The Retsu no sho (official guidebook designed by Kishimoto for the movie) states that only Sakura and Shikamaru (from Konoha 11) are jounin rank in the movie, Sai is in a new type of rank called chuubu, the rest are chunnin, except Naruto who is genin. I think you can check this information in their respective infoboxes.
I kind of find it stupid that Sakura and Shikamaru are the only members of the Konoha 11 to be promoted in the two year time skip for The Last. Shikamaru, no offense to his fans, sort of sucks to be considered a Jōnin. He is hardly recognizable as a Chūnin let alone being a supposed Jōnin. Shikamaru maybe a Tokubetsu for his brain power which I say is overrated. At least Shino could've been a Tokubetsu Jonin for his great tactics especially as he thinks on the spot unlike Shikamaru who needs a few hours to think of something simple. Kiba could've been a Jōnin. The only people they I assumed wouldn't have been promoted yet would've been Ino, Chōji, Shikamaru (more or less), Hinata and possibly Tenten (more likely to have gotten promoted than Shikamaru.
Sorry Rachin, but your reason is invalid. As seen from the Last, Shikamaru has matured greatly at 19. He's the serious one and quick tactical one now (and sharp-witted too)! Kids grow up and change like that, just look at Sasuke, he's a good guy now.
@Hisana Um...Hisana I'd like to point out that my opinion is my opinion. Secondly, I'm not saying that Kishi is lying however... Oh never mind. What I'm saying is my opinion on promotion. Shikamaru isn't that smart. Everything he has figured out I been thought of or thought better of, so are you to say I'm a genius too? Anyways what has Shikamaru done to be so greatly admired? But on another notr I'll have to watch the new movie to see how matured and great Shikamaru has become. And P.S Shikamaru has usually been mature. I mean he wasn't all hyperactive and going wild. So the whole he's become more mature statement doesn't seem necessary as its not like he wasn't already. What I want to know of is his abilities and capabilities which going off the series isn't that good unless you can explain to me.
But can you imagine Naruto in the Chūnin exam he would massacred the rest of the participants (like in the ova Naruto vs Konohamaru fight) .Btw Ebisu is also in some way a Jōnin but he had no chance against Pain (Naraka Path). So for me Shikamaru as a Jōnin is not so bad .
Ebisu as far as we knew was a great trainer. During the invasion of Pain he held his own much better than Shikamaru would have done against the Naraka Path. So no Shikamaru being a Jōnin is bad. That just shows how bad the system is. Giving promotions to ones who don't deserve it. As for Naruto. Naruto has powerups, nough said.
Rachin...even Sakura's full abilities were never really explored (all thanks to Sasuke and Naruto stealing the spotlight again), but we all know the strongest kunoichi now. As for Shikamaru, I meant his laziness has somewhat disappeared. Opinions are safe to say for us all indeed, but they should not show our disdain for facts.
First off, yes Sakura spotlight as a main character has been stolen several times thanks to Naruto, Sasuke and even Kakashi and I'm mad at that however she has shown great promise as a Jōnin should. Shikamaru is not great. At best he's good on a good day. As for laziness, Shikamaru wasn't even that lazy in Shippūden. I think you need better explanations. Things that made drastic changes to achieve his rank is what I'm looking for. Anyways I said what I said and though its my opinion Shikamaru has yet to show the skills of being great to achieve that rank. So his rank is all for show. Others showed more capabilities than Shikamaru. For the record I don't dislike Shikamaru I just don't see him as being very skilled or smart. How the heck do you measure an IQ score with a chess game?
@Sarutobi I didn't say Sakura being a Jōnin is the problem. Shikamaru stayed hiding for more than half of the battle in the Hidan and Kakuzu battle. Also neither Kakuzu or Hidan pages much attention to Shikamaru because that's how worthless they thought of him.
Shikamaru has got tactics down but leadership not really, quick thinking (lmfao) he takes forever to think of the simplest thing, and battle adept, please. Sakura fits those qualities yes, Shikamaru no.
@Rachin, anyone who's combat-adept enough to solo an S-rank criminal is Jonin enough for me. Besides, you were never under the pressure during battles that he was, there's no way you can compare your problem-solving skills to his
Shikamaru sucks period. I'm being purely honest. IDC about rank. I care about skill and Shikamaru doesn't have much. Look at Rock Lee he is awesome and gets no recognition. Also Shikamaru didn't solo any Akatsuki get the facts right. He did trick Hidan but Hidan is hardly the bright one. Shikamaru beat him somehow because Kakashi extracted blood from Kakuzu somehow despite many of parts say Kakuzu don't have blood. instances include when Kakuzu was stabbed by Lightning Blade no blood came spewing out like it later did with Naruto's Rasenshuriken. Also when Kakuzu released his masks blood didn't come out. There are other instances too. Shikamaru "winning" was purely because of plot. Also, Shikamaru had plot on his side against Temari. Temari's wind slashes and pushed everything around Shikamaru but didn't harm Shikamaru, Yea bs. Shikamaru became a Chūnin because his brain tactics which aren't that good. Also rather I'm in the same situation or not I can always imagine myself in it and still would've done better than Shikamaru. And yes I can compare my problem solving skills to his because he takes hours to think and hides but I can think on the spot.
@Sarutobi Shikamaru did not Solo Hidan. And I have nothing to hate on about Shikamaru. I don't want to be him, never. Shikamaru hardly engaged Hidan. Like I said Shikamaru was hardly worth the stress as the whole battle basically Hidan nor Kakuzu paid much attention to him. Shikamaru won because of plot and if it wasn't for the blood Kakashi got from Kakuzu then his whole plan would've been destroyed. Not to mention Shikamaru thought of a whole plan before the encounter. Let it had been with no info on each other Shikamaru would have been easily toast. So no me a hater lmfao not in your life but maybe your a Shikamaru rider.
Shikamaru did take down Hidan by his self. Hidan was part of the akatsuki, a group of s rank ninjas, i wouldn't consider Hidan not bright I would consider him out smarted. Shikamaru is easily considered a Jonin. He was even a proxy leader in the fourth great ninja war. I mean look at the other leaders many were kage, jonin that would become a kage, and really strong jonin. This alone puts him in the same category of a jonin!
Yea no. Shikamaru had plot on his side. That's all I'm saying. You can try and give Shikamaru praise however if someone really thought about everything Shikamaru has done or thought of you wouldn't be impressed. Of course they try and hype him up in Naruto. How the heck did it take damnnear to the end of the fight to figure out Hidan's ability. Even Izumo figured it out before him who has lower intelligence according to ten databooks. The only thing I give Shikamaru is that he tricked Hidan into getting possessed by connecting shadows. Shikamaru had preps time and creates a trap for Hidan. Not to mention that bs blood swap Shikamaru displayed when Hidan came at him. Funny thing is when Hidan stabbed himself with Kakuzu's blood why didn't Kakuzu take any damage. Anyways, Shikamaru sucks. No rank ain't changing that. Rock Lee is Chūnin and will beat him in a heartbeat. Shikamaru hides in the shadows. And not like a ninja, like a punk. And actually Hidan was not that bright. I mean he wasn't stupid but he hardly accounted as being smart.
The thing is you keep repeating yourself. You keep saying he has plot on his side, whatever that means. Kakuza did not take any damage because you have to attack him directly in the heart to destroy one of his hearts. Shikamaru did figure out Hidans ability in their first encounter which is impressive, because even shikamaru was really stressed about asuma. If he wasn't so stressed he would of found out ten times faster. Then what about him being a proxy comander in the war. You didn't say anything about that because you must agree with me;)
@Ahanna IDC if he's proxy commander or not. Like I said I hardly care for rank at all unless you've shown the capabilities. Look at Lee. He's a Chūnin and shown capabilities of achieving a hire rank but crappy ninja like Shikamaru somehow gets promoted. And stop trying to suck up to Shikamaru. If he didn't have to worry about Asuma he would have figured out it out ten times faster. Oh please. Shikamaru is a allow thinker and that's his problem. And the thing is if I keep repeating myself so what. And yes he does have plot. If you are not familiar with the term plot no jutsu you obviously haven't been in the world fanon as if you did I wouldn't have to explain this to you. What it means is that despite the specific characters shortcomings they will prevail not because of skill but because a force, "plot", "creator" won't allow it. Shikamaru would have never been able to beat Hidan had he not had plot on his side and prep time. Also, if your Shikamaru was so great why didn't he battle Hidan or Kakuzu for most of the battle instead of staying out of reach or sight. He only came in when the coast was clear. Such as when Ino and Chōji were captured, Shikamaru had the perfect opportunity to attack because Kakuzu was distracted. Even Chōji showed more promise despite really getting bashed in the fight. Rank hardly means anything in Naruto nowadays to be honest. Shikamaru isn't that good. He hardly gets any acknowledgement on my part. That's why he has his fanboys/fangirls.
Your disdain for shikamaru is beyond reason, his skills aren't meant for close range fighting. He doesn't do close range fighting, he'd get annihilated in an instant against Kakazu. The Nara Shadow techniques is pretty useful, and lets him fight at medium and long ranges, along with his ability he can easily overwhelm opponents. Say what you wish, there's no reasoning with you if you can't understand that He solod Hidan. You should know the scene, but whatever.
@Matthew I have no problem giving credit to characters when its due. Shoot I dislike Sasuke but he's still strong despite he has his fair share of plot no jutsu protecting him. I know of the Nara's fighting skills. Yes they are useful. Don't try and make it seem that I don't like the entire clan or think they are weak. And I've watched the battle. Several times. Its on my favorite list. The Hidan and Kakuzu fight was one of my fav fights in the series. As for Shikamaru being a overwhelming opponent. Yea no. Shikamaru solo'd nobody. So you say what you wish. The only person he didn't win off bs or won on his own terms was Kin and she didn't even get stats. There is no reasoning. You make it sound like I'm delusional. Maybe you should watch Shikamaru's history of fighting. Observing right you would know that okay he doesn't necessarily suck but he's not that good. Anyways I said my peace. Like it or don't IDC. I didn't come to please nobody. I have proof of why Shikamaru lacks. Yet all you keep saying is he became Proxy Commander. And what has he done as the commander? Jackshit. His intelligence is basically his only thing and honestly he's not that smart. If Shikamaru was so smart he would've known that sound travels better through water when Chōji was fighting Dosu. He said because Chōji has his ears hidden he's fine. Really? The almighty Shikamaru didn't know simple physics. Other examples too. I figured out things a lot faster band better than Shikamaru so I must be a Super Genius.
i think the rank of jonin is the rank that a kage only control,because as far as i know the only need to become a jonin is a recommendation letter,since sakura and shikamaru are really popular after the war,many high level ninja recommend them into a jonin class,in case of naruto he never become a jonin because he is not a chunin and think kakashi forbids naruto to take the chunin exams because he knows that is unfair for other genin because he is powerful,but a giving a kage title is a different case because the kage has a power to chose who is next successor regardless their ranks and only need is approval of other jonin that's why naruto becomes a kage skipping the rank of chunin and jonin and i think the jonin panel has no objection on that, because they know that naruto is stronger than them.The new episode i think confirms that gaara also skipping the rank of chunin and jonin successing his father(Fourth Kazekage) although he is still a genin.
If I am not wrong, jounins are chosen by the hokage with the approval of all the rest of chuunins; meaning this was Kakashi's decision. Kakashi has praised several times shikamaru and his abilities (as well as sakura), so to me it is obvious he promoted them to jounin level. Sorry Rachin, but i dont think Kakashi fully trusts Rock lee, jounin rank is not just about power and effort.
Sorry nothing. In what occasions has Kakashi praised Shikamaru. Give me three times. Jonin rank also isn't aboyt running and hiding and taking forever to think of a plan either. As for Rock Lee. Rock Lee has shown to be a good leader, hard trainer, battle adpet, etc. He's practically a clone of Might Guy who is a Jōnin. If anyone deserved a promotion or at least a Tokubetsu Jōnin promotion it would be Lee but nope. And I don't care if Kakashi gave him the promotion. Kakashi entrusts Shikamaru to be a leader of his own team is gonna get that team killed. Wait his members of the team will be on the front lines while Shikamaru takes several hours to come up with a plan and when he thought of one they'll be dead because of him. I mean he almost let Chōji get hit by Hidan when he stopped Chōji with the Shadow Possession and didn't bother to move him when he clearly seen Hidan come at him. All of Shikamaru's plans have been decent at best. None were great. His skills lacked badly. He hardly could even stay in a fight with his crappy stamina. His genjutsu, moving on. Taijutsu. His taijutsu is below average. Speed. Average. And I'm not taking the stats into account as they are flawed anyways for the most part. Overall we are speaking at a Genin with Chūnin level intelligence. Sorry his fight with Temari was bogus. Anyone with sense would know that. The strategy he pulled wouldn't have come into play as he already would've been beaten 2 minutes into the match had he had not had plot.
Many shinobi praised shikamaru. Kakashi, tsunade, third hokage, asuma, and more. Asuma even said he would make a good hokage besides the fact that he is too lazy. My opinion I think everyone from konoha 11 should be a jounin. But shikamaru with out a doubt deserves to be one no matter what you say. I mean look at all these people who are with shikamaru compared to yourself who is just trying to hate on him.
@Ahanna Many people praised a lot of people so what. I also would like to point out that I'm no hater and like I said there is nothing on hate on about Shikamaru honestly. Sorry to break it to you. Secondly, I didn't know this was a contest. Well anyways I don't care if it was 1000 against me, y statements still stand. And you know there is a such thing is being nice. Sensei's say stuff to try and boost their students ego. And Shikamaru without a doubt doesn't deserve to be a Jōnin. Yes he's apparently got the rank. Its not changing anything cuz he isn't good. I wouldn't want to team up with him or have him as my sensei ever. I prefer to take Ino over him. Like I said I've seen his abilities and capabilities and that don't scream Jōnin material. Like I said I give credit when credit is do. Shikamaru is decently smart. However, he takes long to think and its true. He'd been killed had it not been for support always usually covering him. Also, his overall skills aren't that good either. So yea I'm leaving. Call me a hater cuz I'm not. If I was a hater Shikamaru would be last person I would hate on.
@Rachin, Shikamaru did solo him. During his fight with Hidan, the trick didn't save him, it saved Kakashi. Shikamaru dodged the blade and could've used any animal's blood as the decoy. He took Hidan on himself.
actually shikamaru can become a jonin easily if tsunade is the hokage,base on his capabilities tsunade partially admits that he should in jonin level,the only thing that tsunade did not promote him into that rank is because of his lazziness,that's why he always give shikamaru a multiple mission to change that attitude.
I actually agree that shikamaru promoted in being a jonin because he has a outstanding leadership,the proof is gaara appointed him as proxy commander of fourth division during the fourth shinobi war,As we know the other commander is in jonin rank's while he is a chunin only.
Good lord this Rachin person seems like a real toolbag. Shikamaru's image has been partially sullied by the rampant amounts of fanfiction that portray him as next to useless due to laziness, but the fact of the matter is, he is much more worthy of jonin consideration than most anyone else. He's a smart guy, and if faults were a determining factor in ninja rank, Kakashi, Asuma, and Guy wouldn't be anywhere near jonin level. Of all the Konoha 12, I'd say Neji (who was already a jonin), Sakura, and Shikamaru are the only ones worthy of the rank. Tenten and Shino are near it because of age (former) and ability/wisdom (latter), but that's it.