some of their chakra).

      the bolded part is obvious since the "suddenly we can talk"-as*pull allowed naruto to get BM/BSM, the other one happened after he had a visit from so6p, therefore i wasnt able to see it coming, the thing i will give kishi that he actually planned the BSM/KSM mode (in the pain arc narutos eyes got like a incomplete version)...

      Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote: Also, no strategy would work against Juudara, he was way too powerful so powering up Naruto and Sasuke would be the only way they could defeat someone like Juudara.

      the bolded part says the exact line which always shows up before the MC+group use their brains, in "world trigger" the neighbors (the villians) also looked invincible, exspecially the mud-guy, but with brains they made it possible, this is why strategy is used, beating a enemy which doesnt seem like he can be beaten... or does it make sense to use strategy agaisnt someone which they would have defeated without planning?

      1. Naruto never showed anything special regarding his eyes, but it's the fact that they never showed Hagoromo's face for the longest and that Naruto is the Child of Prophecy destined to bring all of the beast together and unite them. He also possess Hagoromo's very powerful body.

      2. No, but I did see Naruto being a reincarnation of Hagoromo. Instead, he was the reincarnation of Hagoromo's son, who possessed Hagoromo's will and had the same goal that he did. Therefore, the theory wasn't too far off from the truth.

      3. The instant Kaguya appeared with her Rinne Sharingan, that allowed her to have the powers of Rinnegan and Sharingan. As well as Madara's mastery over Rinnegan and Sharingan, allowing him to switch between the two quickly and use their powers back to back, on top of him using Susanoo while using Rinnegan. Should have bee foreshadowing to Sasuke being able to do something along those lines when obtaining his Rinnegan. Now, his unique Rinnegan may not have been foreshadowed. But it's existence makes sense and is valid.

      4. How is that an asspull? He was always able to telepathically communicate with Killer B and Gyuki for a long time. So him being able to do it with the other beasts, after him obtaining a stronger bond with Kurama, is an asspull? What? How? Who says Kishimoto didn't plan that out too? Just because you didn't see it coming and it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it's an asspull, and doesn't mean it wasn't already planned for a while.

      5. I don't know anything about World Trigger. But in Naruto, no strategy would work on a guy like Juudara who can negate virtually every single attack in existence and send out invisible and invincible clones of himself that cannot be detected at all. Thus, Naruto and Sasuke obtaining powers on the same level is the only way they could have defeated him.

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    • When even the creator himself says that there is no known way to defeat the main villain, there's a big problem. Madara became too powerful for Kishimoto to write up a way to properly defeat him. Thus, the massive asspull named Kaguya was born, and she was made weak so Naruto and Sasuke can easily defeat her so that both that and the fight between Naruto and Sasuke can be shoved in before the 700th-chapter mark. Quality writing.

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    • Ajr1218 wrote: When even the creator himself says that there is no known way to defeat the main villain, there's a big problem. Madara became too powerful for Kishimoto to write up a way to properly defeat him. Thus, the massive asspull named Kaguya was born, and she was made weak so Naruto and Sasuke can easily defeat her so that both that and the fight between Naruto and Sasuke can be shoved in before the 700th-chapter mark. Quality writing.

      Kaguya was talked about even before Madara became too powerful, and she was even stronger than Madara was lol. Kishimoto gave Naruto and Sasuke their powers in order to beat Madara cause he made Madara too strong, and then rushed everything to an end.

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    • I know that Kaguya was mentioned before, but mainly as a character in the origin story of the Juubi. It's turning her into the main villain and reviving her (almost) out of nowhere that's the asspull, as it was only done so that Madara can be swiftly and easily defeated despite his overpoweredness.

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    • I don't think that's right, something tells me that Kaguya would have appeared even if they had fought and managed to beat Madara themselves, Kishi just didn't know how to write them beating him, so he had BZ be the plot device instead.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I don't think that's right, something tells me that Kaguya would have appeared even if they had fought and managed to beat Madara themselves, Kishi just didn't know how to write them beating him, so he had BZ be the plot device instead.

      mostlikely she was made for the movie :)

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    • Legendary Super Saiya-Jin 4 wrote:

      Ajr1218 wrote: When even the creator himself says that there is no known way to defeat the main villain, there's a big problem. Madara became too powerful for Kishimoto to write up a way to properly defeat him. Thus, the massive asspull named Kaguya was born, and she was made weak so Naruto and Sasuke can easily defeat her so that both that and the fight between Naruto and Sasuke can be shoved in before the 700th-chapter mark. Quality writing.

      Kaguya was talked about even before Madara became too powerful, and she was even stronger than Madara was lol. Kishimoto gave Naruto and Sasuke their powers in order to beat Madara cause he made Madara too strong, and then rushed everything to an end.

      The thing is taht she lacks a brain and being as skilled as Madara was... Also she looke like a Movie Villain to me...

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: The thing is taht she lacks a brain and being as skilled as Madara was... Also she looke like a Movie Villain to me...

      Well you got to give it to her that she's been sealed for an eternity, and only truly got to use the full extent of her power against her sons. Or as others before me put it: She is a princess, not a warrior.

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    • Thekillman wrote:

      ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: The thing is taht she lacks a brain and being as skilled as Madara was... Also she looke like a Movie Villain to me...

      Well you got to give it to her that she's been sealed for an eternity, and only truly got to use the full extent of her power against her sons. Or as others before me put it: She is a princess, not a warrior.

      Well against her sons she was the Juubi so she couldn't focuse her power like in her original form... Yeah she is a Princess but was the Leader of Otsutsuki Clan... I wanted a real fight in the end though...

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    • ΚΟΜΙΞ wrote: I wanted a real fight in the end though...

      I think just about everyone shares that sentiment

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