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Kaguya Destructive Capacity?

  • I say planet level.

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    • No doubt, chakra greater than the shinju? Oh yeah.

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    • Lol

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    • well i mean, she ate the entirety of the shinju's strength when she devoured the fruit. The ten tails was basically naked power wise when we saw it. All the power was in the fruit which kaguya ate.

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    • If she wanted to destroy the planet, she could have.

      But in my opinion, Kaguya is beyond that. The Shinju is a force of nature. Kaguya's abilities are practically that, but just refined to greater heights. If her son could make a moon on his death bed, just think of what she can do in her PRIME.

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    • Actually, she isn't at full power yet. She is still lacking chakras of Team 7 and Edo Kage.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Actually, she isn't at full power yet. She is still lacking chakras of Team 7 and Edo Kage.

      How do you figure?

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    • Full power means all chakra in the world, she is missing a few still :)

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    • Haha, clever. That does make sense, but I honestly don't think it'd make a lick of difference.

      I wouldn't be surprised if she dropped the moon on Naruto's forehead.

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    • She absorbs edo=Unlimited chakra

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    • So was everything natural energy before the fruit was eaten? and if so that means not even the ten tails had chakra right, because when naruto examines it he sensed a huge mass of nartual energy.

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    • .....Shinju=Chakra

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    • As for destruction level, probably infinite at this point.

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    • The Shinju is both chakra and natural energy.

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    • Pretty much both it's its own weakness

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    • i think they have a chance to defeat her and my theory is down: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . when she will put them in Infiniti Tsukuyomi :p

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    • Hm?

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    • Did i miss something?

      What attack that has been shown so far in naruto has been able to wipe out an entire continent?

      And i mean one attack, not a multitude of attacks

      How is Kaguya planet level?...I really would like to hear more from the people who say she is

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    • How is Kaguya planet level?...I really would like to hear more from the people who say she is

      Nagato: Shinra Tensei = leveled Konoha —— Madara: Tengai Shinsei = leveled an entire ground area, Susanoo = can dice mountains like tomatoes with a flick of the blade (and he was holding back), Chibaku Tensei = (looking at the illustration) could potentially level an ENORMOUS area —— Juubi: Can presumably shape entire regions, and we've seen its destructive capacity in action.

      While planet level might be hyperbolic, it's not too exaggerated given that Kaguya is much stronger than anyone/thing listed above.

      And I didn't mention Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei since it doesn't relate to destructive capacity (his was more of a sealing technique after all). In parallel, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaguya could supersize it to planet level to achieve something similar.

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    • She used an apparently high level tech without even weaving hand signs, so yes, she is semi-omnipotent lol.

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    • Artofcreation wrote:

      Nagato: Shinra Tensei = leveled Konoha —— Madara: Tengai Shinsei = leveled an entire ground area, Susanoo = can dice mountains like tomatoes with a flick of the blade (and he was holding back), Chibaku Tensei = (looking at the illustration) could potentially level an ENORMOUS area —— Juubi: Can presumably shape entire regions, and we've seen its destructive capacity in action.

      While planet level might be hyperbolic, it's not too exaggerated given that Kaguya is much stronger than anyone/thing listed above.

      And I didn't mention Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei since it doesn't relate to destructive capacity (his was more of a sealing technique after all). In parallel, I wouldn't be surprised if Kaguya could supersize it to planet level to achieve something similar.

      i know what Nagato did to the village, best moment btw. But his powers dont go far beyond that since he had trouble making a Chibaku tensei strong enough to contain 8-tails kyuubi, although one could argue he was sick/deprived of chakra due to Six Paths Technique

      Madara and Hashirama's fight showed most damage done to the landscape until juubi showed up, the Juubi so far has shown country wiping DC at best from what has been depicted so far

      As for the Kaguya part, perhaps it'd be better not to go by assumptions, there is a huge difference between the moon and a planet.

      Your points were all great, but so far these guys have shown country level DC at best, i can even accept it as a continent level DC, what makes Kaguya a planet level?

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    • Elveonora wrote: She used an apparently high level tech without even weaving hand signs, so yes, she is semi-omnipotent lol.

      Lol yeah, she stole tech from Tony Stark and put everyone under IT

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    • Artofcreation wrote:

      And I didn't mention Hagoromo's Chibaku Tensei since it doesn't relate to destructive capacity

      Yeah about that, how were people surviving the nights without the moon if Hagoromo was the one who made it?

      And how did Kaguya cast a genjutsu on the entire world if the moon was created by her son on his deathbed

      The only answer i can come up with is that there was a moon that got used by kaguya to cast the IT but it got blasted by her sons then her older son made the new moon that exists now

      Although it is plausible but its ridiculous at the same time unless Kaguya is a saiyan or a kryptonian, i cant see that happening

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    • That's actually a great theory about Hagoromo's moon being a substitute for the original real/natural one.

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    • Elveonora wrote: That's actually a great theory about Hagoromo's moon being a substitute for the original real/natural one.

      Yeah, but it would take a lot of DC to blow up the original moon, the sort of DC that hasn't been seen in any HST anime

      So, like i said unless she's kryptonian or a saiyan its ALMOST impossible

      But thanks

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    • i have a question what is sasuke's instant teleportation

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    • The Winter King wrote: The only answer i can come up with is that there was a moon that got used by kaguya to cast the IT but it got blasted by her sons then her older son made the new moon that exists now

      Just an idea, but maybe Kaguya didn't need a moon? She could have cast Tsukuyomi from her Third Eye, using her Byakugan (range/insight) and incredible raw power to amplify it. And there's also the theory the moon was destroyed somehow and reassembled to hide/seal the Juubi's shell. But like you said, what could destroy a moon?

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    • Shin: Jukai Kōtan spans the entire world, probably cold have destroyed moon

      Madara had the shinju sealed in him so Kaguya should have its power and hers.....O freaking P

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    • Jashin Uchiha wrote: Shin: Jukai Kōtan spans the entire world, probably cold have destroyed moon

      Madara had the shinju sealed in him so Kaguya should have its power and hers.....O freaking P

      Trees destroyed the moon, its good you didn't say the moon got a Rasengan in the face

      Jukai Kotan doesn't have the DC to do that sort of damage

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    • Madara broke the Tsuchikage's doton golem with trees

      Jukai kotan was just an example of a jutsu that affected a large enough area to affect the moon.

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    • Jashin Uchiha wrote: Madara broke the Tsuchikage's doton golem with trees

      Jukai kotan was just an example of a jutsu that affected a large enough area to affect the moon.

      i know those trees are strong

      they are hashirama's power after-all mate

      My point here is they dont possess the DC to be a moon buster, they haven't even shown continental level DC yet

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    • Jashin Uchiha wrote: Shin: Jukai Kōtan spans the entire world, probably cold have destroyed moon

      I doubt the name is literal. Unless that was stated exactly, it's implied Hashirama's technique creates a large forest in one area. We also don't know if there were any wood release users prior to the First Hokage. But that is an interesting idea. I could see the the roots breaking up some large rocky object.

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    • Artofcreation wrote:

      Jashin Uchiha wrote: Shin: Jukai Kōtan spans the entire world, probably cold have destroyed moon

      I doubt the name is literal. Unless that was stated exactly, it's implied Hashirama's technique creates a large forest in one area. We also don't know if there were any wood release users prior to the First Hokage. But that is an interesting idea. I could see the the roots breaking up some large rocky object.

      I may be pulling straws here, but didn't the theory that he was the only wood release user was only WITHIN the clan?

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    • Artofcreation wrote:

      I could see the the roots breaking up some large rocky object.
      

      Right, now the moon is just some rocky object,

      No, unless its shown that those trees smash that big rock, you dont have anything to go on

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    • Elveonora wrote: The Shinju is both chakra and natural energy.

      actually all that was said is that the shinju is made of Natural energy. chakra is the molding of mental and physical energies. its my theory that the shinju is the source of chakra only because when kaguya consumed the shinjus fruit it gave her incredible life force. she then used said life force to mold her physical and mental energies and created chakra. i also theorize that since she absorbed its life force the shinju no longer existed and that eventually her body mutated into the gado mazou and then 10 tails. if that is true then the tailed beasts are actually the aggregate of kaguya's chakra

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    • Well, that would explain why Kaguya TRULY believes chakra is rightfully her, but we will have to wait for a confirmation before jumping to such conclusion.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Well, that would explain why Kaguya TRULY believes chakra is rightfully her, but we will have to wait for a confirmation before jumping to such conclusion.

      exactly that would perfectly explain why she believes its her right.

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    • Thats an interesting theory indeed,

      But this thread is about Kaguya's DC, and i would like to hear more from those who think Kaguya has planet level DC

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    • She has barely shown her powers, so it's hard to tell.

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    • Elveonora wrote: She has barely shown her powers, so it's hard to tell.

      I know mate, thats why i said i'd like to hear more from the people who said she can bust the planet without any feats to back their claims

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Artofcreation wrote:

      I could see the the roots breaking up some large rocky object.
      

      Right, now the moon is just some rocky object,

      No, unless its shown that those trees smash that big rock, you dont have anything to go on

      wood release has been shown to be able to with stand a tailed beast ball so it would stand to reason that it could dish out the same destruction if used properly for instance kaguya's Divine: Deep Forest Emergence was shown to be on a planetary level(it emerged from every part of the world to bind everyone to her. it would be easy for her to alter the trees form to cause continents to separate or for a moon to be ripped apart internally

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    • It just covers a wide range, it still hasn't shown even continental level dc

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:

      wood release has been shown to be able to with stand a tailed beast ball so it would stand to reason that it could dish out the same destruction if used properly for instance kaguya's Divine: Deep Forest Emergence was shown to be on a planetary level(it emerged from every part of the world to bind everyone to her. it would be easy for her to alter the trees form to cause continents to separate or for a moon to be ripped apart internally

      Like i said, you dont have anything to back your claims, it takes an immense amount of force to do what all you said, just because a jutsu has a wide range doesn't mean it has a great DC as well

      Not even Wood Release has shown that level of DC yet

      Restraining a Tailed Beast is impressive but i am talking about the moon here, and no tailed beast has shown continent level DC let alone the moon

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      Actionmanrandell wrote:

      wood release has been shown to be able to with stand a tailed beast ball so it would stand to reason that it could dish out the same destruction if used properly for instance kaguya's Divine: Deep Forest Emergence was shown to be on a planetary level(it emerged from every part of the world to bind everyone to her. it would be easy for her to alter the trees form to cause continents to separate or for a moon to be ripped apart internally

      Like i said, you dont have anything to back your claims, it takes an immense amount of force to do what all you said, just because a jutsu has a wide range doesn't mean it has a great DC as well

      Not even Wood Release has shown that level of DC yet

      Restraining a Tailed Beast is impressive but i am talking about the moon here, and no tailed beast has shown continent level DC let alone the moon

      I am sorry but if someone can cause a forest to emerge all around the entire earth they could most definitely cause massive destruction with said wood release just imagine if Hashirama or anyone who has wood release learned how to use Divine: Deep Forest Emergence(a wood release that manifests on every part of the earth) but instead of having it above ground. what if said person caused it to emerge in the center of the earth would begin to cause world wide earth quakes and could potentially be used to tear the world apart. lets put it this way. lets say you take and abandon a car in the middle of a field(before hand you planted trees all around the field(eventually after decades you come back there would be a forest that has appeared you search for the car when you find the car you would see that the trees that grew around it obliterated the car. and thats is the power of the trees over decades of slow growth. but if you had the power to cause trees to instantly grow on the spot it would most definitely have a lot of destructive force there have been cases of roots from weeds getting stuck in wet concrete and after several years the roots tore their way out of the concrete destroying the concrete(and those are small roots that you could break with your fingers) just imagine the destructive force of a a tree branch the size of a semi truck

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    • Actionmanrandell wrote:


      I am sorry but if someone can cause a forest to emerge all around the entire earth they could most definitely cause massive destruction with said wood release just imagine if Hashirama or anyone who has wood release learned how to use Divine: Deep Forest Emergence(a wood release that manifests on every part of the earth) but instead of having it above ground. what if said person caused it to emerge in the center of the earth would begin to cause world wide earth quakes and could potentially be used to tear the world apart. lets put it this way. lets say you take and abandon a car in the middle of a field(before hand you planted trees all around the field(eventually after decades you come back there would be a forest that has appeared you search for the car when you find the car you would see that the trees that grew around it obliterated the car. and thats is the power of the trees over decades of slow growth. but if you had the power to cause trees to instantly grow on the spot it would most definitely have a lot of destructive force there have been cases of roots from weeds getting stuck in wet concrete and after several years the roots tore their way out of the concrete destroying the concrete(and those are small roots that you could break with your fingers) just imagine the destructive force of a a tree branch the size of a semi truck


      I am not saying they wont be able to cause damage, yes the damage will span to a planetary scale but you are incorrect to say that it has enough force to tear he planet apart, those roots dont have enough power to overcome the gravitational binding energy. Taking a car apart and taking the planet apart are two different things. A rhino on steroids can wreck a car, does that mean a rhino who is large enough can take the planet apart? Absolutely not

      Your explanation is right, but the problem lies with the fact that it takes an immense amount of power to do it, no Naruto character has shown the even continental level DC, we are talking about the planet here, no character shown possess the power to use wood release on that scale

      All you are doing is using theories to over-hype a jutsu whose DC is unknown, like i said you lack feats to support your claims. Hashirama was the best wood-style user and even he hasn't shown continental level DC. Kaguya might be better than him at wood style but not even she has shown anything so far that puts her at a planet level DC

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    • The Winter King wrote: I am not saying they wont be able to cause damage, yes the damage will span to a planetary scale but you are incorrect to say that it has enough force to tear he planet apart, those roots dont have enough power to overcome the gravitational binding energy. Taking a car apart and taking the planet apart are two different things. A rhino on steroids can wreck a car, does that mean a rhino who is large enough can take the planet apart? Absolutely not

      Your explanation is right, but the problem lies with the fact that it takes an immense amount of power to do it, no Naruto character has shown the even continental level DC, we are talking about the planet here, no character shown possess the power to use wood release on that scale

      All you are doing is using theories to over-hype a jutsu whose DC is unknown, like i said you lack feats to support your claims. Hashirama was the best wood-style user and even he hasn't shown continental level DC. Kaguya might be better than him at wood style but not even she has shown anything so far that puts her at a planet level DC

      No not destroy the planet just the moon. The gravity of earth would bring the chunks of moon down to earth, the Tengai Shinsei could have even brought the moon down to earth

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    • Jashin Uchiha wrote:

      No not destroy the planet just the moon. The gravity of earth would bring the chunks of moon down to earth, the Tengai Shinsei could have even brought the moon down to earth

      Pulling the moon down and crashing it on the earth to destroy it and using a Destructive jutsu to destroy it are two different things. The end result might be the same but that wont make the person get Moon level DC.

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    • Do you realize what you just said.

      Destroying the moon doesn't mean you have the DC to destroy the moon.

      Really, I think you need to rethink your criticism.

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    • Jashin Uchiha wrote: Do you realize what you just said.

      Destroying the moon doesn't mean you have the DC to destroy the moon.

      Really, I think you need to rethink your criticism.

      You need to read what i said again, i said, destroying the moon by making it crash on the earth is a lot different from destroying the moon the moon with one jutsu

      If you still cant understand then, put it this way, if pain is forming a chibaku tensei of the same size as the one he used agaisnt Naruto and konohamaru forms a rasengan and the jutsu gets drawn towards the core and destroys the core then that wont mean that he has a large DC Similarly, if the moon is pulled down to the earth and made to collide with it, then it means the person who did that has enough power to pull the moon towards the earth, that wont mean that the person has moon level DC

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    • if you are capable of destroying something in any way you have the DC to destroy that thing.

      If my fist cant break a rock, but i can throw the rock at the ground and break it, then I have the DC to break the rock.

      I'm not saying any jutsu Kaguya uses will destroy the moon, I'm saying there is a jutsu she could use to destroy the moon.

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    • Jashin Uchiha wrote: if you are capable of destroying something in any way you have the DC to destroy that thing.

      If my fist cant break a rock, but i can throw the rock at the ground and break it, then I have the DC to break the rock.

      I'm not saying any jutsu Kaguya uses will destroy the moon, I'm saying there is a jutsu she could use to destroy the moon.

      That rock example is wrong, it wont mean you have the DC to break the rock, your argument is invalid because of that reasoning

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    • She is life wiper meaning planetary.

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    • Planet Level differently after it was she made the ten-tails

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    • 696440 wrote: Planet Level differently after it was she made the ten-tails

      She is the ten tails.

      http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=51003647&postcount=1885

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    • MOS is right

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    • HagoromoOtsutsuki wrote: She is life wiper meaning planetary.

      So i log in after days and i see this thread has some replies....

      Life wiper and blowing up the planet are to very different things

      Life wiper means her technique has a planetary range not a planetary dc

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    • HagoromoOtsutsuki wrote: MOS is right

      She is the 10 tails, okay..

      I agree he is right

      What was the last time that we see the ten tails coming close to continent level DC?

      And i mean not by hype i mean by actual feats.


      Now you can say several things regarding the ten tails based on what others characters said, bu that doesn't make it true

      For example, while fighting the kage Madara says his Susanoo sword can cut all things in the universe. Which is ridiculous and completely untrue

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    • The Winter King wrote:

      HagoromoOtsutsuki wrote: MOS is right

      She is the 10 tails, okay..

      I agree he is right

      What was the last time that we see the ten tails coming close to continent level DC?

      And i mean not by hype i mean by actual feats.


      Now you can say several things regarding the ten tails based on what others characters said, bu that doesn't make it true

      For example, while fighting the kage Madara says his Susanoo sword can cut all things in the universe. Which is ridiculous and completely untrue

      The Juubi left a huge crater covering a large chunk of the Frost Country with Tenpachii. Naruto countries are rather large considering it takes ninjas days to run across them.

      <snip - no>

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    • That image you are using, i hope you know what it means...

      Well, it means that Kaguya's influence on madara's world was shown when he enacted "his" plan. It is to signify that in the end it were her actions that consume this world (figuratively).

      If you go by the Mugen tsukoyomi then it is a genjutsu whose range has been amped using the moon. It has a planet level range, if some jutsu has planet level range then it doesn't mean it has planet level dc.

      Now for the other thing, your argument about a village being large, well it doesn't still make naruto even close to a continent level DC. Ninjas or not when you run across some large land mass it will seem larger than it actually is, for example if you try to run all the way from texas to new york it will take you a huge amount of time, to you it would seem like you just ran across the whole damn country but from the point of view of the globe that distance is relatively insignificant.

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    • I didn't mention anything about Kaguya in that image, I just wanted to show the crater.

      We are talking about ninjas that run around transonic speeds non-stop for an entire day. Those countries are huge if it takes them 3 days to get from the Leaf to Sand village.

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    • Man of Sin wrote: I didn't mention anything about Kaguya in that image, I just wanted to show the crater.

      We are talking about ninjas that run around transonic speeds non-stop for an entire day. Those countries are huge if it takes them 3 days to get from the Leaf to Sand village.

      Still its not continent level dc, no one has shown continent level dc yet.

      Even if you are to assume she is continent level dc, still that is way below planet level

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    • DC???

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    • HagoromoOtsutsuki wrote: DC???

      Destructive capacity

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