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  • Does anyone else feel kishimoto san should have done more with the Byakugan? I mean its one of the legendary doujutsu and yet I feel it can't hold its own against either the Sharingan or Rinnegan. Granted the power depends on the user, I still feel if the most skilled Byakugan user for example Neiji, Hiashi, or Hizashi, were to face the most skilled sharingan or Rinnegan user such as Itachi or Nagato (I've disregarded Sasuke and Madara to make it fair since they both possessed Indra's reincarnated power at one point), they would lose hands down. Maybe there's still more to the Byakugan that's yet to be revealed.

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    • It has been regulated to being an after thought at this point. Though it has been sort of vindicated as an ancestor of the the Sharingan and Rinnegan baring some chakra fruit.

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    • Very true. I guess its only new exceptional ability is using it in conjunction with the Sharingan to create the infinite tsukuyomi as Kaguya Otsutsuki did.

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    • I have a theory that it passed down by Hagoromo's Brother.

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    • too bad kishi didn't elaborate on that in the manga

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    • No, he kinda did. See the newst chapter, it shows Hamura having white eyes, like the users of the Byakugan, so it's a little obvious now that he inherited the dojutsu from Kaguya. So it hints that he is the ancestor of the Hyuga Clan and it also fills the rumour that the Byakugan origins lie within the Sharingan as Hamura's nephew is Indra.

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    • Yes finally I've been waiting forever for the Byakugan to play a more significant role. Can't wait to see how they use it in the upcoming chapters. It was pretty cool how Kaguya used it to recognize indra and ashura's chakra in Naruto and Sasuke and then incapacitate sasuke's hawk.

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    • In my opinion, while the Rinnegan can bring back the dead, and the Sharingan can create such powerful jutsu, the Byakugan is the only one that doesn't need bloodshed to use its powers fully. It's the more... peaceful of the three, in a way. Which is probably why it's the all-seeing WHITE eye (white is associated with peace)

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    • He basically did leave the byakugun out the picture. I mean its good but I didn't an upgrade not that it really needed it and the sharingan didn't need upgrades. Just another way for Kishi to overpower the Uchiha aka his favorite character Sasuke.

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    • He's trying to make up for it with Kaguya.
      
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    • NO kishi is just trying to ignore the byakugan. since till now kaguya has not shown a single technique created by byakugan,exept for that chakra fists which has been deleated by the community here. No other technique has been shown yet connected to byakugan.

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    • Jajati wrote: NO kishi is just trying to ignore the byakugan. since till now kaguya has not shown a single technique created by byakugan,exept for that chakra fists which has been deleated by the community here. No other technique has been shown yet connected to byakugan.

      Re-read chapter 680.

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    • I know thet she used the byakugan in most cases but have you seen her usig any technique related to byakugan like gentle fist?? in chapter 680 she just used her hair strangling technique to immobilize the hawk by using her byakugan but it is not in gentle fist cacagory

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    • Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

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    • so can we say the technique is a kekeigenkai of byakugan or a normal technique? since the hair technique she used did not mention any kekeigenkai on it. I think kishi should show some technique related to byakugan as susanoo is related to sharingan (Mangekyo).

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    • Black Zetsu said it was recording everything for her. So that might mean techniques. I hope the two fuse or something.

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    • yeah I hope so...

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    • Edward Zachary Sunrose wrote: In my opinion, while the Rinnegan can bring back the dead, and the Sharingan can create such powerful jutsu, the Byakugan is the only one that doesn't need bloodshed to use its powers fully. It's the more... peaceful of the three, in a way. Which is probably why it's the all-seeing WHITE eye (white is associated with peace)

      White is also associated with death in some cultures...

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    • I would say despite the Byakugan being Kaguya's main set of eyes it is still getting the short end of the stick when compared to its Sharingan/Rinnegan brother. The most we got from it in this fight was Kaguya using hair needle projectiles to strike tenketsus instead of gentle fist, but that's not a new function, just another way to achieve the same results we already knew about. Personally, I prefer her method since she doesn't need to risk herself in a short-ranged physical assault, but still has a lot of catch up to do because her other abilities are so far overshadowing it.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

      I agree, Gentle Fist is made easier to use because of the Byakugan. Especially higher level techniques which target tenketsu points. Seems to me that Hyuuga are born with above average chakra control which makes it easier for them to use the Gentle Fist style, or they train specifically for it. I still wonder though if a normal shinobi with very precise chakra control, and knowledge of locations of tenketsu points through intense study has the ability to use gentle fist? My guess would be a Medical nin like Kabuto. In fact Kabuto's taijutsu style resembles the gentle fist style very much.

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    • Yeah I noticed there are no techniques gained when getting the byakugan. Okay seeing how there is no techniques gained when getting the sharing an besides the abilities you can make use of it but then we get MS which gives the techniques at hand. There's not Mangekyo Byakugan. The only downfall is overusing the MS could lead to blindness which I found was fair but then we get EMS which emitts the effects of using it except for chairs usage. I'm mad but than again Masashi plays favs. Its his show though. But all these powerups is so unnecessary. The sharingan was enough.

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    • AwesomeRaikiri91 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

      I agree, Gentle Fist is made easier to use because of the Byakugan. Especially higher level techniques which target tenketsu points. Seems to me that Hyuuga are born with above average chakra control which makes it easier for them to use the Gentle Fist style, or they train specifically for it. I still wonder though if a normal shinobi with very precise chakra control, and knowledge of locations of tenketsu points through intense study has the ability to use gentle fist? My guess would be a Medical nin like Kabuto. In fact Kabuto's taijutsu style resembles the gentle fist style very much.

      In a way yes but he doesn't move his hands on their level. Not even close.

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    • AwesomeRaikiri91 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

      I agree, Gentle Fist is made easier to use because of the Byakugan. Especially higher level techniques which target tenketsu points. Seems to me that Hyuuga are born with above average chakra control which makes it easier for them to use the Gentle Fist style, or they train specifically for it. I still wonder though if a normal shinobi with very precise chakra control, and knowledge of locations of tenketsu points through intense study has the ability to use gentle fist? My guess would be a Medical nin like Kabuto. In fact Kabuto's taijutsu style resembles the gentle fist style very much.

      Didn't Madara do this already when he used his Chakra Disruption Rods on Hashirama? He said he wouldn't move because he pierced his tenketsu if I'm not mistaken. So, my guess is if you already have enough knowledge of the human body to know the location of the tenketsu you can pull it off without the Byakugan. Which makes the eye even more useless.

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    • Shadow Abyss wrote:

      AwesomeRaikiri91 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

      I agree, Gentle Fist is made easier to use because of the Byakugan. Especially higher level techniques which target tenketsu points. Seems to me that Hyuuga are born with above average chakra control which makes it easier for them to use the Gentle Fist style, or they train specifically for it. I still wonder though if a normal shinobi with very precise chakra control, and knowledge of locations of tenketsu points through intense study has the ability to use gentle fist? My guess would be a Medical nin like Kabuto. In fact Kabuto's taijutsu style resembles the gentle fist style very much.

      Didn't Madara do this already when he used his Chakra Disruption Rods on Hashirama? He said he wouldn't move because he pierced his tenketsu if I'm not mistaken. So, my guess is if you already have enough knowledge of the human body to know the location of the tenketsu you can pull it off without the Byakugan. Which makes the eye even more useless.

      The eye allows you see nearly 360 vision, x-ray vision and the byakugan is like a short cut of learning the human body pressure points or in Naruto chakra points so how the eye useless?

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    • Nah. Byakugan can see underneath clothes, that's far from useless. Unless there's a bunch of ugly people around, in which case you rather rip your eyes out.

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    • Rachin123 wrote:

      Shadow Abyss wrote:

      AwesomeRaikiri91 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

      I agree, Gentle Fist is made easier to use because of the Byakugan. Especially higher level techniques which target tenketsu points. Seems to me that Hyuuga are born with above average chakra control which makes it easier for them to use the Gentle Fist style, or they train specifically for it. I still wonder though if a normal shinobi with very precise chakra control, and knowledge of locations of tenketsu points through intense study has the ability to use gentle fist? My guess would be a Medical nin like Kabuto. In fact Kabuto's taijutsu style resembles the gentle fist style very much.

      Didn't Madara do this already when he used his Chakra Disruption Rods on Hashirama? He said he wouldn't move because he pierced his tenketsu if I'm not mistaken. So, my guess is if you already have enough knowledge of the human body to know the location of the tenketsu you can pull it off without the Byakugan. Which makes the eye even more useless.

      The eye allows you see nearly 360 vision, x-ray vision and the byakugan is like a short cut of learning the human body pressure points or in Naruto chakra points so how the eye useless?

      Maybe I phrased myself badly there. It is only useless when compared to the Sharingan and the Rinnegan.

      These eyes can already see the color of chakra, but can't read deep enough to see the tenketsu. Except you don't really need this power to strike them if you already are knowledgeable enough to know their locations, so one of the Byakugan's uniqueness when compared to the other eyes is taken off when you realize attacks on tenketsu can be performed without them. The only real advantage over the other Dojutsu then is the ability to see in a near 360 vision and telescopic zoom, but the vast arsenal of powers the others eyes have far outweight this. It is more of a spy thing, it can't catch up to the other eye powers in battle.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Nah. Byakugan can see underneath clothes, that's far from useless. Unless there's a bunch of ugly people around, in which case you rather rip your eyes out.

      Lulz

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    • Shadow Abyss wrote:

      Rachin123 wrote:

      Shadow Abyss wrote:

      AwesomeRaikiri91 wrote:

      Elveonora wrote: Gentle Fist isn't even a Byakugan technique pal, it just uses Byakugan to precisely land the blows. Byakugan doesn't have any techniques like Sharingan and Rinnegan do, at least none that we know of.

      I agree, Gentle Fist is made easier to use because of the Byakugan. Especially higher level techniques which target tenketsu points. Seems to me that Hyuuga are born with above average chakra control which makes it easier for them to use the Gentle Fist style, or they train specifically for it. I still wonder though if a normal shinobi with very precise chakra control, and knowledge of locations of tenketsu points through intense study has the ability to use gentle fist? My guess would be a Medical nin like Kabuto. In fact Kabuto's taijutsu style resembles the gentle fist style very much.

      Didn't Madara do this already when he used his Chakra Disruption Rods on Hashirama? He said he wouldn't move because he pierced his tenketsu if I'm not mistaken. So, my guess is if you already have enough knowledge of the human body to know the location of the tenketsu you can pull it off without the Byakugan. Which makes the eye even more useless.

      The eye allows you see nearly 360 vision, x-ray vision and the byakugan is like a short cut of learning the human body pressure points or in Naruto chakra points so how the eye useless?

      Maybe I phrased myself badly there. It is only useless when compared to the Sharingan and the Rinnegan.

      These eyes can already see the color of chakra, but can't read deep enough to see the tenketsu. Except you don't really need this power to strike them if you already are knowledgeable enough to know their locations, so one of the Byakugan's uniqueness when compared to the other eyes is taken off when you realize attacks on tenketsu can be performed without them. The only real advantage over the other Dojutsu then is the ability to see in a near 360 vision and telescopic zoom, but the vast arsenal of powers the others eyes have far outweight this. It is more of a spy thing, it can't catch up to the other eye powers in battle.

      You make it seem like many people are knowledgeable on tenketsu. And of course its not as useful doesn't mean useless but useful seeing how Finnegan gives multiple abilities for you and against the user. The MS gives you susanoo and with it its own weapon. Byakugan gets left behind but before all the power ups kishi gave the series the byakugan was great. Still is. It all depends how you look at it.

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    • I feel like the Byakugan will have to play a role in taking down Kaguya since it took both brothers to defeat her in the first place

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    • From reading this discussion, I would assume that the Byakugan is actually the support of the group. Look at it as a shinobi squad.

      Rinnegan - The miracle worker. It brings back the dead, it can control multiple bodies, it can even cast the Infinite Tsukuyomi. In this sense, it's like Naruto. Enough power to do just about anything.

      Sharingan - The torment. It needs trauma to activate, the death of a close friend to activate the Mangekyo, the death of another Uchiha to activate the Eternal Mangekyo, etc. But this eye is far more combat oriented, whereas the Rinnegan is more of a tool used to help others (except for the IT), and in this sense, it's a lot like Sasuke.

      Then we have the Byakugan - The support. Just like a medical nin, who is pretty much superfluous until needed to heal the wounded, the capabilities of the Byakugan when combined with the other two are for last-ditch support. With its wide range of 350-ish degrees (Don't forget the blind spot!) and X-Ray vision, it's very useful in long-range combat, but since most practitioners use the short-range Gentle Fist style, this makes the eye relatively useless compared to the other two. Only useable for its range of sight. In this sense, it's just like Sakura, who is a formidable kunoichi in her own right, but is relatively useless when compared to Sasuke or Naruto.

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