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  • No, I didn't mean to write Boruto instead.

    Now that the Japanese dub with English subtitles has finally been released (don't ask where to find it), I, along with a lot of other people, finally got the chance to see it. So I figured, why not have a legit discussion now?

    • Originally, I just dismissed the movie as fanservice/a way to explain how Naruto and Hinata got together. And I was kinda right; Naruto basically went, "You know what? I think I totally love Hinata!"
      • But, at least there was some substance. We have much more nonsensical couples confirmed to be canon.
    • People weren't joking about Sasuke's lack of screentime. He was literally in the movie for less than a minute. I understand he's not the main character, but he could have at least had a little more exposure; it's an almost two hour long movie.
    • That Part I music at the end...amazing. Almost amazing enough to make you forget that in 15 years, a manga about ninjas somehow turned into aliens, special eyes and giant moon-destroying cannons.

    All in all, the movie's decent. If you don't give a shit about couples/pairings, there's not much to complain about. However, it did get me pretty hyped for Boruto. Let's hope it's not another six months before we can watch that.

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    • The animation was quite spectacular, the story was meh for a movie....

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    • Yea i agree, the story was extremely meh. Not to mention it casually introduces a whole new kind of eye and then doesn't explain a thing.

      I think the worst part is that Naruto realizes Hinata loves him through genjutsu (You know, that stuff used throughout the series to torture, enslave, and misdirect people) and then magically realizes he loves her too.

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    • Naruto is stupid, what do you expect? He had to experience the past again, several times to fully comprehend how Hinata feels about him and how he feels about her. To him, loving equaled liking someone, like a friend. Once he realized there wouldn't be anyone else better to spend end of the world with than her, he got that he must love her.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Naruto is stupid, what do you expect?

      He's 19, pretty sure things like hormones would make him take some remote interest in girls. Other than vaguely drooling over Sakura in an increasingly strange fashion, too. He's Narujesus, girls love him. I find it hard to believe none of them ever asked him out proper and he never dated anyone in a vaguely serious way.

      I also find it hard to believe that in a group with a number of very blunt friends (sakura, ino, kiba, sai) nobody ever pointed it out that Hinata loves him in a more-than-friends way. Unless they secretly had a bet on how many decades it would take before he did. Even Sai realized Sakura was hurting Naruto, and if he can do that, he can know Hinata loves Naruto and Naruto doesn't realize.

      He had to experience the past again, several times to fully comprehend how Hinata feels about him and how he feels about her.

      There have already been a million trillion flashbacks to every inch of his past. I'm pretty sure he would be well-aware of every second of his past, including Hinata's love confession

      To him, loving equaled liking someone, like a friend. Once he realized there wouldn't be anyone else better to spend end of the world with than her, he got that he must love her.

      So basically he doesn't love her, its just convenient that he's with someone that likes him? And he never experienced any form of a crush on someone, even though he had a crush on Sakura, and doesn't know that such a thing exist, and thus the entire movie casually ignores that he loved someone before in that special way?

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    • For the non-romance parts of the movie, I love the Otsutsuki, I love the Tenseigan, too bad they spent half the movie on flashback instead of fleshing those out more. Also not enough Hamura.... although seeing Hamura statue beat the crap outta Kurama was amusing.

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    • Elveonora wrote: For the non-romance parts of the movie, I love the Otsutsuki, I love the Tenseigan, too bad they spent half the movie on flashback instead of fleshing those out more. Also not enough Hamura.... although seeing Hamura statue beat the crap outta Kurama was amusing.

      Yea i think it suffered heavily from complete lack of development on that part. Hamura is a pretty cool guy, and Hagoromo got his fair share of being awesome and all, but Hamura is just the forgotten brother. The Last had a chance at correcting this but failed completely. The otsutsuki clan has so much potential (i mean, friggin aliens man) but are so utterly ignored. The Tenseigan is so awesome but we get zero explanation (at least the Rinnegan derives from Kaguya. where does the Tenseigan come from?). So much potential and so much wasted.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Naruto is stupid, what do you expect? He had to experience the past again, several times to fully comprehend how Hinata feels about him and how he feels about her. To him, loving equaled liking someone, like a friend. Once he realized there wouldn't be anyone else better to spend end of the world with than her, he got that he must love her.

      It's more an issue of bad planning. Hinata was head-over-heels in love with Naruto for the entire story, meanwhile Naruto just treated her as another one of his friends. She literally said "I'm risking my life for you because I love you" when she fought Pain and then everyone pretty much forgot it happened.

      "I wanna spend the rest of my life with you, that means I must love you" is a horrible thought process. It's supposed to be, "I love you, and because I love you I want to spend the rest of my life with you."

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    • NeedleJizo wrote:

      • That Part I music at the end...amazing. Almost amazing enough to make you forget that in 15 years, a manga about ninjas somehow turned into aliens, special eyes and giant moon-destroying cannons.

      Because shouting fire, controlling the elements, controlling shadows, genderbending, energy manifestation(rasengan), bending sand, demonic fox, tournament fights, summoning things throughout space-time magic(kuchyose), giving public services(missions), killing, fighting (emphasis on the last 2) are absolutely things that a ninja actually does and a manga about ninja should actually focus :V


      Have we read the same manga ?

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    • Still better than most of those non-canonical movies.

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    • Came off as serious fanservice for the pairing-'tards of the universe. Even so, didn't care for it much and nothing it showed came as a surprise to me. After Chap. 700, it's obvious what was gonna happen as far as the 'shipping goes. The plot was meh. Toneri was meh. Sasuke only got a few moments of screen time. Naruto was well....Naruto. As you can plainly see, my opinion here is quite nonchalant. It's a movie.

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    • I loved the action scenes, and the animation was just fantastic.Seriously top notch. I didn't care much for the plot since, well, I had already read so many spoilers that it wasn't much of a surprise anymore. Not to mention it was just generally weak.

      But, the one thing, the SINGLE thing that redeemed this movie in my eyes forever was the Part 1 Background music at the end. Seriously, I just grinned so hard at hearing it!! It was an awesome thijg to be put in the movie since none of the other ones have them.

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    • Ah man, this movie. Okay, here we go...

      • Good:
      • The animation, as already mentioned, was great. The music was also fitting and supported the scenery well. So no complains about the technique.
      • I really liked the character designs (except Sasuke's, but we barely saw him anyway). I find it always refreshing to see well known characters in a different outfit.
      • The marriage scenes during the credits were amazing.
      • I liked Mei's and Onoki's attempts to stop the meteorites. While mentioning this, the action was alright in most scenes.
      • Sai was finally pleasantly awkward again (like his "thanks for ruining my dream with my brother, Sakura. Much appreciated") and I also liked the childish side of Hanabi.
      • Bad:
      • The plot was lame. Save Hanabi and while you're at it, make Naruto and Hinata a couple. Because we all know how much (romantic) affection Naruto showed for her all these years...until it takes one genjutsu to completely spin his mind around.
      • Shikamaru, Sai and Sakura were pushed so often in the background, it was such a pity. For example, they search the villages and all we see is Naruto and Hinata removing cobwebs from each other while the rest is busy not being seen. Also, I found it hilarious how one of the parts, that accompanied us since the very beginning (Naruto loving Sakura) was solved in two sentences. "Remember how you loved me? That was actually because you didn't want to lose to Sasuke, right?" *Naruto bows his head* GG guys
      • Toneri was such a badly written villain. His motives would've been okay I guess if he actually would've shown some concern for humanity or the planet, in other words, punish them for misusing chakra but giving them a chance to redeem themselves afterwards (like the flooding in the bible, I guess...). Now, he's all like "humans destroy each other so I have to destroy all of them instead. Don't know what's accomplished then, but who can care about it when everybody is dead, right?" On top of that, his interaction with Hinata was so stiff. Not only because she denied him, but also because I absolutely had no idea what exactly he wanted to accomplish by bringing her to him. I mean, he somehow didn't show any real interests with his actions, he apparently did not lust for her body, he was okay with sitting next to her knitting while no word was spoken, just what was it that he searched there? It was so obvious that there had to be not only a rival in terms of strength and opposite motives, but also one in love, and it was done so badly, it hurts. Also, his "I was punched in the face and am blind again, I'll sit on the moon for eternity now so that everybody can forget me"...ugh.
      • Way too many things weren't properly explained or no longer mentioned. I mean, what were those villages with the skull walls? What exactly does the Tenseigan? What techniques could be done with it and what could Toneri use by himself, without it? When did Shikamaru's gang even found something that wasn't done completely coincidentally? How could Kurama just casually leave Naruto's body? And why did he use a stone to write on the moon's surface? Why not a chakra beam? What??
      • The Raikage is an idiot. He damn well knows Naruto is the strongest there is and their best option to fight threats and yet he treats his ridiculous gun like it's the new Sage of the Six Paths and wants to kill him with it? Without hesitation??

      All in all, there was potential. The technical side of the movie was well done, but its content was seriously lacking. It's a shame, but at least it's not the worst Naruto movie. That crown still belongs to The Lost Tower.

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    • Toneri wanted Hinata as his wife. The plan was to destroy humanity, go into hibernation, recreate the planet using his hax Tenseigan powers, repopulate it with Hinata.

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    • You're right, guess I fell asleep at that part. Still, his motives or the execution of his motives seemed extremely forced, there was absolutely no harmony between the two characters (even in tension), Toneri "officially" chose Hinata as his wife because of the reasons you've mentioned, but in reality, it was to give Naruto a rival in love, no matter how shallow or forced that rivalry was done.

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    • Lulcielid wrote: Because shouting fire, [...] are absolutely things that a ninja actually does and a manga about ninja should actually focus :V Have we read the same manga ?

      Well actually read the Wikipedia page on ninja culture (it doesn't even have to be very in-depth) and you'll quickly run into the fact that a LOT of Naruto is based upon popular ninja concepts, like Hand Seals, fire jutsu, walking on water etc etc etc.

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    • I think I mentioned this somewhere else already, but The Last's sole purpose was to give NaruHina some kind of background. The story of those two was pretty nice, but everything else was utter garbage. Especially the last part of the movie on the moon. Naruto's one-handed chakra moda, Kurama out of Naruto's body, Toneri's unexplained powers oh and what the fck happened when Naruto reached out for Toneri? How did he save him from suffocating?

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    • The actual flesh Kurama wasn't extracted from Naruto's body, chakra construct of Kurama was.

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    • Na, you see the actual Kurama at the end, carving the symbol into the crater.

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    • .__. Maybe Naruto has both Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama and can let one out? Or there's just one Kurama but he can let him out because he still has chakras of the other Tailed Beasts to keep him alive? Dunno ask Kishi.

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    • Elveonora wrote: .__. Maybe Naruto has both Yin Kurama and Yang Kurama and can let one out? Or there's just one Kurama but he can let him out because he still has chakras of the other Tailed Beasts to keep him alive? Dunno ask Kishi.

      If Obito could manifest the Ten-Tails outside of his body (though it was more like a Wood Release replica of the Shinju to cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi), I don't see why Naruto couldn't. Maybe that's also why Naruto didn't use Six Paths Sage Mode, because his Six Paths Sage chakra was taken by Kurama to fight the Hamura statue. And Naruto still had enough chakra left to use Sage Kurama Mode, so he wouldn't have died anyway (like how B used the Eight-Tails' tentacle to survive the extraction).

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    • There are still people who believe it was a Wood Release replica? Lol.

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    • Judging by Naruto getting partial Biju in him, it´s possible that he learned to partition Kurama to manifest him outside his body, just like Obito did with the Juubi

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    • Or Shadow Clone Technique.

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    • Seelentau wrote: There are still people who believe it was a Wood Release replica? Lol.

      It was obv it wasn't a wood replica.

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    • Seelentau wrote: There are still people who believe it was a Wood Release replica? Lol.

      Well, what was it then? The Ten-Tails was still inside Obito, until Naruto and the Alliance ripped the tailed beasts' chakra out of the Uchiha's body. Madara then revived the Ten-Tails. The tree didn't disappear in that time period. If it was the Ten-Tails, it would've disappeared. Wood Release? Maybe not, but it wasn't the Ten-Tails, only a replica.

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    • It was the Shinju.

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    • Elveonora wrote: It was the Shinju.

      I didn't know the Shinju had the Rinne Sharingan, my apologies.

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    • After merging with Kaguya who does and becoming the Ten-Tails, it does.

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    • Am I the only one who has noticed that several scenes and lines shown in the trailers for The Last are absent from the actual movie?

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    • I noticed Kakashi wearing his Hokage hat scene is absent.

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    • Sarutobii2 wrote: I noticed Kakashi wearing his Hokage hat scene is absent.

      Just like when Kakashi was fired up in Road to Ninja movie trailer and they didn't show it in the actual movie. Promotion plays its role :)

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    • Thekillman wrote: He's 19, pretty sure things like hormones would make him take some remote interest in girls.

      Yes, but when hormones kicks out differs. For some people it is earlier, for others later.

      I also find it hard to believe that in a group with a number of very blunt friends (sakura, ino, kiba, sai) nobody ever pointed it out that Hinata loves him in a more-than-friends way. Unless they secretly had a bet on how many decades it would take before he did. Even Sai realized Sakura was hurting Naruto, and if he can do that, he can know Hinata loves Naruto and Naruto doesn't realize.

      Maybe they just respected Hinata's feeling and privacy enough to leave confession to her? They were aware of Hinata's feelings, Sakura thought it herself when healing her after Pain invasion and her conversation with Naruto after Toneri took Hinata only confirms it.

      even though he had a crush on Sakura, and doesn't know that such a thing exist, and thus the entire movie casually ignores that he loved someone before in that special way?

      Not true, it is covered when Naruto and Sakura speaks before going to rescue Hinata. Sakura said that his "love" for her was just another field where he competes against Sasuke and Naruto does not deny it.

      Elveonora wrote: repopulate it with Hinata.

      That part he didn't thought out well :D Unless he want to create incest paradise that is ;)

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    • Isn't there semi-incest in Hyuga anyway?

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    • Elveonora wrote: Isn't there semi-incest in Hyuga anyway?

      Hard to say. We never saw Hinata and Hanabi mother's in the manga and I don't recall seeing Neji's mother either. So there is no proof they were Hyuga before marriage (nor there is proof they were not). That and if they are large clan I think they could have non-incest internal marriages. Thinking of it, was there any Hyuga female in the manga other than Hinata and her sister?

      With Uchihas we at least know Itachi was dating someone from his clan, but was it ever confirmed or mentioned that Mikoto is Uchiha by blood?

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    • should of had more sasuke in it but it was cool

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    • Elveonora wrote: Isn't there semi-incest in Hyuga anyway?

      There were some hints in the manga (and even moreso in the Springtime of Youth spin-off) that Neji totes wanted some Hinata poon, so maybe Hyugacest is a thing. Probably is, since the Byakugan is a recessive trait, apparently.

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    • NeedleJizo wrote: There were some hints in the manga (and even moreso in the Springtime of Youth spin-off) that Neji totes wanted some Hinata poon, so maybe Hyugacest is a thing.

      Please, Springtime of Youth is just a parody, taking anything from there seriously and mixing with main manga has no sense. Without seeing at least Hinata and Hanabi mother as well as Neji's mother there is no way to resolve this subject. And either Hinata's mother is dead or Kishimoto just does not give a damn about her, so I don't think we will ever see her.

      Probably is, since the Byakugan is a recessive trait, apparently.

      Because Bolt and Himawari lack it? It was explained several times - Kishi just messed up, that's all. If it really was recessive then how Hamura managed to leave it on Earth? With pure luck?

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    • Neji never wanted Hinata poon, at first he was jealous of her position in the clan, then once he learned the truth from Hiashi he started being a protective older brother type Cousin.. in fact the fucker even pushed Naruto and Hinata closer on his death bed.. he wanted her to be happy and wanted Naruto to realize she wanted him.

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    • The Naruto Storm 4 Game (Adventure Mode) Actually Furthers The Background On How Hinata Got With Naruto, lol. She Was Trying Since The End Of The War.

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