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Kakashi's the Copy Ninja again.

  • I just read chapter 688. I was shocked that Obito not only returned to the living world for a minute, but also gave Kakashi both his Sharingans, making him the first non-Uchiha to create Susanoo.

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    • The only thing I'm worried about is Obito saying that the Sharigan might only be temporary. It would really suck for him to go back to being Sharingan-less, but knowing Kishimoto, it'll last long enough just to make a difference.

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    • NeedleJizo wrote: The only thing I'm worried about is Obito saying that the Sharigan might only be temporary. It would really suck for him to go back to being Sharingan-less, but knowing Kishimoto, it'll last long enough just to make a difference.

      Well, maybe it's more like "you know, you might turn full blind", or "I don't know how long it'll last, but good luck".

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    • I'm fairly certain that expire comment was relating to how the Mangekyou goes blind with usage, rather than the temporary thing. Granted I may be reading a bad translation.

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    • the thing is that if they go blind it will likely take many years and the simple reason is this

      he didn't just get obito's eyes transplanted again. this time Kakashi's normal eyes awakened the sharingan meaning they are brand new sharingan they are simply Mangekyou sharingan and they have access to obito's techniques. he may have meant that his visual prowess in the eyes are temporary and that once they fade kakashi will have his own sharingan

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    • Benknightprime wrote: I'm fairly certain that expire comment was relating to how the Mangekyou goes blind with usage, rather than the temporary thing. Granted I may be reading a bad translation.

      I agree.

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    • Ugh, the Sharingan is temporary. The reason Kakashi got it is because Obito transferred his chakra to Kakashi. Once it runs out, he will be back to normal.

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    • He said it "might expire." Unless that was a translation error, considering everything we've seen so far, that means it could go blind if overused. But it can be temporary, given the method used for Obito to hand over his Sharingan to Kakashi... then again, Kakashi said he and Obito will see the future together... Meh...

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    • I do hope so. Otherwise, how is Kakashi going to spend his life while not in battle? He had to cover the Sharingan to save chakra all the time, is he now going to run around blind if the Sharingan stucks with him forever?

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    • Norleon wrote: I do hope so. Otherwise, how is Kakashi going to spend his life while not in battle? He had to cover the Sharingan to save chakra all the time, is he now going to run around blind if the Sharingan stucks with him forever?

      There's a chance Kakashi can now deactivate the Sharingan since he has Obito's chakra.

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    • JOA20 wrote:

      Norleon wrote: I do hope so. Otherwise, how is Kakashi going to spend his life while not in battle? He had to cover the Sharingan to save chakra all the time, is he now going to run around blind if the Sharingan stucks with him forever?

      There's a chance Kakashi can now deactivate the Sharingan since he has Obito's chakra.

      Thank you! Been sayin that!

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    • kakashi the copy ninja my ass......more like kakashi the ghost hunted asspull character with a perfect susanoo.....

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    • it is my theory that what Obito meant is that one day he will go blind. lets put it this way Kakashi did not get the eyes transplanted they awakened. meaning his new eyes manifested the sharingan because Obito's chakra was placed in side him. that means kakashi should from that point on now have uchiha chakra. and since the eyes actually awakened he should be able to turn them off. and since they are not transplants the light in them more than likely is brand new light and as such if they go blind it would likely be a couple decades before they go blind

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    • No, he didn't awaken anything. Sharingan chakra gets produced in Uchiha brain, Kakashi doesn't have it. Obito simply transferred his chakra to Kakashi and he will have Sharingan for only as long as there's Obito's chakra.

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    • I'm just wondering how the hell can Kakashi manifest a perfect Susanoo on his first try?

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    • Elveonora wrote: No, he didn't awaken anything. Sharingan chakra gets produced in Uchiha brain, Kakashi doesn't have it. Obito simply transferred his chakra to Kakashi and he will have Sharingan for only as long as there's Obito's chakra.

      that is a bunch of b.s because clearly his eyes manifested the sharingan if it had not done so he would not have the sharingan. the chakra may originate in an uchiha but there is nothing on the show that indicates that its not possible to awaken the sharingan by transplanting uchiha chakra into a non uchihas brain. what likely happened is the chakra that obito gave him reacted with Kakashi's optic nerves causing the sharingan to manifest. if there was any change in his optic nerves than the logical assumption is that kakashi now has his own sharingan that will last until blindness sets in. also based on the fact that one transplanted sharingan horribly effected kakashi's stamina two would instantly effect his stamina. before hand kakashi had a stamina of 3 if the sharingan that kakashi has right now are something that are not uniquely his own then his stamina just went from 3 to 1.5 which means he would have like what a min of usability, that is why the most logical assumption is that obito giving his chakra to kakashi has caused kakashi's optic nerves to manifest brand new sharingan that are adapted to kakashi's body. also you got to realize that kakashi has had not only the chakra of the uchiha in his body for what 20 years but the cells of the uchiha in his body, it could very well be that most of his cells are obito's cells now

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    • Whatever

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    • No not whatever. the sharingan manifests in an uchiha when they experience pain and loss. but only after there brain begins to produce sharingan chakra. which then causes there optic nerves to manifest the eyes. so if obito gave his chakra over to kakashi it could very well mean that kakashi's brain and optic nerves reacted by manifesting the sharingan. look at obito. madara put hashirama's cells in him and obito manifested wood release, the sage of the six paths gave Naruto and Sasuke a fragment of his chakra and sasuke manifested a single Rinnegan and Naruto has the six paths senjutsu. in fact what obito did is no different than Indra and Asura's chakra transmigrating into new hosts over and over again. look at madara. all though he is no longer the transmigrant of Indra he still has the powers he gained from combining Indra and Asura's chakra. so in a way you could very well say that Kakashi is not a transmigrant of obito

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    • Let it go Actionmanrandell. You really don't want to get into a scrap with Elveonora.

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    • THANK YOU Randell, I agree 110%.

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    • @Actionmanrandell, I think Elveonora's right. Kakashi could manifest the Sharingan only because he has Obito's chakra in him.

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    • I'm not interested, that's why I said "whatever"

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    • JOA20 wrote: @Actionmanrandell, I think Elveonora's right. Kakashi could manifest the Sharingan only because he has Obito's chakra in him.

      yea and the only reason Sasuke and Naruto can do what they do is because they have Indra and Asura's chakra bound to them. the same could be said with every uchiha and every senju that doesn't change the fact that Kakashi still manifested a sharingan. it would be illogical if the sharingan he manifested is only a temporary thing. Madara has not been the transmigrant of Indra in years yet he still has all the powers he gained from being Indra's transmigrates. indicating any changes done from chakra transfer(in said manners) is permanent

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    • TheUltimate3 wrote: Let it go Actionmanrandell. You really don't want to get into a scrap with Elveonora.

      why is that? its not like we are in a death battle. and i personally am not afraid of him. what i said was logical. he simply denies every single theory unless it is his own theory to this day he still believes that Kaguya has a Rinnegan when the exact words used in the manga are Byakugan and Sharingan

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    • Well put it this way, Obito's Chakra which awakened Sharingan and Mangekyo and was most likely fused with Hashirama's since he had it so long(which is why he can use perfect susanoo), is now part of Kakashi. It helped him awaken his own Sharingan, which is also Obito's Sharingan. It is most likely Obito meant that Kakashi will eventually go blind, or simply lose the sharingans once they go blind, and revert back to his old eyes.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: Well put it this way, Obito's Chakra which awakened Sharingan and Mangekyo and was most likely fused with Hashirama's since he had it so long(which is why he can use perfect susanoo), is now part of Kakashi. It helped him awaken his own Sharingan, which is also Obito's Sharingan. It is most likely Obito meant that Kakashi will eventually go blind, or simply lose the sharingans once they go blind, and revert back to his old eyes.

      exactly one can not simply gain the sharingan by taking an uchiha's chakra into there body if that was the case orochimaru would have gained it years before. its my theory that because kakashi had the sharingan in his body all these years his body has acclimated to the sharingan. because of this when Obito's chakra revived and entered his body it attached itself to his optic nerves causing kakashi to awaken the sharingan and likely the same chakra that an uchiha gains. not to mention all those years of having obito's eyes has likely caused kakashi's body to acclimate to the uchiha DNA

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    • Since we didn't see Obito returning, he maybe still in Kakashi controlling Susanoo or whatever.

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    • No, the only way the Sharingan is now Kakashi's and is permanent is if Obito's chakra literary transmigrated into him. Unless that's confirmed, it is only temporary.

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    • Elveonora. i guess you can never understand logic


      here is what it is

      kakashi literally manifested a sharingan. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. his eyes became the sharingan. if that is not permanent than kishimoto is literally a mentally challenged person. through out Naruto when something like this has happened(chakra exchange etc) its always been permanent for instance when orochimaru takes a new host body he doesn't loose the last host bodies powers he still has them say if he possessed an uchiha when he takes a new body he would still have the power of the uchiha long after there chakra fades. look at madara. the moment he died he was no longer Indra's transmigrant yet after he was revived using Rinne Rebirth he still had every power he gained when he was a transmigrant so logic would dictate the only thing that is temporary is the sight as in eventually he(kakashi) will go blind

      also i might add that kakashi has been known for his sharingan so kishimoto will likely have had this something that doesn't go away

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    • No, like Randall said, if Uchiha chakra was all it took to gain Sharingan then Orochimaru would have done it already. I don't think this is the kind of temporary that you guys are thinking. It will go blind in time, but until then Kakashi has his own Sharingan eyes now.

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    • and if that whole transmigrated into him idea of yours worked then Sasuke and Madara would of had Indras swirl designed Mangekyo the moment they awakened their Sharingan.

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    • Indrel, what are you even arguing about? The only way it's permanent is if Obito's chakra transmigrated into Kakashi. Just because he has a Sharingan doesn't mean it did and that it's permanent. Naruto gets Kurama's eyes too while using its chakra.

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    • In Mangastr***'s translation Obito told Kakashi that the present will be temporary. It look like the reason for Kakashi being able to use Susanoo is having Obito's Chakra.

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    • Yeah and Hagoromo gave Sasuke his chakra, awakening his Rinnegan. If this isn't permanent then neither is Sasuke's Rinnegan, or Naruto's Six Paths Sage Senjutsu.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: Elveonora. i guess you can never understand logic


      here is what it is

      kakashi literally manifested a sharingan. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. his eyes became the sharingan. if that is not permanent than kishimoto is literally a mentally challenged person. through out Naruto when something like this has happened(chakra exchange etc) its always been permanent for instance when orochimaru takes a new host body he doesn't loose the last host bodies powers he still has them say if he possessed an uchiha when he takes a new body he would still have the power of the uchiha long after there chakra fades. look at madara. the moment he died he was no longer Indra's transmigrant yet after he was revived using Rinne Rebirth he still had every power he gained when he was a transmigrant so logic would dictate the only thing that is temporary is the sight as in eventually he(kakashi) will go blind

      also i might add that kakashi has been known for his sharingan so kishimoto will likely have had this something that doesn't go away

      which powers does madara have from indra after reborn ? he didnt use any special abilities.

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    • I don't think outside of the Chakra strength and size that he got anything from Indra. That goes for the other incarnates of Indra and Asura too.

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    • Kamui-Master wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote: Elveonora. i guess you can never understand logic


      here is what it is

      kakashi literally manifested a sharingan. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. his eyes became the sharingan. if that is not permanent than kishimoto is literally a mentally challenged person. through out Naruto when something like this has happened(chakra exchange etc) its always been permanent for instance when orochimaru takes a new host body he doesn't loose the last host bodies powers he still has them say if he possessed an uchiha when he takes a new body he would still have the power of the uchiha long after there chakra fades. look at madara. the moment he died he was no longer Indra's transmigrant yet after he was revived using Rinne Rebirth he still had every power he gained when he was a transmigrant so logic would dictate the only thing that is temporary is the sight as in eventually he(kakashi) will go blind

      also i might add that kakashi has been known for his sharingan so kishimoto will likely have had this something that doesn't go away

      which powers does madara have from indra after reborn ? he didnt use any special abilities.

      Susanoo for one the appearance of his susanoo is the same appearance of Indra's also he has the Rinnegan which means he still has the powers he gained from Indra and Asura's chakra uniting in fact Hagoromo stated clearly that neither Madara nor Hashirama have Indra and Asura's chakra anymore yet both have the powers that Indra and Asura had

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    • I doubt Obito would give his friend a power that would expire anytime soon, if at all. Especially since he doesn't want to give Kakashi an excuse to die anytime soon to, giving him more personal time with Rin. Granted this is just wishful thinking, but I am definitely hoping this is permanent; that the Copy Ninja lives on! I also hope that Kakashi's eyes can deactivate at will now so he can still conserve chakra without blindfolding himself and won't deteriorate just like Obito did somehow.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Indrel, what are you even arguing about? The only way it's permanent is if Obito's chakra transmigrated into Kakashi. Just because he has a Sharingan doesn't mean it did and that it's permanent. Naruto gets Kurama's eyes too while using its chakra.

      his eyes literally changed into the Sharingan if that is not permanent than Kishimoto is an idiot when obito said the gift i am giving you is temporary he actually said that it maybe temporary he did not actually say its temporary

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    • By maybe, it doesn't mean that Obito didn't know if it's temporary or not. He said it maybe temporary but not useless.

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    • He said "it may be temporary, but not useless" that in English doesn't translate to "maybe it is temporary" but to "it is temporary, but not useless"

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    • I think that line should be left to opinion until Seel translates all of that. Because if that power is temporary, the like I said, so is Sasuke and Naruto's.

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    • well its the same with hagoromo and sasuke/naruto. giving chakra and than use his powers. it seems to be permanent. and now he can deactivate it i think. but why can he use susanoo in his perfect form at his first try without having a uchiha body? obitos chakra somehow doesnt make kakashis body that of an uchiha or senju. he only gave chakra to them not dna or something like that

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    • Yes, it may expire, but even Obito doesn't know for sure. Hopefully, it doesn't.

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    • MERCURIOUS wrote: By maybe, it doesn't mean that Obito didn't know if it's temporary or not. He said it maybe temporary but not useless.

      the translation i have simply says it maybe temporary nothing more.

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    • because Obito's chakra mixed with Hashirama's for 18 years and essentially became his own, and I think it is safe to say Hashirama's DNA/Chakra makes a Mangekyo a makeshift EMS, therefor he was able to use the perfect Susanoo.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: because Obito's chakra mixed with Hashirama's for 18 years and essentially became his own, and I think it is safe to say Hashirama's DNA makes a Mangekyo a makeshift EMS, therefor he was able to use the perfect Susanoo.

      but at his first try ? and having EMS doesnt mean you can use perfect susanoo. BUT AT HIS FIRST TRY !?!? Plot-no-jutsu

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    • "Naruto and Sasuke's gifted powers are permanent, so should be Kakashi's Sharingan" ....

      Are they? If the upcoming movie is canon, then you may have noticed that Naruto lacks Six Paths Senjutsu eyes.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Are they? If the upcoming movie is canon, then you may have noticed that Naruto lacks Six Paths Senjutsu eyes.

      And his right hand is bandaged.

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    • Obito did say he doesn't want Kakashi to "return" his gift. Either way, we really don't know what the show will decide in the end. We can only hope and sand letters to the writers, begging them to keep Naruto, Sasuke, and Kakashi's respective gifts permanent.

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    • I'm fine with it being temporarily. After the war I'm sure there will be peace of sorts so Kakashi wont need such powerful eyes. I also see Naruto and Sasuke losing their latest power-ups with Naruto also setting the Tailed Beasts free so he loses that power-up as well.

      Would make it really easy to set up a Third Series if Naruto no longer is at God levels in power.

      Seems like only Sakura will keep her latest power-ups as she gained them naturally and through hard work.

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    • somebody in the previous disscussions used to insist that kakashi will gain obito both sharingan . . . . I wonder if god felt pity for him so decided to make kishi bring with the idea of obito giving his eyes to kakashi

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    • I really do hope Naruto and Sasuke lose the Sage chakra and Naruto loses 8 of the tailed beasts and keeps Kurama only. Kakashi deserves the power he has now as it was a dying gift from his best friend(AGAIN lol) and he always had to try so hard just to keep up with all the chakra filled monsters around him(Naruto for example). But the Rinnegan and the Six Paths Senjutsu need to disappear along with Kaguya, Black Zetsu and Hagoromo. Without that Uchiha stone tablet and black zetsu's bitch ass the world would have been better off from the start

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    • Easy,Easy! Itachi! it's like saying if the forbidden tree didn't exist Adam & Eve wouldn't on Earth now

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    • I actually think that Kakashi will keep his Sharingans and that he can use them now lika a Uchiha uses his Sharingans but he will eventually go blind because its no EMS (because you need 2 MS to get a EMS , Obito only gave his own eyes to Kakashi so normal MS with the effect of going blind at some point) And either he has Hashirama cells inside him because Obito had them for so long (although later he never used any MOKUTON so it may be that the Hashirama cells got weaker) or he doesn't have them -> i don't think that the cells avoid the blindness

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    • Arabian Ninja wrote: Easy,Easy! Itachi! it's like saying if the forbidden tree didn't exist Adam & Eve wouldn't on Earth now

      What?

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    • What do u think obito Susanoo I bet it orange

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    • It's Kakashi's Susanoo. If Obito had it he would of used it when he was brought back by Naruto.. and I think it will be a greyish color

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    • You know, a while ago, someone posted an image of what Kakashi's Susanoo could theoretically look like in its perfect form. Who would have thought the idea would be made real. See it at http://narutobase.net/forums/showthread.php?t=352659

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      Elveonora wrote:

      Arabian Ninja wrote: Easy,Easy! Itachi! it's like saying if the forbidden tree didn't exist Adam & Eve wouldn't on Earth now

      What?

      NOT TALKING TO YOU

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    • Arabian Ninja wrote: Easy,Easy! Itachi! it's like saying if the forbidden tree didn't exist Adam & Eve wouldn't on Earth now

      Lol i missed a Word i meant

      Easy,Easy! Itachi! it's like saying if the forbidden tree didn't exist Adam & Eve wouldn't have been on Earth now

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    • I was just asking, no need for the capitals.

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    • Elveonora wrote: "Naruto and Sasuke's gifted powers are permanent, so should be Kakashi's Sharingan" ....

      Are they? If the upcoming movie is canon, then you may have noticed that Naruto lacks Six Paths Senjutsu eyes.

      Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi will probably all gain the ability to deactivate their eyes, lol.

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    • I don't understand this debate about if its temporary or not. Tobirama said that when an uchiha is placed under stress the brain creates chakra in which the optic nerve reacts, displaying sharingan. Since he absorbed obito chakra this allow's him to achieve sharingan but there is only two things from here, either he will lose the sharingan or his own body will start producing the chakra needed to achieve sharingan. We will get the answer in the next chapter.

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    • Elveonora wrote: "Naruto and Sasuke's gifted powers are permanent, so should be Kakashi's Sharingan" ....

      there a big difference is that the power gifts were given a little different.

      Obito entered Kakashi subconscious whit a chakra psychical bodym where Hagoromo appeared out of nowhere and the people he gifted his powers are descendant of him.

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    • Elveonora wrote: I was just asking, no need for the capitals.

      No need to be annoyed bro ;)

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    • Obito did say it's temporary so lets see how long this power will last.

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    • Technically, he said it "may" be temporary. He isn't sure. But, we will find out. Here's hoping he keeps it. *Cross Fingers*

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    • True

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    • It's weird here, you guys are going ham.

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote: Elveonora. i guess you can never understand logic


      here is what it is

      kakashi literally manifested a sharingan. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. his eyes became the sharingan. if that is not permanent than kishimoto is literally a mentally challenged person. through out Naruto when something like this has happened(chakra exchange etc) its always been permanent for instance when orochimaru takes a new host body he doesn't loose the last host bodies powers he still has them say if he possessed an uchiha when he takes a new body he would still have the power of the uchiha long after there chakra fades. look at madara. the moment he died he was no longer Indra's transmigrant yet after he was revived using Rinne Rebirth he still had every power he gained when he was a transmigrant so logic would dictate the only thing that is temporary is the sight as in eventually he(kakashi) will go blind

      also i might add that kakashi has been known for his sharingan so kishimoto will likely have had this something that doesn't go away

      No, he didn't. That's literally your opnion. We don't know if he transfered eyes again, or if we actually awakended them. We.don't.know. For you to sit here and try to write cannon is idioctic just becuase you *think* you know what happenend. Also, just because you may not get your way Kishi is mentally challenged? That's the most idiotic thing I've ever hearf calling someone mentally challenged because you don't get your way. We don't always get what we want, and just because one jutsu (a totally different one used by orochimaru) is permanent, doesn't mean thereafter every single chakra transfer jutsu is permanent. You seem to forget the part where jutsu are different from each other. I have two markers sitting in front of me. One is a sharpie, it's permanent, does that automatically mean my crayola marker is permanent? I mean, they both are markers, right? There is nothing in cannon stating that chakra transfers are 100% permanent. Just becuase you a a theroy doesn't make it true. Yes, the chakra transfers we've seen have all been permanent. But that doesn't mean this one will be. Becuase.it's.not.cannon.that.all.chakra.transfers.are.permanent. Case point, who the hell knows if the sharingan will be permanent. But knowing Kishi, I'm sure they will be becuse he feels bad for sharinganless Kakashi. You *really* need to calm down.

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      Remember when 9-tails gave everyone on the battle feild a version one cloak? Was that permanent? Is everyone a pseudo-jinchuriki now? Or just anytime a tailed beast gives a human some of it's chakra?

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    • Zelwolf wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote: Elveonora. i guess you can never understand logic


      here is what it is

      kakashi literally manifested a sharingan. there is no ifs ands or buts about it. his eyes became the sharingan. if that is not permanent than kishimoto is literally a mentally challenged person. through out Naruto when something like this has happened(chakra exchange etc) its always been permanent for instance when orochimaru takes a new host body he doesn't loose the last host bodies powers he still has them say if he possessed an uchiha when he takes a new body he would still have the power of the uchiha long after there chakra fades. look at madara. the moment he died he was no longer Indra's transmigrant yet after he was revived using Rinne Rebirth he still had every power he gained when he was a transmigrant so logic would dictate the only thing that is temporary is the sight as in eventually he(kakashi) will go blind

      also i might add that kakashi has been known for his sharingan so kishimoto will likely have had this something that doesn't go away

      No, he didn't. That's literally your opnion. We don't know if he transfered eyes again, or if we actually awakended them. We.don't.know. For you to sit here and try to write cannon is idioctic just becuase you *think* you know what happenend. Also, just because you may not get your way Kishi is mentally challenged? That's the most idiotic thing I've ever hearf calling someone mentally challenged because you don't get your way. We don't always get what we want, and just because one jutsu (a totally different one used by orochimaru) is permanent, doesn't mean thereafter every single chakra transfer jutsu is permanent. You seem to forget the part where jutsu are different from each other. I have two markers sitting in front of me. One is a sharpie, it's permanent, does that automatically mean my crayola marker is permanent? I mean, they both are markers, right? There is nothing in cannon stating that chakra transfers are 100% permanent. Just becuase you a a theroy doesn't make it true. Yes, the chakra transfers we've seen have all been permanent. But that doesn't mean this one will be. Becuase.it's.not.cannon.that.all.chakra.transfers.are.permanent. Case point, who the hell knows if the sharingan will be permanent. But knowing Kishi, I'm sure they will be becuse he feels bad for sharinganless Kakashi. You *really* need to calm down.

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      Remember when 9-tails gave everyone on the battle feild a version one cloak? Was that permanent? Is everyone a pseudo-jinchuriki now? Or just anytime a tailed beast gives a human some of it's chakra?

      Yeah, @Actionmanrandell has this "I'm right, everyone else is wrong" mentality. That's why it's pretty much useless and a pain to argue with him. He just keeps coming and never goes away nor concedes nor admits he's wrong. He says a ton of things that contradict the manga, and now he's calling Kishi "mentally challenged." I don't think Kishi is the one "mentally challenged" here.

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    • None of them gained the kyuubi healing factor or the kyuubi eyes so that whole kyuubi cloak thing doesn't even have a place here. Obito did the same thing as Hagoromo enough said.

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    • Naruto has a power up

      Sasuke has a power up

      Kakashi has a power up

      Sakura has a.... Um guys what does Sakura have in comparison to these guys?

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    • Spyrocks wrote: Naruto has a power up

      Sasuke has a power up

      Kakashi has a power up

      Sakura has a.... Um guys what does Sakura have in comparison to these guys?

      She got a power-up, problem is it didn't push her to Godly Broken Levels. Being stronger and having more Chakra than the Hokages doesn't mean much when fighting a person like Kaguya.

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    • SazukeEX wrote:

      Spyrocks wrote: Naruto has a power up

      Sasuke has a power up

      Kakashi has a power up

      Sakura has a.... Um guys what does Sakura have in comparison to these guys?

      She got a power-up, problem is it didn't push her to Godly Broken Levels. Being stronger and having more Chakra than the Hokages doesn't mean much when fighting a person like Kaguya.

      Is it only just Naruto, sasuke and Kakashi getting the power ups?

      Or is Sakura gonna eat Black Zetsu?

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    • Spyrocks wrote:

      SazukeEX wrote:

      Spyrocks wrote: Naruto has a power up

      Sasuke has a power up

      Kakashi has a power up

      Sakura has a.... Um guys what does Sakura have in comparison to these guys?

      She got a power-up, problem is it didn't push her to Godly Broken Levels. Being stronger and having more Chakra than the Hokages doesn't mean much when fighting a person like Kaguya.

      Is it only just Naruto, sasuke and Kakashi getting the power ups?

      Or is Sakura gonna eat Black Zetsu?

      This made me laugh so hard XD

      Anyways. My theory is that Kakashi truly awakened the sharingan.

      See, Obito's original eyes crumbled to ash, all Kakashi got was chakra. If this is true, then the sharingan we're seeing came from Obito's chakra channeled through Kakashi's eyes.

      I just hope that the chakra integrated and Kakashi has two sharingan now heheh

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    • Everyone's talking about the potential of Kakashi turning blind but. . . Obito had his right Mangekyo Sharingan for like, 20 years yet showed no signs of blindness. Along with the worst happening to Kakashi was his left becoming a bit blurry if he used Kamui too much in rapid succession and then bleeding.

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    • Benknightprime wrote: I'm fairly certain that expire comment was relating to how the Mangekyou goes blind with usage, rather than the temporary thing. Granted I may be reading a bad translation.

      In Kakashi case, that comment about the Sharingan may expire is most likely referring to the fact that kakashi is a non-Uchiha. In the event that it did expire, he wouldn't go blind, he would just loss the ability to use the Sharingan. Knowing all this I think kakashi would start using a full blindfold to make it last longer, but because how uncool that maybe kishi might give him the ability to deactivate the Sharingan .

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    • Personally I think that Kakashi's right eye will expire, but not the left eye for some weird reason, and he'll end up with only the left eye like he used to be.

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    • Was he ever not the copy ninja? He was only referred as that for like 5 episodes tops.

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    • AsianReaper wrote:

      Spyrocks wrote:

      SazukeEX wrote:

      Spyrocks wrote: Naruto has a power up

      Sasuke has a power up

      Kakashi has a power up

      Sakura has a.... Um guys what does Sakura have in comparison to these guys?

      She got a power-up, problem is it didn't push her to Godly Broken Levels. Being stronger and having more Chakra than the Hokages doesn't mean much when fighting a person like Kaguya.

      Is it only just Naruto, sasuke and Kakashi getting the power ups?

      Or is Sakura gonna eat Black Zetsu?

      This made me laugh so hard XD

      Anyways. My theory is that Kakashi truly awakened the sharingan.

      See, Obito's original eyes crumbled to ash, all Kakashi got was chakra. If this is true, then the sharingan we're seeing came from Obito's chakra channeled through Kakashi's eyes.

      I just hope that the chakra integrated and Kakashi has two sharingan now heheh

      I honestly thought he was gonna pick Obitos eye ball out from his ashes.

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    • Let me ask a question:

      Why is Kakashi able to summon a COMPLETE Susanoo with two NORMAL Mangekyo Sharingan which he JUST received, and then why does he not show EYESTRAIN like Sasuke did when he only had normal Mangekyo, and especially since he and Obito have been SPAMMING THEIR MANGEKYO throughout all of Part II?

      Shouldn't those two Mangekyo be blind by now? -.-

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    • DerpyDoodle wrote: Let me ask a question:

      Why is Kakashi able to summon a COMPLETE Susanoo with two NORMAL Mangekyo Sharingan which he JUST received, and then why does he not show EYESTRAIN like Sasuke did when he only had normal Mangekyo, and especially since he and Obito have been SPAMMING THEIR MANGEKYO throughout all of Part II?

      Shouldn't those two Mangekyo be blind by now? -.-


      Well Kakashi has used the Sharingan for much longer than Sasuke has, even if it was just a normal Sharingan for most of the time, and Sasuke manifested the Perfect Susanoo in no time, plus didn't Itachi create a Susanoo with two Normal Mangekyo Sharingan, and arguably Kakashi is much more skilled than Itachi.

      Someone earlier said Obito basically turned Kakashi's normal eyes into copies of the original Kamui Sharingans. Which makes sense, since the real ones are gone, decimated, absolutely no longer material.

      But, after this unless Kakashi is like given extra chakra again he won't be able to sustain a Susanoo, at least a full Susanoo, considering he has average Chakra reserves and Uchiha supposedly have better than average Chakra reserves.


      I do want to see Kakashi's Susanoo to create a Lightning Release Rasengan though. Like have him in the middle using that while Naruto is doing one of his special Rasengans and Sasuke doing his special Chidori techniques.

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    • DerpyDoodle wrote: Shouldn't those two Mangekyo be blind by now? -.-

      Kakashi awakened the Mangekyo Sharingan in his own eyes due to Obito's chakra. Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan are gone.

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    • This is so complicated...

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    • Agreed ^ Kakashi only has the same design and techniques as Obito because it took Obito's chakra to awaken them in his eyes. They are Kakashi's Sharingan and Mangekyo Sharingan and his techniques, they are just the same as Obito's is all.

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    • Can we just stop spitting poop outta our mouths and let the author explain what happened rather than pretending we know what did?

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    • Elveonora wrote: Can we just stop spitting poop outta our mouths and let the author explain what happened rather than pretending we know what did?

      Interesting question

      Should we?

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    • Absolutely not. We're a fandom, not people in a waiting room.

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    • Victory9000 wrote: Absolutely not. We're a fandom, not people in a waiting room.

      Amen brother amen.

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    • Just saying, in the Narutoverse, although it's known that the Mangekyo Sharingan can cause blindness with overuse, but in Kakashi and Obito it's been sort of downplayed. I mean, Obito began using his Mangekyo long before Itachi did, and seriously, he's never mentioned going blind or his vision worsening. So really according to that I think when Obito said 'It might expire' it was just a simple afterthought, considering the context. He was like "After all you are Kakashi of the Sharingan, aren't you?" so if it just goes away that will just go back on everything he said.

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    • @Elveonora We don't know for sure if Sasuke and Naruto powers are permenant could be temporary. And @Hagoromo 1234 good point. Its not like Kakashi transplanted his eyes into Kakashi. Kakashi could just have gained his own Mangekyo Sharingan. As for perfect susanoo I don't know but it doesn't say you need EMS to awaken it. Honestly I wanted them to give Kakashi more chakra to see what the Kakashi without the sharingan could do but whatever. They made him useful that way.

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    • The EMS is just an MS that doesn't go blind. It isn't any stronger than the MS. As for Kakashi using Susanoo... I think Obito not only transferred his chakra to Kakashi's optic nerves, but I think he also increased Kakashi's chakra reserves by transferring all (or at least a big chunk) or his chakra to his friend.

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: The EMS is just an MS that doesn't go blind. It isn't any stronger than the MS. As for Kakashi using Susanoo... I think Obito not only transferred his chakra to Kakashi's optic nerves, but I think he also increased Kakashi's chakra reserves by transferring all (or at least a big chunk) or his chakra to his friend.

      Seems logical.

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    • But still, I was happy and all that Kakashi got both Sharingan but... the Susanoo? Too much. Just too much. I don't hate Kakashi for having it tho... but it was too much. I wanna see him use Kamui again soon... probably in conjunction with his Susanoo...

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    • WindStar7125 wrote: But still, I was happy and all that Kakashi got both Sharingan but... the Susanoo? Too much. Just too much. I don't hate Kakashi for having it tho... but it was too much. I wanna see him use Kamui again soon... probably in conjunction with his Susanoo...

      I guess I can agree with the susanoo thing. Kakashi could create a new jutsu that can go good with his MS. Like how he used lightning blade with conjuction of his sharingan but on a better level.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      WindStar7125 wrote: But still, I was happy and all that Kakashi got both Sharingan but... the Susanoo? Too much. Just too much. I don't hate Kakashi for having it tho... but it was too much. I wanna see him use Kamui again soon... probably in conjunction with his Susanoo...

      I guess I can agree with the susanoo thing. Kakashi could create a new jutsu that can go good with his MS. Like how he used lightning blade with conjuction of his sharingan but on a better level.

      Maybe even amplify his lightning through Susanoo like Sasuke does Blaze Release with his.

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    • perhaps the best thing about his susanoo is that it looks like (atleast to me) it has a scar over it's left eye just like kakashi.

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    • Darhumphump wrote: perhaps the best thing about his susanoo is that it looks like (atleast to me) it has a scar over it's left eye just like kakashi.

      There is a scar over its left eye.

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    • This is what obito said exactly, he said that it may vanish but it definetly wont be useless.

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    • Munchvtec wrote: This is what obito said exactly, he said that it may vanish but it definetly wont be useless.

      I think what Obito meant by "vanish" or "expire" is that both eyes may go blind if Kakashi overuses them.

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    • im pretty sure what he said was common sense, he said they may expire meaning the power not the eye but we'll see later though.

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      • Still mindblown over how epic Kakashi just became*
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    • I just can't wait to find out what the colored version of Kakashi's susanoo looks like, although it doesn't seem like it's shaded correctly i wish it would be silver or something like that, but it looks alot like Sasuke's as a dark purple or maybe Blue like Madara's

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    • Darhumphump wrote: I just can't wait to find out what the colored version of Kakashi's susanoo looks like, although it doesn't seem like it's shaded correctly i wish it would be silver or something like that, but it looks alot like Sasuke's as a dark purple or maybe Blue like Madara's

      I was thinking it's gonna be either gray or completely black. I wish it was green, but Shisui "Everyone Loves Me Even Though I've Only Gotten 6 Minutes of Total Screentime" Uchiha has that one in the upcoming game.

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    • it will probably be a shade of white, as it was shown and hinted than Kakashi and his dad had white chakra hence they could use the white chakra sword.. they could channel their chakra though the blade and it was always called white. So I am going to assume it will be either a gray colored susanoo or a whitish one.

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    • If I remember correctly Susanoos are based on the owner's chakra colour, which is normally unable to be seen unless it's amazingly powerful like Zabuza. I don't think it was explicitly said that the reason why Sakumo and Kakashi's blade gave off a white streak when swung, but seeing as it's a family heirloom it's seems reasonable it gets the white from that particular family's chakra, assuming that chakra colour can be passed down through genetics.

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    • If the special Hatake blade is any indication, Kakashi's chakra is white.

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    • Victory9000 wrote: If I remember correctly Susanoos are based on the owner's chakra colour, which is normally unable to be seen unless it's amazingly powerful like Zabuza. I don't think it was explicitly said that the reason why Sakumo and Kakashi's blade gave off a white streak when swung, but seeing as it's a family heirloom it's seems reasonable it gets the white from that particular family's chakra, assuming that chakra colour can be passed down through genetics.

      People who are related do share similar chakra, so it very well could be some shade of gray/white.

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    • Random curveball; Is Itachi's Susano'o red or yellow? Cause before he stabilises it it's yellow, but after stabilisation it's the classic red. It's kinda doing my head in.

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    • I have a theory as well. When Obito "died" the first time, when they were kids and Obito gave Kakashi his eye.

      Is there a slight chance that after having it for that long in his system, it still had Obito's Uchiha cells in it?

      And those cells might have moulded with his own and maybe that's why he could awaken the Mangekyo the first time after killing Rin, and awakening the Susasno'o because he has Uchiha DNA?

      You have no idea how much I've thought about that.

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    • ShiftyTwin wrote: Is there a slight chance that after having it for that long in his system, it still had Obito's Uchiha cells in it?

      If what was trasplanted were cells, I'd agree with you. But all Kakashi got was an eye and optic nerves. No chance of cell contamination like what happened with Hashirama's cells and Orochimaru's (Kabuto). Also, when Kakashi killed Rin, he and Obito developed the Mangekyo in the same moment, which hints at a connection between them that allowed Obito's "special chakra" (which is produced by Uchiha brains in moments of mental strain and despair) to go to Kakashi's eye and allow it to evolve further.
      The reason Kakashi could achieve Susanoo is because Obito apparently transferred all his ocular abilities to him, like what Itachi did to Sasuke but to a far greater extent.

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    • But the eyes and nerves themselves would have his DNA in them regardless.

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    • So? Eye transplant doesn't alter your DNA.

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    • ShiftyTwin wrote: Random curveball; Is Itachi's Susano'o red or yellow? Cause before he stabilises it it's yellow, but after stabilisation it's the classic red. It's kinda doing my head in.

      Canonically it's yellow. The anime made it red and then later adjusted it to red-orange.

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    • No, kind of like a kidney or heart transplant would change your DNA.

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    • No transplant changes your DNA.

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    • Typo. I meant to say "Wouldn't" before. My bad.

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    • I think Kakashi's right eye might go back to normal eventually, but his left eye's so used to the Sharigan chakra that it might just adapt or something. Just a theory.

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    • Technically, his left eye never had the Sharingan to begin with. It was always Obito's. But considering that Kakashi grew up and developed with the said eye, even awakening the Mangekyo form, it does stand to reason that he might have integrated some of his essence. Danzo, who also had a "borrowed" Sharingan, couldn't maintain a single eye for very long with each usage, ultimately needing to get a new one periodically. Kakashi's however never showed any signs of permanent damage.

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    • Steveo920 wrote: Technically, his left eye never had the Sharingan to begin with. It was always Obito's. But considering that Kakashi grew up and developed with the said eye, even awakening the Mangekyo form, it does stand to reason that he might have integrated some of his essence. Danzo, who also had a "borrowed" Sharingan, couldn't maintain a single eye for very long with each usage, ultimately needing to get a new one periodically. Kakashi's however never showed any signs of permanent damage.

      All that is true, Kakashi lost his left eye in the same incident where he got the scar. And it stands to reason that the more you own a sharingan it gets more used to you, because Kakashi has had his Sharingan long before Danzo got his from the Uchiha Massacre.

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    • Victory9000 wrote:

      Steveo920 wrote: Technically, his left eye never had the Sharingan to begin with. It was always Obito's. But considering that Kakashi grew up and developed with the said eye, even awakening the Mangekyo form, it does stand to reason that he might have integrated some of his essence. Danzo, who also had a "borrowed" Sharingan, couldn't maintain a single eye for very long with each usage, ultimately needing to get a new one periodically. Kakashi's however never showed any signs of permanent damage.

      All that is true, Kakashi lost his left eye in the same incident where he got the scar. And it stands to reason that the more you own a sharingan it gets more used to you, because Kakashi has had his Sharingan long before Danzo got his from the Uchiha Massacre.

      In filler it was shown that Danzo had a Sharingan in his right eye long enough to be good at Izanagi before he took Shisui's. However, it also needed a replacement in the same arc, and in the manga it was shown that his Sharingan looked unhealthy and weak during the Kage Summit Arc. But as you said, Kakashi never showed any of these problems, so maybe he's a special case.

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    • Elveonora wrote: So? Eye transplant doesn't alter your DNA.

      I never said it would ALTER his DNA completely, it might just add a tiny bit of it to his own.

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    • NeedleJizo wrote: I think Kakashi's right eye might go back to normal eventually, but his left eye's so used to the Sharigan chakra that it might just adapt or something. Just a theory.

      That's exactly what I mean.

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    • I will say this. It is really going to be mean of the writers to take Kakashi's Sharingan away so suddenly and then get it back, better than ever, only to quickly lose it all again, especially for Kakashi-fans. Hopefully, the won't be toying with us and let Kakashi keep this new power and not create a flaw like making him stay completely blindfolded when not using it.

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    • And that is the problem. The author shouldn't have done and shouldn't do something simply "for fans"

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    • I agree. Either take the Sharingan away for good the FIRST time and leave it at that or let Kakashi keep these new abilities. They shouldn't put fans in such an unfair rollercoaster of emotions only for it to end badly.

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    • To be fair it is just a story so fans shouldn't get all worked up over what happens but i also agree. I don't really agree with kishimoto on some things but its his story not ours.

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    • This time Kakashi awakened the Sharingan in his own eyes, so he should be able to deactivate it.

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    • Here's hoping

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    • That settles it fans need to revoke against Kishimoto and claim Naruto for their own.

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    • Yeah. I really doubt in the final stages of the 15-year long, majorly popular series, Kishimoto is going to give anything up. At most however, fans might be able to beg him to keep Kakashi as renewed Copy Ninja.

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    • So, here's the issue I have: Why are they new eyes? I mean, sure, they are new manifestations, yeah, but look at them! It bugs me when people's say 'Kakashi's Sharingan' a little (not much, but a little) because, to me, they just look like Obito's Mangekyo again. Just a terminology gripe.

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    • Well they are Kakashi's eyes, so they are his Sharingan, but they are essentially just recreations of Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan since it was Obito's chakra that fueled the process to create these Sharingan, it's fine to call the Obito's or Kakashi's.

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    • Mrlmm0605 wrote: So, here's the issue I have: Why are they new eyes? I mean, sure, they are new manifestations, yeah, but look at them! It bugs me when people's say 'Kakashi's Sharingan' a little (not much, but a little) because, to me, they just look like Obito's Mangekyo again. Just a terminology gripe.

      It's like this. They are Obito's MS manifested in another person's eyes.

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    • Steveo920 wrote: Yeah. I really doubt in the final stages of the 15-year long, majorly popular series, Kishimoto is going to give anything up. At most however, fans might be able to beg him to keep Kakashi as renewed Copy Ninja.

      What if I ask nicely?

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    • Asfjnm wrote:

      Steveo920 wrote: Yeah. I really doubt in the final stages of the 15-year long, majorly popular series, Kishimoto is going to give anything up. At most however, fans might be able to beg him to keep Kakashi as renewed Copy Ninja.

      What if I ask nicely?

      Well, you can try, but I doubt Kishi will ever hear/read your request.

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    • JOA20 wrote:

      Asfjnm wrote:

      Steveo920 wrote: Yeah. I really doubt in the final stages of the 15-year long, majorly popular series, Kishimoto is going to give anything up. At most however, fans might be able to beg him to keep Kakashi as renewed Copy Ninja.

      What if I ask nicely?

      Well, you can try, but I doubt Kishi will ever hear/read your request.

      Well he hasnt tried my homemade store bought pie yet, it can persuade any man

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    • I was just thinking...when Obito said that it might only be temporary...maybe he wasn't necessarily talking about the Sharingan itself? Maybe he was referring to Susanoo, or the right Mangekyo?

      It doesn't seem likely that Kakashi would be able to keep up a stabilized Susanoo for as long as Sasuke would, considering he just manifested it literally seconds ago. So maybe that's what Obito's saying won't be permanent.

      Or, as I mentioned before, maybe Kakashi's left eye is so used to the Sharingan that it might able to stick around, but his right eye will go back to normal eventually.

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    • I didn't think of Obito referring to the Susanoo, it makes sense if Kakashi keeps at least one Sharingan, considering there's the little narration at the end with the "This eye will copy the future" stuff. We see Obito gave Kakashi the necessary chakra to create two Sharingan, and we know Uchiha have better chakra reserves than the average, so it's logical that all Kakashi needs to keep up a Susanoo is more chakra, the Sharingan however he doesn't need the same amount as chakra to keep, and the Sharingan are material while the Susanoo is literally made of chakra. I can definitelly see it be the Susanoo not being used normally.

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    • Victory9000 wrote: it's logical that all Kakashi needs to keep up a Susanoo is more chakra, the Sharingan however he doesn't need the same amount as chakra to keep, and the Sharingan are material while the Susanoo is literally made of chakra. I can definitelly see it be the Susanoo not being used normally.

      Well said! I agree

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