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Kinjutsu classification

Since this seems to pop up at every related talk page, let's revisit it here. As Naruto has long been able to throw it, thereby negating the risk of it mangling his own chakra network, do we all agree to drop the kinjutsu classification from it and derived techniques? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:23, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Nah. Just because at present it no longer presents a threat to Naruto, doesn't mean it won't pose a threat to any potential future users. MangekyoSasuke (talk) 03:33, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

No to the first, yes to the second. This wiki represents the series at all its stages. Since Rasenshuriken was initially a Kinjutsu, it stays labeled a Kinjutsu just as Saskue is still listed as being affiliated with Konohagakure despite his defection. The derived techniques, however, I agree shouldn't be listed Kinjutsu unless specifically given that classification in the manga. ~ Ten Tailed Fox

04:38, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

But wasn't it kinjutsu because it was incomplete? That's kinda like Kakashi using Chidori pre-Sharingan no? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:31, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

It was complete. Naruto never originally planned to throw it. It was labeled kinjutsu because it would damage him at the cellular level due to being too close the explosion. It was only during his senjutsu training that he came up with the idea and thus learned to throw it. ~ Ten Tailed Fox

17:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

So, we keep kinjutsu in this, and drop it from the derivatives? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 17:55, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

That's the way I see it. Yep, agreed. ~ Ten Tailed Fox

17:57, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Finally. Rasenshuriken, still a kinjutsu, everything else, not a kinjutsu until someone says otherwise. Hazzah.--TheUltimate3 ^(talk) 18:17, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

Parent Jutsu

I think that Big Ball Rasengan should be listed as the parent jutsu as well, because the rasenshuriken is basically a big ball wind release rasengan. --Cmcwiki (talk) 00:55, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

It's not. • Seelentau 愛 ^議 01:05, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Remove

Can anybody remove infobox Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken?.Naruto uzu6254 (talk) 16:35, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why?--TheUltimate3

^(talk) 16:55, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know may be it is showing two links of the same jutsu name in my browser, It is under lava release. I just wanted to remove one link, I don't know if it is correct or not.Naruto uzu6254 (talk) 17:05, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

The list is generated automatically. There's nothing we can do if it makes duplicate links. ~Snapper T o 17:19, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

The Last

Naruto threw a yellow Rasenshuriken in the movie, what to do?KiritoLevel96Alicization (talk) 23:20, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Sage Art: Rasenshuriken

In the recent 447 episode of Shippuden Naruto calls senjutsu version of the Rasenshuriken as Sage Art: Rasenshuriken, is this name worth mentioning in the technique's article (as the name of the senjutsu-enhanced Rasenshuriken)? Ravenlot 27 (talk) 13:05, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

All the other techniques follow the same trend so i don't see why we wouldn't. --Sarutobii2 (talk) 13:09, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Considering that it was in Tsunade's Infinite Tsukuyomi dream, I'm not quite sure... Trivia, maybe? --JouXIII (talk) 13:24, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Well, this one was also a dream only name, yet we use it as the technique used in both manga and anime. I just mean that, as in the case of Rasengan, this name should be mentioned in the Rasenshuriken developement section as the technique's name in the anime, with the reference to the corresponding episode, of course. Ravenlot 27 (talk) 13:33, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

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-== Completion ==
-how has naruto not been able to complete his wind release:rasengan.
+== Kinjutsu classification ==
-Has anyone noticed that the sound used when the wind chakra is slicing and dicing Kakuzu is oddly similar to the Chidori sound? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
+Since this seems to pop up at every related talk page, let's revisit it here. As Naruto has long been able to throw it, thereby negating the risk of it mangling his own chakra network, do we all agree to drop the kinjutsu classification from it and derived techniques? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:23, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
-[[User:Boyzzz96|Boyzzz96]] 11:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
+:Nah. Just because at present it no longer presents a threat to Naruto, doesn't mean it won't pose a threat to any potential future users. [[User:MangekyoSasuke|MangekyoSasuke]] ([[User talk:MangekyoSasuke|talk]]) 03:33, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
-==Throwing==
+:: No to the first, yes to the second. This wiki represents the series at all its stages. Since Rasenshuriken was initially a Kinjutsu, it stays labeled a Kinjutsu just as Saskue is still listed as being affiliated with Konohagakure despite his defection. The derived techniques, however, I agree shouldn't be listed Kinjutsu unless specifically given that classification in the manga. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 04:38, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
+:::But wasn't it kinjutsu because it was incomplete? That's kinda like Kakashi using Chidori pre-Sharingan no? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:31, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
+:::: It was complete. Naruto never originally planned to throw it. It was labeled kinjutsu because it would damage him at the cellular level due to being too close the explosion. It was only during his senjutsu training that he came up with the idea and thus learned to throw it. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:51, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
+:::::So, we keep kinjutsu in this, and drop it from the derivatives? [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 17:55, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
+:::::: That's the way I see it. Yep, agreed. ~ '''''[[User:Ten Tailed Fox|Ten Tailed Fox]]''''' [[File:Yamagakure Symbol.svg|14px|link=User talk:Ten Tailed Fox]] 17:57, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
+Finally. Rasenshuriken, still a kinjutsu, everything else, not a kinjutsu until someone says otherwise. Hazzah.--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 18:17, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
+== Parent Jutsu ==
-Why isn't it mentioned that Naruto couldn't throw the Rasenshuriken when he first used the jutsu? Otherwise the line about him completing the technique in chapter 432 by showing he has learned to throw it doesn't make sense. I mean, you have a solution when there's no problem to begin with right?
-Before any one tells me to add it myself, believe me I would, but the last time I did it got taken down pretty quickly and hasn't been put back up in all the edits since. --[[User:Mini9tailedfox|Mini9tailedfox]] 18:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
+I think that Big Ball Rasengan should be listed as the parent jutsu as well, because the rasenshuriken is basically a big ball wind release rasengan. --[[User:Cmcwiki|Cmcwiki]] ([[User talk:Cmcwiki|talk]]) 00:55, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
-I've mentioned it now. - [[User:Zero2001|Zero]] - [[User Talk:Zero2001|Talk]] 17:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
+:It's not. • [[User:Seelentau|Seelentau 愛]] <sup>[[User Talk:Seelentau|議]]</sup> 01:05, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
-Appreciate it Zero--[[User:Mini9tailedfox|Mini9tailedfox]] 08:21, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
+== Remove ==
-Well, it was mentioned about Naruto not being able to throw the rasen shuriken the first time he used it when he was fighting Kakuzu. On the manga chapter 340, Yamato did comment, saying," It's called Rasen Shuriken, but it only works when you're right up close to your opponent." So I think the line about him completing the justu does make sense because he could finally throw it, thus finishing the justu.[[User:Boyzzz96|Boyzzz96]] 11:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
+Can anybody remove infobox Sage Art: Super Tailed Beast Rasenshuriken?.[[User:Naruto uzu6254|Naruto uzu6254]] ([[User talk:Naruto uzu6254|talk]]) 16:35, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
+:Why?--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Eye of Rikudō.svg|30px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:55, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
+:: I don't know may be it is showing two links of the same jutsu name in my browser, It is under lava release. I just wanted to remove one link, I don't know if it is correct or not.[[User:Naruto uzu6254|Naruto uzu6254]] ([[User talk:Naruto uzu6254|talk]]) 17:05, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
+:::The list is generated automatically. There's nothing we can do if it makes duplicate links. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:19, December 2, 2014 (UTC)
+==The Last==
-Boyzzz, here's the context of my comment: Originally the article wasn't clear about the problem of throwing the FRS. There were comments in parts about Naruto being able to throw it during his fight with Pain, but never about how he couldn't throw it when he first used it against Kakuzu except in the Trivia section, talking about how Chouji had noticed it couldn't be thrown. I made an edit to state that when the FRS was first seen Naruto hadn't learned to throw it. Almost as soon as I made the edit it was erased and a drawbacks section was added, but still no mention how throwing the FRS was a problem. So, instead of starting a pointless revert war, I left a note on here that that it should be added.
+Naruto threw a yellow Rasenshuriken in the movie, what to do?[[User:KiritoLevel96Alicization|KiritoLevel96Alicization]] ([[User talk:KiritoLevel96Alicization|talk]]) 23:20, December 8, 2014 (UTC)[[File:Sharingan_Triple.svg|20px|link=]]
-I agree that the article makes sense right now, but earlier it wasn't as informative as it could've been. --[[User:Mini9tailedfox|Mini9tailedfox]] 09:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
-== Hermit's Art? ==
+== Sage Art: Rasenshuriken ==
+In the recent 447 episode of Shippuden Naruto calls senjutsu version of the Rasenshuriken as '''Sage Art: Rasenshuriken''', is this name worth mentioning in the technique's article (as the name of the senjutsu-enhanced Rasenshuriken)? [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 13:05, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
+:All the other techniques follow the same trend so i don't see why we wouldn't. --[[User:Sarutobii2|Sarutobii2]] ([[User talk:Sarutobii2|talk]]) 13:09, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
-Isn't the Rasenshuriken shown in Hermit Mode Naruto supposed to be called Hermit's Art: Rasenshuriken because of adding sage chakra and being used in hermit mode? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] 17:40, 25 February 2009 (UTC).
+::Considering that it was in Tsunade's Infinite Tsukuyomi dream, I'm not quite sure... Trivia, maybe? --[[User:JouXIII|JouXIII]] ([[User talk:JouXIII|talk]]) 13:24, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
-Depends. I have no clue about the japanese but my guess is that Kishi used the character for Wind Release instead of Hermit Art. Unless the chapter was mistranslated where it should've said Hermit Art, I'd assume it was meant to be Wind Release: Rasenshuriken. You might want to try and ask someone who knows a thing or two about japanese (not me obviously).--[[User:Mini9tailedfox|Mini9tailedfox]] 10:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
+:::Well, [[Scale Powder|this one]] was also a dream only name, yet we use it as the technique used in both manga and anime. I just mean that, as in the case of Rasengan, this name should be mentioned in the Rasenshuriken developement section as the technique's name in the anime, with the reference to the corresponding episode, of course. [[User:Ravenlot 27|Ravenlot 27]] ([[User talk:Ravenlot 27|talk]]) 13:33, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
-How else has an answer? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] 04:09, 19 March 2009 (UTC).
-:A new article shouldn't be created unless he uses the name. So someone will have to double check the Japanese manga and throw a scan to ShounenSuki to check if a different name was used. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User_talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Mar 19, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 17:42 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-Although he throws it in Sage mode, and the fact that it's infused with Sage chakra doesn't make it sage-mode exclusive, and therefore not strictly a sage art. When used in Sage mode it's not a different jutsu, it's just different execution. For example, Chou Oodama Rasengan cannot be used outside of sage mode (has never been shown, at least) and has only ever been used by characters in sage mode - Both of them using the 'Senpou' in front of it. Using Sage chakra with regular ninjutsu doesn't make it Sage arts. It doesn't become a 'Senpou: Rasengan' or 'Senpou: Kage Bunshin'.
-== ? ==
-The Rasenshuriken is not a Senjutsu.--[[User:Inferuno Ryuu|Inferuno Ryuu]] 16:26, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
-And Is It Still Kinjutsu???....He Did Complete It.....--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]
-Yes It is. The only way Naruto can't damage himself is when he uses Sage Mode. If he uses it without it it's still a double edged jutsu.
-Of Course that's my opinion. I could be wrong.--[[User:Inferuno Ryuu|Inferuno Ryuu]] 20:47, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
-The only reason that Naruto can't use Wind Release: Rasenshuriken outside of Sage Mode is because the moment it would leave Naruto's hand, it would start or instantly lose it's chakra and become nothing. Though this is only a theory, and even one that has me a little confused as Rasengan becomes self-sustaining once complete, so there is no reason Naruto couldn't have been able to throw the Rasenshuriken, other than maybe the Wind chakra would disappear the moment it left his hand, which I don't think that but hey, I could be wrong. --[[User:Juubi no Ryuu|Juubi no Ryuu]] ([[User_talk:Juubi no Ryuu|talk]]) 01:59, 21 April 2009 (UTC)\
-THE RASENSHURIKEN IS NOT A SENJUTSU, SENJUTSU ARE MOVES THAT CAN ONLY BE USED IN SAGE MODE HE CAN USE THE RASENSHURIKEN EVEN IF HE'S NOT IN SAGE MODE BUT IN SAGE MODE IT DOASN'T HURT HIM BECAUSE HE CAN THROW IT.
-That's not true. Senjutsu are moves that utilize natural energy. The moves are enhanced by the natural energy, so they become more powerful. While most of the jutsu used while in Sage Mode have not been seen when the user is not in Sage Mode, that does not mean that the user is incapable of using the attack outside of Sage Mode. Therefore, in my opinion at least, the Rasenshuriken  counts as senjutsu, as long as Naruto is in Sage Mode when he uses it.
-Oh, and remember to sign your posts. --[[User:Enoki911|Enoki911]] ([[User talk:Enoki911|talk]]) 20:22, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
-Wind Style Rasenshuriken is classified, Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, and Kinjutsu. The form of jutsu of course makes it a Ninjutsu. It was first made before he ever learned Sage Mode. At that time if he threw it, the jutsu would not keep it's form. The jutsu would leave great damage to the body. Fracturing the bones in his arm, and the extended time of being in contact with it would cause damage to his chacra vessels. Making it be classifed Kinjutsu. Later on while using it in Sage Mode it would keep form after being thrown, cutting the time greatly to his exposure to the jutsu. While Sage Mode can take a greater impact and leave no damage to the body. The large amount of power in Sage Mode would also make it more powerful, even if it used a lot of chacra. He's only able to use it twice before losing Sage Mode. {{unsigned|Apollymi28}}
-Pointless reply to a two year old discussion. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:30, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
-== Infobox ==
-This infobox has been here for a long time. Whoever made it, can they either delete it or allow it to be used officially for other jutsus? [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] 23:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
-:The infobox still needs a bit more work, the form isn't quite ready and it's not supposed to be used with anything other than the form. ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Jul 21, 2009 <sub>@</sub> 18:14 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-No offense, but that infobox makes the article looks a mess. Maybe we shouldn't use it (from the looks of things, looks like nobody even bothered to make any improvements to it). [[User:Yatanogarasu|Yatanogarasu]] 15:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
-:[[Forum:Jutsu infobox update|It's been worked on]] since you last brought it up. There's still just some things to add. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 23:35, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
-== name ==
-Shouldn't the article name be "Wind Style: Rasen Shuriken". as the official name for it is "wind style: rasen shuriken", not "wind release: rasen shuriken".--[[User:Narutodude|Narutodude]] ([[User talk:Narutodude|talk]]) 05:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Narutodude
-:This wiki's style is direct translations for jutu. We don't use the Viz translations as they tend to change depending on where it is..--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 09:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-::In case your still reading this [[Lightning Blade]] is translated. Removing what you wrote doesn't mean I can't see it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 22:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
-sorry about that. I didn't really think before writing that, so i deleted it.--[[User:Narutodude|Narutodude]] ([[User talk:Narutodude|talk]]) 22:03, 22 July 2009 (UTC)Narutodude
-== Naruto Shippuden Movie 3  ==
-I saw the third Shippuden Movie today and at the end Naruto uses a triple sized Rasen-Shuriken against the villain. I also saw that it was far more powerful than the normal version and it created a blast even more powerful than the Sage Mode version  (it made a crater 3 times smaller than Pein`s Shinra Tensei), but left Naruto unharmed. i know that movies have no connection with anime or manga, but I really do think that we should add this !![[User:Art-is-a-blast|Art-is-a-blast]] ([[User talk:Art-is-a-blast|talk]]) 02:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
-First of all. Where did you watch naruto shippuden movie 3? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 15:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC).
-In Japan, yesterday. [[User:Art-is-a-blast|Art-is-a-blast]] ([[User talk:Art-is-a-blast|talk]]) 04:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
-SO, are you guys going to add the info or not ? [[User:Art-is-a-blast|Art-is-a-blast]] ([[User talk:Art-is-a-blast|talk]]) 15:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
-Until it the movie is released than we will see if we can add it. [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 17:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC).
-:Problem with that statement: Its allready released in cinema's.'''..--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]]--''' 19:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
-Ok, so you don`t believe me. [[User:Art-is-a-blast|Art-is-a-blast]] ([[User talk:Art-is-a-blast|talk]]) 01:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
-== One-hit Attack? ==
-when naruto first used it on kakuzu, it technically didn't kill him yet cuz kakashi had to go down to the crater and finish the job himself with the raikiri. i admit it is a one hit ko when used in sage mode but maybe that should be added to the page.
-naruto killed him two times, but kakuza had 5 hearts, two were destroyed and as naruto hit him he had 3, naruto take two hearts and kakashi did the rest[[User:Ernie1992|Screamo-fan]] ([[User talk:Ernie1992|talk]]) 17:11, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
-the reason kakuzu survive and bofy was intact was because of his body is made of those treads thing[[User:Linkdarkside|Linkdarkside]] ([[User talk:Linkdarkside|talk]]) 20:49, January 3, 2010 (UTC)
-== expanded rasenshuriken ==
-Is the expanded rasenshuriken actually odama rasenshuriken? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 12:38, September 13, 2009 (UTC).
-:Expanded Rasenshuriken? --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 12:49, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-::I think he means the Sage-mode rasen shuriken...And y would it be odama rasenshuriken?..--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 13:04, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-The sphere in the middle is as the same size as the sage art: great ball rasengan. So i think it's great ball rasenshuriken? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 14:51, September 13, 2009 (UTC).
-:How did you compare? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 14:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-It is shown. [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 15:05, September 13, 2009 (UTC).
-:Where and how? [[User:Jacce|Jacce]] | [[User talk:Jacce|Talk]] 15:11, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-::He's probably talking about the Rasenshuriken that got the Pain that ripped people's souls apart, it expanded in mid-flight. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:08, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-Yup that's the one! The sphere inside it is the same size as sage art: great ball rasengan? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 16:12, September 13, 2009 (UTC).
-:::No it shouldn't. When the technique is activated it is about the same size as a normal Rasengan. In Sage Mode shouldn't we go by the size of the Odama Rasengan that he used on the summons. In comparison, the FRS was normal sized. The size after it connects makes no difference. All Rasengans expand to a degree. The Rasengan in Rasenshuriken is still roughly Softball sized. It's just really really dense. [[User:Rayfire|Rayfire]] ([[User talk:Rayfire|talk]]) 16:17, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-So the rasenshuriken has no oodama variation? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 16:49, September 13, 2009 (UTC).
-:No, it never has...--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 16:51, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-Then how did naruto make a triple sized rasenshuriken in naruto shippuden movie 3? Increasing chakra amounts to it? [[User:Cooltamerboy|Cooltamerboy]] ([[User talk:Cooltamerboy|talk]]) 16:59, September 13, 2009 (UTC).
-:You do know this isn't a Q&A site...--[[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]]--[[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]] <sup>([[Special:Contributions/AlienGamer|contribs]])</sup>-- 17:00, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
-== human path ==
-in the manga, when the rasen shuriken expanded and hit the human path, were there any chakra needle affect on him? did the rasen shuriken create a big explosion like when naruto first used it? [[Special:Contributions/75.2.217.57|75.2.217.57]] ([[User talk:75.2.217.57|talk]]) 23:12, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
-wait nvm i see the explosion but were the miniscule chakra needles attacking him?
-:They're miniscule. They attack on the cellular level. They are too small to see, so, with the exception of the Rasenshuriken's debut, when we had to see them in order to understand what was happening, you will not see them. --[[User:Enoki911|Enoki911]] ([[User talk:Enoki911|talk]]) 20:30, December 27, 2009 (UTC)
-Wait, so, when the FRS hit Human Path, did it form the awesome sphere of needles as seen when it hit Kakuzu?  If not, what exactly happened as it hit Human Path?
-:yes it did form the sphere after expanding first to the size of the sphere then contracted and formed the full sphere, but instead of the poison like effect of the first version the improved version destroyed his entire body but a small part of his head, upper right [[User:Fawcettp|Fawcettp]] ([[User talk:Fawcettp|talk]]) 06:22, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
-Was Human Path actually cut in two by the RS, because it doesn't seem to show that in the show?  It seems to show him just being caught by it, and the real damage being done when the giant vortex formed.  But, if that's the case, it doesn't make sense that the RS would be able to cut through rock, but not flesh.  If its the other case, then why did the RS stop when it hit Human? Why didn't it just keep going? Furthermore, why would the vortex need to be formed if Human was already cut in two? Seems like a bit of overkill to me.
---[[Special:Contributions/138.28.136.71|138.28.136.71]] ([[User talk:138.28.136.71|talk]]) 20:38, September 1, 2010 (UTC)Adam Bulmash
-Just to continue with what I was saying, the show seems to depict something like an eddy being formed since only one side of Human is being cut (incidentally, the side that was hit by the expanding blade).  Since the blade is made of wind, this certainly is possible, and would support the fact that the RS stopped when it hit Human.  Furthermore, the idea that the Human was cut in 2 doesn't make sense since both the manga and the anime show Human still standing after he is hit.  His legs should have fallen to the ground after they were severed from the body.  I think the reason for why the RS doesn't form the vortex after it hits a rock is the same reason for why people are not cut in two when hit by RS and inanimate objects are.  Here's What I think happens: we know that wind has incredible cutting power.  We know that the RS doesn't cut all the cells in the human body instantly, since the vortex needs to form, and even then, the vortex lasts for several seconds before dispersing.  Therefore, it takes a while for RS to cut all the cells in the human body.  This is why Human path wasn't instantly cut in two: it has to cut each cell, which we have already established takes a while.  During that time the vortex forms.  A rock, on the other hand, has no cells, so all that comes into effect is wind's incredible cutting power.
---[[Special:Contributions/138.28.136.71|138.28.136.71]] ([[User talk:138.28.136.71|talk]]) 17:46, September 2, 2010 (UTC)Adam Bulmash
-==   Japanese inflatable Rasen Shuriken cosplay toy ==
-I want to be able to see this toy, and see if it actually looks like the Rasenshriken.--adngo714 18:15, June 3, 2010 (UTC)adngo714
-== Dimensional Rasenshuriken? ==
-When Naruto threw the Rasenshuriken at Human Path, it was only a 2-D flat blade, like Distructo Disk. But in the latest chapter (497), he throws it and it expands into a 3-D sphere. Am I looking at this correctly or should we change it to mention this improvement? --[[User: Zaxbeez|Zaxbeez]]
-:The shuriken just exploded like it did with Kakuzu.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 16:50, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
-::But did it happen with the Human Path? Chapter 432, Pages 6-7, it shredded Human Path but didn't get Animal Path, who was directly above it. -- [[User: Zaxbeez|Zaxbeez]]
-:::The shuriken expanded and later exploded when the animal path was further away.--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 17:06, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Yes, an [http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/432/09/ explosion], not an [http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/10-11/ expansion]; the two are completely different.
-::::There was no massive hole when he hit the Human Path though. There was when he hit Kakuzu, and if it hadn't been in his mind, I'm sure there would have been a hole this time too. --[[Zaxbeez]]
-Why!?
-: Why what? [[Zaxbeez]]
-I guess why two different uses. If anything the variant he used on Nine-Tails would have probably taken out all of the Pain. Unless perhaps it has to impact to work? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 02:51, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
-hey Douch bags why did you change the thrown rasenshuriken back to the manga version ? {{unsigned|Petar93}}
-:Because the image has a bad angle, it's not like the one from the manga, which better showcases the sideway view of the "blades" of the shuriken. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:58, June 6, 2010 (UTC)
-== Sage Art: Rasen-Shuriken ==
-It is my belief that the whole reason Wind Element: Rasen-Shuriken is capable of being thrown is in fact Sage mode. In the original version, in normal form, the chakra used to maintain the containment would dissipate after leaving Naruto's hand, thus releasing the self sustaining chakra inside of the sphere, including the wind element chakra that is used in Rasen-Shuriken. However in Sage Mode, using Nature energy to enhance the power in the Rasengan, and by extension the Rasen-Shuriken, nature energy is present. Using nature manipulation causes the Nature energy to take on the responsibility of containment, thus producing the whistling and the shuriken look. So as nature energy is found everywhere, not just inside of Naruto while in Sage Mode, it would make sense that the sustaining chakra is present wherever he is throwing the rasen-shuriken. As such I call it Sage Art: Rasen-Shuriken, because I don't believe that without sage mode that particular Rasen-Shuriken is possible.
-What you believe and what is written are two very different things. If the manga states it's called 'Wind Element: Rasen-Shuriken', then it is called 'Wind Element: Rasen-Shuriken'. [[User:Gojinn|Gojinn]] ([[User talk:Gojinn|talk]]) 04:23, June 7, 2010 (UTC)
-== New image ==
-Every previous attempt to download pictures to this site has been a failure, so could someone else please add a picture of Naruto hitting the Fox with this? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 05:24, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
-:We do not need a manga image of the giant fox getting hit with a giant wind sphere. We already have images of the effects of wing sphere, we don't need another.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 11:34, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
-=== [[:Image:Senjutsu Fūton Rasenshuriken.png]]===
-Why do people feel the need to replace this image with images that show the same as the rest of the images on the page? I feel this image has more details, being as it is not glowing and obscuring details... - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 14:00, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-:New one any better?..[[w:c:darkerthanblack:User:AlienGamer|World Cup '10 EEENNNNNGGLLLLAAAANNNNDDDD]] <sup>([[User:AlienGamer|AlienGamer]] &#8285; [[User talk:AlienGamer|Talk]])</sup> 14:11, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-:Yup. :) - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 14:17, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-== Direct hit ==
-When the central sphere [[http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/10-11/connects]] with his target, it works in a manner similiar to when he was fighting Kakazu.
-When he is unable to make a direct hit though, he is able to expand it after it has been thrown, compensating for imprecise aim or fleeing opponents by widening the area of effect. The senjutsu chakra also allows Naruto to increase the Rasenshuriken's destructive power, as the technique that left Kakuzu's body reasonably intact has improved to the point of tearing Pain's Human Path to pieces.[[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 17:55, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-:The sphere also expanded even when it didn't hit anything. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 23:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-::It grew larger, not expand and hit the Pains with the Cell targeting blades. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:08, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-:::Grow and expand are the same thing, the sphere's radius increased and damaged what it hit. Now why it didn't increase as much as it did when it hit Kakuzu is beyond me. Either the one which hit Kakuzu grew larger because it was more unstable than the senjutsu version, or the Paths of Pain jumped and were thrown further than it appeared. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:46, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-There was a significant difference in radius (by a multiple of 10?), and the only difference between when used against Pain and when used against the Fox is that when it hit Animal Path it was on the edge. Granted it also cut up those rocks when it hit missed the Deva Path but I will put that down to some flaw in the technique (only works when it actually hits something with chakra/cells/etc, or else it could have been used like a rocket launcher in a video game where you hit them with the blast of a miss rather than a direct shot). With the Fox though the sphere had to impact. Moreover, if you look [[http://www.onemanga.com/naruto/497/10-11/ closely]] you will see that the Fox is in the centre of the sphere. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 03:56, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
-Why do you think the blades target cells? They're never said that they seek the cells to strike them, just that they have that effect when they hit cells. No such "it only affects things with chakra". You can see both when Naruto first practiced with it and when he used it against Kakuzu that there was significant damage to the area, it all depends on the part which hits the terrain. If it hits if the blade, it just plain cuts, if it hits with the expansion of the sphere, it makes a crater. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:58, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-Okay, fair enough. But does that mean, not indending to put words in your mouth, you agree that it only expands crater style when his target impacts the central sphere? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 01:05, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-Not necessarily. The technique cuts (blade) and "grinds" (sphere, using grind to differentiate what each part does) everything it can. Every time we saw grinding damage, it made craters. Not sure if it was shown against Pain due to dust or if people were lazy to animate it. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:09, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-Why change things? The only real difference between when Naruto used it (used, not at results yet) was how it hit his targets. Thus the difference in results must be in the impact. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 03:51, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-When Naruto used it against Kakuzu, the blades and Kakuzu's body were in parallel, when it hit the Human Realm, the blades were perpendicular to his body, and then he was hit by the sphere. I watched the episode again, and noticed that there where two expansions. First there was an expansion that happened like the blade, as if the entire technique had been scaled up. The sphere looked like it was about three times the size of [[Great Ball Rasengan]]. Then there was a second expansion, which made the greater sphere, similar to the one made when Naruto hit Kakuzu. By the distance which Naruto seemed to be when he jumped, he was further away from where the Paths of Pain were than he was from Kakuzu. It would mean that the spheres were approximately the same size, just seen from different distances, which accounts the apparent difference in size. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:05, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
-:I am sorry, but could you clarify what you are getting at? That the sizes were the same and that changed the effect? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-Yes, sizes are the same, effect is different because of the increase in the technique's stability after the employment of sage chakra. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:35, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-:I am sorry, but I do not see how that could be. Where could that difference have come from? The only difference I saw was how it impacted. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:48, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-::The only difference in how it hits is the one I mentioned, Kakuzu was hit with the sphere, and the blade parallel to his body (vertically, so to speak), and the Human Path was with hit first with blade when it expanded horizontally, and then by the expanding sphere. In the end, both were hit by the sphere. You're not considering that Naruto uses that jutsu in Sage Mode, with sage chakra. Naruto is able to throw the technique because he used sage chakra to stabilize it. Before, the technique had to be used quickly, or else it would disperse. When it connected pre-Sage Mode, it would expand much faster, because as it was less stable. Post-Sage Mode, the technique is much more stable, evidenced by the fact it can be thrown, something Naruto couldn't do before. In the end, it did the same as it did with Kakuzu, it just took longer because it was thrown, because it expanded, and the damage was worse because Sage chakra is stronger than regular chakra. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:10, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-:::And against the Fox? Now I see the problem. You think I am doing a Kakazu vs. Pain use, but I am looking at Pain vs. Fox use. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 01:15, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Still applies, the Fox is big and it couldn't dodge the attack, the sphere hit it and became bigger. The sphere always expands and becames the big stuff that you're talking about. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:31, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-Okay, new tract. I do not think that the Animal Pain was consumed by the sphere, only the blade; for the top of his head was the only thing left for his upper torso (at an angle at that). That would not make sense if he was consumed by the sphere (should be a lot more left), but it does if he was getting cut up by it. Why was the Fox not cut up then? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 01:34, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-Him being consumed by the blade only makes sense if you say it was his upper body. The blade cut him in half, and then kept on slicing him as his upper body fell on top of the blade, kinda like those industrial machines that slice cheese and ham, which makes sense, considering the angle of what was left of the head. Maybe the blade does this sort of slicing because it only acts in one bidimensional plane, unlike the sphere which has a volume, acting in a tridimensional space, which then would account for the cutting of the chakra circulatory system. About the Fox, maybe it is too strong to sustain such heavy damage, or it heals very fast and Kishimoto didn't want to use a panel to show the healing. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 02:02, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-Due to the lack of visible damage on the Fox as it was I doubt that would be a problem. Moreover, we do not know if the healing abilities apply to the beasts outside of humans. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 02:18, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
-==Noise==
-I think it should be mentioned somewhere about the unique noise this jutsu makes. - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 18:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-It already says it gives off a loud bell-like screech. --[[User:Bathman|Bathman]] ([[User talk:Bathman|talk]]) 18:42, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-:Oh... indeed it does... but it also makes the screech after thrown. - [[User talk:Simant|S<small>im</small>A<small>nt</small>]] 18:49, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-::I guess it could be added that the screech lasts even when its thrown --[[User:Bathman|Bathman]] ([[User talk:Bathman|talk]]) 18:59, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
-== GIF image of RasenShuriken ==
-I think you should add a GIF clip of the Rasnshuriken being realsed and thrown.  It would be cool.[[Special:Contributions/165.24.252.140|165.24.252.140]] ([[User talk:165.24.252.140|talk]]) 16:08, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
-== Can we Use this GIF image in the wind release: Rasenshuriken article ==
-Can we use this GIF image of naruto making the rasenshuriken it would make the article cooler and more intresting.
-here's the file: [http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww199/Anime-sands/rasen-shuriken.gif]
-[[User:OneMetropolis|OneMetropolis]] ([[User talk:OneMetropolis|talk]]) 21:37, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
-:The image is of terrible quality, it has subtitles in it, and having a continuously looping GIF is extremely annoying and distracting.
-:I'd vote for no. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 22:11, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
-::I say no for completely petty and selfish reasons: Gifs tend to piss me off.
-::Now I think they work at the Bleach Wiki. Those are fine...
-::But still no.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 22:42, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
-:::well it's not supose to be real clear it's just to give you an ideal of how it's used by the character. [[Special:Contributions/98.176.202.51|98.176.202.51]] ([[User talk:98.176.202.51|talk]]) 01:04, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Well-written text and a still image do that job without annoying the hell out of people. --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 07:36, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::^_^ We don't even need to come up with excuses to reject any .gif related idea, [[Image policy#Image quality]]... ~<span style="font-weight: bold;" title="Dantman does not work for Wikia">NOTASTAFF</span> [[User:Dantman|Daniel Friesen]]<small> (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire)</small> <sup>([[User talk:Dantman|talk]])</sup> <small>Jun 18, 2010 <sub>@</sub> 00:12 <sup>(UTC)</sup></small>
-But I will anyway. And what? What? /triestoactthugandfails. /crysintowarcraftpillow --[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 00:26, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-== punching the vortex???!!! ==
-maybe I'm wrong but did just naruto punch the vortex away?
-how is that possible???
---[[Special:Contributions/94.183.84.226|94.183.84.226]] ([[User talk:94.183.84.226|talk]]) 20:35, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
-What vortex?[[User:Questionaredude|Questionaredude]] ([[User talk:Questionaredude|talk]]) 00:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-baw...the vortex that is created after RS hits an opponent and the wind blades cut the cells...
-but naruto actually punched(or pushed)it can someone explain? --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.153.203|94.183.153.203]] ([[User talk:94.183.153.203|talk]]) 19:46, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
-can anyone explain this or not? --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.159.40|94.183.159.40]] ([[User talk:94.183.159.40|talk]]) 07:46, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
-== Ranged version and Melee version  ==
-Does this make more sense? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:03, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:How are those two forms any different? --[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]])</sup> 00:10, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::The melee version is the one he uses both times against the Fox. It expands like a rasegan but holds its shape. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:25, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:::He threw the Rasenshuriken at the Nine-Tails. It just did, what it apparently does when it makes direct contact.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 00:27, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Ranged version also made the vortex against Human Path. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 00:29, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::Not like that, and when he threw it (get to Ultimate in a sec) before that never happened. This time it was different, explain what the difference was otherwise. [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:35, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::@TheUltimate3, I agree for the first time it was used against the Fox, but the second? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 00:35, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:Second time he basically used it, as it originally was. Just jammed it at his target. Doesn't mean there are two different versions of it.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 00:38, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::Hmm...point, and it would not hurt him since it was in his...mind, thingy. Okay, but what about a) punching it, and b) what made the first act so different? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 01:04, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:::A) when did he punch it? B) What made the first time he used it so different was that it hurt him. Beyond that it worked exactly the same as it did against Kakuzu when he jammed it at the fox, albeit with a lot more power.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 01:14, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::::A) as part of his finishing move against the Fox, or shoved it, something like that. B) Why not do that against Pain? Potential answer: the situation was different. Question: how was the situation different? [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 02:45, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-Because jamming it at his opponent has the added bonus of sending wind chakra into his arm causing him be unable to mold chakra. That's why, until Sage Mode, the jutsu was considered incomplete and a kinjutsu. Not being thrown, it's a double edged sword. Using it as it first was against Pain would have been a very very BAD move. Using it against the Nine-Tails within his mind however it was not.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 10:02, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-Its inside his mind, he can't hurt himself if this is his will and mind using the chakra against the fox.
-:Hmm...I'll buy that. But how did he know it would work like that? Practice despite it being forbidden. And none of that "he just imagined it stuff," the resluts have thus far been based on "reality." [[User:Thomas Finlayson|Thomas Finlayson]] ([[User talk:Thomas Finlayson|talk]]) 23:28, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::...He made it. He would have to know what it can do.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 23:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-== New Rasenshuriken ==
-In the new chapter Naruto used a completely new Version of Rasenshuriken that it was amazingly stronger than his other versions .--[[User:Chris20|Chris20]] ([[User talk:Chris20|talk]]) 16:41, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:You base that on? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:50, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::Are this [http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/10-11/] same with this http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/10/ also look what Kyubi said--[[User:Chris20|Chris20]] ([[User talk:Chris20|talk]]) 16:54, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:::I see no difference. The fox seemed to be referring to Naruto in general, not the Rasenshuriken specifically. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 17:31, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
-== Hands ==
-Go at it. SSM, I think you're giving the anime too much credit. There were clearly clones helping him, so what if they weren't so close to him, they were still there. Nothing was ever conclusively decided on Naruto being able to use the regular Rasengan without clones (without the Demon Fox cloak) and you want to say he can do Rasenshuriken by himself? That's laughable. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:05, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
-: Except that Naruto can create a Rasengan without clones even in Base Mode now. Look at Volume 29, Chapter 258, Page 04 (Volume page 91), and he was creating a Rasengan on his own while in Jirobu's trap, he just lost the chakra before he was able to complete it. And I mean in ''Sage Mode'' he's able to complete the Rasenshuriken on his own due to greater chakra control and power. Hell during 497 and 499, Naruto even created the Rasenshuriken without clones, same thing in 432 page 01-02 and 434. He can't do the Rasenshuriken in Base without clones, but in Sage Mode he can. That's what I'm saying from what we've seen.--[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 22:16, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::[http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/497/09/ 497: clone.] [http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/499/10/ 499: smokescreen and surrounded by clones.] '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 22:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
-== In [[Sage Mode]], Naruto doesn't need Clones to create the Rasenshuriken ==
-In both the Anime and the Manga, we've seen him in Sage Mode create the Rasenshuriken with ''and''without clones. In the most recent chapters, Naruto was able to create the Rasenshuriken on his own even though he had Clone aid. And then in the anime we had this solidified when he used two hands to create the Rasenshuriken in the final part of Naruto vs Pain. The fact is he can do it both ways in Sage Mode, while it's required in his base mode to need clones. --[[User:SuperSaiyaMan|SuperSaiyaMan]] ([[User talk:SuperSaiyaMan|talk]]) 22:09, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
-:This is at least the third ([[Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 2#Single handed rasengan|first]], [[Talk:Naruto Uzumaki/Archive 5#Rasengan|second]]) time you have brought this up, and for the third time: Naruto forming a Rasen by himself would receive special attention. As it is, Kishimoto is saving time by not dedicating several panels to the clones' creation and then the Rasen's formation. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 22:21, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
-::It's true I haven't seen one occasion when he was aided by shadow clones. It's become his signature style to use clones to aid him I doubt that will change--[[User:Cerez365|Cerez365]] ([[User talk:Cerez365|talk]]) 22:27, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
-== the vortex being pushed ==
-in chapter 499 page 11 naruto... i don't know punched or pushed or thrust whatever you call it, somehow pushed the vortex on the kyuubi can someone explain this to me or at least mention this in the page?thanks --[[Special:Contributions/94.183.86.0|94.183.86.0]] ([[User talk:94.183.86.0|talk]]) 18:48, August 21, 2010 (UTC)
-Maybe because his skin in sage mode is much tougher he was resistant to his mini wind blades and could somehow push it into the nine-tails, possibly using sage chakra in his hand.[[User:Kamakazi janabi|Kamakazi janabi]] ([[User talk:Kamakazi janabi|talk]]) 01:47, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
-== Word changing ==
-Why isn't it Rasen-Shuriken?? And for that matter, why are we doing this to all the Rasen pages? [[User:Fangzntalonz|Fangzntalonz]] ([[User talk:Fangzntalonz|talk]]) 02:28, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-:For the same reason we don't use ''Kage Bunshin'', ''Shunshin'', or ''Kawarimi'', but ''Shadow Clone'', ''Body Flicker'', and ''Body Replacement''. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 02:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::Which is? [[User:Fangzntalonz|Fangzntalonz]] ([[User talk:Fangzntalonz|talk]]) 02:44, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-:::Rasengan and Chidori was always a special case, one that was supposed to be discussed a long time ago. Instead of forcing a change which I know will cause wars this will be discussed properly.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 03:17, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::::I was under the impression that this was already discussed thoroughly... Didn't we reach consensus a long time ago that only Rasengan and Chidori should be kept in Japanese? I see no reason to keep Rasenshuriken and Rasenrengan in Japanese. Both are easily recognisable in English and neither has a translation that is awkwardly long or difficult. —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 13:07, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-:::::It could be because the chidori and Rasengan are iconic names, meaning that even though it's only '''RASEN''' we should still keep it. I mean even we also named it, '''Chidori Current''' and '''Chidori Sharp Spear''', or '''Great Ball Rasengan''' Perhaps  it is also because the name have a better ring to it than Spiraling Shuriken. Might i ask how Viz Manga translated it. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 14:14, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
-The discussion never really happened. It really just made ended with "Rasengan and Chidori stay how they are" but didn't reach the massive variations the two jutsu made. That being said, I'm spent from an hour 1/2 pointless class so I will respond more thoroughly in a few hours.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 14:59, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-:Ok I decided to not suck. Yes, some of them can be translated delicately as you pointed out. But I am on the side of the fence where because the jutsu has is a variation of the Rasengan, and shares part of it's name it flows better consistently with the parent. Rasengen going into Rasenshuriken for example flows better than Rasengan going into Spiraling Shuriken.--[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]] ([[User talk:TheUltimate3|talk]]) 15:06, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::That... could pose difficulties...
-::So it's going to be Rasenrengan, Rasenshuriken, and Rasentarengan? How about Rasen Chōtarengan? Should we translate the Ōdama and Chōōdama? Will it be Senpō: Chōōdama Rasentarengan or Sage Art: Super Great Ball Rasentarengan? Are we really going to translate selective parts of a given name? —[[User:ShounenSuki|ShounenSuki]] <sup>([[User_talk:ShounenSuki|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ShounenSuki|contribs]] | [[User:ShounenSuki#Translations|translations]])</sup> 15:14, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-:::"''Are we really going to translate selective parts of a given name?''" - that seems to be the buz with techniques derived from the Rasengan and Chidori. BTW sorry for quoting you. --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 15:35, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
-:[http://amars-world.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/istock_can-of-worms.jpg He ma, look!] Yum. '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:30, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::Did someone hack Snappers profile? --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 16:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
-:::Are you not familiar with the phrase "can of worms"? '''''~[[User:Snapper2|Snapper]][[User talk:Snapper2|T]][[Special:Contributions/Snapper2|o]]''''' 16:45, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::::Nope i am not and sorry that i went off-tophic! --[[User:Gojita|Gojita]] ([[User talk:Gojita|talk]]) 17:34, September 8, 2010 (UTC)Gojita
-== RasenShuriken in Lost Tower? ==
-I heard that Rasen Shuriken is gonna be in the 4th Shippuuden movie and that there is a trailer on Youtube confirming this. I'm having difficulty finding it. If someone saw this trailer, can you please confirm this or just post a link. I'm curious to see if they will ignore all manga canon like they did in the 3rd Shippuuden movie. I'm just REALLY curious!! Thanks[[Special:Contributions/41.17.216.229|41.17.216.229]] ([[User talk:41.17.216.229|talk]]) 09:47, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
-:I've seen the video, it's not Rasenshuriken. There are some videos with really quick views of it, and it looks like it, but there was this video (I think it's been deleted already), which showed the entire scene. It's just another Rasengan variation. Naruto and Minato both make a Rasengan, and then they put them near each other, and the spinning of one accelerates the spinning of the other, making a bigger Rasengan that gives off an aura. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:18, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWqBtIlPJc at 1:05
-:Well that's a new video. This means he uses both Rasenshuriken and a new Rasengan variation. The new variation is what he uses to kill the bad guy in the end though, he kinda becomes this giant puppet. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 21:56, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
-check the date its not new {{unsigned|76.195.159.156}}
-It's new to be, I've never seen it before. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 22:16, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
-== Name of the Jutsu ==
-In Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm, the thrown Rasen Shuriken has a different name than the regular Wind Style: Rasen Shuriken. In the game (as seen when buying the Ultimate Justu video) it's called True Wind Style: Rasen Shuriken. I know it sounds weird and is probably pointless, but should this be taken into consideration?[[User:Sparxs77|Sparxs77]] ([[User talk:Sparxs77|talk]]) 21:53, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-:Its a video game, the manga and anime both call it Rasenshuriken--[[User:Deva 27|Deva 27]] ([[User talk:Deva 27|talk]]) 22:00, October 21, 2010 (UTC)
-== Inflatable Rasenshuriken ==
-Why is there a triva mention for a inflatable Rasenshuriken cosplay toy. Its irrevalent information
-:Forgot to sign last post [[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 05:35, April 21, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
-::Bump [[User:Narutofox94|Narutofox94]] ([[User talk:Narutofox94|talk]]) 22:19, April 21, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
-:::Im deleting it since no one seems to care [[Special:Contributions/74.207.179.180|74.207.179.180]] ([[User talk:74.207.179.180|talk]]) 05:20, April 22, 2011 (UTC)Narutofox94
-== naruto's eyes ==
-why do naruto's eyes have the nine tails' look but still remain blue when he uses the rasenshuriken? {{unsigned|75.38.163.212}}
-:Because whoever coloured that (either Kishimoto in a colour page, or in this case, the anime team) chose to do it this way. Plot wise, maybe Naruto is drawing just a bit of the Nine-Tails chakra, enough to change their shape, but not their colour. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 04:17, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
-== above s-rank ==
-kakashi said it was above s-rank so shouldn't someone write in rank above s-rank. or something similar. {{unsigned|Rildey}}
-:Kakashi says it could possibly be above S-rank. The third Databook officially gives it a S-rank.--'''''[[User talk:Deva 27|Deva]] [[Special:Contributions/Deva 27|27]]''''' 03:58, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
-== Small Addition ==
-Deva27 Yes I realise the attack has been stated to be powerful before. I thought that you know, commentary from one of the most powerful ninja to exist in the series holds some weight but whatever. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:34, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
-:Naruto smashed into a giant demon and used it as the final push to drag out it's chakra. It's powerful. We all know it. If Madara had just looked at it and flicked it away without resorting to Rinnegan then that would have been worth mentioning.--'''[[User:TheUltimate3|TheUltimate3]]'''[[User Talk:TheUltimate3| ~Keeper of Lore~ ]] 16:36, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
-Fair enough. :P [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:38, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
-== Chidori Senbon ==
-This is so powerful because it uses shape and nature transformation right? Then why doesn't Chidori Senbon do that?--[[Special:Contributions/76.92.243.71|76.92.243.71]] ([[User talk:76.92.243.71|talk]]) 00:31, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
-Because lightning is a different nature from wind, and this technique trumps it in that the shape transformation from Rasengan is much more complex than that off Chidori Senbon, and because combining this complex shape transformation with nature transformation is much harder than Chidori Senbon's. All of Sasuke's Chidori techniques, except for Kirin are A-ranked, while this is S-ranked, showing how difficult to learn/perform it is. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 01:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
-== Shurikenjutsu ==
-Is there any particular reason why this isn't categorized as shurikenjutsu while [[Mini-Rasenshuriken]] is? o3o [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 09:27, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
-:It only <u>looks</u> like a shuriken. Neither of them should be labelled as such.— [[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 11:55, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
-Had me wondering, which is why I the Mini version was listed as such. :P [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 16:46, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
-== Rasenshuriken would have hit Naruto ==
-In naruto shippuden episode 164, you see Naruto throw two Rasenshuriken: one is himself transformed into a Rasenshuriken, the other is an actual Rasenshuriken. The Rasenshuriken transformation is absorbed, making Naruto appear. He tackles the Pain that absorbed the technique and then the other Rasenshuriken attacks Deva Path, who repels it. However, Naruto was only a meter away from Deva Path, so if Rasenshuriken had hit, he would have also been torn to pieces or caught in the blast. And it coulnd´t have been a Shadow Clone, because they are made out of chakra and would have been absorbed by the other Pain. Was this something Kishi overlooked or just a bad tactic?[[Special:Contributions/83.163.73.93|83.163.73.93]] ([[User talk:83.163.73.93|talk]]) 18:26, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
-:Considering that it slices through objects and continues flying when thrown, I'm pretty sure it would have just sliced through the Deva Path and continued on until it detonated. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 18:32, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
-::Or Naruto would have broken out of the transformation, stopped, then flee like hell when it hit? Orr he knew that he'd repel it? It's no use to wonder about stuff like that.--[[User talk:Cerez365|Cerez<sub>365</sub>™]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]] 20:52, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
-== Three techniques in one article ==
-I guess nobody is really bothered that the article combines three techniques:
-# Kinjutsu — Wind Release — Rasenshuriken
-# Sage Mode — Wind Release — Rasenshuriken
-# Nine-Tails Chakra Mode — Wind Release — Rasenshuriken
-into one article. But could it at least be done in a way that makes sense! The technique is currently classified as kinjutsu...which is only true for the initial version. It uses a "Overview, Improvement, Drawbacks" scheme that causes the 3 version to be split across 3 sections. <s>(Not to mention that it could be argued that the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode version fits better within the [[Mini-Rasenshuriken]] article.)</s>
-So, wouldn't it be better to create the following sections:
-# Overview
-# Rasenshuriken (Kinjutsu)
-# Rasenshuriken (Sage Mode)
-# Rasenshuriken (Nine-Tails Chakra Mode)
-that would allow contributors to assign the correct information to the correct technique?--[[User:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis]] ([[User talk:Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis|talk]]) 13:07, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
-No. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 13:11, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
-== Rasenshuriken + Kurama yang chakra ==
-In the manga chapter 559, the explosion of rasenshuriken of  Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, transforms Zetsu in trees
-http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/559/12 {{Unsigned|95.61.38.205}}
-:No it doesn't. That tree simply got blasted away. Even in his Chakra Mode, Rasenshuriken doesn't contain Yang chakra. Ninja can transform their chakra's nature to what the see fit and Rasenshuriken is just Wind Release. [[User:Skitts|Skitts]] ([[User talk:Skitts|talk]]) 14:06, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
-== Tailed Beast Mode ==
-Should it be mentioned he can use it in Tailed Beast Mode as well as Nine-Tails Chakra Mode? [[User:Kaitan|Kaitan]] ([[User talk:Kaitan|talk]]) 05:38, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-:Not really. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 06:04, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-::Is there a reason he wouldn't be able to? --[[User:Cerez365|Cerez<small>365</small><sup>™</sup>]][[File:Hyūga Symbol.svg|20px]][[User talk:Cerez365|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 06:07, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-:::Didn't say so, but nnnope. --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 06:12, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-I don't get the question--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:37, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-:Which question? --[[User_talk:X29|X29]] 09:52, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-Of Kaitan, why should something obvious be noted? Unless he/she think Naruto shouldn't be able to or something--[[User:Elveonora|Elveonora]] ([[User talk:Elveonora|talk]]) 09:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
-==Immunity While in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode==
-In episode 298 Naruto uses the Rasenshuriken against nagato's dog summon while in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode, but he doesn't throw it, he does it old style (with a thrust). Shouldn't it be mentioned that while in Nine-Tails Chakra Mode he appears to be immune to the adverse effects of the technique?  -[[User:Azza4710|Azza4710]] ([[User talk:Azza4710|talk]]) 14:27, January 31, 2013 (UTC)
-:I think so, because the same thing happened also in chapter 641--[[User:JK88|JK88]] ([[User talk:JK88|talk]]) 16:27, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
-::Since they don't actually say that, I think careful wording is necessary. [[User:Omnibender|Omnibender]] - [[User talk:Omnibender|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Omnibender|Contributions]] 16:42, August 5, 2013 (UTC)
-== Fūton: Cho Odama Rasenshuiken ==
-more bigger and more destructive power at Eps 305 [[Special:Contributions/203.201.173.210|203.201.173.210]] ([[User talk:203.201.173.210|talk]]) 10:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
-: Evidently, that was not a Rasnenshuriken, but a [[Wind Release: Ultra-Big Ball Rasengan]].--[[User:TheUltimate3|'''TheUltimate3''']] [[File:Allied Shinobi Forces Symbol.svg|20px]][[User Talk:TheUltimate3| <sup>(talk)</sup>]] 11:15, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
-I think it's some thing like Massive Rasenshuriken, just because the shuriken shape in the middle, but seems like I've wrong he3x [[Special:Contributions/203.201.173.210|203.201.173.210]] ([[User talk:203.201.173.210|talk]]) 14:11, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
-== Catching the Rasenshuriken ==
-Couldn't that be mentioned as well? I didn't think he could do that. Although, I am not sure if this would automatically be exclusive to Nine Tails Chakara mode, but it should be mentioned around it. [[Special:Contributions/65.188.41.37|65.188.41.37]] ([[User talk:65.188.41.37|talk]]) 00:35, April 9, 2013 (UTC)