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  • You see, i have considered that some nature transformations are not actually two mixed nature transfromations, such as blaze and magnet release. I consider that magnet release is something more like a refined/evolved form of lightning release, as there is electromagnetism. Blaze release, as it is incorporated with Amaterasu, the highest level fire release technique, isn't it somehow logical that blaze release is more like an evolved variant of fire release. This is just my opinion though, and i'm just saying. What do you people think?

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    • One thing for sure, im glad that's is not like a power up transformation, that DBZ does a lot.

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    • I doubt that. Until such a concept of powered-up single natures being advanced is introduced, then all advanced natures are dual or triple combinations.

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    • yeah maybe but i think that earth + water= wood is stupid

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    • Elveonora wrote: I doubt that. Until such a concept of powered-up single natures being advanced is introduced, then all advanced natures are dual or triple combinations.

      Well, if we would think of it as two or more natures, i would say that yin release could be the other nature, as it could be used as a means to empower the original technique, and also the reference to the material world and light on the Amaterasu page could refer loosely to yin release having something to do with it. But this is unsure, as i don't know if this would be possible.
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    • earth+water=mud/swamp

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    • What most people don't get no matter what is that the natures in fact don't create actual substances, but energies. Earth Release doesn't create dirt and water release doesn't create H2O. So mud wouldn't make sense either.

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    • Elveonora wrote: What most people don't get no matter what is that the natures in fact don't create actual substances, but energies. Earth Release doesn't create dirt and water release doesn't create H2O. So mud wouldn't make sense either.

      And what about Wood Release? Ice Release even? I believe Konoha was both built and restored using Mokuton, by Yamato and Hashirama.

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    • And that in itself doesn't make sense considering that we have seen effects of techniques regressing after a while they are cast. But it was stated, so shrugs.

      Wood Release indeed doesn't make sense, my point was that Mud Release wouldn't either. I suppose it creates some sort of life energy, but the wood coming out of the user's body is unexplained. Ice Release kinda makes sense. since there's water and gasses along with particles in the air. But how come it has a freezing capability is a mystery ._. perhaps Yuki Clan members ate lots of Mentos :) and imo Crystal Release would have made more sense.

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    • Lol. I was thinking of Crystal release too. Turning one's body into wood was explained, I think. By converting one's cells into wood, or something along those lines.

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    • I mean how does one get real wood from energies of "water" and "earth" that aren't even actual water and earth?

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    • Doesn't Wood Release involve turning the user's own chakra into life energy?

      If that's the case, then I think Water and Earth would make sense. Fire, Lightning, or Wind wouldn't.

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    • @Elveonora Well, it's probably best not to assume that we have been told everything about chakra, its nature, and the chakra natures themselves. Look at chakra flow vs. elemental ninjutsu. For example, Earth Release: Earth Spear. While being used as ninjutsu, It's still technically simple chakra flow. The properties of earth (it's hardening capabilities) is different from the manifestation of earth that we see in a technique like the earth wall.

      It's best to assume that there is more to chakra then simple manifestation of the elements. I wouldnt be surprised if water chakra flow resulted in one's sword being able to change shape or something along those lines.

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    • i think we have to view wood release on a more 'conceptual' level: Chakra is given the properties of both substance and mass (earth) as well as fluidity and moldability (water) at the same time, making it possible to create constructs which are tangible but can also be shaped in many different ways (in the form of timber like yamato uses it). Hashiramas use seems to also involve actual 'wood-cells', meaning they have plant DNA. He can probably make those parts of tissues in his body grow by infusing water and earth chakra into them, which act as nutrients for the plant cells.

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    • That was my point, it's mystery from where actual plant dna/cells comes from lol.

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    • Can't we all agree that it's ninja magic?

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    • The only explanation I can think of is that Hashirama had plantish DNA.

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    • Elveonora wrote: The only explanation I can think of is that Hashirama had plantish DNA.

      Something like the koga ninja scrolls(the inspiration for dojutsu), where they used selective breeding? Or then it's something like the aburame clan hiden, only with plants.

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    • well we could assume that plant DNA stems from Jubi which is essentially a living tree. Initial form of Chakra = having energy from Shinju-fruit inside oneself, Jubi = Natural energy, so the effect could originally be something like a sage transformation? (kaguyas and hagoromos horns, white skin, chakra cloak and dojutsu). in the next generation, the power split into two (yin and yang): asura = 'body' of jubi (wood release + senjutsu), indra = 'eyes' of Jubi (rinnegan/sharingan + maybe byakugan)

      or hashirama was just a plant mutant from eating too much vegetables :P

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    • Sgt.Grincube wrote: You see, i have considered that some nature transformations are not actually two mixed nature transfromations, such as blaze and magnet release. I consider that magnet release is something more like a refined/evolved form of lightning release, as there is electromagnetism. Blaze release, as it is incorporated with Amaterasu, the highest level fire release technique, isn't it somehow logical that blaze release is more like an evolved variant of fire release. This is just my opinion though, and i'm just saying. What do you people think?

      Well blaze release isn't really a combination of any two nature transformations. It's more of a refined version of the Amaterasu, that is mainly an extremely high-level fire nature combined with shape manipulation. So your point might be valid, particularly with magnet release, because they do say that electricity and magnetism are related.

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    • heres my theory on the advanced natures we dont know about, magnet blaze and explosion (note its my opinion so may not be true but hey theory) what we do know about advanced chakra natures is there the combination of two nature transformations (with the exception of kekkei tota) and seeing lightning and wind dont have a combination that we know of. so for explosion release it could be earth and lightning like with deidara he has explosion release and earth release so its possible lightning could be the second nature to make explosion release plus it makes more sense to me then say earth and wind (which could be an entirely new nature that wasnt shown). with Magnet it could be lightning and wind. lightning definitely but for wind? that can be a bit of a stretch but it seems more plausible then earth and lightning. as for blaze yes it is just amaterasu but then why is it a release? a theory could be fire plus yin release or maybe fire and lightning release? fire and lightning given sasukes chakra natures that he has but heres a another theory maybe perhaps its a new kekkei tota? combining fire yin and lightning to make blaze? anyway thats my theory hope you enjoyed it :D

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    • Dracoblaze58 wrote: heres my theory on the advanced natures we dont know about, magnet blaze and explosion (note its my opinion so may not be true but hey theory) what we do know about advanced chakra natures is there the combination of two nature transformations (with the exception of kekkei tota) and seeing lightning and wind dont have a combination that we know of. so for explosion release it could be earth and lightning like with deidara he has explosion release and earth release so its possible lightning could be the second nature to make explosion release plus it makes more sense to me then say earth and wind (which could be an entirely new nature that wasnt shown). with Magnet it could be lightning and wind. lightning definitely but for wind? that can be a bit of a stretch but it seems more plausible then earth and lightning. as for blaze yes it is just amaterasu but then why is it a release? a theory could be fire plus yin release or maybe fire and lightning release? fire and lightning given sasukes chakra natures that he has but heres a another theory maybe perhaps its a new kekkei tota? combining fire yin and lightning to make blaze? anyway thats my theory hope you enjoyed it :D

      I can agree with your theory for blaze release, as amaterasu is said to represent the material world and light, which could be linked to the use of yin release(the kekkei tota idea isn't bad either). My opinion is still that magnet release is merely an advanced variant of the basic lightning release. I don't know about explosion release, but it probably has something to do with lightning release.

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    • Elveonora wrote: The only explanation I can think of is that Hashirama had plantish DNA.

      What if Hashirama's dad Butsuma found out how to do it with a tree?

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    • Sgt.Grincube wrote:

      Dracoblaze58 wrote: heres my theory on the advanced natures we dont know about, magnet blaze and explosion (note its my opinion so may not be true but hey theory) what we do know about advanced chakra natures is there the combination of two nature transformations (with the exception of kekkei tota) and seeing lightning and wind dont have a combination that we know of. so for explosion release it could be earth and lightning like with deidara he has explosion release and earth release so its possible lightning could be the second nature to make explosion release plus it makes more sense to me then say earth and wind (which could be an entirely new nature that wasnt shown). with Magnet it could be lightning and wind. lightning definitely but for wind? that can be a bit of a stretch but it seems more plausible then earth and lightning. as for blaze yes it is just amaterasu but then why is it a release? a theory could be fire plus yin release or maybe fire and lightning release? fire and lightning given sasukes chakra natures that he has but heres a another theory maybe perhaps its a new kekkei tota? combining fire yin and lightning to make blaze? anyway thats my theory hope you enjoyed it :D

      I can agree with your theory for blaze release, as amaterasu is said to represent the material world and light, which could be linked to the use of yin release(the kekkei tota idea isn't bad either). My opinion is still that magnet release is merely an advanced variant of the basic lightning release. I don't know about explosion release, but it probably has something to do with lightning release.

      true with the explosion release. while magnet release could be lightning release its just like blaze release if it was lightning why is it not just called lightning release? and it has been stated to be a kekkei genkai but i do agree with you that lightning release does make up magnet release. its like scorch release even though at the time we didnt know what natures it made up we did feel that fire would make it up. and as for blaze release yeah i can imagine that especially the kekkei tota idea since amaterasu is avalible only to mangekyou sharingan uchiha clan members and we have seen that kekkei tota can be taught example would be mu and onoki however there is a hole in my kekkei tota theory sadly. if it was a kekkei tota then then it wouldnt be uchiha clan exclusive which it is

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    • I agree with Dracoblaze58 on the magnet style theory (lightning and wind) I think it makes more sense. From a biological standpoint fierce solar winds can affect Earths magnetic fields, as lightning is known to hit the earth more frequently during such conditions. I have done research on this phenomena so this is probably what the author was referring to? Although this is just a plausible theory. I also think that blaze release is just an advance form of fire style using Amaterasu.

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    • Lightning+Earth = Magnet makes more sense imo, although Shukaku already has Wind, so shrugs.

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