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  • Okay, so I suppose I'll be the first sysop to create a discussion on the recent going on's in Naruto. Don't eat me please! >_> I've seen a lot of hate towards the recent chapters; mainly because two of the main characters—Naruto and Madara—are using advanced nature transformations like they're used Kleenex. Me personally? Coming from a guy who loved Dragonball Z as a child and can't stand either One Piece or (anymore) Bleach, these recent Naruto chapters are what make my Wednesdays.

    Personal opinions aside, I think a lot of you are forgetting some very important facts we learned early on in the series. Or rather, two important facts;

    • In reference to Madara suddenly being able to use Storm Release; we were told pretty much as soon as the Rinnegan was introduced that it "brings forth all ninjutsu". Furthermore, Ibiki is quoted to say that the user of the Rinnegan is capable of using "any technique".

    I don't get why everyone is suddenly shocked that Madara can use advanced natures. Is it because Nagato never did? Obito? Why is it assumed that "brings forth all ninjutsu" and "[can use] any technique" only means basic techniques and not the techniques of advanced natures?

    The second thing pertains to the abilities Naruto has displayed now that he is a jinchūriki of all nine tailed beasts. I'm not going to rehash the battles that were on the talk pages, but there are a few things I want to touch on.

    • Shukaku and Magnet Release: Most of us pretty much knew that was coming. I suspected this when the Fourth Kazekage used his Magnet Release and got the same eye markings as Gaara. Since Gaara is almost constantly manipulating sand, his markings are permanent. It should be no surprise that if Naruto can use Lava Release with Son, he can use Magnet Release with Shukaku.

    Now, that all aside, and as I said, I'm not as unhappy as some of the others with these recent chapters. Getting to see some of these nature releases that were barely touched upon in the manga prior to this is really awesome, to me, and its nice to finally learn what Shukaku does, seeing as he was pretty much shelved after Part I.

    Anywho, that's my rant. Anyone else wants to chime in and give their opinion, feel free.

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    • Thank you so much! I feel the same way. I don't understand why people are so unhappy at where the series is heading. It's been like this from the start, and so I don't know why people are surprised. I admit that Part II is not the same series as Part I, but I love both of them equally, and so I really don't mind the direction it is heading in.

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    • Part I is to Part II how Dragonball is to Dragonball Z.

      Dragonball was a comedic martial arts series and Dragonball Z was raw action. They're completely different and yet, oddly the same. As Kishimoto considers Toriyama his greatest inspiration, its no wonder the series feel so different.

      Also, I understand everyone being upset from an editor's standpoint. Adding all of this new information, some of it all convoluted, is a huge headache. But just from a reader's standpoint, I love reading Naruto every week. It just keeps getting better and better. That's my opinion, anyways.

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    • Well written Ten Tailed Fox. Very well written

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    • Can anyone tell me what technique the other Bijuus have. Like Shukaku: Magnet Release and Wind Release. And Son Goku: Lava Release, Earth Release, Fire Release.

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    • Well these aren't releases, but the 7 tails can fly and the 6 tails can produce acid bubbles so I wouldn't be surprised if naruto learns how to fly

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    • LePatronRSD wrote: Can anyone tell me what technique the other Bijuus have. Like Shukaku: Magnet Release and Wind Release. And Son Goku: Lava Release, Earth Release, Fire Release.

      Shukaku only has Wind Release, he was never confirmed to have Magnet Release and such mentioning is fanon. Also, Lava Release automatically includes Earth/Fire, but he's never shown using them individually, so again fanon.

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    • 'cept he does have Magnet Release. In the RAWs that were leaked, he gave Naruto Magnet Release for his Rasengan.

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    • ...so if Shukaku has Wind Release and Magnet Release, does that mean that WR is part of MR? Oo

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    • Ten Tailed Fox wrote: 'cept he does have Magnet Release. In the RAWs that were leaked, he gave Naruto Magnet Release for his Rasengan.

      Really? Well that's rather annoying as then we may have to logically assume that the 3rd Kazekage got his Magnet Style from Shukaku. Fuck you Kishi for creating annoying plot devices! >_<

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    • Well done Foxy-sama. I'm so glad that we didn't get the full leaked chapter this time and I'm curious about its ending. Seems Madara will overwhelm those powers again and he'll attack with a powerful strikes, Sasuke did notice that but seems it's too late to react :)

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    • LePatronRSD wrote: Can anyone tell me what technique the other Bijuus have. Like Shukaku: Magnet Release and Wind Release. And Son Goku: Lava Release, Earth Release, Fire Release.

      I'm not sure if shukaku's jutsu is magnet release. Anyway: One tails: Sand/Magnet release, and wind style Two tails: fire style three tails : water style four tails: Lava (which probably includes earth and fire) five tails: steam (which might include water and fire-since those 2 make steam) six tails: acid and utakata's bubble ninjutsu seven tails: the 7 tails can fly, and fuu used a move during the jinchuriki v.s. jinchuriki chapters, where she produced scale from her mouth, and they made a bright white light. eight tails: lightning nine tails: wind and fire Since Naruto has chakra from all the bijuu he can use any move from their moveset, which means he can use all five chakra natures, and most likely any advanced chakra nature combo. So expect him to use the 7 tail's wings, or maybe sand coffin sometime soon.

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    • ^This is wrong in most aspects.

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    • Lol it would be weird for Naruto to suddenly to fly. Btw after this battle will he extract the Bijuus from him or will he keep them?

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    • Seelentau wrote: ...so if Shukaku has Wind Release and Magnet Release, does that mean that WR is part of MR? Oo

      That would mean *Theory Warning* Magnet Release would be Wind/Earth (Thinking floating rocks) instead of the slightly more logical Lightning/Earth (Electromagnets). But even then Toroi is from Kumogakure (known for lightning techs) and the rest of the known users are from Sunagakure (Earth and wind techs)...

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    • Yes. However, Lighting and Earth is also likely because the Kanji for magnet. 磁 contains the Kanji for stone, 石.

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    • Seelentau wrote: ^This is wrong in most aspects.

      How so?

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    • It would be cool if saiken's caustic substances was boil release. Naruto could make a rasengan that would burn your face off.

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    • Also, Ten Tailed Fox, isn't it interesting how 20-30 chapters ago when Obito was the jinchuriki, everyone was complaining that he was just using those Truth-Seeking Balls, and not using any nature releases, but now that Madara is the jinchuriki and using said nature releases, everyone is complaining again? I like this way more than when Obito was the jinchuriki. This is much better!

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    • Shakhmoot wrote: Well done Foxy-sama. I'm so glad that we didn't get the full leaked chapter this time and I'm curious about its ending. Seems Madara will overwhelm those powers again and he'll attack with a powerful strikes, Sasuke did notice that but seems it's too late to react :)

      Hey, Shakhmoot! How do you know that the full chapter was not leaked? Since I obviously don't read Japanese, I couldn't tell if it ended or not. But since you are probably one of the most, if not the most, reliable and informative sources on the wiki, and so would you mind letting me know how you know there are still some pages that we have not seen? Also, do you have a number of how many pages were missing?

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    • KirinNOTKarin98 wrote: But since you are probably one of the most, if not the most, reliable and informative sources on the wiki, and so would you mind letting me know how you know there are still some pages that we have not seen? Also, do you have a number of how many pages were missing?

      There are at least 17 pages for every Naruto chapter. 13 were leaked, so there are at least 4 missing.

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    • Jason7868 wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: ^This is wrong in most aspects.

      How so?

      The bolded parts are wrong:

      Jason7868 wrote: I'm not sure if shukaku's jutsu is magnet release. Anyway: One tails: Sand/Magnet release, and wind style Two tails: fire style three tails : water style four tails: Lava (which probably includes earth and fire) five tails: steam (which might include water and fire-since those 2 make steam) six tails: acid and utakata's bubble ninjutsu seven tails: the 7 tails can fly, and fuu used a move during the jinchuriki v.s. jinchuriki chapters, where she produced scale from her mouth, and they made a bright white light. eight tails: lightning nine tails: wind and fire Since Naruto has chakra from all the bijuu he can use any move from their moveset, which means he can use all five chakra natures, and most likely any advanced chakra nature combo. So expect him to use the 7 tail's wings, or maybe sand coffin sometime soon.

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    • KirinNOTKarin98 wrote: Hey, Shakhmoot! How do you know that the full chapter was not leaked? Since I obviously don't read Japanese, I couldn't tell if it ended or not. But since you are probably one of the most, if not the most, reliable and informative sources on the wiki, and so would you mind letting me know how you know there are still some pages that we have not seen? Also, do you have a number of how many pages were missing?

      Thanks Kirin-san, I'm here to help as you know. About your question, we didn't see the ending text for every chapter that read in this leaked release. And as I predict that we have about 3-5 missing pages in the end for chapter's completion. We might see what I predicted above or we could see more explanations about those techniques. Two days and everything will be known :)

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    • I am shocked at all about Madara and storm release. The MS grants the user to combine fire and whatever else for blaze release and its only natural that its full upgrade the Rinnegan would take that further and allow the merging of other elements. What is also maybe helping Madara is the fact that he has the ten tails in side of him meaning he probably has the same access to chakra natures as Naruto has, minus the so6p upgrade. With Shukaku and Magnet release, still thinking on that one,I under the impression that his sand techs were either a subset of wind release or just sand release. Then again nothing saids that Shukaku can't have both. Then again Sand release is speculation. If shukaku's sand techs are all magnet release, (and collaborative wind release for some techs) then it would at least explain why Gaara was able to sync(or whatever the term was) more with Shukaku; Shukaku uses Magnet release, Gaara is a son of a Magnet release (meaning he could of genetically inherit the advanced nature) user meaning Shukaku just enhanced the abilities Gaara was born with. It just unfortunately the Fourth Kazekage methods of mentally training jinchuriki suck.

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    • Seelentau wrote:

      Jason7868 wrote:

      Seelentau wrote: ^This is wrong in most aspects.

      How so?

      The bolded parts are wrong:

      Jason7868 wrote: I'm not sure if shukaku's jutsu is magnet release. Anyway: One tails: Sand/Magnet release, and wind style Two tails: fire style three tails : water style four tails: Lava (which probably includes earth and fire) five tails: steam (which might include water and fire-since those 2 make steam) six tails: acid and utakata's bubble ninjutsu seven tails: the 7 tails can fly, and fuu used a move during the jinchuriki v.s. jinchuriki chapters, where she produced scale from her mouth, and they made a bright white light. eight tails: lightning nine tails: wind and fire Since Naruto has chakra from all the bijuu he can use any move from their moveset, which means he can use all five chakra natures, and most likely any advanced chakra nature combo. So expect him to use the 7 tail's wings, or maybe sand coffin sometime soon.

      Alright, Since when has Shukaku's/Gaara's jutsu been classified as magnet release? Also, how do we know that Han's steam release and Utakata's bubble ninjutsu aren't tailed beast skills? Plus, why does it seem that we aren't taking into account some of the moves shown in the anime? The nine tails used fire and wind release in the anime. Just because some people classify it as filler, doesn't mean that it is. Raiga (from the Naruto funeral arc) was even introduced into the manga. So obviously filler has some sort of influence on Kishimoto's decisions.

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    • Never.

      Because we were never told they are.

      Because the anime is not canon, especially not that shithole of an episode.

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    • Has influence but is not the be all end all when it comes to canon info. Manga<-Databooks<-Anime<-Ovas&Movies.

      Raiga is canon but his anime arc is not. The animators make up stuff to fit their needs regardless of what Kishi has established. Example Kurama using Wind and Fire release during the pein arc. That was used just to pad the battle. And clearly kishi doesn't care what the animators did since Kurama has yet to use either element in the manga so far.

      While Kishi may borrow some ideas from the anime, until those contributions shows up in a manga chapter or databook, they are non-canon. Remember at the end of the day, Kishimoto is writing & drawing this story not the animators(well they animate the anime).

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    • Umishiru wrote: Has influence but is not the be all end all when it comes to canon info. Manga<-Databooks<-Anime<-Ovas&Movies.

      Raiga is canon but his anime arc is not. The animators make up stuff to fit their needs regardless of what Kishi has established. Example Kurama using Wind and Fire release during the pein arc. That was used just to pad the battle. And clearly kishi doesn't care what the animators did since Kurama has yet to use either element in the manga so far.

      While Kishi may borrow some ideas from the anime, until those contributions shows up in a manga chapter or databook, they are non-canon. Remember at the end of the day, Kishimoto is writing & drawing this story not the animators(well they animate the anime).

      Alright that makes sense. I saw on here a while ago that Kishimoto oversees the filler creation, which is why I was a little confused.

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    • Madara can't use Storm Release because of the Rinnegan but because he is the Shinju's jinchuuriki. The Rinnegan just makes it easier to learn natures, but advanced natures can't be just learned.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Madara can't use Storm Release because of the Rinnegan but because he is the Shinju's jinchuuriki. The Rinnegan just makes it easier to learn natures, but advanced natures can't be just learned.

      Seems to me that "brings forth all ninjutsu" and the statement that a Rinnegan user has the capacity to use "any technique" blows that right of the water. In fact, it does blow that right out of the water.

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    • Maybe being the ten-tails jinchuuriki amplifies the rinnegan's abilities? 5 elements -> ALL elements?

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    • Rinnegan doesn't grant its wielder all natures, that's a misconception. Also you take everything too literary and like to apply your own context to things.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Rinnegan doesn't grant its wielder all natures, that's a misconception.

      Correct. It just gives them the capability to. Big difference.

      Elvenora wrote: Also you take everything too literary and like to apply your own context to things.

      That is absolutely hilarious given who this is coming from, but you're right. I do take things literally. I don't try to make up a meaning from what Kishi clearly states outright not once, but twice, because I don't have the time or the energy to spin up wild theories about how things work when Kishi has clearly provided us with answers if we bother to read them.

      It works better that way. And if he hasn't given us an answer, I will be the first to admit I don't know. Case-in-point, I don't see how Naruto's new Rasengan is Magnet Release. 'Course, 3-4 pages are missing so we could see something, but its there. No other clues, so I'm not about to speculate on it.

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    • Yes and Santa Claus is real, because I saw him on TV.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Yes and Santa Claus is real, because I saw him on TV.

      Hilariously out of place reference is hilariously out of place.

      Point is, Kishi is writing this manga, not you. So I'm more apt to take what he flat out says. Kinda makes sense given, you know, he's the author and all.

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    • Seelentau wrote: ...so if Shukaku has Wind Release and Magnet Release, does that mean that WR is part of MR? Oo

      I would love to see how that is explained. xD

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    • Shakhmoot wrote:

      KirinNOTKarin98 wrote: Hey, Shakhmoot! How do you know that the full chapter was not leaked? Since I obviously don't read Japanese, I couldn't tell if it ended or not. But since you are probably one of the most, if not the most, reliable and informative sources on the wiki, and so would you mind letting me know how you know there are still some pages that we have not seen? Also, do you have a number of how many pages were missing?

      Thanks Kirin-san, I'm here to help as you know. About your question, we didn't see the ending text for every chapter that read in this leaked release. And as I predict that we have about 3-5 missing pages in the end for chapter's completion. We might see what I predicted above or we could see more explanations about those techniques. Two days and everything will be known :)

      Thanks a bunch for answering all of my questions, Shakhmoot! The reason I asked is because there have been a few chapters (641 is one example, if I'm not mistaken) that have been only about 12-14 pages. That's why I thought that maybe we already saw the entire chapter... I hope not, as we won't get a chapter next week, and so I want all the Naruto I can get now! I really hope Kishi ends this chapter sort of in an anticlimactic manner, as I don't want to wait two weeks, on the edge of my seat mind you, for 675!

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    • Context and logic too are important. Don't take everything at face value, that makes you appear non-intelligent to just accept everything your brain absorbs without giving it a second thought. As an example, there are two kind of students. Those who memorize stuff but couldn't care less about its meaning and workings and those who actually understand what they have memorized. 90% of population if not more fall into the first group. It's called being a sheep.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Context and logic too are important. Don't take everything at face value, that makes you appear non-intelligent to just accept everything your brain absorbs without giving it a second thought. As an example, there are two kind of students. Those who memorize stuff but couldn't care less about its meaning and workings and those who actually understand what they have memorized. 90% of population if not more fall into the first group. It's called being a sheep.

      The problem isn't with context clues and connecting the dots. I do that. I've thought for a good long while now that Shukaku had Magnet Release, based on the chapters that centered around Gaara and his father, and even before then Kishimoto hinted at it when he said previous Kazekage learned to mimic Shukaku with magnetic chakra.

      You're not going to hear me use that argument in a talk page, though, unless I have actual proof (which I do now).

      The problem is going above and beyond simply connecting the dots and flat out ignoring two direct quotes because you think it should be otherwise. That is the definition of willful ignorance. Other than that, I agree with you.

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    • Going back to the original post: I like where the series is heading. My explanation for the rapid increase in techniques is that Naruto and Sasuke are on a whole different fighting level than any other shinobi. Now that Naruto and Sasuke have So6P power they will be using very high level techniques. They should be using these techniques, Mandara can't be defeated by weak, low level techniques. My reasoning for Mandara's usage of different techniques; the Rinnegan are HIS eyes! Unlike Nagato and Obito, Mandara knows how to use his eyes to its full extent. Interesting that Shukaku has magnet release. It does connect the 4th Kezekage's magnet release and how he subdued Shukaku. I am liking the fact that Naruto is using the cursed seal markings on Shukaku for binding his opponent. Wondering where Sasuke's new rinnegan techniques are. So far it's Naruto vs. Mandara.

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    • So what do you all think about sasuke's black chidori in 674? And yes it is black. Check all other showings of chidori, then look at darui's black panther.

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    • what is the color of sasuke's rinnegan the original or red?

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    • Nagato had Rinnegan for like over 35 years and mastered all basic natures and YYR at the age of 10, yet he didn't show any advanced nature. Also as shown, two Tailed Beasts are already known to use advanced natures, meaning Madara's usage of Storm Release is from being Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki not the Rinnegan.

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    • Recent Chapters huh. It would be cool if Naruto used something else then only Rasengan or a diffrent variant of the Rasengan.

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    • Elveonora wrote: Nagato had Rinnegan for like over 35 years and mastered all basic natures and YYR at the age of 10, yet he didn't show any advanced nature. Also as shown, two Tailed Beasts are already known to use advanced natures, meaning Madara's usage of Storm Release is from being Ten-Tails' jinchuuriki not the Rinnegan.

      Nagato also didn't use the Demonic Statue Chakra Chains, nor did he use Rinbo: Hengoku. Guess that proves they're not Rinnegan-based techniques either, huh?

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    • KirinNOTKarin98 wrote:

      Shakhmoot wrote:

      KirinNOTKarin98 wrote: Hey, Shakhmoot! How do you know that the full chapter was not leaked? Since I obviously don't read Japanese, I couldn't tell if it ended or not. But since you are probably one of the most, if not the most, reliable and informative sources on the wiki, and so would you mind letting me know how you know there are still some pages that we have not seen? Also, do you have a number of how many pages were missing?

      Thanks Kirin-san, I'm here to help as you know. About your question, we didn't see the ending text for every chapter that read in this leaked release. And as I predict that we have about 3-5 missing pages in the end for chapter's completion. We might see what I predicted above or we could see more explanations about those techniques. Two days and everything will be known :)

      Thanks a bunch for answering all of my questions, Shakhmoot! The reason I asked is because there have been a few chapters (641 is one example, if I'm not mistaken) that have been only about 12-14 pages. That's why I thought that maybe we already saw the entire chapter... I hope not, as we won't get a chapter next week, and so I want all the Naruto I can get now! I really hope Kishi ends this chapter sort of in an anticlimactic manner, as I don't want to wait two weeks, on the edge of my seat mind you, for 675!

      Kirin, how do you know that there won't be any chapter next week?

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    • There will be. But next week is the beginning of Golden Week, so we won't have a chapter in two weeks... or so. It's confusing.

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    • In two weeks? Man that sucks. The manga is going to end this year so I would hope that the only time the manga would be on break is because of personal issues. Ahh two weeks?!

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    • No, not two weeks. The recent leak is from the chapter that (most likely) is released next Monday in Japan. The Monday after that, there is no release and in that week, we don't get a chapter because they don't work during the Golden Week.

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    • What is the Golden Week?

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    • It's a holiday week in Japan.

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    • The bane of manga fans everywhere.

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    • It didn't say it'd be on break though...

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    • It never does, because everyone knows.

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    • Jason7868 wrote: It didn't say it'd be on break though...

      It's not stated because it always happens. It's a yearly break for almost every manga produced.

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    • Seelentau wrote: It never does, because everyone knows.

      Last time they took a break it was stated. They always state it. On the last page.

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    • Speysider wrote:

      Jason7868 wrote: It didn't say it'd be on break though...

      It's not stated because it always happens. It's a yearly break for almost every manga produced.

      Really? Could've sworn they stated it last Golden Week.

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    • Maybe madara can use the storm release because of the 10-tails. The 10-tails is compose of all the bijuus.

      Remember, Naruto used magnet and lava because of the bijuus.

      There must be one bijuu who can use storm release as son can use lava and shukaka can use magnet...


      Nagato doesn't seem to use any advance natures.

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    • Radiantmage wrote: Maybe madara can use the storm release because of the 10-tails. The 10-tails is compose of all the bijuus.

      Remember, Naruto used magnet and lava because of the bijuus.

      There must be one bijuu who can use storm release as son can use lava and shukaka can use magnet...


      Nagato doesn't seem to use any advance natures.

      One thing I just thought of is that he could be combining 2 or more bijuu's powers to make storm release. I don't think any ONE bijuu can create storm release.

      Another theory is that he gained the ability to use this release when he stole DNA from Hashirama. With his DNA Madara gained wood release which is water and earth releases. Madara could already be adept at lightning release based on his use of Sage Art: Yin Release Lightning Dispatch technique. So once he gained Hashirama's DNA as an old man he was able to use storm release but was already too old to actually use it.

      Or his use of Storm Release will not be explained and we can theorize about it forever.

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    • I only didnt like ao Madara stole the Sharingan and then puts it on him an uses it like he's changing a t-shirt.

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