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  • A lot of people have been asking and wondering about the castle that can be seen on the side of the mountain in the background, which has a balcony a lot like the one seen in the picture on Kaguya's personal wiki page where she is seen manipulating the lightning, because of this and her title as "Princess" I believe that that castle is her personal domicile, leading further to the question that Kakashi wonders if she moved them to a different dimension, which I believe means that Kaguya, Hamura, and Hagoromo are all from this separate dimension, indicated by the strange other-worldly chakra monsters (tailed beasts) that inhabited the dimension and then moved to Earth, and the strange "Rabbit Ears" they all (presumably Hamura included) have.

    I believe that they are of a different dimension and Kaguya then created Earth and was using it like a "The Sims" where she has complete control over everything that happened on it.

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    • This would actually explain Obito's "Hagoromo used Sword of Nunoboko to shape the world"

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    • Yeah, man, that too!

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    • I wouldn't put it past Kaguya to have transported them to her homeland.

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    • it would make sense, the old world may have been so destroyed by all the wars that happened during that time that she had to create a whole new world which is now where the Naruto series takes place, what she calls her "nursery."

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    • Kaguya clearly teleported them to the Dragon Continent. That castle sitting near the volcano? That's the Ox King's home.

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    • I always wonder why people always jump to guessing before they have any info on something.

      We have seen what 1 far off picture of the castle? And that is enough to let you draw a conclusion to what she is (which ends up being of all things a question).

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    • Speculation is fun, he wouldn't have added the castle into the background if he didn't want people to see it and guess what it was.

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    • I am not saying down speculate. I am saying one picture is not enough to draw anytype of speculation from.

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    • i'm not just using one picture to speculate upon, i'm compiling multiple pictures and sources of information and speculating their possible connections to extrapolate a possible theory.

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    • If Kaguya had created the Earth, where was the Shinju? How could she "come to (this) world from a far away place" to eat its fruit? And then, after gaining her powers she created the Earth? I'm not against this idea, but I'm having trouble making sense of it.

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    • Artofcreation wrote: If Kaguya had created the Earth, where was the Shinju? How could she "come to (this) world from a far away place" to eat its fruit? And then, after gaining her powers she created the Earth? I'm not against this idea, but I'm having trouble making sense of it.

      I was thinking the shinju was in the other dimension which was ravaged and destroyed by wars, she ate the fruit, stopped the wars, created a new "perfect" world which she was in control of, and now here we are years and years later.

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    • Thats a nice theory, except for the part where Kaguya created the earth, that seems a bit too much even by her standards

      But, i really hope that this is not the case, cause it would be a shame to see a ninja anime getting an otherworldly being as the final villain

      Kishi should stick to Ninja's and existing concepts, or new concepts based off on the old ones

      That is why i think Madara/Obito/kabuto were good villains since they all started as Ninjas and got otherworldly powers

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    • The Winter King wrote: Thats a nice theory, except for the part where Kaguya created the earth, that seems a bit too much even by her standards

      But, i really hope that this is not the case, cause it would be a shame to see a ninja anime getting an otherworldly being as the final villain

      Kishi should stick to Ninja's and existing concepts, or new concepts based off on the old ones

      That is why i think Madara/Obito/kabuto were good villains since they all started as Ninjas and got otherworldly powers

      Well I mean Hagoromo created the moon? Why is it that implausible that his mother made the Earth? And I also don't know how I feel about it, I also liked Madara/Obito/Kabuto for the same reason.

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    • Darhumphump wrote:

      Well I mean Hagoromo created the moon? Why is it that implausible that his mother made the Earth? And I also don't know how I feel about it, I also liked Madara/Obito/Kabuto for the same reason.

      Chibaku Tensei uses the rocks from earth to create the satellite, where did she find the raw materials to make the earth if she was indeed the creator

      And besides the difference in power is unknown between them, the sage said she was stronger, but how much is still unknown, it is safe to say prime hamura+prime sage= kaguya, since there is a strong possibility that she was beaten by her own sons. So if thats the case then there is no way she has the power to create the earth

      Just because her son made the moon on his death bed doesn't mean you can hype her to a point where she creates the earth. If thats the case then we might as well say Daddy Otsotsuki created the sun and grandaddy created the solar system.

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    • Her flashback panel of Hagoromo in chapter 680 seems to hint it was him who ended her reign and most likely killed/sealed her and it had to be after he became the Jinchuriki because he had the truth seeking orbs and the staff made from them,so maybe she was stronger than him and Hamura before Hagoromo became the Juubi Jinchuriki but most likely she was not after he did.

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    • Nothing seems plausible if you pick it apart at the micro-level that you wish to now, but I'll bite. Saying that "Daddy Otsotsuku created the sun and grandaddy created the solar system" is nothing like saying she created the Earth, not even in a joking manner, because she literally calls it her "Nursery," and if while Hagoromo was dying he could make a moon then why is it so implausible that when she was in her zenith prime her magnum opus couldn't have been to create the Earth out of the materials of her destroyed planet? You're pulling apart my ideas saying I don't know what the differences in power are while you're using a dying Hagoromo to compare to an in-her-prime Kaguya.

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    • ItachiWasAHero wrote: Her flashback panel of Hagoromo in chapter 680 seems to hint it was him who ended her reign and most likely killed/sealed her and it had to be after he became the Jinchuriki because he had the truth seeking orbs and the staff made from them,so maybe she was stronger than him and Hamura before Hagoromo became the Juubi Jinchuriki but most likely she was not after he did.

      Hey thats plausible, nice theory mate

      I do wonder what happened to Hamura though

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    • Darhumphump wrote:

      Nothing seems plausible if you pick it apart at the micro-level that you wish to now, but I'll bite. Saying that "Daddy Otsotsuku created the sun and grandaddy created the solar system" is nothing like saying she created the Earth, not even in a joking manner, because she literally calls it her "Nursery," and if while Hagoromo was dying he could make a moon then why is it so implausible that when she was in her zenith prime her magnum opus couldn't have been to create the Earth out of the materials of her destroyed planet? You're pulling apart my ideas saying I don't know what the differences in power are while you're using a dying Hagoromo to compare to an in-her-prime Kaguya.

      My points lie with the fact that she doesn't possess the power nor the raw materials to create the earth.

      I dont wish to debate any further seeing neither you nor I possess enough evidence to back our claims, all we have to go on are the feats of a near death Hagoromo who was the ten tails jinchuriki when he did all that, and Hagoromo's words which explicitly stated his Mother was stronger than him. How much stronger? that none of us know

      Even if she could conjure up enough power to perform a chibaku tensei of that scale (which i doubt she could) since all her power levels are based on hype, i am still puzzled about the raw materials thing, and i dont want to even consider the possibility of her being an alien or an extra-dimensional being since that ruins the series on so many levels

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    • Bump. Guess I was one of those people asking about the castle, so I appreciate this thread Darhumphump -- although, I don't have much to offer besides questions. I originally asked on the chapter discussion thread: Is this possibly where she's been staying/hiding all this time?

      Now, with this recent business of Kaguya and the Ten Tails being the same being (or rather, two sides of the same coin), this seems unlikely. If Kaguya was the Ten Tails or inside it then she would have simply been “gone” this entire time until her revival, instead of hiding out in this other realm.

      So that begs another question. If it's not her long-term vacation home, then what is it? I think her home world, maybe, or possibly her evil lair from which she ruled the lands. Who knows? But it would be wonderful to see Kishi indulge more detail about this place, as it would reveal more about the mysterious tree lady.

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    • Artofcreation wrote: Bump. Guess I was one of those people asking about the castle, so I appreciate this thread Darhumphump -- although, I don't have much to offer besides questions. I originally asked on the chapter discussion thread: Is this possibly where she's been staying/hiding all this time?

      Now, with this recent business of Kaguya and the Ten Tails being the same being (or rather, two sides of the same coin), this seems unlikely. If Kaguya was the Ten Tails or inside it then she would have simply been “gone” this entire time until her revival, instead of hiding out in this other realm.

      So that begs another question. If it's not her long-term vacation home, then what is it? I think her home world, maybe, or possibly her evil lair from which she ruled the lands. Who knows? But it would be wonderful to see Kishi indulge more detail about this place, as it would reveal more about the mysterious tree lady.

      I liked it back when things were close to Ninjas, now we are moving on to other worldly beings. Then what, alien invaders from krypton?!!

      The manga's standards have fallen by a lot

      Things were better off with Madara (no matter how much people hate him) he was the perfect villain second only to kabuto in my opinion.

      I dont mean in terms of awesomeness, but rather their purpose, both of them were victims of the shinobi world and they deserved to be final villains.

      Now we have an old hag who lives in some other dimension in a castle next to a volcano.

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    • The Winter King wrote: Now we have an old hag who lives in some other dimension in a castle next to a volcano.

      lol Pretty much, but if Kishimoto can do any justice, he will hopefully give her some extravagant backstory.

      What you said about "being closer to ninjas" is exactly how I feel about Kaguya as a villain. She is just way too mythological and way too old (regarding her place in Naruto history). Madara, on the other hand, was a nice balance between history/legend and the familiar, everyday Naruto. So Kaguya has me a little homesick, since a more "down-to-earth" ending was expected.

      On the other hand, it's not entirely bad. To attain an extraordinary climax calls for extraordinary circumstances. We now have a virtually omnipotent goddess that can travel through rifts in spacetime. So, if you want your "Final Boss battle" to be as epic as possible, well Kishimoto has delivered... in all aspects: OP protagonists, ridiculously OP enemy, and a crazy setting. Who ever once thought the finale for Naruto would entail a (presumably) different dimension containing a fairytale-esque castle mounted in a hellish volcano?

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