Elveonora wrote: @Foxie, so Obito controlled Yagura before he could control Yagura? Right. After escaping Madara's hideout, he rushed into Kirigakure, took control of Yagura, started bloody mists, ordered Kiri ninja to capture Rin and make her a jinchuuriki, then rushed back to pretend he is on his way to save Rin, it definitely wasn't Madara who did all this, Obito was a mastermind behind his own misery.
You can be a snarky asshole all you want. The point is, Mei did state that it was under the reign of the Fourth Mizukage (Yagura) that the Bloody Mist got its name. That's not a debatable piece of information, its fact. I don't care if Madara caused it, Obito caused (technically they both did, since Madara controlled the Mist in the Obito situtation, and Obito controlled the Mist sometime after), or if Yagura is bipolar as hell. The fringe group on here who tries to deny that it was under his reign that the village got its name apparently don't know how to read the very thing they're trying to debate.
Well, when Obito went on a rampage right after Rin's death, the Kiri ANBU there told him not to underestimante the village of the Bloody Mist. Since Rin was Isobu's jinchuriki before Yagura, I doubt Yagura was the one who started the Bloody Mist stuff.
That's the thing: How can you say that when you don't know when Yagura became the jinchuriki? Not to mention when he lost it. For all you know, he could've been made the jinchuriki after Rin died. Just because Rin and Yagura were both Isobu jinchuriki doesn't mean Rin came after Yagura. There's literally no logic for that. You only assume that. Secondly, I'm going to take the Fifth Mizukage's words about her own village over the opinions of the fanbase.
Ten Tailed Fox wrote: I'm going to take the Fifth Mizukage's words about her own village over the opinions of the fanbase.
"Ao, the times our village was called the "Bloody Mist" are over. The Fourth Mizukage's nightmare ended long ago. So I beg of you, stop recalling the past". The Bloody Mist already existed when Kakashi killed Rin.
JOA20 wrote:
Ten Tailed Fox wrote: I'm going to take the Fifth Mizukage's words about her own village over the opinions of the fanbase.
"Ao, the times our village was called the "Bloody Mist" are over. The Fourth Mizukage's nightmare ended long ago. So I beg of you, stop recalling the past". The Bloody Mist already existed when Kakashi killed Rin.
....And? What does Rin killing Kakashi have to do with Yagura's reign? Do you assume that because he looks young, he must not have been Mizukage during that period? Also, I hope you realize that quote does nothing to help your position. She clearly equates the title "Bloody Mist" to the "Fourth Mizukage's nightmare".
You seem to be thinking "Bloody Mist=Yagura's reign". Unless you mean that Yagura became Mizukage and then was turned into Isobu's jinchuriki, which I would find very unlikely since tailed beasts take a while to revive after being killed.
@Foxie, which still leaves a mystery how could spine-root attached grandpa Madara from the underground control Yagura miles away.
Elveonora wrote: @Foxie, which still leaves a mystery how could spine-root attached grandpa Madara from the underground control Yagura miles away.
he didnt...that was Obito.
I'm talking before Obito did. The latest few posts are about the fact that the village had been Bloody Mist before Obito took control of Yagura. Also Madara somehow made Rin into a jinchuuriki and attached the seal on her heart.
RexGodwin wrote:
Elveonora wrote: @Foxie, which still leaves a mystery how could spine-root attached grandpa Madara from the underground control Yagura miles away.
he didnt...that was Obito.
But Madara somehow manipulated the Kiri Anbu into sealing Isobu in Rin... despite being "asleep" right next to Obito the whole time. Somebody (Madara?) also forced Yagura to start the Bloody Mist Era, unless Yagura's good nature was a facade and he did it himself.