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Kamui Anomaly

  • There is really something wrong on how Kamui interacts with Juubi's Jinchuriki body. Way back in Chapter 643, it was noted that by being the ten-tails jinchuriki, Obito can no longer use his Kamui to travel through his pocket dimension nor to become intangible. But in Chapter 674 and 675, Madara was able to use Kamui (by stealing Kakashi's sharingan) despite being a jinchuriki of the ten-tails.

    Could someone please explain this.

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    • Seriously, whole Kamui never really made any sense to me to begin with.

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    • While I still think it's "just because otherwise Obito would've been undefeatable", I think I can try to explain it. Madara could "teleport". Obito couldn't "get intangible". While it's true that Obito's intangibility is based on "teleporting to the other dimension only parts of his body that would otherwise be hit in the real world", it may be that as the Ten-Tails jinchuriki, the power in his body was way too much to be split between dimensions, and as such Obito was unable to get intangible.

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    • ^This. He was unable to let things slip through. Full body self-teleportation was still possible.

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    • Kamui is still a technique. I always figured it was just a matter of skill. Kakashi never managed to become intangible. Obito couldn't phase as the ten-tails. Just a matter of skill. Plus it fits. Madara is the Ur-Uchiha, the reincarnation of Indra, and the puppet of the grandmother of all ninjutsu. If anyone would have the skill and knowledge to pull off a trick above the original owner it'd be him.

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    • I would also argue that it IS possible that Black Zetsu contributed to the opening of the portal. He too had access to a Kamui-capable Sharingan, and doing so would only further his goal of enabling Madara to resurrect Kaguya.

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    • The only issue with that is it would have given Black Zetsu away. He spent years pretending to be Madara's Will. Which makes it seem unlikely he could use abilities not avalible to Madara or a Senju Wood clone body, without arousing Madara's suspicions..

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    • Yalocalsupahero wrote: Kamui is still a technique. I always figured it was just a matter of skill. Kakashi never managed to become intangible.

      The reason Kakashi couldn't become intangible is because it's not possible with Obito's left eye. Intangibility is unique to the right eye, just like long-range teleportation is unique to the left eye.

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    • JOA20 wrote:

      Yalocalsupahero wrote: Kamui is still a technique. I always figured it was just a matter of skill. Kakashi never managed to become intangible.

      The reason Kakashi couldn't become intangible is because it's not possible with Obito's left eye. Intangibility is unique to the right eye, just like long-range teleportation is unique to the left eye.

      The real question is how absolute is the knowledge of the characters. Consider the Impure World Ressurection, If you had asked Tobirama what the limits of the technique were he'd give a much more limited version than Kabuto. Who had no clue it was possible to for a summoned soul to break his control, I.E. Madara. I guess my point is with all the surprise twists I prefer to keep my mind open, so I don't suffer Kishi Shock.

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    • Yalocalsupahero wrote: The only issue with that is it would have given Black Zetsu away. He spent years pretending to be Madara's Will. Which makes it seem unlikely he could use abilities not avalible to Madara or a Senju Wood clone body, without arousing Madara's suspicions..

      Zetsu knew about the powers of Kamui, specifically the whole portal thing. Madara knew about it too, and knew about Zetsu-Obito possessing the other eye. Zetsu opening the portal would therefore not be unexpected, nor would it surprise Madara. In fact, it would logically seem to suit Madara's purposes, so the Uchiha wouldn't think twice.

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    • Unlikely. When Madara teleported to Obito's dimension, we can see Obito's right Sharingan and it was not in its Mangekyo form, not to mention that Zetsu and Madara couldn't synchronise their actions since they were in different dimensions.

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    • JOA20 wrote: Unlikely. When Madara teleported to Obito's dimension, we can see Obito's right Sharingan and it was not in its Mangekyo form, not to mention that Zetsu and Madara couldn't synchronise their actions since they were in different dimensions.

      Obito's Sharingan has NEVER been in Mangekyo when using Kamui, save these past few chapters. Part of the whole Tobi is Obito twist. Also, Zetsu and Madara had been in sync over very significant distances prior to this, such as when Black Zetsu was called to the battlefield in the first place. Chakra is still detectable in the dimension, or else the others wouldn't have commented on the lack of chakra detectability from Kaguya's dimensions. It is possible that Zetsu, who was passing as a manifestation of Madara's will, was able to read his intensions in much the same way as Pain controlled his corpses through his chakra receivers. It is totally possible that Zetsu could have feigned obedience and opened a portal.

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    • Mrlmm0605 wrote: Obito's Sharingan has NEVER been in Mangekyo when using Kamui, save these past few chapters.

      Obito's Sharingan has never been CLEARLY shown when he was using Kamui until some chapters ago. It's just like when Obito fought Konan: there was this one panel where his eye was shown up-close while using Kamui and yet it was obscured, to hide the truth from the readers. Everytime Obito used Kamui in the manga, he always had the Mangekyo active.

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    • JOA20 wrote:

      Obito's Sharingan has never been CLEARLY shown when he was using Kamui until some chapters ago. It's just like when Obito fought Konan: there was this one panel where his eye was shown up-close while using Kamui and yet it was obscured, to hide the truth from the readers. Everytime Obito used Kamui in the manga, he always had the Mangekyo active.

      Maybe. No clear image makes me suspicious. What we do know is that post-Kamui shots have shown plain ol' Sharingan, even almost immediately after use. The only time we've seen a clear maintenance of the Mangekyo is post-unmasking, when Obito jumps from Kamui to Kamui in seconds. I peronally think this 'deactivate after use' plan is how Obito feigned EMS for so long.

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